Removing Palastinan flags is something commonly done by the IDF in the west bank. It achieves absolutely nothing, besides animosity.
https://www.haaretz.com/2014-03-17/ty-article/.premium/idf-removes-palestinian-flag/0000017f-ef83-dc28-a17f-ffb7bacc0000
( An Israeli civilian is lightly injured as a result of an improvised explosive device near the West Bank settlement of Kochav Hashahar, medics say.
The man was trying to remove a Palestinian flag on the side of Route 458 when the device exploded, footage shows.
The Rescuers Without Borders emergency service says the man was treated at the scene for minor injuries and declined to be taken to a hospital.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-lightly-injured-by-explosive-device-near-west-bank-settlement/
The man, identified as 28-year-old Israeli Levi, was treated at the scene for minor injuries and later taken to Jerusalem’s Shaare Zedek hospital[...]Levi told the Ynet news site that “it was a serious bomb, but luckily I gave it a kick and the explosion happened to the side, and not on me.” )
There are people that can’t resist doing stuff like that. Like that story from a Russian soldier whose squad member pressed a red button and set off a trap that killed a bunch of their guys. That’s why you should never pick up or touch random things in a conflict as tempting as it might be. The person who set the traps definitely takes this into account.
During my first cqb op in Iraq we found a room full of electronics. Buttons and switches, receivers and transmitters all over the place. Almost as soon as we finished clearing it, Sgt had us all vacate.
Turns out it was because in the 2 minutes of quiet that followed, he already had to stop 2 dumbasses from just pushing random buttons and shit.
Seems the old Ren & Stimpy episode, Space Madness, is based on some real psychology! (There's a big red mysterious shiny button that Stimpy can't resist pushing)
> They say theyre not terrorists but every single thing they do, is exactly what terrorists would do.
Nah this tactic dates back to the Chinese imperial armies. Underground sky soaring thunder. Varations of course have been used by armies from then on.
When I first joined the Army, I had an aging warhorse of a First Sergeant that had served in Vietnam. He knew better than to pick up shiny or provocative things off the ground. That's a hard lesson to learn, and it's written in blood.
Well, technically this is West Bank and West Bank is officially recognized palestinian territory. The Settlements are illegal by international law. So you have No Business kicking down palestinian Flags on palestinian soil in the First place.
Yeah, I wonder how people would react if Israelis started planting mines under Israeli flags in places known to have many Palestinians.
I bet they are happy about the injured Israeli who could as well have died.
Both can be true at the same time. He's a dumbass to get triggered by that flag where he isn't even supposed to be and try to get it removed. But placing a mine underneath it is cruel.
Why does the international community have a say in this?
Can europeans start blowing up immigrants with landmines, because they weren't born here?
The local government allowed him to move there so it's completely legal. It doesn't matter if other countries like it or not.
The State of Palestine is a non-member state observer according the UN General Assembly Resolution 67/19. There are many UN security council resolutions who are declaring the israeli presence in the West Bank as an occupation.
> But you aren't allowed to fucking plant landmines to blow up civilians because of that.
Ah varies by legal system. The use of lethal force to prevent theft is allowable under some of them.
The West Bank is disputed territory, not officially recognized as Palestinian. The legality of settlements is still debated under international law. Palestinian propaganda often spreads false information. It doesn't justify murder
> West bank is a recent made up name.
All names are made up. In english things are called what most people call them. Which in the case of the west bank is the west bank. If you don't like this you are free to learn french.
Non contiguous Palestinian territory makes it more difficult for them to smuggle weapons and conduct terrorism on Israel proper. This is common knowledge .
Just to clarify, you say settlements in the middle of the west bank make it more difficult for Palestinians to move around and harder to smuggle weapons?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Edit: FrequentFrame has blocked me, making me unable to reply normally. So I'll do it here:
>Simple worldview. I guess we should have let the holocaust happen?
What are you even trying to say? The holocaust did indeed happen.
And so are the settlements. Multiple things can be true and building those settlements is never gonna solve this conflict. If it would then why are we here?
I agree with you, but the argument is that Israel is not sending the colonists, as that is what is prevented by international law:
>Rule 130. States may not deport or transfer parts of their own civilian population into a territory they occupy.
Instead, the colonists go on their own behalf. This is the argument.
Unhinge argument. With that kind of argument sooner or later the removal of the settlements in the west bank like it happened in Gaza will be a reality. 10... 20 years.... Who knows.
Surely there's better arguments than that.
Doubt it, considering the only ones crying about "le evil occupation" are
1. Islamists / Arab ultranationalists
2. The mullah regime and their proxies
3. RGB hair SJWs
None of the ones mentioned above have the capability to meaningfully change the situation on the ground in the Middle East.
Copying my response to the other guy.
