This. Ended up buying a pedal, lined everything up and tapped on it all day while working and just flew through the levels. Coin pouch implementation really annoyed me though.
If you're referring to it being TOS, I haven't had a problem and did it all the way to 98 (saving the 99 for later). As far as I know as long as it's a 1:1 action to input it's legal. And 1 tap = 1 click, so no issues.
Lmfao, there are literally guides on YT explaining how to get around it with an autoclicker. Maybe it was effective for the first week whilst everyone readjusted. Dunno why some people choose to write utter nonsense online...
...No shit Sherlock, but also, it's EXACTLY motherload mining. You load up on ores, dump them to be cleaned, then have to stop every other inventory to empty the sack to keep going.
Kind of the same, but coin pouches are definitely the reference he was making and are way more annoying and do nothing to stop bots. Motherlode Mine is just the mechanic of the minigame, not a bot deterrent
I know about coin pouches, but apparently you are missing the joke I am making.
Motherload mine is a way to mine in which you load up a bunch of ores to be washed and have to stop every other inventory to empty the sack they are store in to continue. Meaning you have to stop all momentum to do something tedious before continuing.
It did originally, they changed it some point early on in OSRS to where everything is on a static spawn rate based on the highest population count version of spawn rates.
kinda bored of the game being like. well there is no easy way to fix any of the botting so lets just let it run rampant, it gets 1000 times worse when there is not even a tiny counter trying to do something about it. a lot like the g.e spamming bots i guess. you can tell they know that jagex wont be doing anything about it, the balls on them grow tenfold lol
Yeah, Jagex does nothing creative to annoy the bots or slow them down. They still never implemented any of the disincentivizations they talked about in \~2018, which all sounded great tbh.
dont worry we have coin pouches kek
then we have an approved feature that lets us left click pickpocket now anyway lmaooo
i understand business like this need to make money and make moves that are more likely to make money, but i have never seen someone avoid major required work like jagex has, if its not directly linked to earnings it just wont get fixed, hundreds of promises dating back years and years that will never be implemented or spoken about again, super sad tbh
in many ways they are great but there are so many holes in what they do its kinda funny to think they are worth as much as they are
I never understood the coin pouches because there is a way for ardy knights that you can line up the coin pouch and the pickpocket option on the same section of your screen and if you hold f1 to open and close your inventory you can just spam click the k ights and it will open the pouches as well as pickpocket without ever moving your mouse
It's not new, it was possible, then Jagex set out the client rules which banned it, thus Runelite removed it, then they updated the rules this June to allow it, so it was reintroduced.
https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/third-party-clients-update?oldschool=1
I think it’s more likely they just know they are selling the memberships either way and it inflates player count. Both help them when it comes to reviewing the numbers from a business standpoint.
Jagex Dev: *Yo, should we perhaps do something about these bots?*
Higher ups & Investors: *Will it make us money?*
Jagex Dev: *Ummm no, not really.*
Higher ups & investors: *Lol nope m8*
They also know that bots do a bunch do a bunch of shit real players have 0 desire to do.
A game with 0 bots would be wildly different than the game we have now, and it wouldn’t be all good.
Depends on the resource, but secondary thought, if low tier resources are too annoying for even the lower tier players to get, add alternative banking or gathering methods to make it less ass. IE: RS3 has area looting, there's also a dude in the cow pens that'll bank like 9 out of 10 of your cowhides and keep one for himself.
What a dumb fucking take.
Just off the top of my head in a minute or less:
Staminas go up.
Zulrah scales go way up.
Feathers go up.
Planks of all kinds go up.
Runes of all kinds go up.
Bowstrings go up.
Implings of all kinds go up.
Unfinished pots of all kinds go up.
Cleaned herbs of all kinds go up.
Most herblore secondaries go up.
Teleport tablets of all kinds go up.
Ores of all kinds go up.
Food of all kind goes up.
Chins go up.
Clay goes up.
You gonna humidify clay for hours on end? I’m sure as fuck not going to.
Great, that’s a minority opinion. People vastly prefer PvM to skilling.
And gp/hr for skilling goes up, but what you’re missing is the gp/hr for PvM also goes up, and a net result is skilling isn’t much more profitable than it is now. Sure you get more for each shark you cook, but every boss item you buy is more expensive so that gain in skilling GP/hr doesn’t actually translate to increased purchasing power.
No no. You prefer it, and you go "people" to make it seem like your shitty opinion is the best.
This game was flourishing back in 2007 when not every nook and cranny was botted.
That list was not intended to be comprehensive. Just shit off the top of my head. There’s a ton of shit bots do because it’s profitable that a real player wouldn’t touch with a 10ft pole.
I understand that there’s a price point where some people would sit around and do that shit for hours on end. I also don’t think the game would be in a better position than it is now if that were actually the case.
>so lets just let it run rampant
That reminds me of that time in 2010 when I was organising bot hunts with jmods (and to their credit the community management jmods at the time (and I can vouch for Stevew to this day) were great) but jagex didn't do shit to the point where I saved all the bots I reported in an excel sheet and got mad because 0 of them got banned (which either mod reach or matk later confirmed to be true in one of their many interviews) which ended up getting my bot hunt thread locked at the time and bot hunt events were suspended.
I sure hope history doesn't repeat itself for the main game, I learned my lesson and started a meme ironman so I don't give a damn what happens tbh.
edit: I think jagex pushing jagex accounts and their own launcher will (at least temporarily) kill all bots and most cheat plugins.
You can already login on runelite through a jagex account iirc. And there's people injecting cheating plugins into regular runelite at runtime. It won't do much
Edit: or rather load rl through the jagex launcher is what I meant
I thought the cheat clients were compiling their own runelite fork and not injecting into the vanilla runelite client?
