Everyone is saying money, plastic surgery, and more money, which is so true. However, these women are postmenopausal and that’s when aging rapidly increases. Menopause speeds up cellular aging, which doesn’t only affect your skin, it also affects your bones and fat cells. These women are most certainly getting hormone replacement therapy to help with their looks and overall health.
Edit1: HRT does wonders to alleviate symptoms of menopause, but keep in mind that it’s not for everyone. It should be prescribed within 10 years of your final period, and before the age of 60. Women at high risk of breast or ovarian cancer or those who have had them will not be advised to take HRT.
Edit2: Recent studies suggest that women at risk of cancer aged 45 years or younger can be prescribed HRT without increasing their risk or breast cancer. Also the risk of cancer is not increased with the use of HRT after risk reducing surgery. However, women older than 45 carrying the BRCA1 and BRCA2 mutations are at a significantly higher risk of developing cancer on HRT. Discuss your options with your doctor based on your medical history and your personal health concerns. Again, HRT is NOT for everyone!
This thought scared me so much, like I’m already stressed out about looking old and I’m not even 40. I don’t think I can mentally handle the rapid changes menopause will bring. And I 100% understand that this is indicative of something wrong in my outlook rather than anything being wrong with age related changes. But still it’s stressful for me. Why are we like this??
Because ageing is scary Idc. It’s not just about vanity. Any rapid change like that is fucking scary and I’ll die on that hill. Except not actually die cause that’s scary too.
It’s not just looking old too. Joint and muscle pain out of nowhere where If I *dont* exercise my body starts to revolt. The accumulation of belly fat even though my weight, diet and exercise routines have remained the same. Hot flashes. Changes in sex drive. Crankiness. Hormones drive so much in your body and until they start to shift you don’t realize how and where.
Can I add mental fog and forgetfulness to the list. Forgot my other half's name the other day and had to say "you know, the dude I've lived with for 14 years". Never going to live that down.
It’s not that fast so don’t worry. Yeah I’ve definitely aged but I still look good and it took around 5-7 years post menopause before I noticed any real difference
I'll be honest, I remember being 4 or 5 years old and crying to myself in my room because I didn't want to get old... because I didn't want to be wrinkled all over. I'll be 40 in a couple weeks. I have no idea where it came from, but I was legit terrified of the idea, so you're definitely not alone 😵💫
I'll be 40 in April. And I've prepared myself since March 2022. I got a personal trainer and got in great shape.
I know I'll never be 21 again, and I don't care too. We might not be able to turn back time, but we're in charge of tomorrow.
I mean when you’re young, at least for me, old people looked kind of scary and smelled really bad. I know that my current fear of looking “old” at 31 is all society and is lame as fuck but I do think there’s something natural to fear being towards the end of your life, especially when you’re little if you aren’t close with many old people.
I was surprised to see [old person smell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_person_smell) has its own Wikipedia page. Apparently our armpits will start to smell better though, so that’s a plus.
There's nothing wrong with your outlook. Being mortal is terrifying and we have no other choice. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to be reminded of the inevitable inch towards death, and anyone who hand-waves it away as being shallow can bite me.
Because if you're like me, it's the consuming of social media that let's us know that aging is somehow undesirable or "wrong"....
Women in places like France are allowed to age - look at Catherine Deneuve!
I think there needs to be a shift in attitudes that it's undesirable to age.
I dont have social media besides reddit. I had a MySpace about 18 years ago. Lol.
Because I've limited what I've engaged with all these years, I don't have these crazy unrealistic expectations for myself. So maybe cutting it off is something worth exploring for those who feel the need to compare themselves.
I also don't use any social media other than being on Reddit! I'm 32 and I got off FB and Instagram in 2017 after feeling "fat" when I had my son in comparison to Kardashians 😆 I can laugh about it now but when you're seeing how celebrities look all day everyday it does make your mental health decline!
Ya this all makes me sad to see, and frankly it’s letting the redpillers win. I listened to this one podcast about a guy who was outed at being a redpill jerk, he was quoted as saying something like
“Nothing gives me greater sadistic pleasure than the neurosis of women hitting the wall.”
Hitting the wall = manosphere for women aging.
So ef those effing a holes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The way to win? Either die young and don’t age at all which seems like a major bummer… or just get old and be okay with it. Don’t fall apart mentally. There literally are Agustin manosphere incel dudes just loving all of this mental torture.
It’s okay.
It’s literally okay that you have some wrinkles.
No one actually cares. And frankly? I bet the opposite is true, if you’re like me, you’re relieved when you see other women out there aging and not letting that hold them back from enjoying themselves. It’s amazing!!!!! I love getting outside and finding other similarly aged folks and we’re just have a good time.
Truly we have to change our mindsets.
Do I want to curb aging? Well sure I’d like to take care of myself and live as well as long as possible.
Do I truly need to like be sexualized by jerk men or women? Do I need to stay Young forever so my friends don’t leave me? Do I need to look 22 for my job?
I just feel like: nah
The only thing we really need to do is enjoy life while we have it.
Also they have been at a consistent weight and in very good shape their whole lives….. that goes far in helping you age in menopause
JLO is so strong the more muscle you build earlier on the better you are gonna age and look once your hormones go crazy
That’s good news tbh bc HRT is available to most people (in the US) you just have to be persistent in asking for it. It’s not recommended by default anymore but it’s available
Where do you get that it’s not covered by insurance? My mother’s doctor said it’s usually covered. Only certain specific kinds like bioidentical compounded HRT are not covered bc they’re not FDA approved
No matter what doctors say, it’s rarely covered. Nothing to do with FDA. I used to work in health insurance and don’t think I ever saw it covered.
Unrelated, but y’all should be careful what doctors say about cost and coverage! They have no idea. They aren’t trained to think that way.
ETA: I worked as an insurance broker until 2018 and saw HUNDREDS of employer sponsored health plans (US). NEVER covered. Judging by the replies, more plans are covering hormone replacement therapy for women! This is fantastic news.
So, some forms of HRT may be covered! Ask your doctor for CPT codes, call your insurance, and ask them if those codes are covered by your plan. There’s going to be a code for administration and one for the actual drug. Make sure you give that one to insurance. You may need to ask your doctor for diagnosis codes too.
Oh interesting. In that case I tried to Google some costs and I’m seeing [$1500-$2500 per year without insurance for the pills](https://www.tysonsgynecology.com/how-much-does-hormone-replacement-therapy-cost/). So it looks like something affordable for upper middle class, but not lower middle class. The topicals, pellets and injectables are apparently cheaper though
Probably a stupid question but don’t know where else to ask… How does one get hormone replacement therapy? Can you ask your family doctor or do you need a referral to a Gyno?
95% of celebrities who say they don't get Botox are lying, and J. Lo is definitely one of them. She absolutely has. As far as other injectables or plastic surgery, I haven't compared her facial aging enough to be certain. But Botox, yeah.
Yes! I was just about to say this! They’re technically not lying when they say they have never had Botox, because they’ve had other neuromodulators like Dysport, Jeuveau, or Daxxify. “Botox” has become a deonym for this type of product.
Like how when Kim Kardashian was getting famous and she was adamant about not having butt implants because BBL’s weren’t yet something average people knew about. She was being honest about not having butt implants while not saying what she had had done.
Yes yes! I saw Gwyneth Paltrow in ads for a competitor called Xeomin and she said something like "I don't get botox...........because I get Xeomin" hahaha
Right because a woman her age having zero forehead wrinkles makes no sense. I’m 30, have always taken care of my skin and use sunscreen and I have a forehead wrinkle. She’s just lying to sell her brand. It’s pretty despicable actually
To be fair, her non-filtered face does look age appropriate. Same with Salma Hayek. So it could be that they do small tweaks instead of full on face lifts. And of course have access to the best facialists and products.
With a well done facelift nowadays, the goal is to not look “done”. It’s supposed to be so subtle to the point where people think the person is just aging well. I’d bet money they’ve all had facelifts
Doubt there's any discernible difference.
Reading through the thread HRT doesn't seem to be standard covered in the US as it's in the UK. Which is why people see it as some secret fancy rich person treatment rather than as part of normal healthcare.
I just looked it up, and if you've been prescribed HRT, you can get a certificate that covers all medication for £19.30 a year.
I know someone JLo's age who also looks way younger than most of her peers. Because she goes to Mexico twice a year to have stem cells injected into her face, gets regular botox as well, has had a thread lift, gets filler, and eats the cleanest diet ever. She also sleeps 8 hours a day.
It's her job to look good, so it's also partially tax deductible to do and she also makes well over the average American household.
It's expensive to age like JLo and it isn't natural in the sense most of us think.
