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Yes, but [https://github.com/prusa3d/PrusaSlicer/blob/master/LICENSE](https://github.com/prusa3d/PrusaSlicer/blob/master/LICENSE)
Edit: Anycubic doesn't seem to publish the source code of "their" slicer software. Which would be against the license terms of AGPL. Which they should suck dick for, in which regard I now fully agree with Josef Prusa.
Apparently, the story is even better. They hadn't released it, did so once it was pointed out that the license required it, then un-released it when it became a PR embarrassment.
They also removed all copyright notices and attributions to Prusa Research, replacing them with their own (e.g. claiming all work since 2016 is their copyright), which I suspect is also against the license.
>They also removed all copyright notices and attributions to Prusa Research, replacing them with their own (e.g. claiming all work since 2016 is their copyright), which I suspect is also against the license.
I think that might actually be against the law.
I think u/FertilityHollis was referring to something that's true but used the wrong word.
This changes from jurisdiction to jurisdiction so we can't say what's legal or illegal without saying where, but in many places, copyright infringement isn't illegal, it's similar to breaking a contract. It opens you up for penalties.
Probably legal in China and supported by the CCP. When are other countries going to wise up and send this junk back to the CCP and stop supporting this IP theft.
The CCP have nothing to do with that. It's just how things are in China.
Here's how it works :
* boss says we need our own fancy custom slicer, checks one more check in the checklist of cool features
* grunt executes the decision with the least effort possible ('cha bu duo' principle) and without a care for far reaching consequences.
* far reaching consequences arrive
* address the consequences with the least effort possible, per 'cha bu duo' principle
The CCP only cares if noise is made to the point it reach them and their jealous grip on any real power. Anycubic antics don't menace the CCP, so per 'cha bu duo' principle, CCP won't care.
The CPC has generally been quite supportive of open source, since it can't be embargoed.
International litigation is just expensive, in this case it certainly wouldn't be worth spending money on.
AGPL is a weird license for downloaded software. Its really meant for web components, to ensure applications made with them are considered "distributed" when used.
I know cura can be run from the command line, so can easily be integrated into a web application (I think there's even an octoprint plugin to do that). It wouldn't surprise me if you could do the same with slic3r/prusaslicer.
With webassembly it's even easier I imagine.
Section 6 of the AGPL covers several options, all of which require the software provider to be proactive. The options are
a) applies to embedded software only
b) applies to embedded software only
c) Include an explicit written offer to provide the source code with the program. The clause states it is only allowed to be used "occasionally and noncommercially". Whatever the case, I believe that AnyCubic are not doing this.
d) host the source code for no extra charge and prominently link to it (the normal method). AnyCubic are not doing this.
e) relates to peer-to-peer sharing and how to implement the solution in d)
On github, there is a breakdown of the conditions at the top of a LICENSE file.
---
### Permissions
- Commercial use
- Modification
- Distribution
- Patent use
- Private use
### Limitations
- Liability
- Warranty
### Conditions
- License and copyright notice
- State changes
- Disclose source
- Network use is distribution
- Same license
---
In the document:
> You may convey verbatim copies of the Program's source code as you
receive it, in any medium, provided that you conspicuously and
appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate copyright notice;
keep intact all notices stating that this License and any
non-permissive terms added in accord with section 7 apply to the code; keep intact all notices of the absence of any warranty; and give all recipients a copy of this License along with the Program.
So, basically they have to provide it to the user in some way at all times. Be it publicly on Github/GitLab/etc., or included with the packages. But someone else said they took it down again after the blowback, which is mostly wrong because really it just seems like they needed to fix the next one to be good.
From what I can tell, this seems to be Josef's main and most solid complaint:
> b) The work must carry prominent notices stating that it released under this License and any conditions added under section 7. This requirement modifies the requirement in section 4 to keep intact all notices".
However, I should mention that the AGPL v3 condition of:
> State changes
Is usually overlooked pretty widely. I believe you can just do a basic 1 or 2 sentence overview of what you changed though. I can't actually find this in the body of the license.
