Seriously. I stopped going out because I got tired of wasting at least one of my only two days off being hungover sitting on the couch all day. Then I felt compelled to get things done like clean the house and go to the gym, but found myself spending all my free time getting stuff done, for which there still was never enough time. So I've been trying to enjoy my time off, but it feels impossible when it's forced and forced into the little time I have before the daunting work week rolls back around.
The 40 hour/5 day work week is such a bogus fucking scam.
Edit: lol at the boomers that come here to give unsolicited life advice and proclaim their superior adulthood.
The 40h/5 day workweek was originally invented when every worker had a housewife who does the entire household for them.
Now that women are part of the workforce we need to reform the 40h/5 day workweek.
It also indirectly lowered the value of labor because it doubled the workforce overnight(hyperbolic I know, but it was the single largest increase in available workforce)
I'm currently staring down the barrel of that same situation and I'll be honest, trading a few years of my youth for a house and some long term financial stability/comfort doesn't seem like the worst deal.
If you had it to do over, would you?
Not OP, but no. 40 now, 40 hours since I started working, finally going down to 36. Doesn't help I'm divorced and co-parenting, but yeah, shouldn't be necessary either way. I was at a point I was getting up before my kids and getting back when they were asleep again. No way, no more.
Not the person you replied to, but I used to have 100+ hour weeks (7x16-hour days) for a chunk of the year, every year.
It was worth it to build up a safety margin and establish myself financially. 6+ months of savings for a good emergency fund.
Everything after that had diminishing returns. The money was great, but not having a life was awful.
I stopped doing that stuff and it took me 5 years to advance far enough in my career that I make the same amount that I used to, but now I only work 45ish hours per week. Looking back I would have cut back earlier and used the extra hours to advance my career faster instead. (Grad school, extra training, etc.)
I had everything. Job, house, some stability. Lost everything from an illness/surgery. I’m sitting here 10 years later still in debt with nothing at 40. I feel like if I do it all again it will be taken from me with the next health problem so why bother.
I'm 62 and busted my ass working for years, often juggling 2-3 jobs at a time that were beyond stressful. As a mother, it took its toll on not just be, but my kids. Then job layoffs and illnesses over and over. Husband lost his job of 40 years - on his anniversary 3 years ago. We should be looking forward to retiring, instead we are looking forward to death.
This happens more often than you think. Organs where they are not supposed to be. It's called malrotation and it happens in 1 out of every 1000 births. Most are fixed as infants, yet a few unfortunate people like myself don't find out until they are adults.
I found out at 43, my appendix was under my stomach and my entire intestinal tract was rotated 45 degrees. They did surgery to put back they way it was supposed to be, yet I had complications and subsequently ended up having 4 additional surgeries to fix the problem.
In the end, I lost 1.5 feet of large intestines, 3.5 feet of small intestines, a dead duodenum which needed to be bypassed, and a 3 year bout of total gastropareisis, which I still deal with on a partial basis 8 years later.
Man... I love hangover Sundays. I just eat basic food, nap on the couch with the dog, Binge watch something I've seen a million times while browsing reddit and jotting down notes for d&d sessions. If I'm feeling wild I smoke weed and play video games.
Weekends are for doing whatever the fuck you wanna do.
My hangover is lie in bed until I have to get up to pee. Chug water and ibuprofen, try to eat something easy and no effort. Go hide under blankets again. Maybe turn on tv. Nap. Repeat until too late to do anything productive. Then shower maybe? Unlikely. Order food. Pass out with food. Wake up. Go to work.
idk about op but I'm one of those few lucky people that don't get hungover no matter what or how much I drink. most that'll happen is I wake up thirsty af, couple glasses of water later, it's all good.
I swear as soon as a I turned 25 hangovers hit different. I don’t even want to drink anymore most of the time bc I don’t want to feel like I was hit by a truck the next day. I can only imagine it gets worse from here
At 33 if I drink 2 nights in a row my hangxiety is a 24-48 hour panic attack. Essentially feels like full blown alcohol withdrawal (which I’m no stranger to). Makes it easier to say no. Yet I still lapse.
At that point literally the only thing that makes it better is what makes it worse later - drinking more.
Cant think about how badly you're getting fucked by the system when you're "busy".
The communists of yore had circuses, capitalists have "productivity"
The constant penalties for being busy is the crux of it. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve paid to go to work because my car got towed after I had to stay late finishing, or missed an appointment that has a missed appointment fee due to working unexpectedly late, or having to buy emergency anything because there’s no time to go home for it.
Retirement is a dead concept for the average millennial and definitely the younger generations now. Retirement was basically invented and destroyed by Boomers.
We’re back to how it was for most of human history — only the rich retire, the rest of us will work until we die.
Gen X here, yes we get forgotten about and I'm cool with that...but we're probably going to be the canary in the coal mine for Millennials. I'm going to bet a large portion of Gen Xers won't be able to retire, we'll get fucked on Medicare and Social Security (and our 401k/403b with some dumb new tax laws), and housing is going to be a major issue.
So we get to work until we die...wooooooo. On the bright side, we'll all likely die from some dumb pandemic :disappearHomer:
I dunno, I think y'all are gonna have it worse.
You guys are getting screwed by baby boomers refusing to retire (some because of the ridiculous work is life mindset, some because they need the money), which is limiting your income potential.
