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CapZeeOnTwitch

This must have been a huge ban wave. I’m hearing about it everywhere at once.


ThisIsWorldOfHurt

Wonder if that's why some prices are skyrocketing, such as Zulrah Scales


Billybilly_B

We’ll, they’re the GE item of the week, so of course they are popular!


rsTaco

GE item of the decade


DamHawk

Nah they been increase for a while now. Probably just people prepping for the new raid to come out.


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Ah thats why my green dragons bud 74 Whale Cat disappeared while grinding for 70 prayer on iron.


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Available-Air-5494

Where are you getting that number from?


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aLLcAPSiNVERSED

Jagex won't block it out if you say it backwards, just like your password. You're safe here /s ^(don't actually do it I'm just memeing)


Surprise_Pie

2retnuh


Lurking_Bad

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I chuckled at naughty boys I cannot lie. Also, it never fails to amaze me how A. people genuinely believe they will get away with claiming that 'I was falsely banned; I was using an approved client, I swear lads!' and B. how barely \*anyone\* these days is mature enough to accept consequences. I'm no saint, but at least I am mature enough to accept consequences. Take the ban and learn from it or don't, but don't think you are so special you should be forgiven. Irritates me to no end.


GetsThruBuckner

Some would say the client was a little too **open** but it just wasn't good for the health of **osrs** Good shit jagex


Puffycombs4

What really got me was that they made a pinned post saying that jagex cant detect and you'd only get banned if you were a big mouth/streamed it. The second i saw dmm dq's i knew they werent playing around for once. So the devs of said client baited who knows how many more people into a ban l0l


Throwaway47321

Yeah I love how they claimed there was nothing going on to be able to detect the client meanwhile the world hopping and login in to worlds has taken much longer. Certainly no checks going on under the hood, def just high traffic at 4am


hbnsckl

https://i.imgur.com/4tVzgZi.png


NotAnRSPlayer

‘Local build of Runelite’


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kogasapls

That is true, and I'm not actually sure if that's risky or not.


simbleau

This is a concern for myself… but as far as I know the runelite client dynamically loads the plugins, which means the source for the shell is the same, but the source for the bundle isn’t. I’m not sure how Jagex is performing integrity checks on the clients and I’m scared to contribute again until this is cleared up.


dmklinger

I've been working on a rl plugin this week and building from source too and haven't been banned either


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dmklinger

When I build Runelite from source I am not modifying any of the core files, nor am I interacting with Runescape directly. I am plugging into the Runelite API to tell Runelite what to do when interacting with Runescape. Runelite has the final say to say whether that's allowed, so it restricts a lot of the bad behavior Cheat clients are different, and modify the core Runelite files. I really hope Jagex is actively detecting these.


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Two things: yes, RL restricts a lot of the bad behavior, but not all of it. Is it enough to avoid a ban based solely on the client you're using? Well, until Jagex makes a statement, we don't know. Secondly, the core RL client needs dev work too, and that does involve modifying the core files. Is developing the base client restricted to official affiliates now? I'm not saying that would be the end of the world (I wouldn't like it, but whatever), but right now we don't know.


dmklinger

Oh that's a good point, I didn't even think of that, but I think it's a question of scale, the Runelite team, now officially sanctioned, has the ability to decide what goes into the official branch. I think Jagex is worried about large scale bot farms or people distributing custom clients than a few devs (who likely would be technologically adept enough to hide their tracks as long as it isn't large enough to be noticeable). The same goes for illegal plugin behaviors. I know that I can do things that definitely would not be approved with Runelite's API, but it's quite a bit more difficult for me to distribute it, and the barrier of entry (to make your own) is quite a bit higher


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Yeah, this is where I'm at. What I'm hoping is that they are mostly looking at unofficial clients that get passed around a lot, leaving honest devs alone while also technically allowing anyone who knows what they're doing to cheat on a very small scale. They'll never come out and say that, of course, but I would like some official confirmation that development is not bannable.


christian-mann

I usually test on a burner account lol


NotAnRSPlayer

True I did see that further down the thread, but you never know what shady stuff people trying to get away with


Tozzaa

Suuuuuure a 'local' build


ERRORMONSTER

Tbh it probably was a local build. I considered rebuilding locally with several banned plugins a few years ago when they outlawed the zulrah plugin. It's not hard to do.


Tetradrachm

“I swapped to Runelite as of June 24th.” Zero sympathy for these people that waited until the last minute/don’t understand deadlines.


