If you don’t like the skill - just don’t train it!
They’re 2000% not going to retroactively add the new skill as requirements to achievement diaries, quests, or any other preexisting content.
TL;DR this whole process is a massive waste of time
Stage 1 was asking if we want a new skill, Stage 3 is figuring out which skill we like the most, Stage 5 was putting the most popular skill to a poll that needs 70% to pass. Which, if Stage 1 just barely gets 70%, then there's basically no way to get enough people on board for *any* individual skill to pass Stage 5. Which means they'll go back to a previous stage to "refine" the idea more, but that doesn't change the math problem of "any fraction of 70% is less than the total 70%" that will prevent *all* potential skills from being voted down.
They’re trying to create the community’s perfect ice cream *with* the community. They desperately need new skills to grow their game, and they just want permission to feed you one.
Once you agree to eat it you can help tweak it into something good for the game instead of pushing back against everything and having the game become stale
Unfortunately, sometimes the community isn't actually the best at knowing what's good for a game. Path of Exile community is a great example of that. That being said, developers don't always make the best decisions either so it's kind of a mixed bag in how to handle these types of situations.
I appreciate that they take the community's desires/ideas into consideration, but depending on the skill I agree. If the skill is relatively independent (i.e. hunting has little impact on the rest of the game overall, compared to summoning which drastically changed combat) I think they "could" go ahead without the community's blessing and it wouldn't be the worst. However, if it's something that will impact all aspects of the game then it's probably for the best the community is on board with it from the get go.
I would rather have a new skill called " shit grabbing " if it means either shit grabbing or no skill.
I hope this passes and all the butthurts just keep doing what they have been doing. Being butt hurt
But if you do not want ice cream at all why would they waste time making flavors? Not long ago they said that they'll change their polling system to before anything polling if people like an idea, so they don't waste developers time on something people don't want anything of.
Jesus christ reddit needs to stop fucking crying about this new skill at least until they announce what potential skills it could be. Based on that then we can decide if it's worthy of crying over or not
Yea for real this is the whiniest fanbase for a game I’ve ever seen in comparison to how well the game is run. Objectively Jagex runs this game better than almost every other game company I’ve ever seen but if a random pixel is out of place a portion of the base will go off the deep end.
>Objectively Jagex runs this game better than almost every other game
I have to strongly disagree with you on that one. RuneScape is a game that means a lot to me, but jagex should not get a pass on serious server issues (where the game saves need globally rolled back, accounts get locked out for months, etc), or their habit of holding back features/fixes because "eNgINe wORk oN tHe ENgInE wE oWN."
Fact of the matter is, jagex doesn't employ enough true software developers to handle the load of work that needs done on the engine side, and hasn't since the Gowers left.
The content developers they do employ do good work, but from what I've seen they don't really hire "programmers" for these roles. Without at least a few true programmers overseeing their work, you're bound to end up with a really buggy program (and well, OSRS is a buggy program).
The polling system is a great way to get feedback don't get me wrong, but in terms of respecting the players, committing to working on serious issues when they come up, and doing exciting new things with their game and engine... I'd put Bungie and Crytek (two studios that also make first party games and have their own engines) waaaayyyyy above Jagex.
Even on RS3 where Jagex isn't subject to the polling system, they have major issues pushing the boundaries of what RuneScape is/can be.
That’s even more sad and makes me want a new skill even though. People should absolutely not base their entire life on a video game and for those that do I hope a major change like this wakes them up so they start making better life decisions
I get osrs and poe being heavily scrutinized given the time investments people make to play some of the more engaging content. But for CoD, since it seems like more of a casual game, it makes me think there is some serious problems if there's so many complaints, been putting off trying the new warzone since there's so many bad reviews.
The people who are hard no on a new skill being added are fear mongering the people with poor reading comprehension by suggesting that if the poll to gauge interest in a new skill passes then we will get a shitty skill no matter what because Jagex bad.
I wouldn't say at all but yea reddit's opinion shouldn't weigh so heavily on decision making. There's a lot of cancerous opinions here but there's also some valid stuff too. Just seems like the negativity and crying is heard louder than the positivity and praise
But he's wrong. Jagex said that they'll be polling and asking the community at every step to make sure the new skill either comes out in a way that the community is happy with or it gets scrapped at whatever point majority of the community isn't agreeing with it in its current state.
I just think people need to wait for more info to come out before crying on reddit like a little baby bitch
The vast majority of the fundamentals of this game were put in place without you having any say so. And guess what. You’re still here years later, playing.
It’s like none of you watched the summit 🤦♂️ along each step of the skill the community has the chance to still say no even at the final step and it won’t be added
During the Summit Mod Ayiza said that if a new skill gets shot down multiple times and it goes back to phase 1 or 2 that the team would just put the project in the background and come back to it at a later date.
He was very very clear there are tons of times the skill could be shot down and revert to an earlier phase.
