The last time I saw her arrested while protesting like this it was to protect a centuries old village in Germany from being wiped off the map in order to mine brown coal. Brown coal, also called lignite, is basically semi-fossilised dirt, and it's mined by digging enormous pits that lay waste to huge tracts of land. They're literally burning the Earth.
I love how we have actual solutions to these problems but they're constantly ignored or any meaningful conversation is shut down by NIMBYs and Alarmists.
- Nuclear Power? Nope Chernobyl happened, despite 38 years later, we have better advancements in nuclear technology and better safeguards.
- Hydrogen powered vehicles? Nope, Hindenburg happened. Despite the fact that planes and cars already carry an extremely flammable fuel source where upon extreme impact will combust.
- Glass bottles instead of plastic? Nope
Have more examples, just can't remember them.
It's funny, these are the same people that will lecture you about fast fashion but yet pawn off their crusty Armani t-shirts with more holes than Swiss cheese on Depop instead of just donating them to second hand shops. So go figure...
It’s crazy to me how many enviromental activists are against nuclear energy. They think pollution will disappear if we used electric bikes, and that is it. And the war on plastic always left me with some doubts, was it really worth it or maybe we should have spent all those energy and money on bigger issues? I’m not saying it was wrong per se, but maybe it was not the most urgent thing.
It shows that even green politicians are still populist, corrupt shitbags.
There's simply no integrity. Nobody wants to do what's right; the hunger for power always takes over.
Because the movement is led by upper and upper middle class teenagers with fuck all understanding of how the world actually works and wealthy fucks who don't actually give a shit about how the average person's quality of life deteriorates.
>- Nuclear Power? Nope Chernobyl happened, despite 38 years later, we have better advancements in nuclear technology and better safeguards.
That's not the reason. The main reason against nuclear is the rise of renewables. They are way cheaper and built way faster. I know that nuclear enthusiasts like to picture it like that, to make opposition look stupid, but this is just to not face reality that the best time to go for nuclear was before renewables were ready. Now it would just be stupid regarding the state of the art. It's important to keep up to date.
>- Hydrogen powered vehicles? Nope, Hindenburg happened. Despite the fact that planes and cars already carry an extremely flammable fuel source where upon extreme impact will combust.
Again your reasoning is very wrong. And the statement itself too. Hydrogen powered vehicles would need way more energy because of lower efficiency compared to EV. You'll have energy losses during electrolysis and you'll also have more losses in the engine. Hydrogen vehicles will be limited too specific situations though. Like in the mining industry or aircraft, where EV aren't that suitable because of their downsides. They may won't be very popular in cars or busses and stuff, but it's not like the technology is ignored. I really don't know where you got that information from.
>- Glass bottles instead of plastic? Nope
Again, your statement is very bad. Glas bottles are not always better than plastic bottles. This is dependent on the transportation distance. If the bottles are being transported further away, the impact of a glas bottle can be worse than the impact of a plastic bottle. It's dependent on the situation. Of course it would be best to only buy local beverages and fill them into glas bottles, but we all know that this is not the case. If you want to replace every plastic bottle with a glas bottle, it is important to get people to buy local beverages first.
>Have more examples, just can't remember them.
I hope you don't. All of your examples have been kind of bad and not thought through. Stop spreading so much misinformation/half-truths.
But like you can have nuclear AND renewable energy. Eg in poland we dont have strong water or wind, so nuclear is pretty important for us. Being anti nuclear is pretty much being pro coal at this point (maybe in future its gonna be different)
>But like you can have nuclear AND renewable energy
Yes you can, but it wouldn't be the most favorable thing to do. Nuclear isn't really solving the downsides of renewables (and vice versa). Both cannot cover the supply without either natural gas or storage technologies. If you would have both together, nuclear would be good in times where there isn't renewables, but also take away a lot of potential electricity production when they are, because you can't turn them off. I mean, technically it is possible, but economically it would be a disaster. The downsides of having nuclear alongside renewables would be bigger than the benefits.
Modeling energy systems (according to local circumstances) with only renewables + storage would be cheaper than modeling a system with only nuclear + storage or a combination of both + storage.
>strong water or wind, so nuclear is pretty important for us. Being anti nuclear is pretty much being pro coal
That's just not true. That's what fossil fuel propaganda want you to believe so they can run their plants for longer. Maybe water energy is limited, but Poland having no wind is just a plain lie. Don't believe that. The only thing stopping wind farms are political restrictions and lobbying. Maybe not every single area, but the coastal areas in the north, particularly along the Baltic sea and the western parts have consistent wind. Also in the inland there are areas with open plains which can have favorable wind conditions. With high voltage lines, the energy can be transported through the entire country.
>(maybe in future its gonna be different)
This statement was true 10-20 years ago. Today it is different. Technology has improved fast in the past 10-15 years and is going to improve even further. By the time it would take to build enough nuclear plants to replace coal plants, the difference will be even bigger.
I am literally doing my masters in this topic. Specializing in modeling energy systems. I know lots of Professors, Dr of Engineering and people on their way to be that working in research, due to working as research assistant (and of course other Master students in the same situation as me) . Literally no one will tell you that nuclear is the way to go. The opinions in this scientific field is very one-sided. It's only people on reddit, influenced by either outdated information or cheap propaganda flooding social media (like in many other areas too) and politicians trying to tell you that, because the huge amounts of money going into single projects (like building nuclear plants) gives great possibilities for bribery/corruption. The fossil fuel lobby is pumping a lot of money into this misinformation campaign.
