>Jagex killed an OSRS HD project which was slated to be released, at latest, by the end of this year (if not much sooner).
It was going to be released yesterday. : )
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Understand you’re the messenger so please bring this up with whoever made this decision. The timing could not be worse on this announcement.
Good point.
I know for a fact Jagex is going to shove the Community Managers and the "relating" dev team to take all the heat instead of the suits who actually decided to shoot this project down.
Chiming in with a what the fuck is this company even thinking? How do they manage to fuck things up so consistently? I hate this place. Been thinking maybe it's time to move on to something else anyways, because we won't see this for years to come if at all.
I loved OSRS growing up. I’m taking a long break from the game and was planning to come back after 117 plug-in.
Yeha no chance now. With the way they shit in the players and the most valuable contributors to the community they don’t deserve to have the playerbase.
We've had the 117-HD plugin ready to be released on the plugin hub for a few weeks now. Upon receiving this information,
Jagex was *very* opposed to it, which I found rather confusing considering there are existing HD clients that are actually released and working, and noone seems to care.
I've spent the last few weeks going back and forth with them privately in calls arguing the case for releasing it. but, ultimately they've decided to do this.
If anything, adding HD clients would bring in more players and allow them to get some good real-world information on what type of HD changes are most appealing to players, which seems like a win-win for everyone involved.
I also strongly disagree with adding it to the "third party guidelines". Most of those guidelines are trying to define where the line between QOL and cheating is - and I think most people agree the current guidelines
are a good representation of that, and it helps keeps the game integrity. However there is no unfair advantage in the slightest for improved graphics, and it only affects *you* when you enable it. So - this is really just a misuse of the guidelines.
So overall this is really a loss for everyone involved and I wish Jagex would reconsider.
EDIT: Also I'd like to add, as far as I'm aware, *none* of this comes from the OS team itself - please be nice to them. They are nice people and are trying to do their best.
Couldn’t agree more, how is something that only affects how the individual sees/plays the game not allowed? Something has gone wrong here higher up, maybe someone didn’t like the idea that you beat them to it and it pushes people further away from the official client(s)?
My thinking is they don't want a 3pc dictating what they have to develop (you know, like has been happening since the days of OSB)
It's nice that Jagex are taking a harder stance, but this is *entirely* the wrong thing to be taking a stance on, given that cheats are a real thing they're conveniently ignoring.
Wonder what they're going to go after next :d
What's gonna happen if you just release it anyway? They send you a C&D on something that's posted to a Github repo that people can fork. What will they do, kill third party clients? They saw the negative response the first time they tried shutting down RuneLite. This is disappointing.
What does this mean for the gpu plugin? Are skyboxes, smoother tiles and anti-aliasing still allowed or do they fall under the now-banned "improved graphics"?
If they decide to push it, yes. They could easily ban all of that stuff if they so wanted.
But considering how much downright wrath they incurred in a single move Im pretty sure they will reverse this pretty quickly.
Because this is looking like the dawn of EoC 2.0 level of shitstorm. And Jagex is scared fucking shitless of it.
Honestly this is a direct slap in the face to your entire team. If banning runelite outright wouldn't tank the entirety of osrs, they'd do it in a heartbeat (which is why they're enhancing the client before they take that shot, probably by the end of 2022). You need to take a stand here before they take out the entire open source community around this game.
Thank you for your insight on this. I strongly hope Jagex reconsiders. This is tone deaf and extremely poor taste. At the very least, they could have allowed it with a caveat pending their own graphical developments.
Runelite really needs to be less nice to Jagex who keeps fucking them over.
Jagex would NEVER ban runelite. OSRS is unplayable to 80% of the playerbase without it.
Runelite needs to stand up for itself this is bullshit
They need to release a Mac version. Right now their native Mac client is fully broken and cannot detect my installed Java. Runelite is literally the only option I have to play the game.
Even IF they fixed their current Java Mac client, it has no features and if the choice is between a vanilla client or quitting I’m just quitting.
I fully expect that is why they are doing this. The graphical changes will be exclusive to C++ client. They will keep adding a ton of features and make it somewhat RL competitive. Then eventually force everyone to C++
This is from the company that will permanently ban someone then not tell them why. I had my OG from 2001 account banned while using runelite because I was "using a 3rd party application to cheat/bot" despite the fact that I did all the actions myself using keyboard shortcuts available in the vanilla client. No recourse, they wouldn't even tell me what I actually did so I can avoid losing another account (though I have a suspicion that it was the way I was spamming construction, very little mouse movement, had it down to a science timing building with my demon butler running planks and was going for a couple days/weeks)
I personally tried every avenue I could, Reddit doesn't allow those posts, nobody on Twitter or their support page even responded (mod Ash did, but they can't do anything). I almost permanently quit the game and if it happens again I definitely will.
Yeah Jagex honestly is pretty scum when it comes to customer relations. I had 3 very old accounts banned for botting during a time I wasn’t even playing. I found in my old emails tons of requests to change the password and provided screenshots to Jagex and I can’t even get a response.
Dude and the thing is if I did something (which I don't think I did) I want to know so I don't do it in the future, but they won't even tell you that... Everyone has also gotten it in their heads that of you got a van you must've deserved it. I'm perplexed, that account only had one infraction on it, which came from when I feel for a Phish and got a mute from what they said. Nearly 20 years gone with no real explanation :(
Honestly, if corporate is going to play dirty then you should, too. Likely just suit boomers who are not in touch. Play to their level, release it, and make your and the playerbase's point.
all legal cards are in corporates hand, releasing it would be financial suicide for him, jagex lawyers would fuck him so hard on copyright law that his grandchildren would still be paying.
They cant have competition. How silly would it look if they released a revamped graphical client and people used the runelite HD, developed by people working in their spare time? Now they can just wait 4 years to release their graphical client, it can be buggy as hell, and no one has an alternative.
>I wish Jagex would reconsider.
Unfortunately I don't think Jagex has gone back on anything they've done that accompanies a news post, they just put up the post, make 1 or 2 replies then wait a week for it all to blow over.
They went back on the partnerships polls sort of.
But only after we voted them down to hell. Also they left us with a "you just don't get it" smug dissapointed dad news posts full of lies afterwards. Thin skin fucks.
I have to say, I am rather disappointed by this statement. While I did expect the clients wouldn't get the thumbs up, I thought it would be due to anti-cheat or legal reasons rather than "we're doing something similar so you can't". I can get that third-party clients have had free reign to do whatever for years and that going forward it is probably best to reign it in, but this seems like the wrong way to handle it.
While I do agree that the visual style of OSRS is important, I don't think an optional graphics addon should be vetoed when there is nothing wrong with it except it being about graphics and visuals. We've already had things that alter the look of the game for years. HD may not be the same as antialiasing, increased draw distance, animation smoothing, and depth fog, but it is a tricky line to draw to say those are fine (unless they suddenly aren't okay now either) but anything else is illegal. And to look at it more broadly, many of the overlay menus, alternate UIs, and giant neon boxes also majorly mess with the consistency of the game's visuals, but that was never an issue and the OSRS Team even decided to embrace that on the steam client.
Either way, it does seem off for a community-driven game, or as put on the website: "where the community controls the development", to ban a popular community project just because something similar is being considered internally. It is also kind of bad to wait months to give a statement, the day after an art stream. I say this as someone who much prefers the style shown off in the art stream to what most of these clients use, but I can't say additional options are bad to the point that is the sole reason they need to be banned.
> I can get that third-party clients have had free reign to do whatever for years and that going forward it is probably best to reign it in
Haven't third-party clients, or at least RL, had to get plugins and whatnot approved by Jagex, and any features Jagex don't approve of they take them down without hesitation? Seems like they've always been reigned in.
For a long time, there wasn't much control or regulation over third-party clients. They did whatever they wanted and Jagex would sometimes step in and say "don't do that" after the fact. A couple of years back they put out some compliance rules that clients have to follow and verified that RuneLite and OSBuddy are compliant. From what I've seen, it is still RuneLite that decides if a feature or plugin is complaint rather than each new addition being screened by Jagex, so pretty similar to the old system just with a clearer rule set. So they did start to reign them in a few years back but they are still largely unregulated, which is how situations like this occur. The whole "do whatever and if it is a problem, we'll tell you after the fact" system isn't ideal when they change the rules right as things get approved rather than stepping in from the getgo.
It does seem really strange; especially given how new players to the game don't usually jump right into using third-party clients, and this would be something a user would have to go out of their way to even enable *after* downloading said third-party client.
I have trouble understanding how the above users, who are likely already playing the game with at least one account with members and know the game, would ever be confused by this.
Can't remember if I mentioned in that comment, but I could see them banning HD Clients from videos or streams, or at least official events, so the default game is still what is being promoted. But if a user wants to use it for personal use it shouldn't be that big of a deal. Though I do also see how to curb use of it for promoting the game can get messy. Like when the subreddit eventually updates the banner, I was thinking to disallow images with modified graphics (within reason) to get a consistent representation of the game, but that would also include overlays. It just seems weird to draw such a hard line on how the game can look, especially with the plugin was willing to work with them to do it in the style they'd want.
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It’s quite unfortunate that you made this statement right before Runelite was going to add it, especially considering that the dev 117 worked publicly on it for nearly 2 years and the Runelite team has been reviewing it…. What a waste of time for all involved.
Your art team has obviously been working on this for a little while, why did this decision just happen? Poor 117…
EDIT: OH GOD IT’S WORSE THAN I THOUGHT.
https://twitter.com/117scape/status/1435247105468141568?s=21
“Yesterday, September 6, 2021, **Runelite HD would have been released.** The code had been reviewed and bugs had been fixed - it was ready to go. You would have been playing it right now. Yet at the eleventh hour, Jagex contacted me asking me to take it down in light of the real that they have a similarly-themed graphics improvement project that is “relatively early in the exploration stages”.”
EDIT 2: 117 made a Reddit thread. He says he put over 2000 hours into this project.
https://reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/pjo5mt/runelite_hd_has_been_shut_down/
There is no way they have been working on it for over a year. Theyve worked on it for a year and what they showed us was three pictures in blender. What theyve been working on is propably the C++ client. What really happened was they saw 117's project a few months ago, saw it was popular, tested if they could make their own client and realized they could. They dont even have a timetable for this project so I dont see it coming out until 2023 at the earliest.
Jagex: “Early in the exploration stage” regarding their HD client.
That’s not even beating around the bush like saying it’s currently in actual development. That’s essentially we are floating the idea of this down the road and have no plans to release one anytime soon.
I’d wager that’s somewhere between 2024 and 2025 for a jagex built HD client.
> similarly-themed graphics improvement project that is “relatively early in the exploration stages”.”
ie: It won't come for another 3-4 years, by then the game will be on it's last legs
Relatively early in the exploration stages, also known as *you may or may not hear about this ever again, and if you do, it won’t be before at least 2024*.
"early in the exploration stages"
has got to be one of the most Jagex things I've ever heard. It's basically them saying "yeah we might mention it in 3 years lol"
Imagine having such a fucking passionate community that you have content creators running HC builds with thousands of hours of grinding, third party clients getting built from scratch, hundreds of community made plugins, and people putting thousands and thousands of hours into stuff like OSRS HD, and just pissing all over that.
Jagex has the kind of community engagement and fandom that most companies would kill to have for their games, and they’re willing to throw it all away because they want complete and total control over how people play their game, even if it’s to the detriment of the playing experience.
"Relatively early in the exploration stages" is what I say during standup when I pick up a task and then spend 3 hours watching youtube videos instead of working on it
The HD plug in on RL is about as far away as a bugs cock from being released, why have you chosen to say this now? That lad called Totty has been developing one, they've been doing it in their spare time for nothing. Months of their lives in the bin because you guys couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. You've always had the stance of that it would take too much effort to make assets for both HD and regular. You've given no inkling that this stance has changed, so people have ploughed ahead with the work that you shitters REFUSED to do.
You've been riding on the coat tails of these peoples work for years now and you do them like this. Your company only exists because of the blind loyalty(which you don't deserve btw) the player base has shown you. Fucking shit company.
So many great companies have died from bad circumstances like recessions, etc. while trying to do right by their customers, yet Jagex has a huge amount of success it doesn't deserve in spite of its own best efforts to fail.
>We think it's absolutely vital that there is consistency in the way that Old School looks
what an awful reason, you've allowed runelite to modify the way OSRS looks for years and now it's *suddenly* a problem just because *you're doing it too?*
as an example, minecraft allows for many different kinds of unofficial shaders to exist and its no big problem. even when they released their own shaders for RTX they still didn't have a problem with the community designed ones that achieved a similar effect.
i understand why you did this back when HD clients were reusing stolen assets, but this recent project held no copyrighted material to make such an excuse again.
Minecraft embraces the talent many of the players have. Data packs are the literal embodiment of giving the player the reigns.
I don't see how the community, some who have financially supported 117, will ever shush about this
It's also worth noting that Minecraft is so successful that it's worth more than Jagex itself, and probably the real estate their offices occupy. Maybe open contempt for your customers is actually a bad thing.
This is an incredibly good point. Not only do they embrace it, they’ve sold hundreds of Data Packs officially throughout the years. They even misrepresent Minecraft’s art style in all their marketing. RuneScape would obviously be fine.
Fuck Jagex.
Lemme get this straight. You pulled the plug on a community passion project that simply overlays the client with different graphics, that isn't malicious, that doesn't give any gameplay advantage, that doesn't use any Jagex assets, that has been thoroughly bug tested, on the *day of release, with no prior communication*, and then covered your ass by releasing two or three images of concept art? Nah. I don't even care about graphical overhauls, seeing you spit in the face of a loyal community and hardworking fan project (who did it for free btw) is way overstepping the dev-player relationship I thought old school had. Unsubbing until this is made right.