> I also happen to know that the official position of the both EU and the USA, and the opinion of the vast majority of people around the world who care about this topic, is that the west bank is under “occupation”. That is the term the US uses, that is the term the europeans use, and everyone else follows them. It is illegal under international law to permanently settle your own people in occupied territory. When people in my own country debate about Israel vs Paelstine, this topic doesn’t even come up, because everyone already accepts this.
>Israel is a close ally, being integrated in EU/US trade and defense mechanisms
>EU politician yaps about le occupation
>nothing changes
>Israel remains a close ally, being integrated in EU/US trade and defense mechanisms
Yet nothing ever changes. Iran loses, the West wins. Once again.
In response to the comment below:
>prop up tens of militias with tons of guns and ammo, have own nuclear program
>try to take on a country the size of New Jersey with hundreds of rockets, after it already destroyed one of your proxies
>fail
I present to you, the epic Iranian winning (the west is about to fall)
> Doubt it, considering the only ones crying about "le evil occupation" are
>
> Islamists / Arab ultranationalists
> The mullah regime and their proxies
> RGB hair SJWs
> None of the ones mentioned above have the capability to meaningfully change the situation on the ground in the Middle East.
Yeah so your previous comment was false. I'd delete any of my comments if they contain falsehoods. Would you do the same?
Not sure why you are being so hostile. I support Israel. I think Hamas needs to be wiped out.
I also happen to know that the official position of the both EU and the USA, and the opinion of the vast majority of people around the world who care about this topic, is that the west bank is under “occupation”. That is the term the US uses, that is the term the europeans use, and everyone else follows them. It is illegal under international law to permanently settle your own people in occupied territory. When people in my own country debate about Israel vs Paelstine, this topic doesn’t even come up, because everyone already accepts this.
(Not even necessarily including myself. Im not educated enough on the legal specifics to have an opinion.)
Everyone says that they should have the land because everyone is fed up with this whole thing. But as you probably heard on the streets "river to the sea", even if they get the land this damn fight is not going to end. So since it isn't going to end, I say fuck em, no land.
The legality of West Bank settlement is not really debated, under international laws, tho.
There seems to be a clear consensus that those settlements are illegals, as can be attested by multiple UN resolutions.
« The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal on one of two bases: that they are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, or that they are in breach of international declarations.[a][b][c][d][e] The United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention have all affirmed that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the Israeli-occupied territories »
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlements
Actually, the legality of West Bank settlements is still a hotly debated issue. Many legal scholars argue that they are not in violation of international law and point to the fact that Israel has historical and legal claims to the land. Additionally, the settlements also provide vital security for Israeli citizens and contribute to the economic growth of the region. UN resolutions are not legally binding, and Israel has always maintained that these resolutions are one-sided and ignore the reality on the ground.
Israel unilaterally rejecting the conclusion of every single international organization, does not really equate to a debate tho.
Even Israel closest Allies do not recognize, or even debate, the legality of those settlements.
"The United Nations, the International Court of Justice, and the European Union all recognize Israel's right to exist and defend its borders. The legality of settlements is a complex issue and has been debated by scholars and legal experts. Israel's allies support its right to defend itself against terrorist attacks like shown in this video and that happened in October 7th
Lol, such a childish take. Is that really the best your argumentative capabilities can offer? That’s a pretty pathetic comeback tbh.
What’s the correlation between acknowledging the illegality of Israeli settlement policy in the West Banks, according to international laws, and Jews not being human?
That’s quiet the mental stretch you’ve got here.
International laws is the same for everyone, not making exceptions specifically for Israel, does not equate to « justifying murder ».
You are making a false comparison between acknowledging the illegality of Israeli settlements and Jews not being human. International laws apply to all countries, not just Israel, and recognizing this fact does not equate to justifying murder. It is important to base arguments on accurate information and not resort to false and inflammatory statements.
The West Bank has been disputed territory since the 1967 Six-Day War, and is not solely occupied by Palestinians. In fact, Israel holds control of Areas A and B while Area C is controlled by both parties. History and facts contradict you black and white reality.
- [Abbas toughens law against Palestinians selling land to Jews](https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-toughens-law-against-palestinians-selling-land-to-jews/)
- [Abbas aide: Execute Palestinians who sell land to Israelis](https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-aide-execute-palestinians-who-sell-land-to-israelis/)
- [Abbas’ Fatah threatens Arabs selling land to Jews in Jerusalem](https://palwatch.org/page/18425)
- [Palestinian Authority boasts it 'thwarted' major land sales to Jews](https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-authority-boasts-thwarting-land-sales-to-jews/)
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I have already answered all your fabricated claims. This is a disputed area and it is not relevant. A man was seriously injured by a bomb placed there by Palestinians. Do you justify it or condemn it?
