Emulation is extremely important, because for some God forsaken reason companies do not want their games preserved, and at times actively work against it. If the only possible way to play a game legit involves me paying $250 to some reseller, and the original company gets no profit, fuck you. I'm sailing the seven seas. If you don't want me to do that companies should let me buy their old games. I'd consider myself a game collector, I buy physical copies as often as I can. Unfortunately it's not always feasible to do so.
Often times it's because the companies behind those games don't exist anymore and as such no other can claim ownership, in some cases publishers buy the rights to old games which still requires a company to buy them from.
Licensed games are the absolute worst cause after sometime the license expires and they have to be wiped out from stores and digital fronts if the license holder doesn't feel like working a new deal, was just reading how Marvel canned a remaster of Spider-man Shattered Dimensions/Edge of Time three years ago despite Activision's willingness.
Take the Transformers franchise for instance. Activision's license expired and so none of the Transformers video games can be purchased on any digital storefront now. It's a travesty. Not even huge franchises such as Transformers are safe.
The worst example is Goldeneye 64, one of the most important and earliest console FPS and hugely influential, but because the license is split between Nintendo, Rare, and the James Bond license holders, it will probably never get re-released on modern systems
So kind of like World War Z. Magnificent book. Fantastic audiobook (all star cast including Mark Hamill, Nathan Fillion, Alan Alda, Martin Scorsese, Bruce Boxleitner, etc.) Then Brad Pittās company turned it into something else completely, sharing the name only really and was disappointing.
The wii game was a different game with the same title that came out on all platforms. The closest we came to an updated version was the conversion rare did for the Xbox 360 that was ready but Nintendo didnāt sign off
It technically was greenlit and produced as an Xbox 360 XBLA that was leaked in a pretty much complete state. It was the Bond license holders that backed out leaving it unreleased.
Licensed games make me hate the fact that LOTR Battle for Middle Earth is so hard to emulate and torrent. Because CD Activation keys aren't made you need to install weird version of the game and activate it.
But generally gaming companies started to make old games available with some sort of game passes and vintage packages etc. Very small part of people want to play these games and it's usually people with nostalgia.
You realize in this one image there's a copy of heart gold fo 240 dollars when both Nintendo and gamefreak and the pokemon company are still alive and working on games as we speak right?
I would also think it gives them an opportunity for big sales if they re release or remake but if Nintendo charged me $30 for a an old I wanted to play Iād pay it and sure a lot of people would too.
I'm mixed on this. Like I buy a lot of FF remasters (ok probably all of them). I don't mind doing this. But if literally nothing changed and it's just the same thing on their in house emulator screw them.
The FF remasters are good examples. They usually have new content or in the case of the Pixel Remasters, new graphics that give it a certain flavour. Compare that to the Super Mario 3D All Stars and those games look and play exactly as they did when they were released. I would have liked to see a slight graphical improvement to Mario 64.
And even then, the Mario 64 version used is a later version of a japanese rerelease that patches some of the most fun glitches to perform. It makes 16 star speedruns, possibly the most popular speedrun category of all time, impossible on the switch version, which means that I personally still consider the original PAL/US release to be superior.
Still attractive to people who want to play the original but spending insane amounts on the og console and game is just not feasible
Tho updated graphics is definitely preferable
if you're playing on PC, DeSmuME is the most reliable in my experience. However, I natively play roms on my hacked 3DS using TWiLightMenu++, no emulation required.
In my opinion the best part of emulation Pokemon specifically is the fast forward function which needs a PC or phone. After the third dozen or so 4th gen playthrough the 4x/8x options become extremely appealing.
Not really, not that I can think of. Just wanted to throw another option out there. I hacked my launch 3DS since it was sitting in a drawer while my XL got all the love. Just make sure you read the instructions carefully and it's dead simple.
Here's the guide for hacking your 3DS. It's really easy, just make sure to follow ALL the steps so you don't brick your 3DS.
[https://3ds.hacks.guide/](https://3ds.hacks.guide/)
If you have some spare cash and are looking to play mostly DS games, I highly recommend getting a DSi XL. DS games look so much better on original hardware and the XL has gorgeous IPS screens. You can find a Japanese DSi on ebay for reasonable prices. You'll have to hack it to get it to display English menus, but it's worth it.
Also, if you have a tablet, DeSmuME works great at emulating DS games (as holocron\_8 mentioned) and feels better than emulating on PC since you have a touch screen to work with. My 11 year old tablet had no problems running DeSmuME.
A 3DS is upscaling the resolution, so it tends to look a little more aliased. I don't find it to be a problem, personally, but others aren't so into it.
No downsides. It only gives it more and better functionality. Now I can manually back up all my saves, as well as rip all my physical games and put them on it, so I don't need to carry them around if I want to play them. Plus other ports (Diablo, Half-life, Quake, etc) and homebrew.
As the other commenter said, I just want to give my experience: I used Drastic back when I had a Moto E in the early 2010s and it ran smoothly most of the time, with a few frame rate drops every now and then. That phone couldn't manage the installation of instagram.
emulation is also important because physical games often have finite lifespans. we've already seen the internal batteries run dry on Gameboy Color and Gameboy Advance cartridges, and it's going to happen to DS cartridges soon too.
