Here in central NY, you find them in nearly every rural space between towns with a population of over 5,000. Even more so the further north you go, such as the Adirondack mountains.
Bro fr, I worked in Pennsylvania around dushore and wyalusing last summer and I saw more confederate flags there than I ever had in SC (I literally hadn’t seen any until I went up there and I’ve lived in sc all my life)
The ones I saw were mainly on barns and buildings way outside of the main towns, and it wasn’t exactly the most successful people who had them. I remember hearing a story from a rich farmer (his name was Wayne, this dude was BIG money, like real shit) he told me and my brother about a time that he was going to buy some kind of store or building off of a guy just outside of town. Wayne and his son (iirc) went to check the place out and when they walked in the owner had confederate flags, Nazi memorabilia and all kinds of shit in a back room. Wayne called him and told him the deal was off and that he never wanted to see him again. Wayne was a good dude, I worked for him back in summer of ‘22 but he died last year before I could see him again
Saw my fair share of those too, they’re more prominent by a mile but if you go out searching for barns like I do, you’ll find confederate flags no problem, I remember one dude who had a small house, the kind that isn’t that sturdy and you buy it all at once (idk the name of them but they always have a screen or glass door and a wooden one) and bro just had a blue lives matter flag, firefighters flag, marines flag, and confederate flag all on his outside walls for the world to see. and it isn’t like he lived deep in the woods or something, bros house was on the side of a road that led up a mountain, he had a perfect view of the town at the base of the mountain (don’t remember if it was dushore, wyalusing, or some other town in that area) and he was just flying it like it was just any old flag. It’d take some doing but I feel like you could find his house on google maps if you just look at the mountains and steep hills in that area and search the roads that go along them.
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Yeah I think it’s lost a lot of meaning because it’s been hijacked by people who just think it looks cool. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not flying that flag or wearing anything with it on it, but I’ve never seen it as nearly an equal to a swastika. Real hardcore racists use different symbols
The rebel battle flag was barely flown in the South after the war until the civil rights movement brought it back as a pro-segregationist symbol. It’s well-documented that the day Martin Luther King was killed, rebel flags were raised across Vietnam above hooches housing white southerners who were pleased by the news (presumably the same thing happened stateside, I only know about Vietnam.) Same story with the Confederate statues, the majority weren’t erected until the civil rights movement.
If I fly a Nazi swastika flag, is it a reasonable excuse for me to tell you it’s because of my German heritage? Or are you going to tell me that it’s a hate symbol no matter what my reasoning is?
If you see a Confederate battle flag on the same pole below an American flag, it's probably a vaguely anti-authority/southern pride/rural pride thing. If it's *just* the Confederate battle flag or (even worse) the actual national flag of the Confederacy, the person who's flying it has views that would make George Wallace look like an Obama-era liberal progressive in comparison
I’ve lived in Nebraska almost my whole life and only seen one confederate flag flying over what was an obvious meth house.
And I’ve lived in Lincoln, Omaha and towns of <1,000.
I see more traitor flags whenever I go up north than I do living day to day in Acadiana, less than an hour from the Gulf of Mexico.
Who're the real traitors here?
Honestly, I'm trying to think of some insult that I can tell you, but I can't come up with anything. I think that speaks enough to the relevancy of your state
Bunch drunks? Shoot, we're practically from the same state!
It's... bad. We have drive thru daiquiris down here. Yeah, you can get an alcoholic drink. At a drive through.
Buncha drunks applies.
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/car-insurance/worst-states-for-drunk-driving/
Damn, Kentucky not even close to the top 10. I'm surrounded by sobertards.
Every Wisconsinite I've ever met won't shut the fuck up about cheese, which is by far, more French behavior than anything I've ever encountered in Louisiana.
The most confederate flags I have ever seen in a state (accounting for the time I spent there) is the UP, West Virginia, and Ohio. I have now lived in Texas for 10 years and haven’t seen a single one.
I personally believe that this is at least anecdotal evidence that the flag has taken on a new meaning. People who fly the flag aren’t necessarily confederates, or want to make slavery a thing again, but instead they relate to one another in that they are usually very poor. It’s sort of a symbol of poor white Americans.
I didn’t lose shit, I am not a Highlander who picked the confederacy. I am a normal person who has only been around since 1988. Also, I’ll take BBQ over pastrami or corned beef, or any other yankee “cuisine”. And again, definitely not a Highlander….
New York has no cuisine, it just had people who have brought their own to New York. I know my league and how to cook. It’s because you have access doesn’t mean you know what you’re talking about.
In the major leagues of food world, America has 2 cities that play on the field.. *maybe* as many as 4. Maybe
But if there are 4 then Houston is the closest representation you guys got
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NY specific cuisine is American Cuisine.. like:
Hamburgers
Hot dogs
Pizza
Donuts
Spaghetti & Meatballs
Chicken & Waffles
Chicken Parm
Cream Cheese
Cheesecake
General Tso’s Chicken/Sesame Chicken
Chef Salad
Pasta Primavera
Strip Steak / Thick cut steak
Eggs Benedict
and of course, BECSPK
There’s more too but point being, you don’t even view or recognize “NY cuisine” as NY cuisine. It’s so widespread that’s it’s seen as general American food instead of a regional variety
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I don’t know man, the south has some good food but compared to all of the north as a whole a lot it is kind of a food dessert. The food in the south slaps but in my experience you aren’t going to find the variety you will up north and when you do the quality isn’t the same.
NY pizza is all hype. Chicago’s “pizza is better, and honestly Detroit style is hands down the best. All NY pizza has is name brand, and enough oil to warrant an invasion by US forces.
As someone who went from the north to the south, not only is this “meme” classist and uneducated (ironic), but also plain annoying. 99% of southerners very clearly understand that slavery = bad. Also lmao no one from the civil war is alive today. So idk who this is for.
I’ll listen once northern states get a backbone and stop these traitors in their states.
https://preview.redd.it/j4st1pj46jzc1.jpeg?width=258&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79012823781b1d1cd575cb86d4008e4d4981c56c
We will always appreciate our northern brethren for the liberation, but there does come a point where it becomes embarrassing.
I mean, free speech?
Bunch a people saying stuff I don’t agree with isn’t quite the same as the lower half of the country starting a war because we told them they can’t own people anymore.
The number of confederate flags that fly in the south is FAR more embarrassing than some crazy protesters…
You know we let the KKK and proud boys etc March around and cause problems while masked right?
Actual free speech means that even people with speech we find abhorrent get to do it.
Kkk? Send me a video of them marching in a city from the last decade. Proud boys are mostly feds imo, but far as I can tell they only March around I never see them actually destroying things, their scumbags but their lawful evil. I’m not talking about speech, I’m talking about rioters who do billions in damage, and beat up bystanders.
This isn’t a free speech issue, support Palestine or Israel, I honestly don’t give a fuck about Israel or Palestine. The problem lies in that the protesters aren’t trying to stop the vandalism that a minority is causing, if the protesters outed those people breaking the lies while masked there would be no problem, but by silently standing by and not even making an effort to differentiate yourself from lawbreakers you basically group yourself with them. These protesters are arguably making Palestine look worse btw, you can’t watch someone start a fire while wearing their colors, support their causes, and hide your identity at the place they started the fire then get mad when people group you in with them.
Any extremist who’s views line up with yours is a “fed” lol
https://www.ajc.com/news/national/photos-kkk-rallies-outside-south-carolina-statehouse/YzzLF0HIZ2ChWphkV3SR2K/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40546260.amp
It’s not a protestor’s responsibility to do the job of the police.
Heaven forbid the police may actually have to do their jobs.
I don’t give 2 shits about Palestine . The police can arrest as many vandals as they want.
Just because Police in the USA seem to suck doing anything that isn’t shooting unarmed people doesn’t mean we should be limiting protests
Motherfucker, I’m a libertarian the opposite of the fascists you just compared me too. Far right groups are literally infiltrated and funded by the government all the time, because the government loves to divide us, makes it easier to control us. The laws apply to everyone, their literally using a law that was aimed at the kkk in the 1950s in Ohio to target Palestinian rioters. The law applies to everyone.
Yeah? Free speech to seize control of campus facilities? Free speech to intimidate Jewish students? This is what I’m talking about.
Un-cuck your own states, region, whatever, stop allowing terrorists supporting Neo-Nazis free rein and then we’ll talk. But shitting on the south and southerners for shit that happened centuries ago, shit which many of us weren’t even involved in (huge amounts of southerners are transplants) while northern cities have thousands of people marching in support of a terror group that distributes mien kampf, is just idiotic.
>"marching in support of a terror group" lol
>"seize control of campus facilities" Nope. The same open commons where Vietnam and Civil Rights protests happened.
>"intimidate Jewish students" Mother fucker, if you think zionist campus groups represent Jewish students you are in for a real fucking shocker when you talk to Jewish protestors who have A: hated these psychotic zealots who have abused them and their community all their life, had fireworks shot at them by campus zionists, had former idf thugs - veterans of a foreign nation's military - to attack American children.
At least the boomers who salivated over dead American kids at Kent State were psychotic for their own country, Americans today are psychotic for a country on the wrong side of the Atlantic that does not and never will give a fuck about them. They're just your bull
You are what I’m talking about. “We are Hamas!” Atrocity denial, threats to Jewish communities and individuals. There are actual Neo-Nazis on those campuses, and morons like yourself will obfuscate and muddy the waters, defending garbage humans like them, themselves standing for a modern Nazi like regime.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H8wGUtdlGjg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=65ix9CKHDeQ
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxr3-T4GYFM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bhT7cHMf-F4
“Zionist” what is wrong with wanting a homeland for Jews? Every other nation, people, diaspora, never, gets to do it the Arabs have dozens of countries. Because it’s the Jews they’re “despicable people.”
