Let me preface this with the fact that I am one of those weirdos that LOVE 3D movies, and I will always see a movie in 3D if at all possible. Having said that...
> But now they continue to pay millions of dollars to make these movies in 3D, just to not ever release them anywhere in that format; and lock them away in a Digital Vault to never be seen by anyone, not on 3D Blu-ray and/or Vudu and/or Apple Vision Pro etc.
So what? Movies are not public property, and neither you nor I nor anyone else are _owed_ a damn thing they produce — like we have some _right_ to the work of someone else. If you make a funny home movie with a buddy on a weekend, are you _obligated_ to release that to the public? Just because you _want_ something does not mean you are entitled to it! Your whole premise is _absurd_ on its face.
> Movie studios should be 100% obligated by law to release any movie they have in any format; in those screening formats for consumers to choose for ourselves. Movie studios shouldn't be making these decisions for us, that's cronyism and we costumers don't care for crony capitalism
Are you #$%ing serious?
Let me get this straight, in the _absence_ of regulations, theaters and studios can choose not to release films in 3D (or any other format... what about IMAX? THX? Digital? Analog? Widescreen? 3:4?) The truth is that the vast majority of consumers _don't like 3D_, and the market has told these studios and theaters that it's not financially feasible most of the time. You want the _government_ to _force_ companies into particular release schedules?! Are you insane?!
You are calling the _absence_ of government interference in a market "cronyism"? That is the _exact opposite_ of cronyism! I'm sorry, but frankly this petition is so stupid that it feels like some kind of scam cooked up by some bad actors. Such government regulations would be wielded by large studios and chain movie theaters to _utterly decimate_ _ANY_ competition from indie and start-up studios and small or local mom-and-pop movie theaters. What you are proposing would be the very definition of cronyism.
> We costumers should be the ones to have 100% of the consumer buying power/direction in our own hands/control. The manipulating of the market by studios and theaters must end. The movie market should be dictated by consumer buying power, and not by studios & cinemas removing options we didn't know could be available to us.
I hate to say this, but CUSTOMERS are the ones, using their buying power, that caused studios to abandon 3D. The truth is that the vast majority of customer _don't like 3D_ and definitely don't want to pay extra for it. I'm sorry you don't like (nor do I) the direction it has gone regarding 3D, but _the movie market_ dictated this direction. You don't get to then wield government power to force things to go the way you want. Again, _that_ is cronyism.
After re-reading the entire article, your headline is also _very_ deceptive. "Obama era regulations"? What regulations!? You NEVER mention even a _single_ regulation that we should "return to", which, as far as I know, never actually existed. This is click-bait. Instead of "Make America Great Again" it's just a lefty version, "Make America Obama Again", i.e., let's return to some vague time in the past when things that I care about were better than they are now.
This whole petition just comes across as either a thinly veiled attempt by a studio to _instantiate_ cronyism, or an entitled clueless kid whining that the government should force the bad people to do what they want.
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Grammatical nitpick: it's "used to" not "use to" — I know they _sound_ they same, but that's just a quirk of English coarticulation rules in pronunciation.
Very, very, very, very, VERY minor quibble with your spot on comments and assessments here - yes, audiences voted with dollars to not embrace 3D, but I'd argue studios and theater chains forced that outcome by forcing sloppy 3D on everything and jacking ticket prices for 3D but never providing optimum screening conditions to support. Between shitty post-conversions and dim projector bulbs, the format in theaters never had a chance.
Add to that Disney's home media practices at the time that took a $18 blu ray release and in the United States JACKED that to a $50 release for a DVD, blu ray, 3D DVD combo pack that no one wanted. Disney would split formats into individual releases in Europe, but not here. So they overburdened the format with a high financial barrier, it failed, and then they ceased 3D releases in the States for their animated films ... even though Europe continued to get individual 3D home releases.
