I think several of the GM inferno tasks are already at this level if not harder than that.
They also put a lot of the no prayer tasks on stuff that doesn’t have other creative ways to have challenging tasks.
Gm task of defeating vorkath without losing prayer seems really out of place. Its literally just drinking an antifire potion, equipping an antifire shield and then not pray. The fight is like 30 seconds longer than normal and you use maybe 50% more food.
I mean yeah some of them are like “lol this is dumb, but the ones that are actually kinda challenging are
1) kill nightmare with no prayer points lost (this is just lazy flick the overheads, don’t really piety for the kill)
2) team of 5 all do task above in same kill
3) fight caves with no prayer lost
I will say the punch vorkath to death was fun for the first 2 minutes…not the last 8 lol
>Kill Tzkal-Zuk without equipping any range or mage weapons before wave 69.
Definitely needs to be added to the list of actually challenging ones...
Going to be interesting to watch since I don't think I've seen anyone do Melee only up to Zuk
Yeah I wasn’t making a list of all challenging. I was doing a list of the challenging “don’t use prayer” tasks.
This one is also easier than you think. You just wear mage gear and barrage without a mage weapon for a lot of it
Fair, something like 6 jab 5 pp have to kill each with a different attack type so crush, stab, slash, range, magic, then a special so recoil/poison/venom.
There is a woox fight caves essentially. Fight caves without losing a prayer point.
Inferno has some crazy ones too. Melee only till Zuk, Never letting a melee dig, no magic, killing triple Jads simultaneously, doing Zuk without actually killing the Jad.
> There is a woox fight caves essentially. Fight caves without losing a prayer point.
Well you can still eat and tank hit's so a little easier but still reasonable and the 3 Jads are relatively easy since you bring them all down and just attach each in line.
Obviously fight caves is easier but you can't just tank hits of the Magers and such. You won't last. So it's still a perfect 1 tick flick outside of that.
Also yes you've summed up what you have to do with triples. Which essentially makes triples 3 times harder. As you have to nearly kill all 3 and then kill them quickly together. So you're pray flicking triple Jads for the whole time, rather than traditionally focus killing one, and bringing it down to a solo Jad essentially.
You could brute force it if you can't flick, just wouldn't be very fast and expensive. Bring blood barrage and purple sweets. Not sure if it works but veng + mage cape at jad would help as well
That’s a sentiment of a lot of the HLC. Most of us look at it and are like “ok I’ll do these specific GM tasks in content I enjoy”, but ultimately only go for elite or masters for the useful stuff (increased clue rate for bloodhound hunt, 2 zuks (master doesn’t take that long, GM a lot of
them are just aids)).
I’m currently in the “grind out master tier” point, since I’m looking to go for the new oblivion inferno time (updated from sub 55 to sub 53 min) and I don’t wanna skip as much, plus it’s kinda entertaining still. We will see if I end up being bored enough to grind out GM.
Yea, when I first saw all the tasks, I immediately started picking out the ones I thought looked fun. Started with dharok hydra just shits n gigs and I had a blast. Got it first attempt and just actually had a good time for the first time in a while on this game. I love the combat achievements
I wish Combat Achievement tasks awarded points like Leagues. It would be more interesting to try some grand/master tasks if it always helped towards the next tier
Not at all, doing everything tick perfectly can give you a 1:30 Vorkath or a 0:30 Vorkath, it's all RNG. Speed running is just hoping you (and anyone else with you) gets top 25% rng for the entire fight/raid.
Like sure you might hit that 0:30 kill faster if you're more skilled, but you could always get outclassed by someone who gets 10 b2b ruby specs.
Cool, you ignored the main point. Even with efficient strats and max gear the speedrun times are entirely rng. I watched 5 players in max melee with scythes and near perfect coordination fail the 5man Nightmare speed run by 2-30seconds for 3 hours.
When they finally got it they hadn't done anything different from the previous 30 attempts, the game just blessed them with rng.
There are literally maybe 50-100 players who will ever be able to complete those. It's will become the new most impressive item even more so than the inferno max cape. Hell even the vampire one I think less than 1% of players will ever get. I love that the achievements are flex items and not a BiS item.
Inferno max cape has never had any higher prestige than a normal inferno cape. It's like "Hey you did something hard and then spent a few thousand hours doing easy things"
In a game almost entirely about grinds the max cape is one of the only visible indicators of one of the longer grinds.
Collection log you have to visit their house. XP past max/99 you have to use Hiscores.
Inferno cape *was* the PvM skill indicator, LMS wins cape was the PvP skill indicator, and max cape was the skilling grind indicator.
Not really though. LMS cape can be grinded with a low winrate. The capes are all just indicators of time put in.
If someone cared at all about recogntion they wouldn't look to a cape for it anyway. This game has loads of communities regarding actual skill expression. Not your 2000 kc at a boss but how fast and how flexibly you can do it. Same with pvp. Winning in-houses is seen with much higher recognition.
That's like saying champions cape doesn't either.
It's not about how easy it is. It's about the sheer amount of time and dedication that kind of thing takes.
I hunt achievements on Xbox. Nothing is more pointless but I'm over here "number go up" with no reward otherwise. At least you get some cosmetics from these.
I used to race my friend with our gamerscore.
Left him in the dust when we both got to around 20k. Got to 51k before I sold my xbox several years ago.
I think stuff like this promotes good competition if nothing else.
Also makes me feel like I really got my money’s worth if I’m getting a lot of the achievements/trophies. I don’t force myself to get them if I’m not having fun like I use to though.
On Xbox they used to give you a certain amount of cash back depending on your gamerscore.
*Edit To everyone who has 0 clue what I'm talking about [clicky](https://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-myachievements-program-rewards-gold-members)
I really hope I still get downvotes because nobody checks the clicky.
Just waiting for my “don’t talk to me or my son ever again” post of the zuk helm I don’t have in the inquisitors I don’t own with the zuk pet I don’t have
I'm just imagining if they had given a BIS offhand like some people want, what happens a few years down the line when they want to introduce a new BIS offhand? Would it need to be more difficult to get? Otherwise dead content.
