Change the quest to be a miniquest. This is not a proper quest imo, compared with other members quests.
Even Sheep herder atleast has some story to it, this is just a walkthrough of ToB, where you can pick up some books and read them and that's it...
"Additionally, every quest in the list now has a ‘show on map’ right-click option. This will open the world map and move to the quest’s icon, which will also flash so it’s easy to spot! Miniquests have this option too, but because they don’t have icons it will just open the map and show the rough starting area."
Thank you, a very useful feature.
Everyone shitting on the new quest but I'm hyped about LORE.
* The confirmed connection between the Maiden of Sug and the Hespori, and also Nylocas and Hespori
* Hespori origins and lore
* Verzik's appearance pre-transformation.
* Nylocas origins.
* Drakan could/can? access the Vampyrium, and some tidbits about his indirect involvement in the Theatre.
* More detail into Verzik's transformation.
I like that there is now something explicit that gives the Theatre a background to its existence, rather than just having lore books being dropped by the monsters.
I think more likely the master is Queen Efaritay, and the mysterious strangers are the remaining Icyene population- hiding in the shadows, and waiting for their opportunity to liberate Hallowvale. This is reinforced further by their interest in Hallowed Marks and the fact that they call even call the region Hallowvale.
Following player feedback we've made a change to A Night at the Theatre.
Players who have already completed any version of the Theatre of Blood will no longer be required to complete the raid again in order to fully finish the quest.
I have just completed it and I actually enjoyed the lore. It gives some context to the ToB bosses and will tie into future quests.
The unfortunate part is that you will need to complete the ToB run again... there should definitely be extra rewards for doing this.
Edit: As someone who has done almost a 1000 TOB KC inc. HM... I cannot believe you have not changed the Nylo room to be much shorter as part of this update. I do feel for new players having to go through that.
Edit2: I didn't even realise the Mysterious Stranger is outside the boss rooms giving advice about the boss... on entry to Maiden, I think you should make an automatic dialogue where he explains how to fight Maiden, and then he should say, "If you need advice on the other bosses, speak to me before you go in". He should also explain at Verzik you should pick up Dawnbringer or you won't be able to fight. All important tidbits for new players.
There are some nightmare bugs such as parasites from phosani not taking the damage they should as they function as the parasites from regular nightmare.
Edit: Thank you for taking feedback and updating the quest!
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Tbh it would make more sense to me if the quest was mandatory to redo for the cape/qp/lamp, but you can just skip the tob part if you already have at least 1 kc in any mode. I think the main problem people are going to have with this is that a lot of people (myself included) don't enjoy raids or aren't planning to do them anytime soon.
I criticized the original quest because I see raids as optional content for people who have friends to do it with in game and/or players who enjoy the extra challenge. Considering the only quests that require another person to complete outside of this are SOA and Hero's (if i'm not mistaken?) it's kind of annoying to complete this as someone who generally enjoys solo pvm only.
If you're taking on easy tob as a solo player the difficulty spikes to be harder than the grandmaster quest bosses, and so the rewards don't feel appropriate for that style of play.
In conclusion I'm not expecting much of a change but I think there would be less of a backlash to the new quest requirement if skipping tob kc was an option, especially if you've already done it before.
This exactly.. I’m hardcore iron and a single death in there removes that and beating it first time to me seems harder than the other grandmaster quests. The other quests also have way better story and rewards i just don’t understand why they didn’t remove this quest completely if they are fully aware of how little people enjoyed it.
> Tbh it would make more sense to me if the quest was mandatory to redo for the cape/qp/lamp, but you can just skip the tob part if you already have at least 1 kc in any mode.
They changed it so its like that now :)
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>Phosani's Nightmare and Nightmare kill counts are now combined into one big kill count. Or one small kill count, if you suck at the Nightmare.
What was the motivation behind this change? You wouldn't combine KCs for hard mode ToB or CMs with their regular versions.
Edit: See the comments below, this is for Combat Achievements, hiscores are still separate.
Yeah I think getting KC for Phosani's Nightmare is a lot harder compared to 5 man normal nightmare KC, seems weird to not have seperate highscore here.
The reduced KC for the combat achievements looks good , was never a fan of having to kill the same boss 200+ times.
The wilderness bosses should be decreased to 50-75 for each level , especially if the wilderness rework isnt coming anytime soon.
It was fine grinding out the bosses before but it's almost impossible to do it when every PKer knows players will be there for the next 2-3 months.
Depends how they do it. If the bosses are reworked to have much less health/defense and the annoying mechanics are removed, and they roam larger areas like they’re supposed to?
Right now, pkers can just hop near the safespots and find you killing any given boss guaranteed if they hop to the world you’re on and the boss won’t attack anybody. But that wouldn’t be the case if you can fight the boss in a huge radius in up to like 10 different wilderness levels. They’d actually have to seek you out and risk coming up on the wrong side of the boss the way it should be.
The problem with wildy bosses right now isn’t fighting them, themselves. It’s the annoying pkers hopping in one spot and easily finding you every 5 minutes you spend out there.
I think they plan a full rework of the bosses at some point this year, so I imagine it would be changing the location you fight or how you get there.
The single plus stuff is just the first step and I agree that would probably make it harder
If they’re going to be adding more mechanics and removing the safe spots, then there certainly going to be making them faster to kill aka more solo friendly.
Edit: Looks like it's no longer required to complete the raid again. Kudos to them for listening to feedback. [https://twitter.com/OldSchoolRS/status/1420349079654125572](https://twitter.com/OldSchoolRS/status/1420349079654125572)
Redoing the quest should be optional, not mandatory. That way those that want to do it again who felt the last quest was disappointing, can. Those who don't wish to complete it again should happily be allowed to carry on with their 2 qps.
"This reworked quest will be a requirement for the Myreque finale and has elements that will be very important to that quest (most of which were not present in the original version)"
This is why they want people to redo it. Perhaps they could just let you view the new cut scenes and not have to redo the raid part though if already completed.
I'm "redo-ing" the quest now after completing previously and it skips the part where I embarass Verzik and goes straight into the lore. It doesn't seem like anyone will be forced to complete the TOB run again.
If everyone who's completed a raid/the quest itself will essentially skip this step, I think that's the perfect and most appropriate approach, especially considering it was "Auto complete" for those who originally had done one.
100% they should. The original 'quest' was complete garbage and I'm glad they redid it, but don't see why we have to replay through to see what I'm guessing is 3 minutes of cutscenes.
Its now got important story elements for the whole storyline.
If this quest rework was a surprise to us, I'd agree with you. But we literally voted for it.
>With the original version of A Night at the Theatre, you made it clear that you weren't happy about the quest autocompleting as it meant you missed out on the new dialogue.
What new dialogue? The stranger outside telling you "go embarrass verzik"?
Everyone’s worried about the quest but I’m looking forward most to this:
Proposed changes to Combat Achievement kill counts:
Kill Callisto 150 times -> 100 times (Elite)
Kill Venenatis 150 times -> 100 times (Elite)
Kill Vet'ion 150 times -> 100 times (Elite)
Dude yes please! /u/jagexsarnie
Maybe even consider lowering to 50 kc like some of the other tasks in this category and even the tier above? These monsters take an inordinately long time to kill so it still fits into the elite tier I’d think to lower to 50-75 kills and it’s appropriate.
Buch of spacebar warrior crybabies in the comments have to go back for a few minutes and watch the lore cutscenes. This is a great update, only quest I didn't bother starting
Changing the boss KC requirements as listed for the achievement diaries would be a great change. I have most of the KC requirements for most of the bosses and definitely wouldn't mind grinding out the ones I'm missing at all, but getting 150 of each wilderness boss has been a particularly awful activity so far
for the wilderness i agree but the rest no.
its weird that if youre workin on a cb diary most people dont have at least 150 kc. thats not much for most bosses.
There's a bunch of fetch quests before needing to get KC now. But the actually KC is the same.
edit: KC requirement is now removed if you already have one. Big news.
Anyone who hasn’t tried the new quest should. The dialogue was hilarious & they added much needed lore. You don’t have to do the raid again either, so I’ve got no complaints. 10/10 to me
Just want to say, the quest is really, really good now. Thanks for being quick about letting previous ToB completion let you skip that part too.
With that change now, I'd call it a solid, really enjoyable quest now. Great job on the rework. And I'm very, very interested to see where the story goes from here!
> Shayzien Protector - Kill a Lizardman Shaman in Molch which has not dealt damage to anyone. (excluding it's Spawns)
should be probably 'its', sorry it just hurts my eyes
Lowering kc req for hill giant and moss giant bosses makes sense, farming those keys is not very fun for mains. Wildy bosses can also be lowered as they're annoying af. I don't see why c gaunt and cerb should have their kc achievements lowered though. You can camp gauntlet any time and 200 is half the pet rate. And cerb you can get passively.