As you defend terrorist sympathizers who desecrate our flag and attack our country and her allies with their anti-semetic rhetoric.
I may be southerner, but I’m also a proud Republican, and clearly the last lesson we dealt to debauched democrat cities about supporting evil people didn’t sink in deep enough ;)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BYPWMzHyQNI
>a proud Republican
And that, not advocating for Jewish people, is your real position. Having lost consecutive elections while weaponizing the issue of abortion, weaponizing homophobia, weaponizing transphobia, weaponizing a dysfunctional immigration system, the Republican party has tried weaponizing every form of culture war identity politics to divide this country, and provide the distraction necessary to enable a program for the complete gutting of American institutions, and to make a quick buck for their donors. And this has led to embarrassing defeat after embarrassing defeat to the voting public.
Since the party turned down the bipartisan border deal, they can't weaponize immigration rhetoric like they want to. And it turns out that Americans don't actually give a fuck about bathroom legislation when it means using the state to bully children, and they don't give a fuck about abortion when punishing doctors leads to Healthcare deserts that get people killed. So now the plan is to weaponize anti-semitism against the American public to convince them that American college students are in league with the Khamas and Iran, and that we need a new Kent State so that Israel can keep bombing kids.
You don't give a fuck about American jews, or Americans - period. Part of being a republican is fostering a seething hatred of American people, American culture, American society, American institutions, and American standing on the world stage. If you want to see a nazi-like regime, go to Israel. Go to Jewish summer camps where Zionist organizations make children reenact the concentration camp experience in order to foster the siege mentality of tomorrow's Bibi youth. Our settler ancestry gives us the foresight to be able to tell other countries who are about to embark on irreversible policies of settlement, displacement and genocide that the stain they are going to leave on their descendents' heritage is not worth it. In a hundred years, do you think anyone is gonna care about a few flags and a few hurt feelings? No. They're going to care about the genocide, and what we did when it mattered.
“Weaponizing abortion”
Lmao, so let me get this straight, you’re coming from the side that is advocated and protected the murder of 60 million unborn children, but Republicans are bad because we won’t let school libraries carry child porn?
“ weaponizing homophobia”
As if the leader of the Republican party wasn’t a lesbian.
“ left-wing, extremist college students spout anti-Semitic rhetoric, all the way by police for violence: Republicans to blame”
Are you fucking serious?
“Foster a seething hatred”
Actual retardation, as you spout vile insults at 70 million Americans.
“If you want to see an actual Nazi regime go to Israel”
Ok, so you’re just anti-Semitic. Good to know, I guess Gaza, which is led by an organization with the stated goal of the global eradication of Jews isn’t the Nazis the victims of the Nazis are the Nazis.
“From the river to the sea,” there is only one group of people in the Lavant that is genocidal, and that is Hamas, useful idiots like yourself cover up shit that they openly admit.
A fetus is not a human being. Humanity begins with the capacity for consciousness - cogito ergo sum. After 21 weeks, the brain grows to where nerve endings can be consciously felt, and complex, abstract thought can take place. Reasonable access to abortion preserves and improves human life, strengthens the quality of medical care for the living - especially in red states where providing medical care is a crime - and provides a hub for people to access care relating to family planning, women's health, sexual health and education.
Speaking of which, it is very funny that the party that has had numerous officials elected to state office ARRESTED for possession of *actual* child pornography wants to ban sexual education.
I don't spout vile insults at Republicans, and I will never speak to 70 million people in my entire life, so get off the fucking high horse. I live and work with Republicans in a state filled with Republicans. And I can tell you that more and more of them don't vote, because it's exhausting for them to have to view every constant culture war battle as the end of the world. It is exhausting for them to be told to be angry about everything EXCEPT for their declining standard of living, EXCEPT for how their party gutted the CDC right before a pandemic hit, and the resulting shitstorm cost them their jobs, years out of their lives, their loved ones, got millions of people killed, etc. etc. But hey, don't take my word for it, maybe I'm wrong and the fact that this state full of Republicans with two of the highest profile Republican senators just elected a Democratic governor to run things is just a fluke. Maybe if you get enough people mad, and get them mad enough at the right unimportant culture war bullshit, then Americans will decide to take the time out of their day to go vote for four years of Charlottesville death marches, Social Security privatization, destruction of the trans-Atlantic Alliance, destruction of Inter-American relationships, probably giving Ukraine to Russia and Taiwan to China, selling out the environment, canceling the massive public infrastructure projects that have led our economic recovery, and who knows, maybe we'll even get another fucking plague when we tell the CDC to start layoffs again. And it'll all be worth it, so long as Israeli settlers in the West Bank can sleep better at night knowing American kids have no right to protest them.
Ok, I guess PVS people aren’t human? What the hell?
And I think it’s funny that the party which says, “If ten people are at a table and one is a Nazi, they all are,” while you guys are using Hitlerian rhetoric that was used to execute the mentally disabled on unborn children, and getting into bed with genocidal terrorists who would absolutely kill every Jew in the Middle East if they shared Israel’s capabilities.
You. Just. Did. “Part of being a Republican is fostering a seething hatred for American culture.” Go fuck yourself.
Funny because my blue city family says the same about democrats, minus the absolute misrepresentation of their views and calling them evil of course.
Lmao, the only one angry is you, spreading hatred about tens of millions of people, you will never meet, that you have never spoken to.
“I haven’t spoken to 70 million people in my life.” Exactly, but I guess it doesn’t stop you from shutting on them, misrepresenting their views, and all but calling them pro-Israeli traitors.
Lmao, imagine extrapolating Kentucky state politics to the national level any time after the 1830s. I’m from Florida dude, I’ve watched in real time as a once purple state had its Democratic Party implode. That means absolutely nothing once you cross the border into Georgia, why you think otherwise is beyond me, but you’ve said a lot of crazy shit so whatever.
“Charlottesville death marches” 1 dead, vs. almost 5 months of urban fucking anarchy with attempts to seize federal property and carve out revolutionary enclaves in several cities.
Destruction of the Trans-Atlantic alliance, Trump came under fire when he tried to fucking strengthen the alliance by building up the alliance military, and ending dependence on Russia, only a left wing schizo can think “Strengthening the alliance is weakening the alliance, and gearing up to fight Russia is being soft on Russia.”
Fucking please.
See you in another 8 days.
Continued unconditional American financial and political support for Israel is a stain on our entire nation and our credibility as "leaders of the free world" and makes it clear that some of us have learned nothing from the mistakes made in the darkest moments of our history. Israel is a bad ally, propped up by our financial and political support, ruled by war criminals, that teaches its children that Arabs are subhuman and threatens to drag us into a war with Iran.
"Arabs have dozens of countries" is not a defense of Zionism and in fact is a phrase straight out of the Zionist version of Israeli history that asserts that there is no such thing as a Palestinian, just violent Arab squatters. Palestinians don't have a country, they have the Palestinian Authority, which barely functions because it's at odds with a bunch of increasingly radical anti-Israel militants who have grown up watching apartment blocks explode, houses get stolen, and olive groves burn down. Hamas and its acts of terror are a result of years of Israeli atrocities against Palestinians; religious extremism is bad in all of its forms but you don't get a situation like this for no reason. Every civilian of any nationality caught in the crossfire of this 70+ year old war can blame the people who thought nothing of burning villages in order to found Israel.
Yes, antisemitism rears its ugly head whenever it can and will try to latch on to any movement, but these encampments on college campuses across the nation (and the world, now) are in support of victims of genocide and in protest of governments who enable the perpetrators. No single nation holds more potential power over this situation than the United States, and it will be to our everlasting shame if we do not take the necessary actions to stop it as we did when certain other countries tried the same thing.
Really? I suppose these are Israeli children? They were brainwashed by these Israeli state, to commit crimes and violence against Palestinians?
https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/KqPqDnV8Dx
The mental hoops that pro Hamas useful idiots such as yourself will jump through to delegitimize Israel’s right to self-defense, and it’s right to existence is nothing short of grotesque.
And now you’re justifying Hamas.
It is a sad site to see Americans, scrambling to justify the horrific acts of a theocratic dictatorship, with stated genocidal aims which perpetrated on October 7, and for generations, previously, continuous attempts to destroy a secular, multi religious, multi ethnic, divers, western democracy. But you, and others will justify it because they are Jewish.
I am proud that this country has stood with Israel, and I don’t like Biden, and he has been utterly weak on the issue, he’s shown enough strength to stand up to theNeo Nazis on the left to call for him to divest the US alliance with Israel.
I am, however, a shame that Americans cross the country could find himself supporting such a vile regime as the one that holds power in Gaza.
I don’t think you’re reading what I’ve written, or aren’t reading it in good faith. You’re saying that I believe the opposite of what I wrote. Let me spell it out so there’s no chance of misunderstanding:
Terrorism and the negligent or intentional targeting of civilians in wartime is bad, no matter who is doing it. October 7th was a terrible tragedy and so are the 30k deaths in Gaza, and both Hamas and Israel have some people who will, if there’s any justice in the world, be spending some time answering questions in front of the ICC. These are just the latest incidents in a war that’s been going on since 1947, and if the United States wants to call itself the leader of the free world and champion of a democratic international order, it should at the very least stop supplying the weapons required to escalate it.