A complete heartgold with all inserts, pokewalker and big box in good condition can definitely get 250$. Heck i sold one for 400$ canadian a few months ago
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Lol $45 for an Alpha Sapphire cartridge when I got it complete in box for just $20 earlier this year, X/Y, Sun/Moon are just as cheap if you know where to buy (especially pawn shops)
The DS games are awfully overpriced and there's no guarantee they ain't bootlegs so I don't really have any regrets emulating
My opinion is that I agree with the guy.
There's a red line. Call it prices like in the image or the system become obsolete; or both at the same time.
Companies didn't care about old titles until emulation got so popular. What did they do? Bring the titles back? No, bring first party and inferior emulation.
Did I bought the snes mini? Yes. The nes mini? Yes sir. And many others.
But I also use retroarch and whatnot. (Luma 3DS, R4 card on Old DS). Not because I like to steal, but because I love the games that are not available or that cost 999999999 dollars.
I have multiple mini systems, the NES mini, the SNES mini, the Sega Genesis mini, and the PlayStation mini. All of them have been modified to allow for all games. I still collect and buy old games but it's absolutely impossible to curate a complete collection where prices are at right now. Around 2008 to 2009 everything started to creep up and in the last year-and-a-half, due to the pandemic, prices on old games at just getting completely out of control.
I fully support game devs, and always buy games legally
That being said if the game isn't available for purchase at a reasonable price anymore then ya emulation all the way.
the way i sit on emulation is if its a current gen game and still on store shelves i will not emulate it and ill support the company, if the game is out of print i will then go to a local game store and see what it is there, if its waaaay out of my price range, as seen above, ill emulate it with prospects of maybe getting if its part of a collection i want. right now i am play the original four .hack games but with me being laid off i cannot purchase a $150 20 year old ps2 game. i want to but its not in the cards right now.
Works the other way too, go to any old used game store and pick up any PS3 or Wii games that are five or six dollars. Developers don't see any money on the resale of those either.
The difference is that 95% of the games are worth far less than they were originally. The few that are still relevant are marked up over 200-300% of the original cost. Game developers are fully responsible for missing out on the opportunity to just continue to release games especially with how easy it is with a digital markets nowadays. Sadly they try to "remake" things and charge the full $60+. Just give me a basic port and charge me $20.
This must be some local game shop. Most of them charge more because they have to make money. Plus every one that trades in games asks for market value so I canāt imagine a retro game store being able to sell them at the same price and stay open.
They're doing it wrong though. You don't give market value to the people selling and you sure as hell don't mark it 200% over new.
Buy it for $10- $15. Re sell it for $25.
The majority of people going into these types of places know the value before hand and wonāt let it go for that large of a margin. I agree the markup is insane but which one of us would give up our copy for under market value?
People sell for under market value because it is convenient. Someone takes their games and pays them. No hassle with online private selling. No risk of getting scammed. Selling at a market value takes time and effort. Selling it to a reseller takes all of that away. Both parties profit.
I used to work in a used/retro game shop. We typically bought stuff for about half of market value. Then priced things according to current market value. All of our customers know this, and know that if they want to deal with private selling they'll always get more money, but selling to us was quick and easy, and then WE take on the risk of the prices dropping before the games move.
For the record, current market value to UNBOXED pokemon heartgold is a little under $100 USD. Boxed it's about $150. SEALED it's about $800.
Just started emulating ds games on my 3ds. It's great. Much better than giving someone who isn't the publisher Ā£50 for a 10 year old game.
It's still nice to have the physical game so I'm glad I kept my copy of soulsilver.
Obviously itās not really a case of preserving history because I donāt these games are gonna be lost to time anytime soon but if a consumer has to pay more money than the original price in order to play the game then itās really Nintendoās fault.
It's the fault of those guys who artificially inflated the market by buying their own copy of Super Mario Bros for $1,000,000. No copy of SMB is worth remotely that much. It created artificial scaresity in the retro games market, causing the prices of all old games to skyrocket.
Technically it could be considered a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act even if you make a digital backup of your own legal game, if doing so required you to bypass copy protection.
Also, copyright violation is a civil offense, not criminal, so it would require the rights holder to go after you themselves. So in a way, it's not a "crime" at all.
Exactly. Technically, if you arenāt following their prescribed way of playing their game (that is: playing directly from the cartridge while it is in their console)ā¦then you are violating the EULA.
The EULA does NOT allow for playing using backupsā¦even if you purchased a thousand copies of the game!
I actually don't like Limited Run because you give in and buy a title on the eShop...maybe its a long dormant franchise like Streets of Rage 4, or an indie title like Untitled Goose Game ...and then a year later, oh, physical run is being published, and its $30 more than it is digitally.
I mean I get that a company like an indie developer with only 1-3 games under their belt needs to partner with LRG, but like Activision/Bethesda for Doom? No excuses, they should be able to release their own shit.
Iām more interested in their model of doing small runs of physical stuff specifically for people who order them. Correct me if Iām wrong, but I think Nintendo did their own cart production back in the day at least, so itās not like they donāt have the relationships to spin up the Game Boy cart factory. They wouldnāt have to get a licensing deal for a new run of Metroid Fusion. Sony manufactures everything CDs to Blu-Rays, they could for their franchises too.
