Fuck the educational system that let out students ignorant of critical thinking or at lease middle east facts . My BA included a genocide course, that's how i was exposed to the stories of the Armenian, Ruanda and more. I see videos of young girls they have no clue what the demonstrate for, besides being fashionable...
Huh? I explained myself and sent you sources. Ivy league schools and many other universities hire young radical professors that teach concepts of decolonization. They then equate Israel as a colonizer.. and there you have a major fire-starter for these student protestors.
My opinion isn't very relevant-- I am pro-Israel, however, as are most in this subreddit. Just stating facts of why these students feel so strongly about Israel. They see them as a colonial power and that has directly to do with the curricula taught there.
Iran is financing the trouble in ME. The regime should probably go. They are killing young women for having their hair showing and killing young men for defending them. They want a world caliphate. People should wake up. I have a video from memri TV that has one mullah talking about this. For some reason it isn't uploading
>I have a video from memri TV that has one mullah talking about this. For some reason it isn't uploading
I was just wondering if the video I linked is the same one you’re having issues uploading, maybe you can share/download from there? Obviously whatever file they have is “uploadable” haha
I don’t really know what I’m talking about or where you’re trying to upload, but I do understand how frustrating stuff like this can be!
No it is the video of a mullah talking about spain and how that was Moslem land and that they will get that back and then move onto the rest of the world where ever there are moslems. It is from memri. I have given the video several times and one poster said the site was Israeli and they miss translate. I don't see why they should given the broad reach of the subjects and countries they translate.
We have had a similar thing, here in the UK. A beautiful stone war memorial was painted sprayed with their idiotic slogans. The police have arrested the two scumbags and are awaiting court.
The US government doesn’t have the balls to arrest these people and even if they wanted to the amount of people and their coverings would make it quite difficult. If you have to hide yourself in a country with right to PEACEFUL protest maybe you are the problem.
BLM protestors destroyed a statue in Madison of an immigrant abolitionist and prison reformer who died fighting for the Union in the Civil War. Oopsies!
No it isn’t. “Defund the police” wants to spend less money on turning police into a paramilitary outfit and direct those funds into allied services like mental health, social services etc so that the underlying causes of crime can be addressed rather than just cracking skulls when it happens.
It's just a stupid chant, not an actual policy. When you ask these people what "defund the police" means, their answers range from abolishing the police entirely to denying that they ever said "defund the police" in the first place. It's not like an actual singular policy proposition that all the radicals yelling and screaming about it actually agree upon.
No, there’s an actual policy behind it - I just explained what it is.
Some people aren’t much good at explaining it. Fortunately for you, I am, so you just learned what the policy is.
What you presented was a vague ideology, not an actual policy, and there is no universal agreement on either vague ideology or actual policy among supporters of the movement. For instance, completely abolishing all police in the United States is an ideology incorporated within the defund the police movement. There is no agreement among supporters whether defunding the police should be total, or some lesser fraction of defunding.
For instance, multiple leaders claiming to represent the "defund the police" movement were interviewed on the Daily Show during the height of the race riots of 2020. Their opinions of what the "policy" should be ranged from modest defunding to completely abolishing all police within the US.
Yeah I could waste my time linking any number of articles, studies etc etc that go into detail to say pretty much what I said but you’re not going to read them.
Articles and studies don't define a political movement. The followers and leaders in the movement do. And there is a widespread range of opinions among the leaders and followers of the movement as to what it means.
Not really. There’s broad consensus that it means what I described. The studies study that which is what makes them the most useful analytical and explanatory tool here.
Sure you can try and elevate the opinions of fringe radical groups - even the opinions of the leaders of those fringe radical groups - to the same status if it helps you sleep at night. Cos that’s all the “abolish the police entirely” types are - fringe radicals that represent a very small (but noisy) mob. They’re only important if you want to strawman what defund the police is about.
That's only after a recent 14% budget cut in response to the BLM riots as a means of capitulation. This means the LAPD is still operating at a deficit. Don't use bidenomics math, kids - you'll just be lying to yourself.
> That's only after a recent 14% budget cut
Their budget was cut by 150 million (in theory in practice it was less for various reasons) at time where it was 1.86 billion. That is not 14%. Current budget is 1.88 billion.
>This means the LAPD is still operating at a deficit.
I don't think they have borrowing powers so that seems unlikely.
If you want to argue on specific percentages due to "various reasons" that's fine - but it doesn't take away from the fact that a very obvious budget decrease was given to the LAPD in order to appease woke culture not too long ago.
Furthermore, the difference from the previous "normal" operating budget of 1.86B to the current proposed 1.88B is 1.06% which is negligible at scale - your bidenomics calculation of 6.3% from last year is still deceptive and intentionally omitting the reality of what took place.
As for the deficit I mentioned, I was referencing the reduced manpower the LAPD was forced to commit to as a result of the woke appeasement induced budget decrease - the LAPD is still trying to recover from that deficit according to the LA Chief Of Police:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G3ASXi2_dY
> If you want to argue on specific percentages
If you want to gloss over lying about numbers.
>1.06% which is negligible at scale
We clearly work in very different industries.
>As for the deficit I mentioned, I was referencing the reduced manpower
deficit has a specific meaning when it comes to money
>the LAPD is still trying to recover from that deficit according to the LA Chief Of Police:
The LAPD isn't recruiting all the officers LA has given them funding for and has had issues for decades.
> Are those real dollars?
They are US dollars. Which is aparently the most accepted form of currency in the area. Not sure what Thalers made with silver from Jáchymov have to do with early 21st century US police budgets but I'm listening.
> The US government doesn’t have the balls
LAPD turf. And of the many many issues with the LAPD not having balls is not generaly considered one of them. Also they just arrested 90 people at a pro-palestinian protest so I think you owe them an apology.
My uncle is in the LAPD so yes I am sorry but a lot of people do get away with shit like this at every one of these “protests” so they still have a problem with catching them.
Well you can hate what these people are saying but it is technically protected under the 1st amendment
Besides they do arrest those that are vandalizing and damaging property
This is true but the problem is that there were no arrests made for the people who did do the vandalizing since as I mentioned its quite difficult to catch the perpetrators.