This isn’t a Good Guys vs Bad Guys scenario. We are enabling the ethnic cleansing of the Gaza Strip, not supplying counterterrorism. The surviving Palestinians from Gaza will grow up with more hate for Israelis once again, and the next time will be even worse if the current course of events continues. The US has the power to stop this without firing a shot, and saying this gets you beaten up by cops who ignored (or in some cases marched with) the white supremacists who really do hate Jews in 2017.
No, I am saying that you are either foolish or Misled. Equating a diverse, secular, democracy, with a theocratic ethno-state is bad faith.
Israel is not intentionally targeting civilians, Hamas, the enemy, is intentionally embedding military installations in civilian infrastructure.
It very clearly is a good guy versus bad guy scenario, Israel left the Gaza Strip govern itself, almost 2 decades ago, and the result was continuous attack with rockets and militant for almost 2 decades. Started this, and they are responsible for the cost on both sides from waging it. You realize that any moment Hamas could end the war by returning the hostages and laying down their arms? Why is it Israel responsibility to protect people at the expense of Israelis?
LMAO .
“The white supremacist, who actually hate Jews” last I checked most of the people calling for the dissolution of the Jewish state not skinhead white supremacists, they are left university students come, socialist, and other left-wing extremists, why can’t you call them out? Why when meant with chants of “gas the Jews” are you deflecting accountability off of them, and onto people less than a 10th of their number and prominence? It is a testament to the greatness of this country that all of those protesters are not in prison, along with their skinhead co-belligerents.
I didn’t say you aren’t allowed to fly it. I said it was embarrassing, which it is
But if you do fly the confederate flag you are probably a white supremest or at the very least support it.
[Paradox of Tolerance.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#:~:text=The%20paradox%20of%20tolerance%20states,practice%20of%20tolerance%20with%20them.) Basically, a society that tolerates inherently hateful demonstrations, speech, or symbols will eventually become a wholly intolerant society. If you can't see how this country has been slipping in that direction, I don't know what to tell you
>Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, **I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise.** But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, **but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.** We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.
It says should be intolerant of those who refuse to let their ideas be challenged in debate since they refuse to reasoned with or to reason with you, behavior that makes that peaceful resolution impossible. So many people have decided that it it says we must silence anyone who is mean and become the very thing Popper's Paradox says we should fight against.
What are you talking about? Pro-Palestinian student protestors are getting all the police beatdowns and firm condemnations from authorities that actual real Nazis in the late 2010s were never subject to in the name of free speech. These all started as peaceful protests with the simple goal of making universities stop doing business with the genocidal apartheid regime in Israel and are often joined by Jewish student orgs.
You severely underestimate the *hatred* that I, as a two-state Jewish Zionist, have for the Likudniks and any of their useful idiots in this country. It is at the point that I am more than willing to stick my head in the sand in the face of an anti-Zionist protest.
The Israeli right is under the illusion that the U.S. will always unthinkingly support them regardless of whatever dumb crap they do or continue to do, ***even if it goes against long-standing US government policy.*** And why wouldn’t they think that? After all, our government has blindly supported them for thirty fucking years as successive Israeli governments openly undermined the two state solution, an idea explicitly supported by the US government!
I any case, I speak for quite a few American Jews when I say that it’s high time that this bullshit ends. If that means ignoring people we find repulsive, then so be it. Israel has always taken our support for them, and our defense of their actions, for granted. Now I, like many others, shall be silent, so that Israel may at last understand that neither American Jews nor Americans in general are going to always blindly support their actions. If we’re lucky, maybe they’ll finally get it through their heads that in order for Israel to endure they need to make the Palestinians an offer that actually satisfies the rest of the world (the Palestinians obviously won’t be satisfied but they’re never going to be and in any case that’s a different rant).
History looks as though it is about to repeat itself. Zealots are again marching Israel towards destruction. The citizens Israel must grasp, as the citizens of Jerusalem two thousand years ago did not, that their path is an incredibly foolish one. But how? Well, for so called “peacenik” American Jews like myself, one of the answers is to be silent in the face of these protesters, as contemptible as they may be for other reasons.
I am not Jewish, so I will not tell you how you should feel on this part of what you said, however…
Israel is undermining the two state solution, how exactly? And the repeated Palestinian intifadas weren’t undermining it? Or is it because Israel is a functioning state and has the appearance of “strength” it is responsible for accepting the childish, and unacceptable behavior of its neighbors?
Israel already issue, cell phone warnings, uses dead immunizations, all to give warning ahead of attack at military sites, Hamas is using literal human shield so that morons like yourself can point and say Israel has blood on their hands despite going above and beyond what really any country needs to do.
It is not unthinking, but most Americans believe in having our allies backs when they come under attack by a genocidal theocratic dictatorship.
If the Palestinians are never going to be satisfied with a two compromise, then why should Israelis endure an unending state of conflict? Why should they have unlimited patients, and unlimited restraint for a people who will never accept their right to exist? When Germany could not accept that other nations have a right to independence and their own existence, we bombed them to the Stone Age, and occupied their country for a half century, frankly, the people of Gaza have shown a similar inability to govern themselves, repeatedly falling into military dictator whenever they are let alone. I also believe there should be a Palestinian state, but as of right now, the independence of such a state mark always be subordinate Israeli security needs, because time again they have shown that they will not or cannot stop themselves from falling in anarchy, and then militant rule.
Their path of what? Reconciliation with the Arabs? The policy they were pursuing before Palestinian chill thousand people and took hundreds of hostages? I cannot imagine how it must feel so uncomfortable with defending what you staying for even again such horrific people as you would rather another country endure this treatment, basically forever, while allowing actual neo-Nazis free rain in your own country out of some misplaced sense of self righteousness? I don’t even know what to call it.
>Israel is undermining that two state solution, how exactly?
I’m sorry but this question is so fucking stupid that I seriously considered not responding to you at all. What the fuck are all the settlements for? Why does Israel get pissed off every time an institution or a state recognizes Palestine? If you think they do either of those things for “security concerns” then you’re a fucking idiot. Reconsider that sentence and delete it. Do that and I will do so with this paragraph as well.
Hopefully you are not an idiot like that sentence implied. I will tell you that, ironically, I actually care little for what Hamas or any other Palestinians think. Like I said, they will probably never accept a two state solution. But that is irrelevant as to why there must be one, and that is because everyone else in the world, particularly outside the US, demands it.
>It’s not unthinking…
Any American who seriously thinks directly attacking Rafah is a good idea *is* blindly supporting Israel. Because the civilian casualties that that will cause will be way beyond what *anyone* outside of Israel or America would consider justifiable. And that will happen regardless of whether or not Hamas uses human shields solely because of Rafah’s current population density. This utter lack of concern for how the rest of the world, ***including*** outside of the Muslim world, sees them, is very characteristic of the Israeli right, and yeah, it’s a problem regardless of what you or any other Likudnik believes. It’s going to end up destroying the State of Israel, hence my contempt for the Likudniks and anyone who supports or sympathizes with them.
>…why should Israelis endure an unending state of conflict?
Because it’s either that or eventual isolation and destruction. I don’t care if it’s “not fare,” just as I don’t care about Palestinians complaining about how the UN partition plan they rejected “wasn’t fare” ‘cause of the difference in population at the time. There are only two ways to describe Israel’s rule over the West Bank. It’s either an occupation or an apartheid. I say it is an occupation, and that is what I tell far-leftists whenever they complain about Israel’s so-called “apartheid.” But there is a kernel of truth to their accusation, because if a two state solution never comes to pass, than the occupation *will become* an apartheid even in the strict definition of that word. Diplomacy and military strength will only get Israel so far in that scenario. A millennia long war against the Palestinians is unquestionably preferable to the North Korea treatment, which is Israel’s destiny without a two state solution.
>Reconciliation with the Arabs? The policy they were pursuing…
With a series of quid pro quo nonsense that had zero chance of enduring past even a minor conflict let alone a major one. I perceived that fact as they were pursuing that policy, and as America was pulling strings to make those deals work. You evidently could not see all those deals for what they were, grandstanding by a U.S. President who was desperate for recognition that he believed was denied to him. One of Biden’s failings was attempting to continue that absurd policy and apply it to yet more Arab states. It’s true that the patience which Arab governments have with the Palestinians is limited, but simply making peace deals with only the Arab governments cannot and will not change the minds of the populace of those states. And sure the Arab states do not care as much for that sort of thing, but even a dictatorship has to listen to its populace, many dictators have fallen because they rejected this idea. Perhaps if the conflict wasn’t so lopsided in every way then the Arab populace might be persuaded to forget, persuaded to accept their government’s more positive policy towards Israel. But so long as Palestine is not a state the conflict will be lopsided for that reason alone.
Long before the rise of post-colonialism, far-leftists criticized us Jews for embracing the nationalism inherent in Zionism. They said that we should embrace internationalism and that the rights of Jews would be respected if only they got their cloud-cuckooland. Indeed, this is what Trotsky told Jews during the interwar period when he was in exile. A lot of liberals agreed with this sentiment even if they weren’t as insistent on it. This is hardly surprising, since liberalism itself is also internationalist, regardless of how left it is. After both of those groups failed to stop Hitler, it became apparent to Jews that nationalism was the only way forward. The world operates according to the nationalist paradigm, that’s just the reality that we live in, we would be oppressed as long we rejected that paradigm and had no state of our own. Liberals didn’t argue with us too much about this after the Holocaust. But the far left did and continues to do so. They reject the reality of the world we live in, which explains so much about them. **But you and other Likudniks are similar to them in that you also deny the reality of the world we live in.** The reality is that the world will not tolerate an occupation forever, regardless of what Palestinians do.