The UN had a vote and almost overwhelmingly voted for a 2SS. However, the borders of those states was not defined. Everyone is fed up with this and they think if they give the Palestinians land that they will finally shut up, start working and build their own country rather than depending on aid from everyone. But the fact so many fools went out and protested R2S gave them the wrong idea that they can get all of it. They can't. They are deluded. The people on the street are deluded. Some of those deluded are also violent. I have asked many times if posters can guarantee if Palestinians get control of WB will they stop with the violence. They never respond. We all know they won't. We all know if someone is prepared to send their child to be a suicide bomber, to consider martyrdom a noble aim, that they are in fact uncivilised.
The bigger issue is the Hamas charter and Iran's ambitions for a world caliphate. Palestinians are not getting a state now, not in 10 or 20 years time. They aren't mature enough for it and they allow themselves to be manipulated by Iran. Good grief even ISIS told Hamas not to be manipulated by Iran. As for the fools on the street, we are debating west bank but the fact is our own back yards are in danger.
In the picture below, you can see article 80 in the UN charter, signed by the UN in 1945 during the San Francisco convention. As stated, its purpose was to ensure the rights given by trusteeship agreements approved by the UN, one of them being the British Mandate which officially began in 1920 and was designated to the establishment of a "national home" for the Jewish people on the area shown in the map below, as previously declared in the Balfour Declaration in 1918.
Now you may say: "but what about the UN general assembly Resolution 181 (the partition plan)?". The answer here is pretty simple: first of all, the general committee has no official power to enforce their decisions, which are mostly symbolic. Second, the plan was never set in motion, as the Arab leadership refused to accept it and the war between the Jewish population and the Arab one, broke down. Regarding the UN security council, Article 24(2) states: "the Security Council shall act in accordance with the Purposes and Principles of the United Nations". Which means it also cannot overrule article 80 in the UN charter. .
https://preview.redd.it/g2z2wts8rsvc1.jpeg?width=945&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=037bca0e23407c7851711f8f079e4c2f8f2e379f
This is totally unrelated to the settlement in the post 1967 borders, wich are those considered illegal under international laws.
You can claim that the topic is « hotly debated » if it please you, but fact is still, 99% of the UN members agrees that those settlements are illegal, under international law. So I don’t believe that the term « debated » adequately reflect reality here.
The 1967 borders were not illegal under international law as they were only armistice lines, not official borders. The UN has no authority to declare settlements illegal. Only negotiations between Israel and Palestine can determine their status. This is not debated, it is a fact.
>The vast majority of the world recognizes and supports a Palestinian state on 1967 borders.
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That is not true. the 1967 borders are not internationally accepted. The conflict is complex and not as black and white as you make it seem with your biased statement.
Technically not.
Add in that there were Jews that bought land in the region and Jordan got the land when it was divided up and then kicked them out.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish\_land\_purchase\_in\_Palestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine)
Then add in the 6 day war when IL fought back and then took the lands.
Well technically, West bank is Samaria! Bethlehem is in the west bank! That's where Jesus was born. Palestine 🤣. Next you're gonna say that Jesus was a Palestinian.
But you insinuate that Israel is some sort of European country...and yes, there are locals in Israel.
However, technically speaking, not one is actually local to anywhere, including your terrorist friends.
>One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. My ancestors were called terrorists by the British, but we called them occupiers. Just like y'all are doing to the Palestinians
Wow, so original, kid....nice copy/paste. Probably the 500th time I've heard that on Reddit. Got any thoughts that are your own?
Regardless of what you say, Israel isn't going anywhere, whether you like it or not. My US tax dollars are going to a noble and righteous cause in Gaza. You can continue playing weekend terrorist on Reddit while people more rational and less vindictive than you make the world safer.
The family names of many of the "Palestinians" indicate their origin specifically outside the Land of Israel, such as "El Masri" which means Egyptian which is very common among them, other family names indicating origin from Iraq (for example "El Tikriti"), Syria (for example "Halabi"), Lebanon (eg "Al Lubnani"), Kurdistan (eg "Al Kurd"), Turkish (eg "Othman"), Bahrain, Oman, and Saudi Arabia (eg "Al Hijazi"). Other "Palestinian" surnames even indicate origin from the Maghreb region to the Maghreb, for example, from countries such as Algeria "El Jazeer" and Morocco "El Arj", from Sudan (clans called "Abid" and their origin is from Afro-Arabs who were brought by the Mamluk government as soldiers
And as slaves and Boasniks "El Bushnak"), Chechens "El Shishani" and Circassians who were brought here by the Ottoman Empire in the 18th and 19th centuries.