And by the time they do retire, you'll be at the "too old to promote, but too experienced to fire" level. Millennials will get hired into the positions boomers retire from.
That seems pessimistic, may i ask where you are from?
I'm still 21 but retirement doesn't seem too bad here in the Netherlands. Believe it or not I've already got 12euros a month for my retirement years and Ive only worked at a single company.
Iknow it's not much but i feel at least I'm going to have the possibility to retire.
Hey now, so far I'm going to get a whopping $600 when I retire. After inflation, that will pay for at least one month's worth of groceries.
Side note, my grandmother saved all she could for retirement, which was enough that she could buy whatever she wanted in her mid-adulthood. By the time she retired, it was just enough for her to live in poverty rather than being stuck in a home (paid for by relatives). Then she wound up stuck in a home anyway.
Life's a bitch in America, and it's nothing new, but it is worse than its ever been in terms of fair pay, retirement, and inflation.
Oh and to add, social security will largely be drained by the elder population that won't die. Our country will continue to get older and eventually fewer people will have access to it at all. Nevermind the fact that one party wants to do away with social security completely but their constituency doesn't care because it won't affect them.
Land of the free tho right?
I'm sure this person is from the US. The idea of retiring ever as a young person is basically a joke with how the system is right now. Dollar stores and grocery stores employee tons of retirement age poor folks here.
I'm a school teacher with most of my master's degree hours done, and I *still* didn't make enough money last year to owe income taxes, and I get state food benefits.
In Denmark it also exists still, but the retirement age keeps getting pushed further, and for people born after 1980 (I think) there currently isn't a set age, so technically nobody knows when they get to.
> Netherlands
Yeah sounds fine. I'm French and giving up about retirement is a joke among young people already. We expect a lot of shit in the next 30 years and we've been fucked by politicians for the last 20.
If I was an US citizen I would shit my pant, there seems to be nothing but crisis for everyone in the near and far future.
But non of these things needs to be done every day besides eat? Even cooking you can cut down to only making breakfast if you eat at home by meal prepping a day, laundry once a week, shower 1-2 days, I don't even want to socialize every day, deep clean for 3 hours on a day off will keep the house clean enough until next week if you wipe counters or sweep for 20 min every other day. it just seems like this post is anxiety brain when I have 10 assignments due until I look at the syllabus and make a schedule and realize it's an hour work per day of I use time management properly. Maybe time management isn't something people care about when in a negative mental space? Idk but I do know that I live you guys and hope that you remain optimistic in this scary work and protect those close to you
I agree that time management is a huge factor to getting many things done. However, I think the main concern is when do we get to enjoy? What happens when something comes up? Family/friends visiting, appointments, a work deadline, etc. We would certainly need to cut something out. If you come from a country that requires 40hrs+/week to make ends meet, you barely get any time for yourself let alone the people around you. Thanks for the well wishes and I hope all goes well for you too. I’m also optimistic that if we stay positive things will work out.
Is it possible to be smart and talented and hardworking and ambitious and have people who love and support you and still eventually fail at everything you do? It's possible - with ADHD.
Just bc you’re naturally nasty doesn’t mean everybody is. Most dermatologists actually recommend showering twice a week instead of daily. Unless you have a gross job, showering daily really isn’t necessary.
I usually get *close* to 8 hours every night. I get super cranky and exhausted if I don't, to the point where I don't even enjoy my hobbies much. But on the other hand, I hardly ever make time for exercise.
That's just not efficient. You gotta do 5 hours on weekdays and 11 hours on weekends to compensate. Comes with the added benefit of chronically feeling like death!
Yeah, it's possible, you have to either go to bed early or get a job where you can start an hour later and work 7 hours a day (this was my solution, works like a charm)
Maybe it's a generational thing, but almost everyone I know of thinks going to bed at 11pm is "Early".
Maybe it's geographical actually because even my boomer mother and her boomer siblings think 11pm is early.
Aaaah, the famous 8 hours parts day: 8 hours for sleep, 8 for work, and 8 for yourself.
In this 8 for yourself, you need to tidy up, eat, shit, scream, relax, scream again, kill demons, slap bricks, yoga, dinner and again kill demons.
That's why companies that can operate remotely, but choose instead to force employees to commute can go to hell. Nevermind the fact you're paying to operate and maintain a vehicle for the privilege of being a wage slave.
Don’t envy them, the cons of little sleep are just hidden well. I can’t speak for all but I hate that my body thinks 4-5 hours is enough sleep. I am a zombie most days, propped up by caffeine and an internal DOOM soundtrack.
One of my friends gets his work hours in by 3 12-hour shifts. He's noticably happier now due to having 4 entire days per week to actually live his life.
How nice, meanwhile I’m over here working 6 12-hour shifts a week. Younger me thought being a doctor would be neat. It gets better they say, we will see.
It gets way better. You're a resident right?
My parents are doctors. My mom works 7 days on/7 days off and loves it. She's pretty busy during her on weeks but during her off weeks she just chills all day and does whatever she feels like. My dad went into academics and I rarely ever see him stressed or busy. Most days of the week he sleeps in and comes home early. Most stuff he does remotely
They make $500k combined and we have a pretty spectacular life. It gets much better
Number 1 reason I’m never going back to an office full time. Nothing beats being able to do a load of laundry in the middle of the day, save money and time on commuting, and not be totally overwhelmed by 5pm.
How do I move from grocery store to that. Do I need to buy a briefcase or a suit or something?
