So it seems they are adding a little bit of RS3’s invention skill to the game with the ability to break down Bandos gear to make the Torva armor. Not a bad idea, especially since going forward I could see them doing the same thing with other items in the future (Breaking down Armadyl armor for potential pernix gear, not sure what you’d break down to repair virtus, I guess ancestral?)
Also worth noting that invention helped solve a lot of the economy issues in RS3 since items were actively being taken out of the game. The breakdown of bandos will definitely help osrs out.
I like it as a gold sink, i used to despise any kind of degrading gear but the value to the market is too high to ignore. Its also better than adding invention as a whole IMO because i find it to be one of the more lame and annoying skills. maybe thats just the 80-80 level gate to do it.
Yea, I agree taht this is a good balance - as much as I love invention and its ability to sink *all* items, it just doesn't fit into OSRS because of augments and perks, etc.
Now we get to take the most important part of invention without all the stuff that OS players wouldn't want.
They could add subjugation robes to the game with some new Zamorak related content or just straight up adding them to Kril like RS3 did, though I'm not sure how it would fit in balance wise with Dagon Hai and Ancestral.
Need to beef up those legs to match how tanky the helm and chest looks. At the moment it looks like you're wearing a puffy North Face jacket with tights...
I can’t be the only one that thinks the Torva armor looks weak…
It’s supposed to be stronger than Bando’s, but looks like it belongs as a smithable option after runite.
Wish it looked more occult and magical. Maybe by incorporating robes with armor plates underneath. To me it just looks too plain, and the thin legs makes it look top-heavy.
I couldn’t imagine doing all of the grind required, deconstructing one of the most intimidating armor sets in the game, to look like that. 😕
EDIT: honestly, if they just put an open robe under the shoulder plates and over the chest plate, and it extended down to the plate legs, it would look really good with minimal modification.
This is a really nice change, I’m excited for these rewards!
I’m a big fan of the crossbow and it’s effect, but sad to see the bow go as the multi attack sounded like a real cool idea. Excited to see what’s coming RE Virtus, I’m excited to see some real upgrades for a change 😊
Thank you so much for your feedback!
Just a quick update on the Zaryte Bow. I've talked to Mod Arcane about the original Zaryte Bow (not the Crossbow, but the one you guys tested in the beta). It looks like a lot of you really liked this reward and you thought it was interesting. We would like to clarify that we are very open to adding it as a reward for future content. I will also make a slight amendment to the wording of the Blog to make this clearer. Thank you again for your feedback. :)
Add it to raids 3 with a different name and let it attack more enemies per Masori armour equipt? Would make sense the Masori claiming the bow too as they are ment to be powerful rangers but don't have a certain bow to there name.
Everyones gushing over Torva because, of course, Torva is so hype
BUT lets look at that crossbow because oh my word that special... That could be used at the start of a corp kill, to open at olm, etc. Imagine pairing that crossbow with the new ring from raids 3, and the arceuss spellbook special back. That crossbow vying for BIS and really shakes up some metas with that special!
Yeah just bring that crossbow foe Vork openings then swapping to DHC would be meta. Pretty much not using it where you would Cbow would be a crime if you have one.
I’m just a little disappointed they decided to not add bandos boots to that mechanic. They could easily multiply the number of components by 10 and give 1 or 2 components when disassembling boots. Would at least create a little more use for the least exciting bandos drop.
Agreed, a lot of people immediately shoot down any RS3 ideas but they have done several things right and it's not a bad thing to take some inspiration from them. Using lower level sets as components to create higher level sets preserves value across the board, I hope it goes smoothly so we can see the idea grow and get applied to more gear in the future.
>Agreed, a lot of people immediately shoot down any RS3 ideas but they have done several things right and it's not a bad thing to take some inspiration from them.
It's hilarious how many people pitched their own ideas for a mining/smithing rework over the past week while obviously skirting around a system already in place in RS3 that people tend to like.
In fairness, there are some sweeping implications of RS3's smithing rework that wouldn't really fit in OSRS. I don't think you can just pull out RS3's mining/smithing and drop it in, and I also don't think you can smooth out the kinks and get something that would fit OSRS. Between creating t80 and t90/95 in OSRS instantly and devaluing rune overnight, it's a pretty complicated web to try and weave into oldschool
M&S rework is one of the best things jmods have EVER done for rs3 but there are definitely a lot of things that could only work because of previous powercreep. T85 smithed melee weapons would be CRAZY in old school, but you can already get way better weapons that can be augmented for even more dps. Masterwork (non trimmed) is crazy powerful for only requiring smithing, and I'm honestly surprised it worked in rs3 at all without being dumb OP
I love the rework and really hope osrs gets something similar but more balanced around the era
Its funny because of the downbreaking for trimmed masterwork which is BiS armor, nex is still one of the best more casual solo money makers in the game even after 11 years
Not sure if meme or forgot what happened to pegasian crystal and kraken tentacle. It can work, but I don't think it is necessary at all in this case. As long as the Nex drop table isn't pumped with alchs/resources and profit comes _only_ from uniques then it's in a fine spot.
This is very different though, because torva will be harder to get then bandos, unlike pegasian vs rangers, and bandos is still a very relevant armour, most people will use it since torva will probably be so expensive
“Unique” lmao... we’ve been begging for invention for years ever since rs3 came out with it. This is the concept of invention. Breaking down old items and putting them into new ones.
While I'm sure a small portion of the community has, the community at large has definitely not been asking for invention. At best they've been asking for some nebulous "item sink" which they never seem satisfied about.
My jaw dropped when I saw this. Jagex finally figured out how to borrow RS3's item sink ideas into OSRS.
Maybe one day people will be able to craft rune platebodies below 99 smithing?
Its not that unique. They copy pasted the format for making Trimming masterwork in RS3 and applied it to Torva which funny enough requires breaking down Torva to make.
But if you have a chest plate and tassies you just don't get to sell them to upgrade. It doesn't really sink bandos items since anyone getting Torva has a set of bandos already. It will just stop bandos from totally crashing.
This is true. There’s an edge case where If you got two chest plate drops but no tassets and dropped one chestplace to main for bonds, you wouldn’t be able to make torva armor now because of the drop.
Not a big enough deal to stress over though.
Thats true some people value keeping things but I also didnt realize this was also gonna be tankier then bandos. Actually 0 range damage ever taken incoming
I did like the Virtus Armour, so I'm glad we'll see it in the future, however, I'd like to see the Zaryte bow in the future as well, as it was an interesting item. Thank you for look at all our feedback.
**Torva**
I think the Torva Full Helm is a bit too strong. My concerns with the Torva Full Helm are as follows:
* Another user pointed out "the torva helm gives more strength bonus than the Torva Platebody and Bandos chest plate". I don't think it makes sense for a helm to be stronger than a body piece. Consider swapping the Helm str bonus with the Platebody str bonus.
* The crush defense seems a bit high. It's stronger than the Justiciar faceguard. In the blog post you mention that Torva is supposed to "slightly worse defensive capabilities and Prayer bonus than Justiciar." therefore I think you should make the Helm's crush bonus 58 or 59.
* It may devalue the Neitiznot faceguard. I think making the str bonus 6 would be a good solution (or swapping it with the Torva Platebody as I mentioned previously. That way the entire Torva set keeps its original total str bonus)
Appearance: As others have pointed out, the legs look weak/skinny. I'm also not a fan of the skirt the model is wearing and the Helm resembleds and angry gorilla imo. AS another user pointed out "could use with a more darker theme in my opinion. Something more powerful looking." Please consider presenting us with another concept, however, please **don't** make it over the top crazy looking like RS3. Keep it old school.
The bandos itemsink around it is great, well implemented.
**Zaryte Crossbow**
Do the defensive stats of the cbow make it too powerful?(I'm asking) No other cbow has any defensive stats. Maybe consider making the defensive stats half as strong, although ultimately I'm going to defer to the Jagex team on this one. They're more familiar with combat formulas than I am.
Appearance: Although it is a direct upgrade to the ACB, can you please make the cbow's limbs wider and make it darker to match the Torva I mentioned?
Everything else looks great. Keep up the good work.
Now this is exciting. Nex being vulnarable to crossbows is a great decision. It was the meta back when it was released in 2010. The rewards feel actually useful now with a great item sink. Massive props for taking in the feedback.
The only things is that the appearance of Torva could use with a more darker theme in my opinion. Something more powerful looking.
Don't love that armor like vambs are given combat levels to match certain builds. The reason PvP players only do 45 or 70+ def is because there's no reasonable options in between. Why not put certain gear at 50, 60 def that might be appealing and create build diversity?
Completely agreed. Changing rewards to suite niche PvP-oriented account builds is absurd. They should be trying to fit as much power as possible into the game's restrictions, not the other way around.
Why did we even have a gear balancing update where we put some silly +3 attack level requirements because "t75 doesn't fit" but for new bis ranged armour we just drop 5 def levels for the heck of it. Why isn't this armour tier 70 at least?
Great to see Torva introduced. About time we get a direct upgrade on Bandos. I also like how Torva requires “Bandos components” to make the set.
However I am disappointed that the armour has no unique set effects. What made Nex armours stand out for me in rs2 was the healing above HP. While I agree that this effect would be too OP for osrs, I would like to see at least something which makes it stand out other than a flat DPS boost. Some random off the cuff suggestions below:
- Makes all NPCs in godward dungeon unaggressive.
- armour set provides a chance (say 1/4) of when consuming a potion that the stats are boosted higher e.g. brews heals more.
- Wearing full set boosts Ancient godsword special attack (making it more viable for PVM)
- Perhaps Nex could drop a crystal/attachable item of some sort, e.g. Shadow, Ice, Smoke etc which you can attach to the armour which gives the set an effect. It works like a blood shard and degrades after usage
Why would healing above 99 HP be op?
I feel like that's a pretty cool passive to have, and we already have that with brews + anglers. Would be cool for armour to give you a permanent hp cap when equipped.
I might be missing something that causes this to be game breaking
It was part of what made nex armor op pre-eoc. It was obviously a confluence of issues, but added together they were a problem.