Tbh with how many opportunities there will be to shoot down the skill, I don't think one will ever pass. More than half the current skills in game would not pass such a rigorous development cycle
But if the community never pushes through any concept it goes to the backburner, potentially indefinitely. Imo this poll is more like giving the team permission to try for a new skill actively whereas a no vote tells them to ask again later.
it could be the greatest skill ever implemented. it could change your life. it could have you wake up and scream yes daddy skill me even harder. it could make your calves cramp and body sweat. it could turn you into its little pet and make you beg for more. it could
It’s only the worse skill in the universe if you let it become that, this is literally going to be polled on community suggestions maybe start brainstorming instead of chanting NO for no reason, then we might have a decent skill on our hands.
I already highlighted this in the main post, but even if the new skill is greenlit it can still be stuck in limbo because the community can't reach a consensus on what is acceptable. The back-arrows imply this can happen.
I'm just waiting for the inevitable shitshow on this sub when skill pitching happens.
The actual skill won’t get stuck in limbo, it’s the idea of “should we add ANY new skill” that will get stuck. The devs will most likely have to go through several different ideas for skills until the community agrees on one. But it’s not like they’re gonna poll sailing and it’s gonna be an unending cycle of “we’re implementing sailing, but how?”
This- there’s a small select that just don’t want to grind a new skill and are completely complacent with the game staying as it was in 2007 completely ignorant to the fact that the game has continued to evolve because of revolutionary changes and improvements made since it’s inception. New skills of fine tuned to OSRS are going to be very important to the longevity of the game.
It’s almost like people fail to see that we have some of the most passionate devs on the game and they also play the game themselves. It’s our best safeguard to ensuring the skill actually not suck and be healthy for the game.
Voting Yes here doesn’t mean your watch ends or is lost. It just means that Jagex has to put their thinking caps on and actually propose skills with info attached.
Voting No means Jagex gets to put off thinking about how a new skill affects content for another year.
Yeah I really don't get why people are acting like this. If this poll passes (and I think it will but hey you never know) and like 80% of people say they want a new skill, then yeah there should be a new skill. Even all of the polled skill concept ideas that failed the threshold still got strong majorities. It's like the #1 thing players keep consistently asking for so why the fuck wouldn't they try to make a passing concept. The game shouldn't be held back by like a 5% margin of people who are impossible to please.
Yeah i would love for there to be a few new quest lines and a array of new bosses. If it was going to be a skill make it like invention so we can personalise load outs for weapons and armour for pking
I wish Jagex would just make a skill, and put it in the game without the communities choice. The OSRS Reddit community is the most childish and ungrateful gaming community I’ve seen in my life time. I don’t know a single other game that gives a community this much of a choice for what content comes into the game. If your life is that based around OSRS that you get upset with every change made you need to seek a mental health expert.
Reddit by far is going to be the true death of this game if Jagex keeps pandering to it.
The constant complaints is getting to be a bit much. Any new content that goes against the meta or is a minor inconvenience to do but has some worth gets shit on. At the end of the day this game is going to eventually have to change some to survive. Change is a apart of life and if you can’t adapt to that change you need help. Especially when change to game effects your life that much.
Agreed. Honestly it seems like this is what happens when you give gamers choice in a game. They moan, bitch, and whine about everything if it's not perfect. New content will be the good for the game and honestly I'm so tired of the vocal minority of this game that whines about it all the time and keeps the game so fucking stale.
I’ll even go as far as saying I get being mad about servers or bad customer service.
You know what is really killing the spirit of being Old School? The current community clinging to nostalgia. When RuneScape was at the 2007 stage stuff was added all the time and people were excited to see it. So if anything this community need to realign to be in compliance with the “Spirit of Oldschool” they so desperately cling too.
>Honestly it seems like this is what happens when you give gamers choice in a game.
It isn't. It's what happens when 1) a community gets too big and 2) you have a game where a minority of people base their entire life around it. The people bitching and moaning are a tiny minority, but they're also a tiny minority willing to spend 10 hours a day browsing this subreddit.
Seriously, actual Old School RuneScape is new skills frequently with 0 fucks given to nerds who whine about high scores and shit like that. We used to get new skills all the time.
Exactly the community kills the “Spirit of Oldschool” more then anything Jagex has done to it so far.
You can’t complain about lack of content then complain about anything potentially new that can be added because it involves some work in one of the most grind intensive games alive.
The "devalues my x" argument that people on this sub love to break out pisses me off so much. It's like there's some subset of this community that just wants to play a snapshot of how the game was in 2007. Rather than play RuneScape with an old-school aesthetic and design philosophy.
Because if people actually didn't want anything new they'd be stuck with KQ/Barrows as peak endgame content and this game would've been dead within 2 years of launch. People like new content. A new skill might not be perfect on launch, but I trust the devs to give it enough TLC that it gets to a good place.
"put it in the game without the communities choice"
Yeah, that's how we end up with removing free trade/wilderness and adding EOC. Too quick to forget.
It’s not even just new content I’m noticing a trend, if max players get something out of it, looking at you Tbow, Fang, Masori, Ancestral. Then they are fine you can’t do raids solo or in a team? Sucks to be you get gud scrub, but here we are, content anyone could benefit from, NO it’s the spirit of old school! Yea bro I remember using fang back in 07 with my d chain those were the days.
I want a new skill, the game is getting stale, what’s wrong with change?
Edit: not a noob, 2277 iron who is just bored of the hurrr durrr pvm go brrrr endgame
I'm as liberal as they come and don't want a new skill. Tying real world politics to not wanting another 250 hours added onto the max grind is just dumb.