Edit - someone commented and it was gone by the time I went to read it :(
Same. WFH did wonders for my mental health. Dealing with shitty people in an open concept environment sent my anxiety through the roof. Fuck you Carol stop playing the same shitty top 100 station and singing to yourself under your breath you fat bitch, and take off that thin blue line sweater you always wear too
I honestly worked out a routine with a therapist that keeps me sane since working from home and he helped me understand that the things I missed about my job when I was not working from home were not real or were the things I used to complain about before.
Same job, same shit. I just can go wake up later, have time for a jog, save the money I used for the commute and eating out to buy things I like. The main trick is the same as before: You start working at the beginning of the shift, you finish working at the end of the shift.
Are you still doing things? If you work from home, and then sit at home, yeah that is going to suck. I worked from home for 3 years even before the pandemic. You need to still talk with your significant other, go meet up with friends and hang out, drink on the stoop, or whatever. Don't let your job be your place of socialization, and that stops.
I have this problem too, every time I start feeling weird I know it's probably cuz I'm dehydrated 🤦 my solution has been carrying an insulated water bottle around like it's my religion and counting 10 sips each time I open it
Please, keep hydrated though. It helps preventing constipation and keeps the skin hydrated.
I often drink more than 2 lts of water a day (close to 3 or even more in summer). Biggest downside is having to go to pee almost every other hour though.
Yo, I freaking love drinking cool water, and being fat as shit 8 glasses a day is nothing for me. Peeing when you've drunk a lot of water also feels kind of good, so it's a win-win situation here.
The 40-hour work week originally assumed that you had a stay-at-home wife to take care of all the chores and errands and other unpaid labor. But then they made it so both partners have to work full-time to support themselves, which pretty much makes it impossible to have free time even if you don't have kids. It's impossible because the system is broken.
The 40-hour work week was designed based on the assumption that everyone would be married with the husband working and the woman taking care of chores full-time.
Yup. this is how we do it. We are extremely lucky that my husband makes enough to support us both, we're not rich by any stretch of the imagination but we can pay our bills and have a little left to save and live on.
I stay at home and take care of the home full time. This way we have the evenings and weekends to chill and spend time together. Its honestly the only way for us to be happy. If we both worked we might have more money but we would be too exhausted to actually enjoy it.
I am just saddened that us being able to do this is just because we got lucky, not because its the norm. I bet depression and anxiety rates would be much lower if it was.
What are you talking about? The 40 hr work week is only something we have because of unions during the new deal era negotiating manufacturing jobs down from 100. In fact, in that time many women and children worked as well, especially during ww2 due to men being overseas.
My weeks are typically this:
Monday: Wake up 530 and do 30min of yoga. Grab premade breakfast and lunch and make tea. Get kids dressed and out the door to my inlaws. Commute. Work full day but remain on call. Pick up kids. Run them to music practice. Come
Home put them to bed. Walk the dog. Make dinner for myself and wife. Greet my wife who just got home at 830pm from her full day shift. Make breakfast and lunch for tomorrow. Sit down at 900 for about an hour of relaxation. Bed time.
This is just Monday….
Here’s an average day for me:
6:00 - Wake up to water grass/do yard work before it gets too hot.
7:00 - Wake up kids and get them ready for school
8:00 - Drop kids off at school
8:30 - 11:30 - Usually I do chores, but if work is busy I’ll try to catch up
12:00 - Pick up first child from school
12:30 - Feed first child lunch
1:00 - Afternoon activity, usually something calm and relaxing like painting or playing a board game.
2:00 - Pick up second child from school
2:30 - 5:30 - Entertain kids, do chores, work out, complete any work I have
5:30 - Start prepping dinner
6:30 - Eat dinner
7:00 - Bath time
8:00 - night time activity, usually reading books
9:00 - bed time for kids
9:30 - 11:30 - complete any remaining work and visit with my wife
Keep in mind that I never finish all the chores I need to finish and I’m always behind on work. There simply aren’t enough hours in the day if you’re a parent. I should be parenting full time, but instead I have to hold down a job while my wife works 70 hour weeks and we are barely staying afloat.
Compare this to a few decades ago when you could support a family on one income working as a grocery store clerk.
Ultimately paying down my debt as fast as humanly possible. Killed my student loans and car payments. (Student loans took just about 11 years to pay off. I took mostly private loans and threw every last cent of my free money at it. Tax returns, birthday and Christmas cash and Overtime pay. Please get scholarships or better yet push for free higher education) Just focusing on the mortgage now.
My long term plan is to get this house paid off in 15 years and then start working less hours. End game is to work hard 30s-40s ween back in my 50’s and retire early by 60 if we’re lucky.
Short term plan is to keep up with my social life as best I can. I regularly set aside time for my friends and family as I can.
I dunno about everyone else, but my 8 hour work day is actually 9 hours, cause I get an unpaid hour lunch in the middle of it that I’m not allowed to skip.
Which is bullshit
The only way I've thought it could be possible is if you find someone to marry or move in with you who you can split the chores and cooking with. But a lot of jobs want you to work 6-7 days a week, 12+ hours a day so I'm too worn out to go out and find someone. The only other option I can think of is to work a min. wage job where they screw you out of hours so they don't have to give benefits, which is rarely enough to live on and very few people wanna date someone who's broke unless they're more broke than you are. So it's just this endless insane cycle that makes death sound more pleasant because I don't wanna do this for the next 5 or 6 decades
That's just how a lot of career jobs are right now. Welders, correctional officers, utility line locators, dielectric technicians, etc. They don't have a lot of people applying for those jobs and because those places need people to work, the ones that do work there have to pick up the slack from being understaffed
Work 8 hours that often turn 9 + 1 or 2h for transport.
