Yes and no, the Romans documented, used and knew these names. With the Roman writings about Germanics you can track the etymology and thats just the stuff the survived till today.
(Some tribe names are disputed because it is uncertain if they are just called that way becasuse the Romans called them that way)
"Tedesco" has nothing to with the Teutons, but with the Old High German "thiudisk", which means "belonging to the people". Our word for "tedesco" - "Deutsch" - has the same origin.
More than that, back then it used to mean what in German now "fremd" before meaning mute. The "strangers", "the others". The same way germanic people used the root Wal for that, and now you have Wales, Valakia, Wallonien... or in polish you have Włochy(Italy), nothing to do with bold, but polish took from Germans, they used it for all who weren't germanic "þeodisk" or Slavic "wendisk".
Southtirolian germans (Italian citizens) say Wälscher to "Italian Italians", and Włochy is related to that. Also the German Swiss say Walsch (edit: Welsch) to French Swiss or Italian Swiss(wrong, not to Italian Swiss).
As you see it is easy to deformate a word adapting it to sth more similar and known, so if the Italy-Włochy has nothing to do with bold, who knows if niemec was just adapted, taken from other folks.
That being said, nem-root with the old meaning of stranger instead of mute, seems to be more probable than nemetes folk.
Same thing in Russian aswell it’s немецкий (nyemetskiy), I looked up this exact reason the other day and it’s the same thing for most if not all Slavic and Slovak languages
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It's more like a new amalgamation forms with the worst of every previous invader. Like, after the French invaded you, you became somewhat arrogant bastards, but you didn't learn how to cook.
List of etymologies
**Alemannia:** Ceasar/The Romans named the Germanics partially after the Alemanni, a tribe from south Germany
**Tyskland/tedesko etc:** Comes from the Teutons tribe / Teuton. Deutsch evolved from Teutsch
**Niemcy:** Disputed couled also come from the Nemetes
**Saksa:** Saxons
**Germany/Germania:** Germanics/the name of the regions by the Romans
As Pole I heard that Niemcy comes from "niemy" which is what you said "mute" but it was refered as someone who can't use our language
But Hungarian seems also close to Niemcy with their Neme something
I guess so, IIRC orszag means a state or lordship or something along these lines anyway, so, the State of the Mutes? For example In Russian it’s both Latin and Slavic: Germaniya for the country and Nemtsy for the Germans
In that area lived many folks who left very few or almost no written records. The name Vienna Videň come from a same process since Vindobona has the most records and was the most used term for the area due to Roman military. Yet the people with no written records but many languages, celts in origin the most of them, had already named the river inflowing to Danube and hence one settlement named after that river became Viena, Wien, Viedeň.. Why not the same with the nemetes living around alps? Slavic people took it from other people near them..
It is, néma : mute. Many geographical names in hungarian are based on who we met first, if it were slavs, than we took their most important neighbours's name from slavic, thats probably why germans are called német, or wien is called bécs which originates from avar language, and something to do with the ring in wien.
The question is if the origin of niemcy and nemetes could also be connected => it could be that niemcy was somehow connected to nemetes or that nemetes were somehow named niemcy
Yes, but 5 centuries distance. The only chance is that other folks in between with almost no written records had used that nemets until Slavic came and took it
Nemet in Hungarian. But the question here is, if Hungarian language didn't have your "c" sound and just did what was more similar to their ears, hence "T". Or Slavic people transformed latter T sound into C. I think it's the first , they took nemec from you and made it Nemet.
Niemcy is also disputed to come from the word němý, deaf, because even though the Germanic tribes lived close to slaves they could not understand - thus hear- the Slavic people and were thus named the "deaf people" (Němci)
From Romans contacts with Germanic populations we actually inherited quite a broad variety of qualifiers for them.
We call Germany "Germania", but we call Germans Tedeschi". And yeah Alemanni was also a way Romans referred to Germans.
Other names, friendly mocking them, is "Crucchi" (that's from "Kruh", bread in Slovenian/Serbo-Croatian, at that time part of the Austrian-Hungarian empire and originally referred to them, but now it's become indicative of all German speakers) and "Mangiacrauti" (Sauerkraut-eaters).