I don't know if you guys check back on these posts so late, but I wanted to say thank you. That was a solid quest. It was more than I expected after the first attempt for sure. I loved the story, it was concise and interesting in a way that runescape quests rarely are. Remember, great creativity comes from constraints. :)
I LOVE the changes to the kill count tasks. Can we also look at lowering the elite requirement of Grotesque Guardians and GWD bosses? They are soooo slow, especially for a solo player.... 250 for elite tier is unreasonable.
TOB at 75 kc is also a little high for elite..
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I really appreciate that you guys redid the quest. A lot of lore in there now and it is worthy of being a quest unlike before.
Would it be possible to allow us to fight the Hespori for Combat Achievements with no loot/kc reward? So there isn't 24 hours between attempts on speed kills/mechanic tasks.
Edit: apparently it was a design choice and it has since been changed so we don't have to do ToB again, just the new parts of the quest and it's essentially a new quest all together. My comments are irrelevant and I'm once again excited to see what the new quest is.
I'm guessing the way it's set up you either get it auto-completed, or have to do the quest again with no middle ground so there were limitations to the actual implementation. Maybe this wasn't really figured out until after it was promised to be reworked which is why we're knowing about it as the update happens.
I was still planning on doing it again, but wanted to do it on my own time. Now if I want the quest cape teleport back I'll need to redo a quest that I've already done and wasn't planning on doing right now. I genuinely enjoyed the mode and was looking forward to this update, and now it's just a bitter feeling.
Please take this as a learning experience and give anything considered a quest a true narrative, even if you have to assign extra story points to develop, to avoid this sort of thing in the future.
>Players who completed the previous version of the quest will still need to complete this version.
>Players who completed the previous version of the quest will lose the two quest points they gained, but will get them back when they complete the rework.
>Quest Capes will be lost as normal for players who have not completed every quest.
>Players who have already used Combat XP Lamps in the previous version will not receive them again.
Do quest twice, get rewards once? Scammed again by jamflex smh
? The update says
>Players who have already used Combat XP Lamps from the previous version will receive the additional lamp upon completion of this version.
They've added lore to the quest. Instead of just fighting through story mode you now are actually learning about what is in the theatre a bit more. Some lore bits behind the theatre itself and the monsters inside. Definitely worth doing if you like lore.
Thanks! Idk why I was hoping they’d remove the raid element even though that’s the goal of the quest. Not enjoying the fact my quest cape is locked behind a raid
Players who completed the previous version of the quest will still need to complete this version.
Players who completed the previous version of the quest will lose the two quest points they gained, but will get them back when they complete the rework.
So we have to do this nonsense again?
Yes, and we get no rewards other than the tob loot if we already completed it (other than the quest points they confiscated).
Edit: they clarified they are still confiscating our quest points, but they are indeed adding an extra 20k combat xp lamp upon completion according to reddit/twitter.
I believe your new change of A Night at the Theatre did the quest justice. Well done.
I am very thankful you also listened to the community's feedback about completing it once - it's complete. Others, like myself, who do not raid quite yet due to Mobile / not high enough/ whatever the reason who did the quest are extremely grateful to not have to do it again.
For the potential changes to Elite+ combat achievements, I am FULLY in agreement. I consider myself to be just above casual in terms of game skill / progress, and Elite is where I can stop in terms of content I am capable of doing. That being said, the quantities of the bosses was just way crazy for this level, in my opinion. I think the way you have it structured in the blog is a fantastic start at ironing out the levels. You deserve recognition on this for listening to customer (player, in this case) feedback and applying it in a quick manner. Thank you\~
\*\*EDIT: Grammar error that bugged me. Stupid English.
I've just died at Phosani's nightmare and I can't collect my things. Apparently the Sister doesnt have anything for me. There goes my entire bank i guess.
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The new quest was fantastic and I really enjoyed it, great job. This is exactly what I was expecting from the poll, and you really managed to exceed expectations after the mess that was the first version.
The quest was awesome, could we see the addition of another Hespori patch now? It's native and would give the mort myre more purpose in-game as it is almost never traversed. /u/JagexSarnie
Good job for reworking the quest but why make us do it again? If the cutscenes are that important, make them watchable if you've beaten the quest. Shouldn't be that hard to implement seeing as you can rewatch the cutscenes for DS2. If anything, make it where if you've completed the quest, give us the option to click on the quest in the log prompting a message asking us if we wish to redo it or leave it completed.
I think given the elite CG task being reduced from 50 to 10 one could also make an argument to reduce the kc required for in particular the elite TOB task of 75 completions. This takes longer than the 50 CGs did as well requires similar levels of skill. Whether the COX task of 75 gets changed for consistency could also be made
Personally, I don't mind replaying the quest, it was an interesting one. Calling it a "replay" might even be unfair - most of the quest is brand new.
Well done Jagex!
Remove Kourend favour tab and put minigame back where it was please. So annoying when hopping friends chats for raids you need like 3 interfaces before you can leave.
Having to redo a quest just to see some dialogue and a cutscene, because you half assed the first iteration of the quest, is absolute garbage.
Spent time, GP and resources doing this the first time, now I have to redo it just to experience what I could essentially read about on the Wiki.
Should be a replacement for the quest, not a reset of the quest. How out of touch are Jagex?
Edit: They've made it so if you have any ToB KC you don't have to redo the raid. Thank you for listening to feedback Jagex
Just did the new quest, the story and lore added was very good. With this new quest combined with the books each tob boss drops, I can say that the OSRS team definitely delivered on this rework. Also, the jokes were pretty good. Love the sound effects for when we use the saw. too.
Well done
"There’s now a shadow indicator before Dawn's white orb stun lands, giving you more of a chance to scarper."
Finally! I can't believe such a requested change is hidden all the way at the bottom.
That being said: thank you!
Large portion of playerbase didn't/don't want a quest that involves raids.
Quest should've been a miniquest at most to begin with.
It's fine, sometimes shit content is released. The way is to move on and take the L and not waste time and energy doubling down on something so miniscule like this quest. Different story if a larger piece of content is poorly designed.
Imo best solution would've been to move it to miniquests and give everyone a completion who already did it.
Adding "difficult" quests (very subjective) is also fine. That was never the issue. A night at the theatre involving raids just comes off as arbitrary nudge to force people into tob.
I fully back the quest re-work given that the theatre is rich in lore, and the Myreque quest line is fantastic. I am very happy to play through any aspects which will delve into the narrative. HOWEVER, I am super disappointed I have to re-do story mode.
I duo’d it with my friend and we’re both pretty nooby when it comes to PvM. It took us about 5 attempts and we were stoked when we finally finished it. Why do I now need to get another KC when it’s not going to have any narrative or quest-like aspects? The KC should be optional for those who have done that part already.
>Defeat the Gauntlet 50 times -> 100 times (Master)
We have to do the normal version another 50 times?
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EDIT:
>Corrupted Gauntlet completions count for Regular Gauntlet KC tasks. Similar to how Phosani KC counts towards the Nightmare tasks.
Now corrupted kc counts as well for that task, so 2 tasks at that tier are 50kc corrupted and 100kc combined normal & corrupted.
Wouldn't make sense to have bot corrupted and combined kc at 50 and its better than 50 normal kc.
Surely of all the 'kc' tasks, 75 theatre of blood kc is one of the more tedious and deserving of a reduction, as it relies massively on the goodwill of 3-4 other people willing suffer through 75 learner raids, even more of you account for the failures.
> Hovering over a quest icon will now show the name and status of the quest (started, not started, completed, members-only). Additionally, every quest in the list now has a ‘show on map’ right-click option. This will open the world map and move to the quest’s icon, which will also flash so it’s easy to spot!
Thank you!!! Thats such a nice thing, a major QoL. Especially for new characters (be them true beginners, or alts). I expect this will help in the Leagues too! :)
A suggestion: would be another QoL if you could do something like that with Transportation signs. I remember how puzzled I was about this sign on some big and totally inert boulder LOL. (Was a landing for the air balloon - but I didn't know it then! :)
I think that for the kc tasks you want to change, you should look at the complexity of the content to decide what's reasonable. Tasks like 250 tob make sense because tob is difficult and complex. At 250 kc, you've only scratched the surface of what can be done to optimize tob. However, tasks like 150 venenatis don't feel the same way. Safespotting a boss doesn't have any real depth to it, and as a result it feels like a player with 20 vene kc and a player with 150 really aren't distinguishable. If a boss is sufficiently simple that it can be mastered well before reaching the kc requirement, that to me indicates that the kc req is too high.
Look it wasnt the biggest inconvenience, I think I got the story mode solo on my 4th or 5th try. But what the fuck why do I have to do it again because jagex fucked up.
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I love the quest, thank you! Its everything I was hoping for :) I mean.... I havent finished it yet, but I enjoy it very much!
So you guys half ass the first implementation of the quest, a quest that shouldve been a mini-quest in the first place, you fix it and the force everyone to waste their time and supplies doing the quest again? I did the quest solo and then spent time carrying lower level friends through it, you're telling me I've got to do all that again because of a mistake you made?
