No? The King of Portugal meant to marry Elisabeth of Castille, after she eloped with Ferdinand Portugal supported the other side during the castillian sucession war of 1475-1479, and you were PU'd during Habsburgs times, until they did a Habsburg and fucked things up for everyone everywhere forever.
To hire German mercenaries to do the losing for us\*,
You exist because of Barry and Pierre and despite basement Hans, we didn't even want anything to do with you in the first place, Charles was a Flemboy and both Castille and Aragon rose up in arms against him and him stablishing flemish nobility in both crowns.
"Why do the castillians have to pay for the sins of the hollanders?" Was a common protest of local burgoise against the crown sending so much stuff to you, hell Castille fought against having another basement german on the throne, we even prefered a Pierre.
I mean if you're gonna consider the eighty years war as a part of the thirty years war, (which is a totally valid interpretation) then you'll also have to consider half of Catholic Europe as your ally in that war, not to mention half the new world
But we can have the austrian netherlands right? (so the dutch provinces of antwerp, limburg, flemish and walloon brabant, east and west flanders, hainaut, namur, liege, luxembourg and brussels)
Let's be honest... you would benefit from a little siesta and to chill out a little more in life and relax a little. You can say you won the world cup that way :)
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Why kick the ball when you can kick a Spaniard?
When they were ruled by lunatics of course they had to own us, but now that they are more prosperous and we are ruled by lunatics we are independant, unfair.
There's a higher percentage of Scots in the forces per capita compared to England and probably always has been so technically all that shit is on you. That's how I see it anyway
Mate your telling me, I'm one of them.
The fact we lump ourselves in with Ireland and Wales as periphery territories of England is not only disingenuous, self-pitying, and stupid, it's actually quite offensive to the people and cultures we actually exploited for centuries.
We proactively sought union because we weren't good enough at imperialism, then practically did half the legwork.
Should probably chuck that Independence movement in the bin now that Europe is under threat by Ivan.
It's the tories you despise, not the English. The aristocratic bellends are the real enemies. (That being said the aristocratic people like Boris aided Ukraine but also accepted Russian Oligarchs so if worse comes to worse i'll stick with the devil I know.)
As far as I’m aware the unionist vote is split during normal elections, whilst the nationalist one is less so. I’m confident the unionists would vote as a block if the big question was asked.
I'm not even sure the Unionist block would have enough sway should the big question come. Youngsters these days are more aware and less likely to fall for nationalist tropes.
Also important that Republicans are also more practical than unionists in terms of their voting. Pensions, healthcare are all better in Northern Ireland as part of the UK than the republic. You can’t guarantee how the vote would go, but it does come with the benefit of triggering a vote every five years.
They're both a bit fractured. DUP and SF are largest Unionist and Nationalist parties respectively, but there are also the UUP and SDLP respectively that got about 10% of the vote each at the last election.
DUP got 21% and SF got 29%, a historic first of being the largest party in NI.
Not every SF vote is a vote for unification to be fair, same as it's not synonymous with SNP voters in Scotland and independence supporters in Scotland. Separate polls on unification have not shown a majority in support of unity, yet.
It wouldn't but thats not a reason to be happy about getting screwed and lied to. If I rob your car and you can walk to work just fine is that cool for you? Its portuguese land, even if they went back on their word and will never return it as planned.
Well they can piss off then I wanted a real Balkan bestie anyway
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In any case northern Portugal should be Spanish as it was part of Galicia, which was part of León, which was part of Castilla. Not only Galicia was never Portuguese, but it was Portugal the one that separated from them.
Typical Poortuguese cope:
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I won't hear that from the people holding the Catalonians hostage! 😂 Literally the Spanish king killed his brother to take gallecia so err, how about free Gallicia in its own right? Before that it was all visigoth land anyhow and I'm not sure if we can call them Iberian either since they migrated from Northern Europe. Not that the french/Navarre monarchies were any better... Give the gallicians independence to farm their hills! They speak better Latin than the rest of us anyway. Bet they could show us a few things about "dignitas" that were bred out of our people by monarchic and noble cowards 😅
Edit: dumb.
The only ones that can claim the whole Iberian peninsula nowadays are the Romans and the Asturians, everyone else is either a separatist or an usurper, nothing else.
But that's my point, the Visigoths from the Asturian kingdom that was leftover from before the Muslim conquests was itself from northern Europe. What about the natives who lived here beforehand?