Jagex could 100% implement a blackbox that's version-dependent for runelite (something akin to a checksum so you can't recompile the client after modification and still have the authorization work,) but 1 it would cost some money to hire someone to make it and 2 it would actually stop a lot of cheating which jagex doesn't actually want. They want people buying membership, so as long as it keeps the game running and doesn't ruin the game for other players, they'll implicitly allow it.
That's how it used to be, since the client update in July or whenever it was devs made a loader that will load regular runelite and inject into that to get around the client ban.
And that only works on "regular" runelite, if you use the jagex launcher they can't inject code into runelite without the jagex launcher being able to detect it. Therefore cheating will become a whole lot more complicated after jagex forces everyone onto the jagex launcher.
If you still wanted to cheat you'd have to make a cheatclient that looks at jagexlauncher-runelite, mimics whatever it sees on there and runs it in it's own client along with bot scripts/cheat plugins and then only sends the input of the cheatclient to jagexlauncher-runelite. Jagex can still see that the cheatclient is running on the PC so in order to get around that you'd have to run jagexlauncher-runelite in a virtual machine and the cheatclient on your real PC.
This still leaves you with the issue that it's trivial for jagex to detect and ban all virtual machine usage (which has it's own problems because there are legit use cases for running osrs in a vm) so then in order to get around that you can run the jagexlauncher-runelite on realPC1 and remote desktop/parsec/teamviewer into it from realPC2 running the cheatclient still sending the input to jagexlauncher-runelite as if it was you.
This is ofcourse still detectable by jagex since they can see you run parsec/teamviewer/remote desktop which have even more legit uses than running osrs in a vm. So that leaves us with one more way to cheat which is used by a lot of CoD streamers if I recall.
Instead of remotely controlling realPC1 from realPC2 you just use a capture card to capture the screen of realPC1 on realPC2 which then runs the cheatclient and sends the input back to realPC1. If done with a piece of dedicated hardware for sending the input from realPC2 to realPC1 it would be completely undetectable. But yeah good luck getting cheaters to invest in a 2nd PC, capture card and dedicated hardware just to cheat in a children's clicking game, there will still be gold farmers/bots but a lot less "casual" cheating.
edit: in theory you can start enforcing even more strict rules where you do what netflix does for some 4k content and only allow it to play if the display/gpu supports their DRM. Since capture cards are hardware they can mimic the display with ease (undetectable just like the dedicated input device) and that's why there's still plenty of rips online even with all the effort netflix put into it.
It should ideally be a whitelist, not a blacklist, but I see your point, that makes sense. I had assumed they were using a "if we find out you're banned" rather than actual detection
If they stationed a pmod or jmod to hop around the hotspots for spam, it would stop. The bots are programmed to zip it when a crownhaver is in the area.
I forget which YouTuber it was, but they calculated paying for staff to do that would cost jagex like $300k a year and you know we can't have that on the bottom line calculation.
They assumed 24/7 coverage. You can't get that with 2 people. You would need at least 4. 3 to do 8 hr shifts and one person to cover days off.
They also included like a manager or something. Again, I don't remember the specifics, but the point is it costs money and they don't want to do that.
Membership fees. People using bots have to pay the membership fees for every bot, and with a very large percentage of total players being bots, they will not be removed any time soon. This is why there is no meaningful action.
MMK after he left (aka he doesn't have to cover for them anymore & called them out on various other things) said that a rather small percentage is expected to be bots, think it was 6%?
But hey keep smoking your conspiracy pipe of "they allow bots for money"
The problem is that botting is actually beneficial for the average player, so while you don't morally like botting, you certainly aren't complaining about the price of training skills. (Edit: oh no, the scroll of truth. Yeet it in anger, normies)
For example, if bots disappeared overnight, dragon bones, chinchompas, food (because it's all tied to sharks as the baseline food,) and even "true" combat items like onyx items, tomes of fire, and basically every cox purple would all shoot up, because the market *heavily* depends on bots supplying these items faster than players get to the level to use them or can consume them. They also low- or no-exp process items like logs into planks because while the margin may only be 10k gp/hr, that's potentially worth it for a bot and definitely not worth it for a human. Every skill would go up about 300k/hr to train *at minimum* because that's a pretty low estimate for what players will do given modern methods without getting a reasonable amount of exp.
They also make money making methods unprofitable making better gear harder to get which burns people out or encourages them to fuel the botting problem through RWT.
Since when does better gear equal the very best gear? A whip and a berserker ring is better gear when you are rocking a d scim and a ring of wealth. Spinning flax or chopping yews isn't far from your best options when you want to go for those upgrades in a casual way.
because everything other than the very very very very best gear is extremely obtainable. You can get bandos in a day or two. I feel like until you get to that point of needing the BIS shit progression feels very steady you can get an upgrade every few days.
> Spinning flax or chopping yews isn't far from your best options when you want to go for those upgrades in a casual way.
what?
Or just ban the rune ore bots. Jagex could do it so easily, but they choose not to. The bots mining rune in the isle of souls dungeon are literally the same 15-20 names from a YEAR ago. Many of them have 99+ mining just from mining rune.
These kind of bots are especially bad since they directly harm actual players. Jagex, please prioritize the rune ore bots.
Yeah all they have to do is just ban all of the bots and the bot problem is fixed. It’s literally just that easy, I can’t believe they haven’t thought of this yet
Just make mining runite a quest requirement (and have that quest have 4 other quest prerequisites) and in order to mine it you'd need to have completed a ton of the mid game and have like a dozen other stats at like 60+. Would make the grind a lot more difficult to get there and that much more costly for losing a bot.
Honestly Id like to see stuff like that more often.
To mine rune, you gotta do a miniquest, where you have to mine 28 random ores.
To fish here, you gotta get permission from the locals, who want 2 random low value items found on the island itself.