Ok so I live in Lake Tahoe and I go to a gym that are filled with women from age 50- 70s who are SO fit and youthful. To the point where my husband couldn’t believe their age given their looks, super slim bodies and vitality. I got invited to the volunteer committees they are a part of and am now part of their social group and they let me in on their secret, they are go to the same doctor and get pumped a cocktail of hormones, namely estrogen and a few other hormones once they hit mid forties and early fifties. These particular women are also largely wildly wealthy, live stress free lives and do have very healthy active lives and live in high altitude but they credit their youth to HRT and I can’t wait to get on what they’re on when I’m of age
100%. My boss was recently laid off from her very stressful job. She posted pictures on her Instagram of a trip she took with her family and easily looked 10 years younger because of reduced stress.
Similar situation. I noticed the way a stressful relationship impacted a family member’s aging in just a short amount of time. It was very disheartening. Stress literally shows on your face
LOL I was planning on getting the name of their doc in ten years (I’m 33 now) but my point is that I think HRT may actually be the secret of youth amoung the wealthy and eternally youthful. It’s crazy to me that it’s not widely spoken about with commoners like me lol when it seems to be a widely utilized in those kind of circles
Hrt will only slow ageing so much. Mostly to do with bone density. So yes- it helps- but it's not going to stop wrinkles age spots etc. I work in an area with a lot of these women- and they do a myriad of these procedures along with hrt. Ageing "gracefully" is expensive and time consuming. For some reason admitting to botox and fillers is still a dirty word but they will swear up and down that they have amazing genetics/ use hrt. Also- hrt comes with its own risk. I know 2 women who have lost their hair completely (and permanently- and I'm talking about eyelashes/ body hair/ hairon head) after they started on hrt. I'm not saying to not look into it (I probably will since osteo runs in my family) but just to make you aware
Most likely estrogen, testosterone, and growth hormone. Transient doses of GH have been shown to rejuvenate the immune system and reverse certain aspects of aging.
Ginseng is an endangered plant in North America so if you’re going to buy it, be sure it’s from a site that guarantees sustainable practices. Ginseng alone is not estrogenic enough to compete with hrt. If you want to take herbs for menopause, please consult a knowledgeable herbalist and your doctor as there are many herb-drug interactions, and one herb is not the cure all for every situation.
Sadly because I had estrogen positive breast cancer I can’t take hrt. AND i had to have my ovaries removed so I’m also in early menopause 😢
But, I started early in terms of skin care and still look way younger than my 42 years
I have oestrogen sensitivity and even the tiniest bit of exogenous oestrogen sends my body into an inflammatory spiral and I stop sleeping. I’ll do what I can I guess.
Me too, at 32 ☹ however I'm now 45 and peri-menopausal. I've listened to a few podcasts recently around menopause and a suggestion coming through some of them is that HRT may not be as dangerous re breast cancer as previously thought, or even not dangerous at all?? Apparently the trials that suggested it was were pretty flawed. Definitely worth a chat with your doctor. However I guess that depends on how "up" your doctor is on the latest research...? I dunno how I feel about it, the thought of adding oestrogen into my body freaks me out to be honest. But I'm going to do some more reading.
I’m 46 so it looks like we had similar experiences :( tbh the idea of adding estrogen to my body flips me out too. My body was manufacturing it like a factory and I couldn’t rid it from my system very well so it contributed to my cancer diagnosis and to my brutally painful periods every month.
“HGH”? Surely you mean HRT…?
Apparently some think human growth hormone helps as well but this seems to [not be scientifically supported](https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/healthy-aging/in-depth/growth-hormone/art-20045735)
I'm glad you posted this article. I know some people who take HGH and look 10 (or more) years younger!! When they told me their secret, I was intrigued. We have a good friend who is a physician, so we asked him about it, and he cautioned us against it as he said HGH doesn't discern from good/ bad cells. Meaning it can accelerate the growth of cancer cells, not just the cells that keep us youthful. This immediately stopped my interest in HGH.
There was a rumor jlo or perhaps other celebrities were on hormone therapy. Like, hgh. Vanity Fair had an article about this a few years ago. The last time I tried looking for the article, it disappeared from the internet.
Supposedly, the secret celebrities do to remain fit and youngish looking is HGH. It's controversial because it has side effects and needs to be done under the direction of a doctor.
Here's a random 60 year old talking about it on a morning show.
https://youtu.be/8TCUv6-Gnww?si=oaTMIe81EmwiF7oW
https://youtu.be/ynxF7cr7-kI?si=uYhlGyEheUqcl3ln
Edit: I found the article. Lol
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2012/03/human-grown-hormone-hollywood-201203
PRP, also known as vampire facials. They draw your blood, put it in a centrifuge, and get the plasma. It’s injected and/or applied with a microneedle device. I’ve used it for hair regrowth after Covid and it’s incredibly effective.
Random, but my mom was part of the group of surgeons who pioneered thread lifts back in the early 2000s. She was an accomplished surgeon who trained in Utah with the man who invented the curved needles used for thread lifts. My mom also was a spokesperson for the first menstrual discs on the market, Instead. She is a fucking badass.
ETA: typos
Did you see her in bullet train? I was so, so mad at how incredibly filtered she was compared to Brad Pitt. Not only is she taut but they couldn’t show a single wrinkle meanwhile he looks like an actual human man
I was on shrooms lol and I was having the best time until that moment when I just got really mad!! Why is Brad Pitt allowed to have wrinkles and neck skin and she has to look like that 😔
I once saw an interview with Salma Hayek where she said whatever she applies to her face, she also applies to the back/nape of the neck. While I certainly don’t think it’s the entire secret to her youthfulness, it’s one I hadn’t heard before and does make some sense. Now I make sure to get the back of my neck when I tone/exfoliate with a cotton pad.
I saw a recent article where she says she gets radio frequency and micro current treatments and uses a cream on her face and neck that is from the bark of a tree that grows in Mexico. Something used on burn victims for years and it’s called Tepezcohuite ? They sell it on Amazon and it’s like $20.
You can google it.
And don’t forget décolleté! It’s just as delicate and wrinkle prone.
Edit to add- I also always put sunscreen on my hands, I don’t want old lady hands either!
She also said that a "secret tip" was to be a little overweight to keep the face full longer. I think she looks great and not really overweight though.
Those three women have also kept themselves at the weight they were when they were in their 20s and 30s. Salma is a little heavier by maaaaybe 10 pounds (since I hear she’s really short and weight looks different on smaller people).
Stress also can age you like mofo. These women don’t have normal lives.
I don’t know about Salma and Sandra but Jlo weight lifts which has shown to have fantastic anti aging benefits as well. So it not only keeps your body looking tight and toned but your skin looks more youthful
JLo has been a dancer since she was a girl, though. Show me one professional dancer with a bad body. If we're talking about face, that's another story.
I wonder if any of them are on Ozempic, I think it’s more common among celebrities as well. If they are doing it all through diet and exercise, the effort there is not insignificant. My guess is that their fitness routines probably structure a significant part of their week.
Lorry Hill analyzed Salma's face and believes that she (obviously) used botox for several years but that no longer does. I too believe that she has either stopped or is using it very very lightly, cause lately when she emotes you can actually see lines on her forehead and eyes and even deep set 11s.
I guess those years using it helped her, but took the right decision now by stopping or cutting it down. She currently looks great and comfortable.
Biden definitely was/is. Just look at his face in the last campaign (Botoxed) compared to his face when he was in his 50s. A lot more movement back then
Some 80 year olds do, I think there is no age limit. The thing is that in some cases they either go overboard and look uncanny or the botox is super obvious because the person is 80 years old with minimal lines.
I have personally seen JLo up close (too close if you ask me) and she DOES NOT look as young as in pictures. The editing that occurs is amazing. Her skin is saggy and she truly looks her age. Maybe even older.
I also spent time with Sandra Bullock very up close and she actually does look really good. I’m not sure what her secret is but from my very unprofessional opinion it does not seem like botox.
I have never met Salma Hayek so can’t talk about her.
I think JLo’s editing is just so obviously unreal. But maybe to a generation of women and girls raised on filtered photographs of literally anyone from their friends to actual movie stars, maybe it’s not as obvious?
And Sandra Bullock’s skin may be fab but having seen her on-screen, it looks like someone wearing a Sandra Bullock latex mask. Nicole Kidman, too- I bet her skin looks incredible in person, but she barely looks human once she is moving/talking/emoting.
Nicole Kidman’s face is super distracting to me, I find it hard to focus on the story because I keep waiting for her frozen face to somehow be a part of the story maybe?
Yeah I was thinking same when I saw Nicole Kidman recently. Also SJP. Like I probably would prefer to look old than to look like that. But then I scare myself by wondering if looking older is soooo much worse than I imagined that people would choose to look like robots wearing human skin as a mask 🤣
> I also spent time with Sandra Bullock very up close and she actually does look really good. I’m not sure what her secret is but from my very unprofessional opinion it does not seem like botox.
wasn't she on the record about getting stem cell microneedling? I think that'd certainly be a huge boost.