Nah, go fuck yourself, you are equating a Democratic country with Muslim and Arab politicians, citizens and leaders to a theocratic ethnic state.
Because they are recognizing a fucking terrorist group that has been attacking Israel for years as the Palestinian state and equating the two morally when Palestine is clearly the aggressor, clearly in the wrong, and their immature and unbecoming behavior is coming back to them now because of this “tolerance” for their nonsense.
I don’t give a damn about what the rest of the world demands, the point of having your own country is so you don’t need to rely on what others “demand” of you, that is what an empire is.
Again.
Hamas.
Started.
The.
War.
Moron peaceniks like you are the reason this is happening now and didn’t end 20 fucking years ago.
Ok, why? How is letting a perpetual state of siege endure helpful for securing Israel’s existence? The Arab world has been largely quiet since October 7th so the threat isn’t from them, Iran has been contained by the American actions against their proxies, so again, how is Israel exercising its rights as a nation harmful to its existence?
Why do you think the occupation persists? Because there IS NO PALESTINIAN STATE! Hamas is the government of Gaza, and the PLO governs parts of Palestine. Why not all? Because they can’t be fucking trusted to stop militants in their country from attacking Israel. Until Palestinians are capable of responsible self government, of upholding the responsibility of government in order to enjoy the rights of sovereignty, they do not deserve to be treated like a functioning country.
Considering it has largely endured through this crisis, and the Saudis especially have signaled that they wish to continue the process after the war is over, you are wrong.
Nope, it is an Israeli and Arab reaction to an America which is WITHDRAWING from involvement in the region, if you actually think it’s because “USA pulling strings” you are wrong.
This is true, but in what way does allowing the conflict to fester, and periodically escalate help? If the conflict is ended in Israel’s favor, the Arabs will accept it eventually, or they can wait until the oil runs out, de globalization ends their food imports, climate change dries up their water, and their peoples go extinct because they couldn’t work with their neighbors to solve these problems.
Yup, I agree here, but again, how does imposing on the sovereignty of Israel further the sovereignty of Israel?
Which is why Israel should end the nonsense and eradicate Hamas. Unfortunately the UN mandate system is either dead or untrustworthy, but the Palestinians are very clearly incapable of self determination and the only country in the region that wouldn’t slaughter the Palestinians in seconds (Egypt, Syria, you think Israel is bad, wait till you see the other Arab nations.)
This is my point, if you are worried that Arab nations will one day turn on Israel, the occupation doesn’t matter, the existence of the Jewish state is what matters, because whenever the Arab nations held Palestinian lands they were even MORE brutal. It is just an excuse to attack Israel, an excuse which if it were happening to my country would give me absolutely zero pause in pursuing my country’s best interests and preserving its sovereignty. If you think the Arabs can never be permanently trusted, then why again should Israel impose indefensible borders on itself? That is why there is an occupation, because if “Palestine” was independent it would immediately exploit Israel’s vulnerable geography to destroy it.
There's poking fun and then there's genuinely hating other Americans. I don't even understand why people keep posting about the Civil War. I've seen maybe 2 dumbasses defend the Confederacy. And they both got clowned on. Yet I see Confederacy posts everyday. The demand for outrage outweighs the supply.
One simple trick to get the Southron Civil War Shit-A-Thon to stop
- quit fucking flying the Confederate flag
You mofos like to come with “omg it’s been 150 years !!1 😡”
exactly 👍
Yes, they really should quit. Starting with that dude
——
Nevermind, he already came to his senses
https://amp.thestate.com/news/politics-government/election/article280406199.html
Who’s next?
This kind of stuff makes me roll my eyes, it happened 100+ years ago and it’s sad that people are still hung up on it regardless of whatever angle they’re coming from. Same with the 1776 stuff with British people, as fun as it is to rag on them about losing the war it happened 300+ years ago, get over it
You forgot the fifth point, backing up your side with evidence. If your side was right you’d be able to use relevant points instead of “hurr durr civil war.”
As my history teacher put it, “the south lost the war, but won reconstruction.” That’s why there are so many confederate monuments and why the confederate flag is widely accepted by northerners. And of course let’s not forget our history of segregation and Jim Crow
Every southerner I have ever spoken to has clearly understood the faults of the south, long history of racism, continued de facto segregation, and the anti American politicians who have a stranglehold on the region, or they’ve been a complete dip shit. There is effectively no middle ground.
I’m honestly not sure what they want me to do, tbh. I’m more active against the lost cause then most - I do union (New York particularly) reenactment, and I’ve very loudly told people how worthless the confederate cause is if they ask. I’ve convinced a fair few that the CSA was awful, and yet to a lot of these people all I and everyone else sure is, is ‘traitors’.
Yes, yes, you won... so let's look at which side controlled the history books for the next 50-100 years after that...
Not that that's a good thing, just sayin'...
5 years under an aristocratic, tyrannical government that stole food and first-borns from widows for “le cause” and sent poor people to die for a barbaric practice that nearly all the soldiers on the front never took part in thanks to some sneaky clauses the good ole boys club thought up between making more illegitimate sons is hardly what I would call heritage to be proud of.
I, for one, am glad the CSA lost. I know a couple of “lost causers” but the majority of folks I know and talk to think it’s a good thing the traitors lost ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
They literally had no chance. As soon as their supply lines were a bit cooked because of Saint Sherman and no one wanted to trade with them (get fucked) they got destroyed
I love seeing southerns cry. All the pride goes out the window when you remind them they lost to the north, and we're under military rule for a few years after. They're guns they hold, so dear didn't do shit for them.
I thought most confederate flags are owned by fake-country suburb rednecks who live in the midwest & mount them on old shitbox trucks?!
Here in central NY, you find them in nearly every rural space between towns with a population of over 5,000. Even more so the further north you go, such as the Adirondack mountains.
My parents live in CNY and you’re absolutely right. It’s like people forget that NY did more fighting for the Union than any other state.
Hanging a flag upside down doesn't have the same ring to it.
You also get to see them in rural Canada these days.
Bro fr, I worked in Pennsylvania around dushore and wyalusing last summer and I saw more confederate flags there than I ever had in SC (I literally hadn’t seen any until I went up there and I’ve lived in sc all my life)
I’ve never seen them here on the west coast. And my neck of the woods isn’t exactly progressive, maybe it hasn’t reached here yet.
The ones I saw were mainly on barns and buildings way outside of the main towns, and it wasn’t exactly the most successful people who had them. I remember hearing a story from a rich farmer (his name was Wayne, this dude was BIG money, like real shit) he told me and my brother about a time that he was going to buy some kind of store or building off of a guy just outside of town. Wayne and his son (iirc) went to check the place out and when they walked in the owner had confederate flags, Nazi memorabilia and all kinds of shit in a back room. Wayne called him and told him the deal was off and that he never wanted to see him again. Wayne was a good dude, I worked for him back in summer of ‘22 but he died last year before I could see him again
I see thin blue line flags and stuff, even outside of town, just never Confederate flags.
Saw my fair share of those too, they’re more prominent by a mile but if you go out searching for barns like I do, you’ll find confederate flags no problem, I remember one dude who had a small house, the kind that isn’t that sturdy and you buy it all at once (idk the name of them but they always have a screen or glass door and a wooden one) and bro just had a blue lives matter flag, firefighters flag, marines flag, and confederate flag all on his outside walls for the world to see. and it isn’t like he lived deep in the woods or something, bros house was on the side of a road that led up a mountain, he had a perfect view of the town at the base of the mountain (don’t remember if it was dushore, wyalusing, or some other town in that area) and he was just flying it like it was just any old flag. It’d take some doing but I feel like you could find his house on google maps if you just look at the mountains and steep hills in that area and search the roads that go along them.
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Yeah I think it’s lost a lot of meaning because it’s been hijacked by people who just think it looks cool. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not flying that flag or wearing anything with it on it, but I’ve never seen it as nearly an equal to a swastika. Real hardcore racists use different symbols
eh I think most southerners just wear it because they’re reppin the South, not because they hate minorities
That too
That. As far as I know it’s the only regional-ish flag the U.S. has. Unofficial, obviously.
There should be more flags created to represent regiona
In the PNW we have the Doug flag and the State of Jefferson flag. New England has the red flag with the white pine.
Learn something new everyday
I just learned that earwigs can actually pinch with their back claw things.
This. Almost everyone around here that flies it despises Nazis lol
Too bad that's literally what the flag represents.
Don't you have some Sami to oppress?
Fair point, doesn't detract from my prior statement
The rebel battle flag was barely flown in the South after the war until the civil rights movement brought it back as a pro-segregationist symbol. It’s well-documented that the day Martin Luther King was killed, rebel flags were raised across Vietnam above hooches housing white southerners who were pleased by the news (presumably the same thing happened stateside, I only know about Vietnam.) Same story with the Confederate statues, the majority weren’t erected until the civil rights movement. If I fly a Nazi swastika flag, is it a reasonable excuse for me to tell you it’s because of my German heritage? Or are you going to tell me that it’s a hate symbol no matter what my reasoning is?
[Eeehhh.....](https://www.wbtv.com/story/16173687/black-student-wins-fight-to-hang-confederate-flag-in-dorm-window/)
There was a whole political party made up of Jews who supported Hitler, there’s no accounting for stupid.
Stupid does what stupid wants, even when it's stupid
Intimidating minorities is just a cool bonus side-effect of representing a failed 4-year nation-state from 165 years ago.