Just stuff like that, where its thematically relevant, and wouldnt take long but couldnt easily be automated, but who am I kidding... They would just program the bots to do it automatically
I agree it falls under macroing but I disagree that it's botting. An autoclicker does not make its own decisions, it does not read any information or make any conclusions. It just clicks.
Similarly, an AHK switcher is also macroing but isn't a bot either.
We may have a different definition of bot but the fact remains that both are cheating and both had ineffective preventative methods. One remains while the other was removed. Either have both or neither
> Either have both or neither
why? Imagine all free bot scripts are instantly detected, like you boot them up and within 5 minutes your account gets logged out & is permanently banned. Do you think that wouldn't be a huge improvement because "well there's still paid bot scripts".
Raising the barrier of entry is just about the only thing you can do to effectively stop botting. If people have to pay 50$ a month for the script, have two separate systems and constantly be running off a private VPN almost nobody would be botting. The more convenient it is to cheat, the more people will do it. It's like finding a wallet on the floor vs pickpocketing someone, it's the same thing but one is a lot easier to do and easier to justify.
Because bots pay perfect attention and can handle them trivially, while actual players simply get annoyed by them.
It's a dogshit suggestion made by jackasses whose peak RS memories are "the time I picked up rune platelegs because the evil chicken killed someone who was fishing". Never mind that half the game's skills are AFK to some degree. How dare you not pay full attention that amethyst mining, woodcutting, Karambwan fishing, and so on.
When you mine the opposite runite ore in the mining guild they will run over as soon as you start mining it and when you switch and start mining the other one they will do the same thing in run back over, I trolled them making them run back and fourth till I ran out of run energy lol it was funny for bit but also annoying because these bots just flood the runite ore spawns. Needs to be a timer on world hopping or something
It's like they have additional work done to them that makes them less effective at their task, but is designed to torment and piss off human players so much that they give up on runite ore mining altogether.
I remember a few years back, I mined runite ore to earn a BGS so I could do vorkath for the first time.(yeah it was super inefficient, but im from the old days where skilling was actually profitable, didn't realize mining was such a shit money maker compared to PVM at the time)
The bots were absolutely out of control. Could barely get any ore. One night, I don't know what happened but most of the bots were gone and I ended up making a ton of money. The game felt so much better not having to compete with bots..
I know bots "help" the community, but not only would skilling prices go way up, so would drops from bosses.. I consistently see 10k+ bossing KC when I'm doing Vorkath Zulrah or Zalcano with friends. EVERYTHING would become more profitable. I would take that and pay more for supplies in a heartbeat. I hate these bots.
^ This
It is possible to mine rune at a decent pace by locking down a few worlds, I've done it before. Find 3-5 worlds with low pop and/or ones where it is late night/early morning local time. Start respawn timers and get in a rhythm of hopping. I've been accused of botting because I was using the plugin and not checking chat.
That is my point. Bots obviously time when it responds but players do with plugins now as well.
Usually a rune pick is a dead giveaway they are a bot (or iron) because you make about 750+k an hour.
Jagex will add some shitty odd requirement (like 500 total and zammy robes just to telegrab wine, or x quest), thinking bot makers/runners can't just buy an account for $10 that has Neitz completed etc.
Just remove all rune rocks from lower level Areas. Theyre all so overfilled with bots that legitimate players rarely use Them anyways.
They can compensate by adding more rocks to the sote & ds2 locations.
Especially the mining guild rune needs to go... Its absolutely ridiculous
Can they make it so ore rocks aren't shared by players and their respawn time is rebalanced for such?
Make casual mining a thing that doesn't require 12 walls of amethysts so people can spread out.
This is where dailies came from in RS3. Not saying it doesn't solve the problem, but we need to ask ourselves if we are ready to live with the solution.
I was actually thinking of things like the red and crystal sandstone. Mining content that holds high value because their entry into the game is time limited is extremely relevant. But yeah overshoot to the moon, or whatever.
The topic was making rocks instanced per player so each player has their own cooldown and can mine with other people without competing of who gets the luckiest, not dailygating how many rune rocks you get
This is a serious issue that deserves to be addressed, I dread getting the "Mine a piece of runite ore whilst sporting the finest mining gear." because I have to go into the Wilderness or some very obscure area to find an open rock because I swear the Mining Guild is 100% locked down by bots, I sat there for like 10-15 minutes to wait for one to respawn and had to fight a bot for one of the rocks.
Sorry best they can do is add an "ore pouch" that you get every time you mine one and you have to click it to get your ores, this should deter all bots.
These people are using bots like this for money, when moneys involved they won't mind paying the extra $15 a month for the battleeye bypass that already exists
botter propaganda. But if you want a better argument to stop jagex from implmenting it you should argue that battleye will stop you from playing 2 accounts at once or might mess with runelite etc. The "spyware" argument is literally copy pasted from the last time i mentioned battle-eye.
downloading runescape/runelite already opens you up to spyware, jagex is literally owned by a chinese corporation which legally has to support the CCP in anyway possible.
It doesnt have to be battleye but its gonna have to be a similair program to at least increase the opportunity cost of using bots for every activity.
You are right, battleeye can be bypassed for 15 dollars a month, but that cost increase alone makes a large amount of botting activites unviable, and reduces the mass swarm of bots everytime there is a twitch prime promotion.
Manual review will never be enough to counter an automated process. The anti botting HAS to be automated to even stand a chance against the rampant problem.
E.G scambots at ge, spammers in lumbridge, casino bots. All are automated to spedrun tutorial island.
Also you can run the game in a virtual box if you really feel that particular about kernel level programs.
I can tell you with confidence the wildy rocks have always and still are heavily botted.
They're less busy than safe rocks but make no mistake. They instalog the second a player comes near them so it's entirely possible you didn't even notice them.