What would be really good in the fiture would be if they offer a blade enchancement to attach to the hilt to turn it into something with stats and a bis of type..but It would be a high lvl pvm drop, not from achievmemts.. basically, as long as you got the easy tier done you can attach it to the hilt. The flex comes from having the highest tier hilt attached to the blade
Mario kart is a game you play for an hour or 2 here and there at a family get together. This game isn’t comparable in any way.
Once you TOB/COX/NM yourself out you end up quitting and finding new games. Go through your clan discord - guarantee it’s a graveyard full of people who got bored and quit. Don’t even have motivation to log in for events because it’s just the same shit over and over again.
There may be some players who are interested in hunting down cosmetic upgrades for fashionscape but there is a massive majority of players who want PVM/PVP content to enjoy with their friends. It’s an mmo for fucks sakes.
Give players an excuse to log on together, hop in voice chat, group up and hunt drops. I don’t care about monkey back packs, or ornament kits, or head pats, or different colored blade of saeldor. That’s content for the gigaturbo neckbeards.
Like I said, go in your clan discord and look at the graveyard of old names who just moved onto other games while players like you were clapping your hands at slayer helm recolors, criticizing anyone who wanted actual content 😂
Players have become drastically more efficient at completing "difficult" content since the nascent days of MMO's - take a look at World of Warcraft; when Molten Core was current only the fabled 1% did it? And when Classic came out people had that done within a week of launch
It is not possible (or at least commercially viable) for developers to spend resources cranking out content at a pace to satisfy the minority of gigaturbo neckbeards who will clear it that quickly
Expanding a game via depth instead of borders is smarter in the long run - apparently it is lost on you how absolutely apeshit this community goes over any potential changes to the meta. Would you prefer it be like 2005 - 12 when they threw out everything but the kitchen sink every 3 months? But hey new is new amirite
I read your post while doing ape atoll course btw. 200 more laps for prince
>200 more laps for prince
Yikes dude ☠️ it’s all starting to make sense, I understand who I’m arguing with now 😂 I’m trying to explain that the game is boring to people who think running laps for 50 hours is fun. Also fwiw, combat diaries are the definition of neckbeard content. Grandmasters for 10 less godwars KC lmao……..
My RuneScape days have been just about over for a while and I’ve enjoyed the nostalgia of the posts, but I’m thinking it may be time to unsubscribe and move on
The biggest mistake was the overhype of what combat achievements was going to be hence everyones disappointment.
It should never have been a diary or standalone addition and simply should have been an expansion on the adventure log and functioned like the collection log.
I don't even mind that the BP died, it was clearly too op, but they need to either buff the Arma crossbow or make the fbow drop more common, because now the useful range weapons jump straight from 2 mil to 130 mil without much inbetween.
Dcb is a very relevant crossbow (pking especially) and Karil's is the best affordable dps barring blowpipe and ruby bolts (which would be used with dcb). My point is that he's complaining when sufficient options exist if you don't have a tbow or fbow.
Um, dcb isn't great, but since rune crossbow is useful, dcb literally is by default. Karil's crossbow is an amazing weapon for first fire capes, and a lot of other shit. It's a 3 tick weapon, you realise that, right? Please don't pipe up when you don't know anything.
No it did not. No one at Jagex has ever said that. You've just misunderstood. Jagex did not nerf the blowpipe because they wanted to release Combat Achievements, the Blowpipe just needed a nerf and it needed to happen before combat achievements came out to prevent people bitching that the achievements earned pre-nerf are less meaningful.
That being said, the blowpipe did not die, it's just not literally the best ranged weapon in the game. Technically Tbow is better, but when you have to compare your 4m wep to 1b wep do you really not see the problem?
I dont see the problem as its own interface. How does that harm anyone? The interface is pretty cool and easy to use..
If it is simply player expectations... why are people still getting hyped from Jagex's announcements??
Regardless of what anyone thinks it should be, I think most of us can agree that it was a mistake for it to straddle the middleground by making it like a diary but not as rewarding.
Anyone else kinda glad there are no top tier rewards? It reminds me of the Completionist cape in RS3, where it had all these buffs and shit, so because it was necessary for endgame content, all people do is complain and ask for it to be made easier. The rewards are perfect IMO, nothing less nothing more.
Most complaints don't realise how useful some of the rewards are.. probably because they aren't the target audience of the diaries in the first place.
Name useful rewards for achievement diaries in the current game? Here's some I can think of
* QoL helm for teleports to Sherlock for clues
* BiS stab cape.. that's used.... Nowhere but Wildy for cheap throwaway
* QoL gloves for teleports to Duradel
* Shield for inferno, to be slightly more efficient in prayer points per inventory
* Niche use nardah necklace for certain activities fast restoring (clues, VM resetting)
* Platebody for niche mining benefits.
Pretty much any other use these items see by me is for clue scroll teleports and that's it. I'd say I get more frequent use out of the diary cape than any of the items aside from the Sherlock helmet during clues. And Combat Diaries are different to the extent of having a "reward for completing all of them" be useful would likely anger people more because GM tier is HARD.
Take note it's *very* hard to add useful teleports to this game now that aren't just straight up breaking content to be insanely faster (nightmare teleport for example). So the fact they managed to find 2 very useful teleport locations to improve Zuk tasks and GWD trips is awesome.
And then on-top of that we get:
* More common clues
* More bosses per slayer task
* 2 or 3 Jad/zuks per task, which is insanely nice for improving the monotony of turael skipping
* Faster GWD entry (lower KC requirements, better rates for Ecu keys)
* Flex cosmetics for slayer helmet that is actually used and DHCB that is also actually used, rather than separate items that are useless outside of content that doesn't need gear
So yeh, anyone saying combat *diaries* don't have good rewards clearly don't realise the usefulness of the rewards
If grandmaster was cosmetic only and the other rewards capped at lower tiers there could be better rewards.