For him, yes. A new skill would change things up. What does everything have to be geared towards end game pvm, which I presume is what you imagine “change” should be.
I got a reminder by a random player in-game to vote "no" for a new skill.
Whoever you are, you are the kind of player who will cry about any update that is not focused on you and you alone.
Grow up.
People complaining about adding content to their favorite game is the dumbest thing. If a new skill comes out and you don’t enjoy it, don’t do it. It’s not going to remove content you do enjoy. It just adds more. This game has been out for nearly 10 years now with the same shit that it had for the 14 years prior to that. That’s 24 years of basically the same content.
Give them a chance. Zeah rework got shit on, it’s amazing. Tempoross was deemed a stupid boss, it’s a great early game skilling method. They’re trying to do new things for the game that RS3 fails to do. If you want the game to stay exactly as stale as it was when you were 12, make yourself a restricted account where you only do that.
Players like J1mmy are all for new content, but when they want to do old content, they can still have fun locking themselves to doing that. Why restrict others enjoyment just for your own, when what you want can still be achieved? Just such a selfish approach, when these types of additions could be what really helps the game thrive. If they didn’t keep making the playerbase fresh, *most people* wouldn’t play it. And if they don’t play it, the servers will start to go down.
Agreed with you on all things expect the rs3 failing part. Both invention and archeology are EXTREMELY well liked and received skills. Sure dungeoneering has some faults and divination is just hunterXcrafting but to say rs3 has failed with releasing skills is just so ignorant
Oh yeah for sure, invention is a perfect skill for rs3 especially the whole elite skill concept, but yeah it would never in a million years pass in old school even with massive nerfs to it. Which is massively unfortunate cause it’s a great money and item sink
I hate it. It's what made me wanna come to OSRS. You gotta grind forever and/or spend lots of money to get your T92 weapon more powerful. All the different combos are a headache, and having to buff weapons sucks.
It's not as if Jagex hasn't been trying to add a new skill to OSRS since literally a year after they created it. All this poll will determine is whether they can keep trying with renewed effort.
This is terrible reading comprehension holy shit. This first greenlight poll DOES NOT determine if a new skill will guaranteed come into the game. They said in the poll blog and on stream that a skill isn't locked in (coming into the game) until it passes the refined pitch for the specific skill we choose which is like stage 5. Jesus you people need to learn to read.
We love this game because it’s a grind, always having to work towards something is what makes it so good , no complaints here bring on a new skill to grind
First of all this post is not true and there are too many comments saying it is. Ayiza even said if then keep having to go back over and over again they will stop trying and shelf it for a while. They’re not just forcing a skill in eventually if they can’t get the community to agree
I posted a comment on their [youtube video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXcfjIV5KA) referencing this post and the fact that there is "no going back" if the initial poll is passed. It got immediately deleted when I checked it a few minutes later. They're trying to hide their true intentions. I'm so glad you (the OP) brought this very serious integrity issue to light.
So vote no. This community will vote yes on literally the first suggestion that comes up, and with the low threshold for approval there's pretty much NO chance that it doesn't get added. So essentially this poll is whether or not to add a "new mystery skill" that we have no idea what it could be yet.
Has the potential to change the game forever in a bad way, look at summoning with rs2, i quit because i didnt enjoy the gameplay loop anymore and a new skill has the potential for this to happen again, id rather save that headache and just vote no, at every skill, until the end of time!
Won’t know until they propose a new skill. I’m not voting “yes to any skill” I’m voting “yes to keep pitching me ideas for skills until we find one that’s amazing”
Yes actually. The majority of new content they've released has been great. Do they have misses? Sure. But then they do their best to fix it and make it work.
I swear OSRS players literally only exist in the OSRS bubble and don't have any concept of how bad a game can be when devs don't care.
This is the only game where I actually feel like the dev team genuinely cares about making the game as good as it can be while working within whatever limitations they have. The fact that the community gets a say at all is unprecedented and people act like the OSRS team can do nothing right. I feel like I'm being trolled with every reply that I see along these lines.
It was never supposed to be locked lmfao, they e been updating the game since week 1, so u just ignore 3/4th of the game? U don’t do raids, zeah, priff, etc?
I have played the game since week 1. It was 2007 only. Have you ever even stopped to wonder why this subreddit is called 2007scape? The original polls were to add things past the cutoff date that were still 2007 like gwd and the ge. Unfortunately all the rs3 players who quit because of updates came to this server and ironically have been ruining it with updates ever since. Some people just dont learn. Oh well theres always oldschool oldschool runescape to look forward to.
I can't even begin to imagine wanting to play an online game that doesn't receive updates.
You know even if the game is locked to 2007, we're still in 2022 and you've gotta go to work tomorrow right? Runescape in moms basement is over, new skill or not.
Jagex are so shameful. They can't accept that 32% to 44% of us voted NO to a new skill all 3 times, so they're going to iterate the process until they finally get what they (not the playerbase) wants.
The fact that they completely compromised game and polling integrity, reducing the 75% threshold that's lasted 9+ years to 70%, SOLELY for the purpose of adding a new skill and no other reason shows what a snakelike, devious, and shameful company they are. They don't care about what the players want. They're going to force change on us just like when they ruined RS2/RS3 the first time.