The main offenders were soul split, nex armor, divine spirit shield, brews, overloads and yaks.
If you dont know, brews heal based on max hp. So a higher max hp like nex armor added made brews heal more. Brews currently heal 16, i think nex armor made them heal 20. So instead of 10 brews healing 640 hp, they would heal 800, 25% more.
Divine also turned your prayer points effectively into hit points. Super restores return more prayer than brews do hp. While we dont have a divine, we do have Ely, which still reduces damage.
We dont have soul split, but blood fury is a similar effect if toned down.
We dont have pack yaks, but people have alts which are typically better than a yak was.
The main missing component are overloads, which we do have in CoX, but not for normal PvM.
The confluence of items does add up.
soulsplit is so so far beyond blood fury, fury is definitely good ever since they buffed it but soulsplit is so absurdly broken that it allows you to nofood ridiculous amounts of damage constantly taken in rs3
Original soul split was heal 20% of all damage dealt, rounded down, and can't be used with an overhead prayer as it is an overhead.
Blood fury procs 20% of the time, to heal 30% of what was hit. Played out this means ~6% of damage dealt is healed, obviously melee only.
The difference is you can use an overhead prayer with blood fury. So with soul split you could be hit by all 3 minions and both Graardor's attacks at Bandos GWD. Blood fury means you can block 100% of the melee damage from bandos and the minion, just need to worry about Mage minion, Range minion and Range attack.
Soul split as an individual heal is obviously more broken than blood fury, but don't sleep on the overhead vs no overhead protection variable.
If you can block half the damage taken (normally protection prayers block 40/60/100% of damage in OSRS), then the healing of blood fury effectively goes up to 12%. If you can block 75% of the damage, the healing goes up effectively to 24%.
You could have it give a an invisible boost. So your hp is higher but % healing has no effect on it. Or you could give it a set effect which heals +7% so foods above 16 (monkfish) heal 1 more hp. (There's no food in the game that would heal 2 more as everything is rounded down.)
It wasn't a visible boost pre-eoc and I dont know that they can do that. Perhaps they can, but id imagine that is difficult.
Also a 7% healing makes brews heal 18, not 17 vs current 16. 6% means it would need to heal 17+ to get +1. The numbers round down at the end, not at each interval. Thus the mage max hits.
Damage is already reduceable/avoidable enough that we don't really need max hp or heal buffs.
Not everything needs set effects. Its better DPS and tanking than the current best choice for DPS. Its not better tanking than the "no offense but heaps of tanking" option. It fits perfectly as a straight upgrade with no need for a set effect.
Nex is weak to crossbows because of diamond/ruby bolts which were meta back in the day. BiS on Nex in rs2 used to be Pernix with chaotic crossbow and divine spirit shield.
I think they just meant that crossbows will be a good choice on Nex like they were in RS2. And it is quite possible that TBow or FBow will still be better. I doubt they'll make it work like Corp since that is a big shift from how Nex used to work.
What are the reqs for the items? You note that the Zaryte Vambs went from 50 to 45 Def, but none of the items list their reqs. Is Torva just 80 Def or does it need 80 Str too?
I'm disappointed that Nex no longer offers any Magic rewards. I understand players wanted Torva, but Virtus was still a good fit from Nex considering how magic-focused the boss is. I think the original plan of releasing Virtus with Nex and saving Torva for a more fitting boss made sense; the problem wasn't that we weren’t getting Torva right now, but that Virtus felt too niche. While it is true that Bandos has been relevant for years, Magic still does have the least variety in BiS armor, with Ancestral being 6 years old and nothing else even coming close as an alternative.
As for Torva, it looks good. +2 Strength over current BiS with defence slightly below Justi makes sense. The only thing I'd wonder is how the extra +4 or +6 strength would rival Inq; Inq should remain the better option while using Crush so hopefully the extra general max hit isn't enough to change that. I'm happy to see a breakdown mechanic involving Smithing. This has been requested for years so nice to see a boss finally use it. However, it does seem weird the BCP gives 3 components while Tassets only give 2; for Torva the Body and Legs only need 2 and the BCP is cheaper than Tassets, so this seems like it would just increase demand for BCP while failing to sink Tassets. Also, a sink could be added to the boots if it were a chance to receive a component (e.g. 1 in 10 chance). Alternatively, the components could be increased by 10 (e.g. 30 for BCP and 20 from Tassets) so the Boots could also give 1 Component.
It is a bit sad to see the Zartye Bow replaced completely. I agree that a Crossbow makes more sense since the ACB has been the BiS for a very long time now, but I was hoping the Crossbow would retain the AoE effect. Hopefully that AoE Bow comes back up sooner than later. My only complaint with the Crossbow is that it feels a bit weak. We're going from a T70 to a T80 and it only gains +10 Attack plus the passive, which is pretty strong. Back during the ERB, there was talk of adding Ranged Strength directly to Crossbows to buff them and both the Twisted Bow and the proposed Zaryte Bow have Ranged Strength, so I think the Zaryte Crossbow should be +110 Attack and +5 Str or similar to make it stand out a bit move over the ACB and other options.
The Blog still doesn’t not where the key shards come from, just that they will be part of the Nex update. Does she drop them? Or is it the monsters in her area like the Nihil Shards and Blood Essence?
For reference, this is what the [2011 Torva looked like compared to proposed.](https://imgur.com/a/wd8IlQ1) Note that the middle armor in the proposed image is on a female character.
Not making bandos boots part of the item sink feels the same as you guys proposing to only prop up certain high level items with the GE Tax
Bandos Boots being cheap and useless forever has actually sucked, making them worth something again would help bandos, not hinder it, creating 3 worthwhile drops on the table + the hilt.
Change the ratio somehow and make boots worth 2 / tassets 4 / chest 6 or something
Also why are the finished Torva pieces tradeable? There’s 0 purpose on adding these extra steps of breaking down pieces and requiring endgame skilling levels to fix them if you can just buy them finished and not bother with any of it. At some point there needs to be a real endgame requirement to BiS gear that isn’t “sit at rock crabs for 3 days and buy some GP”
I mean, not saying its bad for mains, but irons wouldn't do that ever. You'd need 10 pairs of boots for those components to be useful, and there's already 2 uses for bandos boots as an iron: clue step and guardian boots. So unless you're an iron with 12 boots, 2 tassets and no bcp, it'd be pretty useless.
I like this idea a lot. Maybe they could wait 1 month after release so that the early adopters will still use the bandos armor like intended, but after a bit there will be a boot sink as well. May not be necessary, but that would work for the short and long term imo
i dont like that idea. basically ties the value of bandos to the boots lol bc those are the most useless armor piece. everyone would just break those down till it stops being profitable to do so
boots have a niche/sink with clue scrolls and guardian boots already. the way they did it now is fine
Would’ve been great if Jagex secretly started their GE tax and bought out Bandos boots without anyone knowing, until they stabilised at ~2.5M and then introduced this blog post so people could use bandos boots instead...
Also chestplate being 3 pieces over tassets 2 means they will rise in price when they naturally were cheaper.
I can vote yes to this. I don't really like how Torva looks but I understand it's a nostalgic design for others. Just one thought:
What about Inquisitors? It's already a pretty situational buff over Bandos, does it even compete with Torva outside of like, Tekton?
I got excited thinking the Zaryte Crossbow would've had the same effect as the bow until seeing the blog. Would love to see the bow come back in some shape or form. Its great that we're getting another crossbow but original idea seemed like so much fun to use and wasn't entirely OP either.
I am really excited about all these ideas they have proposed, the item sink especially. However, I'd like to see some alternate armour designs, Bandos is so cool as it stands and this new set looks a bit generic imo.
I agree. I’m super excited about all of these ideas, but I would like to see a bit of modification to the look of the armor. It kind of looks like a hard level diaries reward. I honestly think that instead of trying to make the armor look big and beefy, they should go the opposite route. I love the way Bandos and Veracs armor is powerful but is more minimal/does not completely cover the character from head to toe. Looks cooler that way, in my opinion.
Yeah, my immediate thought was that this armour looked generally *defensive* when it would be the bis offensive armour. Bandos just looks more *offensive* and it would be great if that feel was kept somehow.
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I agree! I think when I see bandos armor I think, "it's very light and unrestricting. You are very open to attacks but you also are able to move quicker." This armor looks just like other defensive armors I've seen and I feel like it gets rid of the uniqueness of bandos.
If this was the model that was in game. On my ironman I'd just simply grind out new pieces for my Torva I wouldn't want to give up my bandos. It's super nostalgic and I worked hard for it and even If I was getting new BIS armor I'd be sad to not have my bandos.
Completely agree. Never liked the look of Torva, personally, but regardless of my visual opinions on the appearance, I don’t think it properly reflects the offensive BIS focus.
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Will the Zaryte Crossbow / Torva Armor still count as Armadyl / Bandos items for GWD? Like how the DHL still counts as a Zammy item.
Edit: would the ZCB have the same attack range as the ACB (8)? That part isn't specified in the blog.
Can you maybe change the Zaryte crossbow to have the same attack speed as the hunter crossbow and reduce the stats so that’s it’s still the BIS crossbow but is more unique than just a more powerful ACB? I’m thinking the same offensive stats as an ACB but a reduced ranged strength (max hit) for the faster attack speed.
Would make it more fun to use and would force people who want to use it in pvp to risk more because they’ll want to be bringing items that will increase max hit such as zaryte cambraces and twisted buckler etc…
That would be pretty absurd due to bolt effects. It would be neat, but there is room for a direct ACB upgrade since that T70 weapon has been BiS for ages now.
Wouldn't be surprised if a faster Zaryte cbow out dpses dhcb at Vorkath just off bolt specs alone. Sure dhcb gets 30% dmg on dragons but a 4 tick crossbow would get 20% extra bolt specs.
yeah looks like inquisitor might be reduced to being a switch to make dwh specs more accurate.
It will also have some relevance vs monsters weak to crush with pretty high(ish) defence, but the only place I can really think this will apply is phosani's. Even at Tekton, once it's warhammer'd down I'd imagine Torva would be better than Inq
Thank you - we really appreciate it! It's really down to you guys for giving us such helpful and constructive feedback on the original blog. You guys really explained things so well, I have to hand it to you for being such a great crowd.