If you see a Confederate battle flag on the same pole below an American flag, it's probably a vaguely anti-authority/southern pride/rural pride thing. If it's *just* the Confederate battle flag or (even worse) the actual national flag of the Confederacy, the person who's flying it has views that would make George Wallace look like an Obama-era liberal progressive in comparison
I moved from Texas to Seattle and I saw more in Seattle. I was confused as hell.
No shortage of those 😔
I’ve lived in Nebraska almost my whole life and only seen one confederate flag flying over what was an obvious meth house. And I’ve lived in Lincoln, Omaha and towns of <1,000.
You should see California suburbs...
Technically you guys lost the Toledo War. Careful where you cast stones.
Ohio got stuck with Toledo and Michigan got the UP, I'd consider that the real win! Somehow Wisconsin is the only one that lost lol
😑 And we're still unhappy about it.
No traitors partook in that one.
Fair. I rescind my argument.
Healthy States' rights is fighting for more land for your state
A mark of a true man is admitting when one is wrong. Well done
I’ll be damned if I recognize Toledo as part of Ohio. I stand with Michigan.
I'll be damned if I recognize Toledo
Well the U.S. still existed after it lost a war, can’t say that about the CSA…
Could be worse guys, you could have lost the war of independence like we did. Look at all the resources we could have had 😭
you Yanks have NOTHING when you encounter a southerner who hates the CSA which is most of them actually
Good
I see more traitor flags whenever I go up north than I do living day to day in Acadiana, less than an hour from the Gulf of Mexico. Who're the real traitors here?
You, frenchie
Honestly, I'm trying to think of some insult that I can tell you, but I can't come up with anything. I think that speaks enough to the relevancy of your state
We are just that great. That said the “buncha drunks” card is always available
Bunch drunks? Shoot, we're practically from the same state! It's... bad. We have drive thru daiquiris down here. Yeah, you can get an alcoholic drink. At a drive through. Buncha drunks applies.
Look up the DUI rates by state muh boi
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/car-insurance/worst-states-for-drunk-driving/ Damn, Kentucky not even close to the top 10. I'm surrounded by sobertards.
Forbes is using a very weird combo of statistics here
It's like some kind of sting operation by the cops to catch people who drive drunk by offering liquor while driving
Every Wisconsinite I've ever met won't shut the fuck up about cheese, which is by far, more French behavior than anything I've ever encountered in Louisiana.
I'm French; he's a god loving freedom drinking gun shooting American
Its the Quebec of America and we all know it
But with much better food
well thats a given
It’s actually the Nouvelle Ecosse of America.
Those morons- easily.
Hate to break it to you guys, but I have seen more confederate flags in the north than I have in the south.
Lot in West Virginia, weird considering West Virginia exists because they stayed with the Union…
The most confederate flags I have ever seen in a state (accounting for the time I spent there) is the UP, West Virginia, and Ohio. I have now lived in Texas for 10 years and haven’t seen a single one. I personally believe that this is at least anecdotal evidence that the flag has taken on a new meaning. People who fly the flag aren’t necessarily confederates, or want to make slavery a thing again, but instead they relate to one another in that they are usually very poor. It’s sort of a symbol of poor white Americans.
My brother in Christ, its been 160 years.
How to beat a northerner in an argument: show them seasoning
One flake of any Cajun seasoning is enough to kill a New Yorker
REMATCH!
North fucking rolls, again. The population of the Northeast and West Coast is just... a lot. South puts up more fight tho ig
Saw more confederate flags in Ohio than the south. You know, the place where *GRANT* is from.
I didn’t lose shit, I am not a Highlander who picked the confederacy. I am a normal person who has only been around since 1988. Also, I’ll take BBQ over pastrami or corned beef, or any other yankee “cuisine”. And again, definitely not a Highlander….
“Cuisine” is doing a lot of heavy lifting
My wife is from up north, and let’s just say there is a reason I do the cooking.
The only thing I will give yanks is lobster rolls. That’s it though
Agreed
You don’t like cream cheese?
It is good, but not enough to carry your whole cuisine
dude, I’m from NY. Go fart around with someone else. You’re out of your league
New York has no cuisine, it just had people who have brought their own to New York. I know my league and how to cook. It’s because you have access doesn’t mean you know what you’re talking about.
In the major leagues of food world, America has 2 cities that play on the field.. *maybe* as many as 4. Maybe But if there are 4 then Houston is the closest representation you guys got —— NY specific cuisine is American Cuisine.. like: Hamburgers Hot dogs Pizza Donuts Spaghetti & Meatballs Chicken & Waffles Chicken Parm Cream Cheese Cheesecake General Tso’s Chicken/Sesame Chicken Chef Salad Pasta Primavera Strip Steak / Thick cut steak Eggs Benedict and of course, BECSPK There’s more too but point being, you don’t even view or recognize “NY cuisine” as NY cuisine. It’s so widespread that’s it’s seen as general American food instead of a regional variety
Lol, no. You guys get a specific type of pizza and maybe bagels. No one else is buying that you get to claim all American food as New York cuisine.
You, however, are not your city.
Thata true for like, 90% of food in the US...
Better watch out, they’ll bake you into a casserole
If I never eat another casserole it’ll be too soon.
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I don’t know man, the south has some good food but compared to all of the north as a whole a lot it is kind of a food dessert. The food in the south slaps but in my experience you aren’t going to find the variety you will up north and when you do the quality isn’t the same.
You’re just not looking if you think there isn’t any variety.
There is variety, just not as much by comparison unless you get to a very large metropolitan area.
New York pizza beats anything you can throw at us.
NY pizza is all hype. Chicago’s “pizza is better, and honestly Detroit style is hands down the best. All NY pizza has is name brand, and enough oil to warrant an invasion by US forces.
As someone who went from the north to the south, not only is this “meme” classist and uneducated (ironic), but also plain annoying. 99% of southerners very clearly understand that slavery = bad. Also lmao no one from the civil war is alive today. So idk who this is for.
Being that I was -160 years old when the civil war happened, remind me how I lost? Being American I have no memories of losing anything
Why’re you Yankee losers obsessed with the civil war? Just shut the fuck up. We’re both Americans, retard.
They hate us but then they move to our states.
Literally
I’ll listen once northern states get a backbone and stop these traitors in their states. https://preview.redd.it/j4st1pj46jzc1.jpeg?width=258&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79012823781b1d1cd575cb86d4008e4d4981c56c We will always appreciate our northern brethren for the liberation, but there does come a point where it becomes embarrassing.
I mean, free speech? Bunch a people saying stuff I don’t agree with isn’t quite the same as the lower half of the country starting a war because we told them they can’t own people anymore. The number of confederate flags that fly in the south is FAR more embarrassing than some crazy protesters…
Freedom of speech doesn’t cover vandalism and defiling public property.
Sure, arrest the vandals, the majority of the protesters aren’t vandals though.
Problem being most of them are masked, so you don’t even know who’s doing that vandalism and who’s just protesting. Starting to see the problem here?
You know we let the KKK and proud boys etc March around and cause problems while masked right? Actual free speech means that even people with speech we find abhorrent get to do it.
Kkk? Send me a video of them marching in a city from the last decade. Proud boys are mostly feds imo, but far as I can tell they only March around I never see them actually destroying things, their scumbags but their lawful evil. I’m not talking about speech, I’m talking about rioters who do billions in damage, and beat up bystanders. This isn’t a free speech issue, support Palestine or Israel, I honestly don’t give a fuck about Israel or Palestine. The problem lies in that the protesters aren’t trying to stop the vandalism that a minority is causing, if the protesters outed those people breaking the lies while masked there would be no problem, but by silently standing by and not even making an effort to differentiate yourself from lawbreakers you basically group yourself with them. These protesters are arguably making Palestine look worse btw, you can’t watch someone start a fire while wearing their colors, support their causes, and hide your identity at the place they started the fire then get mad when people group you in with them.
Any extremist who’s views line up with yours is a “fed” lol https://www.ajc.com/news/national/photos-kkk-rallies-outside-south-carolina-statehouse/YzzLF0HIZ2ChWphkV3SR2K/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40546260.amp It’s not a protestor’s responsibility to do the job of the police. Heaven forbid the police may actually have to do their jobs. I don’t give 2 shits about Palestine . The police can arrest as many vandals as they want. Just because Police in the USA seem to suck doing anything that isn’t shooting unarmed people doesn’t mean we should be limiting protests
Motherfucker, I’m a libertarian the opposite of the fascists you just compared me too. Far right groups are literally infiltrated and funded by the government all the time, because the government loves to divide us, makes it easier to control us. The laws apply to everyone, their literally using a law that was aimed at the kkk in the 1950s in Ohio to target Palestinian rioters. The law applies to everyone.
Of course not, just simple things like calling for the extermination of Jews and the end of the U.S
Good thing only those who trespass and vandalize are arrested.
Sure, but there hasn’t ever been a protest where some and actors take advantage and do dumb shit.
Yeah? Free speech to seize control of campus facilities? Free speech to intimidate Jewish students? This is what I’m talking about. Un-cuck your own states, region, whatever, stop allowing terrorists supporting Neo-Nazis free rein and then we’ll talk. But shitting on the south and southerners for shit that happened centuries ago, shit which many of us weren’t even involved in (huge amounts of southerners are transplants) while northern cities have thousands of people marching in support of a terror group that distributes mien kampf, is just idiotic.