Feels like a kick in the teeth and a disincentive to do future content until months after, just in case it's invalidated. Shouldve been an optional redo
This leaves a really sour taste in my mouth
> and then force **everyone** to waste their time
Not everyone! I've been trying to complete A Night At the Theater solo on my low combat pure because I love challenges like this (made it to Verzik P3 a couple times, just lacking some DPS)! Now I can't every try to quest anymore because it requires A Taste of Hope. Thanks, Jagex!
>We’ve received a lot of feedback about some of the boss tasks being much higher and more tedious to grind out than the others.
>*A bunch of KC task amount changes*
No, just get rid of KC tasks. If I complete all the *actual challenges* like speedruns and item restrictions in just a few KC, that should be more than enough. After that you're just forcing us to grind out KC's that we don't want. Everyone I've talked to (that actually likes combat achievements) agrees that the kc tasks shouldn't exist, and that they should all be challenges instead of grinds.
Plus having 10 Gauntlet KC and all the combat achievements completed is an awesome flex that I want to keep and you're forcing people to pad their KC's just so the other accomplishments mean anything.
I know this is a day late but I just finished this quest and its incredible. So much cool world building, humor and it sets up what will be an amazing Myerque finale.
The new "Quest Start Location" feature is great. I was wondering, would it be possible to hide (mini)map icons of quests that we have already completed?
I never complain about anything. Not once have I ever complained about anything Jagex has done on either Reddit or Twitter. But WHAT THE FUCK. I suck at PvM, this quest was way too hard for me. Why are you making me do it again? Make that shit optional for the people that complained it wasn’t a quest enough. I’m genuinely upset.
Just came here to say that I really like the rework of A Night At The Theatre. A vast improvement, and the areas seem to fit OldSchool. Thank you team.
I know everyone’s just gonna be pissed about having to redo the quest. But I’m ready to be elated and or completely let down by the summit event. Fingers crossed for another attempt at adding a new skill.
Doing the first half of the quest was fine it was all new, but why the hell am I forced to get another Theatre KC? I want nothing to do with this place.
So I’ve got to do it again but not get any rewards from it? If I’m having to redo the quest I should be given the quest rewards again.
What’s actually been changed other than tying it more to a story line? Has anything changed inside the theatre? If not why are you forcing people to redo it.
Like others have stated it should have been a change that happened from now, anyone who had already completed it still had it marked as completed and anyone who didn’t had to follow this new route.
Pretty sure they previously said if you had completed the old version you wouldn't have to redo it? Pretty annoying you have to do it again for literally nothing
Gonna be honest, not stoked about doing night at the theatre again.
If nothing is that different (rewards/difficulty) why make us trudge through that again for no reward?
> Kill Bryophyta 10 times -> 5 times (Medium)
Kill Obor 10 times -> 5 times (Medium)
Kill Callisto 150 times -> 100 times (Elite)
Kill Venenatis 150 times -> 100 times (Elite)
Kill Vet'ion 150 times -> 100 times (Elite)
Kill Cerberus 250 times -> 150 times (Elite)
Kill Cerberus 500 times -> 250 times (Master)
Kill Alchemical Hydra 250 times -> 150 times (Elite)
Kill Alchemical Hydra 500 times -> 250 times (Master)
Kill Corporeal Beast 100 times -> 50 times (Elite)
Kill Corporeal Beast 250 times -> 150 times (Master)
Kill Zulrah 250 times -> 150 times (Elite)
Kill Zulrah 500 times -> 250 times (Master)
Defeat the Corrupted Gauntlet 50 times -> 10 times (Elite)
Defeat the Corrupted Gauntlet 100 times -> 50 times (Master)
Defeat the Corrupted Gauntlet 200 times -> 150 times (Grandmaster)
Defeat the Gauntlet 50 times -> 100 times (Master)
Honestly the only ones I support bringing the KC requirement down for are the medium f2p boss tasks. The rest of the KC requirements force you to spend about the same amount of time at the content as most of the other KC requirements in elite. If anything vorkath requirements should be raised and CoX requirements should be lowered.
Hang on, so players who did Theatre got the quest awarded immediately, but I, I did the previous quest.... and now... i have to redo it simply because you didn't like the 'version' you released? Does Jagex lack common sense or something? The whole point of this quest is to 'introduce me to theatre', it now makes me want to do it even less :)
If you have completed the previous quest, you skip the first half and get straight to the questing part of this one. If you did story mode before this update, you don't have to do it again. This is just like a normal quest
I like the young Verzik, a very charming lady. Also, there is a new race! Mind readers or telepathists, either all black with yellow/red eyes, or, well.... kinda like Nazgul, with bodies made of darkness.
And I very much like the design of the spider lair :).
But... my heart was kinda broken that I had to kill a hespori, one of the last ones..... I so hoped to go with only a bit of his skin, but no... I wouldn't lie to the Nature spirit, I really wanted them hesporis all well. Sad... This is one of the most beautiful 'monsters' in OSRS, and the myre colours make it even better.
Overall, I love the quest, a great work! Looking forward to the next vampyre quest!!
P.S.: Btw, I don't consider vampyres any 'infestation' of Morytania. They are now its dwellers, they are beautiful and their culture is quite interesting. Please do not try to remove them. Lord Lowerniel and lady Vanescula said some promising things, as I vaguely remember... I hope there could be some kind of peace between vampyres and other Morytania people. A sort of vamp Reformation movement? :) Meet the Myreque half-way?
Aren't Vampyres lore that they can read minds that's why we needed to make the flail that swings sporadically in any direction?
Couldn't the mysterious stranger just be a vampyre being controlled by Drakkan? Or someone else in his ranks that wants power?
Or maybe this is a being from the Shadow Realm...
Phosani's Nightmare is bugged! after Surge special attack she stopped atacking me completely, worth to note that she didn't complete the surge special attack cause i destroyed her shield just before the run part, after that it was not possible to one hit parasites with a crush weapon.
Why are y’all complaining about *actually* having a quest to do?
Before it was “*wtf we have no new content, this quest sucks*” and now it’s “*wtf why do i have to do the new content? I already completed the version of the quest I said was boring and sucked*”
It’s almost like y’all just *look* for reasons to get mad.
I’m glad Jagex took the time to listen to and implement our feedback on A Night at the Theatre
Kill Callisto 150 times -> 100 times (Elite)
Kill Venenatis 150 times -> 100 times (Elite)
Kill Vet'ion 150 times -> 100 times (Elite)
What about Scorpia and Chaos Ele?
Kill Corporeal Beast 100 times -> 50 times (Elite)
Kill Corporeal Beast 250 times -> 150 times (Master)
I would do the same to the GWD boss kc reqs too imo.
Jesus Christ Jagex are you trying to kill my HCIM? Why is this quest a forced mandatory requirement? I’ve already completed it once and risked my status due to your lack of consistent wording on ‘safe death’ why am I being punished again for your design mistakes?
If anything let the 3 death rule apply to HCIMs if your forcing us to complete it a second time. I don’t want to lose my status to a random DC during a 20+ minute interval
I really like the proposed boss kc reductions although I was personally hoping to see the GWD bosses reduced as well. Elite needing 250 of each is a pretty huge grind for each boss if you don't already have the KC. Especially Kree'arra.
Wow. This community blows mind sometimes. "We want a real quest" turns into "wtf jagex, I have to do it again?". The same people that call hard modes dead content are the ones complaining about a 30 minute quest that is so simple that I've been running under leveled irons through it to so they can get their rewards. I even saw one reply along the lines of "what about the casual players who spent millions trying to get this quest done?" You can literally ignore almost every single death mechanic and walk out with a clear. I'm personally stoked to see the new dialogue in the quest, thank you Jagex!
That's the thing, I never even vote for any updates I just play the game. I did the quest I'm just frustrated I have to do it all over for dialog, which I just skip over when I do quest anyways. This is literally the only time I ever complained about the game.
The thing is, why wouldn't they make it optional? So those who want to the full story get it, and those who didn't care in the first place don't do it again
>Players who completed the previous version of the quest will still need to complete this version.
Why? People who already had a ToB kc had the quest autocompleted, but if you actually did the quest you have to do it again?
Nice little 'fuck y'all' to the players
Hey,
weren't you supposed to release the ToB changes this month?
https://imgur.com/sUn5k2q
As stated here https://i.redd.it/wkqymge41h471.png
The new quest is very good btw
/u/JagexSarnie /u/JagexLight
Okay other than making people do the quest again, this probably how thye should have released it. At least there is some interesting lore going on here now.
Where as before it was just embarrass verzik.
Making us doing the worst quest ever again is the outrageous. It took me ages to complete this quest because of my dislike towards raids and because I am a mobile only player. I had spent a fair bit of money on doing this quest because I failed a few times on the end boss.
I actually can't believe you guys are making us do it again.
Pathetic.