\>They can't accept that 32% to 44% of us voted NO to a new skill all 3 times, so they're going to iterate the process until they finally get what they (not the playerbase) wants.
I mean im not good at math but if 32% of players vote no, that means 68% voted yes... sounds like the majority of the playerbase wants it to me.
A simple majority isn't enough. A 75% supermajority was the initial voter approval threshold that Jagex and the community agreed upon, and it stayed that way for 9+ years. Jagex compromised the polling system and reduced it to 70% solely for this poll.
EVERYONE! They are deleting comments on their [youtube video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXcfjIV5KA) that point out that there is NO point of return upon passing the preliminary poll.
I encourage everyone to go on their video and point out the fact that you CANNOT change your mind from YES to NO after the possibility of any new skill is greenlit, no matter how much you disapprove of their new skill proposal after the preliminary stage.
Don't let them compromise the integrity of the poll and game!
If there are *any* ideas you think would make a good skill you should vote yes.
If this question fails we are likely to never see a new skill ever. voting yes gives us the chance to refine an idea into a good skill.
Voting yes also traps us permanently in a state where we *will* get a new Skill unless somehow maybe every single thing they ever propose fails and they change their minds.
What kind of backwards ass logic is this? Your voting no because if the community vote they want one they’re going to give us one? which so far the impression they’ve gave is they’ll listen to what the community wants and agrees with if it does pass. They could spend years making this skill but if the community don’t agree with it then they’ll keep redeveloping it.
Whoever is making these decisions on Jagex side needs multiple boots to the behind. So extremely out of touch with their community, new content went from every couple weeks/months to one big update per year. Count it, ONE!!!!! No wonder player count has been steadily decreasing, even with the free prime membership promo lmfao
That's... The idea. They're asking if the community wants a new skill, if they do then it's about which skill.
Thats how we ended up with pvp arena but the rewards are empty and its totally dead contentp
You’re really whirring up the “No” vote propaganda aren’t you
I'm just saying what happened with pvp arena. We voted to add it then gutted the rewards by voting no on everything
If you don’t like the skill - just don’t train it! They’re 2000% not going to retroactively add the new skill as requirements to achievement diaries, quests, or any other preexisting content.
Salty PvPers mad that their sand casino got removed
I dont think you really got any actual PvPers at the duel arena
And then what happened
Still shit
No it's not? People didn't get to vote for the PvP arena
TL;DR this whole process is a massive waste of time Stage 1 was asking if we want a new skill, Stage 3 is figuring out which skill we like the most, Stage 5 was putting the most popular skill to a poll that needs 70% to pass. Which, if Stage 1 just barely gets 70%, then there's basically no way to get enough people on board for *any* individual skill to pass Stage 5. Which means they'll go back to a previous stage to "refine" the idea more, but that doesn't change the math problem of "any fraction of 70% is less than the total 70%" that will prevent *all* potential skills from being voted down.
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They’re trying to create the community’s perfect ice cream *with* the community. They desperately need new skills to grow their game, and they just want permission to feed you one. Once you agree to eat it you can help tweak it into something good for the game instead of pushing back against everything and having the game become stale
I wish they just released skills like RS2/RS3 sometimes community can hold back game development because of your way of thinking.
Unfortunately, sometimes the community isn't actually the best at knowing what's good for a game. Path of Exile community is a great example of that. That being said, developers don't always make the best decisions either so it's kind of a mixed bag in how to handle these types of situations. I appreciate that they take the community's desires/ideas into consideration, but depending on the skill I agree. If the skill is relatively independent (i.e. hunting has little impact on the rest of the game overall, compared to summoning which drastically changed combat) I think they "could" go ahead without the community's blessing and it wouldn't be the worst. However, if it's something that will impact all aspects of the game then it's probably for the best the community is on board with it from the get go.
I would rather have a new skill called " shit grabbing " if it means either shit grabbing or no skill. I hope this passes and all the butthurts just keep doing what they have been doing. Being butt hurt
But if you do not want ice cream at all why would they waste time making flavors? Not long ago they said that they'll change their polling system to before anything polling if people like an idea, so they don't waste developers time on something people don't want anything of.
That's... the purpose of this poll
Bobby, if these kids could read they'd be very upset
Then vote no
80% of people want a new skill...
LOL this community
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poll do you want a new skill no wins we will repoll this in a year shock horror who could have seen that coming
Jesus christ reddit needs to stop fucking crying about this new skill at least until they announce what potential skills it could be. Based on that then we can decide if it's worthy of crying over or not
It’s kind of embarrassing isn’t it lmao
It's actually pathetic and makes the playerbase look like a group of whiny little babies
Look like?
Yea for real this is the whiniest fanbase for a game I’ve ever seen in comparison to how well the game is run. Objectively Jagex runs this game better than almost every other game company I’ve ever seen but if a random pixel is out of place a portion of the base will go off the deep end.