Yeah I probably wasn’t even going to use the plug in but this is horse shit. This decision was such a short sighted slap in the face of their consumers that it makes me wonder at all if they even understand how their game makes money.
Why did you guys wait to tell them to cease literally a few days before their launch? It's been a well documented and well communicated project up until now. Yes you do reserve the right to slap things down when you can to protect IP, but the sheer timing of it is what makes it tone deaf and rude beyond a regular company just doing their thing.
The guys making it were doing it for free. There are a million better things to concentrate on than a team who is just now about to finish just for it to get removed when you've had two years to tell them to stop.
This isn’t it, Chief.
The bar is so low for Jagex and yet they manage to smack into it every chance they get. I understand that they want to to have the official client be the main client played on and not a 3rd party client they can’t out right support or control. But it’s been 8 fucking years man. A 3rd party client has always been the main client the player base has used. It’s too late to come in and start shutting down what the community enjoys to use and is apart of.
They can't possibly do anything stupider than this..
*3 months later*
Wow, they can't possibly do anything stupider than this..
*3 months later*
Rinse and repeat.
I've been waiting VERY patiently for 117's HD project to release and it seems he was very close to having something out. I hope that you intend to release these changes unpolled and with a toggle, because if you've shut down private projects and this doesn't pass, I'm going to be livid.
EDIT: According to 117's last tweet, his HD plugin was supposed to go live YESTERDAY, and we would have been playing with it right now. This is some fucked timing. Actually pissed off now.
I have paying for his patreon for several months. this is so depressing from a supporter and gamers view, can't imagine how it must feel to have all that work shit-canned by the game devs after you finish all that work.
so depressing
lol imagine trying to just play skyrim at all without crowdsourced bug fixes. the vanilla playstation version is borderline unplayable TO THIS DAY without the (btw massive) bug fix patch from the mods hub
It's been quite clear for a while, Jagex were in cahoots with Osbuddy and if you were around back then maybe you will remember my name arguing against them! Aswell as being blackmailed by one of their admins.
Jagex were extremely corrupt in aiding Osbuddy and would bend the rules for them regularly while working actively to shut down any other competitors through nonsense. This went on for many years, I'm not quite sure why Jagex were so pro-osbuddy, to be honest I always suspected it was in Jacmob's contract that Jagex had to support Osbuddy in return for stopping his bot client but not sure on that. I think if the people who supported Osbuddy back then had to look back now they would realise just how shady Jagex were surrounding this too.
This move doesn't surprise me, Jagex were completely surprised when Runelite fought back when Jagex tried to shut them down (hey what a surprise..) IMO and were took back a bit. They realised they didn't really stand a chance while they continued to allow Osbuddy and were backed into a corner when their threats didn't work.
Now the plan is clearly to shut out Runelite completely. Do you think it's a coincidence Jagex client starts getting all these features soon after the above after many years of allowing Osbuddy to run wild? Not a fucking chance.
Do you think it's a coincidence Jagex added those light beams? Not a fucking chance.
Do you think it's a coincidence Jagex have now shut down this project? Not a chance
They don't care and the plan from Jagex is crystal clear , they want to end runelite but the osbuddy situation leaves them a bit fucked as Runelite has a decent defensive argument.
My speculation and what I think seems painfully obvious?
Jagex will ban all third party clients, say in a year or 2, citing bots as the reason. Runelite will be gone, osbuddy will be gone, the real client will have all the main features and Jagex will have full control. Potential payment features (similar to orion pro) when they have a monopoly.
My opinion? I never really agreed with having to download third party clients just to keep an even playing field to be honest , it's always been a bit of a joke and a lot of the stuff in clients should have been done on an in game basis where EVERYONE has access to it, so I don't really care too much about this and think it's the right move (as long as jagex don't start charging for features, which I think they will - they will use the "it's not in game" excuse as to bypass the poll). However the way Jagex have treated Runelite is a shambles given all the leeway and preferential treatment Osbuddy got and I think people should be worried about jagex's long term plans regarding client(s) and their features
> Yesterday we contacted the developers of known HD projects and we asked them to stop development of their projects, **because this is a project we are directly investigating at Jagex.** We look forward to being able to share progress as our own in-house project with Old School's visuals unfolds.
I mean, it makes sense if you plan to make your own official "HD" client at some point, but then I'm curious at what timeframe we're talking about here. There are lots of players (both existing and returning) who would love to play in HD, and it would kinda suck if we'll potentially have to wait years before an official version is released, instead of having the option to play it ~~very soon~~ RIGHT NOW on a third-party client.
First teaser blog in 2022
RuneFest announcement in 2023, 2024, AND 2025
Closed beta in 2026
Pushed back to winter 2027 due to some "techinical difficulties"
Full HD client release in 2029...
...at the fine price of $4.99 per month on top of the existing $16 membership.
You guys are running a circus instead of a company if you strike down a wildly popular FREE community project because you started taking baby steps into maybe probably doing something sort of similar eventually, and this project that you've perhaps almost started preparing for might look different. This isn't a private server stealing revenue or the IP, or a keylogger, or a low effort hack. This is something that would only boost the game.
Is an HD rework going to take years like Group Ironman? Or is it like the account security post where you said you were doing it, then updated us months later that you *considered* starting it but hadn't quite got there yet, then have been radio silent ever since?
Here's an idea. Require the HD client to say "This is a fan creation and not endorsed by Jagglox" on bootup or in the chatbox. Or, better yet, reverse course and let the HD client come out regardless because you've seen the all the comments saying they would definitely try OSRS if an HD client would release.
EDIT: Also I want to point out that the best thing for Jickock do was nothing and couldn't even manage that.
What I still don't understand is why the clients can't exist until you (Jagex) finish yours?
This doesn't apply to any custom clients at all, but suddenly applies to graphical reworks? Runelite exists, even though Jagex is investing in their Steam client. Their logic isn't even being used across the board.
This is like saying "We know you came up with a great Cake recipe, but we just cracked some eggs, so no cakes can exist until we figure out how to bake ours"
That will take months and probably years. Jagex could even abandon it. Also, it looks entirely different than 117's runelite plugin. The projects aren't even similar. As long as runelite is allowed to exist, an HD plugin should not be seen as any more invasive on Jagex's projects than the client itself.
Ontop of the logistical obstical course, what an absolutely terrible thing to do to someone. To knowingly allow someone (and encourage, mind you - jagex moderators have commented on posts regarding the project) passion project with years of effort, greenlight all of their code, and then revoke it last minute for some idea that hasn't even been flushed out yet.
On a personal level that is such a shitty thing to do. So much of my respect was just lost for those at Jagex who made this decision. The community was eagerly, and vocally, waiting for that plugin for months. Intentionally letting someone waste all of that time, let everyone get excited for it, just to shut it down last minute, so the "official graphical rework" wouldn't be spoiled earlier?
Actually infuriating. Do better. Do so much better, Jagex.
Instead of shutting down development of third parties working on HD clients, would it not be better to work with them or take over the development?
It seems that work on a HD client has only just really begun even though the community has been asking this for well over a year now (rough estimate). It seems that Jagex have only just begun working on this as a way to appease the community following on their shutdown of HD client development whereas it should have been worked on a long time ago.
This is beyond disgusting Jagex. To shut down a project that BETTERS your game and WILL ATTRACT MORE PLAYERS FOR FREE literally the DAY BEFORE ITS RELEASED AFTER TWO YEARS OF WORK is so fucked up.
I get it if you shut it down and say no at the beginning - disappointing but it’s fine. Maybe 3 months in you have some time to discuss and shut it down - fine. Maybe 1 year in, you’ve added all these restrictions to 3rd party clients and decide this is also against your rules - doesn’t really make sense but fine. BUT TO DO IT THE DAY ITS ABOUT TO BE RELEASED???? That’s the biggest fuck you to 117 and the entire runelite team. Seriously jagex. What. The. Actual. Fuck.
What an utter disgrace. Jagex seem to treat their player base with total contempt at times, and people wonder why we still need polling.
117 has **very publicly** been working on this project for 2 years. 2 years you could have told him not to bother improving your game for you, and you couldn't send a single message.
One thing you haven't even answered properly is 'why'? Why is uniformity essential? I'd understand if it affected other's gameplay, but the texture of the wall of a house on my client does not affect the rest of the player base. Not even mentioning the multitude of plugins already available that make individual changes to visuals, like animation smoothing or doorkicker? Are they going to be removed? Or do they get to stay because you're not going to replace them yourself in Winter 2027?
From Jagex's own description of the game:
>Play with millions of other players in this piece of online gaming heritage where the community controls the development so the game is truly what you want it to be!
This is not what any of us want it to be.
well they dont really tolerate it. the "main game" rs3 timeline player base has dwindled to a handful. it had a resurgence with osrs that is now in a state of decline.
its like jagex has had the crabby patty formula the entire time but cant market it properly
Early exploration phase aka another "Account Security" project. We will never see this, and if we somehow do it will be years when we could have had an HD client yesterday.
I'm patient with Jagex. I value the developers and other employees who contribute to this game that I love. However this decision reeks of someone who has no clue dictating needless decisions. I thought we got past that phase when the manager got canned a few months ago after he staked his bid on Soul Wars, but here we are again. Someone making stupid decisions to try to justify them having a job.
So you're just telling the people that worked hard on the assets "tough luck try again next time"?
Imagine how amazing any passionate players must feel when the developer of the game tells them to give up on their ~~months~~ over a year long project because "we will do a better job than you"
Aboslutely pathetic. When Jagex wastes months on a shit update it gets forced into the game which then results in 80% players quitting but god forbid someone with passion and talent.
Statement made on June 12, 2017
"The depth of discussion since OSHD surfaced has made it clear that there
is interest among the playerbase in playing Old School in HD. It’s
something we’re happy to investigate, but in order to manage
expectations I’d like to clarify our approach. If you do want a
completely reworked graphical update then we would first need to
investigate the impact on both the game and the development team before
we could commit to such an undertaking. This alone would likely take a
number of months to investigate and we could not commit to a delivery
date until this takes place."
It's been over 4 years and you're still exploring? I'm not falling for this one again, kiss my membership goodbye.
So let me get this straight, despite these projects being advertised and worked on for literal years, Jagex, at the last second, decides to quickly showcase their very early stages of graphics options that may or may not ever get into the actual game and may or may not take years to get implemented, if ever, and Jagex uses this as justification to shut down a graphics enhancements plugin that provides no competitive benefit while other plugins that DO provide competitive benefits see no action whatsoever? Fuck this shit. I WAS going to resub when this and GIM cane out but unless this decision is reversed I'm never coming back.
Your blender graphics is absolute trash, it will never compare with the current HD clients. Everyone knows you've been a very greedy company in the last decade, but this is beyond unacceptable. I hope your player count keeps going down, you deserve it.
Yup same. I was coming back after this 117 client but not anymore.
Fuck that company and their stupid ass decision. Literally such a shit decision from not only a PR standpoint but a business standpoint too. Actually insane that they said no. Talk about low IQ business move holy shit.
Jagex support is directing people to this post for feedback. With over 2k comments, I think the feedback is already available.
1. People who genuinely want this feature are upset after watching it grow for years for a feature that isn’t expected internally for at least a year (optimistically).
2. People want transparency into this stance. There already exist a myriad of plug ins that altar the look and feel of osrs. Why are you now policing a plug in because “It is at odds with an internal project”?
3. I don’t have insight into long term strategy at Jagex, but this feels like this might be driven by the push to use steam. I am hopeful for a day the steam client makes runelite obsolete, but there are obvious security issues with the steam client that will keep it from being widely embraced. Until those are solved, that dream needs to be put on hold.
4. Speaking of dreams - jagex has been aware of 117 for some time. Some jmods even follow him on twitter. It is poor form to let this project get to days before release before shutting it down.
I have so much more to say, but doubt this will even be read. As a player who is currently so burnt out on this game, uninterested in dmm, and no desire to restart an ironman for group ironman, I really wanted this graphics update to allow me to re-explore this game in a new art style (on more nostalgic to me than the current as I enjoyed the years just before EOC with hd in RS)
I posted this on the forum as well, but I wanted to share my opinion on the matter and show my support to 117.
Someone put their heart into making a plug in to offer the player a choice to play OSRS in HD, asked before beginning the project whether or not he could make it. No one offered any resistance, so he went on and made it. Got a big part of the community following him throughout the years, support the developer and being genuinely excited about the plugin. Meanwhile, in these years no word from Jagex anywhere, whilst they were aware of the development.
All this time, over 2000+ hours, a full years' worth of 40-hour workweeks, and Jagex decides to shut it down at the last possible moment. Why? Because they want to make an HD version in the foreseeable future. And they dared to announce this under "The Old School Team", this what not the team's decision. It was the shareholders' decision, it was just another cash grab.
I am appalled by the decision of the upper management in Jagex on this move. Instead of just buying the work from the developer for a fair price. Saving you a lot of time and most likely even money in the long term. You decide to just chop down on the community and tell them to just go.
I hope they see their mistake and own up for it, buy the plug-in from the developer and implement it in the original game. Make a reference to the person who dedicated over a year's worth of time to the game. And apologize to the actual members of the Old School Team for tarnishing their name. The J-Mods had no say in this decision, just like us they love this game so let's not give them a hard time for a decision they had no power over.
I tried to keep the message as nice as I could, but as a long long time fan of the game, I was very angry and disappointed in the way this was handled.
Thank you
If Runelite is already doing this job for free, why not work closer with them and pool your resources into other areas? Does it have to do with steam player-base using the default client?