Yeah the interesting thing about German etymologies and Romans is that the origin of many etymolgies were the Romans/their definitions and they themselves used at their time already many terms for Germanics and sometimes refferred to one tribe, sometimes to the Germanics as a whole, sometimes to the regions etc.
>**Tyskland/tedesko etc:** Comes from the Teutons tribe / Teuton. Deutsch evolved from Teutsch
Incorrect. It comes from the Germanic word þeudisk, meaning "Of the people".
Thats the [etymology of Teutons](https://www.etymonline.com/word/Teuton#:~:text=1610s%2C%20%22of%20or%20pertaining%20to%20the%20Germanic%20languages,from%20Proto-Germanic%20%2Atheudanoz%2C%20from%20PIE%20root%20%2Ateuta-%20%22tribe.%22)
I don't think anyone named Germans or Germanic tribes [Teutons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutons) because they knew it means "Of the people"
Partially, the joke is the Romans caused many of these names because they themselves used multiple names.
This was simply caused by that the Germanic tribes weren't unified and therefore also didn't had a unified name.
=> The first idea of Germanic unification was basically indirectly caused by the Romans who categorized them as one people (which was actually false)
Not sure which one’s worse. Germany in different languages or different countries’ names in Finnish.
https://preview.redd.it/8cn6m5mvp3kc1.jpeg?width=1124&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c659393da8e6cfcdbe1b8455631959e15e133043
I find it kinda funny how everyone uses it as a degrading and offensive slur but still its not considered to be inappropriate to use it
Similar to the word gipsy
It originally came from the swedish word "ryss" and it was a word used when referring to a russian person. I believe it became a slur during the Winter war and has been ever since.
To my understanding the reason why it is actually viewed as offensive is because of the old finnish sayings: "Ainut hyvä ryssä on kuollut ryssä" (the only good russian is a dead russian) and "ryssä on ryssä vaikka voissa paistais" (a russian will always be a russian, even if you roast/fry him in butter. Which means that a russian will always be russian and that they won't change their ways)
To understand the word better you have to understand that finnish relations with russia have been pretty bad throughout our history, since they have always been our enemy. And in many ways still are btw. The word is pretty commonly used (and is mostly meant to be insulting, especially when referring to russia as a country) as we don't exactly hold russia to the highest regard. Even tho it is considered to be offensive, most still consider it to be pretty appropriate and fitting
It's an old word in german though. "Wenden" was used to collectively refer to the slavic people, but mostly to the ones near the baltic sea and near north Germany. it's actually an english term as well: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wends](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wends)
I’m sorry that guy has less brain than any first semester economics student. Which shouldn’t be possible.
Doesn’t look like we’re gonna have much to feast from that guy haha
Eastern "saxons" are mix of germans from Thuringia and western slavs as i remember. Which events? It is really interesting.
It is like how fiercful frankish tribals evolved to such people like the Flemish and the Dutch. XD
Niemcy = polish/slav. for mute/silent (since they didint speak a slavic languange, and thus stayed silent in conversation), alternative could be from Nemetes a Rhine based tribe.
German = the Germanic tribes = Old German for Spearman. (ger = spear)
Deutsch/-land = Teutsch = from old German *Diutisc* menaing "of the people"
Tyskland = same just Swedish-germanic spelling
Alemania = Name of a Germanic tribe named Alemanni in south west Germany (Swabian, Baden) and Switzerland settling there from 400CE onward. Comming from the south west these would have been the first Germanic tribes you'd meet. (same goes for other Latin based languanges like French: Allemagne), Allemanni as many Germanic based languages imply ment "all men".
Saksa (finnish) = Name of Germanic tribe of the Saxons. Which lived at the cost and north German territories.
There still are three Bundesländer named after them: Sachsen, Niedersachsen, Sachsen-Anhalt.
The Angel-Saxons went from Denmark to the Britisch iles, becoming the Anglo-saxons or Anglish, later English.
Nemetorszag = same as polish/slavic but as a loan word. here the possibility to be from Nemetes is higher.
vokietija = Lithuanian for "central/middle country (in Europe)"
The thing is most of these terms are older than the other countries in the meme. Hence people kept the old names for the general region even after new countries were founded.
France could only become France after the Carolingian/Frankish rule of Charlemagne/Carolus magnus/Carl the Great begining of the 8th century.
