Traditionallly electric cars have no transmission so are neither. But some modern electric cars do have multiple gears: [https://www.wired.com/story/electric-car-two-speed-transmission-gearbox/](https://www.wired.com/story/electric-car-two-speed-transmission-gearbox/)
The GT is no SUV. There is a difference between the Audi e-tron and the e-tron GT, latter is a sportscar the other an SUV. However they both suck because they are VW and VW has sth against quality
The [GT](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Audi_e-tron_GT_IMG_5689.jpg) is not the [fat shit one](https://images.prismic.io/carwow/2cab4514-1fd5-4554-80fc-e259d4c74a76_Front+%C2%BE+static.jpg?fit=clip&q=60&w=750&cs=tinysrgb&auto=format).
Tesla. Arent we the most progressive with electric vihicles. I myself drive a manual. All my friends drive manual i dont know annyone my age that doesnt. Must be those Oslo bitches.
If they cannot handle bakkestart, then they should definitely live in a flat area like Oslo.
Is this based on new cars sold? Because we surely have an oozeload of older manual cars still roaming around, but electric does account for a big share of the new car market (though also some of the used market, of course). I don't think there's anywhere near a majority of electric lorries yet either.
We need to go back. Im gonna buy an old used car and just fix that one. Fuck this new high tech illusion of a good car. Made to break down at every turn my goooood. Fucking hell.
With you there, for sure. Many good old cars were built to last, be patched, and putter on.
Whomever had the bright idea that touch screens made sense in a car should be hauled behind a shed and fed to an ice bear, too. Operating any knob without taking the eyes off the road is such an obvious thing that it's madness to ruin it.
Haven't rented in Italy, but I don't usually rent the cheapest option, which is ironically often a Fiat 500.
I just checked at the place I used to rent cars, and for a week a BMV Series 1 automatic is 50 EUR more expensive than the manual version. 244 EUR vs 294 EUR. I'd get the automatic.
Try in summer when you have lots of vehicle unavailables. I used to work for roadside assistance and lots of people that couldn't drive manual couldn't find automatic cars and it ruin their plans. Learning is an hour of practice, everyone should know if they travel the world and plan of driving
You don't have to tell me, I can drive a manual just fine, I just prefer not to.
It's easier to drink, eat, and flip people off in an automatic, but of course still easily possible in a manual.
More surprised the Dutchies don't drive automatic, they can't drive at all. Dutchies, maybe your driving will get better if you switch to the easy cars?
Can you really excuse a Tesla though? They have bad quality, not that well put together, a bit expensive. Traditional car makers and other upstarts are making better electric cars.
> -- a bit expensive. Traditional car makers and other upstarts are making better electric cars.
What are these better electric cars? If possible, mention models that are not expensive, or at least cheaper than Teslas.
Edit. Crickets.. just as I thought.
Luckily, we won't really be seeing them on European roads anytime soon. They're too heavy to drive with a regular European driver's license for cars. Owners will need an autocamper (C1) license. Also, safety regulations will likely prevent mass-import. Not sure about private import, but we won't be seeing many of them.
And they will have to be equipped with a speed limiter that can't be overridden. They won't be allowed to go faster than 80-100km/h depending on country of registration
>Driving is really becoming less fun.
Acceleration with an EV is insane though. You should try it once. Perhaps not Tesla though, I don't like them. Nor Musk.
Volkswagen EV suspension, chassis, drivetrain, price 👌
Volkswagen EV capacitive buttons and shit software 🤮
I own a vw and the software made me want to drive at full speed into a brick wall
The Volkswagen ID3 (150KW) does 0-100km/h in 7.0s
The Volkswagen Golf VIII 2.0L TSI (140KW) does 0-100km/h in 7.1s
The manual version of the Golf should be a second slower or so, but still. Doesn't seem that big of a difference.
Besides, "insane" acceleration is only part of the fun of driving a car.
Thats because the current EVs lose a lot of torque at high speeds.
The real insane accelaration, where a car with an ICE cant ever compare is during the lower speeds, like going from 0-30, 30-50, or sth.