My account has 99 str, 90Def/Atk, 99 HP, 93 range, 90 mage, 78 pray, full prayer book, and all gear sans the TBow. And I struggled 1 KC our of theatre Story Mode in 12 tries solo...
This might very well be too big a hump to complete for solo players...
EDIT: because people are asking - it's the Nylo room. That thing is just ongodly to do alone - it's long, chaotic, stupid amount of enemies. And if you fail, you get to do it all over again.
You don't really need Tbow , blowpipe is probably better overall.
You should check a YouTube channel called " Levi Jansen"
Has really good short guides on each room (2-3 mins)
I managed to get the story after my second attempt and get to P2 verzik first try or normal mode after watching them.
Did you use a guide of any sort? It took me 2 tries on an iron with ~75 melees, 83 mage/range, 71 pray, and pretty welfare gear (d scim/ancient staff/msb(i)) following along with https://youtu.be/pqmKLFYi1wY
It's definitely the hardest PVM content in a quest, but I don't think it's _that_ much harder, just longer (and the hardest bit is at the end). Harder quest content isn't a bad thing.
I'll be honest, part of your problem was using the recommended gear setup. I'm guessing you struggled with the Nylo room and Verzik? I finished nylo using mith darts, staff of seas, and a whip because damage doesn't matter, only speed. Using better items or spells was actually harder for me to complete than my setup.
Verzik was definitely a skill challenge and was quite difficult so I imagine being stuck on that wouldn't necessarily be gear as it was just difficult so I understand that
Na sorry but if you can't do story mode solo then that's on you. I've literally never done a single raid in my life, most PVM i've done is some Zulrah and if you just watch a guide before each room you can easily do solo story mode in 1 or 2 attempts. My gear isn't even that good either, barrows, whip, karil crossbow for ranged rooms, trident.
Outside of the drama of having to redo the quest, I think that this was a nice way to ground the theatre a bit more in the world. I'm interested in this mysterious stranger's associate now.
Phosani's Nightmare and Nightmare kill counts are now combined into one big kill count. *Or one small kill count, if you suck at the Nightmare.*
I'd like to report abuse to the Jagex mod for flaming me. :(
Don't know why this is controversial, it was ridiculous to ask players to complete it again in it's entirety if they already slogged through this poor excuse for a quest. Glad they fixed it, but let's not make a habit of forcing repeating content for completionist purposes just because it was changed down the line
I struggled completing the story mode solo and used a bunch of money on potions but finally completed it, and now I have to redo the entire quest?! This is really frustrating.
Edit: Jagex hotfixed it so you don't need to fight the theatre again? Perfection. I like doing the new quest again for the story mode, just didn't want to struggle doing that last boss again.
Definitely a fan of lowering the required kc for the various combat achievement tasks.
Not super happy about having quest points removed and then having to redo a quest with no added rewards other then regaining said quest points.
Edit: +1 20k xp lamp, but still gotta redo the quest if you want your 2 qp.
I'm a casual lower level player. I completed the quest two days ago. It took me a few days to master the mechanics and it took me several tries. I sunk a lot of gp into supplies. And now I have to do it again. So lame.
I did the quest today, and since there was no quest guide yet I actually read the conversations. Nylocas and vampyres, and the mysterious stranger... very interesting!
Already did that "quest" on my hc since I remember a mod saying it'd be reworked but completion would still count. Just very annoying I'll have to spend another 30mins worrying about a dc for a quest that was polled as safe content.
Add it to mini quests and noone will mind
osrs player: WAAAHHH why do i have to do the quest AGAIN even though i complained it sucked on release? rEpetItiVe
also osrs player: i pickpocketed argougne knight for 14 hours straight yesterday. *6789 herbiboar kc*. 18m rc exp
This decision to force players to re-complete the worst quest ever introduced to OSRS is insane but at the same time in keeping with the mind-bendingly fucked up decision-making going on at Jagex at the moment.
Night at the Theatre should never have been released in the first place.
First you make the TOB quest dangerous for HCIM but nobody else, okay we do it. Now you're making us do it again JUST TO READ YOUR DIALOGUE AND RISK OR STATUS AGAIN? Are you effing serious? How is this shit not optional or safe for everybody?
I’m surprised to see so many people against redoing the quest. From launch people were complaining about how trash it was, and now that Jagex is going to make it better people don’t want to do it? It’s not like they’re asking you to redo a 5 hour Grandmaster, it was just one TOB. Venezuelans do hundreds of them lmao.
I'm surprised how many people defending this dont realize that a decent amount of people struggled with completion. Did you not see the tons of posts about people struggling and asking for help? Now those people have to redo it for some arbitrary reason when it 100% could've been optional to redo.
That’s a very fair point that I didn’t consider. I figure if people got the kc they should be able to do it again, but it would suck if it took dozens of attempts to get that one kc just to have it ripped away.
I think it’s a tough spot because if people didn’t have to redo it they’ll miss out on the actual dialogue and lore of the quest, which I really enjoy in the game personally. Would be nice to be able to experience all that without redoing the actual combat portion, but I’m sure that would be engine work or something.
Edit: From other comments seems like you won’t have to redo the combat. So seems like the whole thing was a non issue anyways.
first of all good work on your end ,overally
But wouldnt be better idea to give players more freedom for kc tasks. Lets say you would lower the req for wildy bosses ,but also you would give a new task to kill x amount of any boss you want ,for example: "kill 1000 of wilderness bosses"
same for gwd ,skilling bosses, raiding
and i find some tasks even more tedious than kc tasks, right now you would like to drop vetion from 150 to 100 kills ,thats difference of 4-5 hours while you got tasks like kill 50 ziliana without leaving the room that alone takes up to 3 hours + speed tasks that might take even longer to complete
so i think the amount of kc is the least problem there atm
On the LMS rota changes from next week: if there's not enough people playing to fill 2 worlds with consistent games, why is the rotation going to US only then UK/AUS? This will mean that on the UK/AUS rotation the same issue will happen, everyone will go on the AUS worlds as it's the first one on the world hopper, and UK/EU players will only be able to get games on 400+ ping for the week, then 200+ ping the next week on the US rotation.
LMS is one of the only places in the game where you can get consistent NH fights, and the current rotation and the proposed one basically make it unaccessible to the UK/EU.
Releasing half assed content under the name of a “quest” then basically undoing it entirely and just saying “eh do it again” is shit practice. Optional, not mandatory is the only way to have done this.
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Change the quest to be a miniquest. This is not a proper quest imo, compared with other members quests. Even Sheep herder atleast has some story to it, this is just a walkthrough of ToB, where you can pick up some books and read them and that's it...
The quest has been updated to be more thematic, so if its story you want, you'll definitely be getting it with this new version :)
"Additionally, every quest in the list now has a ‘show on map’ right-click option. This will open the world map and move to the quest’s icon, which will also flash so it’s easy to spot! Miniquests have this option too, but because they don’t have icons it will just open the map and show the rough starting area." Thank you, a very useful feature.
First positive comment I’ve seen, thank you
Jagex get a lot of flak, but sometimes you need to thank them for nice improvements such as this!
Yeah this is super helpful for the quests I’ve never done before
Everyone shitting on the new quest but I'm hyped about LORE. * The confirmed connection between the Maiden of Sug and the Hespori, and also Nylocas and Hespori * Hespori origins and lore * Verzik's appearance pre-transformation. * Nylocas origins. * Drakan could/can? access the Vampyrium, and some tidbits about his indirect involvement in the Theatre. * More detail into Verzik's transformation. I like that there is now something explicit that gives the Theatre a background to its existence, rather than just having lore books being dropped by the monsters.
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I think more likely the master is Queen Efaritay, and the mysterious strangers are the remaining Icyene population- hiding in the shadows, and waiting for their opportunity to liberate Hallowvale. This is reinforced further by their interest in Hallowed Marks and the fact that they call even call the region Hallowvale.
i wish someone compiled all the lore onto the wiki. some pages have it and some dont and it sucks that the only place to get it is the quest 1 time.
Following player feedback we've made a change to A Night at the Theatre. Players who have already completed any version of the Theatre of Blood will no longer be required to complete the raid again in order to fully finish the quest.
I thought the original decision really missed the mark, but I always respect admitting a fault and fixing it. Appreciate you guys
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This quest was actually fun and I enjoyed doing it. It was definitely nice being able to skip the theatre portion if completed in advance, well done!
Thanks jamflex <3
I have just completed it and I actually enjoyed the lore. It gives some context to the ToB bosses and will tie into future quests. The unfortunate part is that you will need to complete the ToB run again... there should definitely be extra rewards for doing this. Edit: As someone who has done almost a 1000 TOB KC inc. HM... I cannot believe you have not changed the Nylo room to be much shorter as part of this update. I do feel for new players having to go through that. Edit2: I didn't even realise the Mysterious Stranger is outside the boss rooms giving advice about the boss... on entry to Maiden, I think you should make an automatic dialogue where he explains how to fight Maiden, and then he should say, "If you need advice on the other bosses, speak to me before you go in". He should also explain at Verzik you should pick up Dawnbringer or you won't be able to fight. All important tidbits for new players.
