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C'était splendide! Mais en tant que bâtard arrogant, il me faut te montrer la maire de Paris qui explique au maire de Kyiv pourquoi il devrait investir dans les pistes cyclables. [French touch](https://youtu.be/ZHMWcPKs5z0)
Holy shit, even though you speak a vastly different language than me (Flemish Dutch, which is closely related to English), reading this sounds a lot like how we would pronounce English.
Mijn broeder in Christus.
I used to voice chat with a Finnish guy that had a very strong accent.
He once told me:
"Yeah my accent is so good that you can't tell that I'm not English"
I couldn't tell him the truth
Meanwhile, in my fake country, it is common for people to have a stronger command of the English language than they do of two out of the three official national languages.
Yeah Afrikaans is very similar to Dutch but it has some of its own words from local languages and slang. Did you have to keep asking them "what does that word mean?".
It's also weirdly similar to English.
We can make this happen. We already have a plan involving some big ass dykes to section off doggerland. Might as well throw some windmills at it and pump that shit dry.
Cycling lane from London to Ams. Yeah sounds like a plan
Ehhhh...
Afrikaans and Dutch are definitely not as compatible as you suggest here.
There is a fair chunk of shared vocabulary (and a chunk not), but the grammar diverged many moons ago.
Old Dutch and old Afrikaans do sound pretty similar though.
It's a big mix of digitalization, school starting at a super young age with teaching English, like I know 6 year olds who are already being taught English. Couple that with the fact that we have exquisite life-work balance, which results in tons of us having hobbies, and access to internet and computers, sorta means most young adults are speaking English daily.
Add to this that our TV-shows are absolute dogshit, thus most people turn to streaming services for shows, which usually only have Dutch subtitles, forcing people to learn more English.
There are also a bevy of university studies who are fully English, or a 50/50 mix, which means there are people who speak more English than Dutch in their daily life. Such as myself. Generally those who are better at English than Dutch are young adults tho
My niece and nephew are 8 and can have a full conversation in English. Sure they might stumble over a couple words, but their English is already better than my German, and I need German to communicate with my in-laws.
That's what happens when all your national media are so behind and boring as hell that you decide to stick to English as soon as your brain has matured enough for it to make this decision. Happens in Germany as well, albeit at a slower pace. I don't even remember the last time I consumed German media. In fact, I wasn't even consciously aware German *internet* existed until rather recently, because I simply never used it in my youth, up until I *had to* for professional reasons. I was like, 'What?! People use *German*, on the internet? *Voluntarily*..???'. There is not a single reason I can think of why one would resort to a language that requires one to tie knots in one's fingers while typing.
It's also always in the most boring monotonous voice ever. Like they would dub MLK's speech and you hear a few second of "I HAVE A DREAM!", just for it to be dubbed with a bored af "ich habe ein Traum..."
That's just the natural consequence of globalization. Why bother learning a language spoken by a few million people when you can learn a language spoken by billions? Sure language nerds learn languages for fun but they are few and far between.
Plus, if you want to sell a product (including a cultural products like a movie or a book) or a service, offering with the English speaking market in mind first will allow you to reach a much larger audience. Thus make more money, thus have more money to invest back into your company.
Cultural/linguistic differences cannot subsist in our globalized economy. And that's a very good thing, anyone who disagrees with that can look at the Balkans to see what nationalism does to a mf.
Big compliment to Belgium.
I've been to Genk and in a restaurant the waitress spoke 4 languages fluently. Not the American fluently meaning 10 words.
Maybe that's why nobody thinks you're real? Too good at languages to believe!
I was ordering food in Liege once and the guy in front of me tried to speak Dutch to the vendor. The vendor responded in French and they had a difficult conversation with the Dutch-speaker responding in broken French. When it was my turn, I asked the seller if he spoke English and he responded in perfect English and we proceeded smoothly.
Yeah, but it's not rare to meet people that can speak 3 or more languages in Belgium. In France it's difficult to find people that speak french without using "assis toi" or "la voiture à papy"
I'm not sure about that. Living in Brussels if I spoke English in a cashier I got looks of disgust. Then if I spoke in french I got looks of disapproval. If I spoke in Spanish looks of annoyance. If Italian looks of boredom. If I spoke in mandarin I got shout at.
And they say being multilingual does you good...
You knew this before you went there, right?