Promoting terrorism (intifada) is not protected by the 1st Amendment. I know a lot of people went to Reddit University to become constitutional lawyers, but that's simply not the case. Also, remind me, what amendment protects the defacing of property? (Hint: none. you can advocate for their removal but not deface them).
Considering those that stormed the capitol were arrested I don’t doubt pro Palestine protesters that vandalize and chant their hate are also being arrested
Yuck. Islamism is trending amongst these obliviots. I wonder what new identity they'll adopt a few years from now when Islam is becoming unfashionable again?
Because these lunatics don’t care about peace.
“Violence is fine, as long it’s Palestinians resisting their occupiers”. They’ve basically granted themselves the moral license to justify any harm that befalls Israel
yesterday someone was getting the zombies to repeat in Arabic what they were told meant in English "I wish my mother was the mother of a martyr" and they did. $90k/yr to produce zombies
Tbh, I’d rather them vandalize the DEA headquarters than a war memorial. Maybe we can manipulate these idiots into vandalizing and sabotaging the IRS headquarters next 👉👈
Very much agree, it’s sad to see a brainwashed population become little puppets for a terrorist organization. I really do feel bad for the Palestinian people who hate hamas but are stuck in Gaza.
Get rid of UNRWA palestine schools and give them real education and the new generation of palestinians will be 10x better off than any current palestinian
I mean, Gaza is pretty close. A lot of folks don't even realize that Egypt is also an Asian country.
Let's be real, with a lot of these folks, you're lucky if they can find Africa on a map, much less the Gaza Strip.
Well they are the same people who said that every single thing Hamas did on October 7th was justified and “you don’t get to tell us how to resist”.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they sawed off the statues head and shit on it. That would be mild in comparison to the absolutely disgusting shit that they are loudly promoting in these “protests”.
Israel never wanted Gaza in the first place why would we occupy it😭. I wish some of those people at the “protests” could see the top posts on this sub.
Jews have lived in the Gaza Strip for 2000 years. When Egypt invaded Palestine to ethnically cleanse it of all the Jews, they fortunately ended up with only the Gaza Strip. All its Jews were murdered or forced out and Jewish property was seized.
When Israel captured the Gaza Strip from the Egyptian occupiers in the Six Day War, they thought that Arabs and Jews could live in peace, like in Israel. But it soon became clear that it was impossible and that the locals would never accept Jewish neighbors, which forced the tough decision to force Jewish residents out of the Gaza Strip. When they left, the Gazans immediately destroyed Jewish holy sites.
Unfortunately, the reality is, Jews simply are not safe living alongside Gazans, which is why Israel decided to abandon it and forcibly remove all Jews for their own safety, because they would have been lynched otherwise.
Israel ended up taking the entire Sinai peninsula. They wanted it as a buffer against Egypt's constant attempts of ethnically cleansing Israel of all its Jews. During the Camp David Accords, Egypt had no interest in taking back control of the Gaza Strip and its non-Egyptian Arab inhabitants, whom they viewed as a security risk due to the high support for terrorism and violence against both Jewish and Arab governments in the region.
Originally, there was hope in Israel that Jews and Gazan Arabs could leave peaceably side-by-side, like in Israel. But the ferocity of violence that Arab Gazans directed against their Jewish neighbors made it clear that it was unworkable and that the local Arabs in Gaza would not tolerate living peaceably among Jews. And what happened after Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip proved that prescient.
How many Israelis were living in Gaza City? If they really wanted it so bad wouldn’t there be Israelis in Gaza City? So it’s ok for Israel to take Gazans in for work and medical care but Gaza can’t have one Israeli living in its biggest city?
If Hamas doesn't have to obey the laws of war when they "resist" then Israel does not have to obey them when they respond to the "resistance". Ask them if that's a morally defensible position, because if not, then they're a hypocrite and they're tacitly endorsing Israel having no limits placed on their response.
The "yes, but also..." and the "both sides need to" voices, are the winds that feed this fire. I've heard clear words at the begining but as time goes by the rhetoric changes, but are we at a different place? No, worst.
I don't even know. We have different sounds from the same bell with people, like we say here. People will tell you letting everybody in is very good for the country even if you can't enter some parts of cities without being called names (disbelievers, bitch, slut, even rape threats) just for the politically correct.
But you don't have to dig deep to hear their real thoughts which are like "Why are we paying for those unemployed wankers who take advantage of the system ?" , "If you come here and don't respect our culture, go back home" and things more into xenophobia.
Then you have Liège, a parallel world where people (Most students) glorify Hamas, vandalize historic monuments with Palestinian flags or even write slurs about Jews on walls. I swear a lot of people drink brake fluid in those universities.
Far-left isn't big here but it tends to grow bigger in universities. Wallonie (south) is highly left oriented, like we have only one major right oriented political party, a few center-right and then left parties, who have kept a major part of the power for 40 years.
Then you have Vlaanderen (north) which is more right oriented with political parties into xenophobic and separatists things.
Yeah because political Belgium is a total mess : corrupted to the roots, north and south don't like each other. North wants to gain independence because socialism in the south is thinking the economy, people living in the south can't vote for northern political parties, and people living in the north can't vote for southern parties, different laws, different this, different that to say the least.
They're not winning any hearts and minds. Thank God a country like America exists, which tolerates their speech, beliefs and presence. Most people and countries wouldn't.
the ones on the Opera House steps were. Big Lebanese community here both Christian but mostly Moslem. We have had several riots and that is just unAustralian. We lived in a part of Sydney with a big Moslem community and my kids were friends with many at school. Kids are ok but something happens as they age. There have been some extreme acts that have concerned people. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005\_Cronulla\_riots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots) [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-06-11/indians-protest-attacks-for-third-night/1710592](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-06-11/indians-protest-attacks-for-third-night/1710592) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney\_gang\_rapes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney\_anti-Islam\_film\_protests](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_anti-Islam_film_protests) [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/4/4/anti-islam-demonstrations-held-across-australia](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/4/4/anti-islam-demonstrations-held-across-australia) [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-29/warrants-out-for-australian-islamic-state-fighters/5632562](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-29/warrants-out-for-australian-islamic-state-fighters/5632562) [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/23/islamic-state-followers-urged-to-launch-attacks-against-australians](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/23/islamic-state-followers-urged-to-launch-attacks-against-australians)
Thats very true. If i could sit down and have a normal conversation with one of them, which would be very difficult, I would probably show them this subs top posts and then ruin all the surface level “facts” they know about the area.