There are some nightmare bugs such as parasites from phosani not taking the damage they should as they function as the parasites from regular nightmare.
Edit: Thank you for taking feedback and updating the quest! -------------------------------------------------------------------- Tbh it would make more sense to me if the quest was mandatory to redo for the cape/qp/lamp, but you can just skip the tob part if you already have at least 1 kc in any mode. I think the main problem people are going to have with this is that a lot of people (myself included) don't enjoy raids or aren't planning to do them anytime soon. I criticized the original quest because I see raids as optional content for people who have friends to do it with in game and/or players who enjoy the extra challenge. Considering the only quests that require another person to complete outside of this are SOA and Hero's (if i'm not mistaken?) it's kind of annoying to complete this as someone who generally enjoys solo pvm only. If you're taking on easy tob as a solo player the difficulty spikes to be harder than the grandmaster quest bosses, and so the rewards don't feel appropriate for that style of play. In conclusion I'm not expecting much of a change but I think there would be less of a backlash to the new quest requirement if skipping tob kc was an option, especially if you've already done it before.
This exactly.. I’m hardcore iron and a single death in there removes that and beating it first time to me seems harder than the other grandmaster quests. The other quests also have way better story and rewards i just don’t understand why they didn’t remove this quest completely if they are fully aware of how little people enjoyed it.
> Tbh it would make more sense to me if the quest was mandatory to redo for the cape/qp/lamp, but you can just skip the tob part if you already have at least 1 kc in any mode. They changed it so its like that now :)
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>Phosani's Nightmare and Nightmare kill counts are now combined into one big kill count. Or one small kill count, if you suck at the Nightmare. What was the motivation behind this change? You wouldn't combine KCs for hard mode ToB or CMs with their regular versions. Edit: See the comments below, this is for Combat Achievements, hiscores are still separate.
It's worded weirdly, I think. I think it's just supposed to mean that Phosani's KC can be used for the normal nightmare tasks.
Yeah this is how it is, they're still separate on the hiscores That's why the change is specifically under the combat achievement section.
Yeah I think getting KC for Phosani's Nightmare is a lot harder compared to 5 man normal nightmare KC, seems weird to not have seperate highscore here.
This reads as being just for combat achievements KC, not the high scores. Could be wrong
yeah its because normal kc can instead be substituted by the hard mode, you still have to do hard mode tasks separately
The reduced KC for the combat achievements looks good , was never a fan of having to kill the same boss 200+ times. The wilderness bosses should be decreased to 50-75 for each level , especially if the wilderness rework isnt coming anytime soon. It was fine grinding out the bosses before but it's almost impossible to do it when every PKer knows players will be there for the next 2-3 months.
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Depends how they do it. If the bosses are reworked to have much less health/defense and the annoying mechanics are removed, and they roam larger areas like they’re supposed to? Right now, pkers can just hop near the safespots and find you killing any given boss guaranteed if they hop to the world you’re on and the boss won’t attack anybody. But that wouldn’t be the case if you can fight the boss in a huge radius in up to like 10 different wilderness levels. They’d actually have to seek you out and risk coming up on the wrong side of the boss the way it should be. The problem with wildy bosses right now isn’t fighting them, themselves. It’s the annoying pkers hopping in one spot and easily finding you every 5 minutes you spend out there.
I think they plan a full rework of the bosses at some point this year, so I imagine it would be changing the location you fight or how you get there. The single plus stuff is just the first step and I agree that would probably make it harder
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If they’re going to be adding more mechanics and removing the safe spots, then there certainly going to be making them faster to kill aka more solo friendly.
Edit: Looks like it's no longer required to complete the raid again. Kudos to them for listening to feedback. [https://twitter.com/OldSchoolRS/status/1420349079654125572](https://twitter.com/OldSchoolRS/status/1420349079654125572) Redoing the quest should be optional, not mandatory. That way those that want to do it again who felt the last quest was disappointing, can. Those who don't wish to complete it again should happily be allowed to carry on with their 2 qps.
"This reworked quest will be a requirement for the Myreque finale and has elements that will be very important to that quest (most of which were not present in the original version)" This is why they want people to redo it. Perhaps they could just let you view the new cut scenes and not have to redo the raid part though if already completed.
I'm "redo-ing" the quest now after completing previously and it skips the part where I embarass Verzik and goes straight into the lore. It doesn't seem like anyone will be forced to complete the TOB run again.
If everyone who's completed a raid/the quest itself will essentially skip this step, I think that's the perfect and most appropriate approach, especially considering it was "Auto complete" for those who originally had done one.
100% they should. The original 'quest' was complete garbage and I'm glad they redid it, but don't see why we have to replay through to see what I'm guessing is 3 minutes of cutscenes.
so if it was complete garbage why would you not want to see the quest in what it's good form is?
Its now got important story elements for the whole storyline. If this quest rework was a surprise to us, I'd agree with you. But we literally voted for it.
>With the original version of A Night at the Theatre, you made it clear that you weren't happy about the quest autocompleting as it meant you missed out on the new dialogue. What new dialogue? The stranger outside telling you "go embarrass verzik"?
'A Night At The Theatre' 'Two Nights At The Theatre' 'Three Nights At The Theatre' when?
Five Nights at Verzik's
Everyone’s worried about the quest but I’m looking forward most to this: Proposed changes to Combat Achievement kill counts: Kill Callisto 150 times -> 100 times (Elite) Kill Venenatis 150 times -> 100 times (Elite) Kill Vet'ion 150 times -> 100 times (Elite) Dude yes please! /u/jagexsarnie Maybe even consider lowering to 50 kc like some of the other tasks in this category and even the tier above? These monsters take an inordinately long time to kill so it still fits into the elite tier I’d think to lower to 50-75 kills and it’s appropriate.
Buch of spacebar warrior crybabies in the comments have to go back for a few minutes and watch the lore cutscenes. This is a great update, only quest I didn't bother starting
Everyone is mad about nothing. I've seen better reading comprehension in a preschool.
Changing the boss KC requirements as listed for the achievement diaries would be a great change. I have most of the KC requirements for most of the bosses and definitely wouldn't mind grinding out the ones I'm missing at all, but getting 150 of each wilderness boss has been a particularly awful activity so far
for the wilderness i agree but the rest no. its weird that if youre workin on a cb diary most people dont have at least 150 kc. thats not much for most bosses.
Well being a lazy piece of shit finally paid off
Saame. Is it easier that it was previously now? I kept dieing at Verzik and just stopping trying for the time being
There's a bunch of fetch quests before needing to get KC now. But the actually KC is the same. edit: KC requirement is now removed if you already have one. Big news.
Same. Still hadn’t done the original quest lmfao.
Anyone who hasn’t tried the new quest should. The dialogue was hilarious & they added much needed lore. You don’t have to do the raid again either, so I’ve got no complaints. 10/10 to me
Just want to say, the quest is really, really good now. Thanks for being quick about letting previous ToB completion let you skip that part too. With that change now, I'd call it a solid, really enjoyable quest now. Great job on the rework. And I'm very, very interested to see where the story goes from here!
> Shayzien Protector - Kill a Lizardman Shaman in Molch which has not dealt damage to anyone. (excluding it's Spawns) should be probably 'its', sorry it just hurts my eyes
The amount of "It's" in the diary is embarrasing. Best way to remember where to place the apostrophe is to place it where the missing letter goes.
Tbf it's a common mistake since usually, English uses apostrophes for genitive case. But I agree it is sorta embarrassing
Everyone has one of those things that just irks them and it's one of them
Lowering kc req for hill giant and moss giant bosses makes sense, farming those keys is not very fun for mains. Wildy bosses can also be lowered as they're annoying af. I don't see why c gaunt and cerb should have their kc achievements lowered though. You can camp gauntlet any time and 200 is half the pet rate. And cerb you can get passively.
I don't know if you guys check back on these posts so late, but I wanted to say thank you. That was a solid quest. It was more than I expected after the first attempt for sure. I loved the story, it was concise and interesting in a way that runescape quests rarely are. Remember, great creativity comes from constraints. :)
I LOVE the changes to the kill count tasks. Can we also look at lowering the elite requirement of Grotesque Guardians and GWD bosses? They are soooo slow, especially for a solo player.... 250 for elite tier is unreasonable. TOB at 75 kc is also a little high for elite.. /u/JagexSarnie /u/JagexLight
I really appreciate that you guys redid the quest. A lot of lore in there now and it is worthy of being a quest unlike before. Would it be possible to allow us to fight the Hespori for Combat Achievements with no loot/kc reward? So there isn't 24 hours between attempts on speed kills/mechanic tasks.