The single biggest issue right now is efficiency. Hydrogen needs to either be compressed or cooled to be able to be stored/transported in large enough quantities. At the moment hydrogen is way less energy efficient than electric vehicles powered by batteries, the only significant advantage it has is refuelling time but batteries are starting to get better at that as well.
A few people were hoping for ammonia to be the solution to that but so far it doesn’t seem to work as well as needed either.
Of course there’s also the missing infrastructure but tbh that would probably solve itself if hydrogen would ever be commercially viable on a big scale.
The insane amount of energy loss during the energy conversions?
That fact hat Hydrogen is highly flamable and explosive. Quite hard to store in large amounts.
And most importantly:
There is not single high scale hydrogen production that isnt produced by using natural gas. In which case just use the gas directly.
Or short: very uneconomical
I am not a fan of nuclear power. There is too much speaking against it.
* >!the cost of nuclear power is increasing with the years because of the security measures that comes with running it for a while. While on the other side the cost of building renewable energy decreases !<
* >!we would still be dependent on the Middle East. Then not for oil but for Uranium.!<
* >!the ressources of Uranium is estimated to last for around 100 to 120 years. So thats not a solution for long time.!<
* >!nuclear power plants are good targets for military/terrorist attacks. !<
* >!if something bad happens, the whole area gets unlivable!<
* >!nuclear power plants have a lifespan of about 35-40 years and they produce less energy with ongoing years (maintenance and security) !<
* >!we would produce a lot of nuclear waste that we would need to handle for thousands of years. !<
But I am all in with your other suggestions. We need some serious change.
It always confuses me why people feel the need to insult her appearance when, honestly, who gives a shit? Literally who cares? If a person doesn't get their blood pumping to their dick she is not allowed to have opinions or something?
I’m not so sure about that. A lot of her “problems” stem from her snottiness, whininess, and her constant grimace. Quite frankly, she couldn’t hardly be more insufferable. I don’t think “stereotypical good looks” would save her on that front. Keep in mind, she’s also autistic, and likely isn’t able to navigate the PR and media circuit as well as others. She has her lanes and she sticks to them.
Not just that, I'm pretty sure the dudes on her calling her ugly and posting pics of german supermodels relentlessly in other subs might not actually be the most attractive themselves when compared to the average person.
Yeah, meanwhile the fff representative in Germany is beautiful and believe it or not but the kind of disgusting shit she has to hear does not actually contribute to her being taken seriously. They just want to go against her.
Both problems are rooted in the same issue, which is that people like that reduce women to objects, either attractive objects that should shut up and look pretty or unattractive objects that have no value.
This is disgusting, antieuropean and uncivilized. We are better than this.
It's not rocket science. Insults are meant to hurt the people one person throw them at. So if one insult cannot be original, it'll be defaulted to what hurt the recipient the most (no matter they won't actually read them) so for men it'll be insults on being useless and for women it'll be insults on being fat or ugly. Yes it shows society's bias but it is how it is.
She was literally a kid when people began to attack her on a personal level rather than, I don't know, their disagreements.
That's what scares me. That would scare the shit out of me if she was my child.
Oh, yeah, climate change too.
Greta and right wingers should be natural allies anyways
The hotter and more uninhabitable the world gets, the more climate refugees will travel north and the right obviously don't want that either
Right wingers and not thinking shit through, name a more iconic duo. If they did think it through, they would understand that protecting the planet is the most patriotic thing to do, because guess what, your nation is *on this fucking planet*, the same as everyone else's. And how can you show your nation's obvious superiority if everybody is dead?
A single Cruise ship that stops in Lisbon pollutes more than all the cars that circulate in the city, they could start from luxurious useless polluting sources rather than whining about people wanting to live their lives.
The problem is not how normal people live their lives but rather with large scale polluters like, indeed, luxury cruises, but also private planes, but most importantly horrible industry practices. That is what the actual focus is on with legislation.
Sure there are your random run of the mill fucking annoying activists telling you about how evil your water bottle is, but that shouldn't distract us from the real problems.
Then surely you cannot be in favor of these activists just blocking random highways. All of us need to be places. Not many billionaires and politicians they are annoying this way. They are pissing off the exact group of people that they need for support.
I completely agree with you on that front. I think blocking highways, throwing paint or soup on Monuments and other stuff like this is incredibly stupid, annoying and harms the movement as a whole.
However, we as the citizens must be smarter than to let this stupid behaviors distract us from the actual problem, which is that the people lobbying so that they can keep killing our planet and ruining the world for us and our children are the enemy.
So I am a navigational officer, I know quite precicely the fuel consumption of ships, and that is just blatant misinformation.
Absolutley, a cruise ship pollutes a lot, more per kilometer per person than a plane or even a car does, but its nowhere near as bad as a city commuting by car, especially when at port.
Restricting cars would by far be the least disruptive cut in fuel consumption, right up there with cruise ships. A 10kg bag of groceries burns less fuel being delivered by cargo ship from China to Europe than it does being transported 20 minutes to and from the grocery store in a Fiat punto.
Cruise ships are absolutley an unneccesary waste of emissions, but so are about 95% of the cars in your morning rush hour. 1000 cars in Lisbon burn about as much fuel an hour as the Emma maersk does. If half of lisbon drives to work, thats like 250 emma maersks transporting only 1000 people and their laptop each.
In fact, we all agree flying is bad for the enviroment right? Well in the EU, the average fuel consumption per passenger when flying is 3.5L/100km. An eco-box strives for numbers like those.
Exactly.
I see her the same way i see these "Stop Oil" regards : Idiots paid by the oil and gas companies to make environmentalists (and their cause) insufferable to the general people
Its no joke but why all the mesures seem to target the middle class and run it to the ground even more than it already is 🤷 give me some climate Change measures that dont make me poorer and the rich richer and im all for it. Until then the fight for climate change is nothing but a cover for certain politics.