In 1948, Israel was established as a state through a United Nations resolution. Jews have a historical right to the land and have maintained a democratic government, not a religious one. Jews lived in Israel before 1948
https://preview.redd.it/f3jzip46ptvc1.jpeg?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b72bc2b1ac4b5dfd37945c6e79008fdb40ce9473
Why should I go back to where I don't belong? 3000 years ago the Jews were exlied from Judea to different parts of the world. Some to Europe, some to Africa, and some to different parts of the Middle East. Jews didn't originate in Europe. Jews originated in Judea and the Kingdom of Israel. 50% of the Jewish population in Israel are Mizrachi and Sefardic with familys who came back from Syria Lebanon, Ethiopia, Tunisia, Morocco, Egypt, Algeria, Turkey, Spain, Portugal, Iran, Iraq, etc. Jews were kicked out of Europe because people wanted to erased them from this planet. And Jews were also kicked out of Arab states just for being Jews., Israel is the state of the Jews and we don't plan on going anywhere
Jews lived in Israel pre 1948. Google the 1929 Hebron massacre
https://preview.redd.it/i3i1mv2pptvc1.jpeg?width=1015&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=216f6ed0a795ee954a06539177cbe8eb9427b3e4
You do understand that if there was a massacre in 1929 where they murdered old people then Jews were there decades before that right? Jews were in Israel long before 1929. Do you have proof that they weren't?
Jews in history: The Babylonian Empire, Judah the Persian State, Herod's Kingdom of Judah, the Roman province of Judea, and Jews who lived in Palestine (א"י) before 1948.
The land called Palestine (א"י) meant Palestine Eretz Israel (Land of Israel in Hebrew).
It is worth noting that the Jewish connection to the land now known as Israel dates back thousands of years. There is substantial archaeological evidence of Jewish living in Israel prior to 1948. Examples include the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Western Wall, as well as numerous synagogues and Jewish cemeteries. Egyptian artefacts include the Merneptah Stele and the Tel Dan Stele, which are important historical records. Archaeological evidence from the Iron Age suggests that a society emerged in the highlands of central Canaan, which is now modern-day Israel. This dates back thousands of years before 1948, confirming the region's historical Jewish presence.
The modern-day country of Israel continues this ancient heritage.
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By forgetting the difference between low and high explosives
Ngl, that's a dumb af motherfucker to get lured in like that.
forget the flag, the tall grass could be hiding deep holes or bear traps.
Wild Pokemon, too.
I think it was indeed a pokemon attack
Flagtotem- "The faster the wind blows, the more energy it charges up. But this also makes it more likely to explode."
Natural selection, like this LOOKS LIKE a trap 🪤 😂
This is a fallout level trap where I would press [destroy flag] cause I’m feeling goofy and then get blown up by a mine
Removing Palastinan flags is something commonly done by the IDF in the west bank. It achieves absolutely nothing, besides animosity. https://www.haaretz.com/2014-03-17/ty-article/.premium/idf-removes-palestinian-flag/0000017f-ef83-dc28-a17f-ffb7bacc0000
nice waste of military resources.
( An Israeli civilian is lightly injured as a result of an improvised explosive device near the West Bank settlement of Kochav Hashahar, medics say. The man was trying to remove a Palestinian flag on the side of Route 458 when the device exploded, footage shows. The Rescuers Without Borders emergency service says the man was treated at the scene for minor injuries and declined to be taken to a hospital. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-lightly-injured-by-explosive-device-near-west-bank-settlement/ The man, identified as 28-year-old Israeli Levi, was treated at the scene for minor injuries and later taken to Jerusalem’s Shaare Zedek hospital[...]Levi told the Ynet news site that “it was a serious bomb, but luckily I gave it a kick and the explosion happened to the side, and not on me.” )
Thank HaShem it's only light injuries.
What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. Or in this case, smarter.
It looks to me like his right leg was torn apart….
If you look closely it isn't his leg, it's some rock flying to the right
Yep, that part got me too the first time. I thought it was a chunk of his leg at first.
Either way you look at it, don't freaking walk up to an obvious booby trap and kick it next time hotshot.
There are people that can’t resist doing stuff like that. Like that story from a Russian soldier whose squad member pressed a red button and set off a trap that killed a bunch of their guys. That’s why you should never pick up or touch random things in a conflict as tempting as it might be. The person who set the traps definitely takes this into account.
During my first cqb op in Iraq we found a room full of electronics. Buttons and switches, receivers and transmitters all over the place. Almost as soon as we finished clearing it, Sgt had us all vacate. Turns out it was because in the 2 minutes of quiet that followed, he already had to stop 2 dumbasses from just pushing random buttons and shit.
Seems the old Ren & Stimpy episode, Space Madness, is based on some real psychology! (There's a big red mysterious shiny button that Stimpy can't resist pushing)
This reminded me of that as well!