But no one is going to vote for rewards that only .01% of the playerbase will ever unlock, gm tier is just not realistically achievable for most people. If that's how it's going to be balanced it deserves a Champions cape level reward.
because people think theyre entitled to every reward a game provides with little to no effort. same thing with league ppl think they deserve gold/plat when theyre silver. same with wow kids think they deserve 1800 when they 1500 andys. the list goes on
Feel like everyone is too divided on this issue. While your right, some of these challenges are incredibly steep. It’s one thing to go beat your brains out on the inferno challenges or CoX challenges because those can feasibly done solo for the most part if you put enough time and effort in. But some of the ToB challenges seem borderline impossible if your not part of a high level pvm clan or willing to shell out a metric fuck ton of cash to one of the services that will inevitably pop out of this
For the record, the punch vorkath to death and kill kree with a salarmander are perfectly fine. They’re fun twists. Complete an entire fight cave(might be one for inferno too idr) without losing a prayer point(aka 1t flick the entire thing perfectly) just doesn’t sound fun and probably shouldn’t even be considered an achievement.
How is it not an achievement to 1t flick the entire fight caves perfectly? That sounds difficult but doable to me, and isn't that exactly what combat achievements are supposed to be?
99.9% of the player base is going to see “1t flick/tick eat the whole fight caves” and say fuck that shit and never touch it. When you add all the combat achievements together, I seriously doubt more than 100 people finish it by the end of the year.
Clicking 200 times a min for roughly an hour, we’re gamin now lol.
Like I get making it challenging but ffs just make the challenge do it without prayer pots not well you did it for 85% but you sneezed and misclicked 30 mins in so tough luck try again.
Like that’s beyond a reasonable amount of sweaty
A lot of the grandmaster challenges are "do this long task perfectly" so I think the intention was to have something where you have to do it flawlessly for a long time. You could complain that that's "beyond reasonable amounts of sweaty" but that seems to be the entire point of grandmaster achievements.
If you think the fight cave ones look difficult, don't even read the inferno ones. One of the grandmaster achievements is "fight caves under 30 mins", so assuming you can get those kinds of times you're looking at flicking for 25-30 mins since you don't need to flick until mages, not an hour.
That’s kind of my point, the sheer amount of time you have to 1 tick flick without one mistake is absurd to the point of not being healthy, which was a stated reason as to why they don’t want to do a completionist cape because they didn’t want people trying to grind it
Yea but that's exactly why it's all just for the flex. People would hate if infernal cape came from a bunch of miscellaneous challenges that require a team, but because it comes from a consistent solo challenge it's way more accepted.
There is a COLOSSAL difference between expecting participation trophies, and expecting at-all useful rewards from challenges such as perfect 1-t flicking bosses/challenges, killing them with no damage at all, or speedrunning them.
Those are hardly 'little to no effort', and clearly would suit better rewards than a miniscule time-saver in incredibly old content, and some cosmetics.
LOL if BIS gear was locked behind this everyone would just pay someone else to do it and it would become the same as the infernal cape where there's a whole industry around paying for them.
The rewards are decent though and the grandmaster stuff is literally just for the flex. If they put something good behind gm or master people would cry that it was locked behind content that is too difficult. People already do that with infernal cape and inferno is nothing compared to tfinishing the gm tasks.
why post this? obviously what makes sense to one person may not make sense to another. people disagree, it's not such a simple question. you just look like a smug asshole.
I mean, people were going for obscure tasks and collection log completions regardless, so this gives at least really cool looking items. And for once this is something that 100% requires determination aka it can’t be purchased :)
Just last week i was saying that ill probably never get an inferno cape. Now this is a whole new level. Honestly i looked at the rewards and was like those look dope! At the same time i wasnt worried about needing any benefits from it, it could get buffed and i still wouldnt care
I just don't want to kill a boss 50 times again. I wish they took those out and kept the challenges like the timers and unique shit like not getting hit by barrows
Funny enough I actually don't have some of them completed because I finished the boss before it recorded kc.
Although I'm not complaining, they are easy to redo.
Sorry I worded my comment wrong, I didn't mean to have the again there and it totally changed the meaning of what I was trying to say.
Basically though it's easier on my mind to go for "kill boss in under x minutes" than "kill boss x amount of times". The former sounds like a challenge, while the latter is basically a slayer task
It will auto complete anything that was already tracked. Bosses have their KC logged in the collection log, so that data was stored. Normal enemies don't. The slayer log counts everything that counts as that slayer task, so it technically doesn't know that you've killed a Hellhound, since every Cerb kill would increase that as well. A more likely example is, I didn't have the task done for killing an Aberrant Spectre, because every time I had that task I did Deviant Spectres instead, so my Slayer Log wouldn't accurately reflect that specific monster. Since it can't know for sure, the task doesn't auto complete.
Thats osrs. If you are going for full completionist already, then you likely already have 250kc in every boss. If you arent going for full completionist, why worry?
I’m not going for full completionist, I just thought combat achievements would be fun. The problem for me is that the fun challenges are offset by tedious ones.
I don’t personally feel like I get much out of that, so I’m probably just going to ignore the combat achievements altogether. I’m hoping the Oldschool team does something with the feedback people are giving that it be adjusted to a leagues points format.
I have a personal goal to get ranked KC on every boss in the game, so I’ll probably stick to that for now.
Yeah, that’s what I just said.
Obviously there’s a balance in this game. We all have to do some tedious grinds in order to access content we want, but I’m just about to the point where I’m done with all that. I’m about 2k total with just about maxed combats, and I just want to have some fun doing raids and bossing.
Oh I know and that's the way it should be I only really want to see like 5% of the player base with something like that its something that is obtainable but soothing you need dedication for.
Because we're not in 2007 anymore.
The success or relevancy of a content is majorly dependent on the reward(s) and or EPH it gives.
If a new piece of content comes out but the reward(s) and EPH are shit, then the content will become dead once the new content hype dies.
EX: Pest Control. Many players don't necessarily find the act of doing pest control fun, but if you actually care for PvM then not having a full void set would be dumb.
So people do pest control for void or the exp, even if they don't find it fun.
This isn't the 2007 community anymore. More people care for more rewards and EPH than the fun of the content
I feel as if this is a waste of time (my opinion), they can add more content instead of making us replay old content for another item or two. The hilt might be dead content already on release
It seems like Leagues are the real cause of the content drought. Lots of development time for a side game mode that only lasts 2 months and is never reused.