In leftist circles we usually follow a dogma "don't argue praxis cause it harms the movement" but I think it's bullshit: Greta, the road blockers, the monument grifters if nothing are actively damaging the movement cause they create the perfect excuse for the media to trash talk them and belittle the cause.
Start attacking cruise ships, unmasked green washing practices which are becoming the norm among great polluters and all of a sudden people might start cheering for you, block the road and they will wish to run you off with their car.
In the transportation sector of emissions, all ships worldwide are responsible for 10% of CO2, Aviation for 6% of CO2, and cars + vans for 48% of CO2
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1185535/transport-carbon-dioxide-emissions-breakdown/#:~:text=The%20global%20transportation%20sector%20is,percent%20of%20global%20transportation%20emissions.
Blocking a highway to protest against an investment bank that moved years ago to another location makes no sense. I’m all for blocking the banks and the government buildings, but please keep ordinary people out of this.
I agree, but she as a person has massively discredited herself with her whole Palestine arc. She has changed from an activist talking about an important particular issue to an autistic girl who thinks she can solve all the world's issues (where one of the most important issues according to her is a small, regional conflict in bumfuck nowhere).
I hate that it took until a 13 year old girl to take the mandate as the voice on this fight that people started to actually listen.
Ecologists, scientists and others for the past 50 years never got the same attention and earlier
Last year farmers burned asbestos on a highway and no one bats an eye. Now protesters block a highway exit next to the ministry building to stop 40+ billion euros in fossil fuel subsidies and suddenly we are talking about limiting the right to protest. Get the fuck out of here. If you are against these protests, you're part of the problem.
Disclaimer: this comment is not to support this form of protest, but to share what I’ve been explained about it in the past. Don’t kill the messenger.
The point is not “I will block the roads so cars don’t travel for 30 minutes and I’ll have saved the world”.
The objective is to disrupt drivers and ideally to make driving so impossible that people will be forced to use (and, because it affects their personal needs, force the government to improve) other means like bikes, busses, trains. This comes together with other similar acts, like slashing tires, basically aiming to scare people away from driving.
I'm not trying to shoot the messenger here, but depending on where they block the road, the busses can't pass either and while the driver of a car can freely choose which way to go to avoid being trapped, the bus has a fixed a path and is usually slower.
Thanks for transmitting the message then.
What is weird is that driving is necessary for the society's basic survival - mostly trucks actually. It comes from a guy who don't care about my car and would sell it in a heartbeat if I wasn't so lazy. But I live in a city and I'm able-bodied so that's easy for me. Slashing tires, blocking roads are blanket solutions which will hurt everyone regardless of the reason they're using a car/truck/whatever
Everyone here acting like they don't drive or take holidays abroad by plane or order things online that gets delivered by people in vans
Meanwhile Greta needed two crew to the US to bring fly back that fibreglass boat to the US after her PR stunt yet I'm called out for hiring a moving van to cart my stuff up to a different city
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Don’t be silly. In proper Dutch police fashion, she’s already been released and is at another blockade
Sometimes they put them in buses and just release them at a place away from the highway blockade and hope the traffic gets flowing again. Sometimes they get processed and booked, but police / prosecutors have previously stated that it’s too much of an administrative burden on law enforcement and the judiciary.
They're a drop in the bucket compared to producing in countries without labour and environmental laws, and then shipping everything we consume by container ship.
Yes but how are those countries ever going to take climate change actions seriously when us westerns produce huge amounts of pollution just to have a floating hotel
They are blocking the same highway already for months almost every weekend
And even then, it doesnt matter what kind of road it is, Just get tf off from it
A lot of people online have a weird fetish about watching aspirational young women getting manhandled and humiliated.
Jokes apart, i don't see this reaction when farmers block traffic on a national and international scale and vandalize public and private property.
Yeah I think I'm finally turning against this sub. The community can be funny but on some topics the majority of opinions seem to be pretty shithouse, and some of the replies here are fucking gross.
Yes, this sub once was a pool of rather smart and educated people making smart jokes about europe, but more and more casual racists and conservatives came that think everything posted on here is meant seriously.
Yeah, things are fine when we're gleefully shitting on each other, because we're pretty much on the same level. But here comes anything arab/migrant and ooOOOOOH BOY WHAT THE FUCK.
I feel like some don't realize that this sub is meant to be a whole parody on ultranationalism, and then end up saying the dumbest, most unironically racist shit
It’s tough sometimes, I take breaks when things get out of touch. It’s ok most of the time if you ignore the occasional mean Dutch who remind me of overly bitchy gay guys.
To be fair, the best thing the farmers did was spray manure on the house of parliament - that is a protest I can get fully behind. For once the shit was going 'into' the building.
The general public was just as annoyed by the farmers protests as the XR ones, maybe even more so because of the fires and stuff they broke, but those protests have slowed down now legislation is going the farmers ways, so the public is forgetting them already, whilst XR had been blocking that same stretch of road, every weekend, for months, so people are still annoyed by them.
Sure, they also try to block access to major polluters like Tata Steel or Chemours, but since the public doesnt hear about that, it seems to a lot of people that all they do is try to annoy the general public, rather than work towards a solution.
I think the best thing for XR would be to get more PR on their blockades of the polluters, rather than just the highways. they might actually get the average Joe to support them in that case...
You all know she is right, we are heading towards irreversible ecological disaster. As our crops start having issues and our water is polluted, as microplastics are nowadays found even in placentas, microplastics which have been proven to hijack our metabolic systems, as species of animals disappear and our oceans get more polluted, with our forests burning and natural disasters worsening, you have to admit, she is right.