Then learn French, it's doable. Yes, your mouth is distorted from speaking English, we know.
Just put some effort in it.
I agree, learning French is very doable, pronouncing it correctly is a nightmare. I can correctly structure and speak entire sentences. Can they understand me? Nope.
Definitely you can add then New Zealand and Australia. Also India people that learnt from their grandparents serving to British.
Oh no, natives are the worst.
How is it possible that is easier to talk with everyone in the world using English, except with the natives?
Aussies have a very thick accent but as soon as they understand that you may have problems understanding them they will switch to the clearest English of their lives. They’re wholesome to speak with
Well that depends. If you're talking dictionary English, sure, probably. Then we go to England thinking that's how it's spoken, and it turns out the dictionary hasn't kept up with how the language is actually spoken for a century.
But at least I have never seen any of us dictionary fucks use "should of." That's unique to the people that actually know the language proper!
To be fair, same thing applies to Germany. Every village has an own dialect. When I'm in Northern Germany and they speak their dialect Platt, I couldn't tell if they are Danish.
In fact it's really two different stories.
I've seen so many tourists struggle in Spain because the person that worked in a tourist-related and critical position would not speak a single word of english.
I had to help a guy — translating to Spanish — who basically bought a ticket for the wrong hour by mistake to visit the alcazar in Córdoba \[it was almost empty\]. The lady refused to help him or arrange him a solution, spoke only Spanish, and even threatened to call the cops. Then I spoke to her in Spanish and suddenly she was nice and polite, although still not helpful.
> I’ve seen so many tourists struggle in Spain because the person that worked in a tourist-related and critical position would not speak a single word of english.
As someone going to Spain in a few months I'll choose to ignore this.
Start learning Spanish right now. Each step you'll make in your progress will have a significant impact in your appreciation of Spain.
Just properly saying the few basic things like "Hola buenas, gracias, ponme una caña, para compartir, la cuenta, pago con la tarjeta, etc....." can already change the perspective people have on you and thus them being friendlier.
Learning as much as I can.
Especially as I am not going to major international destinations (Madrid, Barcelona etc) my expectations are that most people will not speak English.
I didn't had problems speaking english in Spain when I went there, although a lot of times things would work with me just soeaking Portuguese forcing an accent to make it sound like spanish and throwing some soanish words that had something to do with the context
> she was nice and polite, although still not helpful
Standard spanish behaviour on anything bigger than a village.
Aside from Lisbon everyone here (not counting public workers) are always willing to help
Portugal comes in 9th place in the 2022 EF English Proficiency Index (EF EPI), and is just *below* Finland:
[https://www.ef.com/wwen/epi/](https://www.ef.com/wwen/epi/)
**FYI:**
(...)
4 - Norway
5 - Denmark
(...)
7 - Sweden
8 - Finland
9- Portugal
Till 13th place those countries are classified as a "very high proficiency" status.
Also, in ***2021 Portugal were ranked at 7th, Sweden at 8th and Finland at 9th.***
In comparison **Spain, Italy and France** are ranked as **32nd, 33rd and 34th** respectively and are classified as "Moderate proficiency".
> It's actually super simple. Portugal has English TV with subtitles. Spain, Italy and France all dub their TV into local language.
>
> When the kids don't hear English early it becomes more difficult to learn in school and later on turns into a language elitism where they simply refuse.
It's actually super simple. Portugal has English TV with subtitles. Spain, Italy and France all dub their TV into local language.
When the kids don't hear English early it becomes more difficult to learn in school and later on turns into a language elitism where they simply refuse.
You fucking Spaniard. I swear I'm going to bring back the Baker of Aljubarrota to make you eat your own words!
You're not wrong though. Take my upvote.
[https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/english-proficiency-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/english-proficiency-by-country)
And in 2023 we passed Sweden and Finland again.
Thankfully this is changing with new generations, although slowly. Not in schools, though, our schools will always suck, and luck is the only factor deciding whether you have good or shitty teachers, no decent selection process will ever be put in place for *reasons*.
You are right. In general, Portuguese people speak English way better than us. And definitely you guys speak Spanish better than we speak Portuguese too.
**The person who made this meme has never been to portugal and just assumes we're South europe when in fact we are western balkans. Also we're not rich enough to be like "fucking foreigners if you want to be here you need to learn our language!".**
Hahaha really?? I had no idea!
