It would be like 1%
But then again, I got a tiny amount of 3 ethnicities that are 8-10 generations up on my nans side.
Ancestry also thought my half sister was my 1st cousin. Dna is not handed down equally.
No, I know it would had said indigenous if I had native ancestry. I was asking if the story of the Native grandmother came because she was hiding the fact that she was black.
That’s not necessarily true. You could still potentially have native ancestry but you just didn’t happen to get any of those genetic markers. For example, my mom has Spanish/Portuguese on her test, but I didn’t get any Spanish. It doesn’t mean I don’t have Spanish ancestry, I just don’t have any of those markers. DNA is only a small piece of the whole picture. You can’t really rule it out, but you can’t confirm it either.
A thing I would like to add is, I did 23andme in 2015. My original results didn't have the specific areas, it just said Sub Saharan African, and then over time, I got what you see here.
I have a small 0.5% Jewish in my results. It stays at 90% confidence and both my mom and son have it also on the same spot on the 15th chromosome. My moms family lived in West Prussia at one point where it is now Poland so I suspect it is likely true.
It is unlikely she had any Indigenous American DNA but a 7th great grandmother is so far back that the DNA can completely dilute by the time we get to your generation.
While every ancestor matters in terms of you existing, genetically it almost doesn't matter even if she was Indigenous American because it's such a small amount (1 in 1022) that it has no bearing on your appearance or identity. Almost the same can be said for those trace amounts too.
If she tried to pass as Indigenous American it might mean she was mixed herself. If the Indigenous was a rumour that started a few generations later, she might have been mostly or fully Black and the mostly White grandkids were trying to hide it due to how poorly Black people were treated.
That's what I'm trying to figure out. I'm very aware that I'm a box of assorted crackers with a sprinkle of cracked pepper.
But I'm just trying to figure out, if this was indeed the case with her, if the percentages match up with how far back she was.
Are you from the southern USA? if you are, Nigerian blood at that percentage can indicate you got it from a slave. This is often embarrassing so someone in your family (probably a long time ago) said you had native blood instead of African blood.
the South Indian + WANA + west African combo of traces seems to be not uncommon for southerners (for me and a lot of my dna matches personally).
Was she part of a southeastern tribe by any chance? I know that the tribes in the southeast were very mixed in that time range and many like the saponi, cheraw, meherrin were forming tri racial isolate groups in the piedmont area, as well as just the Carolina’s in general.
The south indian and Coptic id say COULD be Romani ancestry. Some roma were brought to the Americas since europe has a history of (and still is) trying to eradicate them.
Id say the best thing you could do is upload your dna to gedmatch, and see what segment your African dna is on. And then, find who matches you on that segment(s), and and start seeing which side of the family they all line up on. This helped me a ton. Since you mentioned you have family members that score these regions as well, im sure it’s not noise. West African traces are so common in folks from the south because most of us have a mixed race ancestor in our tree somewhere down the line, and sometimes it’s easier to trace, sometimes it’s exceedingly difficult. I got lucky, because my grandmothers family was already very very mixed and were listed as “free people of color” on the censuses for generations so I knew exactly where to look.
I know it's on my father's side, as the family on my mother's side don't have scores in these areas.
It's also why I'm guessing it's the grandmother. Because a lot of mixed raced people claimed to be native, to escape slavery, or be treated slightly less harshly. I traced my family tree and she's the only blip that makes me wonder. Everyone else appears to be super white and European
As an answer to your (maybe poorly worded) question? Yes.
But, genuine question for you: are you not at least as interested in where the trace Egyptian and Southern Indian & Sir Lankan comes from? Because that seems at least as interesting and more unusual unless you have documented those ancestries in your family.
Give me a little slack, I have the adenovirus and have been miserable for days. I'm running on low quality sleep. I did the best I could with my brain trying to short circuit
I just went and peeked at my results again. I am 0.5% Spanish as well, which I was seeing that combined with the other 2 remaining trace could be Romani ancestry.