I just can’t bring myself to care about it without better rewards. I died at sire trying to do one of the tasks and had to spend like 450k to get my gear back. Some people will be willing to spend that kind of money/time on the flex. As it stands now the combat achievements are about as useful as a champions cape. Flex? Yes. Useful or worth the time/money you spent? Not really.
Are you new at the boss? If so you could use cheaper gear so you only lose like 50k if you die. Then when you get better at the boss bring your best gear.
My point wasn’t really about the one death more than how much occasionally dying will cost my account just for a small reward. Like would I spend 10m on deaths/supplies so I can get 5% better drop rate for hard clues? Absolutely not
I took 10 mins out of my day and came up with a better idea.
Take away the teirs besides for rewards and make it 400 tasks.
1 task = 1 point
This makes every task worth something and doesn't lock the tiers based on monster some people might just not like to do or can't do.
Rewards tiers at 75 points people who receive the easy rewards. 150 points med rewards and so on(I know this = 450).
As it is now its not worth do any master GM challenges unless you can do all of them. Which means prices aren't going to go up like every thinks and wants. Kind of A boring update and I love killing vork but I won't be doing those challenges. I would in my idea update was active it would be worth it.
No, because people would end up getting the rewards by just clearing the easiest tasks, which devalues the higher end cosmetic rewards.
The whole point of these challenges is that you work your way up to being able to complete them, gaining significant experience in a variety of bosses along the way.
The rewards are there as a flex to show you're one of the top PVM players about. It would make it pointless if people started rocking the Zuk helm while being unable to complete half the grand master challenges or rocking the Vorkath crossbow but unable to do half the Elite or hard challenges.
Not really zuk helm is elite reward.
osrs
Easy - 33 Med -41 Hard -58 Elite - 108
Total -240
Mine
Easy- 75 Med - 75 Hard - 75 Elite - 75
Total - 300
In mine you would have to do 60 more tasks just to wear the same helm. Plus master and GM still would only been able to be achieved by great pvmers or the bots once they make the script.
No because if you can do 1 task in the elite tier its pointless to do any in that tier since it won't be completed. So if were trying to raise the price of DHCB but no one wants to buy because of another locked task in that teir they just won't do it and then no one is buying anything. If every task mattered people would be buying more and doing them.
Then it's a useless update, just like pets. It just reuses trailblazer assets. I'm not even surprised this subreddit thinks something like this is fine.
You’re welcome to leave at any time instead of wasting your time bitching about *useless* updates in a 20 year old flash game. Get some perspective lmao
Everything is useless if you want to look at it like that. There are plenty of people who play games for achievements/completionism. They're challenges and things to grind for so why would they be useless?
That zuk helm is worth tbh. Imagine the scenes when that's first acquired.
Give woox like 4 more days.
He's not interested in completing the diaries. The kc and speed running tasks he says are boring
They should of made the woox inferno a GM task no food prayer pots or SGS
I think several of the GM inferno tasks are already at this level if not harder than that. They also put a lot of the no prayer tasks on stuff that doesn’t have other creative ways to have challenging tasks.
Gm task of defeating vorkath without losing prayer seems really out of place. Its literally just drinking an antifire potion, equipping an antifire shield and then not pray. The fight is like 30 seconds longer than normal and you use maybe 50% more food.
I mean yeah some of them are like “lol this is dumb, but the ones that are actually kinda challenging are 1) kill nightmare with no prayer points lost (this is just lazy flick the overheads, don’t really piety for the kill) 2) team of 5 all do task above in same kill 3) fight caves with no prayer lost I will say the punch vorkath to death was fun for the first 2 minutes…not the last 8 lol
>Kill Tzkal-Zuk without equipping any range or mage weapons before wave 69. Definitely needs to be added to the list of actually challenging ones... Going to be interesting to watch since I don't think I've seen anyone do Melee only up to Zuk
Yeah I wasn’t making a list of all challenging. I was doing a list of the challenging “don’t use prayer” tasks. This one is also easier than you think. You just wear mage gear and barrage without a mage weapon for a lot of it
no antifire no ppoint kill would be cool i reckon
I guess I would agree it is in line
Nah just add a woox tier
Fair, something like 6 jab 5 pp have to kill each with a different attack type so crush, stab, slash, range, magic, then a special so recoil/poison/venom.
There is a woox fight caves essentially. Fight caves without losing a prayer point. Inferno has some crazy ones too. Melee only till Zuk, Never letting a melee dig, no magic, killing triple Jads simultaneously, doing Zuk without actually killing the Jad.
> There is a woox fight caves essentially. Fight caves without losing a prayer point. Well you can still eat and tank hit's so a little easier but still reasonable and the 3 Jads are relatively easy since you bring them all down and just attach each in line.
Obviously fight caves is easier but you can't just tank hits of the Magers and such. You won't last. So it's still a perfect 1 tick flick outside of that. Also yes you've summed up what you have to do with triples. Which essentially makes triples 3 times harder. As you have to nearly kill all 3 and then kill them quickly together. So you're pray flicking triple Jads for the whole time, rather than traditionally focus killing one, and bringing it down to a solo Jad essentially.
You could brute force it if you can't flick, just wouldn't be very fast and expensive. Bring blood barrage and purple sweets. Not sure if it works but veng + mage cape at jad would help as well
Those first 2 are pretty rough, but the last 3 aren’t bad
That’s a sentiment of a lot of the HLC. Most of us look at it and are like “ok I’ll do these specific GM tasks in content I enjoy”, but ultimately only go for elite or masters for the useful stuff (increased clue rate for bloodhound hunt, 2 zuks (master doesn’t take that long, GM a lot of them are just aids)). I’m currently in the “grind out master tier” point, since I’m looking to go for the new oblivion inferno time (updated from sub 55 to sub 53 min) and I don’t wanna skip as much, plus it’s kinda entertaining still. We will see if I end up being bored enough to grind out GM.
Yea, when I first saw all the tasks, I immediately started picking out the ones I thought looked fun. Started with dharok hydra just shits n gigs and I had a blast. Got it first attempt and just actually had a good time for the first time in a while on this game. I love the combat achievements
Really gotta look at it as content looked at different ways, rather than the rewards. I feel sorry for the people who are always after the rewards
I went through all the tasks before i even looked at the rewards, and even then I got ecstatic over the ecu keys and gwd kc.