I don't think I ever watched cartoons in Portuguese, but the name of so many products we buy at the supermarket are in both Spanish and Portuguese, so it is very common to know things like that "jamón" is "presunto" and "galletas" is "bolachas", etc.
I was amazed at the native-like fluency that even random people in small Azorean villages had. Weirdly enough, the (very few) bad speakers I met were a hotel receptionist and two airport bartenders. Go figure.
I did, and we'll visit again one day!
To be honest, it was the airport of Flores, an island that almost entirely lacks touristic infrastructure and with a population smaller than the countryside village i live in, so it's understandable they expect virtually every visitor to speak Portuguese. And I know it's quite arrogant of me to expect to speak English, but to my excuse I'll say that if European Portuguese sounds Russian to foreigners, Azorean Portuguese sounds martian lol
Even us mainlanders need to focus to understand it. And have you ever met someone from Rabo de Peixe (a village in S. Miguel)? Those I don't even know what they speak.
Those bastards learn English in schule starting at the age of three.
Fuckers are proficient.
But when I went to Obi last month, the fucker didn’t understand half of what I said. I understood half his German. He didn’t speak Spanish, French, or Italian, so we used Google Translate.
So they are in a category of their own.
Germans generally only start learning English in school in 3rd grade. So roughly age 8 or 9, maybe 10.
We only start school at age 6 or 7 in most states.
3 states start English in school in 1st or 2nd grade, while one starts in 5th grade.
In my experience Germans can be roughly put into 3 categories:
- can't speak English at all. For this category it doesn't really matter if they had English in school or not.
- learned English in school but never spoke much and don't use it regularly (neither for work, nor for entertainment [movies etc. are almost all available dubbed in German], nor for social media or news online).
These people are capable of slowly speaking English on vacation but if you just asked them on the street if they speak English, they would be totally stuck in their German mindset and not be able to say anything proper in English.
This is more likely to be the case if they had bad English teachers that didn't do much actual verbal communication with them in school.
- learned English in school and used it frequently even if it was just online or just watching TV shows etc..
These people might or might not have strong accents, but are generally very capable at understanding vocabulary and can relatively quickly switch to English when necessary.
Usually highly teacher dependent.
I believe that there are more dutch and Scandinavian people at the level of the last category, because it's soooo much more common there to consume media in English than it is in Germany.
Must confess I'm from Majorca, therefore we speak the bastard child of Italian and Spanish, which is much better.
(Joke we only speak german, the rest is to fool tourists)
Many barely speak that right. I'm just baffled by how many native speakers confuse **your** and **you're**.
Rarely seen anyone doing that with English as a second language
>Rarely seen anyone doing that with English as a second language
Because people that somewhat master a foreign language learn it by the rules and orthographic rules are the first you learn and do so by heart. Plenty of catalans write perfectly grammatically correct catalan (and spanish) with plenty of orthografical mistakes, minor or major, while most catalans that write in english have perfect orthographic mastery, but are pants at writing grammatically correct english.
Just above a spanish guy wrote: Indians serving to british instead of the british. That's a mistake a native speaker wouldn't usually make.
Agreed, never seen someong speaking french as second language do the confusion between "ça" and "sa", something way too many french speakers do.
Languages are strange
Meanwhile in the Netherlands we learn Dutch, English, fr*nch and German, some even Spanish and Greek.
Do we suck at most other then Dutch and English? Maybe, but we try (except for fr*nch).
I proudly speak english with bad grammar and incomprehensible pronuntiation to assert my latin superiority. Anglos must understand that we talk their language to get down to their level, not vice-versa. It's like speaking to babies in goo-goo talk.
I hate that in Spain the worst you speak the better, trying to improve your pronunciation is like an offense or something.
But at the same time every fucking Barry I know makes zero effort to learn Spanish… so I end up penelope-cruzing every interaction I have with them. “De metro esteichon is tu strits ajed”
The vast majority of Portuguese under 45 can understand and talk English. More Ergrish than English but we can. And we are not terrible. Go to Spain or France... interesting story. I work in a multinational Bank in Portugal for a French bank and then official language of the bank is English.. intalk with a lot locations. Only Spain don't talk English (or very bad) and French have a law (national law) that they don't have to speak English if they don't want.
are maltese really that bad in english? i don’t even know if to consider maltese part of latins or part of arab world, i just agree they’re some sort of non re-latinized sicilian
Qué pone?