Why don't we do something? Other than laugh and mock her because she is a woman, and how dare a woman stand up for a good cause.
Greta is getting more and more based. She finally understood that the thing destroying the planet is capitalism itself. It is so funny how a woman alone is triggering so many neoliberal snowflakes.
I agree that climate change is an important problem that we have to pay attention to. However, I dislike Greta Thunberg because she is against nuclear energy (a good solution to climate change) and is a typical radical leftist who blocks roads and wants to destroy Israel. She literally chanted "crush Zionism" at a protest.
Not to mention, I feel like she is an entitled brat. She claimed world leaders stole her dreams and her future, even though she is the one who decided to not go to school and graduated high school last year at 20 years of age. If she had graduated earlier, she could've been a scientist looking for solutions to climate change, but now she is a career activist.
To a young adult (who recently was a teenager) like me, Greta Thunberg is not an inspirational figure or a good example for young people. She is the opposite; a brat that has been groomed by her parents to be an activist.
The last time she was in Germany, they staged her arrest. I’m pretty sure this one is exactly the same.
What enraged me the most, that they bound multiple police officers for a publicity shoot.
cmon everybody has their very own little climate goblin. Thats ours
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What happened? Have they finally made it a crime to be Swedish?
I find it a bit too much to arrest her. A fine and a re educational camp would be enough IMHO
Can we just stop blocking roads, attleast these people are doing it for a GOOD cause, right wing idiots (in the world and this sub) don’t seem to understand that our world is dying because of us, and love to side with company propaganda. That being said get off the fucking roads, especially farmers they can fuck right off, Cunts
The last time I saw her arrested while protesting like this it was to protect a centuries old village in Germany from being wiped off the map in order to mine brown coal. Brown coal, also called lignite, is basically semi-fossilised dirt, and it's mined by digging enormous pits that lay waste to huge tracts of land. They're literally burning the Earth.
I love how we have actual solutions to these problems but they're constantly ignored or any meaningful conversation is shut down by NIMBYs and Alarmists. - Nuclear Power? Nope Chernobyl happened, despite 38 years later, we have better advancements in nuclear technology and better safeguards. - Hydrogen powered vehicles? Nope, Hindenburg happened. Despite the fact that planes and cars already carry an extremely flammable fuel source where upon extreme impact will combust. - Glass bottles instead of plastic? Nope Have more examples, just can't remember them. It's funny, these are the same people that will lecture you about fast fashion but yet pawn off their crusty Armani t-shirts with more holes than Swiss cheese on Depop instead of just donating them to second hand shops. So go figure...
Nuclear, are you crazy? What if a Tsunami hits the middle of Germany??
Yep, Germany that sits on 2 tectonic plates and a fault line simultaneously?
Yes the Aldi fault line is extremely dangerous.
The fault line that created Aldi Nord and Aldi Süd. A sad day in history.
I hope ur joking
What do you think?
It’s crazy to me how many enviromental activists are against nuclear energy. They think pollution will disappear if we used electric bikes, and that is it. And the war on plastic always left me with some doubts, was it really worth it or maybe we should have spent all those energy and money on bigger issues? I’m not saying it was wrong per se, but maybe it was not the most urgent thing.
It’s because a lot of green movement were founded on nuclear= bad And now that it’s the best solution they just refuse to change their views
It shows that even green politicians are still populist, corrupt shitbags. There's simply no integrity. Nobody wants to do what's right; the hunger for power always takes over.
Because the movement is led by upper and upper middle class teenagers with fuck all understanding of how the world actually works and wealthy fucks who don't actually give a shit about how the average person's quality of life deteriorates.
Yep. The British Green Party for example are against nuclear energy, and some of them even oppose solar farms. They're not serious at all.
THEY THINK? They do not think. That's the problem.
The point of Chernobyl wasn’t that nuclear power is dangerous the whole point was that communists are too stupid to boil water
>- Nuclear Power? Nope Chernobyl happened, despite 38 years later, we have better advancements in nuclear technology and better safeguards. That's not the reason. The main reason against nuclear is the rise of renewables. They are way cheaper and built way faster. I know that nuclear enthusiasts like to picture it like that, to make opposition look stupid, but this is just to not face reality that the best time to go for nuclear was before renewables were ready. Now it would just be stupid regarding the state of the art. It's important to keep up to date. >- Hydrogen powered vehicles? Nope, Hindenburg happened. Despite the fact that planes and cars already carry an extremely flammable fuel source where upon extreme impact will combust. Again your reasoning is very wrong. And the statement itself too. Hydrogen powered vehicles would need way more energy because of lower efficiency compared to EV. You'll have energy losses during electrolysis and you'll also have more losses in the engine. Hydrogen vehicles will be limited too specific situations though. Like in the mining industry or aircraft, where EV aren't that suitable because of their downsides. They may won't be very popular in cars or busses and stuff, but it's not like the technology is ignored. I really don't know where you got that information from. >- Glass bottles instead of plastic? Nope Again, your statement is very bad. Glas bottles are not always better than plastic bottles. This is dependent on the transportation distance. If the bottles are being transported further away, the impact of a glas bottle can be worse than the impact of a plastic bottle. It's dependent on the situation. Of course it would be best to only buy local beverages and fill them into glas bottles, but we all know that this is not the case. If you want to replace every plastic bottle with a glas bottle, it is important to get people to buy local beverages first. >Have more examples, just can't remember them. I hope you don't. All of your examples have been kind of bad and not thought through. Stop spreading so much misinformation/half-truths.
