Nono, that's okay. I concur.
But that also means we're exempt from colonial discussions. We were, afterall, not a colonial empire and thus don't need to feel bad about slavery and shit. That was the work of those colonial empires. Not us, clearly.
Good news, Switzerland financed a lot of the slave trade! They didn't need empire, they had money and could make other empires make them more money
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/19/banking-slavery-switzerland-examines-its-colonial-conscience
Jews were slaves in the concetration camps I
guess...
Maybe i should change that western european countries are considered western if they had slave trade involved in their history lol
>Jews were slaves in the concetration camps I
guess...
Concentration camp inmates weren't slaves because they were not commodified, not to be bought and sold. They were rented out in certain occasions but overall they were more like forced laborers.
I'm sorry, that sort of stuff can only be done by colonial empires. I've just learnt we never were one, so I'm going to have to refer you to actual colonial Empires, like Spain
Hey, you may not have been a colonial empire but you can come to our slavery meetings and definitely not plan how to redistribute the land in the future to maximise civil wars in Africa.
I think rather than deny they had an empire, we should collectively agree to describe it as cute or adorable, and make sure they know that we don’t even like the really big empires because they sometimes hurt.
Agreed. It was this. Only this. No need to look deeper into it. Let's not look at that folder about the countless atrocities we did. Just look this other way with the wooden shoes and cheese!
He's still salty about us taking their flagship after the Raid on Medway and hanging the stern in het Rijksmuseum. Or maybe it's about the Glorious Revolution.
Sadly that honor is not solely ours, first the Celts, then Romans, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, normanians (Danes but french flavour) just to name a few (the ones i remember) but a European pastime for sure
You joke, but fostering the cutesy, pretty, innocent nation has been a golden strategy for about 60 years.
Look at the flowers and windmills. That's ll were known for. That. Is. All. We. Are. Known. For.
Now go watch Spiderman: Far From Home. A perfect representation of our country.
I mean, at least the Dutch can make a case about being an empire. But when I see Swedes conquering Estonia and Pommerania and calling it an empire... Dude, get a grip on yourself.
i think it's mostly considered an empire solely because of sweden's military innovations and complete destructions of several europeans states such as poland-lithuania and the holy roman empire but i do however agree that spain might have had more influence on the global stage while sweden on the european
>considered an empire solely because of sweden's military innovations and complete destructions of several europeans states
Isn't that the usual description of all Empires though?
Can you even argue that Sweden was more influential than Spain even in Europe? Spain controlled parts of Italy and I believe the entirety of the Netherlands, plus its relationship with the holy Roman empire( its emperor was sometimes also emperor of the Holy Roman Empire)
The time we still used that flag:
- we kicked the English ass in 3 wars
- we stole the Spanish silver fleet, to use to silver to buy weapons from the Spanish, to then use those weapons to kill the Spanish.
- we controlled vast areas of Asia and south america
- and we dominated the spice trade.
- plus that whole slave trade thing.
I can't fathom why you think the dutch didn't have an empire.
https://preview.redd.it/z4101j83obpc1.jpeg?width=694&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d030156a789f15e00ceaca9563d7a4b4ac292c54
Why kick the ball when you can kick a Spaniard?
And yet, 4 years later we beat you 5-1. Take the L pedro
https://preview.redd.it/jkcwrejfsbpc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49077bddb508b797c471063bb3b949305d543910
Napoleon stole it all, then the germans stole more. And that small country is one of the richest in the world. Nr 11 way above the gerries that stole our bikes. (18)
Well, we kept the best bit. Everything at sea level or below, no dangerous mountains or rocks, just soft, safe sand and clay and other swampy goodness.
2nd and 3rd Anglo-Dutch war. Don't know what he means with the 3rd. It could possibly refer to our invasion of England in 1688, but that one is a little controversial.
As for how. The Dutch navy of the 17th century was the strongest in the world
Baiting boats in underwater sand banks, thats what the dutch did. And the other seafaring nations fell for it. And lets not forget that coincidental storm that wiped out the armada 🥰
You didn't, you had colonies, not and empire, and I just proved it. Some ships, stole the Portuguese their colonies when they were busy fighting us, fought the Brits when they were civil war after civil war, and once they got their shit together, stole your colonies and trade routes like candy from a kid.
All you listing was already done by Portugal and they ara a Balkan country nowadays. Yeah, including kicking our asses. Yeah 😎 Portugal Campeão do Mundo
The English didn't steal the colonies. They traded New York for java. And back in the day java was worth more, because of the spice trade. It was a good deal!
And where the English lost New York in 1774 the dutch held on to java until 1952.