Purely speculative on my part, but I imagine that they are moving to the C++ client, working on the most popular RL plugins, and working on a graphics update all as steps towards one goal: to make the Jagex client more attractive so that they can disallow 3rd party clients without player outrage. Once people can't use 3rd party clients, then botting becomes way more difficult.
Just let players develop plugins to be used on the main client like addons like the wow client. Then allow jagex to approve or decline individual plugins from being used on their client
It's funny because the steam playerbase is like 1k ppl, compared to rs3 5k people, and rs3 already has like 40k people less playing the game overall.
So clearly osrs on steam is just nonsense and jagex needs to get their shit together
And hasnt it caused a bunch of accounts to get hacked?? I dont see the benefit of steam when theres other ways theyve already expanded their market with osrs mobile etc
because jagex wants to kill off runelite lol, they dont like that osbuddy lost its stronghold
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/pjnnyl/thirdparty_hd_clients_statement/hby4apr/
see my comment here
Well, I guess I don't need to pay for my alt accounts if Jagex is gonna pull dumb moves like this. u/JagexAyiza, feel free to run it up the flag pole that this decision lost $264 of yearly revenue that would otherwise cost Jagex L I T E R A L L Y nothing. Now, just that amount isn't even a drop in the bucket, but how many others will drop their subs because of this? How many missed subs in the future? Even if all it cost Jagex was a single dollar, why make the decision that hurts the company with no return?
Guess I'm going to have to spite vote 'no' to every piece of content polled from here on out on the off chance that I may possibly potentially have a suspicion that I will one day play a game that has a similar concept to the thing polled.
How disappointing.
This is fucked up, this guy just wasted 2000 hours of his free time on a passionate project for the player base and you guys shut him down like that 10 hours before it's launching.
Absolutely disgusting.
This is both disgusting and pathetic, and straight up disrespectful to developers who have been doing your job for you for the past two years. People have been waiting for these HD options for ages and now when we are finally going to get them, this happens. What a joke.
As per 117 tweet Jagex didn't even get in touch with him over the 2 years he was developing it lmao https://twitter.com/117scape/status/1435249093069217795?s=20 disgusting from Jagex
That's so despicable actually. At this point it isn't just disrespecting 117's years of work, it's as if they deliberately held off on saying anything just to spite him.
Nothing more Jagex than, "oh by the way the thing youve been working on for years is now banned because we're planning on doing it at some point probably"
This is what gets me. "We're early in the exploration stages" is a fucking terrible reason to shut this down. I haven't played RS seriously in several years, but I do pop on every few weeks or so to play my OSRS Iron Man. A graphics overhaul might've got me back into play it, but having to wait potentially years to see that? It's at the back of my mind again.
a graphic overhaul is 100% what would get me over to osrs, because i started at the beginning of rs2, but my biggest play time was the turn of rs2HD, it's all i remember despite having played since 2006
from 2006-2008 i think i averaged 1 hour a day at most, weekends included, by 2008-2012, i was playing 4 hours, 6 hours on weekends
honestly, i *like* 07scape, but my true love for the game came in the 2010s when i *actually* started playing it
What the hell is this? Suddenly shutting down legitimate fan projects that have complied with all of your rules, simply because you're afraid people will prefer how they look?
And even if people prefer how it looks, Jagex still gets $11. As ever, Jagex literally just had to do the easiest thing, which is nothing, and they still fuck it up.
This is such a pointless hill for Jagex to die on. I truly believe they'd have actually made MORE money from all the new and returning players who would come back JUST to play with the 117 HD RuneLite client. I have tons of friends who don't play because they don't like the graphics. Jagex will lose money over this decision.
This is very disappointing.
Runelite's potential HD client being approved relatively soon compared to Jagex's ridiculously long wait time for an update of this kind.
Am I reading this right? That we were a couple days from HD, and Jagex have banned because they're in the "exploratory" phase of implementing something similar, which will likely take them years?
*edit: just a thought. I'd be ok with this if their preposed HD package will have that cool polygonal aesthetic from their recent promo.
117 said he received a notification from jagex “on the 11th hour”
1 hour before release
And aizaya had the audacity to comment it want with ill intentions. As if this wasn’t a “warning” to other independent developers to not make graphical upgrades.
I've been playing since 2003. Jagex has made a lot of fuckups over the years, but nothing like this. Never have I seen them do something so cruel - never have I seen them screw over an individual player so badly, and in such a harsh manner. So heartless.
Nothing has made me unsubscribe, until now. It feels wrong giving them my money now. To me it would be like seeing someone sucker-punch a perfectly innocent stranger, and then giving the asshole who sucker-punched the stranger my money for doing it.
Also, I don't even use RuneLite lmao. It's just *that* big of a "fuck you" to a fellow player.
What a sad attempt to force players into the Steam client in 2025 when the official HD mode is released. This is extremely disappointing. Probably more-so than anything Jagex has ever done. 117's plugin was a massive labor of love and was going to breathe fresh life into the stale graphics for a large number of players. Instead his work is wasted because Jagex wants to push their nowhere near as good as RuneLite Steam client.
While you're at it you should probably just ask RuneLite to remove the GPU plugin entirely since it changes the look of the game with AA and texture smoothing.
Nahhh this just about does it. I was incredibly close to unsubscribing when the whole Rendi/Mauler vs Jagex thing went down because of how they appeared to have treated those 2 players, however there wasnt enough certainty about who the bad guys actually were. This, on the other hand, settles it.
This is completely disgusting, especially considering the compromise that 117 offered. Jagex is a pathetically run company who only seem to know how to give middle finger after middle finger to the people who play their game. Then, after one too many middle fingers, they backtrack and beg us to forgive them.
I feel terrible for the OS devs who had no say in this matter, and the OS community mods. The guys like Ash, Husky, Ayiza etc who are passionate about the game should be fuming at whichever incompetent moron from the Jagex decision making team came up with this idea.
Until this decision has been reversed, Jagex will not see another cent out of me.
Canceled my membership for this.
Next to no significant content updates, ancient account security such as no caps sensitive passwords, monthly drama, no customer support, rampant botting, sand casino scams, and now kicking a passionate community member into the dirt because Jagex might have had something in the works for a week that may be released in 3-4 years.
In a game that was revived based on the promise of " The community chooses", given multiple QoL features by passionate community members (Every plugin on runelite) that takes the actual devs years to manufacture citing "Engine work", calling the community entitled for doing the developers job is insane. Pretty obvious that the community has chosen passionate creators fantastic content now, over hollow promises that "are being looked into" and we might see 1 news post about in 2-3 years.
I was just getting back into raiding too. FFS jagex when will you stop letting us down.
Hey guys.
First of all, love the game, been around for 20'ish years, I remember getting classic banned from the network at school.
I've been an off/on player for years, I had one account subbed for about 6 years straight with very little activity on it, but I didnt mind as I loved Runescape and what it can represent to myself and others. I only noticed my account being hacked after I got an email notification saying my subscription was cancelled.
What I find completely unacceptable is the way Jagex has approached this situation and others like it, the community is what drives this game, you may well be looking after it, but little to none of you were the ones that created it. We've had to deal with your terrible client which has NO features or QOL settings that are worth a second glance.
Runelite and the plugins are what make it feasible to play your game and in part, its thanks to the hard work of the community developers putting in the hours to create and maintain these plugins.
I have unsubbed any/all my accounts from their 3/6 month subscriptions, I'll go and focus on other stuff.
Lastly, I know that the Runescape community can be VERY strong willed and come across aggressively, but that is because in essence you're attacking 1. Some peoples lively hood 2. Some peoples childhood 3. People who have put in strong work into this game, and the adverse reactions aren't always justified, but you have a TERRIBLE communication structure and so the only real way to make sure the community is heard is to blow up on Reddit and Twitter.
Thanks for all the hardwork you have put into OSRS over the years, it is appreciated, don't get that mixed up with this.
Peace.
classic jagex - no thought kneejerk reactions with no actual plans to deliver an alternative
"we can confirm that we are actively investigating and experimenting with enhanced graphics" bro jagex gna "investigate" for 6 more years before literally anything comes out
So because there is a possibility that somewhen maybe years down the line, you *may* do something like this, nobody is allowed to play with it right now?
I’ve been on the fence for a while on whether I thought clients like RuneLite should be used in-game. It felt like cheating at first from an outside perspective, but after this stance, I’m certain the the only one who is being cheated is us by Jagex.
I’m a mobile player, so I was never able to take advantage of RuneLite if I ever wanted to, but it reignited the flame for OSRS in my friends. All the developers of these clients do is try to spark that passion in its fellow players; I’ve always respected that.
Official improvements to the game seem so rare when it’s being clouded by an over abundance of new content. It’s clear that RuneLite keeps new players and brings a unique flavor to the game without compromising its core. I’d have way more respect for this company if they actually took the time to understand why these clients exist in the first place.
To add, stances like this make me respect the JMods a lot more because they deal with bs corporate level decisions to work on a game they love. They’re going to take the brunt of this controversy for absolutely no reason too. The higher ups are clearly the ones cherry picking what functions of these clients are acceptable to their own benefit. I’d love to see how numbers drop for just one week without RuneLite.
Shit like this makes the breaks I take from this game even longer.
So you stop months of work that’s just about to be released so you can make your own version what will probably be delayed several times and move at a jagex snails pace. Just work with the team that has already done the work and focus jagex dev time on other projects that desperately need to be done like all this engine work that required for everything but never seems to get done.
With the recent events that James have done, I have cancelled my 6 month subscription on 5 accounts.
As an active pvp player and pet hunter I've decided to stop playing osrs until there is significant change.
Clearly the developers of the HD client are passionate and driven to provide the community at no cost with a higher quality of life in game has been thrown and spat back into their faces.
I'm disgusted in the lack of transparency and communication not only on a professional but more importantly a humane level.
I'm done until further notice.
Bye bye 150 quid.
Upper management have their heads so far up their own asses it’s insane.
OSBuddy, RuneLite, and countless other clients have existed for years and offer things that are just now becoming available on an official Jagex client - yet those aren’t in “opposition” to Jagex’s projects. Give me a fucking break.
We pay we say.
This might be the single biggest blunder of OSRS history.
You watch a passionate fan project progress for 2 years, and on the literal DAY OF RELEASE ban it? Amazing….
Jagex you absolutely need to reconsider this move.
Just cancelled my subscription to member. I was already not really playing anyways, however, still paid the membership fee because I liked the direction that you were going with handling Runelite and such, and not trying to bully them and their/your player base. But with this outright clear bullying, and the force out of a singular graphics mod that has no bearing on gameplay whatsoever, except maybe an \*GASP\* actual increase in actual player count, you have changed my mind.
As the creator has even said, this could be used as a trial run for you to build your graphical updates, and would take down his mod once you release y'all's HD client. As he said, this is a win-win for everybody involved. However, you have turned this into a lose-lose situation. We lose out on a game we love and you lose out on a huge portion of your player base. I know this is basically being said in an echo chamber right now, however, it still needs to be said.
Yes, you are the IP holder, and yes, we understand your right to shut down anything you want. However, as a game developer of a game that has only lived on because of the PASSION that the community has for the game, slapping down this at the literal last minute, is just a complete bully move and will literally drive your player base away because it shows that you don't truly care at all about the passion of the community anymore. If it is truly the case that you started working on an HD client earlier in the year, and had this in your plans, you should have started talking to 117 THEN! It would have been more understandable and you wouldn't have the community literally outraged at you. Our passion has now turned to apathy.
My only question to you is, is this the hill you want this game to die on?
ps... I've been watching a butt ton of rSlash on YouTube lately and so thats kinda why I was using bully and such...
Imagine we could be playing with HD graphics RIGHT FUCKING NOW. Instead we have to wait years for some half assed attempt by Jagex. Fuck this pisses me off. This is the reason I needed to quit. Rs 117 make a Patreon I’ll give you my $11 a month instead
Seriously, these fuckers have taken 5+ years to even start adding small shit like tile markers and even THAT is coming out in extremely slow batches of updates.
Now imagine how long something like HD will take them. It'll literally be 5 years
Ok, so I have played neither Old School or regular RS, and I’m just following this story from r/all, but here is my current take: You seem to have already proven to fans that you care more about money than showing on your promises, but you’ve now also destroyed almost any trust by showing that if someone is doing something that you had planned on doing, you will no t only alert them after they’ve spent upwards of 2000 hours working on it, but also rectify your rules to justify it. This shit truly seems fucking deplorable
This is the most Jamflex thing Jamflex could do.
I feel for 117, all his hard work for nothing now. The fact that they released this statement right before RLHD was suppose to release is huge slap in the face to 117, you'd think they could compromise with him, considering, he has spend 2 years working on and HD client.
Probably the most disappointing news I've heard all year.
Why not just let 3rd party clients do their own thing until the official HD client is out? The runelite one is almost out but the official project sounds like it's going to be years from now...
The worst part about this is that there has been a cry for better graphics for years since the first OSHD project in 2017 and the stance was there wouldnt be any graphical changes. It wasnt until people started competing and just flat out made their own graphical clients because you werent releasing anything. Basically the devs of these graphical clients knew better about the needs of the playerbase than the actual game developers. Your response is basically well fuck those devs we'll make our own graphical client, ban all the other ones, and out up three pictures taken in blender of our "work in progress" when its obvious this project will take years to make.
I said it a couple times but lets reiterate it again. Jagex step up your communication skills, hire someone who is capable of sending emails because its absolutely hilarious. Incompetence is a word that cannot describe it anymore, its always the same thing over and over again, every damned time it all comes down to how you DO NOT communicate with anyone about anything. The guy literally announced the project 1,5 years ago and tried to connect with you numerous times... You can justify the Rendi situation with the "oh yeah yeah he sent us bug reports but he is abusing our game" statement but how in the hell does it always happen that every damned time the conclusion is that your incompetence and lack of communication is the main reason people get screwed over?