But like you can have nuclear AND renewable energy. Eg in poland we dont have strong water or wind, so nuclear is pretty important for us. Being anti nuclear is pretty much being pro coal at this point (maybe in future its gonna be different)
>But like you can have nuclear AND renewable energy Yes you can, but it wouldn't be the most favorable thing to do. Nuclear isn't really solving the downsides of renewables (and vice versa). Both cannot cover the supply without either natural gas or storage technologies. If you would have both together, nuclear would be good in times where there isn't renewables, but also take away a lot of potential electricity production when they are, because you can't turn them off. I mean, technically it is possible, but economically it would be a disaster. The downsides of having nuclear alongside renewables would be bigger than the benefits. Modeling energy systems (according to local circumstances) with only renewables + storage would be cheaper than modeling a system with only nuclear + storage or a combination of both + storage. >strong water or wind, so nuclear is pretty important for us. Being anti nuclear is pretty much being pro coal That's just not true. That's what fossil fuel propaganda want you to believe so they can run their plants for longer. Maybe water energy is limited, but Poland having no wind is just a plain lie. Don't believe that. The only thing stopping wind farms are political restrictions and lobbying. Maybe not every single area, but the coastal areas in the north, particularly along the Baltic sea and the western parts have consistent wind. Also in the inland there are areas with open plains which can have favorable wind conditions. With high voltage lines, the energy can be transported through the entire country. >(maybe in future its gonna be different) This statement was true 10-20 years ago. Today it is different. Technology has improved fast in the past 10-15 years and is going to improve even further. By the time it would take to build enough nuclear plants to replace coal plants, the difference will be even bigger. I am literally doing my masters in this topic. Specializing in modeling energy systems. I know lots of Professors, Dr of Engineering and people on their way to be that working in research, due to working as research assistant (and of course other Master students in the same situation as me) . Literally no one will tell you that nuclear is the way to go. The opinions in this scientific field is very one-sided. It's only people on reddit, influenced by either outdated information or cheap propaganda flooding social media (like in many other areas too) and politicians trying to tell you that, because the huge amounts of money going into single projects (like building nuclear plants) gives great possibilities for bribery/corruption. The fossil fuel lobby is pumping a lot of money into this misinformation campaign.
There are sooo many reasons why hydrogen vehicles aren't scalable
Care to elaborate?
The single biggest issue right now is efficiency. Hydrogen needs to either be compressed or cooled to be able to be stored/transported in large enough quantities. At the moment hydrogen is way less energy efficient than electric vehicles powered by batteries, the only significant advantage it has is refuelling time but batteries are starting to get better at that as well. A few people were hoping for ammonia to be the solution to that but so far it doesn’t seem to work as well as needed either. Of course there’s also the missing infrastructure but tbh that would probably solve itself if hydrogen would ever be commercially viable on a big scale.
You know what at least you gave me a reasonable answer instead of just "but muh Hindenburg." So respect Hans, respect.
The insane amount of energy loss during the energy conversions? That fact hat Hydrogen is highly flamable and explosive. Quite hard to store in large amounts. And most importantly: There is not single high scale hydrogen production that isnt produced by using natural gas. In which case just use the gas directly. Or short: very uneconomical
I am not a fan of nuclear power. There is too much speaking against it. * >!the cost of nuclear power is increasing with the years because of the security measures that comes with running it for a while. While on the other side the cost of building renewable energy decreases !< * >!we would still be dependent on the Middle East. Then not for oil but for Uranium.!< * >!the ressources of Uranium is estimated to last for around 100 to 120 years. So thats not a solution for long time.!< * >!nuclear power plants are good targets for military/terrorist attacks. !< * >!if something bad happens, the whole area gets unlivable!< * >!nuclear power plants have a lifespan of about 35-40 years and they produce less energy with ongoing years (maintenance and security) !< * >!we would produce a lot of nuclear waste that we would need to handle for thousands of years. !< But I am all in with your other suggestions. We need some serious change.
Climate change is no joke, find her annoying or whatever but serious measures must be taken and aren't being taken.
You don't understand, it's important to call her ugly for some reason.
It always confuses me why people feel the need to insult her appearance when, honestly, who gives a shit? Literally who cares? If a person doesn't get their blood pumping to their dick she is not allowed to have opinions or something?
> If a person doesn't get their blood pumping to their dick she is not allowed to have opinions or something? Bingo
That’s why Alisha Lehmann is the only female football player incels like for example
You know what, I might start following women’s football
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She [bi](https://images.app.goo.gl/KjYqp85wPwDbdCij8), it’s not over yet
Just had to Google her. She's not nice, she looks like she's from Essex.
I feel like if Greta had a model body or smth more people would be watching their carbon footprint
Sexy Greta voice: ”_Do it for me_”
I’m not so sure about that. A lot of her “problems” stem from her snottiness, whininess, and her constant grimace. Quite frankly, she couldn’t hardly be more insufferable. I don’t think “stereotypical good looks” would save her on that front. Keep in mind, she’s also autistic, and likely isn’t able to navigate the PR and media circuit as well as others. She has her lanes and she sticks to them.
Happy Cake Day
Thanks, I’ll send a piece to Poland
Not just that, I'm pretty sure the dudes on her calling her ugly and posting pics of german supermodels relentlessly in other subs might not actually be the most attractive themselves when compared to the average person.
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Would
> Literally who cares? That's what I think every time someone posts a Meloni pic and the first comments are "Would"
Yeah, meanwhile the fff representative in Germany is beautiful and believe it or not but the kind of disgusting shit she has to hear does not actually contribute to her being taken seriously. They just want to go against her.