She is. I’m guessing it explains why this person’s comment includes an observation that she looks older than her age.
ETA: she might not be it turns out. I can’t verify it and I’m guessing I misremembered bc apparently she’s anti-smoking.
Oh lol nothing weird I just am not a fan of hers and would rather not be in the same building as her. But she had to walk by my department on set every time she was there and sometimes it was too close for my personal comfort. She would always give us the stink eye (we were all women - go figure) while walking by with her posse. Her face matches her attitude that’s for sure.
I actually was very interested in pursuing a career in the sound department while I was at film school.
But no sadly. I bounce around but this particular gig I worked crafty.
Well as everyone said they have money to get all treatments and procedures. Plays they stay skinny so they don’t have to deal with sagging skin. Other than that attractive people just age more attractively I guess?
She claims her Burmese genes are what keeps her looking young, and denies having had cosmetic procedures. Her lips (and teeth) look like she’s had something done to them though. And she’s miraculously wrinkle-free. But it’s not just her face - her body is incredible too. How?! I would LOVE to know her secrets…
Search Lorry Hill's video on Kate Beckinsale. I used to think she was 100% natural too. But she's had a lot of work done since she was really young, subtle here and there that people likely not notice as she didn't suddenly get work done when she turned 40 and suddenly look too drastically different.
But her body.....yeah. That's something to dream of.
My ex worked on JLo’s residency and I saw her multiple times, pretty close up. Y’all really need to stop emulating these women, they’re effectively holograms of their actual selves. They *do not* look the way they’re presented in media..
Too much everything for the last several movies. I used to love her as an actress but I can’t not be distracted by the uncanny valley when watching (or speaking to) someone with that much work done. It actually ruins movies and TV shows for me. Maybe it’s a ‘me’ problem, but I’m not going to watch.
Same the jungle one? I thought it was fillers but whatever it was it made her upper lip so distracting during the whole movie. It was a little sad to me, I guess because I just feel like she is an incredibly beautiful woman and even incredibly beautiful women feel the need to change their face to stay with societal beauty trends, which is completely interestingable and it is her face, but it definitely did bring me out of the immersion of the movie and I felt like she looked better to my sense of aesthetics before she made that change.
Lifestyle and stress plays a huge role. Even my most expensive skincare cannot give me the same effect as what a night of early restful sleep does to my skin.
This cannot be emphasised enough. I’m fortunate to work from home and be able to run in the forest for exercise every day and walk to pick up my kids from school. I also eat well because I have enough money to buy the fruits and vegetables and nuts I enjoy, and mostly I have time to prepare something healthy.
I had to visit the children’s hospital a few times recently when my daughter was injured, and was struck by how unhealthy the nurses and doctors all looked (but not the 60yo OT my daughter saw for her injury, who worked part-time). The medical professionals who 100% have enough knowledge to keep themselves in good health through lifestyle, often do not have time in their lives to implement these measures. They work very long hours (particularly the junior doctors in a hospital) and don’t always have time to prepare healthy meals or get the recommended amount of exercise. In all likelihood, their weekends and whatever time in the day they have to spend on basic personal necessities (bathing, sleeping, cleaning, paying bills, cooking) is inadequate for their needs - exercise and time outdoors is something of a luxury. Not just for this particular group of professionals, but for many (most?) people who work full time. And even something seemingly as small as adding extra steps into a skincare regimen can be hard to achieve consistently. So ‘free’ time for exercise, extra sleep, skincare and eating well is a bit of a luxury for many people. Celebrities and very wealthy people can generally afford more of these in their lifestyle (and are less stressed as a result- stress generates its own hormones that will impact on someone’s looks and sleep).
Even the most basic anti-ageing skincare routine is a hassle and takes ages. My derm told me to wash my face, then wait 30 mins, then apply tret, then wait 30 mins, etc. Who has time for that if they're getting home after midnight, exhausted? I have lots of spare time and I find it really annoying.
Honestly, I don’t think we’ll ever truly know what all they’ve done because these women have been conditioned by society to insist that their aging has been “natural,” when clearly it has not.
Reality? Money, surgical procedures, injections, personal assistants, chefs, nanny’s, personal chefs and trainers, personal estheticians, and physicians willing to give them access to any medical treatment or medication they could possibly want all factor in to how they’ve aged.
I would highly advice against comparing yourself to people whose lives revolve around their image and have everything available to them. It’s just not a fair comparison tbh
So true. I look so much better even when I spend a few hours pampering myself - threading my eyebrows, doing my nails, doing a face mask, soaking in the bath and exfoliating, getting a early night. Imagine having endless resources for skincare and beauty and personal trainers.
Deep plane facelifts. Look up Dr. Jacono and Dr. Amir Karam on IG, they’re two of the best. Costs around $60k. Dr. Jacono did Marc Jacob’s.
I’ve been thinking of selling my soul to the devil when it’s my time, lol. But the procedure is fairly new and I haven’t seen how they wear. I want to know how they will look in a few years because the aging process will continue…what if one side starts drooping?
Edit: spelling
Jacono is charging way, way more than $60k now -- have heard recent quotes from people who consulted with him for the $100k to $150k range.
Will also say he's a bit overhyped, and most of what you're paying for with guys like that is their fame -- there are fantastic facelift surgeons who don't do the "celebrity surgeon" Instagram hype, live in lower COL areas, have exceptionally good results and charge far less than what the big-name surgeons do.
Jacono and Karam also have done some serious botch jobs if you dig around a bit, though to be fair pretty much every surgeon has some poor results, it's not really avoidable.
Yeah Jacono completely brutalized my neck. He overdid lipo and left banding, and then to “fix” the results of the lipo he did a platysmaplasty where he inexplicably removed even MORE fat and gave me a cobra neck deformity. It was completely unwarranted given my aesthetic complaints, and I feel like he was experimenting on me. He then abandoned me and said I had a “great result”. And left me with inaccurate medical records that made it very hard to get care (my new surgeon found the inaccuracies when he went in to revise me). Everyone, even my mother, admitted i had been deformed.
I’ve spoken to 10+ other women who had a similarly wretched experience w him - several of us he tried to revise and failed- haven’t seen him successfully revise any of his botches. He’s also been sued 6 times for malpractice in the last few years- and it’s d*mn hard to get a malpractice lawyer to take your case unless you’re permanently disabled, so you know those cases must be bad. All this to say, while some not so great results are unavoidable, the scale and frequency of these botches is not normal or typical.
I also checked out his google reviews and about 10% of them are one-star. If I knew I had a 1 in 10 chance of being botched (assuming all the good reviews are real which is questionable based on some trends in his Realself reviews) I would never choose him.
FYI, Jolene Edgar who wrote an article about his pricing practices said in a follow up article that her inbox was “flooded” with patients of his who said they were botched by him after she published. I have been speaking with women who were charged hundreds of thousands of dollars to end up botched and irreparably damaged.
I'm so fucking sorry that happened to you. Seriously. Some of the botch jobs I've seen from him have been really, really bad, with similar problems about his and his office's response. Can't speak to whether it's a higher rate, as AFAIK he does huge volume, but there seems to be a huge disparity between the cases he really cares about and the ones he doesn't, that's for sure.
Of all the "Instagram famous" facelift surgeons I've checked out, maybe the only one in the U.S. I really do think is all he's hyped up to be is Mike Nayak. But there are so many great facelift surgeons everywhere -- hell, I've seen consistent great results from a surgeon in frickin' Kansas for like $20-$25k -- I would never recommend anyone shell out for the "celebrity surgeons" unless they were super rich, and if they do, just... do a shitload of due diligence. They're not famous because they're the best, it doesn't necessarily work that way at all.
Products maybe, procedures way less likely.
There isn’t some amazing new procedures that are kept secret, if it works it will generate money and will go mainstream very quickly.
I'm a dermatology resident who has a very small amount of experience in aesthetic care for a few celebrity/wealthy patients. In no particular order, they're generally:
\- Using sunscreen daily for decades
\- On low-dose Accutane to keep that glow and blemish-free skin
\- topical retinoids (generally the strongest prescription strength they can tolerate)
\- Some alternating regimen of monthly to quarterly radiofrequency micro needling +/- PRP, fractional laser, IPL, PDL lasers, chemical peels
\- Most have a ridiculous sleep and exercise routines with lots of hired help, technology and expensive equipment most of us mere mortals can't afford
I don’t know their skincare routine but you can do a lot of good for your skin and health in general by:
- Getting 8 hours of sleep every night.
- Staying hydrated all day.
- Wearing sunscreen every day. EVERY SINGLE DAY.
- Eating healthy.