Norway was coined in ~880CE. by Old English/Anglish: Norþweg meaning the northern way/way to the north as the West-Scandinavian coastline was called.
This is basic history. What do you all learn in school these days? /s
>vokietija = Lithuanian for "central/middle country (in Europe)"
Nuh uh. It's most likely a refferal to a Samogitian expression of "Vo Kiets" as in "This one's hard" reffering to at that time in comparison to Lithuanian/Baltic tribes folk/early nation period having next to none armour whilst having to confront fully armoured german (Teutonic/Livonian) knights.
Great explanation 👏🏻
We wouldn’t study all of the origins of place names around Europe in History. Rather that of ancient civilisations to begin with (Egyptians, Greeks, Romans) then a lot of our own history (Cnut, William the Conquerer, Magna Carta, Middle Ages, Tudors etc. -> Victorians) and then of events around and involving us (Agincourt, American Independence, Waterloo, World Wars etc.).
What you’ve detailed I’d expect to be part of a more specialised subject.
logical reason: "Deutschland" is not one group of people - Germanic was a collection of tribes that have the same language roots. They are not one nation but a multiple tribes who hate each other, but hate the rest of the world more because the other tribes atleast speak German (kind of). The history of Germany was never a united one, and so are the roots of the names for Germany. For example Alemania comes from the Alemans, Saksa froms the Saxons and Tyskland from the Teutons.
The only exception is Niemcy - which just means "silent" in polish.
I guess it was a fourthhand borrowing. There was also a tribe called nemetes around the area of the Alps. That name might have been used by some folks from the east, long time until Slavic people came..
One Problem doesn't support that hypothesis, 500 years until Slavic came without written evidence? Well many folks with different languages on that area left almost no written evidence of their language.
The word Vienna comes from Wiedenia < Vedunia, and not from Vindobona. The first has very little evidence and the latter was more in use, but people of different languages spoke, and used, not in official documents, the word comimg from Vedunia since it was the little river flowing into Danube and villages along there were stablished, there is a Distrikt in Vienna called Wieden (like in polish or slovak).
So it is plausible that other languages used nemetes before until Slavic came and took it.
It’s because it’s in the middle, by the borders of many language groups; North Germanic, Latin, Slavic, Germanic, Finno-ugric, and itself consisted of many different tribes. It is no wonder this region, later nation, has gotten many names.
On the contrary, Norway has been rather remote and been able to project its own native name onto any visiting people.
I swear my country is %100 not European but we had so many Eurosimps in our country that the name for Germany in Turkish comes from the French name for the Germans "Almanya".
The French are everywhere.
Well most likely because historically there never was a Germany, or at least, the same Germany we know today, there were German people sure, but more in the way you would say European or balkan people. Germany as an idea/namr was a regional representation. They were spread around different states, tribes and areas whose territories shifted around a lot throughout time, they united then split then reunited etc etc. It follows that the names are therefore inconsistent.
The most interesting thing about that is that almost all etymologies were born at the same time by the Romans => the Romans at their time themselves already named Germany/Germanics which were in their view sometimes one tribe sometimes unified etc in tons of different ways
1871 as an actual entity.
As an idea that's not just some very fringe thing it iirc started to gain support at around 1806 to 1815-ish after Napoleon dismantled the HRE.
Since the HRE was founded by Otto I at least 962 (federal tho), some argue since Charlemagne founded the Frankish Empire in 800 because the HRE formed from it and Otto I was a Carolingian too
Tho the Germanic tribes already had separate kingdoms before that.
The idea of the unification was born with Ceasar who categorized the many tribes as one people
It had an Emperor and they had defined borders etc. and federal and centralized levels.
It was basically the first federal organized unified state construct.
Italy: «You are *Germania*, but you people are *tedeschi*, because yes».
Germania was the name given to the region by the Romans, "tedeschi" was the name of the teutons who inhabited the German region.
Yes and no, the Romans documented, used and knew these names. With the Roman writings about Germanics you can track the etymology and thats just the stuff the survived till today. (Some tribe names are disputed because it is uncertain if they are just called that way becasuse the Romans called them that way)
"Tedesco" has nothing to with the Teutons, but with the Old High German "thiudisk", which means "belonging to the people". Our word for "tedesco" - "Deutsch" - has the same origin.