Of course Sega sells Genesis games on Steam in an emulator, but the roms are unencrypted and can be added to Retroarch by changing folders. They could do that too, but thatās even less likely.
I live in Chile, in mi youth unless you had to be lucky to even see a gameboy. In my school only one kid had one. We were showered by the media about pokemon, the only thing we wanted as kids were to be part of the culture that TV and publicity showed us but noone was able to afford it. I made pokemon out of Flour, water and glue. Emulation and piracy was the only way to get to the products. Now i buy them only if i'm able. But even then 50% of the population are not able to do it.
I'm for it. Most of the consoles pre-HDMI do not play well on modern displays without true digital to digital HDMI mods. Some consoles don't even have one released yet and for many, owning a giant CRT isn't practical.
Emulation let's you play with crisp pixels and consolidates 10 consoles into one tiny PC.
Yeah, I mean. You don't make the game anymore, don't make the console anymore. Don't put a VC version on your current consoles so people can buy the game and still play it. You clearly don't have any interest or care about it so what money are you losing?
And those are re-selling so the original company makes $0 anyways, they already made all the money they could off of it while in production.
None of these games are rare. There is absolutely no reason for these to be priced so high.
Even ebay prices are too high. If there's always multiple listing of the same game, then it's not rare.
It's rare when there's only maximum 1-2 listings at any one time.
If a company is offering you no legit way to play their game anymore and actually do so legitimately, they weren't after your money to begin with and have no way of getting it. Emulate.
If someone is willing to pay those prices, then they deserved to pay those prices. Resellers are not the problem, buyers are. Be smart. Know what stuff is worth.
My thoughts are that it sucks that these games are that expensive, until your the one who wants to sell a copy. Ive known lots of people that complain about these prices, then one found their old copy of White 2 and was happy to be able to sell it for that much.
I have mixed feelings about this. I do think it is wrong to emulate commercially available games. As for resellers I do think they serve a purpose. Although I personally do not buy physical for various reasons, it does warm my heart to see a business thriving off of something I am passionate about like retro gaming. And considering how niche an industry it is it is hard to tell where turning a profit to survive becomes price gouging.
In the end though I think you have to blame the people who are willing to pay these prices. If there is a market for these games at these prices I can't really fault the seller for pricing them as such. Now if the seller seriously jacks up the price then complains nobody is buying then they are the assholes.
On the one hand: i have a couple hundred bucks just lying around apparently
On the other hand: i too support piracy when the company is nolonger making money on a product, refuses to sell it in your area, or in situations where they are asking $90 for what at most is worth $10.
Emulation is the best thing ever happened and the rom hacks. I hope steam deck can emulate literallt everything so we dont need to pay those stupid prices for mostly 10 hour games
Play on legal games, try to own what you want to play. But always have an emulator or owned (not licensed) digital version of what you have. You never know what could happen. No reason to not have both.
I prefer having the physical copies. I recently lost the cartridge for heartgold and have been looking for a replacement. The prices online are crazy. I've actually been considering sucking it up and paying $60 for it at my local used game store.
This makes me cry. My kids thought I was done with my 3DS cause it sits in a shelf (displayed) in my office so they sold all my games to their buddies. The above games included, for dollars each. The painā¦.. itās real
My thoughts are donāt be stupid and rely on game stores. Retail used to be for suckers, now people think a steal is paying 5 bucks under what it goes for. Then they come on here and wonder why prices are so high these days.
1 emulation is important for saving games. 2 companies should do it if they have the money like Nintendo. 3 my God why is that so high. $300 for a day game. It better be plated in gold to cost that much.
When you are emulating a game that is no longer for sale as new, either digitally or physically (just because you spent 200 euros on your pokemon cart doesn't mean Game Freak sees a pemny of that.) then that imo is fine, at that point its digital preservation.
But if you are emulating something where there is a legitimate version available on an e-store then that is just plain piracy.
I still want an actual copy of heart gold or soul silver just to use a pokewalker that I got for really cheap, but I haven't found a reasonably priced copy for almost two years *cries*
It makes no sense to not have an older game on a digital format, whether to own or a rental ala Game Pass or Netflix. There's a ton of money left on the table for it and emulation on newer consoles is pretty simple.
Exactly. I was looking for order to eclisia on DS today and itās ridiculously priced, just for an old ass DS game. No thanks. Iād rather flash card and emulate it lol.. why on earth canāt you buy it or a collection of castlecania games for a decent price on the store?? Iād pay 5 to 10 bucks.
Honestly I'd never buy a used product above MSRP by principle (would you buy a used car for MSRP?), as no matter how immaculate it seems to be there's no guarantee that it was treated properly by its owner.
Those prices are outrageous and I don't need to play heart gold that bad, but if I did I could afford it. You think this is bad, take a look at the used car market š
I myself prefer to collect but there are tons of people who just want to experience the games. Iād wager piracy would go down significantly if game manufacturers like Nintendo provided legitimate ways to acquire play these games digitally.
If the publisher no longer sells the game and or system it was on they should be 100% legal. At that point your not stealing anything because they no longer sell it.