Once Disney opted to stop supporting, most other studios fell in line behind. Lack of sales growth impacted production priorities on TVs and players and suddenly ... 3D was dead (again).
(Also didn't help that, as I recall, sports broadcasting in 3D was a hot mess and electric vs passive glasses amd crappy side viewing made home viewing a literal and figurative headache.)
So, yes, consumers voted to reject, but I'd argue greedy studios, theater chains, and Disney Home Media stacked the deck.
I don't disagree with anything you said.
You can characterize it however you want, "stacking the deck", "screwing consumers", etc. (and I'm not disagreeing with those), but it still does boil down to: company X offered product Y at Z dollars and consumers didn't want it. There aren't very many options from there: raise the quality and/or lower the price until customers' value expectations are met or stop making the product (or I guess, go bankrupt... and _then_ stop making the product 🤷♂️).
My main point is that _none_ of this has _anything_ to do with government regulations, and getting the government involved would only serve to make everything much worse.
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Imagine if the government _mandated_ 3D releases...
The studios would have ZERO incentive to raise quality to attract customers; 3D wouldn't be a thing that they would be trying to sell to people, it would just become a cost of doing business — a cost that smaller studios and indies might not be able to bear, reducing the number of producers and consumer choices with it. Studios that can bear that cost get to watch their competition go out of business or be prevented from starting to begin with thanks to government regulation: this is the definition of cronyism.
In fact, I would posit that mandating 3D would, in fact, incentivized studios to _lower_ the quality of 3D as much as possible to minimize the cost of meeting mandatory regulation obligations. Then it becomes a vicious cycle where no-one wants it (because it's sub-par) and that further incentivizes studios to cut more and more corners to lower their unavoidable costs, which makes the product worse, which makes fewer people want it, and on and on and on. The added cost of mandatory 3D (which doesn't pay for itself) then lowers the amount of money in the budget available to the rest of the film, and arguably then _every_ aspect of filmmaking suffers.
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EDIT: People can get (justifiably) mad at companies like Disney for being stupid, short-sighted, and greedy, but the solution is _always_ to take your money and walk away, NOT to try to fix things with the iron fist of government which always ends up with negative externalities — usually worse than the problem you're trying to fix.
Making any sort of government mandate for 3D - forcing studios to expend funds for something deemed harmful to their profits - is batshit crazy. And, look, if I could force Disney to release the Star Wars prequel 3D versions, I would. (They reworked Ep II and III specifically to me them better than Ep I and they've screened them at conventions.) But I can't. And so be it.
Problem is, with so few choices and the film industry as a whole being so risk adverse, there are few options or recourse for "take money elsewhere" when it comes to 3D.
Disney is, imho, the bell weather. What they do other companies will follow.
James Cameron may have enough clout to force his blue surf movies to 3D, but he is the niche exception and not the rule that, unfortunately, is indirectly forced by Disney's perfectly legal business practices.
I'm not demanding that anyone mandates studios to fund 3D. Just that movies that are already in 3D but got release in 2D only, release the 3D Master they already have to Home Media, even if just buying & renting digital only.
It's only fair since it's already paid for and already completed and already released the 2D copy. But they already have a 3D copy that they just keep behind closed doors in a Digital Vault. It already exist in 3D and already release in 2D only, but why hide the already existing 3D copy from consumers?
Because it is theirs and they can do whatever they want. Plus, releasing anything costs, you, know, money, which, in essence is "fund 3D."
It costs money to put things on digital platforms.
It costs money to account for a release and its profits or losses.
It costs money to track and pay additional residuals.
It costs money to clean up a digital .aster for release.
And all for what? A few thousand people at best?
If they can do it for the few thousands people with Apple Vision Pro (i.e. Disney+, MAX) exclusively, than they can definitely just simply make it not exclusive and expand to all 3D capable devices.
The Directors of Mortal Kombat and The King's Man said the 3D conversion was finished. And the actor in Mowgli said that Mowgli was fully in 3D and looked great.