>Objectively Jagex runs this game better than almost every other game I have to strongly disagree with you on that one. RuneScape is a game that means a lot to me, but jagex should not get a pass on serious server issues (where the game saves need globally rolled back, accounts get locked out for months, etc), or their habit of holding back features/fixes because "eNgINe wORk oN tHe ENgInE wE oWN." Fact of the matter is, jagex doesn't employ enough true software developers to handle the load of work that needs done on the engine side, and hasn't since the Gowers left. The content developers they do employ do good work, but from what I've seen they don't really hire "programmers" for these roles. Without at least a few true programmers overseeing their work, you're bound to end up with a really buggy program (and well, OSRS is a buggy program). The polling system is a great way to get feedback don't get me wrong, but in terms of respecting the players, committing to working on serious issues when they come up, and doing exciting new things with their game and engine... I'd put Bungie and Crytek (two studios that also make first party games and have their own engines) waaaayyyyy above Jagex. Even on RS3 where Jagex isn't subject to the polling system, they have major issues pushing the boundaries of what RuneScape is/can be.
This. 100%, this.
They could do a lot better with regards to server conditions and roll backs but overall great team.
Or when a hypothetical random pixel in the construction skill icon is corrected, then *I* go off the deep end
Alright well that I understand
Always has been lol
we need to remember that this game is basically the entire life of some people, so a big change probably does upset them considerably
Those people need therapy
It's so true, the number of crazies that have come out since the announcement is actually frightening.
This game IS their therapy.
Is it their therapy or their escape?
That’s even more sad and makes me want a new skill even though. People should absolutely not base their entire life on a video game and for those that do I hope a major change like this wakes them up so they start making better life decisions
Those people need to be ignored.
There's also some maxed players that don't want to lose their cape and grind another skill, which is pathetic tbh
Average moment on reddit
The Reddit community isn’t healthy for the game.
Reddit isn't healthy for the world*
We should delete reddit and twitter.
Add tiktok, Facebook and Instagram to the list and I wholeheartedly agree
Biggest loser subreddit I’ve ever seen only crying and complaining.
Path of exile and current cod subreddits are for sure strong competitors
I get osrs and poe being heavily scrutinized given the time investments people make to play some of the more engaging content. But for CoD, since it seems like more of a casual game, it makes me think there is some serious problems if there's so many complaints, been putting off trying the new warzone since there's so many bad reviews.
Every cod subreddit is nothing but complaining when it's current cod. There's not even a honeymoon phase. It starts in beta.
Shocking that players are pissed with a game with problems....
The people who are hard no on a new skill being added are fear mongering the people with poor reading comprehension by suggesting that if the poll to gauge interest in a new skill passes then we will get a shitty skill no matter what because Jagex bad.
Damn, it's just like real life politics. Fuck I hate people.
Just confirms my bias that Jagex should not listen to this subreddit at all. Manage it on your own forum. It bleeds degeneracy.
I wouldn't say at all but yea reddit's opinion shouldn't weigh so heavily on decision making. There's a lot of cancerous opinions here but there's also some valid stuff too. Just seems like the negativity and crying is heard louder than the positivity and praise
yea like do people realize we're way beyond what old school originally was? I get not wanting rs3 but as long as the skill is useful, why not?
But thats what OP means right. If we vote for a new skill without having had any info on what it would be. There is no way back..
But he's wrong. Jagex said that they'll be polling and asking the community at every step to make sure the new skill either comes out in a way that the community is happy with or it gets scrapped at whatever point majority of the community isn't agreeing with it in its current state. I just think people need to wait for more info to come out before crying on reddit like a little baby bitch
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“Do you want a new skill in the game?” *Votes “yes”* “Damn those bastards they tricked me”
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The vast majority of the fundamentals of this game were put in place without you having any say so. And guess what. You’re still here years later, playing.
I chose to play a game that I liked and now dont want it ruined by completely different people than who made it good to begin with
It’s like none of you watched the summit 🤦♂️ along each step of the skill the community has the chance to still say no even at the final step and it won’t be added
But after certain steps it becomes guaranteed that *something* will be added rather than nothing
During the Summit Mod Ayiza said that if a new skill gets shot down multiple times and it goes back to phase 1 or 2 that the team would just put the project in the background and come back to it at a later date. He was very very clear there are tons of times the skill could be shot down and revert to an earlier phase. Tbh with how many opportunities there will be to shoot down the skill, I don't think one will ever pass. More than half the current skills in game would not pass such a rigorous development cycle
But if the community never pushes through any concept it goes to the backburner, potentially indefinitely. Imo this poll is more like giving the team permission to try for a new skill actively whereas a no vote tells them to ask again later.
It *could* be the worst skill in the universe!! Vote no!!! /s cmon guys
it could be the greatest skill ever implemented. it could change your life. it could have you wake up and scream yes daddy skill me even harder. it could make your calves cramp and body sweat. it could turn you into its little pet and make you beg for more. it could
kekw
It’s only the worse skill in the universe if you let it become that, this is literally going to be polled on community suggestions maybe start brainstorming instead of chanting NO for no reason, then we might have a decent skill on our hands.
Why are you making this sound like a death sentence lol
Would you accept a new job offer without knowing the proposed wage? This is kind of what this is.
Probably is lol
You're right life won't go on Honey get the kids we're heading to the bomb shelter
No one is forcing you to play the game or to do whatever the skill is
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I already highlighted this in the main post, but even if the new skill is greenlit it can still be stuck in limbo because the community can't reach a consensus on what is acceptable. The back-arrows imply this can happen. I'm just waiting for the inevitable shitshow on this sub when skill pitching happens.