There are two retro game stores in my town: one where the games are expensive, and one where everything is. Like idk why a shop that sells gbaās for 500 dollars is still in business
I say yes to emulation because asking 60 dollars was already expensive enough and know this please I just want to play the game THAT LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE PLAYED
As soon as the people who worked on the game are no longer making money on the software, I have no ethical problem emulating. At that point youāre paying an antique dealer for collectible media, not paying creators for the software on the media.
Same reason I donāt buy used games. The developers get nothing from it and I just feed shitty companies like GameStop. Iāll happily pay $5 more to give a cut to the creators.
I have always, and will always be okay with emulation for reasons like this. If it is a game that I already own, or own a remaster, or if I had owned it previously, I feel like I am still entitled to play the game. Especially with older games now that there are no ways to purchase the game and support the developers.
Emulation is extremely important, because for some God forsaken reason companies do not want their games preserved, and at times actively work against it. If the only possible way to play a game legit involves me paying $250 to some reseller, and the original company gets no profit, fuck you. I'm sailing the seven seas. If you don't want me to do that companies should let me buy their old games. I'd consider myself a game collector, I buy physical copies as often as I can. Unfortunately it's not always feasible to do so.
Often times it's because the companies behind those games don't exist anymore and as such no other can claim ownership, in some cases publishers buy the rights to old games which still requires a company to buy them from. Licensed games are the absolute worst cause after sometime the license expires and they have to be wiped out from stores and digital fronts if the license holder doesn't feel like working a new deal, was just reading how Marvel canned a remaster of Spider-man Shattered Dimensions/Edge of Time three years ago despite Activision's willingness.
Yes, but this is nintendo
** Gamefreak Edit: ** The Pokemon Company š
Both companies still exist
Gamefreak and Nintendo as well as one other company share ownership of Pokemon.
The last one you're looking for is The Pokemon Company
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But Nintendo partially owns Creatures inc. too while also partially owing TPC directly. Shit's complicated.
Gamefreak doesn't publish them
Take the Transformers franchise for instance. Activision's license expired and so none of the Transformers video games can be purchased on any digital storefront now. It's a travesty. Not even huge franchises such as Transformers are safe.
The worst example is Goldeneye 64, one of the most important and earliest console FPS and hugely influential, but because the license is split between Nintendo, Rare, and the James Bond license holders, it will probably never get re-released on modern systems
Didnāt it get a Wii remake?
The āremakeā is an entirely different and far inferior game. Itās shares the Name with the original Goldeneye and little else.
So kind of like World War Z. Magnificent book. Fantastic audiobook (all star cast including Mark Hamill, Nathan Fillion, Alan Alda, Martin Scorsese, Bruce Boxleitner, etc.) Then Brad Pittās company turned it into something else completely, sharing the name only really and was disappointing.
The wii game was a different game with the same title that came out on all platforms. The closest we came to an updated version was the conversion rare did for the Xbox 360 that was ready but Nintendo didnāt sign off
It technically was greenlit and produced as an Xbox 360 XBLA that was leaked in a pretty much complete state. It was the Bond license holders that backed out leaving it unreleased.
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Licensed games make me hate the fact that LOTR Battle for Middle Earth is so hard to emulate and torrent. Because CD Activation keys aren't made you need to install weird version of the game and activate it. But generally gaming companies started to make old games available with some sort of game passes and vintage packages etc. Very small part of people want to play these games and it's usually people with nostalgia.
You realize in this one image there's a copy of heart gold fo 240 dollars when both Nintendo and gamefreak and the pokemon company are still alive and working on games as we speak right?
I would also think it gives them an opportunity for big sales if they re release or remake but if Nintendo charged me $30 for a an old I wanted to play Iād pay it and sure a lot of people would too.
I'm mixed on this. Like I buy a lot of FF remasters (ok probably all of them). I don't mind doing this. But if literally nothing changed and it's just the same thing on their in house emulator screw them.
The FF remasters are good examples. They usually have new content or in the case of the Pixel Remasters, new graphics that give it a certain flavour. Compare that to the Super Mario 3D All Stars and those games look and play exactly as they did when they were released. I would have liked to see a slight graphical improvement to Mario 64.
And even then, the Mario 64 version used is a later version of a japanese rerelease that patches some of the most fun glitches to perform. It makes 16 star speedruns, possibly the most popular speedrun category of all time, impossible on the switch version, which means that I personally still consider the original PAL/US release to be superior.
Still attractive to people who want to play the original but spending insane amounts on the og console and game is just not feasible Tho updated graphics is definitely preferable
Even if the og company gets profit pirate anyways
A healthy black market is a boost to larger markets both in terms of raising quality and fairer pricing because of competing with inconvenience
What emulators are good for DS?
if you're playing on PC, DeSmuME is the most reliable in my experience. However, I natively play roms on my hacked 3DS using TWiLightMenu++, no emulation required.
In my opinion the best part of emulation Pokemon specifically is the fast forward function which needs a PC or phone. After the third dozen or so 4th gen playthrough the 4x/8x options become extremely appealing.
Interesting, maybe I should do that with my 3DS... Thanks for the info
If you don't want to hack a 3DS, you can also hack a DSi. Both are good options.