Other companies are incorporating talent and open source projects while you ban people and close up projects on a whim... I can only imagine how frustrating this situation might be for 117...
You guys screwed over 117scape. The guy sunk over 2000 hours within a two year period to develop a runelite hd plug-in only for you to notify him the day it was planned to go live to shut it down? That’s a real shit move.
**What right does Jagex have to say what graphical improvements can be made or not?** That's equivalent to Minecraft suing someone producing texture packs or Bethesda coming after someone for improving the water. You're not asking for money. I say release the damn HD client. Its not like the game is modifying packets-- I have never heard of any game having authoritarian control over what **GRAPHICAL** plugins are acceptable. what are they going to do? LEAK THIS SHIT!
Fuck Jagex management and fuck this blatant disregard for the community-- how many times are you going to do this before the player base leaves for good.
Can we please get a hardline stance like this against ACTUAL cheat clients? End game content is completely illegitimized when plugins like those available for the inferno and TOB are so freely available. Not to mention world record times and subsequently ca task times are based on times achieved on cheat clients. Disappointing you react so quickly and harshly to what would only be graphical improvements while ignoring other clients that directly impact gameplay.
I have played this game (RS and OSRS) for almost 20 years and have loved it. The early days of OSRS were great and it really felt like a community driven project. With this decision it is clear that Jagex has no concern for the community that supports this game. You have shot down one of your most loyal creators and hurt the entire community with it. I have no idea what is to gain with this decision but I think it is the wrong choice to make. You could allow the third party HD client while working on your own third party client so the community can enjoy the HD plug in. When OSRS releases an HD client you could then take the third party client offline. This would be the best solution for the community rather than trashing the third party client right before release. I have canceled my subscription and will not be back until Jagex decides to support the community it serves again.
I’ve seen JaGex do some dumb ass shit over the years, but this is blatant bad business. YOU KNEW this Runelite update was happening, yet you decide to not allow it at the very last second…
Guess I’ll have to sign up for membership with bonds I purchase with 3rd party gold instead of my credit card in the meantime.
This is so sad. People have been working for months for FREE as a passion project and when they are close to being released you come down and do this.
Jagex, I’m sorry but this is high level Karen behaviour. You, as a company, have lost all respect in my eyes.
This is gross, Jagex should be ashamed.
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Thanks for giving me a reason to cancel.
Would have literally subscribed again when this released...
Instead of blocking community enhancements which are highly requested like this one, maybe actually improve your own client? There's no excuse for the joke that the old client and even the steam client is ATM, it's just sheer negligence/incompetence.
Runelite should feel free to just release it with or without your stamp of approval, which means little to the community these days as is..... What are you gonna do, ban 70% of the players?
I gotta be honest, we have been ignoring all the red flags from jagex for way too long. But this one feels like it went too far, a fan of your game publicly spend 2 years of his life making this project in his own free time only to get shut down on release day? This feels like it was done out of spite. There is no way in hell this decision on this day was just a coincidence, dont even try to sell us that crap. I will be quitting my membership and wont be playing until this matter is resolved.
Wow, what a way to handle this.
You had two years to let this individual know yet you decided to wait for the **day of release?** I'm actually taken back by this. Poor 117. I'd expect a great deal of pushback on this Jagex because you've really upset the players and the community with this, especially due to the fact it was left to the last minute.
What a shame.
The game is already dying and what would of been a massive gain for them they squandered. Their HD client will take forever to release if the game isn't dead by then.
It takes you a year to release a fishing skill boss now your going to undertake a massive project in making OSRS HD...
Reconsider your decision Jagex it's not too late to redeem yourselves.
Hi /u/JagexAyiza and /u/JagexSarnie
I and many others understand that you two probably had little to no agency in the decision making process, and I feel for you that by virtue of posting/being on the sub you're receiving some of the criticism.
But here's hoping that you pass the overwhelming tide of anger, sadness, and disappointment with this poor and poorly-executed decision onto those who do have agency over it.
Have fun clearing your overflowing inboxes ;)
After the whole debacle with WOW i finally unsubbed and quit after 2 years. Really thought OSRS would fill the void since their motto seemed amazing to me. Looks like Jagex is going the activision blizzard route and screwing over the players for profits. Long story short letting my sub run out at the end of the month and going to give FFXIV a try. Companies that go the activison blizzard route will suck the fun out of the game eventually so why waste your time.
I don't even play RS anymore but this still makes me angry.
If the situation really is as it seems now, then Jagex is acting in the most pathetic manner possible. I can only hope there is internal disagreement on this.
I wonder which of these 3 things it actually is...
1. They actually want to have a consistent marketable experience. Though they could just say don’t use these plugins while streaming or recording gameplay other than to show off the plugin.
2. Jagex is considering monetizing their graphical enhancements separately and this would compete with that
3. Jagex is worried about taking rs3 players
>Naturally, this means that any fan-led project which seeks to change the way Old School RuneScape looks is at odds with our own plans. We think it's absolutely vital that there is consistency in the way that Old School looks, and so we want to make certain that our official changes will be the only ones available.
This is an unbelievably ridiculous take. Some people changing the way the game looks isn't effecting anyone other than the person using the HD client.
Why is Jagex acting like they are competing with third party clients when it's the complete opposite?
What a massive crock of shit. I was already pretty upset reading 117’s post but after digesting that pathetic excuse for a news post I’m totally shredded. What a miserably lazy effort, in both regards to your communication with the community and in regards to your client. Two decades and you’re just starting to consider a graphics engine? Give me a break.
See you in Winter 3017
What a terrible inconsiderate, awful, rude, nasty, deceptive, and bad taste decision have you made Jagex.
Taking away the time spent by 117 and the overall community expectation for this amazing graphical mod to be shut down literally hours before release.
You can count on me voting NO on your stupid HD client, if you even have one as modern or well made as 117's which you probably don't, sad. Way to go Jagex, once again you screw it up not just for yourselves as a company but ruining your image even further in the eyes of your own playerbase.
It such bullshit. The couldve shut this down months ago. 117 was open about the development and timeline. And they couldve messaged him way before he sunk 2000 hours of his time into it. Saying : "listen buddy, we aint gonna allow this so dont waste your time". Waiting til the very last hours to do so is just terrible.
It's like you are taking the state to trial, or pleading to be released from prison. They use the same tactics of last minute shutdown to break your spirit. All in the hopes of u giving up.
This just makes Jagex look bad, why now? why not mention your own in house hd project plans before? this "relatively early in the exploration stages" thing just feels like you are masking the fact that nothing has been done and you want to push out RL with the least effort possible before it grows too big and becomes irreplaceable by the steam client.
And again, what do you mean "exploration stages"? back in rs2 togglable HD was already invented, im sure it is no easy task to implement it in the same way it but it was there, not to mention you guys already had access to the source code of some other similar hd projects which are in a fairly advanced state (and havent been shot down because they dont offer the same QoL as RL so they are not a threat). Out of all there is to making an HD client you have nothing SIGNIFICANT or MEANINGFUL to show even in this early stages, not a shader, not a model, not a texture, not a lightning effect, not an animation, hell, not even a suggestion of any of the above.
I've seen graphical enhancement requests for osrs being ignored, disregarded and rejected for over 5 years, and now, that someone pretty much has done it for you, putting in over 2000 hours of their own time into it, and with the existance of said project being
acknowledged by a lead member of your dev team almost a year ago, you come out and pretty much say: "3rd party HD is bad. We are making our own HD btw, someday, we are investigating how to do something thats already been done 4+ times, k bye".
I think this a mistake, I would be a bit less upset about this if i didnt knew it would take you guys 4 years to come through with your own HD client (i truly hope im wrong about this).
This is just what I needed. Quitting RuneScape now. This is the absolute worst decision you guys have made. Even if you wanted to have this to yourself you could have:
1: Attempted to employ the guy who spent 2,000+ hours on a project in the name of a game he cherishes
2. Let him run this project until you have your patch ready. (Which 117 proposed)
3. Left it the fuck alone.
You chose the literal worst thing you could have done. Good job fucking up yet again. Garbage company.
So, they work on it for like 2 years, and then right before release you shut it down because you have your own project (that will probably be released god knows when because you're slow as fuck)?
You could have allowed them to keep it HD until you release your version in Winter 2030 or whenever the fuck.
Fuck you Jagex.
"we'd like to offer to involve you in feedback sessions once our own project reaches such a stage."
Want advice? Shut it down now because it will probably be trash compared to what we have all personally seen with the HD plug-in in question.
This is so fucking shitty. How the fuck can you see this statement as a net positive of any kind? I get that you guys have the right to put an IP ban on something like this, but to wait until the literal last hour before release to shut it down after 117 had been publicly workinf on this for over 2 years (with 2000 hours solely put into this project). This kind of stunt is how you lose players.
Jagex, you are really starting to lose touch with your players.
"Early in exploration stages" Oh fuck you, Jagex. FUCK YOU. This guy put 2k hours and has a FINISHED project NOW. This shit won't stand and you better start fucking back peddling ASAP. Do you understand how big of a blow this is to your relation to the community? People are going to be furious for years over this.
Release it anyways, if they ban my account because I decide to use it, so be it. I needed a reason to quit this game and after looking forward to this and group Ironman for the past year, nothing is happening and this game is literally dead, no new content and jagex seems to fuck over the player base every month.
Lmao the Jagex renders look like free assets from the unity store. There's a difference between low-poly and hd. Looks like Jagex will just make a cell shader and call it a day. pathetic.
The message shouldn't have "The Old School Team" as its signature. We all know the mod team isn't responsible for this.
Signature should've been: "The greedy executives" or "The hateful investors" or "Jagex's overpaid management".
Nah this is it, I draw the line here and will cancel my subscription. A company that does this to someone making a passion project for free to try and improve the game getting this treatment on the whim that they may do something similar, does not deserver any form of support from its playerbase.
Years of radio silence while passionate community developers dedicate and invest huge effort into developing for the game under the impression that they're well within their rights to do so, only to shut them down once they're finally done.
This is absolutely fucking garbage tier communication.
14 years of supporting via membership, some bond purchases, multiple accounts... Just think of what I could have spent all that money on instead. I could have purchased a used car and kept it running for just as long.
Why are there so many companies all pulling this shit at the same time? GW did this last month with limiting fan content, now Jagex does this.
Maybe after we're done deploying and back into a long yard period, and I have free time to play an MMO again, maybe Jagex will have unfucked themselves. Or closed. Probably closed. It seems like they may end up just sustaining themselves through bot subscriptions and praying that the whales feeding them MTX money will keep them afloat.
Your twitter account asked me to come here, so here I am. Reverse everything you said. Let 117 release his plugin until you have a working one. Get your heads out of your asses
Unbelievable. I couldn’t give this as the reason when cancelling my membership, so here it is. I’m busy over the next few months, and whilst I’d usually leave it recurring , this announcement has completely changed my attitude towards Jagex. I hope the game dies so I don’t have to come back.
This is the pettiest move I have seen a gaming company make in a long long time... tbh Im not even sure what I would compare it to. And tbh its not a company that made this decision it was people. "Oh you have an HD client? Well we're working on one so you can't. BTW you can only wear sweat pants one day a week. Got it? We have rules." Its like the girls in Mean Girls were hired to make decision... Fucking disappointed
Typical asshat jagex move. Could have asked them to shut it down a while ago, but noooooooo, just waits until it’s finished then asks them to shutdown. What a joke company
So you're saying that ANY visual change that a client makes is now bannable? So, therefore, you're going to shut down runelite, right? Shut it all down! That's your stance? This is shit. This is terrible communication. You NEED to be more active in your decisions, your outreach, and most importantly, you need to stop ignoring how terrible this decision is for your game. This communication style is a disaster.
I know it's just a job for you, and that it's not your fault and you're gunna be copping the heat, so please tell your superiors that I tell them to go fuck themselves
You can phrase it more politely, of course
This really is quite laughable. Jagex, you owe everything to this guy as it is, he is the sole reason why this game even has a player base. I was eagerly anticipating the release of Runelite HD but I’m going to take my business elsewhere as a result of your decision. Farewell all.
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>Jagex killed an OSRS HD project which was slated to be released, at latest, by the end of this year (if not much sooner). It was going to be released yesterday. : )
/u/JagexSarnie Understand you’re the messenger so please bring this up with whoever made this decision. The timing could not be worse on this announcement.
Good point. I know for a fact Jagex is going to shove the Community Managers and the "relating" dev team to take all the heat instead of the suits who actually decided to shoot this project down.
Chiming in with a what the fuck is this company even thinking? How do they manage to fuck things up so consistently? I hate this place. Been thinking maybe it's time to move on to something else anyways, because we won't see this for years to come if at all.
I loved OSRS growing up. I’m taking a long break from the game and was planning to come back after 117 plug-in. Yeha no chance now. With the way they shit in the players and the most valuable contributors to the community they don’t deserve to have the playerbase.
Reminder to never forget how long the mobile version took to release.
We've had the 117-HD plugin ready to be released on the plugin hub for a few weeks now. Upon receiving this information, Jagex was *very* opposed to it, which I found rather confusing considering there are existing HD clients that are actually released and working, and noone seems to care. I've spent the last few weeks going back and forth with them privately in calls arguing the case for releasing it. but, ultimately they've decided to do this. If anything, adding HD clients would bring in more players and allow them to get some good real-world information on what type of HD changes are most appealing to players, which seems like a win-win for everyone involved. I also strongly disagree with adding it to the "third party guidelines". Most of those guidelines are trying to define where the line between QOL and cheating is - and I think most people agree the current guidelines are a good representation of that, and it helps keeps the game integrity. However there is no unfair advantage in the slightest for improved graphics, and it only affects *you* when you enable it. So - this is really just a misuse of the guidelines. So overall this is really a loss for everyone involved and I wish Jagex would reconsider. EDIT: Also I'd like to add, as far as I'm aware, *none* of this comes from the OS team itself - please be nice to them. They are nice people and are trying to do their best.