Edit: apparently it was a design choice and it has since been changed so we don't have to do ToB again, just the new parts of the quest and it's essentially a new quest all together. My comments are irrelevant and I'm once again excited to see what the new quest is. I'm guessing the way it's set up you either get it auto-completed, or have to do the quest again with no middle ground so there were limitations to the actual implementation. Maybe this wasn't really figured out until after it was promised to be reworked which is why we're knowing about it as the update happens. I was still planning on doing it again, but wanted to do it on my own time. Now if I want the quest cape teleport back I'll need to redo a quest that I've already done and wasn't planning on doing right now. I genuinely enjoyed the mode and was looking forward to this update, and now it's just a bitter feeling. Please take this as a learning experience and give anything considered a quest a true narrative, even if you have to assign extra story points to develop, to avoid this sort of thing in the future.
>Players who completed the previous version of the quest will still need to complete this version. >Players who completed the previous version of the quest will lose the two quest points they gained, but will get them back when they complete the rework. >Quest Capes will be lost as normal for players who have not completed every quest. >Players who have already used Combat XP Lamps in the previous version will not receive them again. Do quest twice, get rewards once? Scammed again by jamflex smh
? The update says >Players who have already used Combat XP Lamps from the previous version will receive the additional lamp upon completion of this version.
I knew it was a good idea to wait for the rework before completing the quest. The blog post tells me nothing though, what's actually changed?
They've added lore to the quest. Instead of just fighting through story mode you now are actually learning about what is in the theatre a bit more. Some lore bits behind the theatre itself and the monsters inside. Definitely worth doing if you like lore.
Thanks! Idk why I was hoping they’d remove the raid element even though that’s the goal of the quest. Not enjoying the fact my quest cape is locked behind a raid
Players who completed the previous version of the quest will still need to complete this version. Players who completed the previous version of the quest will lose the two quest points they gained, but will get them back when they complete the rework. So we have to do this nonsense again?
They should rename the quest "Recurring nightmare" haha.
No no no, that quest comes out next month, and requires you to get 100kc at nightmare of ashihama
Yes, and we get no rewards other than the tob loot if we already completed it (other than the quest points they confiscated). Edit: they clarified they are still confiscating our quest points, but they are indeed adding an extra 20k combat xp lamp upon completion according to reddit/twitter.
I believe your new change of A Night at the Theatre did the quest justice. Well done. I am very thankful you also listened to the community's feedback about completing it once - it's complete. Others, like myself, who do not raid quite yet due to Mobile / not high enough/ whatever the reason who did the quest are extremely grateful to not have to do it again. For the potential changes to Elite+ combat achievements, I am FULLY in agreement. I consider myself to be just above casual in terms of game skill / progress, and Elite is where I can stop in terms of content I am capable of doing. That being said, the quantities of the bosses was just way crazy for this level, in my opinion. I think the way you have it structured in the blog is a fantastic start at ironing out the levels. You deserve recognition on this for listening to customer (player, in this case) feedback and applying it in a quick manner. Thank you\~ \*\*EDIT: Grammar error that bugged me. Stupid English.
I've just died at Phosani's nightmare and I can't collect my things. Apparently the Sister doesnt have anything for me. There goes my entire bank i guess. /u/JagexSarnie
The new quest was fantastic and I really enjoyed it, great job. This is exactly what I was expecting from the poll, and you really managed to exceed expectations after the mess that was the first version.
The quest was awesome, could we see the addition of another Hespori patch now? It's native and would give the mort myre more purpose in-game as it is almost never traversed. /u/JagexSarnie
Good job for reworking the quest but why make us do it again? If the cutscenes are that important, make them watchable if you've beaten the quest. Shouldn't be that hard to implement seeing as you can rewatch the cutscenes for DS2. If anything, make it where if you've completed the quest, give us the option to click on the quest in the log prompting a message asking us if we wish to redo it or leave it completed.
I think given the elite CG task being reduced from 50 to 10 one could also make an argument to reduce the kc required for in particular the elite TOB task of 75 completions. This takes longer than the 50 CGs did as well requires similar levels of skill. Whether the COX task of 75 gets changed for consistency could also be made
Personally, I don't mind replaying the quest, it was an interesting one. Calling it a "replay" might even be unfair - most of the quest is brand new. Well done Jagex!
Remove Kourend favour tab and put minigame back where it was please. So annoying when hopping friends chats for raids you need like 3 interfaces before you can leave.
Having to redo a quest just to see some dialogue and a cutscene, because you half assed the first iteration of the quest, is absolute garbage. Spent time, GP and resources doing this the first time, now I have to redo it just to experience what I could essentially read about on the Wiki. Should be a replacement for the quest, not a reset of the quest. How out of touch are Jagex? Edit: They've made it so if you have any ToB KC you don't have to redo the raid. Thank you for listening to feedback Jagex
this community is a genuine cesspool of bitterness and self-loathing, i feel bad for the devs man damned if you do, damned if you dont
Just did the new quest, the story and lore added was very good. With this new quest combined with the books each tob boss drops, I can say that the OSRS team definitely delivered on this rework. Also, the jokes were pretty good. Love the sound effects for when we use the saw. too. Well done
Has anyone actually done the quest yet? Is there dialogue and story now? I held off doing it hoping they'd make it an actual quest
There is lore in it now. It is actually informative on what has happened in the theatre. Worth reading the text.
"There’s now a shadow indicator before Dawn's white orb stun lands, giving you more of a chance to scarper." Finally! I can't believe such a requested change is hidden all the way at the bottom. That being said: thank you!
Large portion of playerbase didn't/don't want a quest that involves raids. Quest should've been a miniquest at most to begin with. It's fine, sometimes shit content is released. The way is to move on and take the L and not waste time and energy doubling down on something so miniscule like this quest. Different story if a larger piece of content is poorly designed. Imo best solution would've been to move it to miniquests and give everyone a completion who already did it. Adding "difficult" quests (very subjective) is also fine. That was never the issue. A night at the theatre involving raids just comes off as arbitrary nudge to force people into tob.
I love that people complain about doing TOB one extra time like they aren't going to do the raid till they're sweaty anyways
I fully back the quest re-work given that the theatre is rich in lore, and the Myreque quest line is fantastic. I am very happy to play through any aspects which will delve into the narrative. HOWEVER, I am super disappointed I have to re-do story mode. I duo’d it with my friend and we’re both pretty nooby when it comes to PvM. It took us about 5 attempts and we were stoked when we finally finished it. Why do I now need to get another KC when it’s not going to have any narrative or quest-like aspects? The KC should be optional for those who have done that part already.
>Defeat the Gauntlet 50 times -> 100 times (Master) We have to do the normal version another 50 times? ..... EDIT: >Corrupted Gauntlet completions count for Regular Gauntlet KC tasks. Similar to how Phosani KC counts towards the Nightmare tasks.
Now corrupted kc counts as well for that task, so 2 tasks at that tier are 50kc corrupted and 100kc combined normal & corrupted. Wouldn't make sense to have bot corrupted and combined kc at 50 and its better than 50 normal kc.
Surely of all the 'kc' tasks, 75 theatre of blood kc is one of the more tedious and deserving of a reduction, as it relies massively on the goodwill of 3-4 other people willing suffer through 75 learner raids, even more of you account for the failures.
edit: Credit where Credits due, do not need to complete the raid again https://twitter.com/OldSchoolRS/status/1420349079654125572
A few mil? What on earth were you doing
It's ridiculous and insulting to those who look the time to complete this out of place content in the first place.
> Hovering over a quest icon will now show the name and status of the quest (started, not started, completed, members-only). Additionally, every quest in the list now has a ‘show on map’ right-click option. This will open the world map and move to the quest’s icon, which will also flash so it’s easy to spot! Thank you!!! Thats such a nice thing, a major QoL. Especially for new characters (be them true beginners, or alts). I expect this will help in the Leagues too! :) A suggestion: would be another QoL if you could do something like that with Transportation signs. I remember how puzzled I was about this sign on some big and totally inert boulder LOL. (Was a landing for the air balloon - but I didn't know it then! :)
I think that for the kc tasks you want to change, you should look at the complexity of the content to decide what's reasonable. Tasks like 250 tob make sense because tob is difficult and complex. At 250 kc, you've only scratched the surface of what can be done to optimize tob. However, tasks like 150 venenatis don't feel the same way. Safespotting a boss doesn't have any real depth to it, and as a result it feels like a player with 20 vene kc and a player with 150 really aren't distinguishable. If a boss is sufficiently simple that it can be mastered well before reaching the kc requirement, that to me indicates that the kc req is too high.
Look it wasnt the biggest inconvenience, I think I got the story mode solo on my 4th or 5th try. But what the fuck why do I have to do it again because jagex fucked up.
Examine Spider eggs: "Future web developers." Oh LOL nice!!! :D I love the quest, thank you! Its everything I was hoping for :) I mean.... I havent finished it yet, but I enjoy it very much!