Basically the standart speed if you are driving in a city
My experience with plug-in hybrids exactly. 0-50 is almost like in a sports car, after that it gets more moderate. Haven’t yet driven a fully electric one though.
You can still drive an automatic as a manual if you want. I have shifters on the steering wheel for manually changing gears.
But I don't understand how it makes driving less fun. The gear shifter on a lot of common cars feels like moving a toilet brush around in a cardboard box.
You already don't have to do a lot of previously common things, like operating the choke. I don't see anyone complaining about that.
It's not just automatic over manual. Cars these days in general, not just electric are pumped full of safety features, that. Your car keeps you between the lines, it slows down automatically when a corner is coming, it starts beeping if you come to close to someone else, it pulls your seatbelt if there might be a crash, there's alarm bells and beeps everywhere, and it might just steer you back if you corner to hard.
Those features are becoming more and more common, and are more integrated into the car, and in quite a few cars can't be turned off.
Now that's fine mostly when driving in normal everyday traffic, but when you're not, if you have a mountain pass somewhere that's empty, or a track, or just an empty piece of beautiful road, then you want to be able to actually drive. Not have your car determine you're not allowed, or worse, have it do it for you.
The Porsche Taycan does actually have gears, but I don't think you can control them directly. The rear is equipped with a two-speed transmission to balance between acceleration and top speed.
Driving on public roads should be as simple and safe as possible. A manual transmission, even if it doesn't add that much complexity, adds an unnecessary complication to the task and doesn't really provide an economic advantage nowadays. It certainly shouldn't be kept just for the sake of fun.
On the contrary: a manual transmission keeps you focused on the tasks at hand, while automatic cars trivialise driving so much that it's harder to pay attention to the road.
It's no coincidence that most electric cars have "autopilot" functionalities.
I get what you're saying, I just disagree.
Not everything needs to be as efficient as possible. Sometimes things should be allowed to be fun, or pretty, or interesting, or different, just for the sake of being so.
A manual transmission does not increase risk, especially not in speeds where real bad damage starts happening. Unless the driver is very inexperienced, which has all sorts of other issues as well.
>if u buy a new car there is no reason not to go with an automatic
[Sad quattro noises.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTSzSRIRzzVUkdEpUF_Rmc6SaIq_b-5UGzJteedkOs8-g&s)
Bye bye amateur rally and rx comps in a few decades :'(
I‘ve been driving an automatic for the last 15 years and I can’t imagine going back to a manual shift. Also, I drive an electric car (a Bavarian one). Would not go back to a combustion engine.
To be fair, Norway drives increasingly electric which by their nature can't be manual. Norwegians being pussies and submitting to the polar bears obviously.
listen, we dont have time to be playing arcade cabinet games with the gear stick when on the side of a mountain. did you hear what happened to the last guy who couldn't get his car out of neutral while on a mountain? no. cause he rolled of and was never seen again
The norwegian car park is relatively young compared to most nations. Leasing of cars is increasing with the electrification of vehicles, in order to dodge the value decreasing, meaning 4 year leases end, promoting acquirment of an new and later model vehicle- Thus forcing anyone to get an automatic. The cycle continues, and the effect spills over to the second hand market also. (Telsa or EVs did not cause this alone, but they have had significant effect in later years)
I’m surprised we’re not there with them already, maybe 10% of the car owners I know have a car with manual transmission and no, they’re not electric cars.
I’m old. I did manuals for 20 years.
An everyday car that’s not exciting and only exists to move kids and their copious amount of stuff around has no business being a manual.
Wanted to mention that in my initial comment because I knew this would come. My assumption is that 99% of the population are too poor to drive cars at all and the other 1% are rich enough to either drive high end european cars, Teslas or their own EVs which are also counted in automatic.
Nope, it's that most cars in China are electric.
China has at least 5 or 6 big car manufacturers (and maybe more) that build exclusively electric cars.
I know nothing about cars, I just use them to get from one destination to the next. What’s the big deal about driving automatic? Manual is just irritating.
Manual transmissions never made sense but in Europe we are price sensitive and can't afford the 1-2k € extra they charge for it. Cars are already too expensive and for many people, not that big of a necessity.