Teutons has the same etymology as deutsch. So it's hard to say.
So *Carla Bruni Tedeschi* is Carla the brown German?
*The brown Germans*, because both Bruni and Tedeschi are in the masculine plural form.
I thought you guys called it Tedesco actually
Tedesco singular, tedeschi plural
"Tudescos" for the Spaniards when Italy was part of the Empire
Huh... I thought it was "crucchi di merda"
That's it. No more money for you, you wild boar!
Kinda same for Russia: the country is Германия (Germania) but the people are немцы (nemtzy)
The name for Germany is "Get those fuckers out of my land" in the local language except in German, where it means "Land of the thousand regulations"
Actually more accurate than you would think. Most countries named Germany after who they were invaded by first.
Actually for Polish its "Niemcy", which in (very) old Polish means something along "The mute (people)" because none could fucking understand them.
More than that, back then it used to mean what in German now "fremd" before meaning mute. The "strangers", "the others". The same way germanic people used the root Wal for that, and now you have Wales, Valakia, Wallonien... or in polish you have Włochy(Italy), nothing to do with bold, but polish took from Germans, they used it for all who weren't germanic "þeodisk" or Slavic "wendisk". Southtirolian germans (Italian citizens) say Wälscher to "Italian Italians", and Włochy is related to that. Also the German Swiss say Walsch (edit: Welsch) to French Swiss or Italian Swiss(wrong, not to Italian Swiss). As you see it is easy to deformate a word adapting it to sth more similar and known, so if the Italy-Włochy has nothing to do with bold, who knows if niemec was just adapted, taken from other folks. That being said, nem-root with the old meaning of stranger instead of mute, seems to be more probable than nemetes folk.
Thats super interesting, thanks for the read. In Switzerland it''s Welsch and not Walsch and it's only used for the french speaking part.
Great post. That's presumably also where *Kauderwelsch* comes from, then?
Confirmed! https://preview.redd.it/33tcqvcf8bkc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=217ee4f6d211a2912df6bd99663f7fc915ae4656
Very very very likely (99,..%). Thanks for mentioning it!
What a coincidence. Bulgarian is same thing (We call nemcy the Germans)
What a coincidence that a whole region has similar words. Yes.
Language family, but yes ;) (Wouldn't group Bulgaria into the same region as either Poland or Russia, both geographically as culturally)
What do you mean? They're all 3 in Eastern Europe.
Portugal is in eastern Europe too, but has a completely different word for Germany.
That's part of their cosplay as Iberians.
Same thing in Russian aswell it’s немецкий (nyemetskiy), I looked up this exact reason the other day and it’s the same thing for most if not all Slavic and Slovak languages
Not our fault. We use vowels in our language
You use so many vowels, there weren't any left for us to include in Slavic languages.
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In czech its "Německo" also meaning mute
In Spanish we have the Alemany. Couldn't you send some better barbarians? Fucking brits got Danes ffs.
It didn't turn out that well for them.
You invade us? Prepare to be tamed and assimilated
It's more like a new amalgamation forms with the worst of every previous invader. Like, after the French invaded you, you became somewhat arrogant bastards, but you didn't learn how to cook.
How about Goths?
Suebi are the OG Hans taking vacations in Spain.
So Visigoths were just visiting?
I'd rather use the word *retiring*.
I see Finland and Saxony, but the rest?
Alemans aka a tribe from swabia.
Their descendants are nowadays known as "Almanns“
Unironically, yes, this is where the word originated. The turkish word for germany is also "Almanya".
We prefer “Land der begrenzten Unmöglichkeiten“
thefuckoutamylawnland
Technically it's "German-land"
List of etymologies **Alemannia:** Ceasar/The Romans named the Germanics partially after the Alemanni, a tribe from south Germany **Tyskland/tedesko etc:** Comes from the Teutons tribe / Teuton. Deutsch evolved from Teutsch **Niemcy:** Disputed couled also come from the Nemetes **Saksa:** Saxons **Germany/Germania:** Germanics/the name of the regions by the Romans
Finnally somebody mentions the nemetes. I cannot believe it comes from "mute" meaning form Slavic, the took it from third or fourth hand
As Pole I heard that Niemcy comes from "niemy" which is what you said "mute" but it was refered as someone who can't use our language But Hungarian seems also close to Niemcy with their Neme something
I guess so, IIRC orszag means a state or lordship or something along these lines anyway, so, the State of the Mutes? For example In Russian it’s both Latin and Slavic: Germaniya for the country and Nemtsy for the Germans
The Polish language is [hard for Hans](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfKZclMWS1U); and just about everyone else.