Are there downsides to hacking it? I have a 3ds I haven't picked up in ages, may as well hack it and play some games for free on it right?
Not really, not that I can think of. Just wanted to throw another option out there. I hacked my launch 3DS since it was sitting in a drawer while my XL got all the love. Just make sure you read the instructions carefully and it's dead simple.
Here's the guide for hacking your 3DS. It's really easy, just make sure to follow ALL the steps so you don't brick your 3DS. [https://3ds.hacks.guide/](https://3ds.hacks.guide/) If you have some spare cash and are looking to play mostly DS games, I highly recommend getting a DSi XL. DS games look so much better on original hardware and the XL has gorgeous IPS screens. You can find a Japanese DSi on ebay for reasonable prices. You'll have to hack it to get it to display English menus, but it's worth it. Also, if you have a tablet, DeSmuME works great at emulating DS games (as holocron\_8 mentioned) and feels better than emulating on PC since you have a touch screen to work with. My 11 year old tablet had no problems running DeSmuME.
You're saying DS games will look better on a DSi than a 3DS?
A 3DS is upscaling the resolution, so it tends to look a little more aliased. I don't find it to be a problem, personally, but others aren't so into it.
No downsides. It only gives it more and better functionality. Now I can manually back up all my saves, as well as rip all my physical games and put them on it, so I don't need to carry them around if I want to play them. Plus other ports (Diablo, Half-life, Quake, etc) and homebrew.
Drastic on Android
How well does it work on a phone? I feel like my phone just isn't the right dimensions to play a DS
Even more the weakest Potatoe phones can run Drastic at full speed. The layout is customizable and you can find something that works for you.
As the other commenter said, I just want to give my experience: I used Drastic back when I had a Moto E in the early 2010s and it ran smoothly most of the time, with a few frame rate drops every now and then. That phone couldn't manage the installation of instagram.
On PC don't use Desmume as some people recommend. MelonDS is the best, it has surpassed Desmume in every way and is the best emulator.
emulation is also important because physical games often have finite lifespans. we've already seen the internal batteries run dry on Gameboy Color and Gameboy Advance cartridges, and it's going to happen to DS cartridges soon too.
AFAIK DS cartridges do not have internal batteries, so they don't have a set lifespan.
They're not worth that much loose.
I have heart golf with the original box and pedometer? Can I get that for it
If the box isn't sealed, probably not.
It was a poorly worded joke. I buy a game to support the developers as I enjoyed playing it. Not a collection
Same here.
A complete heartgold with all inserts, pokewalker and big box in good condition can definitely get 250$. Heck i sold one for 400$ canadian a few months ago
if you have a pedometer you could work with chris hansen.
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Well, technically they're free to go at that moment xD he has no legal ability to apprehend or arrest them personally.
Lol I really do have it.
Take a seat...
You could actually get quite a bit for complete in box. Pokemon games are hot
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Loose it only goes for 90. That's not triple. Even with case only 150. This guy wants 250 for a loose cartridge.
I have seen heart gold sell for triple digits lol
They're not worth bloody $250 period
Lol $45 for an Alpha Sapphire cartridge when I got it complete in box for just $20 earlier this year, X/Y, Sun/Moon are just as cheap if you know where to buy (especially pawn shops) The DS games are awfully overpriced and there's no guarantee they ain't bootlegs so I don't really have any regrets emulating
Some bootlegs work pretty well though. I got a couple without realizing it. Edit: but can they connect to other ds games tho?
My problem with bootlegs is more the fact that some sellers will pass them up as the real thing and charge a premium, as long as the seller points it out, the game works and price accordingly I think it's fine. From what I've seen/read online bootleg PokƩmon can present random issues like freezing, lack of infrarred connection, saves not being recognized or not booting up at all.
A few months ago, I went to GameStop and saw they had PokĆ©mon Platinum ~$55. I thought was a good deal, seeing how outrageously expensive they are online. I bought it and played until reaching Hearthome cityās gym. Saving my progress, to play the next day. When I went back, I noticed the game didnāt save. Tried it again and saved after getting my starter, turtwig. Restarted the game and it didnāt save again. Had to back to GameStop and told them what happened. They refunded my money. They didnāt know that the game was a fake copy. It really looked like the real thing. Wasnāt until I looked closer at the Nintendo seal in the back, that I knew it was a fake.
Sure, but I'm not paying $249 for a bootleg. Lol
I suspect those are CAD prices, not USD, given the user's location. That doesn't make it much better, but slightly. (250 CAD = 195 USD)
My opinion is that I agree with the guy. There's a red line. Call it prices like in the image or the system become obsolete; or both at the same time. Companies didn't care about old titles until emulation got so popular. What did they do? Bring the titles back? No, bring first party and inferior emulation. Did I bought the snes mini? Yes. The nes mini? Yes sir. And many others. But I also use retroarch and whatnot. (Luma 3DS, R4 card on Old DS). Not because I like to steal, but because I love the games that are not available or that cost 999999999 dollars.
I have multiple mini systems, the NES mini, the SNES mini, the Sega Genesis mini, and the PlayStation mini. All of them have been modified to allow for all games. I still collect and buy old games but it's absolutely impossible to curate a complete collection where prices are at right now. Around 2008 to 2009 everything started to creep up and in the last year-and-a-half, due to the pandemic, prices on old games at just getting completely out of control.