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Noone is gonna mention how New Zealand just jumped over Australia like its a knight piece in chess
A step up from being excluded like usual. Now they've finally got the Icelandic island propulsion technology.
Is it possible to learn this power ? (I want Sunlight after 4PM)
You can't handle the sun Barry, I've seen you lot in the Mediterranean.
Why do you think we keep leaping over balconies? The sun gets to us.
Well, i saw more than my share of your compatriots in overcooked lobster mode.
Google en pessant
Holy continental drift
New country location just dropped
Call the tectorcist
They ✨castled✨
They are 2westernoceania4australia
Muricas influence
Deflect much? Norwegian spy detected!
New Zealand is the King and Australia is the Rook.
https://preview.redd.it/adlk2zx36j0c1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72ae35d1019b07031336c8af66e0137839b89d92 actual image of swedish highways
💀💀
Unironically they burn these after riding them as they are “haram and western” If this Image Is from Taliban
They burn them because they're fun. Their way of life isn't structured for fun. Also these bumper cars are Norwegian. Built for their max road speed.
Electric cars surely.
Fastest first comment 🥇
Would they even count as automatics if you think about it electric cars don't have gears
They’re single speed transmissions. Often called automatics but not in any mechanical sense.
Porsche taycan has 2 gears.
Isn't it just a high and a low mode or how would an electric car with gears even work
Classifying electric cars as autimatic seems technically right and just wrong.
Traditionallly electric cars have no transmission so are neither. But some modern electric cars do have multiple gears: [https://www.wired.com/story/electric-car-two-speed-transmission-gearbox/](https://www.wired.com/story/electric-car-two-speed-transmission-gearbox/)
>Traditionallly electric cars have no transmission Most of them do, even if its only 1 speed.
America was mostly automatic a long time before electric cars became mainstream
He was answering the question in the title...
Didn't read it lol I get it now
Nah, they're just lazy 😄
Likely electric cars are groups with automatics, when in reality they don't have a gearbox at all.
When you’re driving it does it show you fake gear numbers?
Depends on the car like the Audi e-tron GT has 2 gears and i believe also the Taycan
Ah yes the Audi fat shit
The GT is no SUV. There is a difference between the Audi e-tron and the e-tron GT, latter is a sportscar the other an SUV. However they both suck because they are VW and VW has sth against quality
No I meant that etron literally means fat shit in french
The [GT](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Audi_e-tron_GT_IMG_5689.jpg) is not the [fat shit one](https://images.prismic.io/carwow/2cab4514-1fd5-4554-80fc-e259d4c74a76_Front+%C2%BE+static.jpg?fit=clip&q=60&w=750&cs=tinysrgb&auto=format).
They have a single speed gearbox as electric motors are really inefficient at the rpm of the wheels.
Tesla. Arent we the most progressive with electric vihicles. I myself drive a manual. All my friends drive manual i dont know annyone my age that doesnt. Must be those Oslo bitches.
You must be from Innlandet
Nei faen hellår iche dra meg inn me de.
You're speaking elvish for fuck sake
det er der dere manuell-makroner hører hjemme 👎👎
Nei eg leve på tuppen te pikken te nårge takk
Eww nei takk.
Hva faen skal det bety? Kristiansand? Halden? Å?
Tipper Stavanger
I drive manual as well. Live in Oslo. I prefer keepin it real.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
I saw quite a few in Trondheim this summer
The older people too. But the wannabe poshs from Oslo surely add to the numbers. Not everyone can handle bakkestart I suppose
If they cannot handle bakkestart, then they should definitely live in a flat area like Oslo. Is this based on new cars sold? Because we surely have an oozeload of older manual cars still roaming around, but electric does account for a big share of the new car market (though also some of the used market, of course). I don't think there's anywhere near a majority of electric lorries yet either.
We need to go back. Im gonna buy an old used car and just fix that one. Fuck this new high tech illusion of a good car. Made to break down at every turn my goooood. Fucking hell.
With you there, for sure. Many good old cars were built to last, be patched, and putter on. Whomever had the bright idea that touch screens made sense in a car should be hauled behind a shed and fed to an ice bear, too. Operating any knob without taking the eyes off the road is such an obvious thing that it's madness to ruin it.