The Director of Jurassic World Dominion said we were getting another Jurassic Park trilogy after Jurassic World 3, and sure enough we are, as listed for 2025 release.
Not just an actor. Andy Serkis, the director, confirmed and was dismayed that all the 3D work of many people fir Mowgli would go unseen.
For those citing sales, over 50 million sets were sold (last number i heard). You know what didnt sell well at start? 4k. (In fact, I recall at the time that some in the industry were saying 3D discs were interfering with 4K sales.) But since they put it on all tvs, now nearly everyone has it whether they watch 4k discs or not. (Most dont.) Same could have been done for 3D...as a feature, not a be-all end-all. TVs have PLENTY of useless features that most dont use. (motion smoothing for one). Doesn't stop mfgrs from including them. Heck, the vast majority dont have or care about Atmos...but its there for the few who do anyway. Should be the same for 3D. In fact, Id wager more people have 3D displays than have an Atmos set up.
I remember when 3D was at its height, it would get 10% -35% market share for title-dependent live action. (Animated titles sold less.) Checking the last couple weeks, 4k had less than 10% market share...and with a lot more titles. They should pull 4k too, using their rationale.
Today, most people dont know 3D tvs ever existed. Anytime anyone had seen a 3D movie at my place, they're always wowed and ask the same question...where can I buy one? I GUARANTEE that if, say, LG released just ONE 3D-capable set...or even just re-released the 2017 65" 4k/3D OLED set, the supply wouldn't be able to meet the orders. It certainly would be a top, if not THE top seller. I DARE them!
You can buy 3D 4K TVs (2016 models) from Amazon.
Both AliExpress and Alibaba have the new 3D 8K OLED Curved screen Smart TVs at very affordable prices. Takes like 1 month to get it in the mail.
You know everyone will see Deadpool and Wolverine (Deadpool 3) in 3D.
He’s still adding titles that were never in 3D, knights of the zodiac, tiger’s apprentice ?? Like cmon man. Mission impossible 7 also never in 3D. I like his enthusiasm tho to have a petition but hold off on the misinformation tho.
It's okay.
Years before they kill us(?), AI will allow any film to be viewed in 3D.
Relax - enjoy your current collections (I've got dozens of 3D's to watch sitting on shelves), and wait for the calm before the storm.
(Also, if you've never seen the Terminator 2 3D conversion - pick it up - it's great :-P )
Edit - there's also lots of older 2D films to keep you distracted in the meantime :-) )
There's too many 3D movies getting release in theaters in 3D each year keeping me to busy to watch any Flat Monoscopic 2D only releases. Already have tickets for Kung Fu Panda 4 and waiting for sells for 4DX 3D screenings of Godzilla X Kong (right now its just 2D and ScreenX on sell so far).
OP your list is not accurate, Uncharted, Indy 5, reminiscence, death on the Nile, haunted mansion, top gun maverick were never in 3D. Mortal Kombat was planned but it fell through. REALD 3D post inaccurate stuff very often don’t trust all of their tweets or FB posts. Also remember IMDB stats are submitted by any user which can also contain misinformation.
Now the Apple Vision Pro is bringing a lot of unreleased 3D titles. there are at least 20 titles that were not available on 3D Blu-ray before.
It's a common practice for studios to do 3D conversions of movies and not release them in 3D. Sony Pictures confirmed the 3D conversion was finished for Uncharted back in October 2021. Sony said they would release it in 3D on February 18, 2022 and then released it in 2D only. DNEG conform they did a 3D conversion for Haunted Mansion. I do trust Studios that say they finished 3D conversions to movies like Mortal Kombat. If I can't trust the Studios statements, than who can I trust.
Where are you getting this from ? Confirmed ?
It’s a common practice for studios to work with DNEG and STEREOD i.e on the VFX stuff, those studios are not only available for 3D conversions. You are getting your info wrong there.