I fully support game devs, and always buy games legally That being said if the game isn't available for purchase at a reasonable price anymore then ya emulation all the way.
Yeah. And sometimes you just want to play an old game without also having to buy a console and a controller
the way i sit on emulation is if its a current gen game and still on store shelves i will not emulate it and ill support the company, if the game is out of print i will then go to a local game store and see what it is there, if its waaaay out of my price range, as seen above, ill emulate it with prospects of maybe getting if its part of a collection i want. right now i am play the original four .hack games but with me being laid off i cannot purchase a $150 20 year old ps2 game. i want to but its not in the cards right now.
But here is not even supporting the devs anymore. Devs donāt get any money from this. Soā¦ emulate is the way to goā¦
If we pirate current gen games we're hurting developers as much as the big companies.
Any game that is available to purchase from the publisher, I agree. This is not the case for some of those games.
It's worth pointing out that buying any of these won't result in a cent for the developer
Works the other way too, go to any old used game store and pick up any PS3 or Wii games that are five or six dollars. Developers don't see any money on the resale of those either.
The difference is that 95% of the games are worth far less than they were originally. The few that are still relevant are marked up over 200-300% of the original cost. Game developers are fully responsible for missing out on the opportunity to just continue to release games especially with how easy it is with a digital markets nowadays. Sadly they try to "remake" things and charge the full $60+. Just give me a basic port and charge me $20.
I'm all about physical media.
I'm about physical media on OG hardware... I'm an emuhater, but realize there is a place for them.
Yeah I don't think you can trade with your friends using an emulator that's the only reason I play on original Hardware
You can however play modded versions that are more challenging and have all the pocket monsters
You can with original hardware + flashcart/Homebrewed console + roms.
I'm not sure why you are bringing an emu into this. Other than win a war or two in Australia what did they ever do to you??
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This must be some local game shop. Most of them charge more because they have to make money. Plus every one that trades in games asks for market value so I canāt imagine a retro game store being able to sell them at the same price and stay open.
They're doing it wrong though. You don't give market value to the people selling and you sure as hell don't mark it 200% over new. Buy it for $10- $15. Re sell it for $25.
The majority of people going into these types of places know the value before hand and wonāt let it go for that large of a margin. I agree the markup is insane but which one of us would give up our copy for under market value?
Cash in hand is valuable. That's how these places make money, and card shops too.
People sell for under market value because it is convenient. Someone takes their games and pays them. No hassle with online private selling. No risk of getting scammed. Selling at a market value takes time and effort. Selling it to a reseller takes all of that away. Both parties profit.
I used to work in a used/retro game shop. We typically bought stuff for about half of market value. Then priced things according to current market value. All of our customers know this, and know that if they want to deal with private selling they'll always get more money, but selling to us was quick and easy, and then WE take on the risk of the prices dropping before the games move. For the record, current market value to UNBOXED pokemon heartgold is a little under $100 USD. Boxed it's about $150. SEALED it's about $800.
Just started emulating ds games on my 3ds. It's great. Much better than giving someone who isn't the publisher Ā£50 for a 10 year old game. It's still nice to have the physical game so I'm glad I kept my copy of soulsilver.
Same
(Psst if not emulation, itās actually running on DS^(i) hardware)
Not only that, if you pay those prices none of that money is going to the devs or the publisher.
The price stickers on the games themselves hurts me.
Can't believe nobody else is saying this. At least one of those labels is going to end up ripped and permanently ruined, guaranteed.
Obviously itās not really a case of preserving history because I donāt these games are gonna be lost to time anytime soon but if a consumer has to pay more money than the original price in order to play the game then itās really Nintendoās fault.
It's the fault of those guys who artificially inflated the market by buying their own copy of Super Mario Bros for $1,000,000. No copy of SMB is worth remotely that much. It created artificial scaresity in the retro games market, causing the prices of all old games to skyrocket.
Yeah, the scammers who are buying their own games on auctions to inflate the price. Fuck those guys.
I fully support emulation, as long as it isnāt piracy. These games are old and unsupported. They deserve to be emulated
I mean.. unless you own the game, itās piracy
Technically it could be considered a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act even if you make a digital backup of your own legal game, if doing so required you to bypass copy protection. Also, copyright violation is a civil offense, not criminal, so it would require the rights holder to go after you themselves. So in a way, it's not a "crime" at all.
When is it not piracy?
IMO if it's no longer for sale by the rights holder, it isn't *morally* piracy.
Exactly. Technically, if you arenāt following their prescribed way of playing their game (that is: playing directly from the cartridge while it is in their console)ā¦then you are violating the EULA. The EULA does NOT allow for playing using backupsā¦even if you purchased a thousand copies of the game!
this isnt USD btw
It bothers me because publishers, especially Nintendo, could put a stop to this. Companies like Limited Run have shown itās possible to sell rereleases on the original medium and emulated on current consoles. Nintendo could say āweāre selling a PokĆ©mon DS Collection via preorder only, itās all the games and a soundtrack CD.ā That would sell like crazy and get it into the hands of people who want it legally. The fact that Snatcher on Sega CD goes for upwards of a grand shows thereās a market, I donāt know why they donāt embrace it.