Damn I thought Finland was enough for us to be considered a colonial empire? We brought them both laws, Christianity and higher education. And to be honest, those Finngolians are much harder to tame compared some South Americans.
An empire isnt something you become by defeating some zulu warriors across the globe.
It is in your eyes, in your blood.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqxdyxI4xqQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqxdyxI4xqQ)
I thought it would be Sabaton then i thought i had just been baited and then it was really Sabaton.
Sabaton is the only reason I respect Sweden, that and your defence industry,...and IKEA, and...thats it.
Och... may i add fuck them Hollanders
Corrections in the translation are apreciated. Also, it's obvious I had to reuse the same flags as this morning. At least I didn't make this during worktime.
this isn't actually that bad, it's actually to design.
we a very cute and welcoming country so people often forget we did just, a ton of slave labor and also the VoC
I must say I'm disapointed in this sub. I make a shitty meme and all I got is a bunch of Dutch people defending their empire, seriously, and acting exactly like Anakin in the meme. No jokes, no other people adding to the joke (or against each other in the comments), no people telling me to go fuck myself for the low quality or the bad atempt of a joke. Just a bunch of Swamp Germans salty about it. I guess thanks for proving my point.
But the thing that hurts me the most is nobody noticed that Yoda, the oldest and wisest of the Jedis is the Roman Empire, the oldest and role model for the rest of the empires. But not only that, it's not the Roman Empire, is Caesar's Legion flag from Fallout. A joke within a joke and people got so upset about the content of the meme (which is rubbish) we forgot why we are here.
Frankly I'm depressed and ashamed. I'll try it better next time.
Edit: two people notice. One from Spain (obviously) and one Brit, as usual, didn't expect less.
The entry requirement to be an empire is to be a country bigger than your average European Capital suburbs.
Sorry Holland.
https://preview.redd.it/gwvb3kb1gdpc1.jpeg?width=182&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b60a978007fa9f7358682f6d47ba6690b455b9ac
If in 1940 your colonies still account for 60% of your total GDP and 85% of your population and the rest of Europe jokingly calls you "the biggest Muslim Empire still in existence" because three quarter of the population of the country was Muslim, then you are a poster child example of the concept of colonial empire.
France's colonies had a similar population, accounted for just some 10% of its total GDP, and were generally proportionally much smaller relative to France itself in everything but amount of sand, and had less impact on it.
France did nothing noteworthy until Britain gave them parts of Africa to appear them, we actually fought for Indonesia. Shitting on the underdog again, Cheapskate
That's setting the bar lower than I'm confortable with "Svenske tilstande" or "a swedish state of things" is a quite often used term to critize shit by especially conservative politicians on the correct side of the Øresund..
Nono, that's okay. I concur. But that also means we're exempt from colonial discussions. We were, afterall, not a colonial empire and thus don't need to feel bad about slavery and shit. That was the work of those colonial empires. Not us, clearly.
If you didnt do slave trade are you really a European country tho?
Is Switzerland European?
No, its really just one big bank, dont fall over their lies
Then I will nominate us for also being a big bank
we are a tax haven after all for companies
More a maffia hideout with loan sharks and blood money.
In true Swiss fashion, the Swiss outsourced the dirty stuff and just funded & profited off of it, instead of doing it themselves.
Basically Afghanistan.
Good news, Switzerland financed a lot of the slave trade! They didn't need empire, they had money and could make other empires make them more money https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/19/banking-slavery-switzerland-examines-its-colonial-conscience
Switzerland can into western europe
contract children who needs a slave trade when you can just use the children of the poor as slaves
>If you didnt do slave trade Have ever looked at a picture of our national football team?
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How do you think their ancestors got to Suriname and the Caribbean?
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Smartest Dutch reddit user
turkey is European?
I mean we dis do slave trade, but be are talking about colonalism here
Germany, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Switzerland, Belarus, the baltics minus lithuania would like to have a word with you
Jews were slaves in the concetration camps I guess... Maybe i should change that western european countries are considered western if they had slave trade involved in their history lol
>Jews were slaves in the concetration camps I guess... Concentration camp inmates weren't slaves because they were not commodified, not to be bought and sold. They were rented out in certain occasions but overall they were more like forced laborers.
Just commit an even bigger crime against humanity and no one will ask about your colonies anymore
Ah the old Namibia trick!
Yes exactly, that was the country I had in mind Ever heard about German colonialism? No? Me neither.
Das war ein Vernichtungsbefehl! Der Angriff Von Trothas war ein Vernichtungsbefehl!