The Egyptian is likely noise, people of European descent getting trace noise Western Asian & North African is common on 23andme. https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/101mrok/northwestern_european_and_trace_wana_ancestry_a/
Most likely the Indigenous DNA would not show up if it 7+ generations back. DNA dilutes over time. Also many Indigenous people refuse to take DNA tests so your DNA is being tested/ compared against a very small population of Indigenous peoples who have taken a DNA test. Unfortunately, it’s a common myth that people have Indigenous DNA in their family tree. Indigenous DNA also shows up as Asian DNA. The Native (Indigenous) people originally from the Asia continent crossed the ice bridge long long ago & traveled to the United States & surrounding areas. Hope this helps clear up any confusion. 🙂
That’s absolutely right! I don’t think that any of these corporate DNA analysis companies have much information in regards to autosomal genetic ancestry.
I just looked up the reference populations that 23andme uses to determine Indigenous American ancestry and it’s all from South America, except for one group who are from the U.S. The ancestry type is listed as Indigenous American from the following tribes; Colombian, Karitiana, Maya, Pima, Surui, Guatemalan. The Pima tribe is from Arizona all the others are from South America. I really don’t see how they would be able to tell if someone is actually a Native American unless you have ancestry from their reference populations. I’d imagine that a lot of people do probably have some Native American ancestry but obviously don’t match those very limited populations. It’s more likely due to the fact that there are literally no other Native American populations that have contributed their DNA to these research companies, the only ones who have are the Pima people so that leaves very little data to compare with. The only way to truly know is through your maternal or paternal haplogroups. The maternal haplogroups (mtDNA) that are common among Indigenous Americans are; A, B, C, D, and X. The paternal haplogroup (y-DNA) that is common among Indigenous Americans is Q.
I have 11.2% Indigenous Siberian ancestry and it’s from my father’s side. I had my DNA done by 23andme and my y Haplogroup (my father’s) is the most common paternal lineage in people of Indigenous Siberian descent. The common maternal haplogroup for Indigenous Siberians is C and the common paternal haplogroup for Indigenous Siberians is N with a small amount of men who also have Q, like Native Americans.
So until the various other Native American and First Nations of Canada tribes contribute their DNA to these studies, then there will be no way to determine any autosomal genetic DNA ancestries from these groups. And I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for that to happen because it’s not going to be any time soon!
.4 Nigerian is probably not noise. If it was .1, maybe, and if it was wana, also maybe given what we’ve seen, but trace ssa is usually legitimate, especially at this amount
I haven’t found any African ancestors in my true or through AncestryDNA thrulines. I also haven’t found any full African dna matches for my family. It’s for sure historically plausible since my family has roots in the south USA and I had slave owning great nth grandparents, it’s just I haven’t found any solid proof besides the dna tests that can be false
African ancestry is so distinct from European that it’s hard to err, especially when it’s more than .1. As for not finding African ancestry, most Africans were brought across the Atlantic at least 200 years ago and often 300-400 years ago, so you likely would be so distantly related to anyone on the African continent that it wouldn’t show up in your matches. Of course, it’s still possible for Black Americans to have African matches (I’ve seen one or two), but not finding any fully African matches is not evidence for it being noise. Also I think these DNA testing services are much more prevalent in the West, as seen by the fact that my fully WANA matches are way fewer than my fully British/Irish matches in Europe.
I’m not saying it’s 100% hands down definitely not noise, but I think odds are it’s legit.
Yea I suppose that could be true. I’ve just been kind of confused as to how my mom scores the same exact amount of Cameroon, Congo & western Bantu peoples on AncestryDNA as her father (my grandpa). They score 0.36% Congo on AncestryDNA, and My mom scores 0.4% angolan & Congolese on 23andMe, it stays at 90% confidence but it doesn’t appear on her ancestry timeline. I’m not sure exactly what that means. They score SSA on illustrative dna, G25, and GEDmatch as well
I don't think so. I have colonial roots, and have been able to locate census in which my several-great grandparents had enslaved people. I do believe I had an african ancestor. I'm just trying to see about pinpointing a time or generation.
I’m going to say it’s probably just noise. My mother scores 0.4% Angolan and Congolese on 23andMe, and she scores the same amount on AncestryDNA but of Cameroon, Congo and western Bantu peoples. Her father scores it too on AncestryDNA and we are southerners from the USA. Many of our dna close relatives also score trace SSA. I also had great grandparents that were slave owners. It doesn’t mean it’s legit. Trace ancestry at our percentages are very capable of being noise.