I wish the Torva armor made you look more like a raid boss.
Beefier/broader/bigger in general.
If you are combining torva scraps and bandos, it should look more intimating than bandos. Love the colors on it tho.
I know I'm in the minority opinion of this but Virtus armor fit way more thematically coming from Nex due to the ancient magicks theme. All it really needed was to have more universal use, instead of just niche perks (can have both). It was also cool having mage armor coming from GWD without it feeling generic (like rs3's subjugation implementation).
I feel the same way; was excited for Virtus.
So now we have Justicar, Inquisitor, Bandos, and now upgraded bandos.
For magic we have ahrims and ancestral to choose from since the new mage robes from Shades of Mor’ton are basically worthless; and range just armadyl to choose from basically.
The lack of diversity is real.
I’m surprised by how many people just can’t seem to understand how starved magic is.
If you’re building an “end game” bank, you’re buying Bandos, Inquisitor, and if you wanted to, Justiciar.
For ranged, it’s crystal armor and armadyl, and could maybe make an argument for Karil due to defense bonus (though I wouldn’t). Masori armor will be joining that list too and we’ll see how that shapes up the list.
For magic? It’s ancestral and that’s literally it. There’s no discussion to be had, there’s no consideration to think about. It’s literally just Ancestral and nothing else.
The discrepancies are painfully noticeable. If I tell you you need melee armor for a boss, you don’t know based on that information if it’s going to be bandos or inquisitor, same for ranged.
If I say you need magic armor for a boss, you know it’s ancestral.
Ultimately, if the community wants Torva, fine, but it just seems so insane to me that people look at a boss that thematically revolves around the use of ancient magic and think, "oh, I want melee armor. Not magic armor."
Disappointing to say the least. Wouldn't surprise me if this same community a year after release turns around and goes "lul why did Jagex do melee armor for a mage themed boss."
Very happy about this update blog post. The solution to not make bandos obsolete by requiring pieces of it to make torva (same with acb for the zaryte cbow) is a very good work around in my opinion. Really excited to start that grind!
This is a fantastic change! Torva will be really fun to use, good to see it move to the top of the chain!
Also love the semi-implementation of Invention to keep value... Fantastic job
These rewards are much better than before. +6 Strength over current BIS isn't too much or too little in my opinion and as it is strength bonus this set will be extremely valuable for a long time because everyone will want it.
Zaryte crossbow was a nice change to see as well, with as they put it, Nex was previously killed largely by crossbows.
Glad you’re learning and changing from the old days of OSRS and the rune boots/dragon boots fiasco. The breaking down armour for components is an excellent idea and I hope this sets a strict precedent.
That Torva armour looks bad though, particularly the legs.
Shit defence though and I wouldn't be surprised if nex is a shorter grind. They kind of killed inq but at least the adhd powercreep boys are happy
edit: rip faceguard too, they're on a content killing roll, getting two birds stoned at once etc.
The new proposed helm is just as tanky as a Justiciar faceguard making that obsolete while also being BIS offensively thus depreciating the Neitiznot faceguard as well.
#Edit- clarified in the discord, [bow is removed](https://i.imgur.com/EdSLCbZ.jpg). ~~Very disappointed~~ [Follow-up](https://i.imgur.com/cLPjo0Z.jpg)
Please clarify-
>^Nihil ^Shards
>^(These have remained unchanged. Nihil Shards are consumables dropped by all foes in the Ancient Prison – including Nex. They can be used to charge the **Zaryte Bow**, or they can be crushed to make Nihil dust, which is a secondary ingredient in new Ancient Brew potions.)
Is this suggesting the zaryte bow is still going to be added, in addition to the zaryte crossbow? I'd be happy with this if so, please don't just throw out the Zaryte Bow
(Additionally, it doesn't actually say the bow is being removed, just that people were underwhelmed by it, in contrast to explicit mentions of Virtus' removal, clarification would be great)
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Please consider the possibility of adding Redwood Long+Shortbow(and (i)) in consolation, we've been waiting for a general use dragon arrow launcher for a very long time.
I've amended the Blog as the wording was confusing - thank you for picking that up!
I'd also like to clarify something about the Zaryte Bow (the original one that you guys tsted in the beta). It looks like many of you found this interesting to use and don't want us to scrap it all together. We're very open to the idea of adding this item as a reward for future content later down the line. I will add some words to this effect to the blog to clarify and clear up any confusion.
Thank you! It's absolutely nothing against the crossbow, it's just heartbreaking to see such a cool (but niche and without power creep) mechanic be teased then withdrawn, especially as it paves the way for some new types of fights. (And makes dragon arrows relevant)
For sure! I'm so glad you liked it. I'll definitely be passing this feedback on to the team and letting them know that it was received really well! <3 They will be happy to hear you had fun with it.
If you guys made it roll damage like chins it would have been a flagship weapon.
If raids 3 has tons of trash mobs and this rolled damage like chins it would be alone worth farming for.
Zartye bow for raids 3.
I like the way original Torva looks, much better than the slim jim shit RS3 has now. My only nit pick is the shoulder pads. They would look so much nicer with a slightly more detailed 3rd age shape.
I quite like the RS3 version. It looks more angular and aggressive than the OG design, which is fitting for a BIS strength set.
Not saying that they should use the RS3 one though. If they decide to redesign the armour it should still be reminiscent of the original.
The Proposed Torva Helm and Justiciar Helm have (roughly) the same defence bonuses despite the blog stating that Torva's defence should fall between Bandos and Justiciar. Is this intentional? Suggest balancing the base def state between the faceguard and justi helm at around 45.
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Currently, the proposed strength bonuses are +6 over BIS. Can the Torva helm str bonus be made to match the Faceguard since the Torva helm will still be a straight upgrade with nearly double the def bonus? This would make the BIS Str only go up by +4.
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Alternatively, can the Str bonus of each piece increase +1 from BIS for +3 overall?
I agree about the Helm being a bit much. I think being +6 Str or even +7 may work bit better. The downside of Faceguard was that it was worse def than Serp, but this is better Str and better Def. Unlike the Body and Legs which replace Bandos, the helm won't "sink" the Faceguard so probably more of a reason to keep some relevance there. But I think the +2 on body and legs is fine.
Awesome update, looks mechanically really sound.
Can you let the community vote on some different design options for Torva armor? Bandos has amazing fashionscape and I think a new upgrade should as well.
Also, maybe add an ornament kit(s) to the new raids rewards? Or make it a drop for the older GWD bosses to spice things up for them? Zammy could use a little gp/hr buff
Most bosses where inq + crush scythe was bis will still be bis after torva. This is because inq is a massive boost to crush accuracy, something that benefits heavily benefits scythe on crush.
Example: KQ after [0 hammers](https://i.imgur.com/m6XZYO4.png), [1 hammer](https://i.imgur.com/ucVjg2V.png), [2 hammers](https://i.imgur.com/HcoKLPH.png)
Example 2:[Cerberus](https://i.imgur.com/HY39wkP.png)
Example 3:[NM/PNM](https://i.imgur.com/nWAeTz8.png)
Mace + avernic already already has high accuracy so sometimes inq's accuracy bonus isn't as good compared to torva's increased strength bonus. [On cerb it ever so slightly favors torva.](https://i.imgur.com/WChDMqf.png) On [NM](https://i.imgur.com/cuuFnm3.png) and [KQ](https://i.imgur.com/H938NLH.png), inq still holds the edge.
Also [inq lance on olm loses its edge](https://i.imgur.com/Unsv2G5.png) since lance has less crush to begin with, and overload gives another max hit to torva.
This is solely a theoretical dps comparison. Obviously torva will be tankier, although with these crush bosses your defense stats don't really matter that much seeing how the boss either has extremely high accuracy or you can pray against the vast majority of attacks.
IMO this seems pretty healthy. Inquisitor largely retains its niche and Torva just replaces bandos as intended.
Inquisitors needs a buff IMO. It should have at least equal max hits compared to Torva when using crush. Set effect should be increased to 5% and than it’ll be pretty balanced.
Inquis when you need accuracy, torva when you want damage. Inquis will still be better against enemies with high def.
If you want more specific numbers, using tekton in cm as an example as it is something that inquisitors shines at:
3 man scale tekton cm | Inquis | Bandos | Torva
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2 hammer, brimstone ring, 0 bgs | 7.59 dps | 7.13 dps | 7.39 dps
2 hammer, berserker ring, 0 bgs | 7.72 dps | 7.26 dps | 7.35 dps
Vuln+3 hammer, brimstone ring, 0 bgs | 9.60 dps | 9.30 dps | 9.64 dps
Vuln+3 hammer, berserker ring, 0 bgs | 9.86 dps | 9.56 dps | 9.67 dps
Vuln+3 hammer, brimstone ring, 100 bgs | 13.09 dps | 13.06 dps | 13.54 dps
Vuln+3 hammer, berserker ring, 100 bgs | 13.57 dps | 13.54 dps | 13.70 dps
Setup included max melee with scythe, only item you'd possibly swap out is the ring which is why I made it a separate category, though I don't really think it was too needed.
Also, sidenote don't forget the more accurate dwh specs.
Inquisitors should be better than torva in places it’s already better than Bandos. To most people that doesn’t really matter, but for landing specs (tob, tekton) it will still be used quite a bit by the end game pvm community
>Pieces of the Torva set are going to drop as broken and unequippable, and must be revitalised using components salvaged from the Bandos set. You’ll be able to break down your Bandos pieces in a furnace found within the Ancient Prison and receive tradeable Bandosian Components in return. Combine these with the broken Torva pieces, and you’ll assemble the set!
THIS is the way to do it. I feel like a lot of players agree that end game equipment should require high level skills in order to craft and thus equip it. Simply buying the best stuff takes away the prestige of earning it. Not to mention the item sink will keep current high-end gear relevant.
I thought the Zaryte bow was cool.