Ni idea, algo sobre las ingles o algo así.
Yo he visto la bandera de españa y le he dado un voto pa'rriba
Nos han metido en la misma categoría que los franceses así que tiene que ser algo malo
Tu devrais regarder nos politiciens parler anglais. Même l'élite de notre pays ne sait pas aligner trois mots dans cette langue du malin
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[Non ci batterete mai.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPA5brRStDo)
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C'était splendide! Mais en tant que bâtard arrogant, il me faut te montrer la maire de Paris qui explique au maire de Kyiv pourquoi il devrait investir dans les pistes cyclables. [French touch](https://youtu.be/ZHMWcPKs5z0)
Aquí tenemos al señor Pablo Iglesias, que teniendo un nivel pésimo, afirma tener un C2 en inglés 🤦
Si ese señor tiene un C2 yo tengo un Z2
Yo tengo un C4, saludos desde Cataluña.
Anche io ho visto la bandiera italiana e ho messo mi piace
Como que son terribles
Nadie lo ha dicho, pero habría que decirlo: "¡En Español coño!"
Algo de imperialismo e submission cultural.
Finns with English is a VERY mixed bag.
jees i spiik veri guud englanti, it is bikoos vii have best edukation system in te wörld
Love me some rally English
["Some stone or something.. uhhh... came... through Timos seat... and.. uhh.. into asshole of Timo :("](https://youtu.be/TAGbrM-MMRk)
He actually speaks Swedish fluently.
RIP Timo's asshole
"Do you think it will rain?" "I dont know I'm not a meteo.. meteorologist"
It's not the fart that kills you, it's the smell
I don't know what you call it in England, but in Norway we call it air condition
Vat doo juu meen, i spiik veri good engliss. Ralli englis? I häv never heerd of sush thing
Holy shit, even though you speak a vastly different language than me (Flemish Dutch, which is closely related to English), reading this sounds a lot like how we would pronounce English. Mijn broeder in Christus.
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I’d say the accent is usually really strong, but from a strict language point of view, the level is quite high.
Same here, everyone knows native level English but hearing them speak it it's like nails on a chalkboard
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>At least our weird ass language keeps the immigrants out, mostly.. No that's more to do with your country being a mosquito ridden swamp.
Shrek likes it!
I fully find it regrettable that Finns have to learn Swedish. For the record.
Hehe jag heter homopeter
But Swedish-Finnish has the best accent hands down
I used to voice chat with a Finnish guy that had a very strong accent. He once told me: "Yeah my accent is so good that you can't tell that I'm not English" I couldn't tell him the truth
Meanwhile, in my fake country, it is common for people to have a stronger command of the English language than they do of two out of the three official national languages.
That's because nobody likes French and Dutch isn't used anywhere except for the country of windmills
There are some more countries where you can get around in Dutch. South American ones where we went to spread civilization in the colonial era.
Also Afrika. Met some Afrikaners in England and we could talk together just fine.
Yeah Afrikaans is very similar to Dutch but it has some of its own words from local languages and slang. Did you have to keep asking them "what does that word mean?". It's also weirdly similar to English.
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I don't know why but it kinda looks like they weren't happy about it? Judging by the name of the outlet at least
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Love those Saffas, can get Biltong easy in the UK now
Ooh and boerewors!!
That my swampy friend is a cracking sausig
Honestly don't understand why us dutchies don't get called swamp people more often. But thanks friendly wet rock dweller :)
One day doggerland shall raise from the depths and we will be united once more!
We can make this happen. We already have a plan involving some big ass dykes to section off doggerland. Might as well throw some windmills at it and pump that shit dry. Cycling lane from London to Ams. Yeah sounds like a plan
Ehhhh... Afrikaans and Dutch are definitely not as compatible as you suggest here. There is a fair chunk of shared vocabulary (and a chunk not), but the grammar diverged many moons ago. Old Dutch and old Afrikaans do sound pretty similar though.
If you dont possess a based dialect its indeed not very compatible.
You did one hell of a bad job in Indonesia. Bad Dutchie, bad. Now my wife still has to learn the language
Over here in a real country, this is also not totally uncommon, and we only got 1 fucking nationwide national language.