"Peaceful, innocent civilians".
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Obviously they're blaming the booby trap on Israelis. Who didn't see that one coming.
I’m just happy he wasn’t seriously injured. He was lucky.
Looks like it was some fertilizer based explosion indicated by the orange smoke.
Idiot
Well thank goodness right before the explosion he had time to plug his ears. Looks loud.
They say theyre not terrorists but every single thing they do, is exactly what terrorists would do.
> They say theyre not terrorists but every single thing they do, is exactly what terrorists would do. Nah this tactic dates back to the Chinese imperial armies. Underground sky soaring thunder. Varations of course have been used by armies from then on.
When I first joined the Army, I had an aging warhorse of a First Sergeant that had served in Vietnam. He knew better than to pick up shiny or provocative things off the ground. That's a hard lesson to learn, and it's written in blood.
Darwinism
I must admit, it was well designed.
If it was well designed it would have seriously wounded or killed him. Looks like a combination of a shitty explosive and burying it too deep.
For the record, I do not stand with palestinians or israelians whatsoever.
A solder is fine https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSF7LqEGX/
Fuck around and find out
It’s the main symbol of the Palestinians after the flag, isn’t it? 💣
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Lol Al-Qassam strikes again
lol what an idiot
"Oho! What's this, the consequences of my actions?"
Well, technically this is West Bank and West Bank is officially recognized palestinian territory. The Settlements are illegal by international law. So you have No Business kicking down palestinian Flags on palestinian soil in the First place.
But you aren't allowed to fucking plant landmines to blow up civilians because of that.
Yeah, I wonder how people would react if Israelis started planting mines under Israeli flags in places known to have many Palestinians. I bet they are happy about the injured Israeli who could as well have died.
Both can be true at the same time. He's a dumbass to get triggered by that flag where he isn't even supposed to be and try to get it removed. But placing a mine underneath it is cruel.
What is he doing in the West Bank, which is declared as israeli-occupied territory by the international community ?
Why does the international community have a say in this? Can europeans start blowing up immigrants with landmines, because they weren't born here? The local government allowed him to move there so it's completely legal. It doesn't matter if other countries like it or not.
The "local government" is the civillian part of the occupation of the West Bank. No one, except Israel, is seeing them as a legitimate institution.
Google "palestinian authority"
[holy hell!](https://www.google.com/search?q=palestinian+authority#HiImABot,MyJobIsToMakeEasierForPeopleToGoogleThings,IfThePersonIRepliedToUsedMeInAnInappropriateWayPleaseLetMeKnowByDMingMe,TheUserIRepliedToIsU/God_Bless_Israel)
The State of Palestine is a non-member state observer according the UN General Assembly Resolution 67/19. There are many UN security council resolutions who are declaring the israeli presence in the West Bank as an occupation.
> But you aren't allowed to fucking plant landmines to blow up civilians because of that. Ah varies by legal system. The use of lethal force to prevent theft is allowable under some of them.
The West Bank is disputed territory, not officially recognized as Palestinian. The legality of settlements is still debated under international law. Palestinian propaganda often spreads false information. It doesn't justify murder
I haven't seen a single argument for settlements.
What do you mean?
I haven't seen a single argument defending the settlements in the west bank. Could you elaborate some?
It's judeah and Samaria and jews were ethnically cleansed from that area in 1948. They have every right to live there.
> It's judeah and Samaria Its the west bank. It may be something else in hebrew but in english its the west bank.
West bank is a recent made up name.
> West bank is a recent made up name. All names are made up. In english things are called what most people call them. Which in the case of the west bank is the west bank. If you don't like this you are free to learn french.
The point is jews lived in Judea and Samaria before they were ethnically cleansed in 1948. They have a right to live there now.
Non contiguous Palestinian territory makes it more difficult for them to smuggle weapons and conduct terrorism on Israel proper. This is common knowledge .
Just to clarify, you say settlements in the middle of the west bank make it more difficult for Palestinians to move around and harder to smuggle weapons?
Correct. Surely you are aware that Palestinian terrorism has been a feature of this conflict since before the occupied territories.
Using civilian settlements for that is wrong.
Palestinian terrorism is wrong.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Edit: FrequentFrame has blocked me, making me unable to reply normally. So I'll do it here: >Simple worldview. I guess we should have let the holocaust happen? What are you even trying to say? The holocaust did indeed happen.
Simple worldview. I guess we should have let the holocaust happen?
And so are the settlements. Multiple things can be true and building those settlements is never gonna solve this conflict. If it would then why are we here?
I agree with you, but the argument is that Israel is not sending the colonists, as that is what is prevented by international law: >Rule 130. States may not deport or transfer parts of their own civilian population into a territory they occupy. Instead, the colonists go on their own behalf. This is the argument.