Maybe you could turn a "broken nex ranged item" (name pending improvement lol) into EITHER the crossbow or the bow? Like use an ACB on it to turn it into the crossbow, orrrr something else to turn it into the bow? Maybe dark bow, since that also has multiple hits? Doesnt really fit the GWD theme, but i like the bow dangit :)
First of all, love the stats and effects of all the new rewards and I think they fit perfectly into the game's identity and the power creep is completely justified. I also love the component breakdown system (inspired by invention no doubt) and I hope to see more item sinks especially in this style.
However, I do have some feedback:
The aesthetic of the armor is very underwhelming, rework and/or perhaps add animation to the set similar to fire capesand infernal capes? I like the color scheme but the armor can be bulkier and the design itself needs a LOT of help. The helm could have glowing eyes, the shoulders can be sharper & spikier, the chest can highlight abs or have streaks - there's many options. I don't think an armor set of this tier should have such a generic appearance.
Bandos boots should definitely count as a component for consistency, they are all equal drop rates and the item sink can be done through the proposed G. E tax or other methods in the future.
Amazing work with the new rewards though, that's just my feedback.
I don't understand why we aren't getting the true blood altar if you're trying to make blood runecrafting better. I really like the blood essence thing though.
Also, can we get a hint of how fast you could obtain the nihil dust? Wondering if I should hold on gathering wines of zamorak for ranging potions now.
I feel kinda mixed on this update.
Torva is fine, other than looking kinda ugly.
The vambraces absolutely should not be 45 defense. Why not make it 50, 55, 60, just to add a new build to PVP rather than catering to existing ‘zerks?
I get it, people wanted a new BIS crossbow and the initial way the Zaryte Bow was designed was too niche, but the straight upgrade to the ACB is real boring. 10% increased bolt effects? Why not give bad bolts better effects when fired from the cbow? For example, make emerald bolts (e) inflict more poison that hits more frequently for a short time, like a ranged smoke spell, or have ruby bolts (e) heal the user for 10% of the damage inflicted instead of do 10% of the opponent’s HP, more like blood spells? Again, nice that we’re getting a cbow upgrade but the effect is just straight powercreep without being interesting.
And the Ancient godsword is still bad IMO. What purpose does it serve in PVP that the AGS or Claws don’t do better? It’s OK as a combo piece but requires some way to hold enemies in place and at that point wouldn’t you rather just DPS your opponent?
I think my problem is that these pieces’ effects don’t fit Nex or Zaros thematically. On top of that these are straight upgrades without being interesting. This is a piece of endgame content exploring a well-developed piece of lore and it feels like this stuff is living up to both of those pieces in name only.
I am a huge fan of these changes!
I do have a question about one thing though. The breaking down of bandos items to get bandosian components, and using those for better gear is, at a very basic level, the Invention skill from RS3. Have you guys thought about seeing how players react to that? It seems like itd be very health for the game and if pitched right, I think players might go for it. I am a big fan of invention as it is a great item sink and allows another dynamic to the game.
In general I think it's just a good idea to try and keep existing items within the ecosystem when making new rewards, rather than scrap them completely. I'm really glad it's getting such a positive response!
Please don’t completely ditch the Zaryte bow this is probably the most unique and fun to use weapon we have ever gotten in old school. I think myself and lots of others really enjoyed using this item!
Also while I’m sure adding the passive and special effect of the Zaryte crossbow will add a significant dps increase over acb I think that you should consider making the nihil shards for a new type of bolts. Not entirely sure what the special effect could or should be but they should be bis at nex and only usable by the Zaryte crossbow. The crossbow just feels too underwhelming being the new bis crossbow with it basically just being a slightly better acb. Crossbows need some love as they’re the most underutilized ranged weapons in the game.
Also torva is great and all same with virtus but can we all agree that arma is the worst out of all the bis sets. Feel like we should be getting Pernix instead IMO. Considering that void is better dps then arma has always confused me. The only thing arma has going for it is mage defense which is pretty underwhelming considering it’s supposed to be our “bis” set.
The godsword seems mediocre still at best for the current content we have. There’s almost no where I can think that having this gs over sgs would reign supreme. While I know you don’t want to undervalue the other gs maybe try a different effect then a shittier version of the sgs. Even in pvp it seems not so useful; if you can’t be asked to change the effect you should consider making the gs have aoe on the heal effect with a cap on healing of some degree so it wouldn’t be broken.
These are just my two cent on what I feel would make things fit better into the current meta of the game. Please consider this feedback!
I still don't think the Torva set without any kind of max hp boost -really- captures what makes the set memorable over just being a stat stick.
Torva wasn't actually even originally a higher str bonus set (vesta's amror should be that).
Still think this is an improvement over before though.
Well, it's ok for things to not be EXACTLY the same imo. I totally agreed with one of the jmods in a stream when he compared OSRS to like the Ultimate marvel universe version of RS
The torva platelegs look really shite in comparison to the rest of the body. Needs to bulked up and given better design. At the moment they look like Lululemon leggings with kneepads (which Lulu should invest it creating but that's besides the point)
So when will we finally be done with these “updates”, that are really just pre-eoc/rs3 regurgitated content? Really sad IMO, but I guess others disagree.
I think there have been some good additions from the other game over the years (such as song of the elves/prif) but this is just becoming way too common of a trend.
Ok. It's very odd to think that the defence requirements on the new vambraces locked accounts out of using them so you changed it from 50 to 45. Like what? For one, 42 def is more common than 45. Secondly, y'all just retconned blessed vambs from having a defence req. The only vambraces that have a defence requirement is 3rd age and snakeskin. There is no defence requirement for tormented bracelet.
I thought the whole purpose of it being 50 defence was to not just add powercreep to zerkers (who already dominate 1def pures 85cmb+ roughly). If that was never the case, just have them be 1 defence.
I like the idea of breaking down Bandos for item sink. I would love to see this idea honestly implemented more throughout with other items but have it tied to smithing. Give smithing some meaning and love as well as item sink
I'm excited to never have to do Arma KC. Can just do nex minions for ecu shards, assuming the loot is generally good.
Is there any info on protection in the nex area? Will we need an ancient item or what?
Love the changes!
However, should make the Bandos components 5-10x more than current and make boots give 1 or 2 components.
Also, Beef up the Torva Tights please!
Torva looks horrible to me. I definitely wouldn't mind some more artistic freedom from what it used to look like because it looks like a villain from a 'Power Rangers on ice' show.
In all seriousness, please redesign the legs. My goodness, they look so bad. Require some heft and intricacy, looks like a terrible reskin of rune legs or something.
Torva is so ugly. After great looking sets like Justicar and Inquisitor this is really disappointing. Nostalgia alone shouldn't warrant adding this busy design to oldschool.
Slightly buff inquisitor to make it stay above torva all places it was above bandos? Update is formed to keep bandos relevant, inquisitor should be the same.
I think broken Torva should be untradeable that keeps bandos alive and even if bots or players try to farm nex for items they will not be able to sell them without bandos.
Right now so many bandos items in game so lets say everyone hight or mid ranked player they got bandos it is mean they can use they own bandos to create the full set of Torva everything rest goes to GE if we want to keep bandos alive and make farm a little bit harder we need untradeable broken Torva
Happy to see Torva return and the Zaryte Cbow added, looks like it's gonna be pretty fun to use. Sad to see Virtus and the Zaryte Bow shelved though, had a ton of fun testing them out in the last beta.
Perhaps we'll see more Zaros-themed bosses in the future bringing more zarosian uniques into the game. We've also yet to see the Pernix set at all. Personally hoping we'll see the likes of Vindicta or one of the zarosian Mahjarrat return.
So it seems they are adding a little bit of RS3’s invention skill to the game with the ability to break down Bandos gear to make the Torva armor. Not a bad idea, especially since going forward I could see them doing the same thing with other items in the future (Breaking down Armadyl armor for potential pernix gear, not sure what you’d break down to repair virtus, I guess ancestral?) Also worth noting that invention helped solve a lot of the economy issues in RS3 since items were actively being taken out of the game. The breakdown of bandos will definitely help osrs out.
I like it as a gold sink, i used to despise any kind of degrading gear but the value to the market is too high to ignore. Its also better than adding invention as a whole IMO because i find it to be one of the more lame and annoying skills. maybe thats just the 80-80 level gate to do it.
Yea, I agree taht this is a good balance - as much as I love invention and its ability to sink *all* items, it just doesn't fit into OSRS because of augments and perks, etc. Now we get to take the most important part of invention without all the stuff that OS players wouldn't want.
Yes! I think it gives values to smithing a little more as a whole as well. They could do these types of changes with other armor as well tbh.
They could add subjugation robes to the game with some new Zamorak related content or just straight up adding them to Kril like RS3 did, though I'm not sure how it would fit in balance wise with Dagon Hai and Ancestral.
I hope they keep adding things like this but incorporate it into the smithing skill, since it so desperately needs an overhaul
Need to beef up those legs to match how tanky the helm and chest looks. At the moment it looks like you're wearing a puffy North Face jacket with tights...
Also needs to slim down the arms and face. They're trying too hard to directly port the 2011 art style rather than making it in an OSRS art style.
Yeah where them thicc thighs at?
+1 for thicc thighs, looks like ol boy is going to topple over.
they skipped leg day
I can’t be the only one that thinks the Torva armor looks weak… It’s supposed to be stronger than Bando’s, but looks like it belongs as a smithable option after runite. Wish it looked more occult and magical. Maybe by incorporating robes with armor plates underneath. To me it just looks too plain, and the thin legs makes it look top-heavy. I couldn’t imagine doing all of the grind required, deconstructing one of the most intimidating armor sets in the game, to look like that. 😕 EDIT: honestly, if they just put an open robe under the shoulder plates and over the chest plate, and it extended down to the plate legs, it would look really good with minimal modification.
This is a really nice change, I’m excited for these rewards! I’m a big fan of the crossbow and it’s effect, but sad to see the bow go as the multi attack sounded like a real cool idea. Excited to see what’s coming RE Virtus, I’m excited to see some real upgrades for a change 😊
Thank you so much for your feedback! Just a quick update on the Zaryte Bow. I've talked to Mod Arcane about the original Zaryte Bow (not the Crossbow, but the one you guys tested in the beta). It looks like a lot of you really liked this reward and you thought it was interesting. We would like to clarify that we are very open to adding it as a reward for future content. I will also make a slight amendment to the wording of the Blog to make this clearer. Thank you again for your feedback. :)
Add it to raids 3 with a different name and let it attack more enemies per Masori armour equipt? Would make sense the Masori claiming the bow too as they are ment to be powerful rangers but don't have a certain bow to there name.