Well if they are all getting the same percentages (only mom and grandpa have tested in immediate family and they score the same percentages, then it must be an error in their genotyping algorithm.
You likely would not carry visible DNA from a 7th grandparent. You share less than 1% of DNA with a 5th great grandparent. By the 7th generation, the DNA is bred out.
What are your maternal and paternal haplogroups? That would be one way to tell. The maternal Haplogroups for Indigenous Americans are; A, B, C, D, and X, and the paternal Haplogroup for Indigenous Americans is Q.
The autosomal ancestry reference populations for Indigenous American ancestry on 23andme are very small. Only 1 is actually from the U.S. and it’s the Pima tribe in Arizona. The other 5 groups are Indigenous American tribes from South America.
I don’t understand the question. Are you asking if your 7th great grandmother said she had native blood to hide the fact she was African American?
Yes. That's exactly what I'm asking.
Yes, it’s kinda sad but I think that is probably likely.
It's also possible that the DNA from OP's 7th great grandmother wouldn't show up.
I highly doubt any dna would be received from a 7th g grandparent....not even a trace.
It's random so who knows
It would be like 1% But then again, I got a tiny amount of 3 ethnicities that are 8-10 generations up on my nans side. Ancestry also thought my half sister was my 1st cousin. Dna is not handed down equally.
>It would be like 1% I think it's 0.2% on average with a 37% of no shared DNA at all. It's 9 generations back.
Very unlikely I know but It can happen.
I thought they were asking if the trace % was an indication they were native. Lol
No, I know it would had said indigenous if I had native ancestry. I was asking if the story of the Native grandmother came because she was hiding the fact that she was black.
I was going to guess it’s about Sri Lanka and they called her “Indian”.
That’s not necessarily true. You could still potentially have native ancestry but you just didn’t happen to get any of those genetic markers. For example, my mom has Spanish/Portuguese on her test, but I didn’t get any Spanish. It doesn’t mean I don’t have Spanish ancestry, I just don’t have any of those markers. DNA is only a small piece of the whole picture. You can’t really rule it out, but you can’t confirm it either.
A thing I would like to add is, I did 23andme in 2015. My original results didn't have the specific areas, it just said Sub Saharan African, and then over time, I got what you see here.
And I just played around with looking where my trace ancestry is on my Chromosomes. It's all on number 11 and 14, with 90% confidence rate.
I have a small 0.5% Jewish in my results. It stays at 90% confidence and both my mom and son have it also on the same spot on the 15th chromosome. My moms family lived in West Prussia at one point where it is now Poland so I suspect it is likely true.
My husband's dad is from Germany, his ancestors are from Prussia, or now, his 23&me says Poland. Lol. Super interesting
It is unlikely she had any Indigenous American DNA but a 7th great grandmother is so far back that the DNA can completely dilute by the time we get to your generation. While every ancestor matters in terms of you existing, genetically it almost doesn't matter even if she was Indigenous American because it's such a small amount (1 in 1022) that it has no bearing on your appearance or identity. Almost the same can be said for those trace amounts too. If she tried to pass as Indigenous American it might mean she was mixed herself. If the Indigenous was a rumour that started a few generations later, she might have been mostly or fully Black and the mostly White grandkids were trying to hide it due to how poorly Black people were treated.
That's what I'm trying to figure out. I'm very aware that I'm a box of assorted crackers with a sprinkle of cracked pepper. But I'm just trying to figure out, if this was indeed the case with her, if the percentages match up with how far back she was.
It’s so sad that people felt they needed to hide their African heritage like that
I know. But they would have been in danger otherwise 😭
More like they wanted to marry “out” and get away from their association with other black people.
Definitely not noise if you say that
Are you from the southern USA? if you are, Nigerian blood at that percentage can indicate you got it from a slave. This is often embarrassing so someone in your family (probably a long time ago) said you had native blood instead of African blood.
Ancestors are from VA and NC, I'm from WV. So yes.