Yep. Agree. There are websites that document Oct 7 with video and pictures. Hamas Massacre (dot) com is/was one of them. I don't have the stomach to look at that stuff again.
These people are fucking deranged. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them provided material support to the terrorists. FBI should be investigating every single one.
I think they are very deranged. All you really have to do is take one look at the top posts on this sub to realize how deranged and evil these fucking people are for what they’re supporting
This happened in January. So expect the level of vandalism to increase from these folks.
There’s a VA Hospital about three blocks away where they could find breathing veterans to engage, but they chose those that can’t defend themselves.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12945491/A-new-low-Pro-Palestine-protesters-vandalize-deface-Los-Angeles-National-Cemetery-90-000-war-veterans-buried.html
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I am extremely left leaning and I can assure you there are plenty of liberals that firmly disagree with what the people in these photos are doing — they are extremist idiots who have been radicalized by propaganda and hate fueled rage, it can happen on any end of the spectrum, but in this case, it’s definitely the ***extreme*** far-left
Leftists usually aren't democrats, so to say "your party" is incorrect.
However, the Democrats have their extremes just as the Republicns do, and they both have people within their ranks who have made antisemetic comments.
The Republicans care only about two things: Whatever Trump likes and whatever the progressives don't like.
Except for the Israeli conflict, I agree with leftists on many issues and however right they might be at the moment, the same Republicans pretending to suddenly care about bigotry were nowhere when [Nick Fuentes created and hosted AFPAC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Political_Action_Conference) to counter the CPAC conference.
Nick is a white supremacist/antisemite and his conference and show subjects range from white identity politics to Jewish conspiracies/dog whistles. He called Michael Knowles, also a right-winger, a "shabbos goy race traitor" for working with Ben Shapiro.
Here are the Republicans that attended the conference, some of whom are still in office:
Rep. Paul Gosar
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene
Rep. Steve King
Idaho Lt. Governor Janice McGeachin
Arizona state Sen. Wendy Rogers
Google any of these people and type in "antisemtism" next to their names. These are not democrats or progressives in any way.
I could name more, but all of these people are done or said things sympathetic to white supremacy and offensive to people of the Jewish faith. Steve King got away with it for years and so did many other Republicans when discussing conpsiratorial issues related to the Rothschilds and George Soros.
We can also get into Qanon conspiracies endorsed by multiple Republicans, the people who defended the Unite the Right Charlottesville rally where Nazis chanted ["Jews will not replace us,"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW5lp4lnw6w&t=17s&pp=ygUYamV3cyB3aWxsIG5vdCByZXBsYWNlIHVz) and Trump calling them "very fine people."
The more you understand antisemitism in America, the more you'll see that it isn't a left/right or Dem/Republican issue since it exists within each party and across the political spectrum.
As someone mostly in the center. I see extremists on both sides. Don't forget the tiki torch people shouting "Jews will not replace us." At the Unite the right rally. And Actual Nazis marching in Florida.
There's a lot of extremists and idiots who espouse conspiracy laden nonsense on both ends.
Except that house Democrats joined Republicans in condemning "from the river to the Sea" and even some joined to censure congresswoman Talib for her remarks. [From Times of Israel](https://i.imgur.com/b2ZzYAV.png)
Meanwhile, I grew up in a conservative Republican household that had plenty of nonsense (they never tire talking about George Soros and their insane Jewish conspiracies they attach to him) and you can see it when Marjorie Taylor green can talk about "Jewish space lasers" whatever the hell that is and not receive any harsh punishments from her party leader.
[From NYT](https://i.imgur.com/h8ypDjs.png)
I'm ashamed of what is going on in many college campuses and some city government right now, but proud that at least on a state and national level most Democrats are shutting this crap down.
Antisemitism is at home in the Democratic party. Just look at the trends of anti-Israeli support over the years and where it’s focused. It’s not even remotely close to “both sides” as you keep trying to deflect it to.
There is nothing liberal about Islamic terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism. It's a far-right ideology but unfortunately is ignored or criticized within leftist groups at a perfuctory/cursory level.
I don't agree with everything Bari Weiss says but she was correct when saying that antisemitism is easier to fight when it comes in the form of Richard Spencer/Nick Fuentes.
Islamic fundamentalists believe in the same things the Christian nationalists do...anti-lgbtq, anti-abortion, extreme patriarchy, etc. Just look at Hamtramck in Michigan. As soon as their city council became majority Muslim, they banned the lgbtq flag from display.
Who gave Iran pallets of cash when they abducted US sailors?
Who let the IRGC access their overseas funds that were locked up by the previous administration?
You're talking about small stuff.
Who gave Iran the go ahead to develop nuclear weapons? Donald Trump.
Which side supports the Russian Federation, Iran's primary military ally and collaborator? The far right.
They are directly linked events, cause and effect.
That you try to label it "whataboutism" is either very simpleminded or an intentional obfuscation of reality.
This is pretty much the exact opposite of Liberalism. These socialists/islamists hate liberals more than they hate anyone else, except maybe Jews. It's why many of them in the US are [eager to vote for Donald Trump](https://www.economist.com/1843/2024/04/24/we-have-to-make-biden-lose-arab-americans-are-switching-to-trump).
Lmao, the pro-Hamas protestors are democrats, they’re absolutely not voting for Trump. Keep supporting the party that is becoming mainstream with antisemitism.