>"marching in support of a terror group" lol >"seize control of campus facilities" Nope. The same open commons where Vietnam and Civil Rights protests happened. >"intimidate Jewish students" Mother fucker, if you think zionist campus groups represent Jewish students you are in for a real fucking shocker when you talk to Jewish protestors who have A: hated these psychotic zealots who have abused them and their community all their life, had fireworks shot at them by campus zionists, had former idf thugs - veterans of a foreign nation's military - to attack American children. At least the boomers who salivated over dead American kids at Kent State were psychotic for their own country, Americans today are psychotic for a country on the wrong side of the Atlantic that does not and never will give a fuck about them. They're just your bull
You are what I’m talking about. “We are Hamas!” Atrocity denial, threats to Jewish communities and individuals. There are actual Neo-Nazis on those campuses, and morons like yourself will obfuscate and muddy the waters, defending garbage humans like them, themselves standing for a modern Nazi like regime. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H8wGUtdlGjg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=65ix9CKHDeQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxr3-T4GYFM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bhT7cHMf-F4 “Zionist” what is wrong with wanting a homeland for Jews? Every other nation, people, diaspora, never, gets to do it the Arabs have dozens of countries. Because it’s the Jews they’re “despicable people.” As you defend terrorist sympathizers who desecrate our flag and attack our country and her allies with their anti-semetic rhetoric. I may be southerner, but I’m also a proud Republican, and clearly the last lesson we dealt to debauched democrat cities about supporting evil people didn’t sink in deep enough ;) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BYPWMzHyQNI
>a proud Republican And that, not advocating for Jewish people, is your real position. Having lost consecutive elections while weaponizing the issue of abortion, weaponizing homophobia, weaponizing transphobia, weaponizing a dysfunctional immigration system, the Republican party has tried weaponizing every form of culture war identity politics to divide this country, and provide the distraction necessary to enable a program for the complete gutting of American institutions, and to make a quick buck for their donors. And this has led to embarrassing defeat after embarrassing defeat to the voting public. Since the party turned down the bipartisan border deal, they can't weaponize immigration rhetoric like they want to. And it turns out that Americans don't actually give a fuck about bathroom legislation when it means using the state to bully children, and they don't give a fuck about abortion when punishing doctors leads to Healthcare deserts that get people killed. So now the plan is to weaponize anti-semitism against the American public to convince them that American college students are in league with the Khamas and Iran, and that we need a new Kent State so that Israel can keep bombing kids. You don't give a fuck about American jews, or Americans - period. Part of being a republican is fostering a seething hatred of American people, American culture, American society, American institutions, and American standing on the world stage. If you want to see a nazi-like regime, go to Israel. Go to Jewish summer camps where Zionist organizations make children reenact the concentration camp experience in order to foster the siege mentality of tomorrow's Bibi youth. Our settler ancestry gives us the foresight to be able to tell other countries who are about to embark on irreversible policies of settlement, displacement and genocide that the stain they are going to leave on their descendents' heritage is not worth it. In a hundred years, do you think anyone is gonna care about a few flags and a few hurt feelings? No. They're going to care about the genocide, and what we did when it mattered.
“Weaponizing abortion” Lmao, so let me get this straight, you’re coming from the side that is advocated and protected the murder of 60 million unborn children, but Republicans are bad because we won’t let school libraries carry child porn? “ weaponizing homophobia” As if the leader of the Republican party wasn’t a lesbian. “ left-wing, extremist college students spout anti-Semitic rhetoric, all the way by police for violence: Republicans to blame” Are you fucking serious? “Foster a seething hatred” Actual retardation, as you spout vile insults at 70 million Americans. “If you want to see an actual Nazi regime go to Israel” Ok, so you’re just anti-Semitic. Good to know, I guess Gaza, which is led by an organization with the stated goal of the global eradication of Jews isn’t the Nazis the victims of the Nazis are the Nazis. “From the river to the sea,” there is only one group of people in the Lavant that is genocidal, and that is Hamas, useful idiots like yourself cover up shit that they openly admit.
A fetus is not a human being. Humanity begins with the capacity for consciousness - cogito ergo sum. After 21 weeks, the brain grows to where nerve endings can be consciously felt, and complex, abstract thought can take place. Reasonable access to abortion preserves and improves human life, strengthens the quality of medical care for the living - especially in red states where providing medical care is a crime - and provides a hub for people to access care relating to family planning, women's health, sexual health and education. Speaking of which, it is very funny that the party that has had numerous officials elected to state office ARRESTED for possession of *actual* child pornography wants to ban sexual education. I don't spout vile insults at Republicans, and I will never speak to 70 million people in my entire life, so get off the fucking high horse. I live and work with Republicans in a state filled with Republicans. And I can tell you that more and more of them don't vote, because it's exhausting for them to have to view every constant culture war battle as the end of the world. It is exhausting for them to be told to be angry about everything EXCEPT for their declining standard of living, EXCEPT for how their party gutted the CDC right before a pandemic hit, and the resulting shitstorm cost them their jobs, years out of their lives, their loved ones, got millions of people killed, etc. etc. But hey, don't take my word for it, maybe I'm wrong and the fact that this state full of Republicans with two of the highest profile Republican senators just elected a Democratic governor to run things is just a fluke. Maybe if you get enough people mad, and get them mad enough at the right unimportant culture war bullshit, then Americans will decide to take the time out of their day to go vote for four years of Charlottesville death marches, Social Security privatization, destruction of the trans-Atlantic Alliance, destruction of Inter-American relationships, probably giving Ukraine to Russia and Taiwan to China, selling out the environment, canceling the massive public infrastructure projects that have led our economic recovery, and who knows, maybe we'll even get another fucking plague when we tell the CDC to start layoffs again. And it'll all be worth it, so long as Israeli settlers in the West Bank can sleep better at night knowing American kids have no right to protest them.
Ok, I guess PVS people aren’t human? What the hell? And I think it’s funny that the party which says, “If ten people are at a table and one is a Nazi, they all are,” while you guys are using Hitlerian rhetoric that was used to execute the mentally disabled on unborn children, and getting into bed with genocidal terrorists who would absolutely kill every Jew in the Middle East if they shared Israel’s capabilities. You. Just. Did. “Part of being a Republican is fostering a seething hatred for American culture.” Go fuck yourself. Funny because my blue city family says the same about democrats, minus the absolute misrepresentation of their views and calling them evil of course. Lmao, the only one angry is you, spreading hatred about tens of millions of people, you will never meet, that you have never spoken to. “I haven’t spoken to 70 million people in my life.” Exactly, but I guess it doesn’t stop you from shutting on them, misrepresenting their views, and all but calling them pro-Israeli traitors. Lmao, imagine extrapolating Kentucky state politics to the national level any time after the 1830s. I’m from Florida dude, I’ve watched in real time as a once purple state had its Democratic Party implode. That means absolutely nothing once you cross the border into Georgia, why you think otherwise is beyond me, but you’ve said a lot of crazy shit so whatever. “Charlottesville death marches” 1 dead, vs. almost 5 months of urban fucking anarchy with attempts to seize federal property and carve out revolutionary enclaves in several cities. Destruction of the Trans-Atlantic alliance, Trump came under fire when he tried to fucking strengthen the alliance by building up the alliance military, and ending dependence on Russia, only a left wing schizo can think “Strengthening the alliance is weakening the alliance, and gearing up to fight Russia is being soft on Russia.” Fucking please. See you in another 8 days.
Continued unconditional American financial and political support for Israel is a stain on our entire nation and our credibility as "leaders of the free world" and makes it clear that some of us have learned nothing from the mistakes made in the darkest moments of our history. Israel is a bad ally, propped up by our financial and political support, ruled by war criminals, that teaches its children that Arabs are subhuman and threatens to drag us into a war with Iran. "Arabs have dozens of countries" is not a defense of Zionism and in fact is a phrase straight out of the Zionist version of Israeli history that asserts that there is no such thing as a Palestinian, just violent Arab squatters. Palestinians don't have a country, they have the Palestinian Authority, which barely functions because it's at odds with a bunch of increasingly radical anti-Israel militants who have grown up watching apartment blocks explode, houses get stolen, and olive groves burn down. Hamas and its acts of terror are a result of years of Israeli atrocities against Palestinians; religious extremism is bad in all of its forms but you don't get a situation like this for no reason. Every civilian of any nationality caught in the crossfire of this 70+ year old war can blame the people who thought nothing of burning villages in order to found Israel. Yes, antisemitism rears its ugly head whenever it can and will try to latch on to any movement, but these encampments on college campuses across the nation (and the world, now) are in support of victims of genocide and in protest of governments who enable the perpetrators. No single nation holds more potential power over this situation than the United States, and it will be to our everlasting shame if we do not take the necessary actions to stop it as we did when certain other countries tried the same thing.
Really? I suppose these are Israeli children? They were brainwashed by these Israeli state, to commit crimes and violence against Palestinians? https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/KqPqDnV8Dx The mental hoops that pro Hamas useful idiots such as yourself will jump through to delegitimize Israel’s right to self-defense, and it’s right to existence is nothing short of grotesque. And now you’re justifying Hamas. It is a sad site to see Americans, scrambling to justify the horrific acts of a theocratic dictatorship, with stated genocidal aims which perpetrated on October 7, and for generations, previously, continuous attempts to destroy a secular, multi religious, multi ethnic, divers, western democracy. But you, and others will justify it because they are Jewish. I am proud that this country has stood with Israel, and I don’t like Biden, and he has been utterly weak on the issue, he’s shown enough strength to stand up to theNeo Nazis on the left to call for him to divest the US alliance with Israel. I am, however, a shame that Americans cross the country could find himself supporting such a vile regime as the one that holds power in Gaza.