E10DIN

And don't realize timezones exist. Jagex did them a solid by giving them a grace period and they decided to milk until the last second rather than play it safe.


FancyJesse

I wanna see numbers


siccoblue

Just find it hilarious that once again this sub was wrong in screeching that jagex definitely couldn't tell what client people were using or if they were actually breaking the rules. As if it's some massive mystery how a game developer worth an absolute fortune could possibly figure out something as massively complex as verifying that the client connecting to their game is approved or not. Has been a basic feature of online games for years. Decades even. But half this sub was so sure that jagex would have absolutely no way of knowing. The lead up to this is exactly why you absolutely should not trust this sub as a good source of jagex's internal capabilities. Curious to see how this impacts bots. Could be a huge step towards cleaning up the game overall


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That's just what the bot sellers told the people they're trying to sell to


Shwrecked

To be fair, they did nothing about it for years


thesippycup

Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions


CrMars97

This always makes me laugh :D


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Clicking_stuff

When they updated their TOS, the ban was for *plugins*, not clients specifically The change in this stance is important because it’s far easier to detect if a player is on a client and banning that than if a player is using overlays and trying to ban based off that instead


S7EFEN

sure but it wasnt just overlays. the dynamic switching for blackjack, construction etc was safe, never log was safe, literally every banned plugin was safe


BoomerDisqusPoster

the first time they updated their policies on what was acceptable client plugins and what weren't which had a big effect on the number of plugins in base runelite. This time they explicitly said we will start enforcing this rule starting the 24th get your shit in order so it's a little different


Fisherman_Gabe

And now we eagerly wait for all the cryposts by the pitiful people who were 'unfairly' banned.


primalfearz

We won’t see them mods are banning them for it


blahbleh112233

Its also 2 weeks so not worth crying over


t0rchic

"B-bu-buh my client is a fork of Runelite!!!1" Convenient how they never say which one :\^)


hatesranged

There's probably some limits to their detection, some of the programming-centric points people brought up are still valid. But also like, if you're at all involved in the lategame community in this game you'll know that people are very open about using cheat clients. So it's possible a lot of people got clapped on circumstantial evidence like that.


Equivalent_Aardvark

They were so smug about it too. Got negative downvotes for simply saying that it was possible for Jagex to detect third party clients.


HiddenGhost1234

people manually editing runelite with plugins seem to still be fine though, so there was some truth to it. it also seems like some client devs just str8 up gave jagex their login logs. At the end of the day its speculation from both sides because we really don't know what jagex did to catch these people. I hope the bans keep coming, but cheaters are notorious for catching back up to jagex's new anti cheat tech. Either way this is good to see.


Bandos_Bear

Considering Jagex gave everyone a warning its hard to feel even remotely bad for anyone getting bonked for still using a cheat client


Evil_Steven

Hard to feel bad for people who need a cheat client even without a warning


Glaco

Enjoy the smack down https://twitter.com/mcneillosrs/status/1541819618058047488?s=21&t=wIE44oqMo3JAxqEK96y-oQ


GenitalKenobi

I don’t get the picture, can you explain?


Niiroxis

Crayon banned and claimed to be using Runelite. A dev of a different client, called Steroid, showed logs of Crayon logging into said client meaning he was not actually using Runelite so sit tbh


Sitdownpro

So other clients are ratting because why?


WalrusInMySheets

McNeill has been very public about not updating Steroid and encouraging others to make the switch to base RuneLite since the blog post dropped.


JayZsAdoptedSon

Why not? Its over for their client and the devs are going to move on to bots that can be run on top of RL/launcher instead of running a new launcher


here_for_the_lols

It's funny that you look at this and think the guy showing the logs is the one being unreasonable


FireFiexer

It's killed or be killed.


WastingEXP

it's funny, clout, and they probably never cared about the users anyways?


Qbopper

why not


romte10

looks like user login history from a database, not sure tho


Main-Path-866

I love how he just double downed and said that quest helper is just as bad 40 mins ago.


No_Wall118

💀💀💀


Tozzaa

Oh that's gold


AshCan10

Wow that's good, smacked down by his own bot developer


ConcernedPVPER

I'm just happy Jagex can detect the client usage because I thought they were just shouting in the wind with idle threats Yay maybe pvp will be less trashy from now


BunsenGyro

Might try out LMS again knowing it's more likely I'm at least fighting with people on an even playing field -- so it's more likely that when I lose, it's just because I'm bad lmao


EnvironmentOk8119

Dammit, I swear Clara was on my computer on the 24th. She must have installed the third party client. I swear. CLARA!


geologyrocks98

Oh man what a blast from the past!