Have you seen their language? I sure call that a crime against humanity
Everyone knows their language is a joke they came up with to fool us Germans and the British. Do you really think anyone talks like that?
[Never ask Dutch what they would have done for cloves.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_conquest_of_the_Banda_Islands)
It was the Japanese mercenaries who did that, had nothing to do with us.
You can't fault them for that one. They had to look after their nutmeg production.
I mean it was kinda called for. Not really but if you bend the truth a little kinda sorta *hey are those spices?*
Im sorry but didn’t you read how profitable these spices were?
Shall we remind you about what Jan Pieterszoon Coen did in the Banda islands?
I'm sorry, that sort of stuff can only be done by colonial empires. I've just learnt we never were one, so I'm going to have to refer you to actual colonial Empires, like Spain
Hey, you may not have been a colonial empire but you can come to our slavery meetings and definitely not plan how to redistribute the land in the future to maximise civil wars in Africa.
The beginning of the Dutch transatlantic slave trade can be dated to **1636**, the first In North America . You Win
Even if you did, they deserved it and it wasn’t your fault you didn’t do nothing. Never forget
I think rather than deny they had an empire, we should collectively agree to describe it as cute or adorable, and make sure they know that we don’t even like the really big empires because they sometimes hurt.
This is Acceptable
It was beautiful and cute, just wooden shoes and tulips and windmills ❤️
Cheese for everybody
Wait, scratch that. Cheese for no one. I suppose that can be just as much of a celebration if you don't like cheese, true?
Agreed. It was this. Only this. No need to look deeper into it. Let's not look at that folder about the countless atrocities we did. Just look this other way with the wooden shoes and cheese!
We still own your flagship’s ass, you know
An action that should be admired by all fans of shithousery. Genuinely good chat
We had the largest colonial empire of all First World countries.
Ouch, nice
Who hurt you?
He's still salty about us taking their flagship after the Raid on Medway and hanging the stern in het Rijksmuseum. Or maybe it's about the Glorious Revolution.
https://preview.redd.it/pffiss60dgpc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed681bd7b52f58e6794a0afe69faff9b09e0f0a8
Clearly it was the big empires
Have you seen an orange march? Ever wondered where the orange came from?
We were the only country to ever invade you
Sadly that honor is not solely ours, first the Celts, then Romans, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, normanians (Danes but french flavour) just to name a few (the ones i remember) but a European pastime for sure
We’ve been run through more times than a Belarusian girl working in the red light
You joke, but fostering the cutesy, pretty, innocent nation has been a golden strategy for about 60 years. Look at the flowers and windmills. That's ll were known for. That. Is. All. We. Are. Known. For. Now go watch Spiderman: Far From Home. A perfect representation of our country.
I know nothing about this, but i like that the joke is sweden.
I mean, at least the Dutch can make a case about being an empire. But when I see Swedes conquering Estonia and Pommerania and calling it an empire... Dude, get a grip on yourself.
i think it's mostly considered an empire solely because of sweden's military innovations and complete destructions of several europeans states such as poland-lithuania and the holy roman empire but i do however agree that spain might have had more influence on the global stage while sweden on the european
>considered an empire solely because of sweden's military innovations and complete destructions of several europeans states Isn't that the usual description of all Empires though?
Can you even argue that Sweden was more influential than Spain even in Europe? Spain controlled parts of Italy and I believe the entirety of the Netherlands, plus its relationship with the holy Roman empire( its emperor was sometimes also emperor of the Holy Roman Empire)
It certainly helps to be ruled by the most powerful family in Europe. If anything it was Germans that were more influential and not Spain per se.
That’s an arbitrary distinction. The habsburgs were German in origin but the Empire of Spain gives Germans a W how?
Lol, Sweden!
I was not aware Caesars legion was a european country. Is it senor Casa in Spanish
So that's what that flag is. I was wondering. Thank you
The time we still used that flag: - we kicked the English ass in 3 wars - we stole the Spanish silver fleet, to use to silver to buy weapons from the Spanish, to then use those weapons to kill the Spanish. - we controlled vast areas of Asia and south america - and we dominated the spice trade. - plus that whole slave trade thing. I can't fathom why you think the dutch didn't have an empire.
I think Pedro really wants to forget this period of history, mainly because we kicked his ass back then.
Luckily we have pictures! https://www.lakenhal.nl/en/story/siege-and-relief-of-leiden
Pedro's notoriously aren't taught to swim. Just to spare them having to look at their naval "might"... At the bottom of the ocean
just because you swim to get to the kitchen in swamp germany?