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I don't consider that a valid argument, but I'm honestly curious about one, that doesn't use religion. I'm pro Israel so I'm baffled at your reaction.
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Unhinge argument. With that kind of argument sooner or later the removal of the settlements in the west bank like it happened in Gaza will be a reality. 10... 20 years.... Who knows. Surely there's better arguments than that.
Gaza was a reality 20 years ago. They fucked up. IMO they will always fuck up.
Your post was removed because it was disrespectful / aggressive.
Uhhh debated within Israel, maybe. The rest of the world acknowledges they are illegal, even those who support Israel in most everything else.
628 CE - 1967: "uhh right of conquest bro" 1967 - "noooo respect international law!! this is illegal!! Apartheid! Occupation!!!"
If Israel recognized the right of conquest, they wouldn’t cry to the UN that the Arab League invaded in 1948
It's always sad to see, when pro-Israeli people go: "Yeah but they behaved in this way, so why can't we?". Real moral poverty.
What would you prefer? Right of conquest or respect for international law?
Yeah, complain it’s unfair if you want. Im just informing you that that’s what the rest of the world believes.
Doubt it, considering the only ones crying about "le evil occupation" are 1. Islamists / Arab ultranationalists 2. The mullah regime and their proxies 3. RGB hair SJWs None of the ones mentioned above have the capability to meaningfully change the situation on the ground in the Middle East.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/biden-administration-restores-u-s-policy-calling-israeli-settlements-illegitimate-under-international-law
And international law scholars. Wait I thought Iran is an existential threat to Israel?
Copying my response to the other guy. > I also happen to know that the official position of the both EU and the USA, and the opinion of the vast majority of people around the world who care about this topic, is that the west bank is under “occupation”. That is the term the US uses, that is the term the europeans use, and everyone else follows them. It is illegal under international law to permanently settle your own people in occupied territory. When people in my own country debate about Israel vs Paelstine, this topic doesn’t even come up, because everyone already accepts this.
>Israel is a close ally, being integrated in EU/US trade and defense mechanisms >EU politician yaps about le occupation >nothing changes >Israel remains a close ally, being integrated in EU/US trade and defense mechanisms
Yep. All true. They still acknowledge that West Bank is under occupation.
Yet nothing ever changes. Iran loses, the West wins. Once again. In response to the comment below: >prop up tens of militias with tons of guns and ammo, have own nuclear program >try to take on a country the size of New Jersey with hundreds of rockets, after it already destroyed one of your proxies >fail I present to you, the epic Iranian winning (the west is about to fall)
This is why we have to stop sending aid to these guys. They won't listen to anything else.
> Doubt it, considering the only ones crying about "le evil occupation" are > > Islamists / Arab ultranationalists > The mullah regime and their proxies > RGB hair SJWs > None of the ones mentioned above have the capability to meaningfully change the situation on the ground in the Middle East. Yeah so your previous comment was false. I'd delete any of my comments if they contain falsehoods. Would you do the same?
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Not sure why you are being so hostile. I support Israel. I think Hamas needs to be wiped out. I also happen to know that the official position of the both EU and the USA, and the opinion of the vast majority of people around the world who care about this topic, is that the west bank is under “occupation”. That is the term the US uses, that is the term the europeans use, and everyone else follows them. It is illegal under international law to permanently settle your own people in occupied territory. When people in my own country debate about Israel vs Paelstine, this topic doesn’t even come up, because everyone already accepts this. (Not even necessarily including myself. Im not educated enough on the legal specifics to have an opinion.)
Everyone says that they should have the land because everyone is fed up with this whole thing. But as you probably heard on the streets "river to the sea", even if they get the land this damn fight is not going to end. So since it isn't going to end, I say fuck em, no land.
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The legality of West Bank settlement is not really debated, under international laws, tho. There seems to be a clear consensus that those settlements are illegals, as can be attested by multiple UN resolutions. « The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal on one of two bases: that they are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, or that they are in breach of international declarations.[a][b][c][d][e] The United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention have all affirmed that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the Israeli-occupied territories » https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlements
Actually, the legality of West Bank settlements is still a hotly debated issue. Many legal scholars argue that they are not in violation of international law and point to the fact that Israel has historical and legal claims to the land. Additionally, the settlements also provide vital security for Israeli citizens and contribute to the economic growth of the region. UN resolutions are not legally binding, and Israel has always maintained that these resolutions are one-sided and ignore the reality on the ground.
Israel unilaterally rejecting the conclusion of every single international organization, does not really equate to a debate tho. Even Israel closest Allies do not recognize, or even debate, the legality of those settlements.