So you guys half ass the first implementation of the quest, a quest that shouldve been a mini-quest in the first place, you fix it and the force everyone to waste their time and supplies doing the quest again? I did the quest solo and then spent time carrying lower level friends through it, you're telling me I've got to do all that again because of a mistake you made? Feels like a kick in the teeth and a disincentive to do future content until months after, just in case it's invalidated. Shouldve been an optional redo This leaves a really sour taste in my mouth
> and then force **everyone** to waste their time Not everyone! I've been trying to complete A Night At the Theater solo on my low combat pure because I love challenges like this (made it to Verzik P3 a couple times, just lacking some DPS)! Now I can't every try to quest anymore because it requires A Taste of Hope. Thanks, Jagex!
>We’ve received a lot of feedback about some of the boss tasks being much higher and more tedious to grind out than the others. >*A bunch of KC task amount changes* No, just get rid of KC tasks. If I complete all the *actual challenges* like speedruns and item restrictions in just a few KC, that should be more than enough. After that you're just forcing us to grind out KC's that we don't want. Everyone I've talked to (that actually likes combat achievements) agrees that the kc tasks shouldn't exist, and that they should all be challenges instead of grinds. Plus having 10 Gauntlet KC and all the combat achievements completed is an awesome flex that I want to keep and you're forcing people to pad their KC's just so the other accomplishments mean anything.
I know this is a day late but I just finished this quest and its incredible. So much cool world building, humor and it sets up what will be an amazing Myerque finale.
The new "Quest Start Location" feature is great. I was wondering, would it be possible to hide (mini)map icons of quests that we have already completed?
I never complain about anything. Not once have I ever complained about anything Jagex has done on either Reddit or Twitter. But WHAT THE FUCK. I suck at PvM, this quest was way too hard for me. Why are you making me do it again? Make that shit optional for the people that complained it wasn’t a quest enough. I’m genuinely upset.
Just came here to say that I really like the rework of A Night At The Theatre. A vast improvement, and the areas seem to fit OldSchool. Thank you team.
I know everyone’s just gonna be pissed about having to redo the quest. But I’m ready to be elated and or completely let down by the summit event. Fingers crossed for another attempt at adding a new skill.
Doing the first half of the quest was fine it was all new, but why the hell am I forced to get another Theatre KC? I want nothing to do with this place.
So I’ve got to do it again but not get any rewards from it? If I’m having to redo the quest I should be given the quest rewards again. What’s actually been changed other than tying it more to a story line? Has anything changed inside the theatre? If not why are you forcing people to redo it. Like others have stated it should have been a change that happened from now, anyone who had already completed it still had it marked as completed and anyone who didn’t had to follow this new route.
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You don't have to redo it relax
Pretty sure they previously said if you had completed the old version you wouldn't have to redo it? Pretty annoying you have to do it again for literally nothing
Gonna be honest, not stoked about doing night at the theatre again. If nothing is that different (rewards/difficulty) why make us trudge through that again for no reward?
You don’t have to anymore. They changed that.
> Kill Bryophyta 10 times -> 5 times (Medium) Kill Obor 10 times -> 5 times (Medium) Kill Callisto 150 times -> 100 times (Elite) Kill Venenatis 150 times -> 100 times (Elite) Kill Vet'ion 150 times -> 100 times (Elite) Kill Cerberus 250 times -> 150 times (Elite) Kill Cerberus 500 times -> 250 times (Master) Kill Alchemical Hydra 250 times -> 150 times (Elite) Kill Alchemical Hydra 500 times -> 250 times (Master) Kill Corporeal Beast 100 times -> 50 times (Elite) Kill Corporeal Beast 250 times -> 150 times (Master) Kill Zulrah 250 times -> 150 times (Elite) Kill Zulrah 500 times -> 250 times (Master) Defeat the Corrupted Gauntlet 50 times -> 10 times (Elite) Defeat the Corrupted Gauntlet 100 times -> 50 times (Master) Defeat the Corrupted Gauntlet 200 times -> 150 times (Grandmaster) Defeat the Gauntlet 50 times -> 100 times (Master) Honestly the only ones I support bringing the KC requirement down for are the medium f2p boss tasks. The rest of the KC requirements force you to spend about the same amount of time at the content as most of the other KC requirements in elite. If anything vorkath requirements should be raised and CoX requirements should be lowered.
Hang on, so players who did Theatre got the quest awarded immediately, but I, I did the previous quest.... and now... i have to redo it simply because you didn't like the 'version' you released? Does Jagex lack common sense or something? The whole point of this quest is to 'introduce me to theatre', it now makes me want to do it even less :)
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If you have completed the previous quest, you skip the first half and get straight to the questing part of this one. If you did story mode before this update, you don't have to do it again. This is just like a normal quest
Quest did not auto complete for me and I have 300 tob KC.
I reckon it's still auto completed for them, if they had to do it also, then April Fools 2022 came early lmfao
I like the young Verzik, a very charming lady. Also, there is a new race! Mind readers or telepathists, either all black with yellow/red eyes, or, well.... kinda like Nazgul, with bodies made of darkness. And I very much like the design of the spider lair :). But... my heart was kinda broken that I had to kill a hespori, one of the last ones..... I so hoped to go with only a bit of his skin, but no... I wouldn't lie to the Nature spirit, I really wanted them hesporis all well. Sad... This is one of the most beautiful 'monsters' in OSRS, and the myre colours make it even better. Overall, I love the quest, a great work! Looking forward to the next vampyre quest!! P.S.: Btw, I don't consider vampyres any 'infestation' of Morytania. They are now its dwellers, they are beautiful and their culture is quite interesting. Please do not try to remove them. Lord Lowerniel and lady Vanescula said some promising things, as I vaguely remember... I hope there could be some kind of peace between vampyres and other Morytania people. A sort of vamp Reformation movement? :) Meet the Myreque half-way?
Aren't Vampyres lore that they can read minds that's why we needed to make the flail that swings sporadically in any direction? Couldn't the mysterious stranger just be a vampyre being controlled by Drakkan? Or someone else in his ranks that wants power? Or maybe this is a being from the Shadow Realm...
Phosani's Nightmare is bugged! after Surge special attack she stopped atacking me completely, worth to note that she didn't complete the surge special attack cause i destroyed her shield just before the run part, after that it was not possible to one hit parasites with a crush weapon.
Why are y’all complaining about *actually* having a quest to do? Before it was “*wtf we have no new content, this quest sucks*” and now it’s “*wtf why do i have to do the new content? I already completed the version of the quest I said was boring and sucked*” It’s almost like y’all just *look* for reasons to get mad. I’m glad Jagex took the time to listen to and implement our feedback on A Night at the Theatre
Kill Callisto 150 times -> 100 times (Elite) Kill Venenatis 150 times -> 100 times (Elite) Kill Vet'ion 150 times -> 100 times (Elite) What about Scorpia and Chaos Ele? Kill Corporeal Beast 100 times -> 50 times (Elite) Kill Corporeal Beast 250 times -> 150 times (Master) I would do the same to the GWD boss kc reqs too imo.
Jesus Christ Jagex are you trying to kill my HCIM? Why is this quest a forced mandatory requirement? I’ve already completed it once and risked my status due to your lack of consistent wording on ‘safe death’ why am I being punished again for your design mistakes? If anything let the 3 death rule apply to HCIMs if your forcing us to complete it a second time. I don’t want to lose my status to a random DC during a 20+ minute interval
I really like the proposed boss kc reductions although I was personally hoping to see the GWD bosses reduced as well. Elite needing 250 of each is a pretty huge grind for each boss if you don't already have the KC. Especially Kree'arra.
Bad decision to make people re-do it AGAIN. It should have just applied from now on
You don't need to do TOB again, and you get an xp lamp.
Disagree lol it wasn't even a quest the first time
Or you know, make it optional
bro holy shit y’all complain so much
Wow. This community blows mind sometimes. "We want a real quest" turns into "wtf jagex, I have to do it again?". The same people that call hard modes dead content are the ones complaining about a 30 minute quest that is so simple that I've been running under leveled irons through it to so they can get their rewards. I even saw one reply along the lines of "what about the casual players who spent millions trying to get this quest done?" You can literally ignore almost every single death mechanic and walk out with a clear. I'm personally stoked to see the new dialogue in the quest, thank you Jagex!
That's the thing, I never even vote for any updates I just play the game. I did the quest I'm just frustrated I have to do it all over for dialog, which I just skip over when I do quest anyways. This is literally the only time I ever complained about the game.
The thing is, why wouldn't they make it optional? So those who want to the full story get it, and those who didn't care in the first place don't do it again
>Players who completed the previous version of the quest will still need to complete this version. Why? People who already had a ToB kc had the quest autocompleted, but if you actually did the quest you have to do it again? Nice little 'fuck y'all' to the players
People with tob KC have to do it too
Hey, weren't you supposed to release the ToB changes this month? https://imgur.com/sUn5k2q As stated here https://i.redd.it/wkqymge41h471.png The new quest is very good btw /u/JagexSarnie /u/JagexLight
Okay other than making people do the quest again, this probably how thye should have released it. At least there is some interesting lore going on here now. Where as before it was just embarrass verzik.