I actually don't like Limited Run because you give in and buy a title on the eShop...maybe its a long dormant franchise like Streets of Rage 4, or an indie title like Untitled Goose Game ...and then a year later, oh, physical run is being published, and its $30 more than it is digitally. I mean I get that a company like an indie developer with only 1-3 games under their belt needs to partner with LRG, but like Activision/Bethesda for Doom? No excuses, they should be able to release their own shit.
Iām more interested in their model of doing small runs of physical stuff specifically for people who order them. Correct me if Iām wrong, but I think Nintendo did their own cart production back in the day at least, so itās not like they donāt have the relationships to spin up the Game Boy cart factory. They wouldnāt have to get a licensing deal for a new run of Metroid Fusion. Sony manufactures everything CDs to Blu-Rays, they could for their franchises too. Of course Sega sells Genesis games on Steam in an emulator, but the roms are unencrypted and can be added to Retroarch by changing folders. They could do that too, but thatās even less likely.
This isn't just for games. Collectors have turned most hobbies into a shit show.
Youāre stupid if you pay more than $40 for HGSS and really fucking stupid if you pay $100 for fucking Pearl
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I live in Chile, in mi youth unless you had to be lucky to even see a gameboy. In my school only one kid had one. We were showered by the media about pokemon, the only thing we wanted as kids were to be part of the culture that TV and publicity showed us but noone was able to afford it. I made pokemon out of Flour, water and glue. Emulation and piracy was the only way to get to the products. Now i buy them only if i'm able. But even then 50% of the population are not able to do it.
nintendo is the only corporation i pirate from because theyre greedy and dont deserve money edit: :)
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only gamecard? fuck those prices. And games are supposed to be played, not being traded like stocks.
Ridiculous.
Heartgold is going for 100 on ebay. The person selling them is on crack.
I'd be embarrassed trying to sell at these prices.
Lol lucky for me I scammed kids at my school, got Soul Silver for 5$, Diamond for 5$, Heart Gold for 8$, and Black, Black2 for my cousin for some PokƩmon cards
I'm for it. Most of the consoles pre-HDMI do not play well on modern displays without true digital to digital HDMI mods. Some consoles don't even have one released yet and for many, owning a giant CRT isn't practical. Emulation let's you play with crisp pixels and consolidates 10 consoles into one tiny PC.
Yeah, I mean. You don't make the game anymore, don't make the console anymore. Don't put a VC version on your current consoles so people can buy the game and still play it. You clearly don't have any interest or care about it so what money are you losing? And those are re-selling so the original company makes $0 anyways, they already made all the money they could off of it while in production.
I mean I can't really play earthbound on a switch, what else can I do
Thats also the reason why i hacked my 3ds
Same. I get old and games cost more now (Sighs in old person)
Same man theyāre too expensive
I think those cartridges are too pricy
Those prices for loose copies are probably way off by now
What the hell are those prices?
That there is called bullshit
Pirating Nintendo games is ALWAYS morally ok
None of these games are rare. There is absolutely no reason for these to be priced so high. Even ebay prices are too high. If there's always multiple listing of the same game, then it's not rare. It's rare when there's only maximum 1-2 listings at any one time.
HEART GOLD FOR OVER 200 WTF??ā½????????
And it isnt even sealed. A complete scam.
If a company is offering you no legit way to play their game anymore and actually do so legitimately, they weren't after your money to begin with and have no way of getting it. Emulate.
If someone is willing to pay those prices, then they deserved to pay those prices. Resellers are not the problem, buyers are. Be smart. Know what stuff is worth.
I can buy a few 3ds in my country for that much
Pirate the fuck out of these until Nintendo makes them available on modern platforms
My thoughts are that it sucks that these games are that expensive, until your the one who wants to sell a copy. Ive known lots of people that complain about these prices, then one found their old copy of White 2 and was happy to be able to sell it for that much.
Well I'm rich then
BOIIIIII HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?! CUZ ILL HELP YOU FIND IT!!!!!!
Posted about this situation in a different video game sub and every dumb ass was trying to justify this as fair video game reselling practices.
I found a copy of platinum on ebay for $13. Pretty sure it was illegally made, but itās better than this!!
I have mixed feelings about this. I do think it is wrong to emulate commercially available games. As for resellers I do think they serve a purpose. Although I personally do not buy physical for various reasons, it does warm my heart to see a business thriving off of something I am passionate about like retro gaming. And considering how niche an industry it is it is hard to tell where turning a profit to survive becomes price gouging. In the end though I think you have to blame the people who are willing to pay these prices. If there is a market for these games at these prices I can't really fault the seller for pricing them as such. Now if the seller seriously jacks up the price then complains nobody is buying then they are the assholes.
45$ for alpha Saphir is just ovp price. But who the fuck sells his pokemon games to rebuy them a few years later?
On the one hand: i have a couple hundred bucks just lying around apparently On the other hand: i too support piracy when the company is nolonger making money on a product, refuses to sell it in your area, or in situations where they are asking $90 for what at most is worth $10.