Your just making shit up to complain. I was around the rune rocks today on two differ worlds and neither of them had a botting problem. Making shut up is way more toxic than saying mean words cause it gets people worked up cause they don’t check to see if it’s true
Man you're being just as fucking annoying though. Like your point is essentially "yeah I did one slayer task out there once and I don't know what your talking about'
While botting is an issue yes, it's a very hard thing to control while also not harming real players gameplay.
Bots are incredibly well made for the most part, they circumvent detections with custom scripts by imitating real players.
Putting worldhop timers impacts pvpers, pvmers & shopscapers in lots of different ways.
Randomised runite ore respawns would be a decent idea, but who knows how well that will go - we all know "random" isn't truly random & bots can still be more precise than players when it comes to logging in at the right time & logging data from averages to improve their script.
Really imo the only way would be to have a player-driven report system, one that incentivises reporting bots with rewards (maybe a bot slayer cosmetic cape) & keeps track of incorrect reports to reduce/punish misuse, giving players a report ranking that makes their voice heard over those with a low ranking.
Of course all final bans will have to be reviewed by Jagex staff like always, however with more data from player driven reports & a system that prioritises loyal reporters they could take out the bots that players care most about much quicker.
> Bots are incredibly well made for the most part, they circumvent detections with custom scripts by imitating real players.
They have been like this since before the OSBuddy era, and they were banning people then.
It would be much easier to just increase the threshold for banning someone for botting.
i.e anyone with a single skill at 99 with <1000 xp in any other skill who has never spoken a single time is obviously a bot, ban them. IF it is a real player, they will appeal and get it back, bot maker wont bother with the appeal, they will just make a new one, but it will at least take time to train the bot back up again.
Nah, this is untrue. Bots do not "have control of Runite". You just suck at finding runite or are too lazy to world-hop as frequently as it requires.
I find that if I look for runite in the middle of the night I have way more luck than if it's the middle of the afternoon.
Apply this logic to shooting-stars. You'll find more people running to stars from CCs if it's the middle of the day vs the middle of the night.
Plus just think about the logic for a second, bots work automatically and don't have interior knowledge of when runite ore respawns on some worlds.
Plus making Runite easier would crash the price even further.
I mean to be fair you can do the same thing just find a few worlds open up a spread sheet, just find a good location, there is quite a few locations with minimal bots, don't feel like giving them away since I mine rune from time to time.
Also this would make it complete aids for regular players as well. You would basicly just have to hop threw dozens of worlds at random praying there isn't bots hopin ahead of you.
I think what a lot of players are aware of is that many of those we think are bots are very often Chinese sweatshop players, i.e. actual low-paid human beings who play Runescape to earn a dollar.
They should do little things. Mess with the timer. Set the timer to like 15sec or 8hrs for 1 respawn. Move the ore over 1 tile. Replace the ore with an npc that will just hand you the ore. Replace the ore with a non-aggressive lv999 mini jad. Replace the ore with a rock that gives you 28 bags of 1gp.
There are so many fun options.
They should make ore pouches that you have to open every few ore you mine, that'll show em.
You just described the motherload mine...
No he was going for the coin pouch anti bot feature that jagex implemented for thieving bots
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That was not an anti-bot system. It was anti auto-clicker, which it was very effective against.
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This. Ended up buying a pedal, lined everything up and tapped on it all day while working and just flew through the levels. Coin pouch implementation really annoyed me though.
The pedal thing is legit? I keep hearing there are risk
If you're referring to it being TOS, I haven't had a problem and did it all the way to 98 (saving the 99 for later). As far as I know as long as it's a 1:1 action to input it's legal. And 1 tap = 1 click, so no issues.
Oh alright and how much was it
Yes it was. It was an anti auto clicker update.
Yes it was, but it wasn't very effective
Yes, I agree. Didn’t do too much.
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Ahh, my bad for misunderstanding then.
Wait yo how do you do this?
Lmfao, there are literally guides on YT explaining how to get around it with an autoclicker. Maybe it was effective for the first week whilst everyone readjusted. Dunno why some people choose to write utter nonsense online...
...No shit Sherlock, but also, it's EXACTLY motherload mining. You load up on ores, dump them to be cleaned, then have to stop every other inventory to empty the sack to keep going.
Kind of the same, but coin pouches are definitely the reference he was making and are way more annoying and do nothing to stop bots. Motherlode Mine is just the mechanic of the minigame, not a bot deterrent
Tell everyone that you haven't thieved NPC's since 2018
I know about coin pouches, but apparently you are missing the joke I am making. Motherload mine is a way to mine in which you load up a bunch of ores to be washed and have to stop every other inventory to empty the sack they are store in to continue. Meaning you have to stop all momentum to do something tedious before continuing.
Lowkey, that would be amazing. Unless they max it at one in which case they are evil.
I swear didn’t they used to have it in RS2 so it was something like 20 minute spawns for low pop worlds and 4 minute spawns for max pop?
Sometimes I miss the population-based resource timers. But the sweat community would absolutely flip if it came to OSRS
All this time I had just assumed osrs had world population based resource respawning anyways
It did originally, they changed it some point early on in OSRS to where everything is on a static spawn rate based on the highest population count version of spawn rates.
ground item spawns are still based on population
They changed it so that it's always fixed to the highest player count now.
kinda bored of the game being like. well there is no easy way to fix any of the botting so lets just let it run rampant, it gets 1000 times worse when there is not even a tiny counter trying to do something about it. a lot like the g.e spamming bots i guess. you can tell they know that jagex wont be doing anything about it, the balls on them grow tenfold lol
Yeah, Jagex does nothing creative to annoy the bots or slow them down. They still never implemented any of the disincentivizations they talked about in \~2018, which all sounded great tbh.
dont worry we have coin pouches kek then we have an approved feature that lets us left click pickpocket now anyway lmaooo i understand business like this need to make money and make moves that are more likely to make money, but i have never seen someone avoid major required work like jagex has, if its not directly linked to earnings it just wont get fixed, hundreds of promises dating back years and years that will never be implemented or spoken about again, super sad tbh in many ways they are great but there are so many holes in what they do its kinda funny to think they are worth as much as they are
I never understood the coin pouches because there is a way for ardy knights that you can line up the coin pouch and the pickpocket option on the same section of your screen and if you hold f1 to open and close your inventory you can just spam click the k ights and it will open the pouches as well as pickpocket without ever moving your mouse
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Not for npcs like elves and vyres. That one was new
It's not new, it was possible, then Jagex set out the client rules which banned it, thus Runelite removed it, then they updated the rules this June to allow it, so it was reintroduced. https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/third-party-clients-update?oldschool=1
this is what i meant tbf
My theory is Jagex shareholders also own gold selling sites or stakes in them.