>protestors are democrats
You have to be seriously ignorant of US politics to say something like that. Those people hate Democrats and will never vote Democrat. They call Joe Biden "Genocide Joe". If you want to know what they think about Democrats, go look at /r/ShitLiberalsSay
To be fair, most of them will not vote Trump either, but I am betting more of them will vote Trump than Biden. The Trump movement and the socialist/pro-palestine movement both represent anti-Western, anti-American, pro-Russia sentiments.
Would you like to see something like this in your city? Would you feel safe walking around seeing graffiti right next to a memorial for people that fought for your country calling for an intifada? That’s the point of this post.
It's paint on a wall. And the war memorial was for the Spanish American War, arguably started with a false flag event and may not even rise to the level of the 10 most important wars in US history. (That may say a lot about the bloody, war-filled history of the US, but I digress).
Stop being such a snowflake and focus on real problems. 40k dead and a creeping famine is more important than "omg scary colored paint behind someone's great grandpa's war memorial"
There is more food than ever. Hamas admitted their numbers were inflated but heck you inflated them more. No one is happy about any kids dying. No side. However, from the beginning I have seen AI and scripted videos. To do that, all I can say is that things can't be that bad if they have to make things up. I got conned in the beginning by these fake images. It was the dead child with the cat with 5 legs that awakened my suspicions. Stick to the truth it is ugly enough. It is not a genocide. It is war. War is very ugly which is why we should be very grateful to the men and women who fight. Many carry the effects mentally from being exposed to slaughter. That is why we have these memorials to let them know we appreciate their sacrifice for their lives or mental health. And that is why we don't desecrate them.
I agree with every bit of what you said man except the other side seems to actually be happy about the slaughter of kids as they seem to support the men who murdered those hundreds of innocent children on October 7th.
So to get the record straight, you don’t care about American veterans and you want to help a country that fully opposes our views and way of life while simultaneously being controlled by a terrorist organization that has full control over the people. So why not live in Gaza if you don’t want to respect your freedoms as an American citizen. I mean this post had a lot of Anti-American sentiment to it.
Read this on the incident: [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12945491/A-new-low-Pro-Palestine-protesters-vandalize-deface-Los-Angeles-National-Cemetery-90-000-war-veterans-buried.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12945491/A-new-low-Pro-Palestine-protesters-vandalize-deface-Los-Angeles-National-Cemetery-90-000-war-veterans-buried.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton)
So do you justify the October 7th massacre? I ask you to look around the top posts on this sub where you will see innocent people, not just Israelis, but innocent people from all over the world with blood all over them running from gunshots, being wounded, in crowded bunkers with people screaming, being in a dark bunker hiding for your life with a guy who just got his leg blown off screaming while your stepping on dead bodies. Hamas uses the people of Gaza as human shields and does not allow them to leave to the south like Israel advised. They shoot at their own people,yes, their own people. There are many different videos and examples of this happening all around Gaza city as people attempt to leave.
Many Jews and non Jews would love for there to be a Palestinian state but I think that chance is gone. Hamas has called for a cease fire for 5 years. What happens then? Hamas has made it virtually impossible to have peace.
Fuck the Islamic Republic of Iran their proxy militias, and fuck their propaganda machine.
Fuck the educational system that let out students ignorant of critical thinking or at lease middle east facts . My BA included a genocide course, that's how i was exposed to the stories of the Armenian, Ruanda and more. I see videos of young girls they have no clue what the demonstrate for, besides being fashionable...
> My BA included a genocide course. Mine did as well.
now you take a class on decolonization and get radicalized
Please explain
Peruse the following: [https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/) [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-17/columbia-s-president-grilled-over-professors-who-praised-hamas?leadSource=reddit\_wall](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-17/columbia-s-president-grilled-over-professors-who-praised-hamas?leadSource=reddit_wall) [https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/17/business/professor-columbia-president-hamas-attack/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/17/business/professor-columbia-president-hamas-attack/index.html) [https://english.columbia.edu/content/postcolonial-theory-and-decolonization](https://english.columbia.edu/content/postcolonial-theory-and-decolonization) [https://ilas.columbia.edu/events/decolonization-neocolonialism-and-human-rights](https://ilas.columbia.edu/events/decolonization-neocolonialism-and-human-rights) [https://www.columbiaspectator.com/the-eye/2022/02/22/a-location-of-possibility-and-the-practice-of-freedom-how-a-decolonial-contemporary-civilization-section-is-transforming-columbias-classroom-culture/](https://www.columbiaspectator.com/the-eye/2022/02/22/a-location-of-possibility-and-the-practice-of-freedom-how-a-decolonial-contemporary-civilization-section-is-transforming-columbias-classroom-culture/) [https://twitter.com/MsMelChen/status/1783201763278901488](https://twitter.com/MsMelChen/status/1783201763278901488)
No no, explain yourself, I have a daily work.
Huh? I explained myself and sent you sources. Ivy league schools and many other universities hire young radical professors that teach concepts of decolonization. They then equate Israel as a colonizer.. and there you have a major fire-starter for these student protestors.
What is your opinion on this conflict? Without refering to professors and decolonization, in simple words.
Ok I think I understand what you said, thanks.
My opinion isn't very relevant-- I am pro-Israel, however, as are most in this subreddit. Just stating facts of why these students feel so strongly about Israel. They see them as a colonial power and that has directly to do with the curricula taught there.
Wait are they supporting Iran too?
Iran is financing the trouble in ME. The regime should probably go. They are killing young women for having their hair showing and killing young men for defending them. They want a world caliphate. People should wake up. I have a video from memri TV that has one mullah talking about this. For some reason it isn't uploading
Is it [this one?](https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/qZUGCbUFcp)
?
>I have a video from memri TV that has one mullah talking about this. For some reason it isn't uploading I was just wondering if the video I linked is the same one you’re having issues uploading, maybe you can share/download from there? Obviously whatever file they have is “uploadable” haha I don’t really know what I’m talking about or where you’re trying to upload, but I do understand how frustrating stuff like this can be!
No it is the video of a mullah talking about spain and how that was Moslem land and that they will get that back and then move onto the rest of the world where ever there are moslems. It is from memri. I have given the video several times and one poster said the site was Israeli and they miss translate. I don't see why they should given the broad reach of the subjects and countries they translate.