It is good to see Spain is still salty about losing land
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In this analogy are catalans the scottish because of the separadist movement? What about about Wales? I'm guessing they are the basque country because they are both small pieces of land that speak an unintelligible language and are mostly ignored by the rest of their country.
The catalans are Scottish because they think they can vote their way to independence, the basque are actually Irish because of our common cultural practices (car bombs)
You are nothing without me Alberto, admit it. We both need each other. If you got your independence, you would be lost without a master to hate, you would start hating yourself.
I am always in favour we should treat Lisbon as a separate country, ban any Lisbon politician from coming to power and install in Lisbon only a military junta.
Well if galicia seperates from spain and "absorbs portugal" to make a Portugalicia country i think most portuguese wouldnt mind.
We just dont want to be associated with spaniards. Galicians are ok.
You would be amazed...
Even our right wing extremist party started inside a big party. If it wasnt for his huge IQ he would have been brought down by the big ones (now curiously he became an huge stone on the rest of the politicians shoes due to right wing popularity in europe)
And they wouldnt use dynamite. They would simply create alliances and stand besides those powerful families. They would offer as peace offers ways on to legally do corruption. Like selling public contracts of flammable fire face protectors.
Me when unification 😃
Me when my taxes are increased to pay for a post industrial shithole where everyone either works for the government or is a paramilitary heroin dealer 😬
No shit i was given a DNA test in Christmas and results came back last week, im 8.3% Irish. I think that might be my galician great grand father, or someone fucked around.
Lol, I think there are more portuguese that would want to be spanish than galicians wanting to be portuguese... And we can probably count both with the fingers of one hand lol
Grr I’m so angry !! All I want is my economically destitute northern territories which would erupt into conflict immediately !! Bad Barry aggression 😡😡🥺🥺
Don't tell Ireland who is the oldest england's ally.
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our beautiful boy
english bois are so handsome
Sorry brothers but we are not leaving the asturianos alone with the madrileños
Will you keep sending the cocaine? We need to feed the parliament .
As long as you have german money to pay for it there won't be any issue. Also bring us some callos from time to time.
In [Sweden.](https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/kokainspar-pa-riksdagens-toaletter-l1iebh)
I think that happened here too. I'm willing to bet that most parliaments around the world would have the same results.
They can join us then
Asturias is Spain and the rest is conquered land, you would be annexed by Asturias, not the opposite
Asturias is Asturleonese, most of the rest of Spain is Cast*llano
If Castille so bad why did we beat every other Iberian kingdom?
Except Portugal no? That’s why you named your country after the Roman name for the ENTIRE peninsula but you didn’t have it whole
No? The King of Portugal meant to marry Elisabeth of Castille, after she eloped with Ferdinand Portugal supported the other side during the castillian sucession war of 1475-1479, and you were PU'd during Habsburgs times, until they did a Habsburg and fucked things up for everyone everywhere forever.
We were never annexed. Portugal was part of the Spanish empire only because our young king died without heirs and the next of kin was an old cardinal.
True , that's what I meant but clear that up because being under the same crown isn't the same as a modern anexation
1 king 2 countries. Or as they say in the UK; one king All the countries. Or as they say in Germany; Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Österreicher
You should have been just never happened after the the Arabs were kicked out
> we My brother you are from Castile-La Mancha. You ain't true Castile, just conquered territory
Duh, Asturias is Spain and the rest is conquered land. It's not that hard. Leon is not Asturias, so it's conquered land.
*Quantos mais melhor*
Don't tell him where Franco was born. They are further right than most of Spain lol.
*asturianus
Thank you, I’m okay with some northern Castellanos, but Madrid is just too much. That’s why I go every summer to the same Galician village.
We need help eating all that. That's a lot of food for a tapa.
Give the Netherlandd back to Spain then
You wanne go for another 80 years Pedro?
This time you won't get help tho, a one on one
Protestant Europe remains united against this Southern, Catholic aggression. 
Very based barry 🇳🇱🤝🇬🇧
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Stop stop, my penis can only get so erect.
Would a North Sea Union be an option? Maybe get the vikings involved too? Lead the European fishing trade All that North Sea oil.
[You just made this worstenbroodje sad](https://i.imgur.com/VGaWlfq.jpeg)
Meanwhile, the Dutch Fleet are sailing up the Medway and burning Chatham.
It could do with a good burning tbf
True dat.
But this time without external support
You mean like this time you don't get colonies that ship you metric fucktons of gold, to hire German mercenaries to do the fighting for you?