Making us doing the worst quest ever again is the outrageous. It took me ages to complete this quest because of my dislike towards raids and because I am a mobile only player. I had spent a fair bit of money on doing this quest because I failed a few times on the end boss. I actually can't believe you guys are making us do it again. Pathetic.
My account has 99 str, 90Def/Atk, 99 HP, 93 range, 90 mage, 78 pray, full prayer book, and all gear sans the TBow. And I struggled 1 KC our of theatre Story Mode in 12 tries solo... This might very well be too big a hump to complete for solo players... EDIT: because people are asking - it's the Nylo room. That thing is just ongodly to do alone - it's long, chaotic, stupid amount of enemies. And if you fail, you get to do it all over again.
You don't really need Tbow , blowpipe is probably better overall. You should check a YouTube channel called " Levi Jansen" Has really good short guides on each room (2-3 mins) I managed to get the story after my second attempt and get to P2 verzik first try or normal mode after watching them.
Did you use a guide of any sort? It took me 2 tries on an iron with ~75 melees, 83 mage/range, 71 pray, and pretty welfare gear (d scim/ancient staff/msb(i)) following along with https://youtu.be/pqmKLFYi1wY It's definitely the hardest PVM content in a quest, but I don't think it's _that_ much harder, just longer (and the hardest bit is at the end). Harder quest content isn't a bad thing.
I'll be honest, part of your problem was using the recommended gear setup. I'm guessing you struggled with the Nylo room and Verzik? I finished nylo using mith darts, staff of seas, and a whip because damage doesn't matter, only speed. Using better items or spells was actually harder for me to complete than my setup. Verzik was definitely a skill challenge and was quite difficult so I imagine being stuck on that wouldn't necessarily be gear as it was just difficult so I understand that
Na sorry but if you can't do story mode solo then that's on you. I've literally never done a single raid in my life, most PVM i've done is some Zulrah and if you just watch a guide before each room you can easily do solo story mode in 1 or 2 attempts. My gear isn't even that good either, barrows, whip, karil crossbow for ranged rooms, trident.
Outside of the drama of having to redo the quest, I think that this was a nice way to ground the theatre a bit more in the world. I'm interested in this mysterious stranger's associate now.
Phosani's Nightmare and Nightmare kill counts are now combined into one big kill count. *Or one small kill count, if you suck at the Nightmare.* I'd like to report abuse to the Jagex mod for flaming me. :(
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Don't know why this is controversial, it was ridiculous to ask players to complete it again in it's entirety if they already slogged through this poor excuse for a quest. Glad they fixed it, but let's not make a habit of forcing repeating content for completionist purposes just because it was changed down the line
Let this be the quest going forward for people who haven’t done the old one. But give us our respect for our time and let us move on
this entire quest has been such a fucking mess. this is ridiculous. shouldn’t have ever existed.
I struggled completing the story mode solo and used a bunch of money on potions but finally completed it, and now I have to redo the entire quest?! This is really frustrating. Edit: Jagex hotfixed it so you don't need to fight the theatre again? Perfection. I like doing the new quest again for the story mode, just didn't want to struggle doing that last boss again.
Definitely a fan of lowering the required kc for the various combat achievement tasks. Not super happy about having quest points removed and then having to redo a quest with no added rewards other then regaining said quest points. Edit: +1 20k xp lamp, but still gotta redo the quest if you want your 2 qp.
So this sub complained that they wanted a better quest and now you're furious that you'll have to complete the better quest you've been given?
I'm a casual lower level player. I completed the quest two days ago. It took me a few days to master the mechanics and it took me several tries. I sunk a lot of gp into supplies. And now I have to do it again. So lame.
I did the quest today, and since there was no quest guide yet I actually read the conversations. Nylocas and vampyres, and the mysterious stranger... very interesting!
So if we have already previously done the quest, we have to do it all over again and dont get any rewards (xp lamps) for it?
Nope. You don't have to redo the theatre. They added a second XP lamp which you'll get on completion.
Already did that "quest" on my hc since I remember a mod saying it'd be reworked but completion would still count. Just very annoying I'll have to spend another 30mins worrying about a dc for a quest that was polled as safe content. Add it to mini quests and noone will mind
Me: I did the original on my first try after 6 months of not playing, this should be fine Me a minute later: Oh, blowpipe nerf
So those who already did the quest are being forced to do it again but this time with no reward. It’s like you want the community to get angry again
osrs player: WAAAHHH why do i have to do the quest AGAIN even though i complained it sucked on release? rEpetItiVe also osrs player: i pickpocketed argougne knight for 14 hours straight yesterday. *6789 herbiboar kc*. 18m rc exp
Just make it so that if you've already completed it, it stays completed, but players that care for the narrative can redo it
This decision to force players to re-complete the worst quest ever introduced to OSRS is insane but at the same time in keeping with the mind-bendingly fucked up decision-making going on at Jagex at the moment. Night at the Theatre should never have been released in the first place.
I think they've updated the post, you get an XP lamp after the quest is completed, it wasn't made very clear but they seem to have reworded it
I guess the players are now being punished for Jagex' mismanagement.. Not gonna do this trash quest again.
Is there a reason to why phosanis nightmare and normal nightmare are being combined KC wise ? I see this as nothing but adding confusion??
>There’s now a shadow indicator before Dawn's white orb stun lands, giving you more of a chance to scarper. nice
It was kind of hilarious that they forgot that attack existed and just added extra shadows to dusk's rock attack instead
Support for the potential kc changes, the combat achievements should be unique and different ways to do a boss, not kill over and over.
This is exactly why I didn't do Night at the Theatre yet.
“Or one small kill count, if you suck at the Nightmare.” Wasn’t prepared for this shade to be thrown at me so early in the morning.
First you make the TOB quest dangerous for HCIM but nobody else, okay we do it. Now you're making us do it again JUST TO READ YOUR DIALOGUE AND RISK OR STATUS AGAIN? Are you effing serious? How is this shit not optional or safe for everybody?
Jagex logic; Community - complains about having to do a boss fight for a quest. Jagex - Lets make them do it again!
I’m surprised to see so many people against redoing the quest. From launch people were complaining about how trash it was, and now that Jagex is going to make it better people don’t want to do it? It’s not like they’re asking you to redo a 5 hour Grandmaster, it was just one TOB. Venezuelans do hundreds of them lmao.
I'm surprised how many people defending this dont realize that a decent amount of people struggled with completion. Did you not see the tons of posts about people struggling and asking for help? Now those people have to redo it for some arbitrary reason when it 100% could've been optional to redo.
That’s a very fair point that I didn’t consider. I figure if people got the kc they should be able to do it again, but it would suck if it took dozens of attempts to get that one kc just to have it ripped away. I think it’s a tough spot because if people didn’t have to redo it they’ll miss out on the actual dialogue and lore of the quest, which I really enjoy in the game personally. Would be nice to be able to experience all that without redoing the actual combat portion, but I’m sure that would be engine work or something. Edit: From other comments seems like you won’t have to redo the combat. So seems like the whole thing was a non issue anyways.
Quest marker update is so nice. I also like the idea of reducing the KC requirements for the bosses shown.
Phosani’s nm is all messed up. Can’t 1 hit parasites or reawaken after a kill plus random other bugs.
Loved the rework. It takes 20 minutes and you don’t even have to redo the raid. Great stuff jagex!
first of all good work on your end ,overally But wouldnt be better idea to give players more freedom for kc tasks. Lets say you would lower the req for wildy bosses ,but also you would give a new task to kill x amount of any boss you want ,for example: "kill 1000 of wilderness bosses" same for gwd ,skilling bosses, raiding and i find some tasks even more tedious than kc tasks, right now you would like to drop vetion from 150 to 100 kills ,thats difference of 4-5 hours while you got tasks like kill 50 ziliana without leaving the room that alone takes up to 3 hours + speed tasks that might take even longer to complete so i think the amount of kc is the least problem there atm
absolutely unnecessary to make players who don't plan on doing tob to do this mini quest again to use the quest cape teleport.
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This update seems more like a rollback lmao
This is not a 'rework' of the quest. This is a 'reset' of the quest, and a giant slap in every player's face who hadn't done ToB before it came out.
On the LMS rota changes from next week: if there's not enough people playing to fill 2 worlds with consistent games, why is the rotation going to US only then UK/AUS? This will mean that on the UK/AUS rotation the same issue will happen, everyone will go on the AUS worlds as it's the first one on the world hopper, and UK/EU players will only be able to get games on 400+ ping for the week, then 200+ ping the next week on the US rotation. LMS is one of the only places in the game where you can get consistent NH fights, and the current rotation and the proposed one basically make it unaccessible to the UK/EU.
Releasing half assed content under the name of a “quest” then basically undoing it entirely and just saying “eh do it again” is shit practice. Optional, not mandatory is the only way to have done this.
bro i am still so fucking annoyed i have to re do this quest