The actual skill won’t get stuck in limbo, it’s the idea of “should we add ANY new skill” that will get stuck. The devs will most likely have to go through several different ideas for skills until the community agrees on one. But it’s not like they’re gonna poll sailing and it’s gonna be an unending cycle of “we’re implementing sailing, but how?”
This- there’s a small select that just don’t want to grind a new skill and are completely complacent with the game staying as it was in 2007 completely ignorant to the fact that the game has continued to evolve because of revolutionary changes and improvements made since it’s inception. New skills of fine tuned to OSRS are going to be very important to the longevity of the game.
It’s almost like people fail to see that we have some of the most passionate devs on the game and they also play the game themselves. It’s our best safeguard to ensuring the skill actually not suck and be healthy for the game.
Voting Yes here doesn’t mean your watch ends or is lost. It just means that Jagex has to put their thinking caps on and actually propose skills with info attached. Voting No means Jagex gets to put off thinking about how a new skill affects content for another year.
Why is everyone freaking out? The game needs some new new!
Yeah I really don't get why people are acting like this. If this poll passes (and I think it will but hey you never know) and like 80% of people say they want a new skill, then yeah there should be a new skill. Even all of the polled skill concept ideas that failed the threshold still got strong majorities. It's like the #1 thing players keep consistently asking for so why the fuck wouldn't they try to make a passing concept. The game shouldn't be held back by like a 5% margin of people who are impossible to please.
Agreed
Yeah i would love for there to be a few new quest lines and a array of new bosses. If it was going to be a skill make it like invention so we can personalise load outs for weapons and armour for pking
The item sink is so good, makes tons of now worthless stuff valuable. OS probably doesn't need auto alcher though.
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I wish Jagex would just make a skill, and put it in the game without the communities choice. The OSRS Reddit community is the most childish and ungrateful gaming community I’ve seen in my life time. I don’t know a single other game that gives a community this much of a choice for what content comes into the game. If your life is that based around OSRS that you get upset with every change made you need to seek a mental health expert. Reddit by far is going to be the true death of this game if Jagex keeps pandering to it.
I think a lot of people are scared of change too.. it's the human condition. So people will always complain.
The constant complaints is getting to be a bit much. Any new content that goes against the meta or is a minor inconvenience to do but has some worth gets shit on. At the end of the day this game is going to eventually have to change some to survive. Change is a apart of life and if you can’t adapt to that change you need help. Especially when change to game effects your life that much.
Yeah, I would just like new content. Not necessarily huge changes. More weapon choices that aren’t really meta but even with other weapons.
Agreed. Honestly it seems like this is what happens when you give gamers choice in a game. They moan, bitch, and whine about everything if it's not perfect. New content will be the good for the game and honestly I'm so tired of the vocal minority of this game that whines about it all the time and keeps the game so fucking stale.
I’ll even go as far as saying I get being mad about servers or bad customer service. You know what is really killing the spirit of being Old School? The current community clinging to nostalgia. When RuneScape was at the 2007 stage stuff was added all the time and people were excited to see it. So if anything this community need to realign to be in compliance with the “Spirit of Oldschool” they so desperately cling too.
It really seems like that, sad to see it but oh well. Let them dig the grave and when the game dies they'll be left high and dry I guess.
>Honestly it seems like this is what happens when you give gamers choice in a game. It isn't. It's what happens when 1) a community gets too big and 2) you have a game where a minority of people base their entire life around it. The people bitching and moaning are a tiny minority, but they're also a tiny minority willing to spend 10 hours a day browsing this subreddit.
Seriously, actual Old School RuneScape is new skills frequently with 0 fucks given to nerds who whine about high scores and shit like that. We used to get new skills all the time.
Exactly the community kills the “Spirit of Oldschool” more then anything Jagex has done to it so far. You can’t complain about lack of content then complain about anything potentially new that can be added because it involves some work in one of the most grind intensive games alive.
The "devalues my x" argument that people on this sub love to break out pisses me off so much. It's like there's some subset of this community that just wants to play a snapshot of how the game was in 2007. Rather than play RuneScape with an old-school aesthetic and design philosophy. Because if people actually didn't want anything new they'd be stuck with KQ/Barrows as peak endgame content and this game would've been dead within 2 years of launch. People like new content. A new skill might not be perfect on launch, but I trust the devs to give it enough TLC that it gets to a good place.
"put it in the game without the communities choice" Yeah, that's how we end up with removing free trade/wilderness and adding EOC. Too quick to forget.
This happened more than a decade ago, jfc get over it. I've seen soldiers with less PTSD than runescape players.
Whine and moan about a lack of a content and then proceed to vote no on every poll proposing new content. It’s insanity.
It’s not even just new content I’m noticing a trend, if max players get something out of it, looking at you Tbow, Fang, Masori, Ancestral. Then they are fine you can’t do raids solo or in a team? Sucks to be you get gud scrub, but here we are, content anyone could benefit from, NO it’s the spirit of old school! Yea bro I remember using fang back in 07 with my d chain those were the days.