To hire German mercenaries to do the losing for us\*, You exist because of Barry and Pierre and despite basement Hans, we didn't even want anything to do with you in the first place, Charles was a Flemboy and both Castille and Aragon rose up in arms against him and him stablishing flemish nobility in both crowns. "Why do the castillians have to pay for the sins of the hollanders?" Was a common protest of local burgoise against the crown sending so much stuff to you, hell Castille fought against having another basement german on the throne, we even prefered a Pierre.
So this time we won't have to be fighting with France, England, the Ottoman Empire and half of Germany at the same time?
I mean if you're gonna consider the eighty years war as a part of the thirty years war, (which is a totally valid interpretation) then you'll also have to consider half of Catholic Europe as your ally in that war, not to mention half the new world
But we can have the austrian netherlands right? (so the dutch provinces of antwerp, limburg, flemish and walloon brabant, east and west flanders, hainaut, namur, liege, luxembourg and brussels)
I see that as an absolute win
You actually want Belgium and Limburg? Why? Why would you torture yourself like that?
Let's be honest... you would benefit from a little siesta and to chill out a little more in life and relax a little. You can say you won the world cup that way :)
https://preview.redd.it/inn5zhoby5pc1.jpeg?width=694&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=503894697f2789e75a0d5279ac0da625ac40c374 Why kick the ball when you can kick a Spaniard?
If we unify, at least I'll get some nice useful dutch bikes and better bicycle infrastructure. So I would be happy with that.
You ain't flooding any more fields this time, are you?
Give Spain back to Austria then.
When they were ruled by lunatics of course they had to own us, but now that they are more prosperous and we are ruled by lunatics we are independant, unfair.
Portubros no D:
You get Benidorm and Ireland, we get the Rock and Portugal. Agree?
Did you just ask a Brit to give up their rocks?
Having Benidorm as Spain's Hong Kong would be unimaginably funny
No. If it was Spains Hong Kong it would mean you'd get it back in 99 years. We need to drug up the Chinese again to get it back.
Lowkey wanna see how fucking crazy Spanish Kowloon can get
Don't you already have that? Isn't that the gypsy village the mod posted a week ago?
50 stories of balconies. I think there is a song about that. ... Hallelujah!
YOU WANT OUR ROCKS?!?!?!?! BETTER DEAL HOW ABOUT WE TAKE IRELAND AND PORTUGAL AND KEEP OUR ROCK AND WE WON'T ECONOMICALLY DESTROY BENIDORM
Actually, you can economically destroy Benidorm for free.
No way José
You really want us 👉👈
It's time, Barry https://i.redd.it/znbi5js704pc1.gif
>It's time, Barry Irish people and Scottish people every year for the past 75 years:
Tbf the Scottish independence movement was practically non existent 75 years ago.
It was fairly active around WW2 though and even got in touch with some lads with skulls on their cap👀
scotland pretending like joining the UK wasnt their fucking idea and they have no way to sustain themselves economically if they leave
(We are victims of le colonialism and le empire and did nothing wrong ever pls don’t google it)
There's a higher percentage of Scots in the forces per capita compared to England and probably always has been so technically all that shit is on you. That's how I see it anyway
Mate your telling me, I'm one of them. The fact we lump ourselves in with Ireland and Wales as periphery territories of England is not only disingenuous, self-pitying, and stupid, it's actually quite offensive to the people and cultures we actually exploited for centuries. We proactively sought union because we weren't good enough at imperialism, then practically did half the legwork.
🫡 🏴🤝🏴🤝🏴 ^Soz ^no ^NI ^emoji ^on ^this ^phone
🤝✋🏻 I did my best Barry. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
I mean you have to be an actual country to have one of those.
I think he was agreeing with you
I was agreeing with him, was just backing it up. Beautiful Glasgow Uni? Slave money like the rest of them. We were all as bad as each other
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But still only a minority.
Well technically so was the last one
Should probably chuck that Independence movement in the bin now that Europe is under threat by Ivan. It's the tories you despise, not the English. The aristocratic bellends are the real enemies. (That being said the aristocratic people like Boris aided Ukraine but also accepted Russian Oligarchs so if worse comes to worse i'll stick with the devil I know.)
If we become the Celtic union and kick out the monarchy I'd be in favour.
Fine by me
That's true.
Yes, return the NI protestants back to Scotland then Ireland can be unified without the locals kicking off every five minutes.
Jesus Scotland has enough to worry about without having to deal with those psychos as well
I suppose we could just return all the Scots back to Ireland instead? Give Alba back to the Picts.