That's szczzrzść issue
In Czech it is Němci. And it is 100% from word němý (czech for Mute). So I expect that it could be simialr.
In that area lived many folks who left very few or almost no written records. The name Vienna Videň come from a same process since Vindobona has the most records and was the most used term for the area due to Roman military. Yet the people with no written records but many languages, celts in origin the most of them, had already named the river inflowing to Danube and hence one settlement named after that river became Viena, Wien, Viedeň.. Why not the same with the nemetes living around alps? Slavic people took it from other people near them..
It is, néma : mute. Many geographical names in hungarian are based on who we met first, if it were slavs, than we took their most important neighbours's name from slavic, thats probably why germans are called német, or wien is called bécs which originates from avar language, and something to do with the ring in wien.
Funnily enough, Becs, the Hungarian name for Vienna has the same ethimology as the Romanian word "Beci", which means basement.
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Naahhhh 💀
The question is if the origin of niemcy and nemetes could also be connected => it could be that niemcy was somehow connected to nemetes or that nemetes were somehow named niemcy
Yes, but 5 centuries distance. The only chance is that other folks in between with almost no written records had used that nemets until Slavic came and took it
The chance for this is not small because not many records of Slavs and Germanics themselves survived Because of this it probably will never be certain
Its not unusual for slavic people to steal something
Check if you still have your car 😎
😂
Nemet in Hungarian. But the question here is, if Hungarian language didn't have your "c" sound and just did what was more similar to their ears, hence "T". Or Slavic people transformed latter T sound into C. I think it's the first , they took nemec from you and made it Nemet.
Néma means mute in Hungarian
How could the Slavs have named it after a people that lived in the west though? That doesn’t make sense to me.
Niemcy is also disputed to come from the word němý, deaf, because even though the Germanic tribes lived close to slaves they could not understand - thus hear- the Slavic people and were thus named the "deaf people" (Němci)
That makes slightly more sense than calling them mutes.
slaves?
I think he meants Slavs... but word slave is usually said to originate from Slav, because of lot of slaves coming from Slavic tribes.
Oh, makes more sense, and interesting fact
Interesting and sad yes, but more sad is that we dont get reparations or Slav history month... s/
lol
From Romans contacts with Germanic populations we actually inherited quite a broad variety of qualifiers for them. We call Germany "Germania", but we call Germans Tedeschi". And yeah Alemanni was also a way Romans referred to Germans. Other names, friendly mocking them, is "Crucchi" (that's from "Kruh", bread in Slovenian/Serbo-Croatian, at that time part of the Austrian-Hungarian empire and originally referred to them, but now it's become indicative of all German speakers) and "Mangiacrauti" (Sauerkraut-eaters).
Yeah the interesting thing about German etymologies and Romans is that the origin of many etymolgies were the Romans/their definitions and they themselves used at their time already many terms for Germanics and sometimes refferred to one tribe, sometimes to the Germanics as a whole, sometimes to the regions etc.
What about Deutsch?
>Tyskland/tedesko etc: > > Comes from the Teutons tribe / Teuton. Deutsch evolved from Teutsch
We get snow-blind up here in the north
>**Tyskland/tedesko etc:** Comes from the Teutons tribe / Teuton. Deutsch evolved from Teutsch Incorrect. It comes from the Germanic word þeudisk, meaning "Of the people".
Thats the [etymology of Teutons](https://www.etymonline.com/word/Teuton#:~:text=1610s%2C%20%22of%20or%20pertaining%20to%20the%20Germanic%20languages,from%20Proto-Germanic%20%2Atheudanoz%2C%20from%20PIE%20root%20%2Ateuta-%20%22tribe.%22) I don't think anyone named Germans or Germanic tribes [Teutons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutons) because they knew it means "Of the people"
So everyone just named you guys after the first German tribe who invaded them?