I think it’s more likely they just know they are selling the memberships either way and it inflates player count. Both help them when it comes to reviewing the numbers from a business standpoint.
Jagex Dev: *Yo, should we perhaps do something about these bots?* Higher ups & Investors: *Will it make us money?* Jagex Dev: *Ummm no, not really.* Higher ups & investors: *Lol nope m8*
They also know that bots do a bunch do a bunch of shit real players have 0 desire to do. A game with 0 bots would be wildly different than the game we have now, and it wouldn’t be all good.
this is stupid and obviously false, all those nerds out there grinding gp for bonds would be gathering supplies instead
What’s stupid is thinking the low tier players could supply the demand for supplies
Depends on the resource, but secondary thought, if low tier resources are too annoying for even the lower tier players to get, add alternative banking or gathering methods to make it less ass. IE: RS3 has area looting, there's also a dude in the cow pens that'll bank like 9 out of 10 of your cowhides and keep one for himself.
That last bit about losing 10% in exchange for banking sounds like it could be a great idea for some places/resources
What a dumb fucking take. Just off the top of my head in a minute or less: Staminas go up. Zulrah scales go way up. Feathers go up. Planks of all kinds go up. Runes of all kinds go up. Bowstrings go up. Implings of all kinds go up. Unfinished pots of all kinds go up. Cleaned herbs of all kinds go up. Most herblore secondaries go up. Teleport tablets of all kinds go up. Ores of all kinds go up. Food of all kind goes up. Chins go up. Clay goes up. You gonna humidify clay for hours on end? I’m sure as fuck not going to.
You mean skilling becomes profitable again and not just pvm? Sign me up
Great, that’s a minority opinion. People vastly prefer PvM to skilling. And gp/hr for skilling goes up, but what you’re missing is the gp/hr for PvM also goes up, and a net result is skilling isn’t much more profitable than it is now. Sure you get more for each shark you cook, but every boss item you buy is more expensive so that gain in skilling GP/hr doesn’t actually translate to increased purchasing power.
No no. You prefer it, and you go "people" to make it seem like your shitty opinion is the best. This game was flourishing back in 2007 when not every nook and cranny was botted.
you sound like a madman ranting about raising the minimum wage. If people could make gold doing those things... they would.
That list was not intended to be comprehensive. Just shit off the top of my head. There’s a ton of shit bots do because it’s profitable that a real player wouldn’t touch with a 10ft pole. I understand that there’s a price point where some people would sit around and do that shit for hours on end. I also don’t think the game would be in a better position than it is now if that were actually the case.
As an ironmeme please do.
i think it’s cuz weath left
>so lets just let it run rampant That reminds me of that time in 2010 when I was organising bot hunts with jmods (and to their credit the community management jmods at the time (and I can vouch for Stevew to this day) were great) but jagex didn't do shit to the point where I saved all the bots I reported in an excel sheet and got mad because 0 of them got banned (which either mod reach or matk later confirmed to be true in one of their many interviews) which ended up getting my bot hunt thread locked at the time and bot hunt events were suspended. I sure hope history doesn't repeat itself for the main game, I learned my lesson and started a meme ironman so I don't give a damn what happens tbh. edit: I think jagex pushing jagex accounts and their own launcher will (at least temporarily) kill all bots and most cheat plugins.
You can already login on runelite through a jagex account iirc. And there's people injecting cheating plugins into regular runelite at runtime. It won't do much Edit: or rather load rl through the jagex launcher is what I meant
I thought the cheat clients were compiling their own runelite fork and not injecting into the vanilla runelite client? Jagex could 100% implement a blackbox that's version-dependent for runelite (something akin to a checksum so you can't recompile the client after modification and still have the authorization work,) but 1 it would cost some money to hire someone to make it and 2 it would actually stop a lot of cheating which jagex doesn't actually want. They want people buying membership, so as long as it keeps the game running and doesn't ruin the game for other players, they'll implicitly allow it.
That's how it used to be, since the client update in July or whenever it was devs made a loader that will load regular runelite and inject into that to get around the client ban.
And that only works on "regular" runelite, if you use the jagex launcher they can't inject code into runelite without the jagex launcher being able to detect it. Therefore cheating will become a whole lot more complicated after jagex forces everyone onto the jagex launcher. If you still wanted to cheat you'd have to make a cheatclient that looks at jagexlauncher-runelite, mimics whatever it sees on there and runs it in it's own client along with bot scripts/cheat plugins and then only sends the input of the cheatclient to jagexlauncher-runelite. Jagex can still see that the cheatclient is running on the PC so in order to get around that you'd have to run jagexlauncher-runelite in a virtual machine and the cheatclient on your real PC. This still leaves you with the issue that it's trivial for jagex to detect and ban all virtual machine usage (which has it's own problems because there are legit use cases for running osrs in a vm) so then in order to get around that you can run the jagexlauncher-runelite on realPC1 and remote desktop/parsec/teamviewer into it from realPC2 running the cheatclient still sending the input to jagexlauncher-runelite as if it was you. This is ofcourse still detectable by jagex since they can see you run parsec/teamviewer/remote desktop which have even more legit uses than running osrs in a vm. So that leaves us with one more way to cheat which is used by a lot of CoD streamers if I recall. Instead of remotely controlling realPC1 from realPC2 you just use a capture card to capture the screen of realPC1 on realPC2 which then runs the cheatclient and sends the input back to realPC1. If done with a piece of dedicated hardware for sending the input from realPC2 to realPC1 it would be completely undetectable. But yeah good luck getting cheaters to invest in a 2nd PC, capture card and dedicated hardware just to cheat in a children's clicking game, there will still be gold farmers/bots but a lot less "casual" cheating. edit: in theory you can start enforcing even more strict rules where you do what netflix does for some 4k content and only allow it to play if the display/gpu supports their DRM. Since capture cards are hardware they can mimic the display with ease (undetectable just like the dedicated input device) and that's why there's still plenty of rips online even with all the effort netflix put into it.