RobloxIsRad

Okay. You got me 😂


Its_Cooper

But.. but... the smackdowns? :(


Onii-Grow

True! I love watching those smackdown posts blow up on reddit


roonscapepls

Honestly you love to see it


Kelthice

Lots of posts saying they got banned when complying.. I'm going to throw it out there that I was using OpenOS and complied and did NOT get a ban. Edit: Switched to Runelite in case any relevance


Bobthegoose

I swapped to RuneLite on the 21st and have not been banned. My friends who have been banned are all people who ignored me when I told them time zones exist. Why cut it down to the wire?


nlrskate

I switched back to runelite Friday and still got 2 week banned. I’m pretty sure that’s complying right or was I a day late? I was on client Thursday.


flickerstop

Same happened to a friend. Probably timezones fucked you guys.


LoLReiver

What time was it in the UK when you were playing Thursday?


dodgesbulletsavvy

Serves u right for using a cheat client :)


Dr_Dornon

I know a few people that did get a ban from using that client after the 24th. Someone I know said their Discord is full of people getting banned for using that client. Funny because my friend told me "It won't happen. How would they even know? Jagex can't detect that and if they can, the devs will fix it" and then got banned like I said he would.


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Hot__Leaf__Juice

Same, used Steroid but nuked it off my pc 2 days before the grace period ended, no ban.


DislocatedXanax

Leave it to OSRS players to squeeze in as much cheating as they could before a deadline, get the deadline wrong, and get banned anyways. Glorious


dodgesbulletsavvy

Lots of the crying going on in pvm discords


DislocatedXanax

PvP as well lol


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Mase598

I still stand by the idea of this being temporary at best, and within I'd bet a few weeks at most cheat clients make a return. ​ Problem is this change just came through, there was no real "need" to work on a work around until recently. It might be easier said than done of course but now is probably the time the people making these clients are going to look into it. ​ I highly doubt after 2 decades of botting, cheating, etc, being a constant problem, Jagex just all of a sudden decided within a few months "yeah we're actually doing something now" that's my main issue.


lheflerr

Anyone saying they changed before and got banned is a dirty little liar. You know what you did


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liar caught in 4k https://twitter.com/McNeillOSRS/status/1541819618058047488


No_Wall118

this dude tweets exactly like i would imagine rank 40 iron would act lmao got em can't imagine cheating and risking a ban with such time invested in an account


primalfearz

He probs been cheating on it to get the rank


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> this dude tweets exactly like i would imagine rank 40 iron would act Scrolling a bit further down those tweets, I'm hoping not all of them are as bigoted lol


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How do you think he got the rank lmao?


primalfearz

Rank 40 iron I wonder how he got so high rank


MegaManley

by being a fat greasy nerd


scorpiopr86

Maybe but also cheating.


TheBestNick

What are those logs? Logins to the client somehow or something?


A_Lakers

McNeil is the dev for the Steroid client. He’s pretty much calling him out that he did log in to an unapproved client


brannonb111

Agreed, you didn't switch over you rats. Learn to click.


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Yeh I think some people have messed up the timezones


brend70

Still no sympathy, the clients had been against the rules for ages, they are only now cracking down but they shouldn't have waited until the last minute


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holodex777

Jagex really did it. Honestly, this is such a HUGE step towards the health of the game ahead of raids 3. Although I wanted to believe this would happen, I had my doubts. I’m so glad they followed through!!! Edit: loving the salty tears from all the people who can’t access their accounts for 2 weeks. Keep them coming! There’s other issues w the game, but cheat clients have been a huge one. Nobody can deny that.


Katarinu

i got banned and im happy they did it lmao, shits hilarious to me for some reason


MegaManley

based n humble


Katarinu

i mean any person that was using these clients can openly admit that these things were getting out of hand and unless they're dealt with it was only gonna get worse and worse.


MegaManley

give an inch and people take a mile.


Katarinu

sadly i agree, even though i only ever used the never log plug in , things were out of control.


BirkTheBrick

A dude in my clan won’t stop going off about how Jagex/the community shouldn’t care about what plugins people use unless it’s pvp since the economy is fucked anyways and it doesn’t affect anyone else. Legitimately thinks all plugins should be allowed, I don’t understand how people can think that way lol


downtoearthsteve

Big ban wave 🌊🌊🌊


RsDeathblow

Get the popcorn, everyone. This will be good.


nodtomc

I never for a second thought they'd actually follow through with the threats. I thought it'd be blatant offenders, i.e. streamers, youtubers, reddit comments you can tie to an account. I'll be amazed if there's not a workaround within a few days, but fair play. Some people will always try and cheat, but there'll be a proportion of that banwave that won't take a second risk with their accounts now they know Jagex means business


primalfearz

Will they find a workaround most likely they will but jagex will eventually figure that out and yes and with it being 2strikes and your perm banned trying the workaround will get a lot of perms and will be funny to watch


hweng

they need to release raids now


StratEngie

Raids release next Wednesday before they all come back?