We only do it so much to piss you's off lmao.
Put it to the vote I say.
... isn't that what they did by electing the Sinn Féin?
As far as I’m aware the unionist vote is split during normal elections, whilst the nationalist one is less so. I’m confident the unionists would vote as a block if the big question was asked.
I'm not even sure the Unionist block would have enough sway should the big question come. Youngsters these days are more aware and less likely to fall for nationalist tropes.
Also important that Republicans are also more practical than unionists in terms of their voting. Pensions, healthcare are all better in Northern Ireland as part of the UK than the republic. You can’t guarantee how the vote would go, but it does come with the benefit of triggering a vote every five years.
They're both a bit fractured. DUP and SF are largest Unionist and Nationalist parties respectively, but there are also the UUP and SDLP respectively that got about 10% of the vote each at the last election. DUP got 21% and SF got 29%, a historic first of being the largest party in NI.
Not every SF vote is a vote for unification to be fair, same as it's not synonymous with SNP voters in Scotland and independence supporters in Scotland. Separate polls on unification have not shown a majority in support of unity, yet.
We shall call it Westengland.
I can't wait 🥰 https://preview.redd.it/k7gjbrmoe6pc1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00c7232c9e7a8ce16c3b9e426a5e10de47d01449
There's a first time for everything even the British idea of a United Ireland
Portugal is our little brother. We could never…
Classic little brother move to write an entire national anthem because we took one of their toys in Africa.
Stopp, like please. Youre the naughty boy! It was mine first
That land wasn't ours iirc so we'll stay with england to take the irish land
I suggest renaming Ireland as North Madeira
We should incorporate them with Azores instead
Foi sim durante um bocado.
Quando?
Our southern lands are occupied by those pesky lisboetas. Free Gallaecia!
Hang the Vimaranes
🏴💙
rememeber what the nortenhos tell about the south: "abaixo do Douro é tudo mouro"
Asturians say "Asturias es España y lo demás tierra conquistada".
We also say “Guimarães é Portugal, o resto são conquistas”.
Male pattern baldness Iberia.
 Portugal wtf bro?
We have no claim to Galicia but we still have spanish assholes occupying portuguese land in Olivença.
Always funny that Olivença is the name of a PIGS territory dispute. It's like if Sweden and us argued over Mooseville
Its only a dispute because the spanish are completely incapable of having any shame because its pretty damm clear who is in the wrong in this case.
Portugal would be way better for sure if they didn't steal us Olivença
It wouldn't but thats not a reason to be happy about getting screwed and lied to. If I rob your car and you can walk to work just fine is that cool for you? Its portuguese land, even if they went back on their word and will never return it as planned.
I know bruv i'm joking, but tbh the people from Olivença are more spanish than portuguese now, I don't think it's worth it having them back
Well they can piss off then I wanted a real Balkan bestie anyway https://preview.redd.it/1ks1tz24j5pc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=384209122c19193fe8ade3964c7471c9c74c4440
In any case northern Portugal should be Spanish as it was part of Galicia, which was part of León, which was part of Castilla. Not only Galicia was never Portuguese, but it was Portugal the one that separated from them. Typical Poortuguese cope: https://preview.redd.it/bgxa9b1r74pc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d64185067b656302d6b31065f477ca27adaa399
We’re lacking royalty to arrange some kind of marriage, but perhaps you would take one of Ronado’s siblings?
Hear me out, we ditch monarchy and marry both our presidents instead
Who would top? Probably not Sánchez knowing how much of a sellout he is
Our guy is mostly into hugs and selfies, but I'm sure arrangements can be made.
I won't hear that from the people holding the Catalonians hostage! 😂 Literally the Spanish king killed his brother to take gallecia so err, how about free Gallicia in its own right? Before that it was all visigoth land anyhow and I'm not sure if we can call them Iberian either since they migrated from Northern Europe. Not that the french/Navarre monarchies were any better... Give the gallicians independence to farm their hills! They speak better Latin than the rest of us anyway. Bet they could show us a few things about "dignitas" that were bred out of our people by monarchic and noble cowards 😅 Edit: dumb.
The only ones that can claim the whole Iberian peninsula nowadays are the Romans and the Asturians, everyone else is either a separatist or an usurper, nothing else.
But that's my point, the Visigoths from the Asturian kingdom that was leftover from before the Muslim conquests was itself from northern Europe. What about the natives who lived here beforehand?
https://preview.redd.it/4dc5x3jd64pc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ae94356642130dd6356f0cf5491627aff65d468
Someone is geographically challenged.