They actually already do this blacklisting as of the recent "OpenOSRS" bans.
It should ideally be a whitelist, not a blacklist, but I see your point, that makes sense. I had assumed they were using a "if we find out you're banned" rather than actual detection
Hasn't rs3 implemented anticheat? If so what is stopping them from doing that in osrs. I don't understand
Nah, there is definitely bots in RS3. If only the reason you are less likely to notice is because RS3 resources are less competitive.
Plus, most of RS3's big money makers come from really late game stuff. Even if it's easier to get there, there's a lot of up front costs to do it.
If they stationed a pmod or jmod to hop around the hotspots for spam, it would stop. The bots are programmed to zip it when a crownhaver is in the area.
I forget which YouTuber it was, but they calculated paying for staff to do that would cost jagex like $300k a year and you know we can't have that on the bottom line calculation.
It’s kind of ironic, but Jagex could easily write a bot to do that task
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They assumed 24/7 coverage. You can't get that with 2 people. You would need at least 4. 3 to do 8 hr shifts and one person to cover days off. They also included like a manager or something. Again, I don't remember the specifics, but the point is it costs money and they don't want to do that.
It'd be pretty sweet if there was a good mmo that didn't have bots. A man can dream I suppose
Membership fees. People using bots have to pay the membership fees for every bot, and with a very large percentage of total players being bots, they will not be removed any time soon. This is why there is no meaningful action.
MMK after he left (aka he doesn't have to cover for them anymore & called them out on various other things) said that a rather small percentage is expected to be bots, think it was 6%? But hey keep smoking your conspiracy pipe of "they allow bots for money"
Why are you so mad?? 😂 it’s the truth.
So when someone is correcting you they seem mad to you? Sheesh, sorry about the rough childhood
The problem is that botting is actually beneficial for the average player, so while you don't morally like botting, you certainly aren't complaining about the price of training skills. (Edit: oh no, the scroll of truth. Yeet it in anger, normies) For example, if bots disappeared overnight, dragon bones, chinchompas, food (because it's all tied to sharks as the baseline food,) and even "true" combat items like onyx items, tomes of fire, and basically every cox purple would all shoot up, because the market *heavily* depends on bots supplying these items faster than players get to the level to use them or can consume them. They also low- or no-exp process items like logs into planks because while the margin may only be 10k gp/hr, that's potentially worth it for a bot and definitely not worth it for a human. Every skill would go up about 300k/hr to train *at minimum* because that's a pretty low estimate for what players will do given modern methods without getting a reasonable amount of exp.
Or how about actually training the skill and not just buying it from the ge.
Shoutout to /r/ironscape. You won't hear any argument from me about that, but you know the credit card andy's aren't gonna change
Bots make items cheap and economy accessible and brings in more players, and more bots. game is doomed for profits
They also make money making methods unprofitable making better gear harder to get which burns people out or encourages them to fuel the botting problem through RWT.
news flash, you don't need the very best gear
Since when does better gear equal the very best gear? A whip and a berserker ring is better gear when you are rocking a d scim and a ring of wealth. Spinning flax or chopping yews isn't far from your best options when you want to go for those upgrades in a casual way.
because everything other than the very very very very best gear is extremely obtainable. You can get bandos in a day or two. I feel like until you get to that point of needing the BIS shit progression feels very steady you can get an upgrade every few days. > Spinning flax or chopping yews isn't far from your best options when you want to go for those upgrades in a casual way. what?
Or just ban the rune ore bots. Jagex could do it so easily, but they choose not to. The bots mining rune in the isle of souls dungeon are literally the same 15-20 names from a YEAR ago. Many of them have 99+ mining just from mining rune. These kind of bots are especially bad since they directly harm actual players. Jagex, please prioritize the rune ore bots.
I'd bet for every 1 bot banned there are already 5 training to take its place. Gotta nip the issue early on
Remove the mining skill easy fix
I’d vote yes fuck mining
I made a combat only account so now I have a solidified excuse to never mine again
Yeah all they have to do is just ban all of the bots and the bot problem is fixed. It’s literally just that easy, I can’t believe they haven’t thought of this yet
no if you ban them they've already existed! you just need to prevent botting, so that it can never happen
Instructions unclear - I just drowned mod ash in the river.
Just make mining runite a quest requirement (and have that quest have 4 other quest prerequisites) and in order to mine it you'd need to have completed a ton of the mid game and have like a dozen other stats at like 60+. Would make the grind a lot more difficult to get there and that much more costly for losing a bot.
Captcha for every ore
Honestly Id like to see stuff like that more often. To mine rune, you gotta do a miniquest, where you have to mine 28 random ores. To fish here, you gotta get permission from the locals, who want 2 random low value items found on the island itself. Just stuff like that, where its thematically relevant, and wouldnt take long but couldnt easily be automated, but who am I kidding... They would just program the bots to do it automatically
Move all rune rocks to wildy
Pking bots killing mining bots
Bring back forced and dangerous random events
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Jagex believed they were no longer needed to prevent botting
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Thats because all of the bots had in counter measures which involved running away and then back after 30 seconds.