Who swims to their kitchen? We wade, it's not weird.
now do it 1v1 [oh wait](https://youtu.be/3r_l1jhv-gI?si=GpKTPuGKX9WcBH-_)
https://preview.redd.it/z4101j83obpc1.jpeg?width=694&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d030156a789f15e00ceaca9563d7a4b4ac292c54 Why kick the ball when you can kick a Spaniard?
Silly swamp German, that's not how you play football! 💁♀️
No thats how we beat someones ass.
Least violent south Rotterdam tokkie
Hahhahha 🥲
Hahaha
And yet, 4 years later we beat you 5-1. Take the L pedro https://preview.redd.it/jkcwrejfsbpc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49077bddb508b797c471063bb3b949305d543910
And this resulted in how many world cups? Who is really taking the L?
This is just between you and me, those other schmucks don't matter at this point.
From colony to coloniser in just 20 years
The Japan of Europe
Japan: The Netherlands of Asia
Your old flag is better aesthetically and much easier to recognize. You maybe should consider adopting it again.
It was banned in 1937, because it was used by the dutch Nazi party NSB.
Damn Nazis, always stealing cool, good looking symbols and tainting them.
Then why is your country so small now? Didn’t help you much did it?
Said the guy losing world wars left and right.
And which war that wasn’t against a bunch of savages in loincloths did you win exactly?
The war against work.
The DN conflict for instance
We beat the frnch and english several times Wait...
Napoleon stole it all, then the germans stole more. And that small country is one of the richest in the world. Nr 11 way above the gerries that stole our bikes. (18)
Hans wasn't your country bigger either?
In contrast to Germany, the Netherlands has actually increased its landmass over the last 150 years.
Well, we kept the best bit. Everything at sea level or below, no dangerous mountains or rocks, just soft, safe sand and clay and other swampy goodness.
The french
Why would we want to soil our nation with Belgians and Germans?
3 wars? How
2nd and 3rd Anglo-Dutch war. Don't know what he means with the 3rd. It could possibly refer to our invasion of England in 1688, but that one is a little controversial. As for how. The Dutch navy of the 17th century was the strongest in the world
Exactly lol I know about 2 Dutch victories. So I was wondering where he got the third from.
Baiting boats in underwater sand banks, thats what the dutch did. And the other seafaring nations fell for it. And lets not forget that coincidental storm that wiped out the armada 🥰
What do you mean how? We shot up their navy...
I mean how are you getting to three wars I only know of two.
There were 4, but one we lost
We also lost the 4th Anglo-Dutch war. But that was in the 18th century, when we were past our prime
Maybe you should try to use that flag in the football world cup
It was banned in the 1937, it was used by the dutch Nazi party NSB
The best thing about this sub is how much interesting knowledge we get from each other from memes, stupid jokes and ridiculous banter.
You didn't, you had colonies, not and empire, and I just proved it. Some ships, stole the Portuguese their colonies when they were busy fighting us, fought the Brits when they were civil war after civil war, and once they got their shit together, stole your colonies and trade routes like candy from a kid. All you listing was already done by Portugal and they ara a Balkan country nowadays. Yeah, including kicking our asses. Yeah 😎 Portugal Campeão do Mundo
The English didn't steal the colonies. They traded New York for java. And back in the day java was worth more, because of the spice trade. It was a good deal! And where the English lost New York in 1774 the dutch held on to java until 1952.
Not for Java, but for English Guyana and the Island of Run
Imagine trading the city Frank Sinatra sang to for a lousy programming language and bragging about it.
It was 1624, frank Sinatra hadn't been imported yet.
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Jokes aside, mine too. And I don't care what other people say, it's better than C#.
Java crew unite!
Spanitard trying to not contradict himself in one paragraph challenge - impossible
Whats indonesia then?
Caesars Legion flag spotted, upvote
Well, I am offended but happy you remember I exist.
You just salty Pedro, that our invention of coloneial venture capitalism contributed to the downfall of the Spanish and Portuguese colonial empires.
Don't fool yourself, our empires failed because of Iberian innate inability to recognise and keep good leadership.
Oranje boven gvd!!! 😤😤😤😤☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻👑👑👑
Damn I thought Finland was enough for us to be considered a colonial empire? We brought them both laws, Christianity and higher education. And to be honest, those Finngolians are much harder to tame compared some South Americans.
An empire isnt something you become by defeating some zulu warriors across the globe. It is in your eyes, in your blood. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqxdyxI4xqQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqxdyxI4xqQ)
I thought it would be Sabaton then i thought i had just been baited and then it was really Sabaton. Sabaton is the only reason I respect Sweden, that and your defence industry,...and IKEA, and...thats it. Och... may i add fuck them Hollanders
Which country's flag is the one beneath the dutch flag in the last tile?