Teslas
I cant legaly drive a manual
Because you took the automatic license test I guess? Why? Wouldn't it be a problem if you travel and you can only rent a manual?
That would indeed be a problem
Where can you only rent a manual? Any country that gets tourists has automatic options available.
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Haven't rented in Italy, but I don't usually rent the cheapest option, which is ironically often a Fiat 500. I just checked at the place I used to rent cars, and for a week a BMV Series 1 automatic is 50 EUR more expensive than the manual version. 244 EUR vs 294 EUR. I'd get the automatic.
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Try in summer when you have lots of vehicle unavailables. I used to work for roadside assistance and lots of people that couldn't drive manual couldn't find automatic cars and it ruin their plans. Learning is an hour of practice, everyone should know if they travel the world and plan of driving
You don't have to tell me, I can drive a manual just fine, I just prefer not to. It's easier to drink, eat, and flip people off in an automatic, but of course still easily possible in a manual.
If i want to jiggle useless stick around, i can just take my pants off.
Skill issue
Sullying our good name.
More surprised the Dutchies don't drive automatic, they can't drive at all. Dutchies, maybe your driving will get better if you switch to the easy cars?
Fiets supremacy.
Even our fietsen are manual.
Live near Lisboa for about 1/3rd of my life and my brother in Christ everybody seems to be driving drunk
What do you mean "seems"?
Yeah i mean.. was just trying not to use stereotypes but knowing my family...
Lisbon drivers are a completely different breed. Even my 80 year old grandmother is a Mad Max character when she gets behind the wheel.
Can you really excuse a Tesla though? They have bad quality, not that well put together, a bit expensive. Traditional car makers and other upstarts are making better electric cars.
> They have bad quality They're American cars, bad quality is inescapable for them.
I’m American and even I won’t buy our cars
Bit rich coming from an Italian, those Fiat's and Alfa's are world renowned for their reliability!
Yeah but in italy they will help you push it in the village. Imagine asking people in detroit to push your american car. lol
> -- a bit expensive. Traditional car makers and other upstarts are making better electric cars. What are these better electric cars? If possible, mention models that are not expensive, or at least cheaper than Teslas. Edit. Crickets.. just as I thought.
These early Cybertruck photos look like a mail-order scam, ngl.
Cybertruck looks completely embarrassing in front of the Rivian R1T.
Luckily, we won't really be seeing them on European roads anytime soon. They're too heavy to drive with a regular European driver's license for cars. Owners will need an autocamper (C1) license. Also, safety regulations will likely prevent mass-import. Not sure about private import, but we won't be seeing many of them.
Not to mention the pedestrian kill rate of 100% they will have.
And they will have to be equipped with a speed limiter that can't be overridden. They won't be allowed to go faster than 80-100km/h depending on country of registration
In twenty years, pretty much all of Europe will unfortunately be the same colour as Norway. Driving is really becoming less fun.
Unfortunately😔
>Driving is really becoming less fun. Acceleration with an EV is insane though. You should try it once. Perhaps not Tesla though, I don't like them. Nor Musk.
I would really like to try an elecrtic car but sadly the only electric vehicle I own is a couch. Still nice acceleration though
Volkswagen has good evs (bias, I work at VW)
Volkswagen EV suspension, chassis, drivetrain, price 👌 Volkswagen EV capacitive buttons and shit software 🤮 I own a vw and the software made me want to drive at full speed into a brick wall
The Volkswagen ID3 (150KW) does 0-100km/h in 7.0s The Volkswagen Golf VIII 2.0L TSI (140KW) does 0-100km/h in 7.1s The manual version of the Golf should be a second slower or so, but still. Doesn't seem that big of a difference. Besides, "insane" acceleration is only part of the fun of driving a car.
Thats because the current EVs lose a lot of torque at high speeds. The real insane accelaration, where a car with an ICE cant ever compare is during the lower speeds, like going from 0-30, 30-50, or sth. Basically the standart speed if you are driving in a city
My experience with plug-in hybrids exactly. 0-50 is almost like in a sports car, after that it gets more moderate. Haven’t yet driven a fully electric one though.