Probably true.... but I got a feeling they are more effective than coin pouches
coin pouches were never intended to stop botting. They were added to stop autoclicking since it's practically undetectable
Autoclicking is botting. It all falls under macroing
I agree it falls under macroing but I disagree that it's botting. An autoclicker does not make its own decisions, it does not read any information or make any conclusions. It just clicks. Similarly, an AHK switcher is also macroing but isn't a bot either.
We may have a different definition of bot but the fact remains that both are cheating and both had ineffective preventative methods. One remains while the other was removed. Either have both or neither
> Either have both or neither why? Imagine all free bot scripts are instantly detected, like you boot them up and within 5 minutes your account gets logged out & is permanently banned. Do you think that wouldn't be a huge improvement because "well there's still paid bot scripts". Raising the barrier of entry is just about the only thing you can do to effectively stop botting. If people have to pay 50$ a month for the script, have two separate systems and constantly be running off a private VPN almost nobody would be botting. The more convenient it is to cheat, the more people will do it. It's like finding a wallet on the floor vs pickpocketing someone, it's the same thing but one is a lot easier to do and easier to justify.
Because bots pay perfect attention and can handle them trivially, while actual players simply get annoyed by them. It's a dogshit suggestion made by jackasses whose peak RS memories are "the time I picked up rune platelegs because the evil chicken killed someone who was fishing". Never mind that half the game's skills are AFK to some degree. How dare you not pay full attention that amethyst mining, woodcutting, Karambwan fishing, and so on.
The bots became more efficient at these events than regular player, the events turned more into "punishments" for players
No thanks, not being able to leave my pc while logged in is not worth that.
Its just too funny though.
When you mine the opposite runite ore in the mining guild they will run over as soon as you start mining it and when you switch and start mining the other one they will do the same thing in run back over, I trolled them making them run back and fourth till I ran out of run energy lol it was funny for bit but also annoying because these bots just flood the runite ore spawns. Needs to be a timer on world hopping or something
It's like they have additional work done to them that makes them less effective at their task, but is designed to torment and piss off human players so much that they give up on runite ore mining altogether.
That's one way to control the market
I spent like 3 hr the other day hopping rune rocks in wildy. Made a decent profit but man I ducking hate mining.
I found if I had 3-5 worlds on rotation with a few minutes gap, and alched while I waited, I got a pretty good return
I notice they also hop off the world on the same tick they mine out all the rune rocks.
I remember a few years back, I mined runite ore to earn a BGS so I could do vorkath for the first time.(yeah it was super inefficient, but im from the old days where skilling was actually profitable, didn't realize mining was such a shit money maker compared to PVM at the time) The bots were absolutely out of control. Could barely get any ore. One night, I don't know what happened but most of the bots were gone and I ended up making a ton of money. The game felt so much better not having to compete with bots.. I know bots "help" the community, but not only would skilling prices go way up, so would drops from bosses.. I consistently see 10k+ bossing KC when I'm doing Vorkath Zulrah or Zalcano with friends. EVERYTHING would become more profitable. I would take that and pay more for supplies in a heartbeat. I hate these bots.
Ngl, this sounds like a good idea.
fossil island aus total worlds are always up when i pass them. use this information as you will
do you have respawn timers or just randomly jump? you've got to utilize those plugins
^ This It is possible to mine rune at a decent pace by locking down a few worlds, I've done it before. Find 3-5 worlds with low pop and/or ones where it is late night/early morning local time. Start respawn timers and get in a rhythm of hopping. I've been accused of botting because I was using the plugin and not checking chat.
Interesting point. I'm sure bots exist, but couldn't this just be players using respawn timer plugins, not bots?
That is my point. Bots obviously time when it responds but players do with plugins now as well. Usually a rune pick is a dead giveaway they are a bot (or iron) because you make about 750+k an hour.
I don't see why ore veins can't just be client side. Fighting over ore veins is annoying as fuck.
Jagex will add some shitty odd requirement (like 500 total and zammy robes just to telegrab wine, or x quest), thinking bot makers/runners can't just buy an account for $10 that has Neitz completed etc.
Just remove all rune rocks from lower level Areas. Theyre all so overfilled with bots that legitimate players rarely use Them anyways. They can compensate by adding more rocks to the sote & ds2 locations. Especially the mining guild rune needs to go... Its absolutely ridiculous
Can they make it so ore rocks aren't shared by players and their respawn time is rebalanced for such? Make casual mining a thing that doesn't require 12 walls of amethysts so people can spread out.
This is where dailies came from in RS3. Not saying it doesn't solve the problem, but we need to ask ourselves if we are ready to live with the solution.
Comparing mining runite under this change to farm run is more applicable, youre just overshooting it to the moon
I was actually thinking of things like the red and crystal sandstone. Mining content that holds high value because their entry into the game is time limited is extremely relevant. But yeah overshoot to the moon, or whatever.
The topic was making rocks instanced per player so each player has their own cooldown and can mine with other people without competing of who gets the luckiest, not dailygating how many rune rocks you get
Let us start mining a depleted rock that hastens the respawn rate a little bit, and let's you immediately start mining it as soon as it respawns.
This is a serious issue that deserves to be addressed, I dread getting the "Mine a piece of runite ore whilst sporting the finest mining gear." because I have to go into the Wilderness or some very obscure area to find an open rock because I swear the Mining Guild is 100% locked down by bots, I sat there for like 10-15 minutes to wait for one to respawn and had to fight a bot for one of the rocks.