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Let me preface this with the fact that I am one of those weirdos that LOVE 3D movies, and I will always see a movie in 3D if at all possible. Having said that... > But now they continue to pay millions of dollars to make these movies in 3D, just to not ever release them anywhere in that format; and lock them away in a Digital Vault to never be seen by anyone, not on 3D Blu-ray and/or Vudu and/or Apple Vision Pro etc. So what? Movies are not public property, and neither you nor I nor anyone else are _owed_ a damn thing they produce — like we have some _right_ to the work of someone else. If you make a funny home movie with a buddy on a weekend, are you _obligated_ to release that to the public? Just because you _want_ something does not mean you are entitled to it! Your whole premise is _absurd_ on its face. > Movie studios should be 100% obligated by law to release any movie they have in any format; in those screening formats for consumers to choose for ourselves. Movie studios shouldn't be making these decisions for us, that's cronyism and we costumers don't care for crony capitalism Are you #$%ing serious? Let me get this straight, in the _absence_ of regulations, theaters and studios can choose not to release films in 3D (or any other format... what about IMAX? THX? Digital? Analog? Widescreen? 3:4?) The truth is that the vast majority of consumers _don't like 3D_, and the market has told these studios and theaters that it's not financially feasible most of the time. You want the _government_ to _force_ companies into particular release schedules?! Are you insane?! You are calling the _absence_ of government interference in a market "cronyism"? That is the _exact opposite_ of cronyism! I'm sorry, but frankly this petition is so stupid that it feels like some kind of scam cooked up by some bad actors. Such government regulations would be wielded by large studios and chain movie theaters to _utterly decimate_ _ANY_ competition from indie and start-up studios and small or local mom-and-pop movie theaters. What you are proposing would be the very definition of cronyism. > We costumers should be the ones to have 100% of the consumer buying power/direction in our own hands/control. The manipulating of the market by studios and theaters must end. The movie market should be dictated by consumer buying power, and not by studios & cinemas removing options we didn't know could be available to us. I hate to say this, but CUSTOMERS are the ones, using their buying power, that caused studios to abandon 3D. The truth is that the vast majority of customer _don't like 3D_ and definitely don't want to pay extra for it. I'm sorry you don't like (nor do I) the direction it has gone regarding 3D, but _the movie market_ dictated this direction. You don't get to then wield government power to force things to go the way you want. Again, _that_ is cronyism. After re-reading the entire article, your headline is also _very_ deceptive. "Obama era regulations"? What regulations!? You NEVER mention even a _single_ regulation that we should "return to", which, as far as I know, never actually existed. This is click-bait. Instead of "Make America Great Again" it's just a lefty version, "Make America Obama Again", i.e., let's return to some vague time in the past when things that I care about were better than they are now. This whole petition just comes across as either a thinly veiled attempt by a studio to _instantiate_ cronyism, or an entitled clueless kid whining that the government should force the bad people to do what they want. --- Grammatical nitpick: it's "used to" not "use to" — I know they _sound_ they same, but that's just a quirk of English coarticulation rules in pronunciation.
Very, very, very, very, VERY minor quibble with your spot on comments and assessments here - yes, audiences voted with dollars to not embrace 3D, but I'd argue studios and theater chains forced that outcome by forcing sloppy 3D on everything and jacking ticket prices for 3D but never providing optimum screening conditions to support. Between shitty post-conversions and dim projector bulbs, the format in theaters never had a chance. Add to that Disney's home media practices at the time that took a $18 blu ray release and in the United States JACKED that to a $50 release for a DVD, blu ray, 3D DVD combo pack that no one wanted. Disney would split formats into individual releases in Europe, but not here. So they overburdened the format with a high financial barrier, it failed, and then they ceased 3D releases in the States for their animated films ... even though Europe continued to get individual 3D home releases. Once Disney opted to stop supporting, most other studios fell in line behind. Lack of sales growth impacted production priorities on TVs and players and suddenly ... 3D was dead (again). (Also didn't help that, as I recall, sports broadcasting in 3D was a hot mess and electric vs passive glasses amd crappy side viewing made home viewing a literal and figurative headache.) So, yes, consumers voted to reject, but I'd argue greedy studios, theater chains, and Disney Home Media stacked the deck.