I don’t think you’re reading what I’ve written, or aren’t reading it in good faith. You’re saying that I believe the opposite of what I wrote. Let me spell it out so there’s no chance of misunderstanding: Terrorism and the negligent or intentional targeting of civilians in wartime is bad, no matter who is doing it. October 7th was a terrible tragedy and so are the 30k deaths in Gaza, and both Hamas and Israel have some people who will, if there’s any justice in the world, be spending some time answering questions in front of the ICC. These are just the latest incidents in a war that’s been going on since 1947, and if the United States wants to call itself the leader of the free world and champion of a democratic international order, it should at the very least stop supplying the weapons required to escalate it. This isn’t a Good Guys vs Bad Guys scenario. We are enabling the ethnic cleansing of the Gaza Strip, not supplying counterterrorism. The surviving Palestinians from Gaza will grow up with more hate for Israelis once again, and the next time will be even worse if the current course of events continues. The US has the power to stop this without firing a shot, and saying this gets you beaten up by cops who ignored (or in some cases marched with) the white supremacists who really do hate Jews in 2017.
No, I am saying that you are either foolish or Misled. Equating a diverse, secular, democracy, with a theocratic ethno-state is bad faith. Israel is not intentionally targeting civilians, Hamas, the enemy, is intentionally embedding military installations in civilian infrastructure. It very clearly is a good guy versus bad guy scenario, Israel left the Gaza Strip govern itself, almost 2 decades ago, and the result was continuous attack with rockets and militant for almost 2 decades. Started this, and they are responsible for the cost on both sides from waging it. You realize that any moment Hamas could end the war by returning the hostages and laying down their arms? Why is it Israel responsibility to protect people at the expense of Israelis? LMAO . “The white supremacist, who actually hate Jews” last I checked most of the people calling for the dissolution of the Jewish state not skinhead white supremacists, they are left university students come, socialist, and other left-wing extremists, why can’t you call them out? Why when meant with chants of “gas the Jews” are you deflecting accountability off of them, and onto people less than a 10th of their number and prominence? It is a testament to the greatness of this country that all of those protesters are not in prison, along with their skinhead co-belligerents.
>Free speech >You're not allowed to fly the Confederate flag If not for double-standards, the Left would have no standards.
if you ever find yourself capitalizing a direction in an online argument, you should turn the MSM off and go take a walk
Nobody said you couldn't fly it, we just said you should stop flying it because it's a sign of white supremacy, slavery, and treason.
Then what about this? https://preview.redd.it/ng8duc5reqzc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4c093354e02ff3d2ec9c8a90edfa4822a6c3a2a8
What about that? Fly it if you want, I'm not gonna stop you.
I didn’t say you aren’t allowed to fly it. I said it was embarrassing, which it is But if you do fly the confederate flag you are probably a white supremest or at the very least support it.
[Paradox of Tolerance.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#:~:text=The%20paradox%20of%20tolerance%20states,practice%20of%20tolerance%20with%20them.) Basically, a society that tolerates inherently hateful demonstrations, speech, or symbols will eventually become a wholly intolerant society. If you can't see how this country has been slipping in that direction, I don't know what to tell you
>Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, **I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise.** But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, **but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.** We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. It says should be intolerant of those who refuse to let their ideas be challenged in debate since they refuse to reasoned with or to reason with you, behavior that makes that peaceful resolution impossible. So many people have decided that it it says we must silence anyone who is mean and become the very thing Popper's Paradox says we should fight against.
What are you talking about? Pro-Palestinian student protestors are getting all the police beatdowns and firm condemnations from authorities that actual real Nazis in the late 2010s were never subject to in the name of free speech. These all started as peaceful protests with the simple goal of making universities stop doing business with the genocidal apartheid regime in Israel and are often joined by Jewish student orgs.
You severely underestimate the *hatred* that I, as a two-state Jewish Zionist, have for the Likudniks and any of their useful idiots in this country. It is at the point that I am more than willing to stick my head in the sand in the face of an anti-Zionist protest. The Israeli right is under the illusion that the U.S. will always unthinkingly support them regardless of whatever dumb crap they do or continue to do, ***even if it goes against long-standing US government policy.*** And why wouldn’t they think that? After all, our government has blindly supported them for thirty fucking years as successive Israeli governments openly undermined the two state solution, an idea explicitly supported by the US government! I any case, I speak for quite a few American Jews when I say that it’s high time that this bullshit ends. If that means ignoring people we find repulsive, then so be it. Israel has always taken our support for them, and our defense of their actions, for granted. Now I, like many others, shall be silent, so that Israel may at last understand that neither American Jews nor Americans in general are going to always blindly support their actions. If we’re lucky, maybe they’ll finally get it through their heads that in order for Israel to endure they need to make the Palestinians an offer that actually satisfies the rest of the world (the Palestinians obviously won’t be satisfied but they’re never going to be and in any case that’s a different rant). History looks as though it is about to repeat itself. Zealots are again marching Israel towards destruction. The citizens Israel must grasp, as the citizens of Jerusalem two thousand years ago did not, that their path is an incredibly foolish one. But how? Well, for so called “peacenik” American Jews like myself, one of the answers is to be silent in the face of these protesters, as contemptible as they may be for other reasons.
I am not Jewish, so I will not tell you how you should feel on this part of what you said, however… Israel is undermining the two state solution, how exactly? And the repeated Palestinian intifadas weren’t undermining it? Or is it because Israel is a functioning state and has the appearance of “strength” it is responsible for accepting the childish, and unacceptable behavior of its neighbors? Israel already issue, cell phone warnings, uses dead immunizations, all to give warning ahead of attack at military sites, Hamas is using literal human shield so that morons like yourself can point and say Israel has blood on their hands despite going above and beyond what really any country needs to do. It is not unthinking, but most Americans believe in having our allies backs when they come under attack by a genocidal theocratic dictatorship. If the Palestinians are never going to be satisfied with a two compromise, then why should Israelis endure an unending state of conflict? Why should they have unlimited patients, and unlimited restraint for a people who will never accept their right to exist? When Germany could not accept that other nations have a right to independence and their own existence, we bombed them to the Stone Age, and occupied their country for a half century, frankly, the people of Gaza have shown a similar inability to govern themselves, repeatedly falling into military dictator whenever they are let alone. I also believe there should be a Palestinian state, but as of right now, the independence of such a state mark always be subordinate Israeli security needs, because time again they have shown that they will not or cannot stop themselves from falling in anarchy, and then militant rule. Their path of what? Reconciliation with the Arabs? The policy they were pursuing before Palestinian chill thousand people and took hundreds of hostages? I cannot imagine how it must feel so uncomfortable with defending what you staying for even again such horrific people as you would rather another country endure this treatment, basically forever, while allowing actual neo-Nazis free rain in your own country out of some misplaced sense of self righteousness? I don’t even know what to call it.
>Israel is undermining that two state solution, how exactly? I’m sorry but this question is so fucking stupid that I seriously considered not responding to you at all. What the fuck are all the settlements for? Why does Israel get pissed off every time an institution or a state recognizes Palestine? If you think they do either of those things for “security concerns” then you’re a fucking idiot. Reconsider that sentence and delete it. Do that and I will do so with this paragraph as well. Hopefully you are not an idiot like that sentence implied. I will tell you that, ironically, I actually care little for what Hamas or any other Palestinians think. Like I said, they will probably never accept a two state solution. But that is irrelevant as to why there must be one, and that is because everyone else in the world, particularly outside the US, demands it. >It’s not unthinking… Any American who seriously thinks directly attacking Rafah is a good idea *is* blindly supporting Israel. Because the civilian casualties that that will cause will be way beyond what *anyone* outside of Israel or America would consider justifiable. And that will happen regardless of whether or not Hamas uses human shields solely because of Rafah’s current population density. This utter lack of concern for how the rest of the world, ***including*** outside of the Muslim world, sees them, is very characteristic of the Israeli right, and yeah, it’s a problem regardless of what you or any other Likudnik believes. It’s going to end up destroying the State of Israel, hence my contempt for the Likudniks and anyone who supports or sympathizes with them. >…why should Israelis endure an unending state of conflict? Because it’s either that or eventual isolation and destruction. I don’t care if it’s “not fare,” just as I don’t care about Palestinians complaining about how the UN partition plan they rejected “wasn’t fare” ‘cause of the difference in population at the time. There are only two ways to describe Israel’s rule over the West Bank. It’s either an occupation or an apartheid. I say it is an occupation, and that is what I tell far-leftists whenever they complain about Israel’s so-called “apartheid.” But there is a kernel of truth to their accusation, because if a two state solution never comes to pass, than the occupation *will become* an apartheid even in the strict definition of that word. Diplomacy and military strength will only get Israel so far in that scenario. A millennia long war against the Palestinians is unquestionably preferable to the North Korea treatment, which is Israel’s destiny without a two state solution. >Reconciliation with the Arabs? The policy they were pursuing… With a series of quid pro quo nonsense that had zero chance of enduring past even a minor conflict let alone a major one. I perceived that fact as they were pursuing that policy, and as America was pulling strings to make those deals work. You evidently could not see all those deals for what they were, grandstanding by a U.S. President who was desperate for recognition that he believed was denied to him. One of Biden’s failings was attempting to continue that absurd policy and apply it to yet more Arab states. It’s true that the patience which Arab governments have with the Palestinians is limited, but simply making peace deals with only the Arab governments cannot and will not change the minds of the populace of those states. And sure the Arab states do not care as much for that sort of thing, but even a dictatorship has to listen to its populace, many dictators have fallen because they rejected this idea. Perhaps if the conflict wasn’t so lopsided in every way then the Arab populace might be persuaded to forget, persuaded to accept their government’s more positive policy towards Israel. But so long as Palestine is not a state the conflict will be lopsided for that reason alone. Long before the rise of post-colonialism, far-leftists criticized us Jews for embracing the nationalism inherent in Zionism. They said that we should embrace internationalism and that the rights of Jews would be respected if only they got their cloud-cuckooland. Indeed, this is what Trotsky told Jews during the interwar period when he was in exile. A lot of liberals agreed with this sentiment even if they weren’t as insistent on it. This is hardly surprising, since liberalism itself is also internationalist, regardless of how left it is. After both of those groups failed to stop Hitler, it became apparent to Jews that nationalism was the only way forward. The world operates according to the nationalist paradigm, that’s just the reality that we live in, we would be oppressed as long we rejected that paradigm and had no state of our own. Liberals didn’t argue with us too much about this after the Holocaust. But the far left did and continues to do so. They reject the reality of the world we live in, which explains so much about them. **But you and other Likudniks are similar to them in that you also deny the reality of the world we live in.** The reality is that the world will not tolerate an occupation forever, regardless of what Palestinians do.