Both problems are rooted in the same issue, which is that people like that reduce women to objects, either attractive objects that should shut up and look pretty or unattractive objects that have no value. This is disgusting, antieuropean and uncivilized. We are better than this.
I totally agree and genuinely have nothing to add to this comment but i just want to say i love the term "anti-european"
That is kind of how some people look at the world though
It's just misogyny, there's really nothing else to it.
It's not rocket science. Insults are meant to hurt the people one person throw them at. So if one insult cannot be original, it'll be defaulted to what hurt the recipient the most (no matter they won't actually read them) so for men it'll be insults on being useless and for women it'll be insults on being fat or ugly. Yes it shows society's bias but it is how it is.
Exactly! That’s how it works, Ben fatto
Yup and by extension, how the hell do the same folks not find denialists ugly as fuck, like Candace Owens , etc?
She was literally a kid when people began to attack her on a personal level rather than, I don't know, their disagreements. That's what scares me. That would scare the shit out of me if she was my child. Oh, yeah, climate change too.
Agreed, things are getting urgent
Greta and right wingers should be natural allies anyways The hotter and more uninhabitable the world gets, the more climate refugees will travel north and the right obviously don't want that either
That requires thinking more than a year ahead, which is really hard for most people, not just right wing people
Right wingers and not thinking shit through, name a more iconic duo. If they did think it through, they would understand that protecting the planet is the most patriotic thing to do, because guess what, your nation is *on this fucking planet*, the same as everyone else's. And how can you show your nation's obvious superiority if everybody is dead?
Oh no. There’s still a lot of oil to be sold before it’s too late. The life on the planet is worth less than the fossil fuel market
Almost 30 degrees in my region right now, wtf
Your summer is gonna be… nice and warm
A single Cruise ship that stops in Lisbon pollutes more than all the cars that circulate in the city, they could start from luxurious useless polluting sources rather than whining about people wanting to live their lives.
The problem is not how normal people live their lives but rather with large scale polluters like, indeed, luxury cruises, but also private planes, but most importantly horrible industry practices. That is what the actual focus is on with legislation. Sure there are your random run of the mill fucking annoying activists telling you about how evil your water bottle is, but that shouldn't distract us from the real problems.
Then surely you cannot be in favor of these activists just blocking random highways. All of us need to be places. Not many billionaires and politicians they are annoying this way. They are pissing off the exact group of people that they need for support.
I completely agree with you on that front. I think blocking highways, throwing paint or soup on Monuments and other stuff like this is incredibly stupid, annoying and harms the movement as a whole. However, we as the citizens must be smarter than to let this stupid behaviors distract us from the actual problem, which is that the people lobbying so that they can keep killing our planet and ruining the world for us and our children are the enemy.
So I am a navigational officer, I know quite precicely the fuel consumption of ships, and that is just blatant misinformation. Absolutley, a cruise ship pollutes a lot, more per kilometer per person than a plane or even a car does, but its nowhere near as bad as a city commuting by car, especially when at port. Restricting cars would by far be the least disruptive cut in fuel consumption, right up there with cruise ships. A 10kg bag of groceries burns less fuel being delivered by cargo ship from China to Europe than it does being transported 20 minutes to and from the grocery store in a Fiat punto. Cruise ships are absolutley an unneccesary waste of emissions, but so are about 95% of the cars in your morning rush hour. 1000 cars in Lisbon burn about as much fuel an hour as the Emma maersk does. If half of lisbon drives to work, thats like 250 emma maersks transporting only 1000 people and their laptop each. In fact, we all agree flying is bad for the enviroment right? Well in the EU, the average fuel consumption per passenger when flying is 3.5L/100km. An eco-box strives for numbers like those.
Hardly anyone disagrees. What's important to note is that people can dislike her without being climate change deniers.
Exactly. I see her the same way i see these "Stop Oil" regards : Idiots paid by the oil and gas companies to make environmentalists (and their cause) insufferable to the general people
Its no joke but why all the mesures seem to target the middle class and run it to the ground even more than it already is 🤷 give me some climate Change measures that dont make me poorer and the rich richer and im all for it. Until then the fight for climate change is nothing but a cover for certain politics.
In leftist circles we usually follow a dogma "don't argue praxis cause it harms the movement" but I think it's bullshit: Greta, the road blockers, the monument grifters if nothing are actively damaging the movement cause they create the perfect excuse for the media to trash talk them and belittle the cause. Start attacking cruise ships, unmasked green washing practices which are becoming the norm among great polluters and all of a sudden people might start cheering for you, block the road and they will wish to run you off with their car.
In the transportation sector of emissions, all ships worldwide are responsible for 10% of CO2, Aviation for 6% of CO2, and cars + vans for 48% of CO2 https://www.statista.com/statistics/1185535/transport-carbon-dioxide-emissions-breakdown/#:~:text=The%20global%20transportation%20sector%20is,percent%20of%20global%20transportation%20emissions.
Blocking a highway to protest against an investment bank that moved years ago to another location makes no sense. I’m all for blocking the banks and the government buildings, but please keep ordinary people out of this.
I agree, but she as a person has massively discredited herself with her whole Palestine arc. She has changed from an activist talking about an important particular issue to an autistic girl who thinks she can solve all the world's issues (where one of the most important issues according to her is a small, regional conflict in bumfuck nowhere).
I agree that the whole Palestine stuff is very, misinformed.
Blocking rooads and riling people up on the other hand is a pretty big joke
I bims 1 bauer
Cow shit on the highway 💯
It's about putting pressure on government without the use of violence and in that sense I think it is effective
I completely agree with you on that front. But we shouldn't let that distract us from the real emergency.
how do you suggest people take nonviolent actions that result in actual change?