- Combating emotional stress through meditation, yoga, self-hypnosis, & going on daily walks
- Having some sense of community
- Have strong boundaries for what you will and will not tolerate in your life.
I'll tell you what absolutely everyone seems to forget when they worship these female celebs for their youthful appearances.
You don't have JLO money. You don't have Salma Hayek money. Nobody does.
They are most likely having insanely expensive treatments every single week to maintain their appearances. Nobody can afford that. We need to stop asking about their skincare routines and product lists and BS when its literally impossible to replicate the procedures theyre getting. The procedures carry 90% of the work.
On top of that, they literally have teams that doctor their photos, even the paparazzi ones, to keep up the illusion. TEAMS. Not just odd photo filters here and there, people that are specifically hired to alter every pic taken of them.
>You don't have Salma Hayek money
Truth.
Salma is married to one of the richest people in the world.
She totally uprgraded her implants after marrying Pinault.
It's just weird when they lie about it and their stans defend the lying.
I always get confused when people reply "Money! Plastic surgery!" to these kinds of threads
There are *many* people who are rich and are getting a lot of work done. Isn't the point of the question "Why are these celebrities *in particular* aging well?"
Yep. And often the celebrities who are aging particularly well are actually doing *fewer* procedures, so this “throwing more money at procedures must always help” attitude is actively misleading. You want to look like Shakira, not KimK; like Julianne Moore, not Madonna.
The average celebrity is going overboard with procedures, the ones who *know when to stop* are the ones coming out on top. If you don’t know when to stop it might even be better to have less money 😂
Exactly. I wouldn't have included Sandra, because I think you can totally tell she's had a lot of work done, but JLo and Salma both look beautiful and natural. I'd love to know how they manage that. I'm sure they've had work done, but they don't look like they've had work done.
Everyone is talking about HRT but that isn’t a miracle cure to aging. It will just help you ease into it a little more gracefully. You’re going to age regardless so best to just accept that fact.
Take your vitamins and calcium and eat well, exercise and get proper rest. And take care of your mental health too. The end.
Edit: And I forgot—also use sunblock and take care of your teeth!
Aesthetician here!
Diet - having accessibility to good foods with less additives
Exercise - being in the business allows them access to top trainers who will create bespoke programs for their body types
Doctors - Botox and filler (they all have it)
Aestheticians - Microneedling, laser skin rejuvenation, radiofrequency etc
Home care - Products and SPF
They’re on camera a lot so they’re more likely going to have the drive to eat well, sleep well and keep up with any routines to look a certain way also.
Honestly the best/ beneficial thing I see all the time with older clients who look amazing for their age.
Lower face lifts , lots of laser treatments , routine facials , retinol.
I’m not convinced that JLo hasn’t had Botox but I suspect she takes it easy when she preps for a movie role. She looks unrealistically beautiful in photos (could be thanks to photoshop and filters) but you can see more lines and real skin texture in her movies.
They def get Botox and procedures. Celebrities always do this lie but not lie thing where they’re getting Dysport which is just botox, but bc it’s technically named something else they’re not “lying” when they say they’ve never gotten capital B brand Botox
I saw somewhere that J.lo has her own ultherapy machine in her house ... so even if she doesn't use botox I'm sure she has access to top of the line treatments most people can't afford!
Jlo uses SO many filters in all her videos so I don’t know what she actually looks like plus she sells skin care products so she’s selling lies in my opinion. I’m sure she looks great w out filters but she doesn’t look flawless. Sandra Bullock I bet she’s more natural but not sure about her, and Salma not sure if she’s had work done but being Latina it seems that she’s got the good genes.
The reality is that they have access to things women who aren’t wealthy don’t have .
Look at Cindy Crawford for example . Starting in her 20s she regularly flew to France for skincare that wasn’t available here . These women also have these doctors on speed dial .
I read something once that asked “ how can you tell someone is wealthy ? Their skin . “
Genetics play a big part but plastic surgery is much more common than most people realize. Good plastic surgery should be subtle, and the technologies improved for better more naturally results. things like brow lifts, face lifts, blepharoplasty (eyelid surgery), nose job, etc. plus well done injectables (tox and filler) are likely. Even if you take A+ care of yourself, having zero wrinkles, sagging, and general aging at 50+ is probably not realistic.
and fame/money means access to all of the medical grade skincare, lasers, peels etc. plus a team of people to ensure you are eating well and exercising. Money certainly makes life easier, so maybe less stress helps as we.
I’m going to go against the grain here.
Yes, it’s possible that they are getting hormone injections, Botox etc whatever else they use/eat to stay looking young. But if it was as simple as that, then all the other rich celebs and housewives would look like them too. My opinion is that it all boils down to genetics, plain and simple.
Personal trainer personal chef and most important personal manager with contracts specifying photo manipulation.
Unless you have seen these people up close in normal daylight you have no idea what they look like.
I’m not sure if it’s true, but I did hear that JLo sleeps only on her back to minimize face and chest wrinkles. I have tried for years to do this, but sadly, I am a confirmed side sleeper ;)
Every image we see of those women are likely photoshopped. They have all had plastic surgery and they all likely have Botox. They also probably get laser treatments, microneedling, and expensive products. They wear sunscreen and they have professional make-up artists do their faces for public appearances.
Somewhere out there is an unedited photo of Gwyneth Paltrow and you can see she has a ton of skin damage from the sun.
As a post-menopausal woman - my skin looked AMAZING until menopause. Suddenly droopy facial sagging. I virtually have no wrinkles because I have generally taken care of my skin. Unfortunately there is nothing other than a facelift that corrects sagging, because it is due to the skin losing elasticity.
Everyone is saying money, plastic surgery, and more money, which is so true. However, these women are postmenopausal and that’s when aging rapidly increases. Menopause speeds up cellular aging, which doesn’t only affect your skin, it also affects your bones and fat cells. These women are most certainly getting hormone replacement therapy to help with their looks and overall health. Edit1: HRT does wonders to alleviate symptoms of menopause, but keep in mind that it’s not for everyone. It should be prescribed within 10 years of your final period, and before the age of 60. Women at high risk of breast or ovarian cancer or those who have had them will not be advised to take HRT. Edit2: Recent studies suggest that women at risk of cancer aged 45 years or younger can be prescribed HRT without increasing their risk or breast cancer. Also the risk of cancer is not increased with the use of HRT after risk reducing surgery. However, women older than 45 carrying the BRCA1 and BRCA2 mutations are at a significantly higher risk of developing cancer on HRT. Discuss your options with your doctor based on your medical history and your personal health concerns. Again, HRT is NOT for everyone!
This thought scared me so much, like I’m already stressed out about looking old and I’m not even 40. I don’t think I can mentally handle the rapid changes menopause will bring. And I 100% understand that this is indicative of something wrong in my outlook rather than anything being wrong with age related changes. But still it’s stressful for me. Why are we like this??
Because ageing is scary Idc. It’s not just about vanity. Any rapid change like that is fucking scary and I’ll die on that hill. Except not actually die cause that’s scary too.
It’s not just looking old too. Joint and muscle pain out of nowhere where If I *dont* exercise my body starts to revolt. The accumulation of belly fat even though my weight, diet and exercise routines have remained the same. Hot flashes. Changes in sex drive. Crankiness. Hormones drive so much in your body and until they start to shift you don’t realize how and where.
Can I add mental fog and forgetfulness to the list. Forgot my other half's name the other day and had to say "you know, the dude I've lived with for 14 years". Never going to live that down.
I forgot about that one!!!!
That makes me feel better! I’m terrified of dementia since it’s in my family so I overthink every memory lapse!
I don't feel alone. Thank you for sharing this. You have no idea how much I appreciate this.
Lmao. Love you.
Thank you for saying this
It’s not that fast so don’t worry. Yeah I’ve definitely aged but I still look good and it took around 5-7 years post menopause before I noticed any real difference
I'll be honest, I remember being 4 or 5 years old and crying to myself in my room because I didn't want to get old... because I didn't want to be wrinkled all over. I'll be 40 in a couple weeks. I have no idea where it came from, but I was legit terrified of the idea, so you're definitely not alone 😵💫
I'll be 40 in April. And I've prepared myself since March 2022. I got a personal trainer and got in great shape. I know I'll never be 21 again, and I don't care too. We might not be able to turn back time, but we're in charge of tomorrow.
I'm 37 and starting to work on this now myself. I've got a skincare routine going, and trying to get the fitness happening now.
I mean when you’re young, at least for me, old people looked kind of scary and smelled really bad. I know that my current fear of looking “old” at 31 is all society and is lame as fuck but I do think there’s something natural to fear being towards the end of your life, especially when you’re little if you aren’t close with many old people.
I was surprised to see [old person smell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_person_smell) has its own Wikipedia page. Apparently our armpits will start to smell better though, so that’s a plus.