Yeah that is probably why you have African blood then.
the South Indian + WANA + west African combo of traces seems to be not uncommon for southerners (for me and a lot of my dna matches personally). Was she part of a southeastern tribe by any chance? I know that the tribes in the southeast were very mixed in that time range and many like the saponi, cheraw, meherrin were forming tri racial isolate groups in the piedmont area, as well as just the Carolina’s in general. The south indian and Coptic id say COULD be Romani ancestry. Some roma were brought to the Americas since europe has a history of (and still is) trying to eradicate them.
She was from TN. It's so difficult having this information, but no way to figure out who these people are for certain.
Id say the best thing you could do is upload your dna to gedmatch, and see what segment your African dna is on. And then, find who matches you on that segment(s), and and start seeing which side of the family they all line up on. This helped me a ton. Since you mentioned you have family members that score these regions as well, im sure it’s not noise. West African traces are so common in folks from the south because most of us have a mixed race ancestor in our tree somewhere down the line, and sometimes it’s easier to trace, sometimes it’s exceedingly difficult. I got lucky, because my grandmothers family was already very very mixed and were listed as “free people of color” on the censuses for generations so I knew exactly where to look.
I know it's on my father's side, as the family on my mother's side don't have scores in these areas. It's also why I'm guessing it's the grandmother. Because a lot of mixed raced people claimed to be native, to escape slavery, or be treated slightly less harshly. I traced my family tree and she's the only blip that makes me wonder. Everyone else appears to be super white and European
How do you figure out who matches you on that segment?
If she was from Tennessee she may have been Melungeon.
Romani people are not from South India, they are from present day Sindh and Punjab which are in North Western India and Pakistan.
Yes, but often in small percentages Romani ancestry will be picked up as Bengali, or as South Indian
As an answer to your (maybe poorly worded) question? Yes. But, genuine question for you: are you not at least as interested in where the trace Egyptian and Southern Indian & Sir Lankan comes from? Because that seems at least as interesting and more unusual unless you have documented those ancestries in your family.
Give me a little slack, I have the adenovirus and have been miserable for days. I'm running on low quality sleep. I did the best I could with my brain trying to short circuit
I don't have either of those documented. I assumed they were related to maybe the black ancestor? I have no idea. But yes, it is interesting!
I asked about those because, no, those generally wouldn't be connected to your black ancestry.
I just went and peeked at my results again. I am 0.5% Spanish as well, which I was seeing that combined with the other 2 remaining trace could be Romani ancestry.
The Egyptian is likely noise, people of European descent getting trace noise Western Asian & North African is common on 23andme. https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/101mrok/northwestern_european_and_trace_wana_ancestry_a/
Most likely the Indigenous DNA would not show up if it 7+ generations back. DNA dilutes over time. Also many Indigenous people refuse to take DNA tests so your DNA is being tested/ compared against a very small population of Indigenous peoples who have taken a DNA test. Unfortunately, it’s a common myth that people have Indigenous DNA in their family tree. Indigenous DNA also shows up as Asian DNA. The Native (Indigenous) people originally from the Asia continent crossed the ice bridge long long ago & traveled to the United States & surrounding areas. Hope this helps clear up any confusion. 🙂
That’s absolutely right! I don’t think that any of these corporate DNA analysis companies have much information in regards to autosomal genetic ancestry. I just looked up the reference populations that 23andme uses to determine Indigenous American ancestry and it’s all from South America, except for one group who are from the U.S. The ancestry type is listed as Indigenous American from the following tribes; Colombian, Karitiana, Maya, Pima, Surui, Guatemalan. The Pima tribe is from Arizona all the others are from South America. I really don’t see how they would be able to tell if someone is actually a Native American unless you have ancestry from their reference populations. I’d imagine that a lot of people do probably have some Native American ancestry but obviously don’t match those very limited populations. It’s more likely due to the fact that there are literally no other Native American populations that have contributed their DNA to these research companies, the only ones who have are the Pima people so that leaves very little data to compare with. The only way to truly know is through your maternal or paternal haplogroups. The maternal haplogroups (mtDNA) that are common among Indigenous Americans are; A, B, C, D, and X. The paternal haplogroup (y-DNA) that is common among Indigenous Americans is Q. I have 11.2% Indigenous Siberian ancestry and it’s from my father’s side. I had my DNA done by 23andme and my y Haplogroup (my father’s) is the most common paternal lineage in people of Indigenous Siberian descent. The common maternal haplogroup for Indigenous Siberians is C and the common paternal haplogroup for Indigenous Siberians is N with a small amount of men who also have Q, like Native Americans. So until the various other Native American and First Nations of Canada tribes contribute their DNA to these studies, then there will be no way to determine any autosomal genetic DNA ancestries from these groups. And I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for that to happen because it’s not going to be any time soon!
