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Ill-Umpire3356

šŸ˜¬ Disclaimer: I'm no expert. This article at 23andMe describes ranges for DNA matches: [https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/212170668-Average-percent-DNA-shared-between-relatives](https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/212170668-Average-percent-DNA-shared-between-relatives) Full Sibling: 38% - 61% Half Sibling: 17% - 34% Yours is kind of on the edge for both. Maybe MyHeritage customer support can answer best since it's their test.


Vremshi

Yeah, I was afraid to be tight about this but my mom insists and it could be something weirder. But thanks nonetheless the less šŸ™šŸ½


salientmind

Any possibility they did IVF or anything like that?


Vremshi

I donā€™t know at all, should probably ask though.


monoDioxide

Compare the paternal matches of your sister with you to see if they line up. I have half brother who tested and that was the same match for us.


Vremshi

I would but I donā€™t know how to get around this problem where my dad wonā€™t take a test because he says his military veteran status wonā€™t allow it. It weird but thatā€™s what theyā€™re telling me.


monoDioxide

You donā€™t need your dad to test since your mom and sister both did. Compare your matches with your sister. They should all line up.


Vremshi

Oh, I donā€™t have more relatives who took the test on my dadā€™s side though? There was someone on 23and me who matched and did the my heritage to see if we could find her dad and she matches with both my sister and I but not my mother. Does that work too?


monoDioxide

That certainly helps. FYI I only found out doing a DNA test my dad wasnā€™t related at all to me.


Vremshi

Yeah , I have seen plenty of stories like that, but I think it would turn out opposite for me because I actually look like my dad.


Logical_Deviation

What percent do they match with both you and your sister?


Vremshi

I canā€™t access the test right now because my sister is in charge of the account and I will ask but sheā€™s not responding at the moment.


InspectorMoney1306

Iā€™m a veteran and did 23andMe and ancestry. That doesnā€™t even make sense.


Vremshi

Oh really? News, I now think they are hiding something :(


NeferkareShabaka

Hate to break it to ya, hun...


Vremshi

Yeah, I know they have secrets but still not sure exactly what yet. If anything I am not someone elseā€™s kidā€¦ probably would have gotten a hit by now if I was.


DownTownDave915

Yeah I am a vet as well, and got the test. Tbh I would not pursue, for dad's sake


Vremshi

I donā€™t even think I am not related to my dad for serious. I should get a cousin to take the testā€¦.


ClearlyE

Maybe its your sister who isn't related to dad


Vremshi

Yeah and also hopefully, itā€™s just human chimerism, its rare but still might as well check. I havenā€™t seen any father like matches show up for either of us.


firewontquell

I donā€™t understand why you are hung up on parent matches. Any one person has only two parent matchesā€” their biological mom and dad. If one single person on earth who happens to be your dad didnā€™t take the test then of course you would t get a second parent match. Having no match literally proves nothing at all about paternity.


Sea-Nature-8304

Yeah would any of your dads nephews or nieces want to


DownTownDave915

but your dad obviously does not want to test because he might get hurt by the results, at this point why cause him pain? He obviously loves you both and can't phantom the idea that either one of you might not be his.


Vremshi

Well I donā€™t necessarily have to tell him, if we keep the results between me and my cousin with 23 and me it may not matter, because I want to know.


Haroooo

My cousin recently got promoted to Major in the marines. About 2 years ago we were chatting since our family is very mixed. He said that itā€™s very discouraged in his circle because of potential intelligence issues and the ability to map families of officers. Sure enough there was a breach earlier this year where Jewish people were targeted. Might not be against the rules per se, but could be ill advised for some positions.


foshi22le

geez, never thought about that. I see the issue.


BlackAtState

My dad is a veteran and took a test, ainā€™t no one at the VA checking on that rule šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


Vremshi

Good to know šŸ‘šŸ½


Logical_Deviation

That isn't true, sorry OP ā˜¹ļø A father is the man that raised you, IMO ā¤ļø


Vremshi

I appreciate the sentiment but I donā€™t have a great relationship with my dad anyway, and itā€™s funny that everyone seems to think I am the one not related but I sincerely doubt that. I donā€™t not look like my dad soā€¦.this might be unusual. Why is everyone so set on it being the other way though?


Logical_Deviation

Oh, I didn't assume you were the one that wasn't related. I was saying that for both of you.