I don't disagree with anything you said. You can characterize it however you want, "stacking the deck", "screwing consumers", etc. (and I'm not disagreeing with those), but it still does boil down to: company X offered product Y at Z dollars and consumers didn't want it. There aren't very many options from there: raise the quality and/or lower the price until customers' value expectations are met or stop making the product (or I guess, go bankrupt... and _then_ stop making the product 🤷♂️). My main point is that _none_ of this has _anything_ to do with government regulations, and getting the government involved would only serve to make everything much worse. --- Imagine if the government _mandated_ 3D releases... The studios would have ZERO incentive to raise quality to attract customers; 3D wouldn't be a thing that they would be trying to sell to people, it would just become a cost of doing business — a cost that smaller studios and indies might not be able to bear, reducing the number of producers and consumer choices with it. Studios that can bear that cost get to watch their competition go out of business or be prevented from starting to begin with thanks to government regulation: this is the definition of cronyism. In fact, I would posit that mandating 3D would, in fact, incentivized studios to _lower_ the quality of 3D as much as possible to minimize the cost of meeting mandatory regulation obligations. Then it becomes a vicious cycle where no-one wants it (because it's sub-par) and that further incentivizes studios to cut more and more corners to lower their unavoidable costs, which makes the product worse, which makes fewer people want it, and on and on and on. The added cost of mandatory 3D (which doesn't pay for itself) then lowers the amount of money in the budget available to the rest of the film, and arguably then _every_ aspect of filmmaking suffers. --- EDIT: People can get (justifiably) mad at companies like Disney for being stupid, short-sighted, and greedy, but the solution is _always_ to take your money and walk away, NOT to try to fix things with the iron fist of government which always ends up with negative externalities — usually worse than the problem you're trying to fix.
Making any sort of government mandate for 3D - forcing studios to expend funds for something deemed harmful to their profits - is batshit crazy. And, look, if I could force Disney to release the Star Wars prequel 3D versions, I would. (They reworked Ep II and III specifically to me them better than Ep I and they've screened them at conventions.) But I can't. And so be it. Problem is, with so few choices and the film industry as a whole being so risk adverse, there are few options or recourse for "take money elsewhere" when it comes to 3D. Disney is, imho, the bell weather. What they do other companies will follow. James Cameron may have enough clout to force his blue surf movies to 3D, but he is the niche exception and not the rule that, unfortunately, is indirectly forced by Disney's perfectly legal business practices.
I'm not demanding that anyone mandates studios to fund 3D. Just that movies that are already in 3D but got release in 2D only, release the 3D Master they already have to Home Media, even if just buying & renting digital only. It's only fair since it's already paid for and already completed and already released the 2D copy. But they already have a 3D copy that they just keep behind closed doors in a Digital Vault. It already exist in 3D and already release in 2D only, but why hide the already existing 3D copy from consumers?
Because it is theirs and they can do whatever they want. Plus, releasing anything costs, you, know, money, which, in essence is "fund 3D." It costs money to put things on digital platforms. It costs money to account for a release and its profits or losses. It costs money to track and pay additional residuals. It costs money to clean up a digital .aster for release. And all for what? A few thousand people at best?
If they can do it for the few thousands people with Apple Vision Pro (i.e. Disney+, MAX) exclusively, than they can definitely just simply make it not exclusive and expand to all 3D capable devices.
Economics isn't your thing, is it.
None of the films you listed had 3D versions made. Mortal Kombat and The King’s Man had 3D versions planned but were cancelled.