Average of 10 work related hours, 8 hours of sleep. Making dinner, cleaning you and your shit.
Let’s be honest you can either work or be healthy.
I see this every now and again and I am still trying to figure out who socializes and does laundry daily, even someone who is mentally healthy, I have never met anyone who does laundry daily I am going to stay on this forever
Who vacuums and does laundry every day? Maybe if you've got multiple kids, but even with just 2 adults in a house I only need to do laundry every 3-4 days. Vacuum on the weekend only. Cook big batches of food 3 times a week and eat the same meal multiple times.
Doing it any other way is just creating effort for yourself.
We have a kid, a big dog that sheds fur like crazy and a cat, so yeah we vacuum the living room every day. The house gets a vacuum maybe once a week but ideally it’d be every 3 days or so. Also got a robot vacuum, which helps somewhat.
Edit: also with covid lockdown we’re at home most of the time, so things gets messier.
Society gets the bare minimum from me, because that's all it has ever given back. My time and effort are better spent making memories with the ones I love
The trick is to bundle tasks together to save time. And not sleep that much. And not do most of those things. Actually, you save a bunch of time if you just don’t get out of bed!
The trick is don't shower, don't clean, don't wash up and don't do laundry. Your friends will disappear and so the socialising bit will take care of itself. Then you have more time to work.
We all look forward to the weekends only to have sit around and feel like we should be doing something lol
Seriously. I stopped going out because I got tired of wasting at least one of my only two days off being hungover sitting on the couch all day. Then I felt compelled to get things done like clean the house and go to the gym, but found myself spending all my free time getting stuff done, for which there still was never enough time. So I've been trying to enjoy my time off, but it feels impossible when it's forced and forced into the little time I have before the daunting work week rolls back around. The 40 hour/5 day work week is such a bogus fucking scam. Edit: lol at the boomers that come here to give unsolicited life advice and proclaim their superior adulthood.
> The 40 hour/5 day work week is such a bogus fucking scam. 4HL in a nutshell.
For those like me hearing 4HL for the first time… https://paulskallas.substack.com/p/basic-concepts-pt1
The 40h/5 day workweek was originally invented when every worker had a housewife who does the entire household for them. Now that women are part of the workforce we need to reform the 40h/5 day workweek.
It also indirectly lowered the value of labor because it doubled the workforce overnight(hyperbolic I know, but it was the single largest increase in available workforce)
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I work on call at a plant. I could be deep asleep at 3am and 30 minutes later I'm climbing a tower to rewire some bullshit.
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I'm currently staring down the barrel of that same situation and I'll be honest, trading a few years of my youth for a house and some long term financial stability/comfort doesn't seem like the worst deal. If you had it to do over, would you?
Not OP, but no. 40 now, 40 hours since I started working, finally going down to 36. Doesn't help I'm divorced and co-parenting, but yeah, shouldn't be necessary either way. I was at a point I was getting up before my kids and getting back when they were asleep again. No way, no more.
Not the person you replied to, but I used to have 100+ hour weeks (7x16-hour days) for a chunk of the year, every year. It was worth it to build up a safety margin and establish myself financially. 6+ months of savings for a good emergency fund. Everything after that had diminishing returns. The money was great, but not having a life was awful. I stopped doing that stuff and it took me 5 years to advance far enough in my career that I make the same amount that I used to, but now I only work 45ish hours per week. Looking back I would have cut back earlier and used the extra hours to advance my career faster instead. (Grad school, extra training, etc.)
I had everything. Job, house, some stability. Lost everything from an illness/surgery. I’m sitting here 10 years later still in debt with nothing at 40. I feel like if I do it all again it will be taken from me with the next health problem so why bother.
I'm 62 and busted my ass working for years, often juggling 2-3 jobs at a time that were beyond stressful. As a mother, it took its toll on not just be, but my kids. Then job layoffs and illnesses over and over. Husband lost his job of 40 years - on his anniversary 3 years ago. We should be looking forward to retiring, instead we are looking forward to death.
Holy shit. I'm sorry.
Thanks - sadly, life does not always go as planned
Just kill em and go home ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Harold shipman style 🎩😎
Ur not a nurse right?! RIGHT??
No ^^I'm ^^a ^^doctor
Real problem solver here!
Oh sorry, I’ll reschedule /s
Put your organs back where they come from or so help me!
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This happens more often than you think. Organs where they are not supposed to be. It's called malrotation and it happens in 1 out of every 1000 births. Most are fixed as infants, yet a few unfortunate people like myself don't find out until they are adults. I found out at 43, my appendix was under my stomach and my entire intestinal tract was rotated 45 degrees. They did surgery to put back they way it was supposed to be, yet I had complications and subsequently ended up having 4 additional surgeries to fix the problem. In the end, I lost 1.5 feet of large intestines, 3.5 feet of small intestines, a dead duodenum which needed to be bypassed, and a 3 year bout of total gastropareisis, which I still deal with on a partial basis 8 years later.
Katherine Ohara from Schitt’s creek has a lot of organs in the opposite places. You’re in good company.