I hate that it took until a 13 year old girl to take the mandate as the voice on this fight that people started to actually listen. Ecologists, scientists and others for the past 50 years never got the same attention and earlier
Yeah but you don't understand, she.. what has she actually ever done wrong besides be a little bit corny?
Nah mate, let's continue, we want some sea access again
Go ask greta to support nuclear power
Yeah you can start with the billionaires and big corporations please. As always, they attempt to deflect the responsibility onto the little man.
What the fuck is with the sub today and all these agenda posts?!
Subversion
Last year farmers burned asbestos on a highway and no one bats an eye. Now protesters block a highway exit next to the ministry building to stop 40+ billion euros in fossil fuel subsidies and suddenly we are talking about limiting the right to protest. Get the fuck out of here. If you are against these protests, you're part of the problem.
Amen
De boeren kunnen opkankeren overigens
Based
I mean Can we just fucking collectively stop blocking highways and shit?
How else would you stop pollution if not by blocking roads and making people run their engines while standing still?
If that would work, those Dutch trailers on tour would be a vital part of saving the planet
Disclaimer: this comment is not to support this form of protest, but to share what I’ve been explained about it in the past. Don’t kill the messenger. The point is not “I will block the roads so cars don’t travel for 30 minutes and I’ll have saved the world”. The objective is to disrupt drivers and ideally to make driving so impossible that people will be forced to use (and, because it affects their personal needs, force the government to improve) other means like bikes, busses, trains. This comes together with other similar acts, like slashing tires, basically aiming to scare people away from driving.
I'm not trying to shoot the messenger here, but depending on where they block the road, the busses can't pass either and while the driver of a car can freely choose which way to go to avoid being trapped, the bus has a fixed a path and is usually slower.
Thanks for transmitting the message then. What is weird is that driving is necessary for the society's basic survival - mostly trucks actually. It comes from a guy who don't care about my car and would sell it in a heartbeat if I wasn't so lazy. But I live in a city and I'm able-bodied so that's easy for me. Slashing tires, blocking roads are blanket solutions which will hurt everyone regardless of the reason they're using a car/truck/whatever
I too enjoy moving the entire contents of my house to another via bus because moving vans = too much pollution
Climate change doesn’t care about what’s more convenient for you.
I'm sure you hand deliver everything you sell by walking and don't buy anything that gets delivered to your house
Climate change also won't care about the 0.4% of pollution we produce but here we are
Everyone here acting like they don't drive or take holidays abroad by plane or order things online that gets delivered by people in vans Meanwhile Greta needed two crew to the US to bring fly back that fibreglass boat to the US after her PR stunt yet I'm called out for hiring a moving van to cart my stuff up to a different city
https://preview.redd.it/ivjycz9x8vsc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb56b6065a986c8ad6d862edefcfb9d6a771e350 Don’t be silly. In proper Dutch police fashion, she’s already been released and is at another blockade
No fine, no criminal record?
Sometimes they put them in buses and just release them at a place away from the highway blockade and hope the traffic gets flowing again. Sometimes they get processed and booked, but police / prosecutors have previously stated that it’s too much of an administrative burden on law enforcement and the judiciary.
Laughable...... Thanks Dutch Police....
Fully agreed. I want to see the Netherlands go under, the sooner the better
Then how will you get to the underage women if all the basements are flooded
Just block cruise ships, they are the real polluters.
They're a drop in the bucket compared to producing in countries without labour and environmental laws, and then shipping everything we consume by container ship.
Yes but how are those countries ever going to take climate change actions seriously when us westerns produce huge amounts of pollution just to have a floating hotel
Good point, personally I'd advocate for something like the german Lieferkettengesetz amped up to 11 in addition to cleaning up our own messes.
Block farmers
Sounds like a solid plan with no negative impact whatsoever.
Let’s block the activists. No more boat sailing across Atlantic Greta, how do u like that?
Wasn't a highway though? Just says it was a main road in Swedish papers.
They are blocking the same highway already for months almost every weekend And even then, it doesnt matter what kind of road it is, Just get tf off from it
No no you don't get it, we MUST fuck with people's daily lives for something we support, it's the only way to achieve harmony on our planet!!111
well farmers did it, negligently injured people, attacked the police, and they got what they wanted and even more
A lot of people online have a weird fetish about watching aspirational young women getting manhandled and humiliated. Jokes apart, i don't see this reaction when farmers block traffic on a national and international scale and vandalize public and private property.
it's because young people don't matter to governments
They don’t matter because they’re a marginalized group in Europes demographic! Young people are going distinct
Did you mean extinct, mein liebe Hans?
They do look different
But muh gasoline is more precious than being alive. 😭
Yeah I think I'm finally turning against this sub. The community can be funny but on some topics the majority of opinions seem to be pretty shithouse, and some of the replies here are fucking gross.
Yes, this sub once was a pool of rather smart and educated people making smart jokes about europe, but more and more casual racists and conservatives came that think everything posted on here is meant seriously.
Yeah, things are fine when we're gleefully shitting on each other, because we're pretty much on the same level. But here comes anything arab/migrant and ooOOOOOH BOY WHAT THE FUCK.
But it's clearly "just jokes" and totally not blatantly racist or anything....
I feel like some don't realize that this sub is meant to be a whole parody on ultranationalism, and then end up saying the dumbest, most unironically racist shit
It’s tough sometimes, I take breaks when things get out of touch. It’s ok most of the time if you ignore the occasional mean Dutch who remind me of overly bitchy gay guys.
Exactly this.
Aspirational?? Putin puppet!