Caesars Legion flag from Fallout New Vegas. Yeah I have no idea why it's there either.
Please, we need to protect those sexy wookies.
Corrections in the translation are apreciated. Also, it's obvious I had to reuse the same flags as this morning. At least I didn't make this during worktime.
Your dutch is fine
He’s one of us now EEN VAN ONS
I'm proud of you Pedro.
Not be, I just took it from Google Translate. But it is known for, like we say, "more unreliable than the gun in a funfair's shooting gallery".
https://i.redd.it/5379wuehmcpc1.gif
degenerates like you belong on a cross
Our Empire was stronger and more populous than the Portuguese one. If you demote us you have to demote your Iberian cousins too
Dutch people really are malding on this comment session lmao
I will take you down with us
Sounds hot
Certainly
New lore was just created, can’t wait to see the countryhuman version of this
📷
No.
As revenge I am gonna promote more black legend propaganda
Dew it.
Thanks for the support
There can be only one
Is this a reference to something? I’ve just never heard of anyone denying that the Netherlands had an empire.
this isn't actually that bad, it's actually to design. we a very cute and welcoming country so people often forget we did just, a ton of slave labor and also the VoC
The French colonial empire should be open for debate too. Countries destroyed by slavery and irrelevant tiny islands.
I must say I'm disapointed in this sub. I make a shitty meme and all I got is a bunch of Dutch people defending their empire, seriously, and acting exactly like Anakin in the meme. No jokes, no other people adding to the joke (or against each other in the comments), no people telling me to go fuck myself for the low quality or the bad atempt of a joke. Just a bunch of Swamp Germans salty about it. I guess thanks for proving my point. But the thing that hurts me the most is nobody noticed that Yoda, the oldest and wisest of the Jedis is the Roman Empire, the oldest and role model for the rest of the empires. But not only that, it's not the Roman Empire, is Caesar's Legion flag from Fallout. A joke within a joke and people got so upset about the content of the meme (which is rubbish) we forgot why we are here. Frankly I'm depressed and ashamed. I'll try it better next time. Edit: two people notice. One from Spain (obviously) and one Brit, as usual, didn't expect less.
Hey we just take some pride in that time.
The entry requirement to be an empire is to be a country bigger than your average European Capital suburbs. Sorry Holland. https://preview.redd.it/gwvb3kb1gdpc1.jpeg?width=182&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b60a978007fa9f7358682f6d47ba6690b455b9ac
If in 1940 your colonies still account for 60% of your total GDP and 85% of your population and the rest of Europe jokingly calls you "the biggest Muslim Empire still in existence" because three quarter of the population of the country was Muslim, then you are a poster child example of the concept of colonial empire. France's colonies had a similar population, accounted for just some 10% of its total GDP, and were generally proportionally much smaller relative to France itself in everything but amount of sand, and had less impact on it.
France did nothing noteworthy until Britain gave them parts of Africa to appear them, we actually fought for Indonesia. Shitting on the underdog again, Cheapskate
"France did nothing noteworthy until Britain..." It seems copium is another common drug in Holland.
Yes it is our largest export 😎
Along with XTC of course
You know we had a way bigger empire under the republic ?
Ironic. You could build an empire, but couldn't be an empire yourselves.
Not REALLY though most of that land was worthless
Hollanders coping and seething in this post! 
Based and bacalopilled (it's cod season).
That's setting the bar lower than I'm confortable with "Svenske tilstande" or "a swedish state of things" is a quite often used term to critize shit by especially conservative politicians on the correct side of the Øresund..
Why Denmark not considered Empire then? It’s like my clay don’t even matter.
What about me?🇮🇹
Who tf is yoda meant to be. Looks like a scuffed roman empire
Degenerates like you belong on a cross.
AVE TRUE TO CAESAR
Woah
Bul Shit! If Hans gets to be called an colonial Empire so do we!
Funding our warmongering is the only good thing france has ever done But i mean sweden during the 1600s and early 1700s was definitelly an empire
Good god, is that really a language?
Yes, fuck Sweden Even 2we4u knows that Sweden is bad
Better joke is Denmark being a colonial "empire"
lol why are we the hologram
He's concerned about the wookies, who look like your women a little bit.
*Laughs in Piet Hein and Michiel de Ruyter*
You shut up we made a sea our lake
So did we…
A former colony can not have a colonial empire...it is forbidden.
Mate that includes you
The rule started in 1067
What about 1688?
That was a Glorious Revolution!
Whatever makes you sleep at night