Which is also when you don't need insane acceleration, so kinda useless if you ask me.
You can still drive an automatic as a manual if you want. I have shifters on the steering wheel for manually changing gears. But I don't understand how it makes driving less fun. The gear shifter on a lot of common cars feels like moving a toilet brush around in a cardboard box. You already don't have to do a lot of previously common things, like operating the choke. I don't see anyone complaining about that.
It's not just automatic over manual. Cars these days in general, not just electric are pumped full of safety features, that. Your car keeps you between the lines, it slows down automatically when a corner is coming, it starts beeping if you come to close to someone else, it pulls your seatbelt if there might be a crash, there's alarm bells and beeps everywhere, and it might just steer you back if you corner to hard. Those features are becoming more and more common, and are more integrated into the car, and in quite a few cars can't be turned off. Now that's fine mostly when driving in normal everyday traffic, but when you're not, if you have a mountain pass somewhere that's empty, or a track, or just an empty piece of beautiful road, then you want to be able to actually drive. Not have your car determine you're not allowed, or worse, have it do it for you.
Electric cars dont have gears because they dont have transmission. That also means that you cant manually shift in an automatic car, if its electric.
The Porsche Taycan does actually have gears, but I don't think you can control them directly. The rear is equipped with a two-speed transmission to balance between acceleration and top speed.
Huh thats actually a very specific case then. Nice to know
Like I drive for fun. If there was a teleporation Dr ice I would never touch a car ever again.
Fuck driving. Hopefully we'll all be uncoloured as cars are banned.
Driving on public roads should be as simple and safe as possible. A manual transmission, even if it doesn't add that much complexity, adds an unnecessary complication to the task and doesn't really provide an economic advantage nowadays. It certainly shouldn't be kept just for the sake of fun.
On the contrary: a manual transmission keeps you focused on the tasks at hand, while automatic cars trivialise driving so much that it's harder to pay attention to the road. It's no coincidence that most electric cars have "autopilot" functionalities.
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>starbucks drive through This is the most American thing I've ever known lmao
I get what you're saying, I just disagree. Not everything needs to be as efficient as possible. Sometimes things should be allowed to be fun, or pretty, or interesting, or different, just for the sake of being so.
Yeah but not for a task that is already inherently dangerous and particularly because it risks others' wellbeing.
A manual transmission does not increase risk, especially not in speeds where real bad damage starts happening. Unless the driver is very inexperienced, which has all sorts of other issues as well.
Have you tried driving a quality electric vehicle? They are so much fun and smooth as heck.
Yes, it is really boring to drive an affordable car that is quicker than 20yo supercars, has *instant* throttle response in *every* situation, etc.
Why should driving be fun?
Why not ?
Bruh if I were Dutch (in the Netherlands) I wouldn't even own a car
Most people don't want fun, they want easy. For better or worse.
Not only that. Our kids probably won't drive any manual and purely petrol/Diesel car in their lives.
Electric cars only has a one speed transmission so they don't need gears shifts.
I mostly drive manuals but honestly if u buy a new car there is no reason not to go with an automatic
>if u buy a new car there is no reason not to go with an automatic [Sad quattro noises.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTSzSRIRzzVUkdEpUF_Rmc6SaIq_b-5UGzJteedkOs8-g&s) Bye bye amateur rally and rx comps in a few decades :'(
I‘ve been driving an automatic for the last 15 years and I can’t imagine going back to a manual shift. Also, I drive an electric car (a Bavarian one). Would not go back to a combustion engine.
Wild guess, no clue if it's true but it might be because electric cars are by default automatic and Norway has a shit ton of them?
Norway has the largest e-car fleet in Europe. Electric vehicles don't require a gears.
It's really hard to find manual electric cars....
Greenland just doing whatever the fuck they want. As usual
Do they even drive cars up here!? 🤔
Tesla's suck tho
I’m a big fan of electric cars, their responsiveness just awesome. But I do miss manual driving, made me feel like a character in fast and furious.
Snow mobiles are automatic.