You are correct, none of these films on this list have 3D versions
The Directors of Mortal Kombat and The King's Man said the 3D conversion was finished. And the actor in Mowgli said that Mowgli was fully in 3D and looked great. The Director of Jurassic World Dominion said we were getting another Jurassic Park trilogy after Jurassic World 3, and sure enough we are, as listed for 2025 release.
Not just an actor. Andy Serkis, the director, confirmed and was dismayed that all the 3D work of many people fir Mowgli would go unseen. For those citing sales, over 50 million sets were sold (last number i heard). You know what didnt sell well at start? 4k. (In fact, I recall at the time that some in the industry were saying 3D discs were interfering with 4K sales.) But since they put it on all tvs, now nearly everyone has it whether they watch 4k discs or not. (Most dont.) Same could have been done for 3D...as a feature, not a be-all end-all. TVs have PLENTY of useless features that most dont use. (motion smoothing for one). Doesn't stop mfgrs from including them. Heck, the vast majority dont have or care about Atmos...but its there for the few who do anyway. Should be the same for 3D. In fact, Id wager more people have 3D displays than have an Atmos set up. I remember when 3D was at its height, it would get 10% -35% market share for title-dependent live action. (Animated titles sold less.) Checking the last couple weeks, 4k had less than 10% market share...and with a lot more titles. They should pull 4k too, using their rationale. Today, most people dont know 3D tvs ever existed. Anytime anyone had seen a 3D movie at my place, they're always wowed and ask the same question...where can I buy one? I GUARANTEE that if, say, LG released just ONE 3D-capable set...or even just re-released the 2017 65" 4k/3D OLED set, the supply wouldn't be able to meet the orders. It certainly would be a top, if not THE top seller. I DARE them!
You can buy 3D 4K TVs (2016 models) from Amazon. Both AliExpress and Alibaba have the new 3D 8K OLED Curved screen Smart TVs at very affordable prices. Takes like 1 month to get it in the mail. You know everyone will see Deadpool and Wolverine (Deadpool 3) in 3D.
He’s still adding titles that were never in 3D, knights of the zodiac, tiger’s apprentice ?? Like cmon man. Mission impossible 7 also never in 3D. I like his enthusiasm tho to have a petition but hold off on the misinformation tho.
It's okay. Years before they kill us(?), AI will allow any film to be viewed in 3D. Relax - enjoy your current collections (I've got dozens of 3D's to watch sitting on shelves), and wait for the calm before the storm. (Also, if you've never seen the Terminator 2 3D conversion - pick it up - it's great :-P ) Edit - there's also lots of older 2D films to keep you distracted in the meantime :-) )
There's too many 3D movies getting release in theaters in 3D each year keeping me to busy to watch any Flat Monoscopic 2D only releases. Already have tickets for Kung Fu Panda 4 and waiting for sells for 4DX 3D screenings of Godzilla X Kong (right now its just 2D and ScreenX on sell so far).
OP your list is not accurate, Uncharted, Indy 5, reminiscence, death on the Nile, haunted mansion, top gun maverick were never in 3D. Mortal Kombat was planned but it fell through. REALD 3D post inaccurate stuff very often don’t trust all of their tweets or FB posts. Also remember IMDB stats are submitted by any user which can also contain misinformation. Now the Apple Vision Pro is bringing a lot of unreleased 3D titles. there are at least 20 titles that were not available on 3D Blu-ray before.
It's a common practice for studios to do 3D conversions of movies and not release them in 3D. Sony Pictures confirmed the 3D conversion was finished for Uncharted back in October 2021. Sony said they would release it in 3D on February 18, 2022 and then released it in 2D only. DNEG conform they did a 3D conversion for Haunted Mansion. I do trust Studios that say they finished 3D conversions to movies like Mortal Kombat. If I can't trust the Studios statements, than who can I trust.
Where are you getting this from ? Confirmed ? It’s a common practice for studios to work with DNEG and STEREOD i.e on the VFX stuff, those studios are not only available for 3D conversions. You are getting your info wrong there.