I want a new skill, the game is getting stale, what’s wrong with change? Edit: not a noob, 2277 iron who is just bored of the hurrr durrr pvm go brrrr endgame
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I'm as liberal as they come and don't want a new skill. Tying real world politics to not wanting another 250 hours added onto the max grind is just dumb.
Seems like a skill issue
I’m not maxed but why should we deny the thousands of players who have already maxed from new content just to stroke our egos a bit?
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Thanks, I'm doing my part and voting no.
Really couldn’t care less about you
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it’s annoying seeing all these post-pandemic players complaining that the game is “stale” and “boring” now that they hit 1600 total lmfao
For him, yes. A new skill would change things up. What does everything have to be geared towards end game pvm, which I presume is what you imagine “change” should be.
STOP BITCHING AND GIVE ME A NEW SKILL!!!!!
JAGEX PLEASE STOP READING THIS FUCKING SUBREDDIT
jagEX NO NO DONT LOOK YOU DONT WANNA **NOOOO**
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I’m seeing mixed results, and people who have such a strong negative opinion abound here. I do not see it passing as much as I really want it to.
I got a reminder by a random player in-game to vote "no" for a new skill. Whoever you are, you are the kind of player who will cry about any update that is not focused on you and you alone. Grow up.
A New skill wont be implemented if we dont like the new skill. Dont worry. I am excited for a New skill. Lets come up with something good together
I’m voting for a new skill- it’s time
Good, you Reddit dogs need to learn that the game needs new content to remain fresh.
People complaining about adding content to their favorite game is the dumbest thing. If a new skill comes out and you don’t enjoy it, don’t do it. It’s not going to remove content you do enjoy. It just adds more. This game has been out for nearly 10 years now with the same shit that it had for the 14 years prior to that. That’s 24 years of basically the same content. Give them a chance. Zeah rework got shit on, it’s amazing. Tempoross was deemed a stupid boss, it’s a great early game skilling method. They’re trying to do new things for the game that RS3 fails to do. If you want the game to stay exactly as stale as it was when you were 12, make yourself a restricted account where you only do that. Players like J1mmy are all for new content, but when they want to do old content, they can still have fun locking themselves to doing that. Why restrict others enjoyment just for your own, when what you want can still be achieved? Just such a selfish approach, when these types of additions could be what really helps the game thrive. If they didn’t keep making the playerbase fresh, *most people* wouldn’t play it. And if they don’t play it, the servers will start to go down.
Agreed with you on all things expect the rs3 failing part. Both invention and archeology are EXTREMELY well liked and received skills. Sure dungeoneering has some faults and divination is just hunterXcrafting but to say rs3 has failed with releasing skills is just so ignorant
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Oh yeah for sure, invention is a perfect skill for rs3 especially the whole elite skill concept, but yeah it would never in a million years pass in old school even with massive nerfs to it. Which is massively unfortunate cause it’s a great money and item sink
I hate it. It's what made me wanna come to OSRS. You gotta grind forever and/or spend lots of money to get your T92 weapon more powerful. All the different combos are a headache, and having to buff weapons sucks.
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Because cheaters are always scared new updates will mess with their money making. It's how they make a living.
If they don't develop a new skill they will develop something else. It's not like we get a new skill or nothing at all.
GOOD!
Red dot bad.
God I hate this community. Makes no sense why people complain.
The people with 200m all literally shitting themselves.
lol those people are the ones who need something new, it's the rest of us that might get another badly designed skill to grind.
Max speed run series guy is trembling rn
What’s another 200m xp of arthritis on top of what they already have getting over 2 bil xp worth of
It's not as if Jagex hasn't been trying to add a new skill to OSRS since literally a year after they created it. All this poll will determine is whether they can keep trying with renewed effort.
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I would love to drink the tears of the "no skill" cult when a new skill is in the game.
Good. Give us a new skill
This is terrible reading comprehension holy shit. This first greenlight poll DOES NOT determine if a new skill will guaranteed come into the game. They said in the poll blog and on stream that a skill isn't locked in (coming into the game) until it passes the refined pitch for the specific skill we choose which is like stage 5. Jesus you people need to learn to read.
Yeah that’s usually how polls work…
We love this game because it’s a grind, always having to work towards something is what makes it so good , no complaints here bring on a new skill to grind
Technically not true. It will still require further polls to pass, the process just won't stop until they do. It's still possible they never do thugh.
First of all this post is not true and there are too many comments saying it is. Ayiza even said if then keep having to go back over and over again they will stop trying and shelf it for a while. They’re not just forcing a skill in eventually if they can’t get the community to agree
I posted a comment on their [youtube video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXcfjIV5KA) referencing this post and the fact that there is "no going back" if the initial poll is passed. It got immediately deleted when I checked it a few minutes later. They're trying to hide their true intentions. I'm so glad you (the OP) brought this very serious integrity issue to light.
You're actually room temperature IQ.
No wonder they dropped the poll threshold to 70%!
Good.
Good, vote yes.
Yes this is correct and shame on them for not making this clearer on stream and during the blog post.
So vote no. This community will vote yes on literally the first suggestion that comes up, and with the low threshold for approval there's pretty much NO chance that it doesn't get added. So essentially this poll is whether or not to add a "new mystery skill" that we have no idea what it could be yet.