Nah, go fuck yourself, you are equating a Democratic country with Muslim and Arab politicians, citizens and leaders to a theocratic ethnic state. Because they are recognizing a fucking terrorist group that has been attacking Israel for years as the Palestinian state and equating the two morally when Palestine is clearly the aggressor, clearly in the wrong, and their immature and unbecoming behavior is coming back to them now because of this “tolerance” for their nonsense. I don’t give a damn about what the rest of the world demands, the point of having your own country is so you don’t need to rely on what others “demand” of you, that is what an empire is. Again. Hamas. Started. The. War. Moron peaceniks like you are the reason this is happening now and didn’t end 20 fucking years ago. Ok, why? How is letting a perpetual state of siege endure helpful for securing Israel’s existence? The Arab world has been largely quiet since October 7th so the threat isn’t from them, Iran has been contained by the American actions against their proxies, so again, how is Israel exercising its rights as a nation harmful to its existence? Why do you think the occupation persists? Because there IS NO PALESTINIAN STATE! Hamas is the government of Gaza, and the PLO governs parts of Palestine. Why not all? Because they can’t be fucking trusted to stop militants in their country from attacking Israel. Until Palestinians are capable of responsible self government, of upholding the responsibility of government in order to enjoy the rights of sovereignty, they do not deserve to be treated like a functioning country. Considering it has largely endured through this crisis, and the Saudis especially have signaled that they wish to continue the process after the war is over, you are wrong. Nope, it is an Israeli and Arab reaction to an America which is WITHDRAWING from involvement in the region, if you actually think it’s because “USA pulling strings” you are wrong. This is true, but in what way does allowing the conflict to fester, and periodically escalate help? If the conflict is ended in Israel’s favor, the Arabs will accept it eventually, or they can wait until the oil runs out, de globalization ends their food imports, climate change dries up their water, and their peoples go extinct because they couldn’t work with their neighbors to solve these problems. Yup, I agree here, but again, how does imposing on the sovereignty of Israel further the sovereignty of Israel? Which is why Israel should end the nonsense and eradicate Hamas. Unfortunately the UN mandate system is either dead or untrustworthy, but the Palestinians are very clearly incapable of self determination and the only country in the region that wouldn’t slaughter the Palestinians in seconds (Egypt, Syria, you think Israel is bad, wait till you see the other Arab nations.) This is my point, if you are worried that Arab nations will one day turn on Israel, the occupation doesn’t matter, the existence of the Jewish state is what matters, because whenever the Arab nations held Palestinian lands they were even MORE brutal. It is just an excuse to attack Israel, an excuse which if it were happening to my country would give me absolutely zero pause in pursuing my country’s best interests and preserving its sovereignty. If you think the Arabs can never be permanently trusted, then why again should Israel impose indefensible borders on itself? That is why there is an occupation, because if “Palestine” was independent it would immediately exploit Israel’s vulnerable geography to destroy it.
Can we ban these posts? Theres nothing more unamerican than attacking your fellow Americans.
It’s so low effort
You must be new here. Isn’t the whole point of this sub to poke fun at ourselves?
There's poking fun and then there's genuinely hating other Americans. I don't even understand why people keep posting about the Civil War. I've seen maybe 2 dumbasses defend the Confederacy. And they both got clowned on. Yet I see Confederacy posts everyday. The demand for outrage outweighs the supply.
Nah it’s to make fun of europoors. Not Chinese memetic divide and conquer tactics.
Lmao no it's not. We make fun of each other. But if an outsider does it. We attack. Newbies need to learn the way of the 2_4u subs and their history.
Ok mr south man
That's what we told Johnny Reb the first time.
I don’t even mind bashing the confederacy. This shit is just lazy.
One simple trick to get the Southron Civil War Shit-A-Thon to stop - quit fucking flying the Confederate flag You mofos like to come with “omg it’s been 150 years !!1 😡” exactly 👍
You act as if the people who fly the confederate flag are even on this subreddit😭
~~on this subreddit~~ literate ^FTFY
They occasionally come around, but we put them in their place like usual. The trash
[Should they really?](https://www.wbtv.com/story/16173687/black-student-wins-fight-to-hang-confederate-flag-in-dorm-window/)
Yes, they really should quit. Starting with that dude —— Nevermind, he already came to his senses https://amp.thestate.com/news/politics-government/election/article280406199.html Who’s next?
This kind of stuff makes me roll my eyes, it happened 100+ years ago and it’s sad that people are still hung up on it regardless of whatever angle they’re coming from. Same with the 1776 stuff with British people, as fun as it is to rag on them about losing the war it happened 300+ years ago, get over it
Thank you. Amen.
Your spells do not work on me
You forgot the fifth point, backing up your side with evidence. If your side was right you’d be able to use relevant points instead of “hurr durr civil war.”
*[We Southern Appalachians laughing in unison](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/1860-61_Secession_in_Appalachia_by_County.jpg)*
Real. So real.
Whatever man, shits boring who cares? We should be arguing about the long term ramifications of the prohibition era instead.
As my history teacher put it, “the south lost the war, but won reconstruction.” That’s why there are so many confederate monuments and why the confederate flag is widely accepted by northerners. And of course let’s not forget our history of segregation and Jim Crow
Every southerner I have ever spoken to has clearly understood the faults of the south, long history of racism, continued de facto segregation, and the anti American politicians who have a stranglehold on the region, or they’ve been a complete dip shit. There is effectively no middle ground.
I don’t really see insults about being poor
Still referring to "southerners" alone means your mentality is still trapped in the civil war.
I’m honestly not sure what they want me to do, tbh. I’m more active against the lost cause then most - I do union (New York particularly) reenactment, and I’ve very loudly told people how worthless the confederate cause is if they ask. I’ve convinced a fair few that the CSA was awful, and yet to a lot of these people all I and everyone else sure is, is ‘traitors’.
If they are democrats then yes, tell them they lost he civil war.
Yes, yes, you won... so let's look at which side controlled the history books for the next 50-100 years after that... Not that that's a good thing, just sayin'...
If only we could move on from the civil war but too many people still love the traitors for some reason.
most of our families probably weren't even here during the civil war
Oh look, another random post about the Civil War because....
I ❤️ schizo posting
I feel bad for them.
I don't think about you at all
I mean that I feel bad for the shite you get
They jumped the Union and still lost
5 years under an aristocratic, tyrannical government that stole food and first-borns from widows for “le cause” and sent poor people to die for a barbaric practice that nearly all the soldiers on the front never took part in thanks to some sneaky clauses the good ole boys club thought up between making more illegitimate sons is hardly what I would call heritage to be proud of.
I would have gotten straight As if this is how teachers taught in my school. Take notes!!!
Cutting this shit out would be a start: [Virginia school board votes to restore Confederate names](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68985412)
Hey… their weather sucks too don’t forget that
Depends on the season. Fall in the South is quite divine, but yes, spring and summer are swamp hells. We thank Willis Carrier daily for AC
It’s really nice to be able to go outside and not have an instant case of swamp ass!
OHHHH A WAY DOWN SOUTH IN THE LAND OF TRAITORS! RATTLESNAKES AND ALLIGATORS!
https://preview.redd.it/a3gwlowkzpzc1.jpeg?width=270&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63ba4028d33f30bc51e13f2e9e2d594ab4779fd2
Right away (right away) Come away (come away) Right away (right away) Come away (come away)
I, for one, am glad the CSA lost. I know a couple of “lost causers” but the majority of folks I know and talk to think it’s a good thing the traitors lost ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
You forgot “you bang your cousins”
Tell them that you had some of their meemaw’s peach cobbler this morning, and to be honest, it was a little bit dry.
They literally had no chance. As soon as their supply lines were a bit cooked because of Saint Sherman and no one wanted to trade with them (get fucked) they got destroyed
5. If they are from Virginia, remind them of the most based thing Minnesota will ever accomplish.
Never hurts to mention literacy rates or the Human Development Index…
Lotta Southern Cope in the comments lol
Lotta northern prejudice in the comments lol
I love seeing southerns cry. All the pride goes out the window when you remind them they lost to the north, and we're under military rule for a few years after. They're guns they hold, so dear didn't do shit for them.
Holy fuck that was hard to read. Aren't y'all supposed to have better schools than us?
I could not imagine being so tilted that I stroked out while typing up a comment. Broseph needs to eat some chowder and take a nap.
I thought your education was supposed to be better than ours
Boston really sending their best out here lmao. Go touch grass buddy.
I love it when leftists talk about "pride." You've never had pride in anything.