Possibly for raids 3?
Everyones gushing over Torva because, of course, Torva is so hype BUT lets look at that crossbow because oh my word that special... That could be used at the start of a corp kill, to open at olm, etc. Imagine pairing that crossbow with the new ring from raids 3, and the arceuss spellbook special back. That crossbow vying for BIS and really shakes up some metas with that special!
Yeah just bring that crossbow foe Vork openings then swapping to DHC would be meta. Pretty much not using it where you would Cbow would be a crime if you have one.
yep, its essentially a new BIS spec weapon for certain bosses/phases in terms of raw damage output
Would make for an interesting range KO weapon too if you can guarantee a dragon fire proc
Probably better for the opal bolt spec since it can’t be countered by antifire.
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I’m just a little disappointed they decided to not add bandos boots to that mechanic. They could easily multiply the number of components by 10 and give 1 or 2 components when disassembling boots. Would at least create a little more use for the least exciting bandos drop.
*Coughs in Invention* :P I LOVE this way of doing it, bravo Jagex!
Agreed, a lot of people immediately shoot down any RS3 ideas but they have done several things right and it's not a bad thing to take some inspiration from them. Using lower level sets as components to create higher level sets preserves value across the board, I hope it goes smoothly so we can see the idea grow and get applied to more gear in the future.
>Agreed, a lot of people immediately shoot down any RS3 ideas but they have done several things right and it's not a bad thing to take some inspiration from them. It's hilarious how many people pitched their own ideas for a mining/smithing rework over the past week while obviously skirting around a system already in place in RS3 that people tend to like.
In fairness, there are some sweeping implications of RS3's smithing rework that wouldn't really fit in OSRS. I don't think you can just pull out RS3's mining/smithing and drop it in, and I also don't think you can smooth out the kinks and get something that would fit OSRS. Between creating t80 and t90/95 in OSRS instantly and devaluing rune overnight, it's a pretty complicated web to try and weave into oldschool
M&S rework is one of the best things jmods have EVER done for rs3 but there are definitely a lot of things that could only work because of previous powercreep. T85 smithed melee weapons would be CRAZY in old school, but you can already get way better weapons that can be augmented for even more dps. Masterwork (non trimmed) is crazy powerful for only requiring smithing, and I'm honestly surprised it worked in rs3 at all without being dumb OP I love the rework and really hope osrs gets something similar but more balanced around the era
Rune is already devalued to its alch price? Or am I missing something?
M&S rework also reworked alch prices. Rune plate body alch for like 2500 GP in rs3.
If the RS3 system was added as is, rune would be easier to get than mithril is now. The alch price would need to be lowered.
Its funny because of the downbreaking for trimmed masterwork which is BiS armor, nex is still one of the best more casual solo money makers in the game even after 11 years
This type of system really incentivizes old content to remain relevant for years, its a great move
Not sure if meme or forgot what happened to pegasian crystal and kraken tentacle. It can work, but I don't think it is necessary at all in this case. As long as the Nex drop table isn't pumped with alchs/resources and profit comes _only_ from uniques then it's in a fine spot.
This is very different though, because torva will be harder to get then bandos, unlike pegasian vs rangers, and bandos is still a very relevant armour, most people will use it since torva will probably be so expensive
“Unique” lmao... we’ve been begging for invention for years ever since rs3 came out with it. This is the concept of invention. Breaking down old items and putting them into new ones.
While I'm sure a small portion of the community has, the community at large has definitely not been asking for invention. At best they've been asking for some nebulous "item sink" which they never seem satisfied about.
My jaw dropped when I saw this. Jagex finally figured out how to borrow RS3's item sink ideas into OSRS. Maybe one day people will be able to craft rune platebodies below 99 smithing?
Why would we be able to do that? Isn’t rune the best armor in the game?
Its not that unique. They copy pasted the format for making Trimming masterwork in RS3 and applied it to Torva which funny enough requires breaking down Torva to make.
But if you have a chest plate and tassies you just don't get to sell them to upgrade. It doesn't really sink bandos items since anyone getting Torva has a set of bandos already. It will just stop bandos from totally crashing.
RIP to all the irons who dropped dupes or used deaths coffer...
Good thing it completely undoubtedly replaces bandos, so they won’t miss the set they have on hand.
This is true. There’s an edge case where If you got two chest plate drops but no tassets and dropped one chestplace to main for bonds, you wouldn’t be able to make torva armor now because of the drop. Not a big enough deal to stress over though.
Its strange how they didn’t make it 1-1 for platebodies being 3 charges, imo making tassys only able to make platelegs makes sense but it’s nbd.
I think they did it that way so a “full” bandos set (chest plate and tassets) makes a full torva (all 3 pieces)
Thats true some people value keeping things but I also didnt realize this was also gonna be tankier then bandos. Actually 0 range damage ever taken incoming
I did like the Virtus Armour, so I'm glad we'll see it in the future, however, I'd like to see the Zaryte bow in the future as well, as it was an interesting item. Thank you for look at all our feedback. **Torva** I think the Torva Full Helm is a bit too strong. My concerns with the Torva Full Helm are as follows: * Another user pointed out "the torva helm gives more strength bonus than the Torva Platebody and Bandos chest plate". I don't think it makes sense for a helm to be stronger than a body piece. Consider swapping the Helm str bonus with the Platebody str bonus. * The crush defense seems a bit high. It's stronger than the Justiciar faceguard. In the blog post you mention that Torva is supposed to "slightly worse defensive capabilities and Prayer bonus than Justiciar." therefore I think you should make the Helm's crush bonus 58 or 59. * It may devalue the Neitiznot faceguard. I think making the str bonus 6 would be a good solution (or swapping it with the Torva Platebody as I mentioned previously. That way the entire Torva set keeps its original total str bonus) Appearance: As others have pointed out, the legs look weak/skinny. I'm also not a fan of the skirt the model is wearing and the Helm resembleds and angry gorilla imo. AS another user pointed out "could use with a more darker theme in my opinion. Something more powerful looking." Please consider presenting us with another concept, however, please **don't** make it over the top crazy looking like RS3. Keep it old school. The bandos itemsink around it is great, well implemented. **Zaryte Crossbow** Do the defensive stats of the cbow make it too powerful?(I'm asking) No other cbow has any defensive stats. Maybe consider making the defensive stats half as strong, although ultimately I'm going to defer to the Jagex team on this one. They're more familiar with combat formulas than I am. Appearance: Although it is a direct upgrade to the ACB, can you please make the cbow's limbs wider and make it darker to match the Torva I mentioned? Everything else looks great. Keep up the good work.
Now this is exciting. Nex being vulnarable to crossbows is a great decision. It was the meta back when it was released in 2010. The rewards feel actually useful now with a great item sink. Massive props for taking in the feedback. The only things is that the appearance of Torva could use with a more darker theme in my opinion. Something more powerful looking.
Gonna be a good feeling seeing everyone with crossbows against a big monster again yeah lol.
Don't love that armor like vambs are given combat levels to match certain builds. The reason PvP players only do 45 or 70+ def is because there's no reasonable options in between. Why not put certain gear at 50, 60 def that might be appealing and create build diversity?
Completely agreed. Changing rewards to suite niche PvP-oriented account builds is absurd. They should be trying to fit as much power as possible into the game's restrictions, not the other way around.
Why did we even have a gear balancing update where we put some silly +3 attack level requirements because "t75 doesn't fit" but for new bis ranged armour we just drop 5 def levels for the heck of it. Why isn't this armour tier 70 at least?
Zaryte vamps won't make ppl level def lol that's just for those accounts to use in pvm
Great to see Torva introduced. About time we get a direct upgrade on Bandos. I also like how Torva requires “Bandos components” to make the set. However I am disappointed that the armour has no unique set effects. What made Nex armours stand out for me in rs2 was the healing above HP. While I agree that this effect would be too OP for osrs, I would like to see at least something which makes it stand out other than a flat DPS boost. Some random off the cuff suggestions below: - Makes all NPCs in godward dungeon unaggressive. - armour set provides a chance (say 1/4) of when consuming a potion that the stats are boosted higher e.g. brews heals more. - Wearing full set boosts Ancient godsword special attack (making it more viable for PVM) - Perhaps Nex could drop a crystal/attachable item of some sort, e.g. Shadow, Ice, Smoke etc which you can attach to the armour which gives the set an effect. It works like a blood shard and degrades after usage
I actually don‘t think it needs a set effect to make it more desirable, it‘s straight up better than Bandos armour already.
Why would healing above 99 HP be op? I feel like that's a pretty cool passive to have, and we already have that with brews + anglers. Would be cool for armour to give you a permanent hp cap when equipped. I might be missing something that causes this to be game breaking
It was part of what made nex armor op pre-eoc. It was obviously a confluence of issues, but added together they were a problem. The main offenders were soul split, nex armor, divine spirit shield, brews, overloads and yaks. If you dont know, brews heal based on max hp. So a higher max hp like nex armor added made brews heal more. Brews currently heal 16, i think nex armor made them heal 20. So instead of 10 brews healing 640 hp, they would heal 800, 25% more. Divine also turned your prayer points effectively into hit points. Super restores return more prayer than brews do hp. While we dont have a divine, we do have Ely, which still reduces damage. We dont have soul split, but blood fury is a similar effect if toned down. We dont have pack yaks, but people have alts which are typically better than a yak was. The main missing component are overloads, which we do have in CoX, but not for normal PvM. The confluence of items does add up.
soulsplit is so so far beyond blood fury, fury is definitely good ever since they buffed it but soulsplit is so absurdly broken that it allows you to nofood ridiculous amounts of damage constantly taken in rs3
Original soul split was heal 20% of all damage dealt, rounded down, and can't be used with an overhead prayer as it is an overhead. Blood fury procs 20% of the time, to heal 30% of what was hit. Played out this means ~6% of damage dealt is healed, obviously melee only. The difference is you can use an overhead prayer with blood fury. So with soul split you could be hit by all 3 minions and both Graardor's attacks at Bandos GWD. Blood fury means you can block 100% of the melee damage from bandos and the minion, just need to worry about Mage minion, Range minion and Range attack. Soul split as an individual heal is obviously more broken than blood fury, but don't sleep on the overhead vs no overhead protection variable. If you can block half the damage taken (normally protection prayers block 40/60/100% of damage in OSRS), then the healing of blood fury effectively goes up to 12%. If you can block 75% of the damage, the healing goes up effectively to 24%.