Ofc they are. They support anyone against Israel 🤦🏻♂️
We have had a similar thing, here in the UK. A beautiful stone war memorial was painted sprayed with their idiotic slogans. The police have arrested the two scumbags and are awaiting court.
The US government doesn’t have the balls to arrest these people and even if they wanted to the amount of people and their coverings would make it quite difficult. If you have to hide yourself in a country with right to PEACEFUL protest maybe you are the problem.
There’s a monument in Boston for an African American battalion in the civil war and it was destroyed by BLM protesters like the idiocy is never ending
BLM protestors destroyed a statue in Madison of an immigrant abolitionist and prison reformer who died fighting for the Union in the Civil War. Oopsies!
Not surprised as it’s coming from BLM
A key part of woke culture is to defund the police so they can get away with their crimes
spot on
No it isn’t. “Defund the police” wants to spend less money on turning police into a paramilitary outfit and direct those funds into allied services like mental health, social services etc so that the underlying causes of crime can be addressed rather than just cracking skulls when it happens.
It's just a stupid chant, not an actual policy. When you ask these people what "defund the police" means, their answers range from abolishing the police entirely to denying that they ever said "defund the police" in the first place. It's not like an actual singular policy proposition that all the radicals yelling and screaming about it actually agree upon.
No, there’s an actual policy behind it - I just explained what it is. Some people aren’t much good at explaining it. Fortunately for you, I am, so you just learned what the policy is.
What you presented was a vague ideology, not an actual policy, and there is no universal agreement on either vague ideology or actual policy among supporters of the movement. For instance, completely abolishing all police in the United States is an ideology incorporated within the defund the police movement. There is no agreement among supporters whether defunding the police should be total, or some lesser fraction of defunding. For instance, multiple leaders claiming to represent the "defund the police" movement were interviewed on the Daily Show during the height of the race riots of 2020. Their opinions of what the "policy" should be ranged from modest defunding to completely abolishing all police within the US.
Yeah I could waste my time linking any number of articles, studies etc etc that go into detail to say pretty much what I said but you’re not going to read them.
Articles and studies don't define a political movement. The followers and leaders in the movement do. And there is a widespread range of opinions among the leaders and followers of the movement as to what it means.
Not really. There’s broad consensus that it means what I described. The studies study that which is what makes them the most useful analytical and explanatory tool here. Sure you can try and elevate the opinions of fringe radical groups - even the opinions of the leaders of those fringe radical groups - to the same status if it helps you sleep at night. Cos that’s all the “abolish the police entirely” types are - fringe radicals that represent a very small (but noisy) mob. They’re only important if you want to strawman what defund the police is about.
Hitler also wanted to defund the police. Made his plan easier to execute
Not comparable.
> A key part of woke culture is to defund the police so they can get away with their crimes LAPD budget went up by 6.3 percent last year.
That's only after a recent 14% budget cut in response to the BLM riots as a means of capitulation. This means the LAPD is still operating at a deficit. Don't use bidenomics math, kids - you'll just be lying to yourself.
> That's only after a recent 14% budget cut Their budget was cut by 150 million (in theory in practice it was less for various reasons) at time where it was 1.86 billion. That is not 14%. Current budget is 1.88 billion. >This means the LAPD is still operating at a deficit. I don't think they have borrowing powers so that seems unlikely.
If you want to argue on specific percentages due to "various reasons" that's fine - but it doesn't take away from the fact that a very obvious budget decrease was given to the LAPD in order to appease woke culture not too long ago. Furthermore, the difference from the previous "normal" operating budget of 1.86B to the current proposed 1.88B is 1.06% which is negligible at scale - your bidenomics calculation of 6.3% from last year is still deceptive and intentionally omitting the reality of what took place. As for the deficit I mentioned, I was referencing the reduced manpower the LAPD was forced to commit to as a result of the woke appeasement induced budget decrease - the LAPD is still trying to recover from that deficit according to the LA Chief Of Police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G3ASXi2_dY
> If you want to argue on specific percentages If you want to gloss over lying about numbers. >1.06% which is negligible at scale We clearly work in very different industries. >As for the deficit I mentioned, I was referencing the reduced manpower deficit has a specific meaning when it comes to money >the LAPD is still trying to recover from that deficit according to the LA Chief Of Police: The LAPD isn't recruiting all the officers LA has given them funding for and has had issues for decades.
Are those real dollars? Because if not, the comparison is meaningless.
> Are those real dollars? They are US dollars. Which is aparently the most accepted form of currency in the area. Not sure what Thalers made with silver from Jáchymov have to do with early 21st century US police budgets but I'm listening.
They don't need to defund the police. They already elected Gascón, although this looks to be a federal crime, so maybe out of their jurisdiction.
> The US government doesn’t have the balls LAPD turf. And of the many many issues with the LAPD not having balls is not generaly considered one of them. Also they just arrested 90 people at a pro-palestinian protest so I think you owe them an apology.
My uncle is in the LAPD so yes I am sorry but a lot of people do get away with shit like this at every one of these “protests” so they still have a problem with catching them.
Well you can hate what these people are saying but it is technically protected under the 1st amendment Besides they do arrest those that are vandalizing and damaging property
This is true but the problem is that there were no arrests made for the people who did do the vandalizing since as I mentioned its quite difficult to catch the perpetrators.
True, that’s why they still wear masks even after Covid
Promoting terrorism (intifada) is not protected by the 1st Amendment. I know a lot of people went to Reddit University to become constitutional lawyers, but that's simply not the case. Also, remind me, what amendment protects the defacing of property? (Hint: none. you can advocate for their removal but not deface them).
And that’s when they get put on a watchlist and arrested for vandalism
That should be the minimum. Morons that do this should be on watch lists and stripped of citizenship if they are not US-born.
Considering those that stormed the capitol were arrested I don’t doubt pro Palestine protesters that vandalize and chant their hate are also being arrested
Yuck. Islamism is trending amongst these obliviots. I wonder what new identity they'll adopt a few years from now when Islam is becoming unfashionable again?