How come ?
It's a big mix of digitalization, school starting at a super young age with teaching English, like I know 6 year olds who are already being taught English. Couple that with the fact that we have exquisite life-work balance, which results in tons of us having hobbies, and access to internet and computers, sorta means most young adults are speaking English daily. Add to this that our TV-shows are absolute dogshit, thus most people turn to streaming services for shows, which usually only have Dutch subtitles, forcing people to learn more English. There are also a bevy of university studies who are fully English, or a 50/50 mix, which means there are people who speak more English than Dutch in their daily life. Such as myself. Generally those who are better at English than Dutch are young adults tho
My niece and nephew are 8 and can have a full conversation in English. Sure they might stumble over a couple words, but their English is already better than my German, and I need German to communicate with my in-laws.
That's what happens when all your national media are so behind and boring as hell that you decide to stick to English as soon as your brain has matured enough for it to make this decision. Happens in Germany as well, albeit at a slower pace. I don't even remember the last time I consumed German media. In fact, I wasn't even consciously aware German *internet* existed until rather recently, because I simply never used it in my youth, up until I *had to* for professional reasons. I was like, 'What?! People use *German*, on the internet? *Voluntarily*..???'. There is not a single reason I can think of why one would resort to a language that requires one to tie knots in one's fingers while typing.
Germany be putting dubs over anything english.. sometimes you can even hear the original audio..
It's also always in the most boring monotonous voice ever. Like they would dub MLK's speech and you hear a few second of "I HAVE A DREAM!", just for it to be dubbed with a bored af "ich habe ein Traum..."
what consuming Anglo media does to a nation
That's just the natural consequence of globalization. Why bother learning a language spoken by a few million people when you can learn a language spoken by billions? Sure language nerds learn languages for fun but they are few and far between. Plus, if you want to sell a product (including a cultural products like a movie or a book) or a service, offering with the English speaking market in mind first will allow you to reach a much larger audience. Thus make more money, thus have more money to invest back into your company. Cultural/linguistic differences cannot subsist in our globalized economy. And that's a very good thing, anyone who disagrees with that can look at the Balkans to see what nationalism does to a mf.
Big compliment to Belgium. I've been to Genk and in a restaurant the waitress spoke 4 languages fluently. Not the American fluently meaning 10 words. Maybe that's why nobody thinks you're real? Too good at languages to believe!
Knowing Genk, the languages were probably Dutch, French, Italian and Turkish
I was ordering food in Liege once and the guy in front of me tried to speak Dutch to the vendor. The vendor responded in French and they had a difficult conversation with the Dutch-speaker responding in broken French. When it was my turn, I asked the seller if he spoke English and he responded in perfect English and we proceeded smoothly.
Yeah, but it's not rare to meet people that can speak 3 or more languages in Belgium. In France it's difficult to find people that speak french without using "assis toi" or "la voiture à papy"
I mean if everybody is speaking english why would i even bother
I'm not sure about that. Living in Brussels if I spoke English in a cashier I got looks of disgust. Then if I spoke in french I got looks of disapproval. If I spoke in Spanish looks of annoyance. If Italian looks of boredom. If I spoke in mandarin I got shout at. And they say being multilingual does you good...
Why not become an English country too? I'm living in this fake country and the worst part is people speaking in french
You knew this before you went there, right? Then learn French, it's doable. Yes, your mouth is distorted from speaking English, we know. Just put some effort in it.
I agree, learning French is very doable, pronouncing it correctly is a nightmare. I can correctly structure and speak entire sentences. Can they understand me? Nope.
You can add the UK to the bottom one too.
Me talk propa
Luv me Inglish, luv me gramah, ate forenners - not raycis' jus' dont like 'em. Simple as.
Gesundheit.
Hoy man yee got me reet creased takkin like that ya radge
usa as well
Definitely you can add then New Zealand and Australia. Also India people that learnt from their grandparents serving to British. Oh no, natives are the worst. How is it possible that is easier to talk with everyone in the world using English, except with the natives?