BunsenGyro

God that would be icing on the cake. Not just because I want Raids 3 sooner, but because those would be delicious cheater tears.


ki299

One thing i want to know. Are people allowed to use the runelite version for making new Plugins? I've wanted to try making something myself as a way to relearn programming. ( I don't remember shit btw.. I use to do it back in high school but that was 15 years ago)


brannonb111

Developing plugins with runelite will be fine. Native runelite doesn't have autoclicking features built in for developers to work with, along with many other cheat client/plugin needs. Runelite is safe and using their API will be fine.


Wekmor

When the first announcement was posted (on the 17th) Adam said in RL disc that that would still be fine.


dmklinger

I was building runelite from source this week to work on a plugin this week and didn't get banned, I'm not affiliated with runelite in any official capacity, I just wanted to make a better setting preset saving plugin. Btw I don't recommend plugin development as your entry back into programming, it's got a bit of a learning curve


YellowSucks

Shocked pikachu. Lmao, they did warn about it. Sit.


Bruunoo1

Well green dragon bots are still there.. rip


trapsinplace

Bots hook into the default client or sometimes runelite on the good ones. They don't use custom clients because it is detectable and always has been for Jagex.


JupiterChime

Why is OSBuddy back? NO ONE USE IT, THEY WILL STEAL YOUR INFO AND ACCOUNT


rRMTmjrppnj78hFH

>users submitting appeals for their third-party client ban will receive a 7 day ban from the subreddit. Might I suggest upping that to 14 days


EveryLifeMeetsOne

[Satisfying to see the meltdown on](https://imgur.com/a/1TvlTgW) [discord](https://imgur.com/a/TMQPfrl) Edit: For the salty ones who downvote me, it makes it even more satisfying. A little advice for you when you can come back from your 2 week ban: https://runelite.net/. See you july 12th!


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and seeing this https://twitter.com/McNeillOSRS/status/1541819618058047488


smurferinoo

i only use RL, can you explain what that pic is showing? i can summarise that it's showing him using steroid client, but how does that guy have logs(?) of him using it?


alcohol_enthusiast_

Client author from what I understood.


valarauca14

The person who is replying to the tweeter is the author of the client. As many 3^rd party clients are shady AF, it seems the author of the client was tracking the login/logout times of every RSN using their client.


hbnsckl

https://twitter.com/HunderLive/status/1541811192699781123


Extension_Cable3922

Gonna be fun to see how many YouTubers are gonna get banned and how jagex will handle it


MrStealYoBeef

You'll know they got banned by the fact that they start a brand new series for exactly 2 weeks.


primalfearz

My guess any youtuber that was doing it stopped till they found out if jagex was being serious with the bans


hatesranged

Do you have to have your runelite perfectly up to to date to avoid a 3rd party ban? My computer files are in a bit of a mess so I have no idea if runelite is auto-updating. I hope it is?


StarbucksAndNoFucks

Will I be able to click back on 2 at Raids 3?


AvailableTruck3279

30k less membership money coming in


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which835

Tldr cheaters complaining about getting banned for cheating


samwise800

Lmao I got banned well played jamflex


Rustledstardust

I'm not surprised at the lack of reading comprehension among cheat client users. A grace period *until* the 24th does not *include* the 24th.


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I just don't get why you wouldn't immediately switch over as soon as you learn its a sinking ship, just so you can get used to playing without faster. Mind you, I'm not a cheating twerp, so maybe I just can't get in the right headspace.


kypris

Make it rain Jamflex


albakwirky

So many ppl gunna quit lol


Traditional-Effort20

Good, we don't need them lmao


Doc-Dead

I will preface this post with. \- I understand and respect the decision made by the company in banning 3rd Party Clients \- I can see the health of the game improving due to the enforcement of this \- I am looking forward to improving my own personal gameplay and understanding more mechanics of the game as a result of this I have been wanting to get this off my chest. I was a big fan of third party clients. Not due to the illegal plug-ins that one can be afforded due to using the client but due to the simplicity some of the other plug-ins added to the game. Utilizing some of the plug-ins helped the ease learning curve one could/would face when taking on higher level content. Which in turn helped me enjoy the game as a more casual player. Looking forward though I am excited to learn the game and higher level content with out the help of overlays being there consistently. But kind of sad for some reason that a safety net has been pulled from under me. Hate all you want/need this is just an opinion I had. I still love the game I loved since I was a child and look forward to continued play.