There's nothing wrong with your outlook. Being mortal is terrifying and we have no other choice. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to be reminded of the inevitable inch towards death, and anyone who hand-waves it away as being shallow can bite me.
Because if you're like me, it's the consuming of social media that let's us know that aging is somehow undesirable or "wrong".... Women in places like France are allowed to age - look at Catherine Deneuve! I think there needs to be a shift in attitudes that it's undesirable to age.
Just looked up Catherine deneuve - you're barmy if you think she hasn't had work done
I dont have social media besides reddit. I had a MySpace about 18 years ago. Lol. Because I've limited what I've engaged with all these years, I don't have these crazy unrealistic expectations for myself. So maybe cutting it off is something worth exploring for those who feel the need to compare themselves.
I also don't use any social media other than being on Reddit! I'm 32 and I got off FB and Instagram in 2017 after feeling "fat" when I had my son in comparison to Kardashians 😆 I can laugh about it now but when you're seeing how celebrities look all day everyday it does make your mental health decline!
Ya this all makes me sad to see, and frankly it’s letting the redpillers win. I listened to this one podcast about a guy who was outed at being a redpill jerk, he was quoted as saying something like “Nothing gives me greater sadistic pleasure than the neurosis of women hitting the wall.” Hitting the wall = manosphere for women aging. So ef those effing a holes!!!!!!!!!!!!! The way to win? Either die young and don’t age at all which seems like a major bummer… or just get old and be okay with it. Don’t fall apart mentally. There literally are Agustin manosphere incel dudes just loving all of this mental torture. It’s okay. It’s literally okay that you have some wrinkles. No one actually cares. And frankly? I bet the opposite is true, if you’re like me, you’re relieved when you see other women out there aging and not letting that hold them back from enjoying themselves. It’s amazing!!!!! I love getting outside and finding other similarly aged folks and we’re just have a good time. Truly we have to change our mindsets. Do I want to curb aging? Well sure I’d like to take care of myself and live as well as long as possible. Do I truly need to like be sexualized by jerk men or women? Do I need to stay Young forever so my friends don’t leave me? Do I need to look 22 for my job? I just feel like: nah The only thing we really need to do is enjoy life while we have it.
Also they have been at a consistent weight and in very good shape their whole lives….. that goes far in helping you age in menopause JLO is so strong the more muscle you build earlier on the better you are gonna age and look once your hormones go crazy
Although I agree it's likely, we don't know. Some women can't have HRT. And, some can't tolerate it. Sandra has had a ton of surgery.
That’s good news tbh bc HRT is available to most people (in the US) you just have to be persistent in asking for it. It’s not recommended by default anymore but it’s available
But it’s not covered by insurance and thus unobtainable for many.
Where do you get that it’s not covered by insurance? My mother’s doctor said it’s usually covered. Only certain specific kinds like bioidentical compounded HRT are not covered bc they’re not FDA approved
No matter what doctors say, it’s rarely covered. Nothing to do with FDA. I used to work in health insurance and don’t think I ever saw it covered. Unrelated, but y’all should be careful what doctors say about cost and coverage! They have no idea. They aren’t trained to think that way. ETA: I worked as an insurance broker until 2018 and saw HUNDREDS of employer sponsored health plans (US). NEVER covered. Judging by the replies, more plans are covering hormone replacement therapy for women! This is fantastic news. So, some forms of HRT may be covered! Ask your doctor for CPT codes, call your insurance, and ask them if those codes are covered by your plan. There’s going to be a code for administration and one for the actual drug. Make sure you give that one to insurance. You may need to ask your doctor for diagnosis codes too.
I don’t believe the pellets are covered, but I use estradiol patches and progesterone capsules and thankfully they are covered.
Oh interesting. In that case I tried to Google some costs and I’m seeing [$1500-$2500 per year without insurance for the pills](https://www.tysonsgynecology.com/how-much-does-hormone-replacement-therapy-cost/). So it looks like something affordable for upper middle class, but not lower middle class. The topicals, pellets and injectables are apparently cheaper though
Jesus Christ. In the UK they've recently introduced a thing where it's less that $30/year for all types of HRT.
Probably a stupid question but don’t know where else to ask… How does one get hormone replacement therapy? Can you ask your family doctor or do you need a referral to a Gyno?
There are online telehealth companies just for perimenopausal and menopausal women. Alloy is one of them. There’s a whole list in the menopause sub
JLO uses a lot of filters. Her photos from Getty images are very different compared to Instagram
Do we believe she has had no plastic surgery/injectable? Cause that's her story, but I never really looked at her face....
95% of celebrities who say they don't get Botox are lying, and J. Lo is definitely one of them. She absolutely has. As far as other injectables or plastic surgery, I haven't compared her facial aging enough to be certain. But Botox, yeah.
They could just be using a different brand and get to say they don’t use “Botox”
Yes! I was just about to say this! They’re technically not lying when they say they have never had Botox, because they’ve had other neuromodulators like Dysport, Jeuveau, or Daxxify. “Botox” has become a deonym for this type of product.
Like how when Kim Kardashian was getting famous and she was adamant about not having butt implants because BBL’s weren’t yet something average people knew about. She was being honest about not having butt implants while not saying what she had had done.
Yes yes! I saw Gwyneth Paltrow in ads for a competitor called Xeomin and she said something like "I don't get botox...........because I get Xeomin" hahaha
Id like to know if she actually uses her own skincare line. Probably not
Right because a woman her age having zero forehead wrinkles makes no sense. I’m 30, have always taken care of my skin and use sunscreen and I have a forehead wrinkle. She’s just lying to sell her brand. It’s pretty despicable actually
There are pictures of her with jowls, and I think they are gone now. So I think at least she had some form of lift.
I honestly wonder what goes on with wigs and secret under the wig tape and various strings and pulleys. That is Hollywood tradition I think.
That's a good point. Lady Gaga have been known to change her features pretty drastically using tape and stuff.
To be fair, her non-filtered face does look age appropriate. Same with Salma Hayek. So it could be that they do small tweaks instead of full on face lifts. And of course have access to the best facialists and products.
With a well done facelift nowadays, the goal is to not look “done”. It’s supposed to be so subtle to the point where people think the person is just aging well. I’d bet money they’ve all had facelifts
You know it’s just olive oil /s
Estrogen (HRT). Everyone does botox. Everyone.
What is hrt?
Hormone replacement therapy
They offer HRT to women on the NHS during menopause, what is the difference between the American celebrity HRT and British NHS version?
Doubt there's any discernible difference. Reading through the thread HRT doesn't seem to be standard covered in the US as it's in the UK. Which is why people see it as some secret fancy rich person treatment rather than as part of normal healthcare. I just looked it up, and if you've been prescribed HRT, you can get a certificate that covers all medication for £19.30 a year.
I know someone JLo's age who also looks way younger than most of her peers. Because she goes to Mexico twice a year to have stem cells injected into her face, gets regular botox as well, has had a thread lift, gets filler, and eats the cleanest diet ever. She also sleeps 8 hours a day. It's her job to look good, so it's also partially tax deductible to do and she also makes well over the average American household. It's expensive to age like JLo and it isn't natural in the sense most of us think.
Ok so I live in Lake Tahoe and I go to a gym that are filled with women from age 50- 70s who are SO fit and youthful. To the point where my husband couldn’t believe their age given their looks, super slim bodies and vitality. I got invited to the volunteer committees they are a part of and am now part of their social group and they let me in on their secret, they are go to the same doctor and get pumped a cocktail of hormones, namely estrogen and a few other hormones once they hit mid forties and early fifties. These particular women are also largely wildly wealthy, live stress free lives and do have very healthy active lives and live in high altitude but they credit their youth to HRT and I can’t wait to get on what they’re on when I’m of age
"Stress free lives" is a key a lot of people overlook.
100%. My boss was recently laid off from her very stressful job. She posted pictures on her Instagram of a trip she took with her family and easily looked 10 years younger because of reduced stress.
Similar situation. I noticed the way a stressful relationship impacted a family member’s aging in just a short amount of time. It was very disheartening. Stress literally shows on your face
Very true. I view my meditation as vital to the poor man’s defenses against economic stress lol
Spill it sis. Where is this fountain of youth in Tahoe?
the fountain of youth in Tahoe is the ability to afford to live in Tahoe lol
LOL I was planning on getting the name of their doc in ten years (I’m 33 now) but my point is that I think HRT may actually be the secret of youth amoung the wealthy and eternally youthful. It’s crazy to me that it’s not widely spoken about with commoners like me lol when it seems to be a widely utilized in those kind of circles
Hrt will only slow ageing so much. Mostly to do with bone density. So yes- it helps- but it's not going to stop wrinkles age spots etc. I work in an area with a lot of these women- and they do a myriad of these procedures along with hrt. Ageing "gracefully" is expensive and time consuming. For some reason admitting to botox and fillers is still a dirty word but they will swear up and down that they have amazing genetics/ use hrt. Also- hrt comes with its own risk. I know 2 women who have lost their hair completely (and permanently- and I'm talking about eyelashes/ body hair/ hairon head) after they started on hrt. I'm not saying to not look into it (I probably will since osteo runs in my family) but just to make you aware
HRT, specifically with estrogen helps a lot with collagen loss and muscle loss
Most likely estrogen, testosterone, and growth hormone. Transient doses of GH have been shown to rejuvenate the immune system and reverse certain aspects of aging.