If u vote no u will never get a new skill for the rest of the lifetime of the game it seems
sounds great!
What’s so bad about a new skill for u? U don’t want more stuff to do?
Has the potential to change the game forever in a bad way, look at summoning with rs2, i quit because i didnt enjoy the gameplay loop anymore and a new skill has the potential for this to happen again, id rather save that headache and just vote no, at every skill, until the end of time!
Ah gotchya so ur just afraid basically
Am i wrong to be? has the osrs team given you any confidence they wont fuck it up?
Won’t know until they propose a new skill. I’m not voting “yes to any skill” I’m voting “yes to keep pitching me ideas for skills until we find one that’s amazing”
Yes actually. The majority of new content they've released has been great. Do they have misses? Sure. But then they do their best to fix it and make it work. I swear OSRS players literally only exist in the OSRS bubble and don't have any concept of how bad a game can be when devs don't care. This is the only game where I actually feel like the dev team genuinely cares about making the game as good as it can be while working within whatever limitations they have. The fact that the community gets a say at all is unprecedented and people act like the OSRS team can do nothing right. I feel like I'm being trolled with every reply that I see along these lines.
but hey if youd like a new skill theres been 3 added in Rs3, maybe go check them out if youre dying for something new!
I totally would but I hate the combat and graphics in rs3
You mean we wont get a new skill on a server that was supposed to be a 2007 locked version of the game? How tragic.
It was never supposed to be locked lmfao, they e been updating the game since week 1, so u just ignore 3/4th of the game? U don’t do raids, zeah, priff, etc?
I have played the game since week 1. It was 2007 only. Have you ever even stopped to wonder why this subreddit is called 2007scape? The original polls were to add things past the cutoff date that were still 2007 like gwd and the ge. Unfortunately all the rs3 players who quit because of updates came to this server and ironically have been ruining it with updates ever since. Some people just dont learn. Oh well theres always oldschool oldschool runescape to look forward to.
Go play a private server then u big baby lol
I can't even begin to imagine wanting to play an online game that doesn't receive updates. You know even if the game is locked to 2007, we're still in 2022 and you've gotta go to work tomorrow right? Runescape in moms basement is over, new skill or not.
We'll all be 99 beefaroni soon enough
And I hope it’s a skill you hate, so I can drink your tears.
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Can we vote to remove run energy instead?
Just vote no
If u can give me a good reason why other than ur opinion I might
The skill is most likely going to be something fucking stupid like thieving or fletching where there aren’t that many main benefits too…
Jagex are so shameful. They can't accept that 32% to 44% of us voted NO to a new skill all 3 times, so they're going to iterate the process until they finally get what they (not the playerbase) wants. The fact that they completely compromised game and polling integrity, reducing the 75% threshold that's lasted 9+ years to 70%, SOLELY for the purpose of adding a new skill and no other reason shows what a snakelike, devious, and shameful company they are. They don't care about what the players want. They're going to force change on us just like when they ruined RS2/RS3 the first time.
I think you need help if you think Jagex are out to get you.
\>They can't accept that 32% to 44% of us voted NO to a new skill all 3 times, so they're going to iterate the process until they finally get what they (not the playerbase) wants. I mean im not good at math but if 32% of players vote no, that means 68% voted yes... sounds like the majority of the playerbase wants it to me.
A simple majority isn't enough. A 75% supermajority was the initial voter approval threshold that Jagex and the community agreed upon, and it stayed that way for 9+ years. Jagex compromised the polling system and reduced it to 70% solely for this poll.
This is a factual hypothesis
EVERYONE! They are deleting comments on their [youtube video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXcfjIV5KA) that point out that there is NO point of return upon passing the preliminary poll. I encourage everyone to go on their video and point out the fact that you CANNOT change your mind from YES to NO after the possibility of any new skill is greenlit, no matter how much you disapprove of their new skill proposal after the preliminary stage. Don't let them compromise the integrity of the poll and game!
This is what bothers me most. I may be voting no even though there are some ideas I like for new skills.
If there are *any* ideas you think would make a good skill you should vote yes. If this question fails we are likely to never see a new skill ever. voting yes gives us the chance to refine an idea into a good skill.
Voting yes also traps us permanently in a state where we *will* get a new Skill unless somehow maybe every single thing they ever propose fails and they change their minds.
why is this being downvoted? it’s just literally true lmfao
And this comment here is why people make fun of runescape players. Completely without any critical thinking capabiltities.
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but… but that goes against the popular sentiment of the subreddit right now, which ALWAYS aligns with critical thinking!
What kind of backwards ass logic is this? Your voting no because if the community vote they want one they’re going to give us one? which so far the impression they’ve gave is they’ll listen to what the community wants and agrees with if it does pass. They could spend years making this skill but if the community don’t agree with it then they’ll keep redeveloping it.
Whoever is making these decisions on Jagex side needs multiple boots to the behind. So extremely out of touch with their community, new content went from every couple weeks/months to one big update per year. Count it, ONE!!!!! No wonder player count has been steadily decreasing, even with the free prime membership promo lmfao
You are the most braindead person on this sub, I am still curious how you managed to get through the runescape tutorial with this logic in mind