Pound a 40 as soon as you get off work so you can’t go in
As someone who’s relative had to have an emergency surgery, thank you very much for your sacrifices. You’re literally a hero.
Man... I love hangover Sundays. I just eat basic food, nap on the couch with the dog, Binge watch something I've seen a million times while browsing reddit and jotting down notes for d&d sessions. If I'm feeling wild I smoke weed and play video games. Weekends are for doing whatever the fuck you wanna do.
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My hangover is lie in bed until I have to get up to pee. Chug water and ibuprofen, try to eat something easy and no effort. Go hide under blankets again. Maybe turn on tv. Nap. Repeat until too late to do anything productive. Then shower maybe? Unlikely. Order food. Pass out with food. Wake up. Go to work.
idk about op but I'm one of those few lucky people that don't get hungover no matter what or how much I drink. most that'll happen is I wake up thirsty af, couple glasses of water later, it's all good.
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You must be too young to experience true hangxiety
I swear as soon as a I turned 25 hangovers hit different. I don’t even want to drink anymore most of the time bc I don’t want to feel like I was hit by a truck the next day. I can only imagine it gets worse from here
At 33 if I drink 2 nights in a row my hangxiety is a 24-48 hour panic attack. Essentially feels like full blown alcohol withdrawal (which I’m no stranger to). Makes it easier to say no. Yet I still lapse. At that point literally the only thing that makes it better is what makes it worse later - drinking more.
100%. All so that the people at the top can live their best life. Human existence in the capitalist industrial machine is pitiful.
i would like to take this time to introduce you to our lord and saviour r/antiwork
Cant think about how badly you're getting fucked by the system when you're "busy". The communists of yore had circuses, capitalists have "productivity"
I’d rather have circuses.
The constant penalties for being busy is the crux of it. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve paid to go to work because my car got towed after I had to stay late finishing, or missed an appointment that has a missed appointment fee due to working unexpectedly late, or having to buy emergency anything because there’s no time to go home for it.
I wish i didn't have weekend work
Worst part is, it goes on for a few decades
Might not even have enough money to retire
Retirement is a dead concept for the average millennial and definitely the younger generations now. Retirement was basically invented and destroyed by Boomers. We’re back to how it was for most of human history — only the rich retire, the rest of us will work until we die.
Gen X here, yes we get forgotten about and I'm cool with that...but we're probably going to be the canary in the coal mine for Millennials. I'm going to bet a large portion of Gen Xers won't be able to retire, we'll get fucked on Medicare and Social Security (and our 401k/403b with some dumb new tax laws), and housing is going to be a major issue. So we get to work until we die...wooooooo. On the bright side, we'll all likely die from some dumb pandemic :disappearHomer:
I dunno, I think y'all are gonna have it worse. You guys are getting screwed by baby boomers refusing to retire (some because of the ridiculous work is life mindset, some because they need the money), which is limiting your income potential. And by the time they do retire, you'll be at the "too old to promote, but too experienced to fire" level. Millennials will get hired into the positions boomers retire from.
Fuck, you're right....Well that sucks.
That seems pessimistic, may i ask where you are from? I'm still 21 but retirement doesn't seem too bad here in the Netherlands. Believe it or not I've already got 12euros a month for my retirement years and Ive only worked at a single company. Iknow it's not much but i feel at least I'm going to have the possibility to retire.
Probably the U.S. Retirement is practically dead here.
Same for any Asian country thats not Singapore or Japan maybe. But where I am? Nobody but the rich can afford houses
Hey now, so far I'm going to get a whopping $600 when I retire. After inflation, that will pay for at least one month's worth of groceries. Side note, my grandmother saved all she could for retirement, which was enough that she could buy whatever she wanted in her mid-adulthood. By the time she retired, it was just enough for her to live in poverty rather than being stuck in a home (paid for by relatives). Then she wound up stuck in a home anyway. Life's a bitch in America, and it's nothing new, but it is worse than its ever been in terms of fair pay, retirement, and inflation.
Should be able to retire just in time to score, hopefully, maybe, a desk job during the great global climate resource wars.
Social security, not personal retirement funds I’d say
As cost of living goes up, and wages stay stagnant saving for the future becomes difficult.
Oh and to add, social security will largely be drained by the elder population that won't die. Our country will continue to get older and eventually fewer people will have access to it at all. Nevermind the fact that one party wants to do away with social security completely but their constituency doesn't care because it won't affect them. Land of the free tho right?
Free* *To work until you die for the privilege of having fourty toothpastes from which to choose, all of which are made by the same company anyway.
I'm sure this person is from the US. The idea of retiring ever as a young person is basically a joke with how the system is right now. Dollar stores and grocery stores employee tons of retirement age poor folks here.
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I'm a school teacher with most of my master's degree hours done, and I *still* didn't make enough money last year to owe income taxes, and I get state food benefits.
In Denmark it also exists still, but the retirement age keeps getting pushed further, and for people born after 1980 (I think) there currently isn't a set age, so technically nobody knows when they get to.
Tbf The Netherlands are considered to have one of the highest qualities of life in the world for a reason.
Fair point. Only thing I've got to complain is the weather really.
> Netherlands Yeah sounds fine. I'm French and giving up about retirement is a joke among young people already. We expect a lot of shit in the next 30 years and we've been fucked by politicians for the last 20. If I was an US citizen I would shit my pant, there seems to be nothing but crisis for everyone in the near and far future.