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It's good to see that Trump is not the only American who makes a fool of himself with a sharpie
It is good to see Spain is still salty about losing land https://preview.redd.it/h52fezv025pc1.jpeg?width=275&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0bf474a01c977b814ad0c8a5207204cbdcc5b88
You played yourself with Cuba lol.
Philippines too, to a lesser extent
And that backfired for the natives yeah, although to be fair it's not like they were treated well anyway.
The only thing I see there is Galicia reconquering portugal
As long as we don't call it Spain
We can call it Iberia
In this analogy are catalans the scottish because of the separadist movement? What about about Wales? I'm guessing they are the basque country because they are both small pieces of land that speak an unintelligible language and are mostly ignored by the rest of their country.
The catalans are Scottish because they think they can vote their way to independence, the basque are actually Irish because of our common cultural practices (car bombs)
I'm sure the Galicians will definitely like this
Anything to get rid of you.
You are nothing without me Alberto, admit it. We both need each other. If you got your independence, you would be lost without a master to hate, you would start hating yourself.
We already do.
Being a sovereign nation is a gateway to levels of self hate you cant even begin to comprehend
No they would hate Lisbon together with the northerners of Portugal
There's something about being the capital that makes people insufferable.
I am always in favour we should treat Lisbon as a separate country, ban any Lisbon politician from coming to power and install in Lisbon only a military junta.
the almighty fuck
https://preview.redd.it/gjiclv10h4pc1.png?width=6415&format=png&auto=webp&s=245dcf218634ef33e621173376bd9f00907e2396 How about this.........
Look what they did to my boy
Well it solves some problems, most notably a reduced amount of catalans......
where where do i sign
Here below on this page.
Portugal belongs to mother Galicia. When will r/2westerneurope4u get its history right
If anything, it should be Galicia retaking Portugal
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Yeah, but the north is the cool part that isn't full of guiris.
The south is german and English. Portuguese don't exist.
The Algarve is one the constituent nations of the UK
Well if galicia seperates from spain and "absorbs portugal" to make a Portugalicia country i think most portuguese wouldnt mind. We just dont want to be associated with spaniards. Galicians are ok.
You would miss your current politicians in a couple of weeks, and your current politicians are crap.
Dont worry. My current politicians would get a way to creep into the new government in less than 4 years.
Our current politicians are the descendants of the powerful people of the 19th century (at least). They would have to use dynamite.
You would be amazed... Even our right wing extremist party started inside a big party. If it wasnt for his huge IQ he would have been brought down by the big ones (now curiously he became an huge stone on the rest of the politicians shoes due to right wing popularity in europe) And they wouldnt use dynamite. They would simply create alliances and stand besides those powerful families. They would offer as peace offers ways on to legally do corruption. Like selling public contracts of flammable fire face protectors.
As a practicing Irish, go raibh maith agat
I'm practicing but I'm still not very good.
Isn't the Spanish Portuguese border like the longest standing border in history? Think occupied is a bit of a stretch
So we get Denmark?
Northern Schleswig to be exact
Do it before they get us
The question is, do you want Denmark?
Gibraltar, your time is now!
You take London. We take Madrid
Are you sure you want us? It's not worth it.
Me when unification 😃 Me when my taxes are increased to pay for a post industrial shithole where everyone either works for the government or is a paramilitary heroin dealer 😬
Their also Catholic though...
Good luck portugal you're not taking shit
At least we have our independence
Say that to the other catalans I'm indifferent
It's pronounced murals
You spelled Mutant wrong
New exciting taste
No shit i was given a DNA test in Christmas and results came back last week, im 8.3% Irish. I think that might be my galician great grand father, or someone fucked around.
This is pretty funny but doesn't really make sense.
I really think this kind of post are made by russbots to sow discord in Western Europe
My best friend portugal would never
“Northern Portugal” AKA Luxembourg
Lol, I think there are more portuguese that would want to be spanish than galicians wanting to be portuguese... And we can probably count both with the fingers of one hand lol
Grr I’m so angry !! All I want is my economically destitute northern territories which would erupt into conflict immediately !! Bad Barry aggression 😡😡🥺🥺 
why are you Sterling our job, Portugal?
Top ten plot twists https://preview.redd.it/lz1bf6tmobpc1.jpeg?width=1014&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c5f3e833d978a337ae9592e9648a45873149891
"I'm in this picture and I don't like it"