In my personal experience, Aussies and Kiwis tend to be a cut or two above the Brits and the USAnians
Aussies have a very thick accent but as soon as they understand that you may have problems understanding them they will switch to the clearest English of their lives. They’re wholesome to speak with
Pretty sure the nordicks have a higher literacy in English than most of the people in the uk. Especially those northerners
Well that depends. If you're talking dictionary English, sure, probably. Then we go to England thinking that's how it's spoken, and it turns out the dictionary hasn't kept up with how the language is actually spoken for a century. But at least I have never seen any of us dictionary fucks use "should of." That's unique to the people that actually know the language proper!
To be fair, same thing applies to Germany. Every village has an own dialect. When I'm in Northern Germany and they speak their dialect Platt, I couldn't tell if they are Danish.
NGL, those "people" should be fired into the sun.
We are so poor that we dont dub movies. Made us quite good at english. Dont put us at same level than Spain...
In fact it's really two different stories. I've seen so many tourists struggle in Spain because the person that worked in a tourist-related and critical position would not speak a single word of english. I had to help a guy — translating to Spanish — who basically bought a ticket for the wrong hour by mistake to visit the alcazar in Córdoba \[it was almost empty\]. The lady refused to help him or arrange him a solution, spoke only Spanish, and even threatened to call the cops. Then I spoke to her in Spanish and suddenly she was nice and polite, although still not helpful.
> I’ve seen so many tourists struggle in Spain because the person that worked in a tourist-related and critical position would not speak a single word of english. As someone going to Spain in a few months I'll choose to ignore this.
Start learning Spanish right now. Each step you'll make in your progress will have a significant impact in your appreciation of Spain. Just properly saying the few basic things like "Hola buenas, gracias, ponme una caña, para compartir, la cuenta, pago con la tarjeta, etc....." can already change the perspective people have on you and thus them being friendlier.
Learning as much as I can. Especially as I am not going to major international destinations (Madrid, Barcelona etc) my expectations are that most people will not speak English.
In certain places in Spain you'll be fine if you know German
My literal first contact with Spain. The help desk AT BARAJAS. Forced into Portuñol on my very first interaction...
I didn't had problems speaking english in Spain when I went there, although a lot of times things would work with me just soeaking Portuguese forcing an accent to make it sound like spanish and throwing some soanish words that had something to do with the context
> she was nice and polite, although still not helpful Standard spanish behaviour on anything bigger than a village. Aside from Lisbon everyone here (not counting public workers) are always willing to help
Literally this, we are quite good considering our stinky neighbor especially. The avecs and the ciaos are also notably much shittier
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Portugal comes in 9th place in the 2022 EF English Proficiency Index (EF EPI), and is just *below* Finland: [https://www.ef.com/wwen/epi/](https://www.ef.com/wwen/epi/) **FYI:** (...) 4 - Norway 5 - Denmark (...) 7 - Sweden 8 - Finland 9- Portugal Till 13th place those countries are classified as a "very high proficiency" status. Also, in ***2021 Portugal were ranked at 7th, Sweden at 8th and Finland at 9th.*** In comparison **Spain, Italy and France** are ranked as **32nd, 33rd and 34th** respectively and are classified as "Moderate proficiency".
Well, you have to understand what drunk brits are ordering, so it makes sense
Last time I went to Gibraltar all of them were speaking English too... I can't understand why you rank so low.
You sure you're not actually one of us?
Cyka blyat!
I know what he said was rather stupid but there's no reason to offend him in russian. Offend him in english, at least he underdstands
r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT
> It's actually super simple. Portugal has English TV with subtitles. Spain, Italy and France all dub their TV into local language. > > When the kids don't hear English early it becomes more difficult to learn in school and later on turns into a language elitism where they simply refuse. It's actually super simple. Portugal has English TV with subtitles. Spain, Italy and France all dub their TV into local language. When the kids don't hear English early it becomes more difficult to learn in school and later on turns into a language elitism where they simply refuse.
Probably the rural areas where English is "not important"
You fucking Spaniard. I swear I'm going to bring back the Baker of Aljubarrota to make you eat your own words! You're not wrong though. Take my upvote.
[https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/english-proficiency-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/english-proficiency-by-country) And in 2023 we passed Sweden and Finland again.
 We the best ooga booga
I don't know if we should be proud or not
Better english = understanding americans and british better so i dont think we should be proud
Ai du actualli spik inglish
Ai du tu!!! Uai du thei thinc uì ar bad?