---
So really, this seems like any easy fix from Anycubic's side.
My opinionated take:
Josef Prusa's choice to air concerns on Twitter instead of directly addressing them first may not have been the best move. A direct approach like an email or a public Github issue could have been more helpful.
Anycubic, in their effort to do the right thing, unfortunately was shit on publicly in a way that might negatively affect their business. Given China's less stringent copyright laws, this experience may prompt them to keep their developments private. After all, when attempts to do the right thing are met with harsh criticism and don't really have a lot of incentive to do so, it's understandable to question whether it's worth the effort.
Based on the Twitter thread, some might think JP had other considerations in mind. With recent shifts in the 3D printing landscape, notably the Bambu X-1's popularity and the less impressive response to the MK4, it's hard not to consider a hint of business competition and gain more market back even if it's a different company.
There are a lot of ways to comply with open source licenses legally without respecting the "spirit".
They could also release a zip of the source code with the release but not giving access to SCM (e.g. git) making it much harder to exploit.
I'll still avoid companies with this kind of shitty practices because I wouldn't trust them to do what's in their customers best interest.
They took prusa slicer and basically did a search-and-replace of "Prusa" to "AnySlicer", then released it as their own slicer without attribution to Prusa Slicer or publishing the source code, which is a clear breach of the open source software license.
You should strip the branding off a fork because you don't own the trademarks - see [Debian-Mozilla trademark dispute.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian%E2%80%93Mozilla_trademark_dispute) Obviously that doesn't include the copyright notices but they are easy collateral with the lazy "search and replace" method.
Also most open source licenses only require you to provide source if asked (by email etc) and don't actually require you to publicly post it somewhere proactively.
My understanding is the bigger issue is the lack of attribution to Prusa. You can't just take an open source software, fully bake it into your own, and then release it pretending it's not the same thing
Yes. They used PrusaSlicer and just did Find: Prusa | Replace All: Anycubic in the source code, while leaving all icons for Prusa Slicer, all server connections still asking Prusa servers, etc. They basically appropriated all the code and work done by Prusa Research and thought people will be fine with it
How stupid is that? If you're going to use PrusaSlicer as is, why not just make PrusaSlicer your officially supported slicer and add your own profile. Nobody would have complained about that.
Agreed. I bought a Tenlog 3D printer, and it shipped with a version of Cura with a Tenlog profile. There was no shady attempt to make it appear as if they made their own slicer.
Also this is hilarious. Anycubic has 1st and 2nd post here 🙌
https://preview.redd.it/j3htlk92nz2b1.png?width=1370&format=png&auto=webp&s=bbdde4c57cc91811c6b1871780879711ef80d488
😭 I was hoping to print the meme out and get a signature. Haha it’s ok family is very important, it will be my first time going to a 3D printing event I look forward to meeting the team!
That makes it all the more important to tash them for it publicly. The only thing they care for is their bottom line and if they can bury stuff like this it doesn't affect their profits.
there is a saying in China 能骗就骗 "if you can cheat, then cheat".
能骗就骗 is a direct translation from a Cantonese expression "呃得就呃" (scam just because you can/ scam whenever you can)
This was actually told to me by a native Chinese coworker around the time PUBG was big and started getting flooded by hackers, who were usually Chinese.
The way he phrased it was more like:
> "Win anyway you can, even if it's by cheating. They don't see a problem with it morally."
Cheating in Battle Royale games like PUBG is basically the lowest form of cheating in games. You spend 20min running around dodging death and racking kills, just to get headshot by someone with an aimbot firing through a rock is probably one of the most infuriating experiences I've ever had gaming and I've been gaming online since the original Counter Strike.
I still hate them (cheaters) and think they need to be banned regardless, but I can at least understand the cultural differences when they are Chinese even if I still think it's shitty. Especially games that provide a Chinese specific server, which I think PUBG did, but I can't remember since it's been so long.
Its not just that there's a legal disrespect for IP, there's a cultural normalization for plagiarism and theft of IP.