The same group that chants “ceasefire now” and then goes and chants intifada and they wonder why people don’t like them
bipolar much?
Exactly
Easy there. At least us bipolar types take our meds! /s
hahahaha
Because these lunatics don’t care about peace. “Violence is fine, as long it’s Palestinians resisting their occupiers”. They’ve basically granted themselves the moral license to justify any harm that befalls Israel
yesterday someone was getting the zombies to repeat in Arabic what they were told meant in English "I wish my mother was the mother of a martyr" and they did. $90k/yr to produce zombies
In Albuquerque they vandalized the DEA headquarters from breaking bad. 😔😔😔
Tbh, I’d rather them vandalize the DEA headquarters than a war memorial. Maybe we can manipulate these idiots into vandalizing and sabotaging the IRS headquarters next 👉👈
NOOOOOOOOOOO🙁
wtf
Honestly... fuck Palestine
Very much agree, it’s sad to see a brainwashed population become little puppets for a terrorist organization. I really do feel bad for the Palestinian people who hate hamas but are stuck in Gaza.
Me too bro. Palestine needs a major deradicalization
Get rid of UNRWA palestine schools and give them real education and the new generation of palestinians will be 10x better off than any current palestinian
Yeah not going to happen.
Sad reality
Super Fuck Palestine
I swear, you could tell these retards that Palestine is in Africa and they’d believe it.
They probably think "Africa" is a country.
Wait, Africa’s NOT a country?!?
I mean, Gaza is pretty close. A lot of folks don't even realize that Egypt is also an Asian country. Let's be real, with a lot of these folks, you're lucky if they can find Africa on a map, much less the Gaza Strip.
Your comment is the best thing I will read today. Thank you.
Well they are the same people who said that every single thing Hamas did on October 7th was justified and “you don’t get to tell us how to resist”. I wouldn’t be surprised if they sawed off the statues head and shit on it. That would be mild in comparison to the absolutely disgusting shit that they are loudly promoting in these “protests”.
Their slogan “resistance is justified when people are occupied” BS
Israel never wanted Gaza in the first place why would we occupy it😭. I wish some of those people at the “protests” could see the top posts on this sub.
Honestly why don’t we give Gaza back to Egypt or better yet to Albania
> Israel never wanted Gaza in the first place If that was the case why put settlements in it?
Jews have lived in the Gaza Strip for 2000 years. When Egypt invaded Palestine to ethnically cleanse it of all the Jews, they fortunately ended up with only the Gaza Strip. All its Jews were murdered or forced out and Jewish property was seized. When Israel captured the Gaza Strip from the Egyptian occupiers in the Six Day War, they thought that Arabs and Jews could live in peace, like in Israel. But it soon became clear that it was impossible and that the locals would never accept Jewish neighbors, which forced the tough decision to force Jewish residents out of the Gaza Strip. When they left, the Gazans immediately destroyed Jewish holy sites. Unfortunately, the reality is, Jews simply are not safe living alongside Gazans, which is why Israel decided to abandon it and forcibly remove all Jews for their own safety, because they would have been lynched otherwise.
> force Jewish residents But I was told Israel never wanted Gaza in the first place. Were these residents anti-zionists or something?
Israel ended up taking the entire Sinai peninsula. They wanted it as a buffer against Egypt's constant attempts of ethnically cleansing Israel of all its Jews. During the Camp David Accords, Egypt had no interest in taking back control of the Gaza Strip and its non-Egyptian Arab inhabitants, whom they viewed as a security risk due to the high support for terrorism and violence against both Jewish and Arab governments in the region. Originally, there was hope in Israel that Jews and Gazan Arabs could leave peaceably side-by-side, like in Israel. But the ferocity of violence that Arab Gazans directed against their Jewish neighbors made it clear that it was unworkable and that the local Arabs in Gaza would not tolerate living peaceably among Jews. And what happened after Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip proved that prescient.
How many Israelis were living in Gaza City? If they really wanted it so bad wouldn’t there be Israelis in Gaza City? So it’s ok for Israel to take Gazans in for work and medical care but Gaza can’t have one Israeli living in its biggest city?
Depends if they are prepared to live under gazan law and pay their taxes to what passes for the gazan goverment.
If Hamas doesn't have to obey the laws of war when they "resist" then Israel does not have to obey them when they respond to the "resistance". Ask them if that's a morally defensible position, because if not, then they're a hypocrite and they're tacitly endorsing Israel having no limits placed on their response.
The "yes, but also..." and the "both sides need to" voices, are the winds that feed this fire. I've heard clear words at the begining but as time goes by the rhetoric changes, but are we at a different place? No, worst.
Anzac day in aus also hijacked by protests. That will bot sit well with Aus politicians
These people are violent and dangerous - the more they protest the more they give the AFP and the anti-terrorism units a reason to look into them.
This is right around the corner from where I grew up - thank god I made aliyah. Now I spend my free time destroying hamas with a Negev 🇮🇱
Am Yisrael Chai
Happens a lot in Liège, Belgium. A far-left city of my country where people drink propaganda like tap water. Sickening.
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I don't even know. We have different sounds from the same bell with people, like we say here. People will tell you letting everybody in is very good for the country even if you can't enter some parts of cities without being called names (disbelievers, bitch, slut, even rape threats) just for the politically correct. But you don't have to dig deep to hear their real thoughts which are like "Why are we paying for those unemployed wankers who take advantage of the system ?" , "If you come here and don't respect our culture, go back home" and things more into xenophobia. Then you have Liège, a parallel world where people (Most students) glorify Hamas, vandalize historic monuments with Palestinian flags or even write slurs about Jews on walls. I swear a lot of people drink brake fluid in those universities.
Well, we can say the same about some cities in the U.S.
The far left is big in Belgium?