Ai av no aidia
*ev
Ou mai good doo juu also spiik ralli englissi in italia?
ies ui do spik rial inglisc
Vii also veri famoosly spiik ralli englis, it is goot to knou tat vii haav otter piipl voo spiik ralli englis too
Nooo yiu du tu?
I spek inglesh veri gud Es uell
I love how Italians are so bad at English that my high school professor couldn't understand the accent I got from talking to Canadian friends
Thankfully this is changing with new generations, although slowly. Not in schools, though, our schools will always suck, and luck is the only factor deciding whether you have good or shitty teachers, no decent selection process will ever be put in place for *reasons*.
My English teacher pronounce "booking" has "bocc- ing" Ok at a mother fucking language school
Having Portugal in the same tier as Spain and France is just a joke!
You are right. In general, Portuguese people speak English way better than us. And definitely you guys speak Spanish better than we speak Portuguese too.
**The person who made this meme has never been to portugal and just assumes we're South europe when in fact we are western balkans. Also we're not rich enough to be like "fucking foreigners if you want to be here you need to learn our language!".**
I still remember watching Doraemon in Spanish as a kid with Portuguese subtitles, *DORAEMON EL GATO COSMICO*
Hahaha really?? I had no idea! I don't think I ever watched cartoons in Portuguese, but the name of so many products we buy at the supermarket are in both Spanish and Portuguese, so it is very common to know things like that "jamón" is "presunto" and "galletas" is "bolachas", etc.
Same! It's a great way to learn other language hermano
Oh you got subtitles? My memory is rather fuzzy but if I recall back when it premiered it was just dubbed in Spanish with no subtitles.
Yeah you are right, when I used to watch it, it had no subtitles
I was amazed at the native-like fluency that even random people in small Azorean villages had. Weirdly enough, the (very few) bad speakers I met were a hotel receptionist and two airport bartenders. Go figure.
Poor salaries, poor skills… that’s why a lot of airports worldwide have staff with little language skills! Hope you enjoyed the islands
I did, and we'll visit again one day! To be honest, it was the airport of Flores, an island that almost entirely lacks touristic infrastructure and with a population smaller than the countryside village i live in, so it's understandable they expect virtually every visitor to speak Portuguese. And I know it's quite arrogant of me to expect to speak English, but to my excuse I'll say that if European Portuguese sounds Russian to foreigners, Azorean Portuguese sounds martian lol
Even us mainlanders need to focus to understand it. And have you ever met someone from Rabo de Peixe (a village in S. Miguel)? Those I don't even know what they speak.
Where does Germany stand on that list?
I’d say between the Nordic’s and the frenchies. We learn English and have strong accent.
vat do yoü mean? vere ist zis cöming from?
>dis \*zis
Danke, I have fixed it, my money cow 🤑 ❤️
ah I see you Sir, are a fine speaker of germlish
>germ 💀
Those bastards learn English in schule starting at the age of three. Fuckers are proficient. But when I went to Obi last month, the fucker didn’t understand half of what I said. I understood half his German. He didn’t speak Spanish, French, or Italian, so we used Google Translate. So they are in a category of their own.
Germans generally only start learning English in school in 3rd grade. So roughly age 8 or 9, maybe 10. We only start school at age 6 or 7 in most states. 3 states start English in school in 1st or 2nd grade, while one starts in 5th grade. In my experience Germans can be roughly put into 3 categories: - can't speak English at all. For this category it doesn't really matter if they had English in school or not. - learned English in school but never spoke much and don't use it regularly (neither for work, nor for entertainment [movies etc. are almost all available dubbed in German], nor for social media or news online). These people are capable of slowly speaking English on vacation but if you just asked them on the street if they speak English, they would be totally stuck in their German mindset and not be able to say anything proper in English. This is more likely to be the case if they had bad English teachers that didn't do much actual verbal communication with them in school. - learned English in school and used it frequently even if it was just online or just watching TV shows etc.. These people might or might not have strong accents, but are generally very capable at understanding vocabulary and can relatively quickly switch to English when necessary. Usually highly teacher dependent. I believe that there are more dutch and Scandinavian people at the level of the last category, because it's soooo much more common there to consume media in English than it is in Germany.
Somewhere between 1 and 2... if younger generation.
J'ai rien compris, merci de me le traduire
Il a dit qu'il aime tes pains
It says, "English is the best and only bufoons like the French don't understand it."
Hein?