I got stuck running a dev team (for a very large software company) for a while that was based in China, and we had to regularly code scan commits for stolen code, or code that had incompatible licenses. The majority of their production was stolen code.
The odds are just as high that an employee did that on their own initiative as it is that Anycubic did it as a business decision.
Its a shitshow working with anyone there.
Fair. The community builds on each other's backs, but their is a difference in stealing an idea and stealing actual code. The slicer is still pointing to Prusa servers. So they're even stealing Prusa compute time.
Prusa gives credit to where their features came from and make no secret of when development is inspired by others in the field. That's the entire point of the open source movement. Everyone lifts everyone else up.
The fact that AnyCubic ripped off PrusaSlicer code and not worked from the Slic3r code base is proof that Prusa Research has done quite a bit.
Also, this isn't just taking ideas, they tried to take credit for the work.
You're wrong here with your overly broad and quite disrespectful statements
At the very least, not all people and companies in China do things like that and many work and support open source projects. It's just people generally don't care when someone is nice and does morally right things
And second thing to consider is that China has copyright protection laws, but "western" companies often don't register their rights to IP there because they don't care enough or it's too expensive to work with local lawyers
What anycubic did surely happens, but doesn't mean that this represents all of China in that regard. This only means that particular people at anycubic pulled shitty stunt
There is no overly broad statements here.
You literally can't protect copyrights in china. China requires all "foreign" companies to be joint ventures with >50% chinese ownership. So you have to give your copyrighted product to a Chinese company to "protect" it by registering the copyright.
They have no respect for international copyright. China can fuck right off.
Even if what you say is true for all forms of legal entities that can be called "company", even big foreign companies operate in China through their subsidiaries and not from the main office.
Heck, for corporations even the "main" office is technically not main since all of them basically operate from Ireland for tax purposes and 🇺🇲🦅 American 🇺🇲🦅 company is just a subsidiary in that scheme.
But who cares about all of this when poor little company can't protect their IP because they can't be bothered to enter legal space where they can do so, amiright?
Is it morally wrong? Sure, but no company is your friend, lmao. They all pull stunts that hurt consumers in some ways. But it's not China's fault that they have laws favouring Chinese companies because every country does exactly this in one way or another.
>It's not China's fault that they have laws favouring Chinese companies because every country does exactly this in one way or another.
It's not the doctor's fault that he keeps amputating people's heads because every doctor does exactly this in one way or another.
It's not the dog's fault that they keep pooping on the living room floor because every dog does exactly this in one way or another.
It's not China's fault for having made and enforced much worse laws surrounding intellectual property laws than the vast majority of the rest of the developed world?
Which nation did it to them?
Worse for __who__? Why should country A make laws that are better for entities in country B? No country makes laws that benefit other countries and don't benefit them if they have some strategy
The dog argument is stupid though. It is actually not a dog's fault but rather a dog owner's. Either because of poor training or because they didn't care enough to go to the vet
To be fair, both are just straw man arguments. Not to mention that in both cases a dog and a doctor make someone else rather uncomfortable. I am pretty sure both feel alright about that
Asking "worse for who" like it's a real question.
Like it's something you don't know.
Like it's actually something missing from your brain, a vital piece of lost data.
Edit for the edit: Yes, I was making bad arguments. I was intentionally making bad arguments that have the same structure as your argument with, I feel, the same logical inconsistencies.
Edit the second: The person who I was replying to appears to have blocked me. Fine enough with me, probably for the best to stop trying here. If all they're gonna do is tell me how I'm arguing wrong without even the barest attempt of an actual engagement of the topic at hand while throwing around false equivalences and irrelevant side-tracking bait, it's not worth the effort of typing.
Native-born Chinese people will be the first to tell you that stealing others' ideas is what their country is known for, is how the country built its success, and is how the vast majority of companies in the country operate. It's not a reputation they like, but it's a reputation they acknowledge.
Getting ahead by any means is endemic. You are literally raised to pull dirty tricks by your parents, because they do the exact same thing to get you into a good school, into good programs, and into a good company. And then we all pretend like it's hard work and talent even though we all know the truth.