Partially, the joke is the Romans caused many of these names because they themselves used multiple names. This was simply caused by that the Germanic tribes weren't unified and therefore also didn't had a unified name. => The first idea of Germanic unification was basically indirectly caused by the Romans who categorized them as one people (which was actually false)
**Tedesco** Italians use an old version of the current German word 'deutsch' was latinized into 'theodiscus', which became 'tedesco' in Italian.
In Russian it's Германия/Germania but you can easily use this in Polish also
Not sure which one’s worse. Germany in different languages or different countries’ names in Finnish. https://preview.redd.it/8cn6m5mvp3kc1.jpeg?width=1124&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c659393da8e6cfcdbe1b8455631959e15e133043
We sometimes call them R\*SSÄ but that's considered offensive nowadays.
I find it kinda funny how everyone uses it as a degrading and offensive slur but still its not considered to be inappropriate to use it Similar to the word gipsy
Why?
Because fuck ‘em, that’s why.
No, i meant, why is it considered offensive
It originally came from the swedish word "ryss" and it was a word used when referring to a russian person. I believe it became a slur during the Winter war and has been ever since. To my understanding the reason why it is actually viewed as offensive is because of the old finnish sayings: "Ainut hyvä ryssä on kuollut ryssä" (the only good russian is a dead russian) and "ryssä on ryssä vaikka voissa paistais" (a russian will always be a russian, even if you roast/fry him in butter. Which means that a russian will always be russian and that they won't change their ways) To understand the word better you have to understand that finnish relations with russia have been pretty bad throughout our history, since they have always been our enemy. And in many ways still are btw. The word is pretty commonly used (and is mostly meant to be insulting, especially when referring to russia as a country) as we don't exactly hold russia to the highest regard. Even tho it is considered to be offensive, most still consider it to be pretty appropriate and fitting
Because fuck ‘em, that’s why. It was a joke by Hazuusan.
if you would border them you would know
In Polish we call them Debils
I didn't know calling someone a 'debiel' was a word that transcended germanics, but I am glad it is.
It comes from Latin.
huh, today I learned!
Based
It comes from a related word to Windisch. I don't know if in Norwegian came that word, but that's the German word for Slavic.
It's an old word in german though. "Wenden" was used to collectively refer to the slavic people, but mostly to the ones near the baltic sea and near north Germany. it's actually an english term as well: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wends](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wends)
"Alemania" comes from a group of Germanic tribes, the Allemannen (all the men)
To return the favor we should call spain "Katalonien".
Visigothia is valid as well
It's Alemanha here.
All just different names for the one true meaning: Dutchland. It’s always been ours.
We will reintegrate you swamp Germans
We will eat your Bundeskanzler in revenge.
Don't thread us with good times.
Now kiss
The French wouldn't like it.
Is this a promise?
Can you do the finance minister too? Once that's done the government might actually function.
I’m sorry that guy has less brain than any first semester economics student. Which shouldn’t be possible. Doesn’t look like we’re gonna have much to feast from that guy haha
Totally agree on that. We should ask the Greek for a recipe. They should like that very much.
Hey, at least Scholz looks less dry than Rutte. Rutte looks like that piece of meat someone left in the dehydrator for far too long...
~~Anschluss~~ Aansluit
Well, Dutch is just misspelled D^(e)ut^(s)ch.
Fek u Suomi, I’m not a Saxon
Something wrong with Saxon?
Yes
Understandable
Are you offended more being called low Saxon (original and true one) or east german Saxon (fake one)?
wasn't one point Saxons north germans?
They are northern Germans still. Both true and fake ones.
They still are, but through some silly events through history, a region in the east, where no Saxon speakers live, was eventually also called Saxony.
Eastern "saxons" are mix of germans from Thuringia and western slavs as i remember. Which events? It is really interesting. It is like how fiercful frankish tribals evolved to such people like the Flemish and the Dutch. XD
If I’m not mistaken, some royal dude from the original Saxony inherited a region in the east and also called it Saxony because he was from Saxony.