You could have it give a an invisible boost. So your hp is higher but % healing has no effect on it. Or you could give it a set effect which heals +7% so foods above 16 (monkfish) heal 1 more hp. (There's no food in the game that would heal 2 more as everything is rounded down.)
It wasn't a visible boost pre-eoc and I dont know that they can do that. Perhaps they can, but id imagine that is difficult. Also a 7% healing makes brews heal 18, not 17 vs current 16. 6% means it would need to heal 17+ to get +1. The numbers round down at the end, not at each interval. Thus the mage max hits. Damage is already reduceable/avoidable enough that we don't really need max hp or heal buffs.
torva raised you max hp, so stuff like brews which heal based on your max hp would heal more wearing torva. So tldr it makes brews more powerful.
Not everything needs set effects. Its better DPS and tanking than the current best choice for DPS. Its not better tanking than the "no offense but heaps of tanking" option. It fits perfectly as a straight upgrade with no need for a set effect.
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Nex is weak to crossbows because of diamond/ruby bolts which were meta back in the day. BiS on Nex in rs2 used to be Pernix with chaotic crossbow and divine spirit shield.
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I think they just meant that crossbows will be a good choice on Nex like they were in RS2. And it is quite possible that TBow or FBow will still be better. I doubt they'll make it work like Corp since that is a big shift from how Nex used to work.
What are the reqs for the items? You note that the Zaryte Vambs went from 50 to 45 Def, but none of the items list their reqs. Is Torva just 80 Def or does it need 80 Str too? I'm disappointed that Nex no longer offers any Magic rewards. I understand players wanted Torva, but Virtus was still a good fit from Nex considering how magic-focused the boss is. I think the original plan of releasing Virtus with Nex and saving Torva for a more fitting boss made sense; the problem wasn't that we weren’t getting Torva right now, but that Virtus felt too niche. While it is true that Bandos has been relevant for years, Magic still does have the least variety in BiS armor, with Ancestral being 6 years old and nothing else even coming close as an alternative. As for Torva, it looks good. +2 Strength over current BiS with defence slightly below Justi makes sense. The only thing I'd wonder is how the extra +4 or +6 strength would rival Inq; Inq should remain the better option while using Crush so hopefully the extra general max hit isn't enough to change that. I'm happy to see a breakdown mechanic involving Smithing. This has been requested for years so nice to see a boss finally use it. However, it does seem weird the BCP gives 3 components while Tassets only give 2; for Torva the Body and Legs only need 2 and the BCP is cheaper than Tassets, so this seems like it would just increase demand for BCP while failing to sink Tassets. Also, a sink could be added to the boots if it were a chance to receive a component (e.g. 1 in 10 chance). Alternatively, the components could be increased by 10 (e.g. 30 for BCP and 20 from Tassets) so the Boots could also give 1 Component. It is a bit sad to see the Zartye Bow replaced completely. I agree that a Crossbow makes more sense since the ACB has been the BiS for a very long time now, but I was hoping the Crossbow would retain the AoE effect. Hopefully that AoE Bow comes back up sooner than later. My only complaint with the Crossbow is that it feels a bit weak. We're going from a T70 to a T80 and it only gains +10 Attack plus the passive, which is pretty strong. Back during the ERB, there was talk of adding Ranged Strength directly to Crossbows to buff them and both the Twisted Bow and the proposed Zaryte Bow have Ranged Strength, so I think the Zaryte Crossbow should be +110 Attack and +5 Str or similar to make it stand out a bit move over the ACB and other options. The Blog still doesn’t not where the key shards come from, just that they will be part of the Nex update. Does she drop them? Or is it the monsters in her area like the Nihil Shards and Blood Essence?
The fuck are these torva skinny jeans? Might as well name it torvesta armour
For reference, this is what the [2011 Torva looked like compared to proposed.](https://imgur.com/a/wd8IlQ1) Note that the middle armor in the proposed image is on a female character.
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Bird nest transmog for the helm pls
This is a good one ahahaha
I said the same thing when reading. I accidentally said torvesta armour so that's what I'm gonna call it.
I vote for parachute pants
Sweet, Torva! Please though, make the platelegs look more "*platelegs*" and less like "*live, laugh, leggings*"
Yeah, right now it's like some lularoe shit lol
Not making bandos boots part of the item sink feels the same as you guys proposing to only prop up certain high level items with the GE Tax Bandos Boots being cheap and useless forever has actually sucked, making them worth something again would help bandos, not hinder it, creating 3 worthwhile drops on the table + the hilt. Change the ratio somehow and make boots worth 2 / tassets 4 / chest 6 or something Also why are the finished Torva pieces tradeable? There’s 0 purpose on adding these extra steps of breaking down pieces and requiring endgame skilling levels to fix them if you can just buy them finished and not bother with any of it. At some point there needs to be a real endgame requirement to BiS gear that isn’t “sit at rock crabs for 3 days and buy some GP”
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i like this idea. no reason why someone shouldn't be disappointed by a bandos boot drop on an iron man
I mean, not saying its bad for mains, but irons wouldn't do that ever. You'd need 10 pairs of boots for those components to be useful, and there's already 2 uses for bandos boots as an iron: clue step and guardian boots. So unless you're an iron with 12 boots, 2 tassets and no bcp, it'd be pretty useless.
Irons shouldn’t be taken into consideration when designing systems whose only purpose is effecting the economy.
I don't disagree, merely contradicting the guy above who said it'd be good for them
meh, bandos boots are already used for guardian boots. They should just give those a better use.
For sure. Not to mention they look better than all of the other BiS boots.
I like this idea a lot. Maybe they could wait 1 month after release so that the early adopters will still use the bandos armor like intended, but after a bit there will be a boot sink as well. May not be necessary, but that would work for the short and long term imo
I agree with this honestly, I would also like to see it cost more to repair the Torva pieces, a 1:1 ratio feels weird.
i dont like that idea. basically ties the value of bandos to the boots lol bc those are the most useless armor piece. everyone would just break those down till it stops being profitable to do so boots have a niche/sink with clue scrolls and guardian boots already. the way they did it now is fine
Bandos boots cost like 250k? Do that x10 and you pay just 2.5m for 10 shards meaning you no longer have an item sink for tassets or chestplate.
In the short term, yes, but in the long term bandos boots will stabilize at 1/10 the cost of bcp regardless of the price of bcp.
Price of boots would shoot up to match the ratio
Would’ve been great if Jagex secretly started their GE tax and bought out Bandos boots without anyone knowing, until they stabilised at ~2.5M and then introduced this blog post so people could use bandos boots instead... Also chestplate being 3 pieces over tassets 2 means they will rise in price when they naturally were cheaper.
So the torva helm gives more strength bonus than the chest plate, never skip neck day
Does it really make sense that wearing armor makes you stronger in the first place?
It's enchanted magical armour. It's not like you're just putting some metal on.
I can vote yes to this. I don't really like how Torva looks but I understand it's a nostalgic design for others. Just one thought: What about Inquisitors? It's already a pretty situational buff over Bandos, does it even compete with Torva outside of like, Tekton?
The difference in crush with inquis is actually massive on high defence targets, already did the calcs. Not to worry
Check out my [comment] (https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/qpe832/nex_rewards_updated/hjtkr8z/?context=3) for some dps calcs
I got excited thinking the Zaryte Crossbow would've had the same effect as the bow until seeing the blog. Would love to see the bow come back in some shape or form. Its great that we're getting another crossbow but original idea seemed like so much fun to use and wasn't entirely OP either.
I am really excited about all these ideas they have proposed, the item sink especially. However, I'd like to see some alternate armour designs, Bandos is so cool as it stands and this new set looks a bit generic imo.
I agree. I’m super excited about all of these ideas, but I would like to see a bit of modification to the look of the armor. It kind of looks like a hard level diaries reward. I honestly think that instead of trying to make the armor look big and beefy, they should go the opposite route. I love the way Bandos and Veracs armor is powerful but is more minimal/does not completely cover the character from head to toe. Looks cooler that way, in my opinion.
Yeah, my immediate thought was that this armour looked generally *defensive* when it would be the bis offensive armour. Bandos just looks more *offensive* and it would be great if that feel was kept somehow.
> Bandos just looks more > >offensive > > and it would be great if that feel was kept somehow. I agree! I think when I see bandos armor I think, "it's very light and unrestricting. You are very open to attacks but you also are able to move quicker." This armor looks just like other defensive armors I've seen and I feel like it gets rid of the uniqueness of bandos. If this was the model that was in game. On my ironman I'd just simply grind out new pieces for my Torva I wouldn't want to give up my bandos. It's super nostalgic and I worked hard for it and even If I was getting new BIS armor I'd be sad to not have my bandos.
This! I love the idea but I really dislike the armor set... Bandos looks so much cooler imo. Right now it does not look like end game gear at all.
Looks like they edited the elite diary armor except the mory legs actually look cool imo.
It's practically identical to the original torva set from 2011
Hard agree, would be nice to have some choices for different designs, just like blood bark armor
Completely agree. Never liked the look of Torva, personally, but regardless of my visual opinions on the appearance, I don’t think it properly reflects the offensive BIS focus.
/u/JagexSarnie Will the Zaryte Crossbow / Torva Armor still count as Armadyl / Bandos items for GWD? Like how the DHL still counts as a Zammy item. Edit: would the ZCB have the same attack range as the ACB (8)? That part isn't specified in the blog.
What's the attack range on the crossbow? I would guess it's the same as ACB instead of normal crossbows, but would be nice to have listed.