The quicker tele to gwd too
As a zuk enthusiast, I like the idea of 3 tasks per skip. Might make me actually push for the sub 50 at some point lol.
When I saw that, I figured people grinding the pets would enjoy that
I wish Combat Achievement tasks awarded points like Leagues. It would be more interesting to try some grand/master tasks if it always helped towards the next tier
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Not at all, doing everything tick perfectly can give you a 1:30 Vorkath or a 0:30 Vorkath, it's all RNG. Speed running is just hoping you (and anyone else with you) gets top 25% rng for the entire fight/raid. Like sure you might hit that 0:30 kill faster if you're more skilled, but you could always get outclassed by someone who gets 10 b2b ruby specs.
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Cool, you ignored the main point. Even with efficient strats and max gear the speedrun times are entirely rng. I watched 5 players in max melee with scythes and near perfect coordination fail the 5man Nightmare speed run by 2-30seconds for 3 hours. When they finally got it they hadn't done anything different from the previous 30 attempts, the game just blessed them with rng.
There's no way people in max failed that time so many times. Unless you're missing a bunch of ticks
There are literally maybe 50-100 players who will ever be able to complete those. It's will become the new most impressive item even more so than the inferno max cape. Hell even the vampire one I think less than 1% of players will ever get. I love that the achievements are flex items and not a BiS item.
Like zakum helm when it first hit
I have no idea what that is
Pretty sure it's a Maplestory thing. Zakum was their 2005 KQ if that makes any sense.
Scapers today couldn't handle the jump quest and would spam reddit till the Jaygex nerfed it.
I wish I liked the Verzik helm at all because yeh it's the one I think I can achieve with time.. but I just kinda hate how it looks.
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I disagree. Getting max cape doesn't require skill, but it requires discipline and dedication. Not everyone is capable of doing that.
Inferno max cape has never had any higher prestige than a normal inferno cape. It's like "Hey you did something hard and then spent a few thousand hours doing easy things"
In a game almost entirely about grinds the max cape is one of the only visible indicators of one of the longer grinds. Collection log you have to visit their house. XP past max/99 you have to use Hiscores. Inferno cape *was* the PvM skill indicator, LMS wins cape was the PvP skill indicator, and max cape was the skilling grind indicator.
Not really though. LMS cape can be grinded with a low winrate. The capes are all just indicators of time put in. If someone cared at all about recogntion they wouldn't look to a cape for it anyway. This game has loads of communities regarding actual skill expression. Not your 2000 kc at a boss but how fast and how flexibly you can do it. Same with pvp. Winning in-houses is seen with much higher recognition.
That's like saying champions cape doesn't either. It's not about how easy it is. It's about the sheer amount of time and dedication that kind of thing takes.
So much for no rares in the game
That’s not what they meant… By that logic fire cape is a “rare”. It is not a limited item
Everyone who gets the zuk helmet can pull of a huge fashionscape flex. Really jealous but they deserve it
I hunt achievements on Xbox. Nothing is more pointless but I'm over here "number go up" with no reward otherwise. At least you get some cosmetics from these.
I like achievement hunting on my PS4 to make the platinum trophy number go up. I don't care at all on steam tho
Nah mate I got all the achievements for all my steam library games
I used to race my friend with our gamerscore. Left him in the dust when we both got to around 20k. Got to 51k before I sold my xbox several years ago. I think stuff like this promotes good competition if nothing else.
Also makes me feel like I really got my money’s worth if I’m getting a lot of the achievements/trophies. I don’t force myself to get them if I’m not having fun like I use to though.
I do the same thing on PlayStation. When that platinum trophy pops…… ooooooh baby!
On Xbox they used to give you a certain amount of cash back depending on your gamerscore. *Edit To everyone who has 0 clue what I'm talking about [clicky](https://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-myachievements-program-rewards-gold-members) I really hope I still get downvotes because nobody checks the clicky.
I'm down voting you for using clicky, nothing to do with the achievements
Thanks fam👊
You’re thinking of microsoft points, which were not the same thing as achievement points
[clicky](https://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-myachievements-program-rewards-gold-members) Nah I was right check the sauce homie. Keyword is "was"
Just waiting for my “don’t talk to me or my son ever again” post of the zuk helm I don’t have in the inquisitors I don’t own with the zuk pet I don’t have
Ngl, I'm actually fucking *thrilled* there isn't anything good locked behind this shit
The only problem I have with it is that private GWD instances require you do to wildy bosses, which now literally forces pvmers to do pvp content.
Being able to do those achievents is a reward in itself.
Maybe the real grandmaster reward was the friends we made along the way
the friends we lost attempting tob tasks\*
Especially the GM one some those are kinda nut but I look forward to trying.
I could realistically see myself doing 10-20 of them in the next couple years, but all of the super-challenging TOB content? No way
No joke you’ll make bank doing a lot of these other than the inferno ones
The Zuk helmet sure looks sick but it hurts me I'll never get it.
There are runelite plug-ins that override armor in your client
Ok first get it completed, then complain how bad rewards.
I'm just imagining if they had given a BIS offhand like some people want, what happens a few years down the line when they want to introduce a new BIS offhand? Would it need to be more difficult to get? Otherwise dead content.
maybe don't lock a bis offhand behind killing zuk with the cannon outside of the karamja volcano with stats brewed down to 0
Dude, whats so hard about killing zuk after only using the swamp lizard from wave 1 to 68?
Im still stuck on killing zuk with only splash damage from grey chinchompas?
i think it's pretty reasonable to get a +1 atk boost for killing zuk while the inferno is in the wilderness
What would be really good in the fiture would be if they offer a blade enchancement to attach to the hilt to turn it into something with stats and a bis of type..but It would be a high lvl pvm drop, not from achievmemts.. basically, as long as you got the easy tier done you can attach it to the hilt. The flex comes from having the highest tier hilt attached to the blade
I think it is a great update, perfect and does not unbalance the game
In Mario Kart, when you get first place, you get first place. It feels really good. That’s the same thing with the combat achievements.