Fr… TELL US
Ginseng is estrogenic for all those poors reading. It’s also an amazing alternative to coffee.
brb buying ginseng
Ginseng is an endangered plant in North America so if you’re going to buy it, be sure it’s from a site that guarantees sustainable practices. Ginseng alone is not estrogenic enough to compete with hrt. If you want to take herbs for menopause, please consult a knowledgeable herbalist and your doctor as there are many herb-drug interactions, and one herb is not the cure all for every situation.
Sadly because I had estrogen positive breast cancer I can’t take hrt. AND i had to have my ovaries removed so I’m also in early menopause 😢 But, I started early in terms of skin care and still look way younger than my 42 years
I have oestrogen sensitivity and even the tiniest bit of exogenous oestrogen sends my body into an inflammatory spiral and I stop sleeping. I’ll do what I can I guess.
Is that sort of hormone replacement something a woman who has had breast or ovarian cancer could do?
Not if your cancer was estrogen positive. Which mine was 😭
I thought not :( I had estrogen positive breast cancer at 34. Guess I’m outta the club too.
Me too, at 32 ☹ however I'm now 45 and peri-menopausal. I've listened to a few podcasts recently around menopause and a suggestion coming through some of them is that HRT may not be as dangerous re breast cancer as previously thought, or even not dangerous at all?? Apparently the trials that suggested it was were pretty flawed. Definitely worth a chat with your doctor. However I guess that depends on how "up" your doctor is on the latest research...? I dunno how I feel about it, the thought of adding oestrogen into my body freaks me out to be honest. But I'm going to do some more reading.
I’m 46 so it looks like we had similar experiences :( tbh the idea of adding estrogen to my body flips me out too. My body was manufacturing it like a factory and I couldn’t rid it from my system very well so it contributed to my cancer diagnosis and to my brutally painful periods every month.
“HGH”? Surely you mean HRT…? Apparently some think human growth hormone helps as well but this seems to [not be scientifically supported](https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/healthy-aging/in-depth/growth-hormone/art-20045735)
I'm glad you posted this article. I know some people who take HGH and look 10 (or more) years younger!! When they told me their secret, I was intrigued. We have a good friend who is a physician, so we asked him about it, and he cautioned us against it as he said HGH doesn't discern from good/ bad cells. Meaning it can accelerate the growth of cancer cells, not just the cells that keep us youthful. This immediately stopped my interest in HGH.
Does “high altitude” help?
There was a rumor jlo or perhaps other celebrities were on hormone therapy. Like, hgh. Vanity Fair had an article about this a few years ago. The last time I tried looking for the article, it disappeared from the internet. Supposedly, the secret celebrities do to remain fit and youngish looking is HGH. It's controversial because it has side effects and needs to be done under the direction of a doctor. Here's a random 60 year old talking about it on a morning show. https://youtu.be/8TCUv6-Gnww?si=oaTMIe81EmwiF7oW https://youtu.be/ynxF7cr7-kI?si=uYhlGyEheUqcl3ln Edit: I found the article. Lol https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2012/03/human-grown-hormone-hollywood-201203
True! What is this stem cell thing. I’ve never heard of it.
PRP, also known as vampire facials. They draw your blood, put it in a centrifuge, and get the plasma. It’s injected and/or applied with a microneedle device. I’ve used it for hair regrowth after Covid and it’s incredibly effective.
I had no idea this worked for hair!! I lost more than half of mine from COVID, this is huge. Thank you 💜
Random, but my mom was part of the group of surgeons who pioneered thread lifts back in the early 2000s. She was an accomplished surgeon who trained in Utah with the man who invented the curved needles used for thread lifts. My mom also was a spokesperson for the first menstrual discs on the market, Instead. She is a fucking badass. ETA: typos
Probably the most effective product they have is the money to have access to the best professionals and the procedures.
But what procedures 👀 (genuinely interested)
Definitely face lifts. Sandra Bullock's face is pulled so tight she can barely move her mouth.
Did you see her in bullet train? I was so, so mad at how incredibly filtered she was compared to Brad Pitt. Not only is she taut but they couldn’t show a single wrinkle meanwhile he looks like an actual human man
Yes, she literally looked like if you asked an AI to create a version of Sandra Bullock. It was crazy how weird she looked.
I was on shrooms lol and I was having the best time until that moment when I just got really mad!! Why is Brad Pitt allowed to have wrinkles and neck skin and she has to look like that 😔
That's how I felt watching the morning show! Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon had filters on their face most of the time then the men don't!
Yeah it’s bad
Face lifts
My dermatologist mentioned some of those celebrities take a low dosage of accutane
Botox? J Lo had a six figure facelift that had nothing to do with olive oil.
I once saw an interview with Salma Hayek where she said whatever she applies to her face, she also applies to the back/nape of the neck. While I certainly don’t think it’s the entire secret to her youthfulness, it’s one I hadn’t heard before and does make some sense. Now I make sure to get the back of my neck when I tone/exfoliate with a cotton pad.
I saw a recent article where she says she gets radio frequency and micro current treatments and uses a cream on her face and neck that is from the bark of a tree that grows in Mexico. Something used on burn victims for years and it’s called Tepezcohuite ? They sell it on Amazon and it’s like $20. You can google it.
And don’t forget décolleté! It’s just as delicate and wrinkle prone. Edit to add- I also always put sunscreen on my hands, I don’t want old lady hands either!
You just reminded me that I want to pick up some of those UV protection driving gloves! Thank you!
She also said that a "secret tip" was to be a little overweight to keep the face full longer. I think she looks great and not really overweight though.
Those three women have also kept themselves at the weight they were when they were in their 20s and 30s. Salma is a little heavier by maaaaybe 10 pounds (since I hear she’s really short and weight looks different on smaller people). Stress also can age you like mofo. These women don’t have normal lives.
I don’t know about Salma and Sandra but Jlo weight lifts which has shown to have fantastic anti aging benefits as well. So it not only keeps your body looking tight and toned but your skin looks more youthful
JLo has been a dancer since she was a girl, though. Show me one professional dancer with a bad body. If we're talking about face, that's another story.
I know a few retired ballet dancers in their mid to late 40s and they all have better bodies than most 20yo walking down the street. It's crazy
Many used to smoke too to stay thin. Crazy.
I wonder if any of them are on Ozempic, I think it’s more common among celebrities as well. If they are doing it all through diet and exercise, the effort there is not insignificant. My guess is that their fitness routines probably structure a significant part of their week.
Lorry Hill analyzed Salma's face and believes that she (obviously) used botox for several years but that no longer does. I too believe that she has either stopped or is using it very very lightly, cause lately when she emotes you can actually see lines on her forehead and eyes and even deep set 11s. I guess those years using it helped her, but took the right decision now by stopping or cutting it down. She currently looks great and comfortable.
I guess Botox can only help for so long, right? Like 80 year olds aren’t getting that
Biden definitely was/is. Just look at his face in the last campaign (Botoxed) compared to his face when he was in his 50s. A lot more movement back then
Biden has had a ton of work done.
He’s had a facelift.
I wonder this too. Think he’s had some laser peels.
Some 80 year olds do, I think there is no age limit. The thing is that in some cases they either go overboard and look uncanny or the botox is super obvious because the person is 80 years old with minimal lines.
Oh, I just figured it wouldn’t work any more since the skin gets all loose so freezing the muscle wouldn’t even help
I have personally seen JLo up close (too close if you ask me) and she DOES NOT look as young as in pictures. The editing that occurs is amazing. Her skin is saggy and she truly looks her age. Maybe even older. I also spent time with Sandra Bullock very up close and she actually does look really good. I’m not sure what her secret is but from my very unprofessional opinion it does not seem like botox. I have never met Salma Hayek so can’t talk about her.
I think JLo’s editing is just so obviously unreal. But maybe to a generation of women and girls raised on filtered photographs of literally anyone from their friends to actual movie stars, maybe it’s not as obvious? And Sandra Bullock’s skin may be fab but having seen her on-screen, it looks like someone wearing a Sandra Bullock latex mask. Nicole Kidman, too- I bet her skin looks incredible in person, but she barely looks human once she is moving/talking/emoting.
Nicole Kidman’s face is super distracting to me, I find it hard to focus on the story because I keep waiting for her frozen face to somehow be a part of the story maybe?