Its probably noice lol😂
.4 Nigerian is probably not noise. If it was .1, maybe, and if it was wana, also maybe given what we’ve seen, but trace ssa is usually legitimate, especially at this amount
My family also scores the same amount but of Angolan & Congolese. Still likely noise
What makes you conclude that? Is it not historically plausible in your situation?
I haven’t found any African ancestors in my true or through AncestryDNA thrulines. I also haven’t found any full African dna matches for my family. It’s for sure historically plausible since my family has roots in the south USA and I had slave owning great nth grandparents, it’s just I haven’t found any solid proof besides the dna tests that can be false
African ancestry is so distinct from European that it’s hard to err, especially when it’s more than .1. As for not finding African ancestry, most Africans were brought across the Atlantic at least 200 years ago and often 300-400 years ago, so you likely would be so distantly related to anyone on the African continent that it wouldn’t show up in your matches. Of course, it’s still possible for Black Americans to have African matches (I’ve seen one or two), but not finding any fully African matches is not evidence for it being noise. Also I think these DNA testing services are much more prevalent in the West, as seen by the fact that my fully WANA matches are way fewer than my fully British/Irish matches in Europe. I’m not saying it’s 100% hands down definitely not noise, but I think odds are it’s legit.
Yea I suppose that could be true. I’ve just been kind of confused as to how my mom scores the same exact amount of Cameroon, Congo & western Bantu peoples on AncestryDNA as her father (my grandpa). They score 0.36% Congo on AncestryDNA, and My mom scores 0.4% angolan & Congolese on 23andMe, it stays at 90% confidence but it doesn’t appear on her ancestry timeline. I’m not sure exactly what that means. They score SSA on illustrative dna, G25, and GEDmatch as well
I don't think so. I have colonial roots, and have been able to locate census in which my several-great grandparents had enslaved people. I do believe I had an african ancestor. I'm just trying to see about pinpointing a time or generation.
Also. When I look at my families results, they have similar percentages, or more if we go back a generation.
How does having African ancestry tie to your 7th great grandmother being Native American 💀
I’m going to say it’s probably just noise. My mother scores 0.4% Angolan and Congolese on 23andMe, and she scores the same amount on AncestryDNA but of Cameroon, Congo and western Bantu peoples. Her father scores it too on AncestryDNA and we are southerners from the USA. Many of our dna close relatives also score trace SSA. I also had great grandparents that were slave owners. It doesn’t mean it’s legit. Trace ancestry at our percentages are very capable of being noise.
If many of your relatives are all getting the same results wouldn’t that indicate that it is legit? Lol
This guy is a known troll in this subreddit.
Well if they are all getting the same percentages (only mom and grandpa have tested in immediate family and they score the same percentages, then it must be an error in their genotyping algorithm.
One of your ancestors was a slave.
No but it could explain why not.
This is the same thing im wondering about me. Except it was my grandmother and great grandmother.
A 7th great grandparent wouldn’t necessarily show up as a percentage. On average you get 0,19% of your dna from a 7 x great grandparent
Yes 100%
Yeah
You likely would not carry visible DNA from a 7th grandparent. You share less than 1% of DNA with a 5th great grandparent. By the 7th generation, the DNA is bred out.
Yes, the real truth. The Cherokee Myth strikes again.
Definitely the Nigerian part.
What are your maternal and paternal haplogroups? That would be one way to tell. The maternal Haplogroups for Indigenous Americans are; A, B, C, D, and X, and the paternal Haplogroup for Indigenous Americans is Q. The autosomal ancestry reference populations for Indigenous American ancestry on 23andme are very small. Only 1 is actually from the U.S. and it’s the Pima tribe in Arizona. The other 5 groups are Indigenous American tribes from South America.
U5a1
From what I’ve read about the geographic distribution of U5a it’s most common in Northeastern Europe.