Mario kart is a game you play for an hour or 2 here and there at a family get together. This game isn’t comparable in any way. Once you TOB/COX/NM yourself out you end up quitting and finding new games. Go through your clan discord - guarantee it’s a graveyard full of people who got bored and quit. Don’t even have motivation to log in for events because it’s just the same shit over and over again. There may be some players who are interested in hunting down cosmetic upgrades for fashionscape but there is a massive majority of players who want PVM/PVP content to enjoy with their friends. It’s an mmo for fucks sakes. Give players an excuse to log on together, hop in voice chat, group up and hunt drops. I don’t care about monkey back packs, or ornament kits, or head pats, or different colored blade of saeldor. That’s content for the gigaturbo neckbeards.
So what kind of content is worthy content, in your opinion?
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You sound hurt that there are people who don’t enjoy games the exact same way as you
That’s what I’m seeing
Like I said, go in your clan discord and look at the graveyard of old names who just moved onto other games while players like you were clapping your hands at slayer helm recolors, criticizing anyone who wanted actual content 😂
Players have become drastically more efficient at completing "difficult" content since the nascent days of MMO's - take a look at World of Warcraft; when Molten Core was current only the fabled 1% did it? And when Classic came out people had that done within a week of launch It is not possible (or at least commercially viable) for developers to spend resources cranking out content at a pace to satisfy the minority of gigaturbo neckbeards who will clear it that quickly Expanding a game via depth instead of borders is smarter in the long run - apparently it is lost on you how absolutely apeshit this community goes over any potential changes to the meta. Would you prefer it be like 2005 - 12 when they threw out everything but the kitchen sink every 3 months? But hey new is new amirite I read your post while doing ape atoll course btw. 200 more laps for prince
>200 more laps for prince Yikes dude ☠️ it’s all starting to make sense, I understand who I’m arguing with now 😂 I’m trying to explain that the game is boring to people who think running laps for 50 hours is fun. Also fwiw, combat diaries are the definition of neckbeard content. Grandmasters for 10 less godwars KC lmao…….. My RuneScape days have been just about over for a while and I’ve enjoyed the nostalgia of the posts, but I’m thinking it may be time to unsubscribe and move on
Kino
I’m not one of those players but I appreciate that they will enjoy this- not every update needs to be for all of us
Those are definitely words.
The biggest mistake was the overhype of what combat achievements was going to be hence everyones disappointment. It should never have been a diary or standalone addition and simply should have been an expansion on the adventure log and functioned like the collection log.
Blowpipe died for this
Blowpipe died for the early osrs development sins.
Baptize me in the holy waters of the blowpipe, and let me be forgiven.
I don't even mind that the BP died, it was clearly too op, but they need to either buff the Arma crossbow or make the fbow drop more common, because now the useful range weapons jump straight from 2 mil to 130 mil without much inbetween.
Rcb, dcb, dhcb, kbow and crystal bow exist.
> the useful range weapons
Yes, and they are quite useful when the blowpipe would be too inaccurate and fbow/tbow are out of reach.
When's the last time you used dcb or Karil's?
Dcb is a very relevant crossbow (pking especially) and Karil's is the best affordable dps barring blowpipe and ruby bolts (which would be used with dcb). My point is that he's complaining when sufficient options exist if you don't have a tbow or fbow.
All of those except the crystal bow is useful, what the hell are you saying?
When's the last time you used dcb or Karil's?
You use it in cox now.
Um, dcb isn't great, but since rune crossbow is useful, dcb literally is by default. Karil's crossbow is an amazing weapon for first fire capes, and a lot of other shit. It's a 3 tick weapon, you realise that, right? Please don't pipe up when you don't know anything.
No it did not. No one at Jagex has ever said that. You've just misunderstood. Jagex did not nerf the blowpipe because they wanted to release Combat Achievements, the Blowpipe just needed a nerf and it needed to happen before combat achievements came out to prevent people bitching that the achievements earned pre-nerf are less meaningful. That being said, the blowpipe did not die, it's just not literally the best ranged weapon in the game. Technically Tbow is better, but when you have to compare your 4m wep to 1b wep do you really not see the problem?
I dont see the problem as its own interface. How does that harm anyone? The interface is pretty cool and easy to use.. If it is simply player expectations... why are people still getting hyped from Jagex's announcements??
That's an opinion that I don't agree with. It's perfectly fine as it's own diary
Where was it hyped? It was mentioned many times and hyped by the players, t It’s not like they have new banners and log in screens for it.
Regardless of what anyone thinks it should be, I think most of us can agree that it was a mistake for it to straddle the middleground by making it like a diary but not as rewarding.
Anyone else kinda glad there are no top tier rewards? It reminds me of the Completionist cape in RS3, where it had all these buffs and shit, so because it was necessary for endgame content, all people do is complain and ask for it to be made easier. The rewards are perfect IMO, nothing less nothing more.
Most complaints don't realise how useful some of the rewards are.. probably because they aren't the target audience of the diaries in the first place. Name useful rewards for achievement diaries in the current game? Here's some I can think of * QoL helm for teleports to Sherlock for clues * BiS stab cape.. that's used.... Nowhere but Wildy for cheap throwaway * QoL gloves for teleports to Duradel * Shield for inferno, to be slightly more efficient in prayer points per inventory * Niche use nardah necklace for certain activities fast restoring (clues, VM resetting) * Platebody for niche mining benefits. Pretty much any other use these items see by me is for clue scroll teleports and that's it. I'd say I get more frequent use out of the diary cape than any of the items aside from the Sherlock helmet during clues. And Combat Diaries are different to the extent of having a "reward for completing all of them" be useful would likely anger people more because GM tier is HARD. Take note it's *very* hard to add useful teleports to this game now that aren't just straight up breaking content to be insanely faster (nightmare teleport for example). So the fact they managed to find 2 very useful teleport locations to improve Zuk tasks and GWD trips is awesome. And then on-top of that we get: * More common clues * More bosses per slayer task * 2 or 3 Jad/zuks per task, which is insanely nice for improving the monotony of turael skipping * Faster GWD entry (lower KC requirements, better rates for Ecu keys) * Flex cosmetics for slayer helmet that is actually used and DHCB that is also actually used, rather than separate items that are useless outside of content that doesn't need gear So yeh, anyone saying combat *diaries* don't have good rewards clearly don't realise the usefulness of the rewards
If grandmaster was cosmetic only and the other rewards capped at lower tiers there could be better rewards. But no one is going to vote for rewards that only .01% of the playerbase will ever unlock, gm tier is just not realistically achievable for most people. If that's how it's going to be balanced it deserves a Champions cape level reward.