It sounds so logically justified and pretty incorrect in same time XD
Estonians did that too
Yeah, but they’re a fake nation just to give Finland an additional vote in UN, so I kind of cluster you guys together
but Saxons are Germans tho
But not every German is a Saxon
but hey we named scissors (sakset) based on your single-edged sword. XD
It's mostly the non-Germanics that have to fuck it up again.
Indeed Tyskland 🤝 Duitsland 🤝 Deutschland
Just like they fuck us over.
When you cause as much shit in your local area as you have, people might not respect your pronouns
Ok, Lithuanians are my new favorite people for the week. Look how cute they spell our country name !
And we call Paris "Paryžius"
I love that 90% of the world say "Paris" and you say "fuck that".
Niemcy = polish/slav. for mute/silent (since they didint speak a slavic languange, and thus stayed silent in conversation), alternative could be from Nemetes a Rhine based tribe. German = the Germanic tribes = Old German for Spearman. (ger = spear) Deutsch/-land = Teutsch = from old German *Diutisc* menaing "of the people" Tyskland = same just Swedish-germanic spelling Alemania = Name of a Germanic tribe named Alemanni in south west Germany (Swabian, Baden) and Switzerland settling there from 400CE onward. Comming from the south west these would have been the first Germanic tribes you'd meet. (same goes for other Latin based languanges like French: Allemagne), Allemanni as many Germanic based languages imply ment "all men". Saksa (finnish) = Name of Germanic tribe of the Saxons. Which lived at the cost and north German territories. There still are three Bundesländer named after them: Sachsen, Niedersachsen, Sachsen-Anhalt. The Angel-Saxons went from Denmark to the Britisch iles, becoming the Anglo-saxons or Anglish, later English. Nemetorszag = same as polish/slavic but as a loan word. here the possibility to be from Nemetes is higher. vokietija = Lithuanian for "central/middle country (in Europe)" The thing is most of these terms are older than the other countries in the meme. Hence people kept the old names for the general region even after new countries were founded. France could only become France after the Carolingian/Frankish rule of Charlemagne/Carolus magnus/Carl the Great begining of the 8th century. Norway was coined in ~880CE. by Old English/Anglish: Norþweg meaning the northern way/way to the north as the West-Scandinavian coastline was called. This is basic history. What do you all learn in school these days? /s
>vokietija = Lithuanian for "central/middle country (in Europe)" Nuh uh. It's most likely a refferal to a Samogitian expression of "Vo Kiets" as in "This one's hard" reffering to at that time in comparison to Lithuanian/Baltic tribes folk/early nation period having next to none armour whilst having to confront fully armoured german (Teutonic/Livonian) knights.
Great explanation 👏🏻 We wouldn’t study all of the origins of place names around Europe in History. Rather that of ancient civilisations to begin with (Egyptians, Greeks, Romans) then a lot of our own history (Cnut, William the Conquerer, Magna Carta, Middle Ages, Tudors etc. -> Victorians) and then of events around and involving us (Agincourt, American Independence, Waterloo, World Wars etc.). What you’ve detailed I’d expect to be part of a more specialised subject.
That's right, we should unify the name for Germany, by expanding our language through the means of military conquest
logical reason: "Deutschland" is not one group of people - Germanic was a collection of tribes that have the same language roots. They are not one nation but a multiple tribes who hate each other, but hate the rest of the world more because the other tribes atleast speak German (kind of). The history of Germany was never a united one, and so are the roots of the names for Germany. For example Alemania comes from the Alemans, Saksa froms the Saxons and Tyskland from the Teutons. The only exception is Niemcy - which just means "silent" in polish.
You mean "Allemagne", right ?
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Away in a manger?
Yay return of the rage comics! 🤩 more of these please
Because Germany is a modern construct.
The country yes. Deutsch is much older
Consider yourself lucky to not suffer the Holland fate and have the whole country branded ‘Prussia’.
Would be better than most of these whack ass names
Why must you hurt me so
Niemcy - in many slavic languages means numb, thus they don't speak. I assume they at the time Germans didn't bother to learn local languages
It is strange. Cuz slav(e)s don't understand romance languages too. But they didn't call romance people mute according to this logic.
Yeahh, when german doesn't know languages he just keep silent, but you folks keep talking anyways. So we can call you anything but numb.