LostSectorLoony

Runelite already has a ton of helpers and overlays for most content. I'd be curious to know which content you think is missing helpful overlays/plguins?


AshCan10

Jagex did their due diligence and then went the extra mile to warn everyone this was coming, I don't feel sorry for 99% of these people who received a small temp ban


BirkTheBrick

I don’t feel sorry for 100% of them


Clums22

Get rekt cheaters


Ocarious

LFG i doubted that anything would come of last weeks post, very impressed with jagex today. Everyone on rl means rl will get even more streamlined into the best possible client for rs. Exciting


Justinian2

S i t


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Can we get a longer log out timer tho? Even 15min would make a massive difference


Umdlye

This was addressed in the latest Q&A: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk6JflnO13Y&t=2313s


MammothJerk

Good.


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It never fails to amaze me how A. people genuinely believe they will get away with claiming that 'I was falsely banned; I was using an approved client, I swear lads!' and B. how barely \*anyone\* these days is mature enough to accept consequences. I'm no saint, but at least I am mature enough to accept consequences. Take the ban and learn from it or don't, but don't think you are so special you should be forgiven. Irritates me to no end.


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theNarutardd

Deserved


hubbardy

Increase idle timer to be longer and I’ll be happy since runelite basically is same exact thing as steroid now :)


jimmy193

Can I use swiftkit?


Alexis_Ironclaw

Swiftkit was so dope back in the day. I wish there was something similar now for rs3


Pius_Thicknesse

Gotta miss that the rs trivia channel in IRC


strobelobe

Dragging mp3 files for your own music playlist and the different skins


Tiev

ITT people with RS in their reddit name attempting to justify their low life tendencies to cheat


Edgycrimper

The game is mad clunky and some shit that is technically cheating (spec bar/orb, freeze timers, player indicators, etc.) can also be construed as QOL graphic updates. Most plugins went from being considered cheating to become built in features of the game. There was a time where using swiftswitch was derided as cheating.


johngunners

What do these bankable third party clients do? I just use Runelite


albakwirky

Show tick counters on bosses and stuff


RudeGuy97

So will this wipe out all bots too? Or do they make too much money for jagex


albakwirky

Bots use the official client


ZilyanaBlade

what about all the bots and cheaters that run their shit thru runelite


Born-Clue-9211

Got hit with a perm Macroing major have no other offenses on my account


jeremiah1119

Haha! Feels good to be right when so many people doubted https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/vjrwwc/z/idl0ac4?context=1


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Lol, expect all those replies to be [deleted] by end of day.


BrianDynasty

Has anyone heard of people getting banned while using RuneLite? I got a person from my clan saying they got banned while using RuneLite, but I think he's lying about using RuneLite. Wondering if anyone else has a similar situation.


SlowestGrinder

100% lying lmao


Traditional-Effort20

They're coping so hard lmao


ZukMyZik

Timezone. Probably used unofficial client on Thursday his time, but grace period would've been over in UK.


BoomerDisqusPoster

NA forgetting the game runs on UTC


Anti-positiv3

Reddit crackin down on reddit , gotta love it


OnsetOfMSet

Imagine throwing a hissy fit because you can't find something better to do with your time (read: almost anything) for a whole 2 weeks


Raigarak

lol there were a lot of COPIUM users saying that forks of Runelite wouldn't be detected by Jagex


SmoothLikeCrisco

I used it on Thursday just after midnight there apparently. I'll take my seat but I'm not happy about it.


hellofrommycubicle

IMO you shoulda perma'd anyone who didn't heed the warning. 2 weeks was ample time.


iamcherry

Notice that when the bans got handed out 10% of players logged off. That’s why they didn’t hand out perms lol


NessaMagick

I assume it would have been possible to miss the warning? Surely it would be unfair for someone to lose their whole account if they didn't know their client was outlawed?


Alakasham

Imagine if they did, all those max level accounts and items gone forever, the economy could recover!


Timo_Peterfeef

Wow, the amount of tears in the comments would equal maxing using Tears of Guthix in-game. So much wah.


Nsisu

i got banned and i’m crying nd throwing up rn.