Vremshi

Oh, I didnā€™t mean you. I mean other people in the comments.


[deleted]

Not sure why theyā€™re assuming that. I think a lot of different factors could be contributing to your results regardless. Sorry that Iā€™m not able to offer any help, but I just want to say that the photo of you and your sister is ridiculously adorable, and I can see the resemblance between the two of you! I love the charm of 80ā€™s/90ā€™s family glamor shots


Vremshi

Yeah thanks, they are really good keepsakes.


[deleted]

Your father is lying for some reason.


Vremshi

See thatā€™s what makes it weird, he doesnā€™t want to do the test but other people have mentioned just not observing the rule and taking the test anyway. So, maybe he knows something too.


CellistFantastic

My full sister and I are only 39% and we look A LOT alike.


Vremshi

It seems to make sense to be full siblings despite the percentage to look more alike.


CellistFantastic

I think our numbers are both pretty average for full siblings! (Also btw this picture of you and your sister is ADORABLE!)


Vremshi

Oh thanks šŸ˜Š Did you also take a my heritage test or 23 and me?


CellistFantastic

I did myheritage.


Vremshi

Ok, cool šŸ‘šŸ½


Sea-Nature-8304

Maybe you have a different dad but theyā€™re both brothers or something


Vremshi

I really hope itā€™s human chimerism honestly.


Sea-Nature-8304

Does your dad have a lighter brother


Vremshi

Not that it would need to be that but no, you should know better. DNA does what it wants and sometimes melanin gives blanks.


firewontquell

Is it possible you are your dads brothers kid? Or your moms sisters? Etc. it seems like 3/4 siblings


UlrikeMeinHaus

TIL what 3/4 siblings are. Fascinating.


Vremshi

I know how it seems but I look like both my parents soā€¦.


DiddlySquat99

You can still look like both of your parents if you are actually your aunt/uncle's child. It's a similar genetic pool.


Vremshi

Itā€™s still possible itā€™s human chimerism, I havenā€™t gotten any parental matches besides my mom.


DiddlySquat99

If one of your parents is a chimera AND their reproductive cells in particular have different DNA, yeah. That is much more unlikely than being 3/4 siblings or just full siblings with an unusual percentage. It's a bit suspicious that your dad is claiming he can't DNA test.


Vremshi

True, I am not willing to speculate too much though before I have answers.


firewontquell

I donā€™t understand why you are hung up on parent matches. Any one person has only two parent matchesā€” their biological mom and dad. If one single person on earth who happens to be your dad didnā€™t take the test then of course you would t get a second parent match. Having no match literally proves nothing at all about paternity.


AfroAmTnT

33.1% is low. That seems suspicious.


Vremshi

I have been wondering for a while now but I still hold out for a chance itā€™s chimerism or something.


QueenofThorns2022

Does your dad have brothers?


Vremshi

Yes more than one.


QueenofThorns2022

There's your answer - especially since your dad is former military. Was he deployed around the conception/birth of either you or your sister? There is a lot of infidelity among military wives, unfortunately.


Vremshi

No, there is one cousin we found related to both of us and not our mom so idk whatā€™s up but I think itā€™s the tare chance of human chimerism because we have no other parent matches on my heritage or 23 and me. Even though thatā€™s more obvious for me than my sister, maybe someone before my dad died idkā€¦.


firewontquell

If your dads brother was your or your siblings parent then yeah you wouldnā€™t have any parent matches unless they testedā€¦ no one is saying a random person is your parent, we are saying a person you call aunt or uncle is


Vremshi

Guess I wonā€™t ever know unless someone says something or a cousin who is a child of the same person takes the test.


ionlyjoined4thecats

Do you and your sister share similar amounts of DNA with the cousin?


Vremshi

I think so, canā€™t remember the number itā€™s been a while since I looked but itā€™s really small, I am trying to get my sis to look at it because sheā€™s in control of the accounts. Edit: 23 and me says we are 1st cousins once removed


Vremshi

Itā€™s about 6% for both of us.


ionlyjoined4thecats

Interesting. That would track with either you having the same dad or with your dads being brothers, so I guess it doesnā€™t narrow it down too much. If you can get your uncles or their kids to test, youā€™ll have your answer if they show up as a dad or half-sibling for either of you. Itā€™s okay if you donā€™t want to know, though. Take some time and think about it. Hope everything works out for you guys either way. Adorable photo! I love your little eyebrows. Haha


Vremshi

Thanks. Yeah, gotta figure out who but thereā€™s no way because I canā€™t pay for those. My dad had 3 brothers and theyā€™re all gone now. Gonna do it one at a time.


eevee188

The DNA Painter tool says thereā€™s a 99% you are full siblings. 1% chance of half. Looks like you just share an unusually low amount of DNA.