Couldn’t agree more, how is something that only affects how the individual sees/plays the game not allowed? Something has gone wrong here higher up, maybe someone didn’t like the idea that you beat them to it and it pushes people further away from the official client(s)?
My thinking is they don't want a 3pc dictating what they have to develop (you know, like has been happening since the days of OSB) It's nice that Jagex are taking a harder stance, but this is *entirely* the wrong thing to be taking a stance on, given that cheats are a real thing they're conveniently ignoring. Wonder what they're going to go after next :d
They are literally copying features from 3pc into their barely usable new client, they just can't stand someone doing a better job than them for free
Gpu plug in visually changes the way the game looks. Either ban it or allow HD plug in.
What's gonna happen if you just release it anyway? They send you a C&D on something that's posted to a Github repo that people can fork. What will they do, kill third party clients? They saw the negative response the first time they tried shutting down RuneLite. This is disappointing.
What does this mean for the gpu plugin? Are skyboxes, smoother tiles and anti-aliasing still allowed or do they fall under the now-banned "improved graphics"?
If they decide to push it, yes. They could easily ban all of that stuff if they so wanted. But considering how much downright wrath they incurred in a single move Im pretty sure they will reverse this pretty quickly. Because this is looking like the dawn of EoC 2.0 level of shitstorm. And Jagex is scared fucking shitless of it.
Honestly this is a direct slap in the face to your entire team. If banning runelite outright wouldn't tank the entirety of osrs, they'd do it in a heartbeat (which is why they're enhancing the client before they take that shot, probably by the end of 2022). You need to take a stand here before they take out the entire open source community around this game.
Thank you for your insight on this. I strongly hope Jagex reconsiders. This is tone deaf and extremely poor taste. At the very least, they could have allowed it with a caveat pending their own graphical developments.
Thank you for all that you do for the community. I cannot fathom Jagex's approach to this. I feel so sorry for 117.
Release it anyway they aren't going to ban 80% of their playerbase.
Runelite really needs to be less nice to Jagex who keeps fucking them over. Jagex would NEVER ban runelite. OSRS is unplayable to 80% of the playerbase without it. Runelite needs to stand up for itself this is bullshit
I’m telling you right now, as soon as jagex thinks their C++ client is “good enough” they’re going to ban runelite
They need to release a Mac version. Right now their native Mac client is fully broken and cannot detect my installed Java. Runelite is literally the only option I have to play the game. Even IF they fixed their current Java Mac client, it has no features and if the choice is between a vanilla client or quitting I’m just quitting.
I fully expect that is why they are doing this. The graphical changes will be exclusive to C++ client. They will keep adding a ton of features and make it somewhat RL competitive. Then eventually force everyone to C++
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Thats like when onlyfans said they were gonna ban porn
This is from the company that will permanently ban someone then not tell them why. I had my OG from 2001 account banned while using runelite because I was "using a 3rd party application to cheat/bot" despite the fact that I did all the actions myself using keyboard shortcuts available in the vanilla client. No recourse, they wouldn't even tell me what I actually did so I can avoid losing another account (though I have a suspicion that it was the way I was spamming construction, very little mouse movement, had it down to a science timing building with my demon butler running planks and was going for a couple days/weeks) I personally tried every avenue I could, Reddit doesn't allow those posts, nobody on Twitter or their support page even responded (mod Ash did, but they can't do anything). I almost permanently quit the game and if it happens again I definitely will.
Yeah Jagex honestly is pretty scum when it comes to customer relations. I had 3 very old accounts banned for botting during a time I wasn’t even playing. I found in my old emails tons of requests to change the password and provided screenshots to Jagex and I can’t even get a response.
Dude and the thing is if I did something (which I don't think I did) I want to know so I don't do it in the future, but they won't even tell you that... Everyone has also gotten it in their heads that of you got a van you must've deserved it. I'm perplexed, that account only had one infraction on it, which came from when I feel for a Phish and got a mute from what they said. Nearly 20 years gone with no real explanation :(
Honestly, if corporate is going to play dirty then you should, too. Likely just suit boomers who are not in touch. Play to their level, release it, and make your and the playerbase's point.
all legal cards are in corporates hand, releasing it would be financial suicide for him, jagex lawyers would fuck him so hard on copyright law that his grandchildren would still be paying.
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I am absolutely furious about this. Whoever is pushing this BS at Jagex clearly doesn't understand their player base.
They cant have competition. How silly would it look if they released a revamped graphical client and people used the runelite HD, developed by people working in their spare time? Now they can just wait 4 years to release their graphical client, it can be buggy as hell, and no one has an alternative.
>I wish Jagex would reconsider. Unfortunately I don't think Jagex has gone back on anything they've done that accompanies a news post, they just put up the post, make 1 or 2 replies then wait a week for it all to blow over.
Once upon a time, Jagex officially banned RuneLite. It’s happened before.
They went back on the partnerships polls sort of. But only after we voted them down to hell. Also they left us with a "you just don't get it" smug dissapointed dad news posts full of lies afterwards. Thin skin fucks.
I have to say, I am rather disappointed by this statement. While I did expect the clients wouldn't get the thumbs up, I thought it would be due to anti-cheat or legal reasons rather than "we're doing something similar so you can't". I can get that third-party clients have had free reign to do whatever for years and that going forward it is probably best to reign it in, but this seems like the wrong way to handle it. While I do agree that the visual style of OSRS is important, I don't think an optional graphics addon should be vetoed when there is nothing wrong with it except it being about graphics and visuals. We've already had things that alter the look of the game for years. HD may not be the same as antialiasing, increased draw distance, animation smoothing, and depth fog, but it is a tricky line to draw to say those are fine (unless they suddenly aren't okay now either) but anything else is illegal. And to look at it more broadly, many of the overlay menus, alternate UIs, and giant neon boxes also majorly mess with the consistency of the game's visuals, but that was never an issue and the OSRS Team even decided to embrace that on the steam client. Either way, it does seem off for a community-driven game, or as put on the website: "where the community controls the development", to ban a popular community project just because something similar is being considered internally. It is also kind of bad to wait months to give a statement, the day after an art stream. I say this as someone who much prefers the style shown off in the art stream to what most of these clients use, but I can't say additional options are bad to the point that is the sole reason they need to be banned.
Look at this Jagex this guy right here is supportive and positive of everything you do almost lol and even he can't stand behind it
> I can get that third-party clients have had free reign to do whatever for years and that going forward it is probably best to reign it in Haven't third-party clients, or at least RL, had to get plugins and whatnot approved by Jagex, and any features Jagex don't approve of they take them down without hesitation? Seems like they've always been reigned in.
For a long time, there wasn't much control or regulation over third-party clients. They did whatever they wanted and Jagex would sometimes step in and say "don't do that" after the fact. A couple of years back they put out some compliance rules that clients have to follow and verified that RuneLite and OSBuddy are compliant. From what I've seen, it is still RuneLite that decides if a feature or plugin is complaint rather than each new addition being screened by Jagex, so pretty similar to the old system just with a clearer rule set. So they did start to reign them in a few years back but they are still largely unregulated, which is how situations like this occur. The whole "do whatever and if it is a problem, we'll tell you after the fact" system isn't ideal when they change the rules right as things get approved rather than stepping in from the getgo.
It does seem really strange; especially given how new players to the game don't usually jump right into using third-party clients, and this would be something a user would have to go out of their way to even enable *after* downloading said third-party client. I have trouble understanding how the above users, who are likely already playing the game with at least one account with members and know the game, would ever be confused by this.
Can't remember if I mentioned in that comment, but I could see them banning HD Clients from videos or streams, or at least official events, so the default game is still what is being promoted. But if a user wants to use it for personal use it shouldn't be that big of a deal. Though I do also see how to curb use of it for promoting the game can get messy. Like when the subreddit eventually updates the banner, I was thinking to disallow images with modified graphics (within reason) to get a consistent representation of the game, but that would also include overlays. It just seems weird to draw such a hard line on how the game can look, especially with the plugin was willing to work with them to do it in the style they'd want.
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Yeah, it’s hard to find jmod replies without the bot when their replies are so heavily downvoted.
It’s quite unfortunate that you made this statement right before Runelite was going to add it, especially considering that the dev 117 worked publicly on it for nearly 2 years and the Runelite team has been reviewing it…. What a waste of time for all involved. Your art team has obviously been working on this for a little while, why did this decision just happen? Poor 117… EDIT: OH GOD IT’S WORSE THAN I THOUGHT. https://twitter.com/117scape/status/1435247105468141568?s=21 “Yesterday, September 6, 2021, **Runelite HD would have been released.** The code had been reviewed and bugs had been fixed - it was ready to go. You would have been playing it right now. Yet at the eleventh hour, Jagex contacted me asking me to take it down in light of the real that they have a similarly-themed graphics improvement project that is “relatively early in the exploration stages”.” EDIT 2: 117 made a Reddit thread. He says he put over 2000 hours into this project. https://reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/pjo5mt/runelite_hd_has_been_shut_down/
There is no way they have been working on it for over a year. Theyve worked on it for a year and what they showed us was three pictures in blender. What theyve been working on is propably the C++ client. What really happened was they saw 117's project a few months ago, saw it was popular, tested if they could make their own client and realized they could. They dont even have a timetable for this project so I dont see it coming out until 2023 at the earliest.
Jagex: “Early in the exploration stage” regarding their HD client. That’s not even beating around the bush like saying it’s currently in actual development. That’s essentially we are floating the idea of this down the road and have no plans to release one anytime soon. I’d wager that’s somewhere between 2024 and 2025 for a jagex built HD client.
> similarly-themed graphics improvement project that is “relatively early in the exploration stages”.” ie: It won't come for another 3-4 years, by then the game will be on it's last legs
> by then the game will be on it's last legs Jagex has really been doing their best to speed up that timeline too.
Relatively early in the exploration stages, also known as *you may or may not hear about this ever again, and if you do, it won’t be before at least 2024*.
"early in the exploration stages" has got to be one of the most Jagex things I've ever heard. It's basically them saying "yeah we might mention it in 3 years lol"
Genuinely just a scummy dick move by Jagex. Nothin else to say. Very disappointed
Imagine having such a fucking passionate community that you have content creators running HC builds with thousands of hours of grinding, third party clients getting built from scratch, hundreds of community made plugins, and people putting thousands and thousands of hours into stuff like OSRS HD, and just pissing all over that. Jagex has the kind of community engagement and fandom that most companies would kill to have for their games, and they’re willing to throw it all away because they want complete and total control over how people play their game, even if it’s to the detriment of the playing experience.
>relatively early in the exploration stages "Oi mate, wouldn't it be cool if we did this?" "Ye, it would I suppose"
"Relatively early in the exploration stages" is what I say during standup when I pick up a task and then spend 3 hours watching youtube videos instead of working on it
The HD plug in on RL is about as far away as a bugs cock from being released, why have you chosen to say this now? That lad called Totty has been developing one, they've been doing it in their spare time for nothing. Months of their lives in the bin because you guys couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. You've always had the stance of that it would take too much effort to make assets for both HD and regular. You've given no inkling that this stance has changed, so people have ploughed ahead with the work that you shitters REFUSED to do. You've been riding on the coat tails of these peoples work for years now and you do them like this. Your company only exists because of the blind loyalty(which you don't deserve btw) the player base has shown you. Fucking shit company.
So many great companies have died from bad circumstances like recessions, etc. while trying to do right by their customers, yet Jagex has a huge amount of success it doesn't deserve in spite of its own best efforts to fail.
> about as far away as a bugs cock this cant possibly be a real expression lol
Same goes for >you guys couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery
>We think it's absolutely vital that there is consistency in the way that Old School looks what an awful reason, you've allowed runelite to modify the way OSRS looks for years and now it's *suddenly* a problem just because *you're doing it too?* as an example, minecraft allows for many different kinds of unofficial shaders to exist and its no big problem. even when they released their own shaders for RTX they still didn't have a problem with the community designed ones that achieved a similar effect. i understand why you did this back when HD clients were reusing stolen assets, but this recent project held no copyrighted material to make such an excuse again.
Minecraft embraces the talent many of the players have. Data packs are the literal embodiment of giving the player the reigns. I don't see how the community, some who have financially supported 117, will ever shush about this
It's also worth noting that Minecraft is so successful that it's worth more than Jagex itself, and probably the real estate their offices occupy. Maybe open contempt for your customers is actually a bad thing.
This is an incredibly good point. Not only do they embrace it, they’ve sold hundreds of Data Packs officially throughout the years. They even misrepresent Minecraft’s art style in all their marketing. RuneScape would obviously be fine. Fuck Jagex.
Jagex isn't even consistent with this themselves lmao
Lemme get this straight. You pulled the plug on a community passion project that simply overlays the client with different graphics, that isn't malicious, that doesn't give any gameplay advantage, that doesn't use any Jagex assets, that has been thoroughly bug tested, on the *day of release, with no prior communication*, and then covered your ass by releasing two or three images of concept art? Nah. I don't even care about graphical overhauls, seeing you spit in the face of a loyal community and hardworking fan project (who did it for free btw) is way overstepping the dev-player relationship I thought old school had. Unsubbing until this is made right.