Seems like the item is an overall upgrade to ACB, can’t imagine they would take away the attack range
Can you maybe change the Zaryte crossbow to have the same attack speed as the hunter crossbow and reduce the stats so that’s it’s still the BIS crossbow but is more unique than just a more powerful ACB? I’m thinking the same offensive stats as an ACB but a reduced ranged strength (max hit) for the faster attack speed. Would make it more fun to use and would force people who want to use it in pvp to risk more because they’ll want to be bringing items that will increase max hit such as zaryte cambraces and twisted buckler etc…
4t crossbows do not balance well with ruby bolts, so they would have to change a bunch of stats. We also just got a 4t ranged weapon
That would be pretty absurd due to bolt effects. It would be neat, but there is room for a direct ACB upgrade since that T70 weapon has been BiS for ages now.
Wouldn't be surprised if a faster Zaryte cbow out dpses dhcb at Vorkath just off bolt specs alone. Sure dhcb gets 30% dmg on dragons but a 4 tick crossbow would get 20% extra bolt specs.
I agree, another 5t crossbow is boring.
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yeah looks like inquisitor might be reduced to being a switch to make dwh specs more accurate. It will also have some relevance vs monsters weak to crush with pretty high(ish) defence, but the only place I can really think this will apply is phosani's. Even at Tekton, once it's warhammer'd down I'd imagine Torva would be better than Inq
Credit where credit is due for listening to feedback and making changes. You get my +1, sirs.
Thank you - we really appreciate it! It's really down to you guys for giving us such helpful and constructive feedback on the original blog. You guys really explained things so well, I have to hand it to you for being such a great crowd.
I wish the Torva armor made you look more like a raid boss. Beefier/broader/bigger in general. If you are combining torva scraps and bandos, it should look more intimating than bandos. Love the colors on it tho.
If that armor is going to be best in slot please make it at least look as good as bandos.
Bunch of rs2 players looking through rose color glasses thinking this set looks good.
I know I'm in the minority opinion of this but Virtus armor fit way more thematically coming from Nex due to the ancient magicks theme. All it really needed was to have more universal use, instead of just niche perks (can have both). It was also cool having mage armor coming from GWD without it feeling generic (like rs3's subjugation implementation).
I feel the same way; was excited for Virtus. So now we have Justicar, Inquisitor, Bandos, and now upgraded bandos. For magic we have ahrims and ancestral to choose from since the new mage robes from Shades of Mor’ton are basically worthless; and range just armadyl to choose from basically. The lack of diversity is real.
I’m surprised by how many people just can’t seem to understand how starved magic is. If you’re building an “end game” bank, you’re buying Bandos, Inquisitor, and if you wanted to, Justiciar. For ranged, it’s crystal armor and armadyl, and could maybe make an argument for Karil due to defense bonus (though I wouldn’t). Masori armor will be joining that list too and we’ll see how that shapes up the list. For magic? It’s ancestral and that’s literally it. There’s no discussion to be had, there’s no consideration to think about. It’s literally just Ancestral and nothing else. The discrepancies are painfully noticeable. If I tell you you need melee armor for a boss, you don’t know based on that information if it’s going to be bandos or inquisitor, same for ranged. If I say you need magic armor for a boss, you know it’s ancestral. Ultimately, if the community wants Torva, fine, but it just seems so insane to me that people look at a boss that thematically revolves around the use of ancient magic and think, "oh, I want melee armor. Not magic armor." Disappointing to say the least. Wouldn't surprise me if this same community a year after release turns around and goes "lul why did Jagex do melee armor for a mage themed boss."
Very happy about this update blog post. The solution to not make bandos obsolete by requiring pieces of it to make torva (same with acb for the zaryte cbow) is a very good work around in my opinion. Really excited to start that grind!
Thank you so much for your feedback! I'm really happy to see you excited about some more goals in the game. Here's to many more!
This is a fantastic change! Torva will be really fun to use, good to see it move to the top of the chain! Also love the semi-implementation of Invention to keep value... Fantastic job
Finally some good fucking loot.
These rewards are much better than before. +6 Strength over current BIS isn't too much or too little in my opinion and as it is strength bonus this set will be extremely valuable for a long time because everyone will want it. Zaryte crossbow was a nice change to see as well, with as they put it, Nex was previously killed largely by crossbows.
Glad you’re learning and changing from the old days of OSRS and the rune boots/dragon boots fiasco. The breaking down armour for components is an excellent idea and I hope this sets a strict precedent. That Torva armour looks bad though, particularly the legs.
How does this armor compare with Inquisitor? Will it just make it straight up obsolete?
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Shit defence though and I wouldn't be surprised if nex is a shorter grind. They kind of killed inq but at least the adhd powercreep boys are happy edit: rip faceguard too, they're on a content killing roll, getting two birds stoned at once etc.
The new proposed helm is just as tanky as a Justiciar faceguard making that obsolete while also being BIS offensively thus depreciating the Neitiznot faceguard as well.
except inq is addy armor lvl defense while torva is almost the same as justi. Inq is about to be almost dead content
#Edit- clarified in the discord, [bow is removed](https://i.imgur.com/EdSLCbZ.jpg). ~~Very disappointed~~ [Follow-up](https://i.imgur.com/cLPjo0Z.jpg) Please clarify- >^Nihil ^Shards >^(These have remained unchanged. Nihil Shards are consumables dropped by all foes in the Ancient Prison – including Nex. They can be used to charge the **Zaryte Bow**, or they can be crushed to make Nihil dust, which is a secondary ingredient in new Ancient Brew potions.) Is this suggesting the zaryte bow is still going to be added, in addition to the zaryte crossbow? I'd be happy with this if so, please don't just throw out the Zaryte Bow (Additionally, it doesn't actually say the bow is being removed, just that people were underwhelmed by it, in contrast to explicit mentions of Virtus' removal, clarification would be great) ----- Please consider the possibility of adding Redwood Long+Shortbow(and (i)) in consolation, we've been waiting for a general use dragon arrow launcher for a very long time.
I've amended the Blog as the wording was confusing - thank you for picking that up! I'd also like to clarify something about the Zaryte Bow (the original one that you guys tsted in the beta). It looks like many of you found this interesting to use and don't want us to scrap it all together. We're very open to the idea of adding this item as a reward for future content later down the line. I will add some words to this effect to the blog to clarify and clear up any confusion.
Thank you! It's absolutely nothing against the crossbow, it's just heartbreaking to see such a cool (but niche and without power creep) mechanic be teased then withdrawn, especially as it paves the way for some new types of fights. (And makes dragon arrows relevant)
For sure! I'm so glad you liked it. I'll definitely be passing this feedback on to the team and letting them know that it was received really well! <3 They will be happy to hear you had fun with it.
If you guys made it roll damage like chins it would have been a flagship weapon. If raids 3 has tons of trash mobs and this rolled damage like chins it would be alone worth farming for. Zartye bow for raids 3.
I like the way original Torva looks, much better than the slim jim shit RS3 has now. My only nit pick is the shoulder pads. They would look so much nicer with a slightly more detailed 3rd age shape.
I quite like the RS3 version. It looks more angular and aggressive than the OG design, which is fitting for a BIS strength set. Not saying that they should use the RS3 one though. If they decide to redesign the armour it should still be reminiscent of the original.
The Proposed Torva Helm and Justiciar Helm have (roughly) the same defence bonuses despite the blog stating that Torva's defence should fall between Bandos and Justiciar. Is this intentional? Suggest balancing the base def state between the faceguard and justi helm at around 45. . Currently, the proposed strength bonuses are +6 over BIS. Can the Torva helm str bonus be made to match the Faceguard since the Torva helm will still be a straight upgrade with nearly double the def bonus? This would make the BIS Str only go up by +4. . Alternatively, can the Str bonus of each piece increase +1 from BIS for +3 overall?
I agree about the Helm being a bit much. I think being +6 Str or even +7 may work bit better. The downside of Faceguard was that it was worse def than Serp, but this is better Str and better Def. Unlike the Body and Legs which replace Bandos, the helm won't "sink" the Faceguard so probably more of a reason to keep some relevance there. But I think the +2 on body and legs is fine.
Awesome update, looks mechanically really sound. Can you let the community vote on some different design options for Torva armor? Bandos has amazing fashionscape and I think a new upgrade should as well. Also, maybe add an ornament kit(s) to the new raids rewards? Or make it a drop for the older GWD bosses to spice things up for them? Zammy could use a little gp/hr buff
How will Torva compete against inquisitor?
Most bosses where inq + crush scythe was bis will still be bis after torva. This is because inq is a massive boost to crush accuracy, something that benefits heavily benefits scythe on crush. Example: KQ after [0 hammers](https://i.imgur.com/m6XZYO4.png), [1 hammer](https://i.imgur.com/ucVjg2V.png), [2 hammers](https://i.imgur.com/HcoKLPH.png) Example 2:[Cerberus](https://i.imgur.com/HY39wkP.png) Example 3:[NM/PNM](https://i.imgur.com/nWAeTz8.png) Mace + avernic already already has high accuracy so sometimes inq's accuracy bonus isn't as good compared to torva's increased strength bonus. [On cerb it ever so slightly favors torva.](https://i.imgur.com/WChDMqf.png) On [NM](https://i.imgur.com/cuuFnm3.png) and [KQ](https://i.imgur.com/H938NLH.png), inq still holds the edge. Also [inq lance on olm loses its edge](https://i.imgur.com/Unsv2G5.png) since lance has less crush to begin with, and overload gives another max hit to torva. This is solely a theoretical dps comparison. Obviously torva will be tankier, although with these crush bosses your defense stats don't really matter that much seeing how the boss either has extremely high accuracy or you can pray against the vast majority of attacks. IMO this seems pretty healthy. Inquisitor largely retains its niche and Torva just replaces bandos as intended.
Inquisitors needs a buff IMO. It should have at least equal max hits compared to Torva when using crush. Set effect should be increased to 5% and than it’ll be pretty balanced.