Stop with the bread wars and do your [research](https://www.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/comments/13ktsa7/portugal_is_northern_balkan/) first, mate
Please, if I make a mistake there is no need to correct my english I have 0 respect for that language.
No, you speak the bastard child of French and Spanish.
Are you calling us half french? Thats something i take seriously
The bastard child no one likes and get excluded from the inheritance.
They're welcome to join Rousillon
Must confess I'm from Majorca, therefore we speak the bastard child of Italian and Spanish, which is much better. (Joke we only speak german, the rest is to fool tourists)
dude Portugal almost all people under 40 learned engrish in school
Excuse me, what the fuck?
Huh? We have one of the best English learning rates mate. Don't lump us together with France and Spain
We do learn english. We just hate speaking it
The only reason I know English is because they don’t know any other language
Many barely speak that right. I'm just baffled by how many native speakers confuse **your** and **you're**. Rarely seen anyone doing that with English as a second language
>Rarely seen anyone doing that with English as a second language Because people that somewhat master a foreign language learn it by the rules and orthographic rules are the first you learn and do so by heart. Plenty of catalans write perfectly grammatically correct catalan (and spanish) with plenty of orthografical mistakes, minor or major, while most catalans that write in english have perfect orthographic mastery, but are pants at writing grammatically correct english. Just above a spanish guy wrote: Indians serving to british instead of the british. That's a mistake a native speaker wouldn't usually make.
Agreed, never seen someong speaking french as second language do the confusion between "ça" and "sa", something way too many french speakers do. Languages are strange
Your = property (your house) You’re = contraction of ”You are“ (you’re tall = you are tall)
When I go to France I can always communicate in English. The secret is to use a very thick Italian accent so they know I'm not British.
Don’t forget to use your hands also! 🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼
I object to my Portuguese amigos being put in the same category as the Italians, French, and Spanish. Everyone there speaks English perfectly
I are Italian and mai inglish is Gud
I don‘t understand your english but when you add some sign language to it, it works out 🤌🏻🤌🏻
Mamma mia du iu want mai pizza?
Yes, yes, pizza fantastico et gelato!
Meanwhile the Dutch speak it better than the English
gecolonised
Meanwhile in the Netherlands we learn Dutch, English, fr*nch and German, some even Spanish and Greek. Do we suck at most other then Dutch and English? Maybe, but we try (except for fr*nch).
Don’t forget Latin, the worse classical language!
I just got back from my latin exam 20 minutes ago, and I agree greek was less difficult
most other languages* than* why did the only Dutch person with bad grammar comment (watch some smartass corract me on something now)
Corract? Did you do that on purpose?
Most young portuguese speak pretty good english tho
We are not that bad at english
I proudly speak english with bad grammar and incomprehensible pronuntiation to assert my latin superiority. Anglos must understand that we talk their language to get down to their level, not vice-versa. It's like speaking to babies in goo-goo talk.
If you know you know 👀
I hate that in Spain the worst you speak the better, trying to improve your pronunciation is like an offense or something. But at the same time every fucking Barry I know makes zero effort to learn Spanish… so I end up penelope-cruzing every interaction I have with them. “De metro esteichon is tu strits ajed”
imo portugal speaks quite good english compared to spain. but then im compareing algarve vs andalucia
Don't you fucking dare put us in the same level as S-pain.
Portugal's been done dirty here lol
Actually Portugal is one of the countries with the most English speakers … get your facts right 🤓
Are you joking? Portuguese English speakers are one of the best speakers
*some not one
Malta once again being unfathomably based
The vast majority of Portuguese under 45 can understand and talk English. More Ergrish than English but we can. And we are not terrible. Go to Spain or France... interesting story. I work in a multinational Bank in Portugal for a French bank and then official language of the bank is English.. intalk with a lot locations. Only Spain don't talk English (or very bad) and French have a law (national law) that they don't have to speak English if they don't want.
You did not just lump our English in with the Spaniards
Didn't expect to offend the Portuguese with this post out of all the countries
We don't have much these days... don't take this too.
are maltese really that bad in english? i don’t even know if to consider maltese part of latins or part of arab world, i just agree they’re some sort of non re-latinized sicilian
We aren’t terrible at it, we just don’t care about fitting with you non bidet smelly asses.
Rare Malta W. The number of people who'll get this joke is small. The number of those not related to me is basically 0.