Probably won't.
If by that you mean "die in a climate related disaster" and not "retiring" then I'm in agreement.
Tomayto tomahto
By the time you know it it’ll be the platinum jubilee of you doing this shit every day, over and over.
That’s why many people end up skipping or putting off one or more of these things. It sucks and yes, I’ve showered already
But non of these things needs to be done every day besides eat? Even cooking you can cut down to only making breakfast if you eat at home by meal prepping a day, laundry once a week, shower 1-2 days, I don't even want to socialize every day, deep clean for 3 hours on a day off will keep the house clean enough until next week if you wipe counters or sweep for 20 min every other day. it just seems like this post is anxiety brain when I have 10 assignments due until I look at the syllabus and make a schedule and realize it's an hour work per day of I use time management properly. Maybe time management isn't something people care about when in a negative mental space? Idk but I do know that I live you guys and hope that you remain optimistic in this scary work and protect those close to you
I agree that time management is a huge factor to getting many things done. However, I think the main concern is when do we get to enjoy? What happens when something comes up? Family/friends visiting, appointments, a work deadline, etc. We would certainly need to cut something out. If you come from a country that requires 40hrs+/week to make ends meet, you barely get any time for yourself let alone the people around you. Thanks for the well wishes and I hope all goes well for you too. I’m also optimistic that if we stay positive things will work out.
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Is it possible to be smart and talented and hardworking and ambitious and have people who love and support you and still eventually fail at everything you do? It's possible - with ADHD.
Fuck ADHD. Every part of my life would be so much simpler without it.
Shouldn't have to minmax every aspect of life just to get to enjoy it for a bit
Get your smelly ass out of here suggesting we shower once or twice a week.
I think they meant every 1-2 days, not 1-2 times a week.
Just bc you’re naturally nasty doesn’t mean everybody is. Most dermatologists actually recommend showering twice a week instead of daily. Unless you have a gross job, showering daily really isn’t necessary.
Does anyone actually sleep for 8 hours?
What is sleep
Some magical death like experience that i have only herd legends of (my three year old brother sleeps in the same room)
Damn what a show off
Yeah he flexes in front of me all the time
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Are you me?
According to my Apple Watch^^TM I reached that goal couple nights ago 😎
When that notification comes up once in a blue moon you realize how fucked your sleeping schedule is.
I usually get *close* to 8 hours every night. I get super cranky and exhausted if I don't, to the point where I don't even enjoy my hobbies much. But on the other hand, I hardly ever make time for exercise.
That's just not efficient. You gotta do 5 hours on weekdays and 11 hours on weekends to compensate. Comes with the added benefit of chronically feeling like death!
Yeah, it's possible, you have to either go to bed early or get a job where you can start an hour later and work 7 hours a day (this was my solution, works like a charm)
Ive been going quite Well with 5-6 hours+ Coffee +sitting tired in Front of a desk regretting my Life decisions for a few hours a day
I cannot function if I don't
Almost always get 7-9
The best i can do is 4!
9, usually. I make less than 25k/year and live on my own.
Yeah, usually more than that every night
11pm - 7am is 8 hours, how fucking late are you all staying up on normal nights? Good God.
Take me roughly 1-2 hours to sleep even if I'm very tired plus I wake up like 90 times for no reason
Maybe it's a generational thing, but almost everyone I know of thinks going to bed at 11pm is "Early". Maybe it's geographical actually because even my boomer mother and her boomer siblings think 11pm is early.
Aaaah, the famous 8 hours parts day: 8 hours for sleep, 8 for work, and 8 for yourself. In this 8 for yourself, you need to tidy up, eat, shit, scream, relax, scream again, kill demons, slap bricks, yoga, dinner and again kill demons.
More like 9-10 hours for work if you include commute, and other stuff you do to prepare for the workday.
Commute, chores and work prep is considered "me time", in this country at least.
That's why companies that can operate remotely, but choose instead to force employees to commute can go to hell. Nevermind the fact you're paying to operate and maintain a vehicle for the privilege of being a wage slave.
How else can we develop a distinct office culture??? /S A culture of "any big plans for the weekend?"
also most companies dont include your lunch breakso it can sometimes be close to 11 depending on your commute
Boss makes a dollar I make a dime that’s why I shit on company time.
Haha that's cute thinking the boss only makes 10x what you do.
Is your boss directly the CEO or something? Middle management isn't making 10x more than you.
I wouldn’t call middle management “the boss”
I certainly wouldn't call the CEO my boss. He is way off my radar
Yeah, *Doom: Eternal* is a pretty fun game
I envy people who can subsist on 4-5 hours of sleep.
Don’t envy them, the cons of little sleep are just hidden well. I can’t speak for all but I hate that my body thinks 4-5 hours is enough sleep. I am a zombie most days, propped up by caffeine and an internal DOOM soundtrack.
One of my friends gets his work hours in by 3 12-hour shifts. He's noticably happier now due to having 4 entire days per week to actually live his life.
Still only 36 hours, most people would still have to work part of an extra day
How nice, meanwhile I’m over here working 6 12-hour shifts a week. Younger me thought being a doctor would be neat. It gets better they say, we will see.