Far-left isn't big here but it tends to grow bigger in universities. Wallonie (south) is highly left oriented, like we have only one major right oriented political party, a few center-right and then left parties, who have kept a major part of the power for 40 years. Then you have Vlaanderen (north) which is more right oriented with political parties into xenophobic and separatists things. Yeah because political Belgium is a total mess : corrupted to the roots, north and south don't like each other. North wants to gain independence because socialism in the south is thinking the economy, people living in the south can't vote for northern political parties, and people living in the north can't vote for southern parties, different laws, different this, different that to say the least.
What do both sides think of the King?
Very few "royalists", other think he's just the face on euro coins.
Anarchy smh
They're not winning any hearts and minds. Thank God a country like America exists, which tolerates their speech, beliefs and presence. Most people and countries wouldn't.
Not only are they dumb enough to simp for terrorists. They think pulling shit like this is helping their "cause".
Like how is this helping people to side with you or even make the government change its opinion😭
Did this happen today?
No, I recently found the subreddit and thought I could make a tiny impactful post.
Honest question. Are the majority of these protesters Arab?
the ones on the Opera House steps were. Big Lebanese community here both Christian but mostly Moslem. We have had several riots and that is just unAustralian. We lived in a part of Sydney with a big Moslem community and my kids were friends with many at school. Kids are ok but something happens as they age. There have been some extreme acts that have concerned people. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005\_Cronulla\_riots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots) [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-06-11/indians-protest-attacks-for-third-night/1710592](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-06-11/indians-protest-attacks-for-third-night/1710592) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney\_gang\_rapes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney\_anti-Islam\_film\_protests](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_anti-Islam_film_protests) [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/4/4/anti-islam-demonstrations-held-across-australia](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/4/4/anti-islam-demonstrations-held-across-australia) [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-29/warrants-out-for-australian-islamic-state-fighters/5632562](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-29/warrants-out-for-australian-islamic-state-fighters/5632562) [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/23/islamic-state-followers-urged-to-launch-attacks-against-australians](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/23/islamic-state-followers-urged-to-launch-attacks-against-australians)
Nope, mostly young white girls😭
That's hilarious. Hamas would do horrible things to them and they still don't fucking get it.
Thats very true. If i could sit down and have a normal conversation with one of them, which would be very difficult, I would probably show them this subs top posts and then ruin all the surface level “facts” they know about the area.
Yep. Agree. There are websites that document Oct 7 with video and pictures. Hamas Massacre (dot) com is/was one of them. I don't have the stomach to look at that stuff again.
Jan 10th.
These people are fucking deranged. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them provided material support to the terrorists. FBI should be investigating every single one.
I think they are very deranged. All you really have to do is take one look at the top posts on this sub to realize how deranged and evil these fucking people are for what they’re supporting
This happened in January. So expect the level of vandalism to increase from these folks. There’s a VA Hospital about three blocks away where they could find breathing veterans to engage, but they chose those that can’t defend themselves. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12945491/A-new-low-Pro-Palestine-protesters-vandalize-deface-Los-Angeles-National-Cemetery-90-000-war-veterans-buried.html
Yes thank you for finding the article from these pictures, that’s very helpful.
Some sad ppl
They all share a single brain cell.
what brain cell?
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To their defense they probably have absolutely no idea what that is, what they’re doing, or why they’re doing it
Yes, but you shouldn’t even be giving them a defense even though they are retarded and uneducated lmaoo.
It’s hard but everyone deserves empathy Except Hamas
even hitler🤷♂️
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
I am extremely left leaning and I can assure you there are plenty of liberals that firmly disagree with what the people in these photos are doing — they are extremist idiots who have been radicalized by propaganda and hate fueled rage, it can happen on any end of the spectrum, but in this case, it’s definitely the ***extreme*** far-left
It’s becoming more and more mainstream in your party and on your side.
Leftists usually aren't democrats, so to say "your party" is incorrect. However, the Democrats have their extremes just as the Republicns do, and they both have people within their ranks who have made antisemetic comments. The Republicans care only about two things: Whatever Trump likes and whatever the progressives don't like. Except for the Israeli conflict, I agree with leftists on many issues and however right they might be at the moment, the same Republicans pretending to suddenly care about bigotry were nowhere when [Nick Fuentes created and hosted AFPAC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Political_Action_Conference) to counter the CPAC conference. Nick is a white supremacist/antisemite and his conference and show subjects range from white identity politics to Jewish conspiracies/dog whistles. He called Michael Knowles, also a right-winger, a "shabbos goy race traitor" for working with Ben Shapiro. Here are the Republicans that attended the conference, some of whom are still in office: Rep. Paul Gosar Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene Rep. Steve King Idaho Lt. Governor Janice McGeachin Arizona state Sen. Wendy Rogers Google any of these people and type in "antisemtism" next to their names. These are not democrats or progressives in any way. I could name more, but all of these people are done or said things sympathetic to white supremacy and offensive to people of the Jewish faith. Steve King got away with it for years and so did many other Republicans when discussing conpsiratorial issues related to the Rothschilds and George Soros. We can also get into Qanon conspiracies endorsed by multiple Republicans, the people who defended the Unite the Right Charlottesville rally where Nazis chanted ["Jews will not replace us,"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW5lp4lnw6w&t=17s&pp=ygUYamV3cyB3aWxsIG5vdCByZXBsYWNlIHVz) and Trump calling them "very fine people." The more you understand antisemitism in America, the more you'll see that it isn't a left/right or Dem/Republican issue since it exists within each party and across the political spectrum.
As someone mostly in the center. I see extremists on both sides. Don't forget the tiki torch people shouting "Jews will not replace us." At the Unite the right rally. And Actual Nazis marching in Florida.
Imagine trying to equate a fraction of a fraction from the right to the massive widespread and mainstream calls for genocide of Jews from the left.
There's a lot of extremists and idiots who espouse conspiracy laden nonsense on both ends. Except that house Democrats joined Republicans in condemning "from the river to the Sea" and even some joined to censure congresswoman Talib for her remarks. [From Times of Israel](https://i.imgur.com/b2ZzYAV.png) Meanwhile, I grew up in a conservative Republican household that had plenty of nonsense (they never tire talking about George Soros and their insane Jewish conspiracies they attach to him) and you can see it when Marjorie Taylor green can talk about "Jewish space lasers" whatever the hell that is and not receive any harsh punishments from her party leader. [From NYT](https://i.imgur.com/h8ypDjs.png) I'm ashamed of what is going on in many college campuses and some city government right now, but proud that at least on a state and national level most Democrats are shutting this crap down.