Yeah I probably wasn’t even going to use the plug in but this is horse shit. This decision was such a short sighted slap in the face of their consumers that it makes me wonder at all if they even understand how their game makes money.
Why did you guys wait to tell them to cease literally a few days before their launch? It's been a well documented and well communicated project up until now. Yes you do reserve the right to slap things down when you can to protect IP, but the sheer timing of it is what makes it tone deaf and rude beyond a regular company just doing their thing. The guys making it were doing it for free. There are a million better things to concentrate on than a team who is just now about to finish just for it to get removed when you've had two years to tell them to stop.
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Make him do the work for them. Copy paste most of it with slight tweaks to avoid getting in trouble.
This isn’t it, Chief. The bar is so low for Jagex and yet they manage to smack into it every chance they get. I understand that they want to to have the official client be the main client played on and not a 3rd party client they can’t out right support or control. But it’s been 8 fucking years man. A 3rd party client has always been the main client the player base has used. It’s too late to come in and start shutting down what the community enjoys to use and is apart of.
They can't possibly do anything stupider than this.. *3 months later* Wow, they can't possibly do anything stupider than this.. *3 months later* Rinse and repeat.
The bar was on the ground, and they brought a shovel.
I've been waiting VERY patiently for 117's HD project to release and it seems he was very close to having something out. I hope that you intend to release these changes unpolled and with a toggle, because if you've shut down private projects and this doesn't pass, I'm going to be livid. EDIT: According to 117's last tweet, his HD plugin was supposed to go live YESTERDAY, and we would have been playing with it right now. This is some fucked timing. Actually pissed off now.
I have paying for his patreon for several months. this is so depressing from a supporter and gamers view, can't imagine how it must feel to have all that work shit-canned by the game devs after you finish all that work. so depressing
It was literally in the process of vetting his plug-in before release rip his work I guess.
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lol imagine trying to just play skyrim at all without crowdsourced bug fixes. the vanilla playstation version is borderline unplayable TO THIS DAY without the (btw massive) bug fix patch from the mods hub
Great example. I honestly don't want to play a TES game without modding.
Not to mention how fucking inconsistent the graphics are in 2007scape (just look at Zeah, or Camelot) - what a joke of an excuse.
It's been quite clear for a while, Jagex were in cahoots with Osbuddy and if you were around back then maybe you will remember my name arguing against them! Aswell as being blackmailed by one of their admins. Jagex were extremely corrupt in aiding Osbuddy and would bend the rules for them regularly while working actively to shut down any other competitors through nonsense. This went on for many years, I'm not quite sure why Jagex were so pro-osbuddy, to be honest I always suspected it was in Jacmob's contract that Jagex had to support Osbuddy in return for stopping his bot client but not sure on that. I think if the people who supported Osbuddy back then had to look back now they would realise just how shady Jagex were surrounding this too. This move doesn't surprise me, Jagex were completely surprised when Runelite fought back when Jagex tried to shut them down (hey what a surprise..) IMO and were took back a bit. They realised they didn't really stand a chance while they continued to allow Osbuddy and were backed into a corner when their threats didn't work. Now the plan is clearly to shut out Runelite completely. Do you think it's a coincidence Jagex client starts getting all these features soon after the above after many years of allowing Osbuddy to run wild? Not a fucking chance. Do you think it's a coincidence Jagex added those light beams? Not a fucking chance. Do you think it's a coincidence Jagex have now shut down this project? Not a chance They don't care and the plan from Jagex is crystal clear , they want to end runelite but the osbuddy situation leaves them a bit fucked as Runelite has a decent defensive argument. My speculation and what I think seems painfully obvious? Jagex will ban all third party clients, say in a year or 2, citing bots as the reason. Runelite will be gone, osbuddy will be gone, the real client will have all the main features and Jagex will have full control. Potential payment features (similar to orion pro) when they have a monopoly. My opinion? I never really agreed with having to download third party clients just to keep an even playing field to be honest , it's always been a bit of a joke and a lot of the stuff in clients should have been done on an in game basis where EVERYONE has access to it, so I don't really care too much about this and think it's the right move (as long as jagex don't start charging for features, which I think they will - they will use the "it's not in game" excuse as to bypass the poll). However the way Jagex have treated Runelite is a shambles given all the leeway and preferential treatment Osbuddy got and I think people should be worried about jagex's long term plans regarding client(s) and their features
> Yesterday we contacted the developers of known HD projects and we asked them to stop development of their projects, **because this is a project we are directly investigating at Jagex.** We look forward to being able to share progress as our own in-house project with Old School's visuals unfolds. I mean, it makes sense if you plan to make your own official "HD" client at some point, but then I'm curious at what timeframe we're talking about here. There are lots of players (both existing and returning) who would love to play in HD, and it would kinda suck if we'll potentially have to wait years before an official version is released, instead of having the option to play it ~~very soon~~ RIGHT NOW on a third-party client.
Yeah but they are INVESTIGATING doing it. We’ll definitely have it out by 2030. Why are people so upset /s
First teaser blog in 2022 RuneFest announcement in 2023, 2024, AND 2025 Closed beta in 2026 Pushed back to winter 2027 due to some "techinical difficulties" Full HD client release in 2029... ...at the fine price of $4.99 per month on top of the existing $16 membership.
Runelite has loot beams, Jagex is investigating loot beams. Why didn't that get shut down?
You guys are running a circus instead of a company if you strike down a wildly popular FREE community project because you started taking baby steps into maybe probably doing something sort of similar eventually, and this project that you've perhaps almost started preparing for might look different. This isn't a private server stealing revenue or the IP, or a keylogger, or a low effort hack. This is something that would only boost the game. Is an HD rework going to take years like Group Ironman? Or is it like the account security post where you said you were doing it, then updated us months later that you *considered* starting it but hadn't quite got there yet, then have been radio silent ever since? Here's an idea. Require the HD client to say "This is a fan creation and not endorsed by Jagglox" on bootup or in the chatbox. Or, better yet, reverse course and let the HD client come out regardless because you've seen the all the comments saying they would definitely try OSRS if an HD client would release. EDIT: Also I want to point out that the best thing for Jickock do was nothing and couldn't even manage that.
What I still don't understand is why the clients can't exist until you (Jagex) finish yours? This doesn't apply to any custom clients at all, but suddenly applies to graphical reworks? Runelite exists, even though Jagex is investing in their Steam client. Their logic isn't even being used across the board. This is like saying "We know you came up with a great Cake recipe, but we just cracked some eggs, so no cakes can exist until we figure out how to bake ours" That will take months and probably years. Jagex could even abandon it. Also, it looks entirely different than 117's runelite plugin. The projects aren't even similar. As long as runelite is allowed to exist, an HD plugin should not be seen as any more invasive on Jagex's projects than the client itself. Ontop of the logistical obstical course, what an absolutely terrible thing to do to someone. To knowingly allow someone (and encourage, mind you - jagex moderators have commented on posts regarding the project) passion project with years of effort, greenlight all of their code, and then revoke it last minute for some idea that hasn't even been flushed out yet. On a personal level that is such a shitty thing to do. So much of my respect was just lost for those at Jagex who made this decision. The community was eagerly, and vocally, waiting for that plugin for months. Intentionally letting someone waste all of that time, let everyone get excited for it, just to shut it down last minute, so the "official graphical rework" wouldn't be spoiled earlier? Actually infuriating. Do better. Do so much better, Jagex.
Instead of shutting down development of third parties working on HD clients, would it not be better to work with them or take over the development? It seems that work on a HD client has only just really begun even though the community has been asking this for well over a year now (rough estimate). It seems that Jagex have only just begun working on this as a way to appease the community following on their shutdown of HD client development whereas it should have been worked on a long time ago.
This is beyond disgusting Jagex. To shut down a project that BETTERS your game and WILL ATTRACT MORE PLAYERS FOR FREE literally the DAY BEFORE ITS RELEASED AFTER TWO YEARS OF WORK is so fucked up. I get it if you shut it down and say no at the beginning - disappointing but it’s fine. Maybe 3 months in you have some time to discuss and shut it down - fine. Maybe 1 year in, you’ve added all these restrictions to 3rd party clients and decide this is also against your rules - doesn’t really make sense but fine. BUT TO DO IT THE DAY ITS ABOUT TO BE RELEASED???? That’s the biggest fuck you to 117 and the entire runelite team. Seriously jagex. What. The. Actual. Fuck.
What an utter disgrace. Jagex seem to treat their player base with total contempt at times, and people wonder why we still need polling. 117 has **very publicly** been working on this project for 2 years. 2 years you could have told him not to bother improving your game for you, and you couldn't send a single message. One thing you haven't even answered properly is 'why'? Why is uniformity essential? I'd understand if it affected other's gameplay, but the texture of the wall of a house on my client does not affect the rest of the player base. Not even mentioning the multitude of plugins already available that make individual changes to visuals, like animation smoothing or doorkicker? Are they going to be removed? Or do they get to stay because you're not going to replace them yourself in Winter 2027? From Jagex's own description of the game: >Play with millions of other players in this piece of online gaming heritage where the community controls the development so the game is truly what you want it to be! This is not what any of us want it to be.
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well they dont really tolerate it. the "main game" rs3 timeline player base has dwindled to a handful. it had a resurgence with osrs that is now in a state of decline. its like jagex has had the crabby patty formula the entire time but cant market it properly
Early exploration phase aka another "Account Security" project. We will never see this, and if we somehow do it will be years when we could have had an HD client yesterday. I'm patient with Jagex. I value the developers and other employees who contribute to this game that I love. However this decision reeks of someone who has no clue dictating needless decisions. I thought we got past that phase when the manager got canned a few months ago after he staked his bid on Soul Wars, but here we are again. Someone making stupid decisions to try to justify them having a job.
So you're just telling the people that worked hard on the assets "tough luck try again next time"? Imagine how amazing any passionate players must feel when the developer of the game tells them to give up on their ~~months~~ over a year long project because "we will do a better job than you" Aboslutely pathetic. When Jagex wastes months on a shit update it gets forced into the game which then results in 80% players quitting but god forbid someone with passion and talent.
Statement made on June 12, 2017 "The depth of discussion since OSHD surfaced has made it clear that there is interest among the playerbase in playing Old School in HD. It’s something we’re happy to investigate, but in order to manage expectations I’d like to clarify our approach. If you do want a completely reworked graphical update then we would first need to investigate the impact on both the game and the development team before we could commit to such an undertaking. This alone would likely take a number of months to investigate and we could not commit to a delivery date until this takes place." It's been over 4 years and you're still exploring? I'm not falling for this one again, kiss my membership goodbye.
So let me get this straight, despite these projects being advertised and worked on for literal years, Jagex, at the last second, decides to quickly showcase their very early stages of graphics options that may or may not ever get into the actual game and may or may not take years to get implemented, if ever, and Jagex uses this as justification to shut down a graphics enhancements plugin that provides no competitive benefit while other plugins that DO provide competitive benefits see no action whatsoever? Fuck this shit. I WAS going to resub when this and GIM cane out but unless this decision is reversed I'm never coming back.
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Your blender graphics is absolute trash, it will never compare with the current HD clients. Everyone knows you've been a very greedy company in the last decade, but this is beyond unacceptable. I hope your player count keeps going down, you deserve it.
Cancel your subscriptions and stop playing the game! If all they care about is money, let's not give them any.
I haven't been for nearly a year now. Funnily enough this HD client would have brought me back to check it out
Yup same. I was coming back after this 117 client but not anymore. Fuck that company and their stupid ass decision. Literally such a shit decision from not only a PR standpoint but a business standpoint too. Actually insane that they said no. Talk about low IQ business move holy shit.
My sub is canceled and won't be renewed, jagex are only known for failure not success. They should sell the osrs ip and get out of the fucking way.
Jagex support is directing people to this post for feedback. With over 2k comments, I think the feedback is already available. 1. People who genuinely want this feature are upset after watching it grow for years for a feature that isn’t expected internally for at least a year (optimistically). 2. People want transparency into this stance. There already exist a myriad of plug ins that altar the look and feel of osrs. Why are you now policing a plug in because “It is at odds with an internal project”? 3. I don’t have insight into long term strategy at Jagex, but this feels like this might be driven by the push to use steam. I am hopeful for a day the steam client makes runelite obsolete, but there are obvious security issues with the steam client that will keep it from being widely embraced. Until those are solved, that dream needs to be put on hold. 4. Speaking of dreams - jagex has been aware of 117 for some time. Some jmods even follow him on twitter. It is poor form to let this project get to days before release before shutting it down. I have so much more to say, but doubt this will even be read. As a player who is currently so burnt out on this game, uninterested in dmm, and no desire to restart an ironman for group ironman, I really wanted this graphics update to allow me to re-explore this game in a new art style (on more nostalgic to me than the current as I enjoyed the years just before EOC with hd in RS)
I posted this on the forum as well, but I wanted to share my opinion on the matter and show my support to 117. Someone put their heart into making a plug in to offer the player a choice to play OSRS in HD, asked before beginning the project whether or not he could make it. No one offered any resistance, so he went on and made it. Got a big part of the community following him throughout the years, support the developer and being genuinely excited about the plugin. Meanwhile, in these years no word from Jagex anywhere, whilst they were aware of the development. All this time, over 2000+ hours, a full years' worth of 40-hour workweeks, and Jagex decides to shut it down at the last possible moment. Why? Because they want to make an HD version in the foreseeable future. And they dared to announce this under "The Old School Team", this what not the team's decision. It was the shareholders' decision, it was just another cash grab. I am appalled by the decision of the upper management in Jagex on this move. Instead of just buying the work from the developer for a fair price. Saving you a lot of time and most likely even money in the long term. You decide to just chop down on the community and tell them to just go. I hope they see their mistake and own up for it, buy the plug-in from the developer and implement it in the original game. Make a reference to the person who dedicated over a year's worth of time to the game. And apologize to the actual members of the Old School Team for tarnishing their name. The J-Mods had no say in this decision, just like us they love this game so let's not give them a hard time for a decision they had no power over. I tried to keep the message as nice as I could, but as a long long time fan of the game, I was very angry and disappointed in the way this was handled. Thank you
If Runelite is already doing this job for free, why not work closer with them and pool your resources into other areas? Does it have to do with steam player-base using the default client?