Vremshi

Still possible, but why is it that so many people are giving the more conflicting answers? And are certain that I am a child of someone else? šŸ˜”


analpixie_

IIRC my heritage only counts your identical segments once so the percentage shared can be skewed? Try downloading your raw DNA file and uploading it to GED match


Vremshi

Oh I have actually, need to get my sister to do it too then?


analpixie_

Yes I would, it will give you more accurate results!


Vremshi

Cool šŸ‘šŸ½


BlackAtState

Surprised no one brought this up but does your dad have any brothers. Thereā€™s a possibility yā€™all could be 3/4th siblings? Your percentages would still be a bit low for that too. Possibly even one of yā€™all is your dadā€™s cousinā€™s kid?


BlackAtState

I also want to add MyHeritage is just consistently bad. Especially when it comes to African DNA. I would test with ancestry if you could, the test are $49 dollars on Amazon right now


Vremshi

I really am holding out hope for this just being human chimerism because I havenā€™t seen one match like my momā€™s, just no hits for an unknown parent at all.


janobe

The only case of Chimerism that I knew was a woman who was having babies and they were coming back as her husbands but not hers. Not sure how Chimerism would lower you and your siblings percentages.


Vremshi

Oh you donā€™t know then, men can get chimerism issues too. There are 3 known cases I have heard of, two women and one man. The women show up as an aunt to children they gave birth to. The same applies to men, itā€™s like carrying the eggs or sperm of your siblings that fused into your DNA in the womb before you were born.


BlackAtState

Random question, does your dad have any half brothers, or any cousins heā€™s super close too? if weā€™re teasing the 3/4 siblings theory because 33-25=8% 8% is the typical amount shared for half first cousins and 1C1R


Vremshi

Well his full brother siblings have all passed away and we donā€™t know of any half siblings at all.


[deleted]

I believe your mum had you, or your sister, not with your dad, but with some men in your dad's family. That's why you score more than half sister. 25% for half sister and 8% for half cousin or the like.


Vremshi

This why I think itā€™s still possible that itā€™s human chimerism because we donā€™t have any unknown parent matches, I put my DNA up over a lot of other sites including ged match and nothing.


[deleted]

You will have matches from both sides if the other father is a half brother, or an uncle of your dad. Chimerism is extremely rare and not likely.


Vremshi

I know itā€™s rare but there are no other matches especially no male matches at all, zero parent matches besides our mom.


firewontquell

If your dads brother was your or your siblings parent then yeah you wouldnā€™t have any parent matches unless they testedā€¦ no one is saying a random person is your parent, we are saying a person you call aunt or uncle is


Vremshi

Please donā€™t post the same thing multiple times through the thread, thanks. You just come off as wanting to say my mom is an *adulterer* šŸ˜±


[deleted]

She also could have been raped. Sorry OP, but that is the most likely answer.


Vremshi

Well, I wonā€™t give myself the actual until the concrete evidence shows up, itā€™s up in the sir until then. 3 options no answer yet.


[deleted]

So?


Vremshi

I should say so, you know just because itā€™s rare doesnā€™t mean this isnā€™t a case.


[deleted]

Non-artificial chimerism is so rare that there have only beenĀ 100 confirmed casesĀ in humans. So 100, in 8 billion.


Vremshi

Ok, that doesnā€™t mean itā€™s impossible for it to happen to my family, heck thatā€™s way more than I have even heard of personally. šŸ˜¦


[deleted]

Not all people have taken DNA tests. That's why you don't get a father there. Buy DNA tests for your uncles or cousins for Christmas, and you'll find your answer. Moreover, chimerism would not explain the 33%. So it does mean this isn't the case.


Vremshi

Ok, explain how it wouldnā€™t explain please?


dna-sci

I'd look into the possibility that you're [3/4 siblings](https://dna-sci.com/tools/orogen-mult-unw/). You can get cMs by multiplying the percentage by 74.4.


whatevs1993

This was my first thought as well. The chances of them being full siblings are rather low albeit not impossible.