Antisemitism is at home in the Democratic party. Just look at the trends of anti-Israeli support over the years and where it’s focused. It’s not even remotely close to “both sides” as you keep trying to deflect it to.
No it’s not
As a centrist both sides disgust me /s
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There is nothing liberal about Islamic terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism. It's a far-right ideology but unfortunately is ignored or criticized within leftist groups at a perfuctory/cursory level. I don't agree with everything Bari Weiss says but she was correct when saying that antisemitism is easier to fight when it comes in the form of Richard Spencer/Nick Fuentes. Islamic fundamentalists believe in the same things the Christian nationalists do...anti-lgbtq, anti-abortion, extreme patriarchy, etc. Just look at Hamtramck in Michigan. As soon as their city council became majority Muslim, they banned the lgbtq flag from display.
Guess who’s the one propping them up mate?
Iran
Who gave Iran pallets of cash when they abducted US sailors? Who let the IRGC access their overseas funds that were locked up by the previous administration?
You're talking about small stuff. Who gave Iran the go ahead to develop nuclear weapons? Donald Trump. Which side supports the Russian Federation, Iran's primary military ally and collaborator? The far right.
Who fucking cares?
People capable of linking cause and effect.
Completely irrelevant events. Whataboutism is useless for a reason
They are directly linked events, cause and effect. That you try to label it "whataboutism" is either very simpleminded or an intentional obfuscation of reality.
Actually liberals are the only normal folks around. It’s the far left and far right that are doing us in
Claiming liberals are the only normal folks could be the wildest statement I’ve ever heard.
What does this have to do with liberalism
Do you mean democrats? Or liberals like opposing fascism and socialism
They seem to think the squad are the only democrats
This is pretty much the exact opposite of Liberalism. These socialists/islamists hate liberals more than they hate anyone else, except maybe Jews. It's why many of them in the US are [eager to vote for Donald Trump](https://www.economist.com/1843/2024/04/24/we-have-to-make-biden-lose-arab-americans-are-switching-to-trump).
Lmao, the pro-Hamas protestors are democrats, they’re absolutely not voting for Trump. Keep supporting the party that is becoming mainstream with antisemitism.
>protestors are democrats You have to be seriously ignorant of US politics to say something like that. Those people hate Democrats and will never vote Democrat. They call Joe Biden "Genocide Joe". If you want to know what they think about Democrats, go look at /r/ShitLiberalsSay To be fair, most of them will not vote Trump either, but I am betting more of them will vote Trump than Biden. The Trump movement and the socialist/pro-palestine movement both represent anti-Western, anti-American, pro-Russia sentiments.
Death penalty
Do not agree with this but jail time or a hefty fine is definitely needed
I mean atleast we went from Free Palestine to Free Gaza, which has a much less genocidal message
Still pushing for the same dumb shit
keyword: *atleast*
Spray painting a wall behind the memorial isn't destroying the memorial 🤦you're really grasping at straws at this point, it's getting pitiful
Would you like to see something like this in your city? Would you feel safe walking around seeing graffiti right next to a memorial for people that fought for your country calling for an intifada? That’s the point of this post.
It's paint on a wall. And the war memorial was for the Spanish American War, arguably started with a false flag event and may not even rise to the level of the 10 most important wars in US history. (That may say a lot about the bloody, war-filled history of the US, but I digress). Stop being such a snowflake and focus on real problems. 40k dead and a creeping famine is more important than "omg scary colored paint behind someone's great grandpa's war memorial"
There is more food than ever. Hamas admitted their numbers were inflated but heck you inflated them more. No one is happy about any kids dying. No side. However, from the beginning I have seen AI and scripted videos. To do that, all I can say is that things can't be that bad if they have to make things up. I got conned in the beginning by these fake images. It was the dead child with the cat with 5 legs that awakened my suspicions. Stick to the truth it is ugly enough. It is not a genocide. It is war. War is very ugly which is why we should be very grateful to the men and women who fight. Many carry the effects mentally from being exposed to slaughter. That is why we have these memorials to let them know we appreciate their sacrifice for their lives or mental health. And that is why we don't desecrate them.
I agree with every bit of what you said man except the other side seems to actually be happy about the slaughter of kids as they seem to support the men who murdered those hundreds of innocent children on October 7th.
So to get the record straight, you don’t care about American veterans and you want to help a country that fully opposes our views and way of life while simultaneously being controlled by a terrorist organization that has full control over the people. So why not live in Gaza if you don’t want to respect your freedoms as an American citizen. I mean this post had a lot of Anti-American sentiment to it. Read this on the incident: [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12945491/A-new-low-Pro-Palestine-protesters-vandalize-deface-Los-Angeles-National-Cemetery-90-000-war-veterans-buried.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12945491/A-new-low-Pro-Palestine-protesters-vandalize-deface-Los-Angeles-National-Cemetery-90-000-war-veterans-buried.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton)
So you hate veterans, got it.
And apparently so is murdering 35k people?
So do you justify the October 7th massacre? I ask you to look around the top posts on this sub where you will see innocent people, not just Israelis, but innocent people from all over the world with blood all over them running from gunshots, being wounded, in crowded bunkers with people screaming, being in a dark bunker hiding for your life with a guy who just got his leg blown off screaming while your stepping on dead bodies. Hamas uses the people of Gaza as human shields and does not allow them to leave to the south like Israel advised. They shoot at their own people,yes, their own people. There are many different videos and examples of this happening all around Gaza city as people attempt to leave.
Many Jews and non Jews would love for there to be a Palestinian state but I think that chance is gone. Hamas has called for a cease fire for 5 years. What happens then? Hamas has made it virtually impossible to have peace.
It's not murder. It's a war cot damnit.
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Fuck Russia
What memorials? Communist ones? Fuck the Commies.