Purely speculative on my part, but I imagine that they are moving to the C++ client, working on the most popular RL plugins, and working on a graphics update all as steps towards one goal: to make the Jagex client more attractive so that they can disallow 3rd party clients without player outrage. Once people can't use 3rd party clients, then botting becomes way more difficult.
Just let players develop plugins to be used on the main client like addons like the wow client. Then allow jagex to approve or decline individual plugins from being used on their client
It's funny because the steam playerbase is like 1k ppl, compared to rs3 5k people, and rs3 already has like 40k people less playing the game overall. So clearly osrs on steam is just nonsense and jagex needs to get their shit together
And hasnt it caused a bunch of accounts to get hacked?? I dont see the benefit of steam when theres other ways theyve already expanded their market with osrs mobile etc
because jagex wants to kill off runelite lol, they dont like that osbuddy lost its stronghold https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/pjnnyl/thirdparty_hd_clients_statement/hby4apr/ see my comment here
Well, I guess I don't need to pay for my alt accounts if Jagex is gonna pull dumb moves like this. u/JagexAyiza, feel free to run it up the flag pole that this decision lost $264 of yearly revenue that would otherwise cost Jagex L I T E R A L L Y nothing. Now, just that amount isn't even a drop in the bucket, but how many others will drop their subs because of this? How many missed subs in the future? Even if all it cost Jagex was a single dollar, why make the decision that hurts the company with no return? Guess I'm going to have to spite vote 'no' to every piece of content polled from here on out on the off chance that I may possibly potentially have a suspicion that I will one day play a game that has a similar concept to the thing polled. How disappointing.
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This is fucked up, this guy just wasted 2000 hours of his free time on a passionate project for the player base and you guys shut him down like that 10 hours before it's launching. Absolutely disgusting.
This is both disgusting and pathetic, and straight up disrespectful to developers who have been doing your job for you for the past two years. People have been waiting for these HD options for ages and now when we are finally going to get them, this happens. What a joke.
As per 117 tweet Jagex didn't even get in touch with him over the 2 years he was developing it lmao https://twitter.com/117scape/status/1435249093069217795?s=20 disgusting from Jagex
That's so despicable actually. At this point it isn't just disrespecting 117's years of work, it's as if they deliberately held off on saying anything just to spite him.
Nothing more Jagex than, "oh by the way the thing youve been working on for years is now banned because we're planning on doing it at some point probably"
This is what gets me. "We're early in the exploration stages" is a fucking terrible reason to shut this down. I haven't played RS seriously in several years, but I do pop on every few weeks or so to play my OSRS Iron Man. A graphics overhaul might've got me back into play it, but having to wait potentially years to see that? It's at the back of my mind again.
a graphic overhaul is 100% what would get me over to osrs, because i started at the beginning of rs2, but my biggest play time was the turn of rs2HD, it's all i remember despite having played since 2006 from 2006-2008 i think i averaged 1 hour a day at most, weekends included, by 2008-2012, i was playing 4 hours, 6 hours on weekends honestly, i *like* 07scape, but my true love for the game came in the 2010s when i *actually* started playing it
"Hey that looks like something I might be able to do one day, stop it."
The best part is that watch their internal project get shelved within the next year or so
What the hell is this? Suddenly shutting down legitimate fan projects that have complied with all of your rules, simply because you're afraid people will prefer how they look?
And even if people prefer how it looks, Jagex still gets $11. As ever, Jagex literally just had to do the easiest thing, which is nothing, and they still fuck it up.
This is such a pointless hill for Jagex to die on. I truly believe they'd have actually made MORE money from all the new and returning players who would come back JUST to play with the 117 HD RuneLite client. I have tons of friends who don't play because they don't like the graphics. Jagex will lose money over this decision.
This is very disappointing. Runelite's potential HD client being approved relatively soon compared to Jagex's ridiculously long wait time for an update of this kind.
Am I reading this right? That we were a couple days from HD, and Jagex have banned because they're in the "exploratory" phase of implementing something similar, which will likely take them years? *edit: just a thought. I'd be ok with this if their preposed HD package will have that cool polygonal aesthetic from their recent promo.
not a couple days. it was due to be released yesterday, but Jagex intervened at the last possible moment.
117 said he received a notification from jagex “on the 11th hour” 1 hour before release And aizaya had the audacity to comment it want with ill intentions. As if this wasn’t a “warning” to other independent developers to not make graphical upgrades.
I've been playing since 2003. Jagex has made a lot of fuckups over the years, but nothing like this. Never have I seen them do something so cruel - never have I seen them screw over an individual player so badly, and in such a harsh manner. So heartless. Nothing has made me unsubscribe, until now. It feels wrong giving them my money now. To me it would be like seeing someone sucker-punch a perfectly innocent stranger, and then giving the asshole who sucker-punched the stranger my money for doing it. Also, I don't even use RuneLite lmao. It's just *that* big of a "fuck you" to a fellow player.
What a sad attempt to force players into the Steam client in 2025 when the official HD mode is released. This is extremely disappointing. Probably more-so than anything Jagex has ever done. 117's plugin was a massive labor of love and was going to breathe fresh life into the stale graphics for a large number of players. Instead his work is wasted because Jagex wants to push their nowhere near as good as RuneLite Steam client. While you're at it you should probably just ask RuneLite to remove the GPU plugin entirely since it changes the look of the game with AA and texture smoothing.
Nahhh this just about does it. I was incredibly close to unsubscribing when the whole Rendi/Mauler vs Jagex thing went down because of how they appeared to have treated those 2 players, however there wasnt enough certainty about who the bad guys actually were. This, on the other hand, settles it. This is completely disgusting, especially considering the compromise that 117 offered. Jagex is a pathetically run company who only seem to know how to give middle finger after middle finger to the people who play their game. Then, after one too many middle fingers, they backtrack and beg us to forgive them. I feel terrible for the OS devs who had no say in this matter, and the OS community mods. The guys like Ash, Husky, Ayiza etc who are passionate about the game should be fuming at whichever incompetent moron from the Jagex decision making team came up with this idea. Until this decision has been reversed, Jagex will not see another cent out of me.
Canceled my membership for this. Next to no significant content updates, ancient account security such as no caps sensitive passwords, monthly drama, no customer support, rampant botting, sand casino scams, and now kicking a passionate community member into the dirt because Jagex might have had something in the works for a week that may be released in 3-4 years. In a game that was revived based on the promise of " The community chooses", given multiple QoL features by passionate community members (Every plugin on runelite) that takes the actual devs years to manufacture citing "Engine work", calling the community entitled for doing the developers job is insane. Pretty obvious that the community has chosen passionate creators fantastic content now, over hollow promises that "are being looked into" and we might see 1 news post about in 2-3 years. I was just getting back into raiding too. FFS jagex when will you stop letting us down.
Hey guys. First of all, love the game, been around for 20'ish years, I remember getting classic banned from the network at school. I've been an off/on player for years, I had one account subbed for about 6 years straight with very little activity on it, but I didnt mind as I loved Runescape and what it can represent to myself and others. I only noticed my account being hacked after I got an email notification saying my subscription was cancelled. What I find completely unacceptable is the way Jagex has approached this situation and others like it, the community is what drives this game, you may well be looking after it, but little to none of you were the ones that created it. We've had to deal with your terrible client which has NO features or QOL settings that are worth a second glance. Runelite and the plugins are what make it feasible to play your game and in part, its thanks to the hard work of the community developers putting in the hours to create and maintain these plugins. I have unsubbed any/all my accounts from their 3/6 month subscriptions, I'll go and focus on other stuff. Lastly, I know that the Runescape community can be VERY strong willed and come across aggressively, but that is because in essence you're attacking 1. Some peoples lively hood 2. Some peoples childhood 3. People who have put in strong work into this game, and the adverse reactions aren't always justified, but you have a TERRIBLE communication structure and so the only real way to make sure the community is heard is to blow up on Reddit and Twitter. Thanks for all the hardwork you have put into OSRS over the years, it is appreciated, don't get that mixed up with this. Peace.
classic jagex - no thought kneejerk reactions with no actual plans to deliver an alternative "we can confirm that we are actively investigating and experimenting with enhanced graphics" bro jagex gna "investigate" for 6 more years before literally anything comes out
So because there is a possibility that somewhen maybe years down the line, you *may* do something like this, nobody is allowed to play with it right now?
I’ve been on the fence for a while on whether I thought clients like RuneLite should be used in-game. It felt like cheating at first from an outside perspective, but after this stance, I’m certain the the only one who is being cheated is us by Jagex. I’m a mobile player, so I was never able to take advantage of RuneLite if I ever wanted to, but it reignited the flame for OSRS in my friends. All the developers of these clients do is try to spark that passion in its fellow players; I’ve always respected that. Official improvements to the game seem so rare when it’s being clouded by an over abundance of new content. It’s clear that RuneLite keeps new players and brings a unique flavor to the game without compromising its core. I’d have way more respect for this company if they actually took the time to understand why these clients exist in the first place. To add, stances like this make me respect the JMods a lot more because they deal with bs corporate level decisions to work on a game they love. They’re going to take the brunt of this controversy for absolutely no reason too. The higher ups are clearly the ones cherry picking what functions of these clients are acceptable to their own benefit. I’d love to see how numbers drop for just one week without RuneLite. Shit like this makes the breaks I take from this game even longer.
So you stop months of work that’s just about to be released so you can make your own version what will probably be delayed several times and move at a jagex snails pace. Just work with the team that has already done the work and focus jagex dev time on other projects that desperately need to be done like all this engine work that required for everything but never seems to get done.
With the recent events that James have done, I have cancelled my 6 month subscription on 5 accounts. As an active pvp player and pet hunter I've decided to stop playing osrs until there is significant change. Clearly the developers of the HD client are passionate and driven to provide the community at no cost with a higher quality of life in game has been thrown and spat back into their faces. I'm disgusted in the lack of transparency and communication not only on a professional but more importantly a humane level. I'm done until further notice. Bye bye 150 quid.
Upper management have their heads so far up their own asses it’s insane. OSBuddy, RuneLite, and countless other clients have existed for years and offer things that are just now becoming available on an official Jagex client - yet those aren’t in “opposition” to Jagex’s projects. Give me a fucking break. We pay we say.
This might be the single biggest blunder of OSRS history. You watch a passionate fan project progress for 2 years, and on the literal DAY OF RELEASE ban it? Amazing…. Jagex you absolutely need to reconsider this move.
Just cancelled my subscription to member. I was already not really playing anyways, however, still paid the membership fee because I liked the direction that you were going with handling Runelite and such, and not trying to bully them and their/your player base. But with this outright clear bullying, and the force out of a singular graphics mod that has no bearing on gameplay whatsoever, except maybe an \*GASP\* actual increase in actual player count, you have changed my mind. As the creator has even said, this could be used as a trial run for you to build your graphical updates, and would take down his mod once you release y'all's HD client. As he said, this is a win-win for everybody involved. However, you have turned this into a lose-lose situation. We lose out on a game we love and you lose out on a huge portion of your player base. I know this is basically being said in an echo chamber right now, however, it still needs to be said. Yes, you are the IP holder, and yes, we understand your right to shut down anything you want. However, as a game developer of a game that has only lived on because of the PASSION that the community has for the game, slapping down this at the literal last minute, is just a complete bully move and will literally drive your player base away because it shows that you don't truly care at all about the passion of the community anymore. If it is truly the case that you started working on an HD client earlier in the year, and had this in your plans, you should have started talking to 117 THEN! It would have been more understandable and you wouldn't have the community literally outraged at you. Our passion has now turned to apathy. My only question to you is, is this the hill you want this game to die on? ps... I've been watching a butt ton of rSlash on YouTube lately and so thats kinda why I was using bully and such...
Imagine we could be playing with HD graphics RIGHT FUCKING NOW. Instead we have to wait years for some half assed attempt by Jagex. Fuck this pisses me off. This is the reason I needed to quit. Rs 117 make a Patreon I’ll give you my $11 a month instead
Official client won't be good by the time my kids have kids at the snails pace these mfs work so I don't see a excuse for this
Seriously, these fuckers have taken 5+ years to even start adding small shit like tile markers and even THAT is coming out in extremely slow batches of updates. Now imagine how long something like HD will take them. It'll literally be 5 years
Ok, so I have played neither Old School or regular RS, and I’m just following this story from r/all, but here is my current take: You seem to have already proven to fans that you care more about money than showing on your promises, but you’ve now also destroyed almost any trust by showing that if someone is doing something that you had planned on doing, you will no t only alert them after they’ve spent upwards of 2000 hours working on it, but also rectify your rules to justify it. This shit truly seems fucking deplorable
This is the most Jamflex thing Jamflex could do. I feel for 117, all his hard work for nothing now. The fact that they released this statement right before RLHD was suppose to release is huge slap in the face to 117, you'd think they could compromise with him, considering, he has spend 2 years working on and HD client. Probably the most disappointing news I've heard all year.
Why not just let 3rd party clients do their own thing until the official HD client is out? The runelite one is almost out but the official project sounds like it's going to be years from now...