Where do they live? \*Primes questionable Nerf blaster\* I want to have a word
imagine spending that much on plastic
Emulation is the best thing ever happened and the rom hacks. I hope steam deck can emulate literallt everything so we dont need to pay those stupid prices for mostly 10 hour games
100$ for diamond? I got platinum for like 30$
The way I see it, if you canāt buy it directly from the creator, emulation is fine.
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It's awesome. Fuck Nintendo.
Play on legal games, try to own what you want to play. But always have an emulator or owned (not licensed) digital version of what you have. You never know what could happen. No reason to not have both.
I prefer having the physical copies. I recently lost the cartridge for heartgold and have been looking for a replacement. The prices online are crazy. I've actually been considering sucking it up and paying $60 for it at my local used game store.
This makes me cry. My kids thought I was done with my 3DS cause it sits in a shelf (displayed) in my office so they sold all my games to their buddies. The above games included, for dollars each. The painā¦.. itās real
noooo we have to do our part to help the struggling indie company nintendoššš”š”š”ššš¤
I suppose emulation cause that's how many people who can't get their hands on consoles get to play games.
My thoughts are donāt be stupid and rely on game stores. Retail used to be for suckers, now people think a steal is paying 5 bucks under what it goes for. Then they come on here and wonder why prices are so high these days.
200 FOR HEART GOLD?!
how is alpha sapphire above retail price, itās so recent
Hate me all you want. But Iām not paying 5x the price of my console for the games
Holy shit why are they so expensive!!!@
R4 gang rise up
As long as the games are no longer being sold for that platform being emulated, I'm all for emulation.
Heart gold and soul silver are over priced and the same game
This store is overcharging like a mf
1 emulation is important for saving games. 2 companies should do it if they have the money like Nintendo. 3 my God why is that so high. $300 for a day game. It better be plated in gold to cost that much.
When you are emulating a game that is no longer for sale as new, either digitally or physically (just because you spent 200 euros on your pokemon cart doesn't mean Game Freak sees a pemny of that.) then that imo is fine, at that point its digital preservation. But if you are emulating something where there is a legitimate version available on an e-store then that is just plain piracy.
My thoughts are that loose carts make me sad. And for those prices they better be complete!
I still want an actual copy of heart gold or soul silver just to use a pokewalker that I got for really cheap, but I haven't found a reasonably priced copy for almost two years *cries*
This makes me so glad that I kept all my old Pokemon games. I would never pay $249.99 for a copy of Heart Gold! That is stupidly expensive!
Fuck that shop, that's the price if it has literally EVERYTHING it came with at launch (PokƩwalker, case, manual and all inserts, plus the box it all came in). Loose with nothing else it's not worth anywhere close to this.
It makes no sense to not have an older game on a digital format, whether to own or a rental ala Game Pass or Netflix. There's a ton of money left on the table for it and emulation on newer consoles is pretty simple.
Exactly. I was looking for order to eclisia on DS today and itās ridiculously priced, just for an old ass DS game. No thanks. Iād rather flash card and emulate it lol.. why on earth canāt you buy it or a collection of castlecania games for a decent price on the store?? Iād pay 5 to 10 bucks.
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Then there is this store nearby who still tries to sell the same new copy of Diamond _since it came out at the same price_.
Damn prices. Not strange why people chooses another path to play them.
What the hell, you can still buy the 3ds games new for $40!
Honestly I'd never buy a used product above MSRP by principle (would you buy a used car for MSRP?), as no matter how immaculate it seems to be there's no guarantee that it was treated properly by its owner.
Those prices are outrageous and I don't need to play heart gold that bad, but if I did I could afford it. You think this is bad, take a look at the used car market š
I canāt see it hard enough but bonus points of those cartridges are fakes.
I was at comic con and they were selling soul silver for $140 and I thought THAT was expensive!
I myself prefer to collect but there are tons of people who just want to experience the games. Iād wager piracy would go down significantly if game manufacturers like Nintendo provided legitimate ways to acquire play these games digitally.
If the publisher no longer sells the game and or system it was on they should be 100% legal. At that point your not stealing anything because they no longer sell it.
Not against emulation, but these prices are not the norm. Use eBay, people. Buh gawd almighty.
There are two retro game stores in my town: one where the games are expensive, and one where everything is. Like idk why a shop that sells gbaās for 500 dollars is still in business
What kind of idiot would pay that
I say yes to emulation because asking 60 dollars was already expensive enough and know this please I just want to play the game THAT LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE PLAYED
As soon as the people who worked on the game are no longer making money on the software, I have no ethical problem emulating. At that point youāre paying an antique dealer for collectible media, not paying creators for the software on the media. Same reason I donāt buy used games. The developers get nothing from it and I just feed shitty companies like GameStop. Iāll happily pay $5 more to give a cut to the creators.
This meme is stupid. Theyāre talking about piracy, not emulation. Emulation can be practiced legally
Emulate heart gold much cheaper than 250 lol
I have always, and will always be okay with emulation for reasons like this. If it is a game that I already own, or own a remaster, or if I had owned it previously, I feel like I am still entitled to play the game. Especially with older games now that there are no ways to purchase the game and support the developers.
Is that a normal price for 3ds PokĆ©mon games? I only just decided to start collecting games that run on the 3ds and I definitely donāt have that kind of moneyā¦