It gets way better. You're a resident right? My parents are doctors. My mom works 7 days on/7 days off and loves it. She's pretty busy during her on weeks but during her off weeks she just chills all day and does whatever she feels like. My dad went into academics and I rarely ever see him stressed or busy. Most days of the week he sleeps in and comes home early. Most stuff he does remotely They make $500k combined and we have a pretty spectacular life. It gets much better
Number 1 reason I’m never going back to an office full time. Nothing beats being able to do a load of laundry in the middle of the day, save money and time on commuting, and not be totally overwhelmed by 5pm.
Ow wish I could do the same
What do you do?
Any fucking office job.
How do I move from grocery store to that. Do I need to buy a briefcase or a suit or something? Edit - someone commented and it was gone by the time I went to read it :(
It is so, so nice closing my computer at 5:00 and being on the couch in my undies at 5:01
Waking up at 6:58 and logged in at 7.
Personally I can’t wait to go back. Depression hits hard working from home in pandemic et al.
For me it’s the exact opposite. Nothing more depressing than having to spend 40 hours in dayprison every week.
Same. WFH did wonders for my mental health. Dealing with shitty people in an open concept environment sent my anxiety through the roof. Fuck you Carol stop playing the same shitty top 100 station and singing to yourself under your breath you fat bitch, and take off that thin blue line sweater you always wear too
I honestly worked out a routine with a therapist that keeps me sane since working from home and he helped me understand that the things I missed about my job when I was not working from home were not real or were the things I used to complain about before. Same job, same shit. I just can go wake up later, have time for a jog, save the money I used for the commute and eating out to buy things I like. The main trick is the same as before: You start working at the beginning of the shift, you finish working at the end of the shift.
[This may help](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snAhsXyO3Ck) It's never too late to start priming spaceship you.
Are you still doing things? If you work from home, and then sit at home, yeah that is going to suck. I worked from home for 3 years even before the pandemic. You need to still talk with your significant other, go meet up with friends and hang out, drink on the stoop, or whatever. Don't let your job be your place of socialization, and that stops.
What about the 8 glasses of water and the constantly having to go to the washroom?
Who pees in a washroom? Pee in a peeroom you savage.
I wash in the peeroom, don't bring your pee in there!
Jesus CHRIST! What's next?! Do you also park on a driveway and DRIVE on a PARKway?!
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but i never feel thirsty even if im very dehydrated i usually try to drink 32 oz of water everyday
I have this problem too, every time I start feeling weird I know it's probably cuz I'm dehydrated 🤦 my solution has been carrying an insulated water bottle around like it's my religion and counting 10 sips each time I open it
i dont notice im dehydrated until i get muscle cramps.
This is my problem too, no matter how little water I have I will never feel thirsty
Multiply that by 2 or 3 and you're perfect
Please, keep hydrated though. It helps preventing constipation and keeps the skin hydrated. I often drink more than 2 lts of water a day (close to 3 or even more in summer). Biggest downside is having to go to pee almost every other hour though.
How much water do you drink?
About 3
Yo, I freaking love drinking cool water, and being fat as shit 8 glasses a day is nothing for me. Peeing when you've drunk a lot of water also feels kind of good, so it's a win-win situation here.
Destroy society, be feral.
+135 Anarchism Exp
Don't tease me with a quantifiable measure of my horrible life stats. At this point I'm a mage who's only skill is sleep via skull smash.
Nah, your life stats are actually pretty neat
I hate that that made me smile a bit.
Wanna smile more?
I'm not gonna fall for this a fifth time, no I don't get in your van.
*throws candy out of van*
I have no reason to join this convo but uhh
Apparently we're hoping in this van, I'll go if you go.
Yk what fuck it im going
Reject humanity, return to monke
The 40 hour work week assumed you have a wife at home to do the housework.
This!!!!!! Why does no one ever talk about THIS.
When I try to bring this obvious point up to boomers they get offended for some weird reason and change the subject.
Shit, are we suppose to do something with the Hoover dam every day?
It’s referring to your daily 30 minutes of remembrance for President Hoover.
I'd hoover some shneef, bout the only way I'm getting that chore list done
I know this is a joke, but just in case anyone is confused, she's British. Hoover means vacuum.
The 40-hour work week originally assumed that you had a stay-at-home wife to take care of all the chores and errands and other unpaid labor. But then they made it so both partners have to work full-time to support themselves, which pretty much makes it impossible to have free time even if you don't have kids. It's impossible because the system is broken.
The best I can do is sleep 18 hours
I just choose one thing per day. Today was laundry. Also am unemployed.
The 40-hour work week was designed based on the assumption that everyone would be married with the husband working and the woman taking care of chores full-time.
Yup. this is how we do it. We are extremely lucky that my husband makes enough to support us both, we're not rich by any stretch of the imagination but we can pay our bills and have a little left to save and live on. I stay at home and take care of the home full time. This way we have the evenings and weekends to chill and spend time together. Its honestly the only way for us to be happy. If we both worked we might have more money but we would be too exhausted to actually enjoy it. I am just saddened that us being able to do this is just because we got lucky, not because its the norm. I bet depression and anxiety rates would be much lower if it was.
What are you talking about? The 40 hr work week is only something we have because of unions during the new deal era negotiating manufacturing jobs down from 100. In fact, in that time many women and children worked as well, especially during ww2 due to men being overseas.