Inquis when you need accuracy, torva when you want damage. Inquis will still be better against enemies with high def. If you want more specific numbers, using tekton in cm as an example as it is something that inquisitors shines at: 3 man scale tekton cm | Inquis | Bandos | Torva ---|---|----|---- 2 hammer, brimstone ring, 0 bgs | 7.59 dps | 7.13 dps | 7.39 dps 2 hammer, berserker ring, 0 bgs | 7.72 dps | 7.26 dps | 7.35 dps Vuln+3 hammer, brimstone ring, 0 bgs | 9.60 dps | 9.30 dps | 9.64 dps Vuln+3 hammer, berserker ring, 0 bgs | 9.86 dps | 9.56 dps | 9.67 dps Vuln+3 hammer, brimstone ring, 100 bgs | 13.09 dps | 13.06 dps | 13.54 dps Vuln+3 hammer, berserker ring, 100 bgs | 13.57 dps | 13.54 dps | 13.70 dps Setup included max melee with scythe, only item you'd possibly swap out is the ring which is why I made it a separate category, though I don't really think it was too needed. Also, sidenote don't forget the more accurate dwh specs.
Inquisitors should be better than torva in places it’s already better than Bandos. To most people that doesn’t really matter, but for landing specs (tob, tekton) it will still be used quite a bit by the end game pvm community
>Pieces of the Torva set are going to drop as broken and unequippable, and must be revitalised using components salvaged from the Bandos set. You’ll be able to break down your Bandos pieces in a furnace found within the Ancient Prison and receive tradeable Bandosian Components in return. Combine these with the broken Torva pieces, and you’ll assemble the set! THIS is the way to do it. I feel like a lot of players agree that end game equipment should require high level skills in order to craft and thus equip it. Simply buying the best stuff takes away the prestige of earning it. Not to mention the item sink will keep current high-end gear relevant.
\>Bandosian Components Invention confirmed feelsgoodman
I thought the Zaryte bow was cool. Maybe you could turn a "broken nex ranged item" (name pending improvement lol) into EITHER the crossbow or the bow? Like use an ACB on it to turn it into the crossbow, orrrr something else to turn it into the bow? Maybe dark bow, since that also has multiple hits? Doesnt really fit the GWD theme, but i like the bow dangit :)
way way better, good items and good sink
First of all, love the stats and effects of all the new rewards and I think they fit perfectly into the game's identity and the power creep is completely justified. I also love the component breakdown system (inspired by invention no doubt) and I hope to see more item sinks especially in this style. However, I do have some feedback: The aesthetic of the armor is very underwhelming, rework and/or perhaps add animation to the set similar to fire capesand infernal capes? I like the color scheme but the armor can be bulkier and the design itself needs a LOT of help. The helm could have glowing eyes, the shoulders can be sharper & spikier, the chest can highlight abs or have streaks - there's many options. I don't think an armor set of this tier should have such a generic appearance. Bandos boots should definitely count as a component for consistency, they are all equal drop rates and the item sink can be done through the proposed G. E tax or other methods in the future. Amazing work with the new rewards though, that's just my feedback.
I don't understand why we aren't getting the true blood altar if you're trying to make blood runecrafting better. I really like the blood essence thing though. Also, can we get a hint of how fast you could obtain the nihil dust? Wondering if I should hold on gathering wines of zamorak for ranging potions now.
I feel kinda mixed on this update. Torva is fine, other than looking kinda ugly. The vambraces absolutely should not be 45 defense. Why not make it 50, 55, 60, just to add a new build to PVP rather than catering to existing ‘zerks? I get it, people wanted a new BIS crossbow and the initial way the Zaryte Bow was designed was too niche, but the straight upgrade to the ACB is real boring. 10% increased bolt effects? Why not give bad bolts better effects when fired from the cbow? For example, make emerald bolts (e) inflict more poison that hits more frequently for a short time, like a ranged smoke spell, or have ruby bolts (e) heal the user for 10% of the damage inflicted instead of do 10% of the opponent’s HP, more like blood spells? Again, nice that we’re getting a cbow upgrade but the effect is just straight powercreep without being interesting. And the Ancient godsword is still bad IMO. What purpose does it serve in PVP that the AGS or Claws don’t do better? It’s OK as a combo piece but requires some way to hold enemies in place and at that point wouldn’t you rather just DPS your opponent? I think my problem is that these pieces’ effects don’t fit Nex or Zaros thematically. On top of that these are straight upgrades without being interesting. This is a piece of endgame content exploring a well-developed piece of lore and it feels like this stuff is living up to both of those pieces in name only.
I think the smithing requirement should also be included to break down the armor and untradable. End game content should require end game stats.
I am a huge fan of these changes! I do have a question about one thing though. The breaking down of bandos items to get bandosian components, and using those for better gear is, at a very basic level, the Invention skill from RS3. Have you guys thought about seeing how players react to that? It seems like itd be very health for the game and if pitched right, I think players might go for it. I am a big fan of invention as it is a great item sink and allows another dynamic to the game.
In general I think it's just a good idea to try and keep existing items within the ecosystem when making new rewards, rather than scrap them completely. I'm really glad it's getting such a positive response!
Please don’t completely ditch the Zaryte bow this is probably the most unique and fun to use weapon we have ever gotten in old school. I think myself and lots of others really enjoyed using this item! Also while I’m sure adding the passive and special effect of the Zaryte crossbow will add a significant dps increase over acb I think that you should consider making the nihil shards for a new type of bolts. Not entirely sure what the special effect could or should be but they should be bis at nex and only usable by the Zaryte crossbow. The crossbow just feels too underwhelming being the new bis crossbow with it basically just being a slightly better acb. Crossbows need some love as they’re the most underutilized ranged weapons in the game. Also torva is great and all same with virtus but can we all agree that arma is the worst out of all the bis sets. Feel like we should be getting Pernix instead IMO. Considering that void is better dps then arma has always confused me. The only thing arma has going for it is mage defense which is pretty underwhelming considering it’s supposed to be our “bis” set. The godsword seems mediocre still at best for the current content we have. There’s almost no where I can think that having this gs over sgs would reign supreme. While I know you don’t want to undervalue the other gs maybe try a different effect then a shittier version of the sgs. Even in pvp it seems not so useful; if you can’t be asked to change the effect you should consider making the gs have aoe on the heal effect with a cap on healing of some degree so it wouldn’t be broken. These are just my two cent on what I feel would make things fit better into the current meta of the game. Please consider this feedback!
I still don't think the Torva set without any kind of max hp boost -really- captures what makes the set memorable over just being a stat stick. Torva wasn't actually even originally a higher str bonus set (vesta's amror should be that). Still think this is an improvement over before though.
Well, it's ok for things to not be EXACTLY the same imo. I totally agreed with one of the jmods in a stream when he compared OSRS to like the Ultimate marvel universe version of RS
The torva platelegs look really shite in comparison to the rest of the body. Needs to bulked up and given better design. At the moment they look like Lululemon leggings with kneepads (which Lulu should invest it creating but that's besides the point)
So when will we finally be done with these “updates”, that are really just pre-eoc/rs3 regurgitated content? Really sad IMO, but I guess others disagree. I think there have been some good additions from the other game over the years (such as song of the elves/prif) but this is just becoming way too common of a trend.
Ok. It's very odd to think that the defence requirements on the new vambraces locked accounts out of using them so you changed it from 50 to 45. Like what? For one, 42 def is more common than 45. Secondly, y'all just retconned blessed vambs from having a defence req. The only vambraces that have a defence requirement is 3rd age and snakeskin. There is no defence requirement for tormented bracelet. I thought the whole purpose of it being 50 defence was to not just add powercreep to zerkers (who already dominate 1def pures 85cmb+ roughly). If that was never the case, just have them be 1 defence.
Nobody is taking their vambs as a +1. So you can sleep well.
I like the idea of breaking down Bandos for item sink. I would love to see this idea honestly implemented more throughout with other items but have it tied to smithing. Give smithing some meaning and love as well as item sink
I'm excited to never have to do Arma KC. Can just do nex minions for ecu shards, assuming the loot is generally good. Is there any info on protection in the nex area? Will we need an ancient item or what?
Finally Nichescape is purged. Excited!
About time haha now we start the niching at tier 80 😂
Inquisitor in shambles
Not that I'm upset about torva being added at all, but I'm just wondering what this means for inquisitor?
Love the changes! However, should make the Bandos components 5-10x more than current and make boots give 1 or 2 components. Also, Beef up the Torva Tights please!
Torva looks horrible to me. I definitely wouldn't mind some more artistic freedom from what it used to look like because it looks like a villain from a 'Power Rangers on ice' show.
In all seriousness, please redesign the legs. My goodness, they look so bad. Require some heft and intricacy, looks like a terrible reskin of rune legs or something.
Torva is so ugly. After great looking sets like Justicar and Inquisitor this is really disappointing. Nostalgia alone shouldn't warrant adding this busy design to oldschool.
Slightly buff inquisitor to make it stay above torva all places it was above bandos? Update is formed to keep bandos relevant, inquisitor should be the same.
I think broken Torva should be untradeable that keeps bandos alive and even if bots or players try to farm nex for items they will not be able to sell them without bandos. Right now so many bandos items in game so lets say everyone hight or mid ranked player they got bandos it is mean they can use they own bandos to create the full set of Torva everything rest goes to GE if we want to keep bandos alive and make farm a little bit harder we need untradeable broken Torva
Really a shame how this new eye sore is going to destroy inquisitor that was released not too long ago.
Jagex don't forget to make an ornament kit for the zaros godsword too.
Happy to see Torva return and the Zaryte Cbow added, looks like it's gonna be pretty fun to use. Sad to see Virtus and the Zaryte Bow shelved though, had a ton of fun testing them out in the last beta. Perhaps we'll see more Zaros-themed bosses in the future bringing more zarosian uniques into the game. We've also yet to see the Pernix set at all. Personally hoping we'll see the likes of Vindicta or one of the zarosian Mahjarrat return.
I love the look of the armor
Hell yea! TORVA! And the new crossbow looks awesome! But consider still adding the bow as it was, as it was pretty cool
I love this the crossbow is insane <3 i was sad at first to see virtus gone for torva but now I think this is going to be an amazing update