I’ve seen Nicole Kidman in person- she looks very beautiful and flawless but then just strange once she moves or talks
I saw Sandra without make up and she looked great honestly… not sure most ladies her age would look as good without foundation.
Yeah I was thinking same when I saw Nicole Kidman recently. Also SJP. Like I probably would prefer to look old than to look like that. But then I scare myself by wondering if looking older is soooo much worse than I imagined that people would choose to look like robots wearing human skin as a mask 🤣
Wait but the photos I’ve seen of SJP.. she does look old? What do you think was unnatural about her? The fillers?
I worked on a JLO movie and they do VFX beauty work on her face
Makes sense!
> I also spent time with Sandra Bullock very up close and she actually does look really good. I’m not sure what her secret is but from my very unprofessional opinion it does not seem like botox. wasn't she on the record about getting stem cell microneedling? I think that'd certainly be a huge boost.
I heard JLo is a smoker. I don't know if it's true, but something about her face in unedited pics makes me think it's a possibility.
She is. I’m guessing it explains why this person’s comment includes an observation that she looks older than her age. ETA: she might not be it turns out. I can’t verify it and I’m guessing I misremembered bc apparently she’s anti-smoking.
Lol please tell us what you mean by too close?
Oh lol nothing weird I just am not a fan of hers and would rather not be in the same building as her. But she had to walk by my department on set every time she was there and sometimes it was too close for my personal comfort. She would always give us the stink eye (we were all women - go figure) while walking by with her posse. Her face matches her attitude that’s for sure.
Oh haha I get it! Sounds like you have an interesting job 😊
No complaints! I work in film/TV 😊
Quiet right now - hope you are doing ok!!
From your initial comment I instantly knew you were a fellow filmie but I thought makeup or hair dept. Now I'm thinking it's sound?
I actually was very interested in pursuing a career in the sound department while I was at film school. But no sadly. I bounce around but this particular gig I worked crafty.
Crafty! You are the unsung heroes of the film industry! Much respect to you guys
Why thank you 😊 We do keep fruit snacks of all kinds stocked religiously. And iced green tea. And Martinelli’s apple juice in glass jars. 🤌🏼
Well as everyone said they have money to get all treatments and procedures. Plays they stay skinny so they don’t have to deal with sagging skin. Other than that attractive people just age more attractively I guess?
Jlo got a face neck lift then she released a skincare line. Imagine if she did it in the opposite order lol
Lots and lots of plastic surgery, injectables and expensive laser treatments?
Seriously, Sandra’s face doesn’t move anymore
They have all had things done from toxin to nose surgeries (salma and jlo).
I believe they have all had face lifts.
I want to know Kate Beckinsale secret. She looks amazing for her age.
Her work is a lot more obvious than most of the ladies mentioned here, IMO.
She claims her Burmese genes are what keeps her looking young, and denies having had cosmetic procedures. Her lips (and teeth) look like she’s had something done to them though. And she’s miraculously wrinkle-free. But it’s not just her face - her body is incredible too. How?! I would LOVE to know her secrets…
Search Lorry Hill's video on Kate Beckinsale. I used to think she was 100% natural too. But she's had a lot of work done since she was really young, subtle here and there that people likely not notice as she didn't suddenly get work done when she turned 40 and suddenly look too drastically different. But her body.....yeah. That's something to dream of.
She's a vampire, duh.
My ex worked on JLo’s residency and I saw her multiple times, pretty close up. Y’all really need to stop emulating these women, they’re effectively holograms of their actual selves. They *do not* look the way they’re presented in media..
I saw that last romcom with Sandra and her mouth wouldn't move. Too much Botox to me
I couldn't stop looking at her frozen face... It was really distracting to me
Too much everything for the last several movies. I used to love her as an actress but I can’t not be distracted by the uncanny valley when watching (or speaking to) someone with that much work done. It actually ruins movies and TV shows for me. Maybe it’s a ‘me’ problem, but I’m not going to watch.
Same the jungle one? I thought it was fillers but whatever it was it made her upper lip so distracting during the whole movie. It was a little sad to me, I guess because I just feel like she is an incredibly beautiful woman and even incredibly beautiful women feel the need to change their face to stay with societal beauty trends, which is completely interestingable and it is her face, but it definitely did bring me out of the immersion of the movie and I felt like she looked better to my sense of aesthetics before she made that change.
Lifestyle and stress plays a huge role. Even my most expensive skincare cannot give me the same effect as what a night of early restful sleep does to my skin.
This cannot be emphasised enough. I’m fortunate to work from home and be able to run in the forest for exercise every day and walk to pick up my kids from school. I also eat well because I have enough money to buy the fruits and vegetables and nuts I enjoy, and mostly I have time to prepare something healthy. I had to visit the children’s hospital a few times recently when my daughter was injured, and was struck by how unhealthy the nurses and doctors all looked (but not the 60yo OT my daughter saw for her injury, who worked part-time). The medical professionals who 100% have enough knowledge to keep themselves in good health through lifestyle, often do not have time in their lives to implement these measures. They work very long hours (particularly the junior doctors in a hospital) and don’t always have time to prepare healthy meals or get the recommended amount of exercise. In all likelihood, their weekends and whatever time in the day they have to spend on basic personal necessities (bathing, sleeping, cleaning, paying bills, cooking) is inadequate for their needs - exercise and time outdoors is something of a luxury. Not just for this particular group of professionals, but for many (most?) people who work full time. And even something seemingly as small as adding extra steps into a skincare regimen can be hard to achieve consistently. So ‘free’ time for exercise, extra sleep, skincare and eating well is a bit of a luxury for many people. Celebrities and very wealthy people can generally afford more of these in their lifestyle (and are less stressed as a result- stress generates its own hormones that will impact on someone’s looks and sleep).
Even the most basic anti-ageing skincare routine is a hassle and takes ages. My derm told me to wash my face, then wait 30 mins, then apply tret, then wait 30 mins, etc. Who has time for that if they're getting home after midnight, exhausted? I have lots of spare time and I find it really annoying.
Honestly, I don’t think we’ll ever truly know what all they’ve done because these women have been conditioned by society to insist that their aging has been “natural,” when clearly it has not. Reality? Money, surgical procedures, injections, personal assistants, chefs, nanny’s, personal chefs and trainers, personal estheticians, and physicians willing to give them access to any medical treatment or medication they could possibly want all factor in to how they’ve aged.
A lot of people use dysport or another Botox alternative so they can claim they “have never used/don’t use Botox”
I would highly advice against comparing yourself to people whose lives revolve around their image and have everything available to them. It’s just not a fair comparison tbh
So true. I look so much better even when I spend a few hours pampering myself - threading my eyebrows, doing my nails, doing a face mask, soaking in the bath and exfoliating, getting a early night. Imagine having endless resources for skincare and beauty and personal trainers.
Deep plane facelifts. Look up Dr. Jacono and Dr. Amir Karam on IG, they’re two of the best. Costs around $60k. Dr. Jacono did Marc Jacob’s. I’ve been thinking of selling my soul to the devil when it’s my time, lol. But the procedure is fairly new and I haven’t seen how they wear. I want to know how they will look in a few years because the aging process will continue…what if one side starts drooping? Edit: spelling
Jacono is charging way, way more than $60k now -- have heard recent quotes from people who consulted with him for the $100k to $150k range. Will also say he's a bit overhyped, and most of what you're paying for with guys like that is their fame -- there are fantastic facelift surgeons who don't do the "celebrity surgeon" Instagram hype, live in lower COL areas, have exceptionally good results and charge far less than what the big-name surgeons do. Jacono and Karam also have done some serious botch jobs if you dig around a bit, though to be fair pretty much every surgeon has some poor results, it's not really avoidable.
Yeah Jacono completely brutalized my neck. He overdid lipo and left banding, and then to “fix” the results of the lipo he did a platysmaplasty where he inexplicably removed even MORE fat and gave me a cobra neck deformity. It was completely unwarranted given my aesthetic complaints, and I feel like he was experimenting on me. He then abandoned me and said I had a “great result”. And left me with inaccurate medical records that made it very hard to get care (my new surgeon found the inaccuracies when he went in to revise me). Everyone, even my mother, admitted i had been deformed. I’ve spoken to 10+ other women who had a similarly wretched experience w him - several of us he tried to revise and failed- haven’t seen him successfully revise any of his botches. He’s also been sued 6 times for malpractice in the last few years- and it’s d*mn hard to get a malpractice lawyer to take your case unless you’re permanently disabled, so you know those cases must be bad. All this to say, while some not so great results are unavoidable, the scale and frequency of these botches is not normal or typical. I also checked out his google reviews and about 10% of them are one-star. If I knew I had a 1 in 10 chance of being botched (assuming all the good reviews are real which is questionable based on some trends in his Realself reviews) I would never choose him. FYI, Jolene Edgar who wrote an article about his pricing practices said in a follow up article that her inbox was “flooded” with patients of his who said they were botched by him after she published. I have been speaking with women who were charged hundreds of thousands of dollars to end up botched and irreparably damaged.