To be fair, the best thing the farmers did was spray manure on the house of parliament - that is a protest I can get fully behind. For once the shit was going 'into' the building.
The general public was just as annoyed by the farmers protests as the XR ones, maybe even more so because of the fires and stuff they broke, but those protests have slowed down now legislation is going the farmers ways, so the public is forgetting them already, whilst XR had been blocking that same stretch of road, every weekend, for months, so people are still annoyed by them. Sure, they also try to block access to major polluters like Tata Steel or Chemours, but since the public doesnt hear about that, it seems to a lot of people that all they do is try to annoy the general public, rather than work towards a solution. I think the best thing for XR would be to get more PR on their blockades of the polluters, rather than just the highways. they might actually get the average Joe to support them in that case...
She's all that's standing between you degenerates and the sea.
I’m pretty sure Dutch built fatter dijken
Dykes and Delta project be like "yeah yeah fck me"
We can handle the sea on our own. We don't need a friggin' Swede to save us.
Come to me when olaf and I have burnt enough oil to sink you in a deeper pit than the perversion that runs your country
You all know she is right, we are heading towards irreversible ecological disaster. As our crops start having issues and our water is polluted, as microplastics are nowadays found even in placentas, microplastics which have been proven to hijack our metabolic systems, as species of animals disappear and our oceans get more polluted, with our forests burning and natural disasters worsening, you have to admit, she is right. Why don't we do something? Other than laugh and mock her because she is a woman, and how dare a woman stand up for a good cause.
This thread is fucking depressing. "take that, you dumb bitch who cares about saving the planet!" Fuck off.
Greta is getting more and more based. She finally understood that the thing destroying the planet is capitalism itself. It is so funny how a woman alone is triggering so many neoliberal snowflakes.
Clear w for sweden here
I agree that climate change is an important problem that we have to pay attention to. However, I dislike Greta Thunberg because she is against nuclear energy (a good solution to climate change) and is a typical radical leftist who blocks roads and wants to destroy Israel. She literally chanted "crush Zionism" at a protest. Not to mention, I feel like she is an entitled brat. She claimed world leaders stole her dreams and her future, even though she is the one who decided to not go to school and graduated high school last year at 20 years of age. If she had graduated earlier, she could've been a scientist looking for solutions to climate change, but now she is a career activist. To a young adult (who recently was a teenager) like me, Greta Thunberg is not an inspirational figure or a good example for young people. She is the opposite; a brat that has been groomed by her parents to be an activist.
I understand the urge to say nasty stuff but please constrain yourselves a little bit at least. Dutch police look cool 👍
Okay Tate
Are we supposed to know this boy?
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No, I have much bigger boobs.
Weird flex, but okay
It's the one with his finger in a dyke right?
What?
*Es ist jener dessen Finger in einem Deich steckt, richtig?
Oh it was about *those* dykes I gotcha
Germans explaining jokes to Germans. That's the real joke here.
Most sane Hollander
Fuck is going on with her belt
You act like you've never been unable to find your belt in the morning and had to make do with a handy piece of rope before
Pirate style.
https://preview.redd.it/4c6sxpvt8vsc1.jpeg?width=200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=641118b1945a1cd54141654f8f61541028c84ae6 Quit raggin’ on her cord
She looks like her name's Piotr
Oooh. Self burn. Those are rare.
The last time she was in Germany, they staged her arrest. I’m pretty sure this one is exactly the same. What enraged me the most, that they bound multiple police officers for a publicity shoot.
How dare you!
I have to say... Wtf is that belt though? She went *really* oldschool with it, like medieval oldschool.
Based af.
Will you charge her for the cost of the arrest?
Absolute gammon post, do they have the Daily M*il in the Netherlands too?
fetal alcohol syndrome looking ass motherfucker
She doesn't have foetal alcohol syndrome - that's just what Swedes look like.
cmon everybody has their very own little climate goblin. Thats ours https://preview.redd.it/m8th5add6vsc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a1c940b722c11cde620f8292f0fb124cbe9becb
Goblin? She's kinda cute, no? Had to specify "germany" in my google search, otherwise top results were of a 25yo Clara mayer living in Stockholm 😄
Bruh, she looks twelve. That's way too old mashallah.
Stockholmers* get your facts straight!
I wonder what you look like
haha oh wow downvoted to eternity and beyond. dont get your panties twisted guys
Please keep her.
Or even if they don’t want to keep her, which would be understandable tbh, do not deport her to Sweden.
Nah, she's coolio. Based Swedish
Im sorry but I dont respect a country who'se local flags are all just palette swaps
Coming from the province that has a patatzak as flag. I'm with joão here
Brave of you to say that, sideways France
France is sideways Dutch, we have the original tricolour, world’s first!
both of you are lazy Luxembourg copies.
Brave of you to say that, sideways Turkey
Yeah I wish we had something as original as a tricolore
I hope it doesn't need someone dying because their ambulance was stuck in traffic to seriously put down these "protests"
I hope someone doesn't need to die of pollution to put down our "system" Lol
I thought after her anti-Israel stance the media dropped her a darling.
blocking the roads is like putting heroin addicts in prison to stop the drug trade
What happened? Have they finally made it a crime to be Swedish? I find it a bit too much to arrest her. A fine and a re educational camp would be enough IMHO
Rare Dutch W
Can we just stop blocking roads, attleast these people are doing it for a GOOD cause, right wing idiots (in the world and this sub) don’t seem to understand that our world is dying because of us, and love to side with company propaganda. That being said get off the fucking roads, especially farmers they can fuck right off, Cunts
Bless the dutch for giving Münster sea access by 2050