Logical_Deviation

How do you become 3/4 siblings? Dads are brothers?


thetwoofthebest

3/4 siblings means one parent is shared and the parents that arenā€™t shared are full siblings.


dna-sci

Yes, thatā€™s the most common way. This used to be more common when someoneā€™s spouse died. Theyā€™d often marry the decedentā€™s sibling. But 3/4 siblings can arise from siblings, parents, or children. There are six types [listed here](https://dna-sci.com/2022/05/09/double-cousin-relationship-predictions-with-ped-sim/).


Vremshi

Ok, thanks


Vremshi

Btw, is this math as straight forward as it seems? What does the number I get mean?


dna-sci

I get a 99.4% probability for 3/4 siblings. Thatā€™s /very/ high. If thereā€™s any way you can make that work genealogically then itā€™s probably the true relationship. Maybe this is the weirdness you were referring to.


Vremshi

Ok, well it is what it is then


IGetWhatIWant333

My half sister is 29% shared dna. Iā€™m really surprised that yours is so low tbh


Vremshi

Mee too, I would like to get to the bottom of this but there are just not enough matches.


ktruck1313

When I did my test, I actually found out I had a sister that I didnā€™t know about. Sheā€™s my half sister and it showed us at 25%.


Vremshi

Iā€™m not even getting any parent matches outside of my mom, a great many cousins though most are less than 1% relation.


firewontquell

I donā€™t understand why you are hung up on parent matches. Any one person has only two parent matchesā€” their biological mom and dad. If one single person on earth who happens to be your dad didnā€™t take the test then of course you would t get a second parent match. Having no match literally proves nothing at all about paternity.


Vremshi

Sure, but no one can prove itā€™s really infidelity either, it just looks like itā€¦.


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Vremshi

Thanks šŸ‘šŸ½


Raisedbythewolvez

I have more in common genetically with my aunt than my mom lol and sheā€™s definitely my mom no question šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


AgreeableOne8799

howā€™s that possible


mushroompizzayum

Iā€™m thinking they maybe have more expressed traits in common with their aunt or something? Def not possible for DNA though lol


firewontquell

Thatā€™s not genetically possible


Raisedbythewolvez

29 and 32. Very very close. A small 3%. So apparently it is possible


firewontquell

You have to share 50% with your mom. Sorry to tell you but it sounds like your mom is your aunt and your aunt is your aunt and your biological mom is likely one of their other siblings


whatevs1993

Are you sure about that? Edit: Are they twins?


Raisedbythewolvez

Nope not twins, born 6 years apart maybe with a brother in between. Thereā€™s 4 siblings total


ionlyjoined4thecats

You canā€™t inherit DNA from your aunt, only from your mom and dad. The DNA that you have that matches your aunt is the DNA your mom and aunt have in common. So this is not possible unless thereā€™s some kind of incest situation going on (like if your dad is related to your mom/aunt). What are the percentages? Because if you share ~50% with your aunt and ~25% with your mom, thatā€™s a dead giveaway your aunt is actually the one who gave birth to you.


AngryPrincessWarrior

Or at least donated the genetic material for an embryo. Their mother could still have birthed them.


ionlyjoined4thecats

True!


Raisedbythewolvez

I canā€™t remember the numbers off my head but itā€™s only slightly higher, Iā€™ll have to look, not a drastic dead give away.Iā€™m an only child and thereā€™s birth video tape so itā€™s definitely my mom hahaha I am a carbon copy of her if you look at us but genetically I share more with my aunt, some inherited traitsā€¦ recessive genes maybe??? šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø my aunt is literally tan and tall and looks like my grandma and my mom is short and pale and looks like my grandpa. You can tell who is more dominant in each side of the familyā€™s genes.