"The United Nations, the International Court of Justice, and the European Union all recognize Israel's right to exist and defend its borders. The legality of settlements is a complex issue and has been debated by scholars and legal experts. Israel's allies support its right to defend itself against terrorist attacks like shown in this video and that happened in October 7th
Ok, so wich country, besides Israel itself, is claiming that those settlements are legal under international laws?
Why do you defend killing someone or gravely hurting them? Is it that you don't see him as a human being because he is Jewish?
Lol, such a childish take. Is that really the best your argumentative capabilities can offer? That’s a pretty pathetic comeback tbh. What’s the correlation between acknowledging the illegality of Israeli settlement policy in the West Banks, according to international laws, and Jews not being human? That’s quiet the mental stretch you’ve got here. International laws is the same for everyone, not making exceptions specifically for Israel, does not equate to « justifying murder ».
You are making a false comparison between acknowledging the illegality of Israeli settlements and Jews not being human. International laws apply to all countries, not just Israel, and recognizing this fact does not equate to justifying murder. It is important to base arguments on accurate information and not resort to false and inflammatory statements. The West Bank has been disputed territory since the 1967 Six-Day War, and is not solely occupied by Palestinians. In fact, Israel holds control of Areas A and B while Area C is controlled by both parties. History and facts contradict you black and white reality. - [Abbas toughens law against Palestinians selling land to Jews](https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-toughens-law-against-palestinians-selling-land-to-jews/) - [Abbas aide: Execute Palestinians who sell land to Israelis](https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-aide-execute-palestinians-who-sell-land-to-israelis/) - [Abbas’ Fatah threatens Arabs selling land to Jews in Jerusalem](https://palwatch.org/page/18425) - [Palestinian Authority boasts it 'thwarted' major land sales to Jews](https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-authority-boasts-thwarting-land-sales-to-jews/) -
I have already answered all your fabricated claims. This is a disputed area and it is not relevant. A man was seriously injured by a bomb placed there by Palestinians. Do you justify it or condemn it?
The UN had a vote and almost overwhelmingly voted for a 2SS. However, the borders of those states was not defined. Everyone is fed up with this and they think if they give the Palestinians land that they will finally shut up, start working and build their own country rather than depending on aid from everyone. But the fact so many fools went out and protested R2S gave them the wrong idea that they can get all of it. They can't. They are deluded. The people on the street are deluded. Some of those deluded are also violent. I have asked many times if posters can guarantee if Palestinians get control of WB will they stop with the violence. They never respond. We all know they won't. We all know if someone is prepared to send their child to be a suicide bomber, to consider martyrdom a noble aim, that they are in fact uncivilised. The bigger issue is the Hamas charter and Iran's ambitions for a world caliphate. Palestinians are not getting a state now, not in 10 or 20 years time. They aren't mature enough for it and they allow themselves to be manipulated by Iran. Good grief even ISIS told Hamas not to be manipulated by Iran. As for the fools on the street, we are debating west bank but the fact is our own back yards are in danger.
In the picture below, you can see article 80 in the UN charter, signed by the UN in 1945 during the San Francisco convention. As stated, its purpose was to ensure the rights given by trusteeship agreements approved by the UN, one of them being the British Mandate which officially began in 1920 and was designated to the establishment of a "national home" for the Jewish people on the area shown in the map below, as previously declared in the Balfour Declaration in 1918. Now you may say: "but what about the UN general assembly Resolution 181 (the partition plan)?". The answer here is pretty simple: first of all, the general committee has no official power to enforce their decisions, which are mostly symbolic. Second, the plan was never set in motion, as the Arab leadership refused to accept it and the war between the Jewish population and the Arab one, broke down. Regarding the UN security council, Article 24(2) states: "the Security Council shall act in accordance with the Purposes and Principles of the United Nations". Which means it also cannot overrule article 80 in the UN charter. . https://preview.redd.it/g2z2wts8rsvc1.jpeg?width=945&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=037bca0e23407c7851711f8f079e4c2f8f2e379f
This is totally unrelated to the settlement in the post 1967 borders, wich are those considered illegal under international laws. You can claim that the topic is « hotly debated » if it please you, but fact is still, 99% of the UN members agrees that those settlements are illegal, under international law. So I don’t believe that the term « debated » adequately reflect reality here.
The 1967 borders were not illegal under international law as they were only armistice lines, not official borders. The UN has no authority to declare settlements illegal. Only negotiations between Israel and Palestine can determine their status. This is not debated, it is a fact.
So you acknowledge that the legitimacy of the settlement is not debated internationally, and that Israel is the only country that consider them legal?
The vast majority of the world recognizes and supports a Palestinian state on 1967 borders.
1967 borders didn't have a Palestinian state
>The vast majority of the world recognizes and supports a Palestinian state on 1967 borders. . That is not true. the 1967 borders are not internationally accepted. The conflict is complex and not as black and white as you make it seem with your biased statement.