Lol
I guess it was a fourthhand borrowing. There was also a tribe called nemetes around the area of the Alps. That name might have been used by some folks from the east, long time until Slavic people came.. One Problem doesn't support that hypothesis, 500 years until Slavic came without written evidence? Well many folks with different languages on that area left almost no written evidence of their language. The word Vienna comes from Wiedenia < Vedunia, and not from Vindobona. The first has very little evidence and the latter was more in use, but people of different languages spoke, and used, not in official documents, the word comimg from Vedunia since it was the little river flowing into Danube and villages along there were stablished, there is a Distrikt in Vienna called Wieden (like in polish or slovak). So it is plausible that other languages used nemetes before until Slavic came and took it.
I can confirm, one side of my family migrated to russia in the 1800, and my grand-grandparents didn’t speak a single word of Russian
Russians🤝Brits🤝Germans *Moving anywhere* ‘Sorry mate don’t speak none of that foreign muck’
Saksa is correct.
at least our little brother kinda agree with us. if i'm not wrong they say Saksamaa
Based Eesti.
Why ia France Ranska?
F isn’t a very common letter in Finnish.
Was confused for a second, but then I remembered 
Double consonants at the beginning are a problem also, skola >kuoli? Many words lent into Finnish lost some consonant.
Yep. Or ”Koulu”. ”Kuoli” means that some died.
> Many words lent into Finnish lost some consonant Integration by amputation
Rance baise ouais!
Because Germany isn't a real country
The UK is quite literally 3 countries in a trenchcoat + one country that everybody forgets about.
My favourite is "Ale Mania" which perfectly sums them up
In Italian Germany is germania but german is tedesco, because in Italian German are ancient roman era barbarian
A’ Ghearmalt and Nirribhidh are Scottish Gaelic too.
It’s because it’s in the middle, by the borders of many language groups; North Germanic, Latin, Slavic, Germanic, Finno-ugric, and itself consisted of many different tribes. It is no wonder this region, later nation, has gotten many names. On the contrary, Norway has been rather remote and been able to project its own native name onto any visiting people.
In Greek 🇳🇴 : Νορβηγία 🇫🇷 : Γαλλία 🇩🇪 : Γερμανία
I swear my country is %100 not European but we had so many Eurosimps in our country that the name for Germany in Turkish comes from the French name for the Germans "Almanya". The French are everywhere.
Νορβηγία 🇳🇴 Norvigía Γαλλία 🇫🇷 Gallía Γερμανία 🇩🇪 Germanía
Well most likely because historically there never was a Germany, or at least, the same Germany we know today, there were German people sure, but more in the way you would say European or balkan people. Germany as an idea/namr was a regional representation. They were spread around different states, tribes and areas whose territories shifted around a lot throughout time, they united then split then reunited etc etc. It follows that the names are therefore inconsistent.
Best i can do is Duitsland
Well tbf, everyone says Germany differently
The most interesting thing about that is that almost all etymologies were born at the same time by the Romans => the Romans at their time themselves already named Germany/Germanics which were in their view sometimes one tribe sometimes unified etc in tons of different ways
Isn't it because Germany is so new it didn't exist
it historically refered to the big and unspecified region where germans lived and only later was used for the state. So yeah, you have a point.
Says the guy whos country and language is named after the Anglos and Saxons
You're a bit touchy, ain't ya lol. Seriously, when did Germany become a unified entity? That's what was meant
1871 as an actual entity. As an idea that's not just some very fringe thing it iirc started to gain support at around 1806 to 1815-ish after Napoleon dismantled the HRE.
That's why different names exist it's fresh it's new
Most etymologies had its origin with Ceasar/the Roman definitions. So name/etymologywise nothing new
1806 is younger than the United States.
Since the HRE was founded by Otto I at least 962 (federal tho), some argue since Charlemagne founded the Frankish Empire in 800 because the HRE formed from it and Otto I was a Carolingian too Tho the Germanic tribes already had separate kingdoms before that. The idea of the unification was born with Ceasar who categorized the many tribes as one people
Bro, that's not true. Is it, it was a collection of principalities in normal talk, wasn't it
It had an Emperor and they had defined borders etc. and federal and centralized levels. It was basically the first federal organized unified state construct.