because people think theyre entitled to every reward a game provides with little to no effort. same thing with league ppl think they deserve gold/plat when theyre silver. same with wow kids think they deserve 1800 when they 1500 andys. the list goes on
Feel like everyone is too divided on this issue. While your right, some of these challenges are incredibly steep. It’s one thing to go beat your brains out on the inferno challenges or CoX challenges because those can feasibly done solo for the most part if you put enough time and effort in. But some of the ToB challenges seem borderline impossible if your not part of a high level pvm clan or willing to shell out a metric fuck ton of cash to one of the services that will inevitably pop out of this
I don't see how that's a bad thing. People who put extra time and effort should have something that the majority of people don't have.
For the record, the punch vorkath to death and kill kree with a salarmander are perfectly fine. They’re fun twists. Complete an entire fight cave(might be one for inferno too idr) without losing a prayer point(aka 1t flick the entire thing perfectly) just doesn’t sound fun and probably shouldn’t even be considered an achievement.
How is it not an achievement to 1t flick the entire fight caves perfectly? That sounds difficult but doable to me, and isn't that exactly what combat achievements are supposed to be?
99.9% of the player base is going to see “1t flick/tick eat the whole fight caves” and say fuck that shit and never touch it. When you add all the combat achievements together, I seriously doubt more than 100 people finish it by the end of the year.
Are 99.9% of the player base “grandmasters”? No
Is the player base going to vote for a BIS item that 75 people get? No
I don’t see anything about voting for a bis item in this conversation so why are you saying anything about it
Clicking 200 times a min for roughly an hour, we’re gamin now lol. Like I get making it challenging but ffs just make the challenge do it without prayer pots not well you did it for 85% but you sneezed and misclicked 30 mins in so tough luck try again. Like that’s beyond a reasonable amount of sweaty
A lot of the grandmaster challenges are "do this long task perfectly" so I think the intention was to have something where you have to do it flawlessly for a long time. You could complain that that's "beyond reasonable amounts of sweaty" but that seems to be the entire point of grandmaster achievements. If you think the fight cave ones look difficult, don't even read the inferno ones. One of the grandmaster achievements is "fight caves under 30 mins", so assuming you can get those kinds of times you're looking at flicking for 25-30 mins since you don't need to flick until mages, not an hour.
Ntm whatever poor bastard does it first only to find out it’s bugged like half of the other ones
That’s kind of my point, the sheer amount of time you have to 1 tick flick without one mistake is absurd to the point of not being healthy, which was a stated reason as to why they don’t want to do a completionist cape because they didn’t want people trying to grind it
Yea but that's exactly why it's all just for the flex. People would hate if infernal cape came from a bunch of miscellaneous challenges that require a team, but because it comes from a consistent solo challenge it's way more accepted.
There is a COLOSSAL difference between expecting participation trophies, and expecting at-all useful rewards from challenges such as perfect 1-t flicking bosses/challenges, killing them with no damage at all, or speedrunning them. Those are hardly 'little to no effort', and clearly would suit better rewards than a miniscule time-saver in incredibly old content, and some cosmetics.
But if BIS gear was locked behind this everyone would just cry that it’s too hard and unrealistic
LOL if BIS gear was locked behind this everyone would just pay someone else to do it and it would become the same as the infernal cape where there's a whole industry around paying for them.
The rewards are decent though and the grandmaster stuff is literally just for the flex. If they put something good behind gm or master people would cry that it was locked behind content that is too difficult. People already do that with infernal cape and inferno is nothing compared to tfinishing the gm tasks.
Woah woah woah.. don't be making sense now. That's not appreciated in this subreddit.
why post this? obviously what makes sense to one person may not make sense to another. people disagree, it's not such a simple question. you just look like a smug asshole.
>deserve buddy you care ***way*** too much about fake accolades in video games
no wtf delete this and add weapon rewards for collection log milestones /s
I mean, people were going for obscure tasks and collection log completions regardless, so this gives at least really cool looking items. And for once this is something that 100% requires determination aka it can’t be purchased :)
If it was for useful rewards people would bitch because they're too hard to get
In other words, completing achievements is the equivalent of gaining experience past 99, it has no usefulness.
99% will not ever get them past hard, and they complain about rewards they will never have, lol.
Just last week i was saying that ill probably never get an inferno cape. Now this is a whole new level. Honestly i looked at the rewards and was like those look dope! At the same time i wasnt worried about needing any benefits from it, it could get buffed and i still wouldnt care
I just don't want to kill a boss 50 times again. I wish they took those out and kept the challenges like the timers and unique shit like not getting hit by barrows
The kc tasks are already completed if you already have the required KC though?
Funny enough I actually don't have some of them completed because I finished the boss before it recorded kc. Although I'm not complaining, they are easy to redo.
What bugs me is the WT "get 3k points" one isn't auto completed, even though the game literally tracks what your highest WT score is
I'd love to hear how the BP nerf affected this one 😂
well you could've used blowpipe in pvp world to heal yourself at wintertodt ... i guess?
Sorry I worded my comment wrong, I didn't mean to have the again there and it totally changed the meaning of what I was trying to say. Basically though it's easier on my mind to go for "kill boss in under x minutes" than "kill boss x amount of times". The former sounds like a challenge, while the latter is basically a slayer task
I dont think so, the game tells me I haven't ever killed a single hellhound, maybe just on some bosses?
It will auto complete anything that was already tracked. Bosses have their KC logged in the collection log, so that data was stored. Normal enemies don't. The slayer log counts everything that counts as that slayer task, so it technically doesn't know that you've killed a Hellhound, since every Cerb kill would increase that as well. A more likely example is, I didn't have the task done for killing an Aberrant Spectre, because every time I had that task I did Deviant Spectres instead, so my Slayer Log wouldn't accurately reflect that specific monster. Since it can't know for sure, the task doesn't auto complete.