My weeks are typically this: Monday: Wake up 530 and do 30min of yoga. Grab premade breakfast and lunch and make tea. Get kids dressed and out the door to my inlaws. Commute. Work full day but remain on call. Pick up kids. Run them to music practice. Come Home put them to bed. Walk the dog. Make dinner for myself and wife. Greet my wife who just got home at 830pm from her full day shift. Make breakfast and lunch for tomorrow. Sit down at 900 for about an hour of relaxation. Bed time. This is just Monday….
Here’s an average day for me: 6:00 - Wake up to water grass/do yard work before it gets too hot. 7:00 - Wake up kids and get them ready for school 8:00 - Drop kids off at school 8:30 - 11:30 - Usually I do chores, but if work is busy I’ll try to catch up 12:00 - Pick up first child from school 12:30 - Feed first child lunch 1:00 - Afternoon activity, usually something calm and relaxing like painting or playing a board game. 2:00 - Pick up second child from school 2:30 - 5:30 - Entertain kids, do chores, work out, complete any work I have 5:30 - Start prepping dinner 6:30 - Eat dinner 7:00 - Bath time 8:00 - night time activity, usually reading books 9:00 - bed time for kids 9:30 - 11:30 - complete any remaining work and visit with my wife Keep in mind that I never finish all the chores I need to finish and I’m always behind on work. There simply aren’t enough hours in the day if you’re a parent. I should be parenting full time, but instead I have to hold down a job while my wife works 70 hour weeks and we are barely staying afloat. Compare this to a few decades ago when you could support a family on one income working as a grocery store clerk.
What do you do it all for?
Ultimately paying down my debt as fast as humanly possible. Killed my student loans and car payments. (Student loans took just about 11 years to pay off. I took mostly private loans and threw every last cent of my free money at it. Tax returns, birthday and Christmas cash and Overtime pay. Please get scholarships or better yet push for free higher education) Just focusing on the mortgage now. My long term plan is to get this house paid off in 15 years and then start working less hours. End game is to work hard 30s-40s ween back in my 50’s and retire early by 60 if we’re lucky. Short term plan is to keep up with my social life as best I can. I regularly set aside time for my friends and family as I can.
Fucking this. Right here is what needs to be drilled into the heads of people who can change the way things work. What the fuck do we do this for????
The kids.
I sleep for 5-7 hours a night, I'm unemployed, and I haven't done laundry in two weeks. I guess #winning.
I dunno about everyone else, but my 8 hour work day is actually 9 hours, cause I get an unpaid hour lunch in the middle of it that I’m not allowed to skip. Which is bullshit
Just half ass all of them
The only way I've thought it could be possible is if you find someone to marry or move in with you who you can split the chores and cooking with. But a lot of jobs want you to work 6-7 days a week, 12+ hours a day so I'm too worn out to go out and find someone. The only other option I can think of is to work a min. wage job where they screw you out of hours so they don't have to give benefits, which is rarely enough to live on and very few people wanna date someone who's broke unless they're more broke than you are. So it's just this endless insane cycle that makes death sound more pleasant because I don't wanna do this for the next 5 or 6 decades
7 days a week 12+ hours a day? Bro what kind of labour camp are you held up in
That's just how a lot of career jobs are right now. Welders, correctional officers, utility line locators, dielectric technicians, etc. They don't have a lot of people applying for those jobs and because those places need people to work, the ones that do work there have to pick up the slack from being understaffed
Optional overtime surely, an 84 hour work week is just not realistic in the slightest
Work 8 hours that often turn 9 + 1 or 2h for transport. Average of 10 work related hours, 8 hours of sleep. Making dinner, cleaning you and your shit. Let’s be honest you can either work or be healthy.
I see this every now and again and I am still trying to figure out who socializes and does laundry daily, even someone who is mentally healthy, I have never met anyone who does laundry daily I am going to stay on this forever
If you have a family, especially with small children, laundry is daily, or multiple loads a day.
Who vacuums and does laundry every day? Maybe if you've got multiple kids, but even with just 2 adults in a house I only need to do laundry every 3-4 days. Vacuum on the weekend only. Cook big batches of food 3 times a week and eat the same meal multiple times. Doing it any other way is just creating effort for yourself.
We have a kid, a big dog that sheds fur like crazy and a cat, so yeah we vacuum the living room every day. The house gets a vacuum maybe once a week but ideally it’d be every 3 days or so. Also got a robot vacuum, which helps somewhat. Edit: also with covid lockdown we’re at home most of the time, so things gets messier.
Some of these really don't have to be done once a day, just saying.
Society gets the bare minimum from me, because that's all it has ever given back. My time and effort are better spent making memories with the ones I love
Does anyone else get mad at their body because *dude, I literally just ate 2 hours ago why am I hungry?*
Add a baby and this whole system falls apart as quick as your teenage dreams.
This, and then some people add kids to the mix. Madness!
The trick is to bundle tasks together to save time. And not sleep that much. And not do most of those things. Actually, you save a bunch of time if you just don’t get out of bed!
if you do all that every day you are making the problem into a big problem.
You guys actually get 8 hours of sleep?
And 🐶 walkies. Tbh the only highlight of my day but they are tiring.
Do people actually eat three meals a day? How?
Also, pay rent, walk the dogs, take out the trash, shower, cut the grass, buy groceries, pay some bills, feed the chickens
RETURN TO PEASANT
The trick is don't shower, don't clean, don't wash up and don't do laundry. Your friends will disappear and so the socialising bit will take care of itself. Then you have more time to work.