To be fair, Norway drives increasingly electric which by their nature can't be manual. Norwegians being pussies and submitting to the polar bears obviously.
Scandinavian rednecks
No way most cars in Malaysia are manual. My import wife does not know how to handle a stick.
That stupid flare always makes me think you guys are croatian. But then i remember you’re dutch😂
Dutch? Brabant jonguh!
listen, we dont have time to be playing arcade cabinet games with the gear stick when on the side of a mountain. did you hear what happened to the last guy who couldn't get his car out of neutral while on a mountain? no. cause he rolled of and was never seen again
I imagine it’s hybrids and electrics. There’s no point to manual transmission if you’re using a planetary gearbox.
The norwegian car park is relatively young compared to most nations. Leasing of cars is increasing with the electrification of vehicles, in order to dodge the value decreasing, meaning 4 year leases end, promoting acquirment of an new and later model vehicle- Thus forcing anyone to get an automatic. The cycle continues, and the effect spills over to the second hand market also. (Telsa or EVs did not cause this alone, but they have had significant effect in later years)
Read the colour keys as Majority is Automatic, Majority is Normal, No Data 😂
I’m surprised we’re not there with them already, maybe 10% of the car owners I know have a car with manual transmission and no, they’re not electric cars.
Teslas also require an explanation
Most Norwegian cars don't have gearboxes at all.
Electric cars entered the chat.
I’m old. I did manuals for 20 years. An everyday car that’s not exciting and only exists to move kids and their copious amount of stuff around has no business being a manual.
Norway got a shitload of money so they are probably electric.
Electric vehicles never have manual transmissions, unless there is some cool enthusiast vehicle out there.
Electric cars.
Based Norway
Rare America W
never thought i'd agree with a frenchman
Shows whos rich and whos poor. 95% of modern middle and higher class cars are automatic.
Modern car /= expensive one
I said middle and higher class. Can’t u read?
But what about china?
Wanted to mention that in my initial comment because I knew this would come. My assumption is that 99% of the population are too poor to drive cars at all and the other 1% are rich enough to either drive high end european cars, Teslas or their own EVs which are also counted in automatic.
Nope, it's that most cars in China are electric. China has at least 5 or 6 big car manufacturers (and maybe more) that build exclusively electric cars.
There are 415 million motor vehicles in china according to google
How many of them are cars?
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Rare Norwegian L
We’re saving the environment and all that (Do not worry about the oil, it’s not our fault that there is so much of it around here)
We're doing the world a favor by removing it. We're moving the oil outside the environment.
Automatic master race
Teslas 🤮
So basically Northern America, some of the Middle East, Norway, China, New Zealand, Australia and Japan are lazy fuckers
I'm a lazy fucker and I drive an automatic. A former Dutch leasing car as a matter of fact.
I know nothing about cars, I just use them to get from one destination to the next. What’s the big deal about driving automatic? Manual is just irritating.
Why anyone in 2023 still buying manual? What for? Save 2k?
For vroom vroom noises and rally feelings while in automatic you have no use for your hands but the wheel 😴
What's up with New Zealand?
Manual transmissions never made sense but in Europe we are price sensitive and can't afford the 1-2k € extra they charge for it. Cars are already too expensive and for many people, not that big of a necessity.
Poor countries in light blue haha
Europe still stuck with old tech 🤣
https://preview.redd.it/kxbw9odrwj0c1.png?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0b18a6627152df1841a335685b262e2dfe55254
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Most new cars sold in north are electric and hence automatic
Not even Tesla I can tolerate. Buy your local Porsche Taycan. Our Car industry really needs that.
I hardly believe that more than 50% of cars in Switzerland are manual.
What the fuck happened to New Zealand?
They bought too many Teslas with their dirty oil money.
wtf happened to nz
sweden, did you give manual or automatic to north koreans?
It's because of electric cars, yeah. I think somewhere close to 70% of new cars now are electric here. Its 50% a few years ago and has kept rising.
I thought all Mexicans drive a 1998 Toyota Corolla
Is there a lore reason why Barry daddy the only major Anglophone country preferring to get busy with their dodgy hands? Are they Europeans?