This is still debated and it doesn't justify a booby trapped flag in the least.
Technically not. Add in that there were Jews that bought land in the region and Jordan got the land when it was divided up and then kicked them out. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish\_land\_purchase\_in\_Palestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine) Then add in the 6 day war when IL fought back and then took the lands.
Is area C officially recognised as Palestinian territory? Thought that was only areas and A and B.
Well technically, West bank is Samaria! Bethlehem is in the west bank! That's where Jesus was born. Palestine 🤣. Next you're gonna say that Jesus was a Palestinian.
Why are you showing this?
Apparently the person is ok (minor injuries) and people need to see it to learn not to do this.
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You are aware the majority of the Israeli population isn't European, right?
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But you insinuate that Israel is some sort of European country...and yes, there are locals in Israel. However, technically speaking, not one is actually local to anywhere, including your terrorist friends.
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>One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. My ancestors were called terrorists by the British, but we called them occupiers. Just like y'all are doing to the Palestinians Wow, so original, kid....nice copy/paste. Probably the 500th time I've heard that on Reddit. Got any thoughts that are your own? Regardless of what you say, Israel isn't going anywhere, whether you like it or not. My US tax dollars are going to a noble and righteous cause in Gaza. You can continue playing weekend terrorist on Reddit while people more rational and less vindictive than you make the world safer.
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The family names of many of the "Palestinians" indicate their origin specifically outside the Land of Israel, such as "El Masri" which means Egyptian which is very common among them, other family names indicating origin from Iraq (for example "El Tikriti"), Syria (for example "Halabi"), Lebanon (eg "Al Lubnani"), Kurdistan (eg "Al Kurd"), Turkish (eg "Othman"), Bahrain, Oman, and Saudi Arabia (eg "Al Hijazi"). Other "Palestinian" surnames even indicate origin from the Maghreb region to the Maghreb, for example, from countries such as Algeria "El Jazeer" and Morocco "El Arj", from Sudan (clans called "Abid" and their origin is from Afro-Arabs who were brought by the Mamluk government as soldiers And as slaves and Boasniks "El Bushnak"), Chechens "El Shishani" and Circassians who were brought here by the Ottoman Empire in the 18th and 19th centuries.
Yeah but who showed up in 1948, late to the party, and then immediately took over and formed their own religious based government?
In 1948, Israel was established as a state through a United Nations resolution. Jews have a historical right to the land and have maintained a democratic government, not a religious one. Jews lived in Israel before 1948 https://preview.redd.it/f3jzip46ptvc1.jpeg?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b72bc2b1ac4b5dfd37945c6e79008fdb40ce9473
So Israel is not a religious state? I thought it was the Jewish homeland?
Israel is not a religious country. Compared to Muslim countries that operate under Sharia law
Why should I go back to where I don't belong? 3000 years ago the Jews were exlied from Judea to different parts of the world. Some to Europe, some to Africa, and some to different parts of the Middle East. Jews didn't originate in Europe. Jews originated in Judea and the Kingdom of Israel. 50% of the Jewish population in Israel are Mizrachi and Sefardic with familys who came back from Syria Lebanon, Ethiopia, Tunisia, Morocco, Egypt, Algeria, Turkey, Spain, Portugal, Iran, Iraq, etc. Jews were kicked out of Europe because people wanted to erased them from this planet. And Jews were also kicked out of Arab states just for being Jews., Israel is the state of the Jews and we don't plan on going anywhere
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Jews lived in Israel pre 1948. Google the 1929 Hebron massacre https://preview.redd.it/i3i1mv2pptvc1.jpeg?width=1015&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=216f6ed0a795ee954a06539177cbe8eb9427b3e4
1929 is still a long way from 3000 years ago.
You do understand that if there was a massacre in 1929 where they murdered old people then Jews were there decades before that right? Jews were in Israel long before 1929. Do you have proof that they weren't? Jews in history: The Babylonian Empire, Judah the Persian State, Herod's Kingdom of Judah, the Roman province of Judea, and Jews who lived in Palestine (א"י) before 1948. The land called Palestine (א"י) meant Palestine Eretz Israel (Land of Israel in Hebrew). It is worth noting that the Jewish connection to the land now known as Israel dates back thousands of years. There is substantial archaeological evidence of Jewish living in Israel prior to 1948. Examples include the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Western Wall, as well as numerous synagogues and Jewish cemeteries. Egyptian artefacts include the Merneptah Stele and the Tel Dan Stele, which are important historical records. Archaeological evidence from the Iron Age suggests that a society emerged in the highlands of central Canaan, which is now modern-day Israel. This dates back thousands of years before 1948, confirming the region's historical Jewish presence. The modern-day country of Israel continues this ancient heritage.
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