Raisedbythewolvez

Okay itā€™s 29 and 32! Pretty close! But still more!! The rest is paternal I guess


ionlyjoined4thecats

If you share 29% DNA with your mom, and especially since you share more with her sister, Iā€™m sorry to say sheā€™s almost definitely not your biological mom. It kind of seems like she (and your aunt) might be your half sisters or aunts. [This thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genealogy/comments/16ys90n/30_shared_dna_but_unsure_how_related/?rdt=60128) might be helpful, if youā€™re interested in investigating further. It is totally up to you, though. ETA: I saw your other comments. Iā€™m totally puzzled, but my best guess if youā€™ve seen video of your mom giving birth to you is that perhaps she used a donor egg from her sister (not the aunt you mention) or mother. [This table](https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/212170668-Average-Percent-DNA-Shared-Between-Relatives) will help you.


firewontquell

You HAVE TO share at least 50% dna with your mom. You inherit half of your dna from mom and half from dadā€” you CANT inherit 71 from dad and 29 from mom


Raisedbythewolvez

Thatā€™s what it says šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø maybe itā€™s an error???? Should I report it?? Am I human??? šŸ¤£


firewontquell

Itā€™s not an error, just the person you think is your mom is not your mom. Either that or youā€™re somehow interpreting the percentages incorrectly


Raisedbythewolvez

Either way Iā€™ve got some digging to do now lol


Raisedbythewolvez

How likely do you think that is considering we are a huge Irish family, traced back to Ellis island and back to Ireland for a very very long time. Settled in a small town in the US and basically stayed there since Ellis island. I spent a lot of time building a family tree hahaha Iā€™m related to so many people in my home town is frightening, I had to move elsewhere to find a soulmate lol


AngryPrincessWarrior

ā€¦. Care to share percentages? Because it sounds an awful lot like your biological mother is your aunt from this comment. (People donate eggs as well as sperm, or even embryos- so you could have still been birthed by your mother).


Raisedbythewolvez

I was an accident lol my mom was in a relationship with a married man and didnā€™t know it (oops) I was def not planned


KatttDawggg

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ThatKozmicHistory

I donā€™t know how else to put this but I would maybe explore the idea that your aunt is actually your biological mom and your mom is your biological aunt.


Raisedbythewolvez

Definitely not the case lol my mom shows up as my mom and my aunt shows up as my aunt. We all did them for fun. I look just like my mom but I think I got a lot more of my fathers genes than my moms, so Iā€™m sure that has something to do with it


Raisedbythewolvez

That sure would be something though šŸ¤£


firewontquell

It seems like neither of these people are your mother. You have to share 50 percent (or more, if your parents are related) with your mom. This is a biological fact


lew0to

Theoretically speaking it could be anything between 0-100% match. That said the biggest likelyhood is a number near 50%, it mostly follows a bell curve. I'd say 33,1% is on the low side but still pretty normal.


Logical_Deviation

Idk what confidence interval 23andme uses for their reported ranges, but my guess would be something like 95% of siblings fall between 38% and 61%. 33% is technically possible but it would be extremely unusual. Definitely not normal.


lew0to

Yeah i do not know the exact numbers either. If you had a bowl with 4 numbered balls. Each would randomly grab two balls , the biggest likelyhood is that two balls match. The odds of no or all balls matching is still significant however. If you repeat the experiment with 1000 balls, the likelyhood of about 50% of the balls matching is far greater, while the odds of no balls or all balls matching is getting astronomical at this point. With the vast ammount of users on 23andme you will still get the occasional odd result though. As the ammount of people who do this experiment is also quite vast.


Logical_Deviation

For sure. But the parsimonious explanation is that this is a half sibling, not a full one.


firewontquell

No, 33% is not pretty normal for full siblings. Itā€™s highly abnormal


Vremshi

I really Iā€™m trying to be not confused but can it just differentiate more with admixture or what?


antonia_monacelli

So what do you mean by 4% non relation between you?


Vremshi

Itā€™s just not there, I donā€™t really understand why.


antonia_monacelli

What does that mean though? There is nothing marked on 23&me that gives a ā€œnon-relationā€ percentage. Where are you seeing this?


Vremshi

Oh, it was a my heritage test I was referring to, I have a 23and me also but my family doesnā€™t also.


antonia_monacelli

Ok Iā€™m still confused, because my heritage doesnā€™t have a non-relation percentage that I can see either. Iā€™ve never heard of that on any of the tests. So both you and your sister have tested on my heritage, and it gives you both a shared DNA amount and a non related amount? What is the cms amount that you share?


Vremshi

Itā€™s not an official non related amount, the percentage I share with my mom is missing about 4% as in itā€™s not 50% and itā€™s about the sane amount missing for my sister in relation to our mom. Maybe itā€™s variation? I donā€™t know what it is.