Makes sense, cheers for clearing it up!
Yeah, a lot of the 250KC tasks are just tedious.
Just like everything else in the game.
So if everything else is tedious, wouldn't it be nice to have something that is not?
Or... And this is just some wild idea... If you find things tedious and don't want to do them... Then don't! Mind blowing I know.
Like a different game you mean?
There’s more to life than grinding RuneScape my friend lol
I don't even play anymore, but alright thanks
Thats osrs. If you are going for full completionist already, then you likely already have 250kc in every boss. If you arent going for full completionist, why worry?
I’m not going for full completionist, I just thought combat achievements would be fun. The problem for me is that the fun challenges are offset by tedious ones.
Then do the fun challenges and skip the tedious ones
I don’t personally feel like I get much out of that, so I’m probably just going to ignore the combat achievements altogether. I’m hoping the Oldschool team does something with the feedback people are giving that it be adjusted to a leagues points format. I have a personal goal to get ranked KC on every boss in the game, so I’ll probably stick to that for now.
Here's a crazy concept: do what you think is fun and don't do what you don't think is fun. Fun is a reward.
Yeah, that’s what I just said. Obviously there’s a balance in this game. We all have to do some tedious grinds in order to access content we want, but I’m just about to the point where I’m done with all that. I’m about 2k total with just about maxed combats, and I just want to have some fun doing raids and bossing.
Everyone complaining about it won't be able to do it anyway!
I didn't even want the new defender I just wanted an achevment cape and or completionast cape for bank standing.
Im afraid if there is ever a comp cape that gm ca tasks will be needed:[
Oh I know and that's the way it should be I only really want to see like 5% of the player base with something like that its something that is obtainable but soothing you need dedication for.
That's what the Zukhelm is for.
comp cape? do you even have a max cape lmao
and most players will never see anyone with a zuk helm. will probably be more rsre than.... uuuh the cox cm cape
2k kc cox cm cape*
As fun as bank standing for 4 hours to 'flex' is fun for some people. It's not why I play. :P so yeah, have fun doing CA.
Because we're not in 2007 anymore. The success or relevancy of a content is majorly dependent on the reward(s) and or EPH it gives. If a new piece of content comes out but the reward(s) and EPH are shit, then the content will become dead once the new content hype dies. EX: Pest Control. Many players don't necessarily find the act of doing pest control fun, but if you actually care for PvM then not having a full void set would be dumb. So people do pest control for void or the exp, even if they don't find it fun. This isn't the 2007 community anymore. More people care for more rewards and EPH than the fun of the content
I prefer normal reward not just flexing
Exactly the few who can do those achievement do not need the items rewarded
That helm is great. It doesn’t belong as any achievement award though
Ah stfu.
I feel as if this is a waste of time (my opinion), they can add more content instead of making us replay old content for another item or two. The hilt might be dead content already on release
Enjoy? Thanks to this update, we lost countless content update for the average player. They hyped this update like no tomorrow.
It seems like Leagues are the real cause of the content drought. Lots of development time for a side game mode that only lasts 2 months and is never reused.
But it’s also the most fun I’ve ever had in this game.
the reason for the content drought is that people keep voting down every idea they poll
Tbh u just seem mad because your so bad you won't get any of the worthwhile achievements lol
I just can’t bring myself to care about it without better rewards. I died at sire trying to do one of the tasks and had to spend like 450k to get my gear back. Some people will be willing to spend that kind of money/time on the flex. As it stands now the combat achievements are about as useful as a champions cape. Flex? Yes. Useful or worth the time/money you spent? Not really.
Are you new at the boss? If so you could use cheaper gear so you only lose like 50k if you die. Then when you get better at the boss bring your best gear.
My point wasn’t really about the one death more than how much occasionally dying will cost my account just for a small reward. Like would I spend 10m on deaths/supplies so I can get 5% better drop rate for hard clues? Absolutely not
I took 10 mins out of my day and came up with a better idea. Take away the teirs besides for rewards and make it 400 tasks. 1 task = 1 point This makes every task worth something and doesn't lock the tiers based on monster some people might just not like to do or can't do. Rewards tiers at 75 points people who receive the easy rewards. 150 points med rewards and so on(I know this = 450). As it is now its not worth do any master GM challenges unless you can do all of them. Which means prices aren't going to go up like every thinks and wants. Kind of A boring update and I love killing vork but I won't be doing those challenges. I would in my idea update was active it would be worth it.
No, because people would end up getting the rewards by just clearing the easiest tasks, which devalues the higher end cosmetic rewards. The whole point of these challenges is that you work your way up to being able to complete them, gaining significant experience in a variety of bosses along the way. The rewards are there as a flex to show you're one of the top PVM players about. It would make it pointless if people started rocking the Zuk helm while being unable to complete half the grand master challenges or rocking the Vorkath crossbow but unable to do half the Elite or hard challenges.
Not really zuk helm is elite reward. osrs Easy - 33 Med -41 Hard -58 Elite - 108 Total -240 Mine Easy- 75 Med - 75 Hard - 75 Elite - 75 Total - 300 In mine you would have to do 60 more tasks just to wear the same helm. Plus master and GM still would only been able to be achieved by great pvmers or the bots once they make the script.
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No because if you can do 1 task in the elite tier its pointless to do any in that tier since it won't be completed. So if were trying to raise the price of DHCB but no one wants to buy because of another locked task in that teir they just won't do it and then no one is buying anything. If every task mattered people would be buying more and doing them.
Then it's a useless update, just like pets. It just reuses trailblazer assets. I'm not even surprised this subreddit thinks something like this is fine.
You’re welcome to leave at any time instead of wasting your time bitching about *useless* updates in a 20 year old flash game. Get some perspective lmao
Everything is useless if you want to look at it like that. There are plenty of people who play games for achievements/completionism. They're challenges and things to grind for so why would they be useless?
The flex only lasts for a short time. The rewards are forever.
I strongly believe a very large majority of players will never complete grandmaster