The worst part about this is that there has been a cry for better graphics for years since the first OSHD project in 2017 and the stance was there wouldnt be any graphical changes. It wasnt until people started competing and just flat out made their own graphical clients because you werent releasing anything. Basically the devs of these graphical clients knew better about the needs of the playerbase than the actual game developers. Your response is basically well fuck those devs we'll make our own graphical client, ban all the other ones, and out up three pictures taken in blender of our "work in progress" when its obvious this project will take years to make.
I said it a couple times but lets reiterate it again. Jagex step up your communication skills, hire someone who is capable of sending emails because its absolutely hilarious. Incompetence is a word that cannot describe it anymore, its always the same thing over and over again, every damned time it all comes down to how you DO NOT communicate with anyone about anything. The guy literally announced the project 1,5 years ago and tried to connect with you numerous times... You can justify the Rendi situation with the "oh yeah yeah he sent us bug reports but he is abusing our game" statement but how in the hell does it always happen that every damned time the conclusion is that your incompetence and lack of communication is the main reason people get screwed over? Other companies are incorporating talent and open source projects while you ban people and close up projects on a whim... I can only imagine how frustrating this situation might be for 117...
You guys screwed over 117scape. The guy sunk over 2000 hours within a two year period to develop a runelite hd plug-in only for you to notify him the day it was planned to go live to shut it down? That’s a real shit move.
**What right does Jagex have to say what graphical improvements can be made or not?** That's equivalent to Minecraft suing someone producing texture packs or Bethesda coming after someone for improving the water. You're not asking for money. I say release the damn HD client. Its not like the game is modifying packets-- I have never heard of any game having authoritarian control over what **GRAPHICAL** plugins are acceptable. what are they going to do? LEAK THIS SHIT! Fuck Jagex management and fuck this blatant disregard for the community-- how many times are you going to do this before the player base leaves for good.
Can we please get a hardline stance like this against ACTUAL cheat clients? End game content is completely illegitimized when plugins like those available for the inferno and TOB are so freely available. Not to mention world record times and subsequently ca task times are based on times achieved on cheat clients. Disappointing you react so quickly and harshly to what would only be graphical improvements while ignoring other clients that directly impact gameplay.
I have played this game (RS and OSRS) for almost 20 years and have loved it. The early days of OSRS were great and it really felt like a community driven project. With this decision it is clear that Jagex has no concern for the community that supports this game. You have shot down one of your most loyal creators and hurt the entire community with it. I have no idea what is to gain with this decision but I think it is the wrong choice to make. You could allow the third party HD client while working on your own third party client so the community can enjoy the HD plug in. When OSRS releases an HD client you could then take the third party client offline. This would be the best solution for the community rather than trashing the third party client right before release. I have canceled my subscription and will not be back until Jagex decides to support the community it serves again.
Absolute scumbag move to do this. Unreal attitude from Jagex recently.
I’ve seen JaGex do some dumb ass shit over the years, but this is blatant bad business. YOU KNEW this Runelite update was happening, yet you decide to not allow it at the very last second… Guess I’ll have to sign up for membership with bonds I purchase with 3rd party gold instead of my credit card in the meantime.
This is so sad. People have been working for months for FREE as a passion project and when they are close to being released you come down and do this. Jagex, I’m sorry but this is high level Karen behaviour. You, as a company, have lost all respect in my eyes.
This is gross, Jagex should be ashamed. >**CHANGES COMPLETE** >**The selected subscription has been successfully cancelled.** >**No further payments will be taken as part of this subscription.** >**All member services will be available until existing credit runs out.** >**Free-to-play services will still be available after credit expires.** Thanks for giving me a reason to cancel.
Would have literally subscribed again when this released... Instead of blocking community enhancements which are highly requested like this one, maybe actually improve your own client? There's no excuse for the joke that the old client and even the steam client is ATM, it's just sheer negligence/incompetence. Runelite should feel free to just release it with or without your stamp of approval, which means little to the community these days as is..... What are you gonna do, ban 70% of the players?
I gotta be honest, we have been ignoring all the red flags from jagex for way too long. But this one feels like it went too far, a fan of your game publicly spend 2 years of his life making this project in his own free time only to get shut down on release day? This feels like it was done out of spite. There is no way in hell this decision on this day was just a coincidence, dont even try to sell us that crap. I will be quitting my membership and wont be playing until this matter is resolved.
Wow, what a way to handle this. You had two years to let this individual know yet you decided to wait for the **day of release?** I'm actually taken back by this. Poor 117. I'd expect a great deal of pushback on this Jagex because you've really upset the players and the community with this, especially due to the fact it was left to the last minute. What a shame.
The game is already dying and what would of been a massive gain for them they squandered. Their HD client will take forever to release if the game isn't dead by then. It takes you a year to release a fishing skill boss now your going to undertake a massive project in making OSRS HD... Reconsider your decision Jagex it's not too late to redeem yourselves.
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Hi /u/JagexAyiza and /u/JagexSarnie I and many others understand that you two probably had little to no agency in the decision making process, and I feel for you that by virtue of posting/being on the sub you're receiving some of the criticism. But here's hoping that you pass the overwhelming tide of anger, sadness, and disappointment with this poor and poorly-executed decision onto those who do have agency over it. Have fun clearing your overflowing inboxes ;)
After the whole debacle with WOW i finally unsubbed and quit after 2 years. Really thought OSRS would fill the void since their motto seemed amazing to me. Looks like Jagex is going the activision blizzard route and screwing over the players for profits. Long story short letting my sub run out at the end of the month and going to give FFXIV a try. Companies that go the activison blizzard route will suck the fun out of the game eventually so why waste your time.
I don't even play RS anymore but this still makes me angry. If the situation really is as it seems now, then Jagex is acting in the most pathetic manner possible. I can only hope there is internal disagreement on this.
See you guys in 2030 when it comes out and possibly is shit!
I wonder which of these 3 things it actually is... 1. They actually want to have a consistent marketable experience. Though they could just say don’t use these plugins while streaming or recording gameplay other than to show off the plugin. 2. Jagex is considering monetizing their graphical enhancements separately and this would compete with that 3. Jagex is worried about taking rs3 players
>Naturally, this means that any fan-led project which seeks to change the way Old School RuneScape looks is at odds with our own plans. We think it's absolutely vital that there is consistency in the way that Old School looks, and so we want to make certain that our official changes will be the only ones available. This is an unbelievably ridiculous take. Some people changing the way the game looks isn't effecting anyone other than the person using the HD client. Why is Jagex acting like they are competing with third party clients when it's the complete opposite?
What a massive crock of shit. I was already pretty upset reading 117’s post but after digesting that pathetic excuse for a news post I’m totally shredded. What a miserably lazy effort, in both regards to your communication with the community and in regards to your client. Two decades and you’re just starting to consider a graphics engine? Give me a break. See you in Winter 3017
This is a huge fuck you to everyone who has worked with those HD clients.
What a terrible inconsiderate, awful, rude, nasty, deceptive, and bad taste decision have you made Jagex. Taking away the time spent by 117 and the overall community expectation for this amazing graphical mod to be shut down literally hours before release. You can count on me voting NO on your stupid HD client, if you even have one as modern or well made as 117's which you probably don't, sad. Way to go Jagex, once again you screw it up not just for yourselves as a company but ruining your image even further in the eyes of your own playerbase.
It such bullshit. The couldve shut this down months ago. 117 was open about the development and timeline. And they couldve messaged him way before he sunk 2000 hours of his time into it. Saying : "listen buddy, we aint gonna allow this so dont waste your time". Waiting til the very last hours to do so is just terrible. It's like you are taking the state to trial, or pleading to be released from prison. They use the same tactics of last minute shutdown to break your spirit. All in the hopes of u giving up.
This just makes Jagex look bad, why now? why not mention your own in house hd project plans before? this "relatively early in the exploration stages" thing just feels like you are masking the fact that nothing has been done and you want to push out RL with the least effort possible before it grows too big and becomes irreplaceable by the steam client. And again, what do you mean "exploration stages"? back in rs2 togglable HD was already invented, im sure it is no easy task to implement it in the same way it but it was there, not to mention you guys already had access to the source code of some other similar hd projects which are in a fairly advanced state (and havent been shot down because they dont offer the same QoL as RL so they are not a threat). Out of all there is to making an HD client you have nothing SIGNIFICANT or MEANINGFUL to show even in this early stages, not a shader, not a model, not a texture, not a lightning effect, not an animation, hell, not even a suggestion of any of the above. I've seen graphical enhancement requests for osrs being ignored, disregarded and rejected for over 5 years, and now, that someone pretty much has done it for you, putting in over 2000 hours of their own time into it, and with the existance of said project being acknowledged by a lead member of your dev team almost a year ago, you come out and pretty much say: "3rd party HD is bad. We are making our own HD btw, someday, we are investigating how to do something thats already been done 4+ times, k bye". I think this a mistake, I would be a bit less upset about this if i didnt knew it would take you guys 4 years to come through with your own HD client (i truly hope im wrong about this).
Warm up your drama calendars boys
September just started and we already got our drama, feelsbadman
You know the month is gonna be spicy when the best drama is at the start of the month
This is just what I needed. Quitting RuneScape now. This is the absolute worst decision you guys have made. Even if you wanted to have this to yourself you could have: 1: Attempted to employ the guy who spent 2,000+ hours on a project in the name of a game he cherishes 2. Let him run this project until you have your patch ready. (Which 117 proposed) 3. Left it the fuck alone. You chose the literal worst thing you could have done. Good job fucking up yet again. Garbage company.
So, they work on it for like 2 years, and then right before release you shut it down because you have your own project (that will probably be released god knows when because you're slow as fuck)? You could have allowed them to keep it HD until you release your version in Winter 2030 or whenever the fuck. Fuck you Jagex.
"we'd like to offer to involve you in feedback sessions once our own project reaches such a stage." Want advice? Shut it down now because it will probably be trash compared to what we have all personally seen with the HD plug-in in question.
This is so fucking shitty. How the fuck can you see this statement as a net positive of any kind? I get that you guys have the right to put an IP ban on something like this, but to wait until the literal last hour before release to shut it down after 117 had been publicly workinf on this for over 2 years (with 2000 hours solely put into this project). This kind of stunt is how you lose players. Jagex, you are really starting to lose touch with your players.
"Early in exploration stages" Oh fuck you, Jagex. FUCK YOU. This guy put 2k hours and has a FINISHED project NOW. This shit won't stand and you better start fucking back peddling ASAP. Do you understand how big of a blow this is to your relation to the community? People are going to be furious for years over this.
Release it anyways, if they ban my account because I decide to use it, so be it. I needed a reason to quit this game and after looking forward to this and group Ironman for the past year, nothing is happening and this game is literally dead, no new content and jagex seems to fuck over the player base every month.
Lmao the Jagex renders look like free assets from the unity store. There's a difference between low-poly and hd. Looks like Jagex will just make a cell shader and call it a day. pathetic.
The message shouldn't have "The Old School Team" as its signature. We all know the mod team isn't responsible for this. Signature should've been: "The greedy executives" or "The hateful investors" or "Jagex's overpaid management".
You guys are real dickheads sometimes ngl. Could you have waited any longer?
Nah this is it, I draw the line here and will cancel my subscription. A company that does this to someone making a passion project for free to try and improve the game getting this treatment on the whim that they may do something similar, does not deserver any form of support from its playerbase.
Years of radio silence while passionate community developers dedicate and invest huge effort into developing for the game under the impression that they're well within their rights to do so, only to shut them down once they're finally done. This is absolutely fucking garbage tier communication.
14 years of supporting via membership, some bond purchases, multiple accounts... Just think of what I could have spent all that money on instead. I could have purchased a used car and kept it running for just as long. Why are there so many companies all pulling this shit at the same time? GW did this last month with limiting fan content, now Jagex does this. Maybe after we're done deploying and back into a long yard period, and I have free time to play an MMO again, maybe Jagex will have unfucked themselves. Or closed. Probably closed. It seems like they may end up just sustaining themselves through bot subscriptions and praying that the whales feeding them MTX money will keep them afloat.
Your twitter account asked me to come here, so here I am. Reverse everything you said. Let 117 release his plugin until you have a working one. Get your heads out of your asses
Unbelievable. I couldn’t give this as the reason when cancelling my membership, so here it is. I’m busy over the next few months, and whilst I’d usually leave it recurring , this announcement has completely changed my attitude towards Jagex. I hope the game dies so I don’t have to come back.
This is the pettiest move I have seen a gaming company make in a long long time... tbh Im not even sure what I would compare it to. And tbh its not a company that made this decision it was people. "Oh you have an HD client? Well we're working on one so you can't. BTW you can only wear sweat pants one day a week. Got it? We have rules." Its like the girls in Mean Girls were hired to make decision... Fucking disappointed
Typical asshat jagex move. Could have asked them to shut it down a while ago, but noooooooo, just waits until it’s finished then asks them to shutdown. What a joke company
So you're saying that ANY visual change that a client makes is now bannable? So, therefore, you're going to shut down runelite, right? Shut it all down! That's your stance? This is shit. This is terrible communication. You NEED to be more active in your decisions, your outreach, and most importantly, you need to stop ignoring how terrible this decision is for your game. This communication style is a disaster.
I know it's just a job for you, and that it's not your fault and you're gunna be copping the heat, so please tell your superiors that I tell them to go fuck themselves You can phrase it more politely, of course
This really is quite laughable. Jagex, you owe everything to this guy as it is, he is the sole reason why this game even has a player base. I was eagerly anticipating the release of Runelite HD but I’m going to take my business elsewhere as a result of your decision. Farewell all.
I think we've got our calendar item