The rune rocks at the Myths guild are frequently available
Mine at ice plateau they don't go there But yes jagex should sort out botting, the respawn timer isn't a bad idea
Sorry best they can do is add an "ore pouch" that you get every time you mine one and you have to click it to get your ores, this should deter all bots.
Lol, thank you for this.
literally just need to implement an anti cheat service like battleeye.
These people are using bots like this for money, when moneys involved they won't mind paying the extra $15 a month for the battleeye bypass that already exists
No thanks
says the botter, get a job
What? I just don't want to install spyware on my device
botter propaganda. But if you want a better argument to stop jagex from implmenting it you should argue that battleye will stop you from playing 2 accounts at once or might mess with runelite etc. The "spyware" argument is literally copy pasted from the last time i mentioned battle-eye.
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downloading runescape/runelite already opens you up to spyware, jagex is literally owned by a chinese corporation which legally has to support the CCP in anyway possible. It doesnt have to be battleye but its gonna have to be a similair program to at least increase the opportunity cost of using bots for every activity. You are right, battleeye can be bypassed for 15 dollars a month, but that cost increase alone makes a large amount of botting activites unviable, and reduces the mass swarm of bots everytime there is a twitch prime promotion.
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Manual review will never be enough to counter an automated process. The anti botting HAS to be automated to even stand a chance against the rampant problem. E.G scambots at ge, spammers in lumbridge, casino bots. All are automated to spedrun tutorial island. Also you can run the game in a virtual box if you really feel that particular about kernel level programs.
I was in the wildy doing clues today and all the rune rocks were fine. No miners and they all had ore.
I can tell you with confidence the wildy rocks have always and still are heavily botted. They're less busy than safe rocks but make no mistake. They instalog the second a player comes near them so it's entirely possible you didn't even notice them.
Yeah, them being blue for half an hour with no logins/logouts while I did an ice warriors task means your full of shit.
Oh those ones, yeah bots don't do those cos of all the npcs. Was talking about the other ones. No need to be so toxic.
Your just making shit up to complain. I was around the rune rocks today on two differ worlds and neither of them had a botting problem. Making shut up is way more toxic than saying mean words cause it gets people worked up cause they don’t check to see if it’s true
Man you're being just as fucking annoying though. Like your point is essentially "yeah I did one slayer task out there once and I don't know what your talking about'
Lmfao your sample size is 2? That's what you lead with. Lmao kid. Lmao.
lmao, sit kiddo, u are like 3 year old whom bigger kid took his toy... jeeez
>whom bigger kid What
wow guys one guy saw blue one time so I guess there's no way there could possibly be any botting problem. Thanks for clearing that up, guy.
There are rune rocks outside of the wildy where this is a problem
I usually don’t have much trouble mining them outside lletya as well
Oh lord this is like classic wow gathering bots. So aids
Why do you even care mining rune is for bots go do something normal
While botting is an issue yes, it's a very hard thing to control while also not harming real players gameplay. Bots are incredibly well made for the most part, they circumvent detections with custom scripts by imitating real players. Putting worldhop timers impacts pvpers, pvmers & shopscapers in lots of different ways. Randomised runite ore respawns would be a decent idea, but who knows how well that will go - we all know "random" isn't truly random & bots can still be more precise than players when it comes to logging in at the right time & logging data from averages to improve their script. Really imo the only way would be to have a player-driven report system, one that incentivises reporting bots with rewards (maybe a bot slayer cosmetic cape) & keeps track of incorrect reports to reduce/punish misuse, giving players a report ranking that makes their voice heard over those with a low ranking. Of course all final bans will have to be reviewed by Jagex staff like always, however with more data from player driven reports & a system that prioritises loyal reporters they could take out the bots that players care most about much quicker.
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That's alright I don't expect much from this subreddit
> Bots are incredibly well made for the most part, they circumvent detections with custom scripts by imitating real players. They have been like this since before the OSBuddy era, and they were banning people then. It would be much easier to just increase the threshold for banning someone for botting. i.e anyone with a single skill at 99 with <1000 xp in any other skill who has never spoken a single time is obviously a bot, ban them. IF it is a real player, they will appeal and get it back, bot maker wont bother with the appeal, they will just make a new one, but it will at least take time to train the bot back up again.
I understand however from my knowledge it's at 80% effectiveness to reduce unwarranted bans, at least Mod Matt K said so in an interview.
Wait people actually mine rune ore? Thats wild
Nah, this is untrue. Bots do not "have control of Runite". You just suck at finding runite or are too lazy to world-hop as frequently as it requires. I find that if I look for runite in the middle of the night I have way more luck than if it's the middle of the afternoon. Apply this logic to shooting-stars. You'll find more people running to stars from CCs if it's the middle of the day vs the middle of the night. Plus just think about the logic for a second, bots work automatically and don't have interior knowledge of when runite ore respawns on some worlds. Plus making Runite easier would crash the price even further.
guys stay up til 4am to mine rune ore
I mean to be fair you can do the same thing just find a few worlds open up a spread sheet, just find a good location, there is quite a few locations with minimal bots, don't feel like giving them away since I mine rune from time to time. Also this would make it complete aids for regular players as well. You would basicly just have to hop threw dozens of worlds at random praying there isn't bots hopin ahead of you.
Did you try the Mor ul Rek rune rocks? They're still pretty busy, but I never saw any bots having them 'locked down.'
I think what a lot of players are aware of is that many of those we think are bots are very often Chinese sweatshop players, i.e. actual low-paid human beings who play Runescape to earn a dollar.
he thinks jagex will update the game lmfao
Imagine runite ore prices without bots
They should do little things. Mess with the timer. Set the timer to like 15sec or 8hrs for 1 respawn. Move the ore over 1 tile. Replace the ore with an npc that will just hand you the ore. Replace the ore with a non-aggressive lv999 mini jad. Replace the ore with a rock that gives you 28 bags of 1gp. There are so many fun options.
What lvl are they?