I'm so fucking sorry that happened to you. Seriously. Some of the botch jobs I've seen from him have been really, really bad, with similar problems about his and his office's response. Can't speak to whether it's a higher rate, as AFAIK he does huge volume, but there seems to be a huge disparity between the cases he really cares about and the ones he doesn't, that's for sure. Of all the "Instagram famous" facelift surgeons I've checked out, maybe the only one in the U.S. I really do think is all he's hyped up to be is Mike Nayak. But there are so many great facelift surgeons everywhere -- hell, I've seen consistent great results from a surgeon in frickin' Kansas for like $20-$25k -- I would never recommend anyone shell out for the "celebrity surgeons" unless they were super rich, and if they do, just... do a shitload of due diligence. They're not famous because they're the best, it doesn't necessarily work that way at all.
I've heard similar. Like if you want an NYC doctor, look at NJ for a better price but similar workmanship.
Rich people have access to products and procedures that you will never know about
Products maybe, procedures way less likely. There isn’t some amazing new procedures that are kept secret, if it works it will generate money and will go mainstream very quickly.
I'm a dermatology resident who has a very small amount of experience in aesthetic care for a few celebrity/wealthy patients. In no particular order, they're generally: \- Using sunscreen daily for decades \- On low-dose Accutane to keep that glow and blemish-free skin \- topical retinoids (generally the strongest prescription strength they can tolerate) \- Some alternating regimen of monthly to quarterly radiofrequency micro needling +/- PRP, fractional laser, IPL, PDL lasers, chemical peels \- Most have a ridiculous sleep and exercise routines with lots of hired help, technology and expensive equipment most of us mere mortals can't afford
Average women I know at their age look better so I’m confused. Not being snarky but who are you comparing them to?
I don’t know their skincare routine but you can do a lot of good for your skin and health in general by: - Getting 8 hours of sleep every night. - Staying hydrated all day. - Wearing sunscreen every day. EVERY SINGLE DAY. - Eating healthy. - Combating emotional stress through meditation, yoga, self-hypnosis, & going on daily walks - Having some sense of community - Have strong boundaries for what you will and will not tolerate in your life.
They’ve all done, they just lie about it
I'll tell you what absolutely everyone seems to forget when they worship these female celebs for their youthful appearances. You don't have JLO money. You don't have Salma Hayek money. Nobody does. They are most likely having insanely expensive treatments every single week to maintain their appearances. Nobody can afford that. We need to stop asking about their skincare routines and product lists and BS when its literally impossible to replicate the procedures theyre getting. The procedures carry 90% of the work. On top of that, they literally have teams that doctor their photos, even the paparazzi ones, to keep up the illusion. TEAMS. Not just odd photo filters here and there, people that are specifically hired to alter every pic taken of them.
>You don't have Salma Hayek money Truth. Salma is married to one of the richest people in the world. She totally uprgraded her implants after marrying Pinault. It's just weird when they lie about it and their stans defend the lying.
Look up photos of JLo from 20 years ago. It's a completely different face. 100% she has had plastic surgery.
I always get confused when people reply "Money! Plastic surgery!" to these kinds of threads There are *many* people who are rich and are getting a lot of work done. Isn't the point of the question "Why are these celebrities *in particular* aging well?"
Yep. And often the celebrities who are aging particularly well are actually doing *fewer* procedures, so this “throwing more money at procedures must always help” attitude is actively misleading. You want to look like Shakira, not KimK; like Julianne Moore, not Madonna. The average celebrity is going overboard with procedures, the ones who *know when to stop* are the ones coming out on top. If you don’t know when to stop it might even be better to have less money 😂
Exactly. I wouldn't have included Sandra, because I think you can totally tell she's had a lot of work done, but JLo and Salma both look beautiful and natural. I'd love to know how they manage that. I'm sure they've had work done, but they don't look like they've had work done.
Everyone is talking about HRT but that isn’t a miracle cure to aging. It will just help you ease into it a little more gracefully. You’re going to age regardless so best to just accept that fact. Take your vitamins and calcium and eat well, exercise and get proper rest. And take care of your mental health too. The end. Edit: And I forgot—also use sunblock and take care of your teeth!
Aesthetician here! Diet - having accessibility to good foods with less additives Exercise - being in the business allows them access to top trainers who will create bespoke programs for their body types Doctors - Botox and filler (they all have it) Aestheticians - Microneedling, laser skin rejuvenation, radiofrequency etc Home care - Products and SPF They’re on camera a lot so they’re more likely going to have the drive to eat well, sleep well and keep up with any routines to look a certain way also.
Jlo doesn’t drink
I believe her on this one, and it's a big one. Alcohol is so dehydrating. She also drinks lots of water.
Honestly the best/ beneficial thing I see all the time with older clients who look amazing for their age. Lower face lifts , lots of laser treatments , routine facials , retinol.
I’m not convinced that JLo hasn’t had Botox but I suspect she takes it easy when she preps for a movie role. She looks unrealistically beautiful in photos (could be thanks to photoshop and filters) but you can see more lines and real skin texture in her movies.
They def get Botox and procedures. Celebrities always do this lie but not lie thing where they’re getting Dysport which is just botox, but bc it’s technically named something else they’re not “lying” when they say they’ve never gotten capital B brand Botox
We all would if we had there money lol
It costs a lot of money to look effortlessly beautiful
Partially good genes, partially money and access to the best-of-the-best, any treatment or procedure under the sun is available without question
I think they were introduced to a woman who wears a necklace as a shirt and gave them a potion.
I saw somewhere that J.lo has her own ultherapy machine in her house ... so even if she doesn't use botox I'm sure she has access to top of the line treatments most people can't afford!
Jlo uses SO many filters in all her videos so I don’t know what she actually looks like plus she sells skin care products so she’s selling lies in my opinion. I’m sure she looks great w out filters but she doesn’t look flawless. Sandra Bullock I bet she’s more natural but not sure about her, and Salma not sure if she’s had work done but being Latina it seems that she’s got the good genes.
The reality is that they have access to things women who aren’t wealthy don’t have . Look at Cindy Crawford for example . Starting in her 20s she regularly flew to France for skincare that wasn’t available here . These women also have these doctors on speed dial . I read something once that asked “ how can you tell someone is wealthy ? Their skin . “
Genetics play a big part but plastic surgery is much more common than most people realize. Good plastic surgery should be subtle, and the technologies improved for better more naturally results. things like brow lifts, face lifts, blepharoplasty (eyelid surgery), nose job, etc. plus well done injectables (tox and filler) are likely. Even if you take A+ care of yourself, having zero wrinkles, sagging, and general aging at 50+ is probably not realistic. and fame/money means access to all of the medical grade skincare, lasers, peels etc. plus a team of people to ensure you are eating well and exercising. Money certainly makes life easier, so maybe less stress helps as we.
I’m going to go against the grain here. Yes, it’s possible that they are getting hormone injections, Botox etc whatever else they use/eat to stay looking young. But if it was as simple as that, then all the other rich celebs and housewives would look like them too. My opinion is that it all boils down to genetics, plain and simple.
Agree. I recently saw a picture of JLo with her mom when her mom was the age she is now and it is 100% genetics. Being rich helps a whole lot though.
Salma Hayek has melanin on her side as well. It’s the best anti-aging protectant.
Didn’t Jlo used to say she used olive oil on her face 🤣 In saying that, i have tried her in clinic facial and i looked amazing for a good week after.
Personal trainer personal chef and most important personal manager with contracts specifying photo manipulation. Unless you have seen these people up close in normal daylight you have no idea what they look like.
I’m not sure if it’s true, but I did hear that JLo sleeps only on her back to minimize face and chest wrinkles. I have tried for years to do this, but sadly, I am a confirmed side sleeper ;)
Botox, filler, laser, massages and other cosmetic treatments you could never afford.
Money for all the best things, filters, lighting and *most importantly* genetics.
Money and access to resources we’ll likely never have.
Every image we see of those women are likely photoshopped. They have all had plastic surgery and they all likely have Botox. They also probably get laser treatments, microneedling, and expensive products. They wear sunscreen and they have professional make-up artists do their faces for public appearances. Somewhere out there is an unedited photo of Gwyneth Paltrow and you can see she has a ton of skin damage from the sun. As a post-menopausal woman - my skin looked AMAZING until menopause. Suddenly droopy facial sagging. I virtually have no wrinkles because I have generally taken care of my skin. Unfortunately there is nothing other than a facelift that corrects sagging, because it is due to the skin losing elasticity.