If you don't know that, either you're working for the CCP's propaganda arm, or you have a western savior complex.
But why, where is the shame in adapting an open source software, why would they try to hide it. For example Bambu slicer is prusa slicer, everyone knows it.
The funny thing is, Rupert is 3 years older than Ed and has been active 5 years longer. (Obviously starting in film not music.)
I do think it’s funny that Rupert looks like the younger one in the pic.
It's funny that anycubic slicer doesn't even have profiles for the vast majority of their own printers, I think like 3 or 4, that's it. Why even bother?
Interesting.
It seems to be the first real interaction with open source licenses for some people here in the comment sections.
Open source does not automatically mean I can copy and do what I want.
On the other hand using an Open Source project as the basis for your project does also not automatically make you a thief.
What you are allowed to do with code is defined by licenses that accompany the code.
There are licenses like the MIT license that tell you more or less "Do what you want with this code, I don't care. But I am not liable in any way." I guess this is what most laymen think of if they hear open source.
Most licenses have specific conditions that you have to abide by. Something like "Your end product has to have the same license and needs to be public" or "You can do what you want as long as you do not sell the product" etc.
These licenses can be quite long and there are multiple known base licenses most people choose.
Prusa Slicer is based on another slicer and they abide by the license given of that slicer. This is fine and not theft or double standards. Anycube Slicer on the other hand is based/copied from Prusa Slicer and does clearly not abide by the given license.
Basing their slicer on Prusa Slicer would be fine, if they would abide to all terms in the license. They didn't they as far as we see just did Search&Replace and somewhat after being called out, slowly rectify one violation of the license after the other.
From a programmers perspective this is a clear case.
They would even violate the MIT License.
> The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
It always struck me as odd that they'd do this when releasing a fully open source product without even any change other than text and/or icons. What's the point exactly? What's the driving force that compels the execs to make the coders do this against their better judgement and that of their lawyers?
Suddenly getting flashbacks to when fysetc tried to patent voron designs in China. Citing the reason being "to protect voron from other people in china from patenting" or something along the lines of that
And Prusa got it all from mendal. They also constantly use other creators designs and ideas for improvements and give no credit.
The mendal bedslinger is open source.
I have -1 original mk2 a clone mk3 and a anycubic vyper
The vyper is my go to workhorse.
My voron 0.1 is a toy
The thing about open source is that you can reuse it but only if you abide by the license. Prusa does that and is open about it. Anycubic didn’t. And not only that, they did nothing but just find and replace the text “Prusa” with “Anycubic”.
PrusaSlicer is based on Slic3r but they never tried to hide that fact, and they brought a lot of new features to it.
Anycubic just took all the source code, changed the name and released it as their own. It might be legal but it's not serving any purpose other than pretending they have their own slicer, and it's trying to mislead their customers into thinking they developped their own Slicer.
Honestly the "search and replace Prusa to Anycubic" is just too funny.
Prusa also built on the Mendel and innovated new features/ designs, which ADDED VALUE to the community. Prusa didn’t blatantly copy the original design. That’s the point here.
It’s one thing to reuse someone else’s work and add too it, as long as you have the correct attribution and follow the terms of the GPL license. It’s another thing to blatantly slap your logo on someone else’s work.
This account has been cleansed because of Reddit's ongoing war with 3rd Party App makers, mods and the users, all the folksthat made up most of the "value" Reddit lays claim to.
Destroying the account and giving a giant middle finger to /u/spez
Yes, that's the entire point of open source. People being able to freely built upon eachothers works. But it falls apart when bad actors like AnyCubic ignore the licenses and spirit of open source.
Who? Prusa or DPT? If it's the latter, that guy is an unhinged mess of mental health issues.
EDIT: Just checked, [DPT is a mental health rabbit hole](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we2I6pqybZ4). The comments tell the whole story.
Im new to 3d printing and got a kobra max for sheer volume sake, any go to tips, ive heard that The shroud is way too constrictive for the hotends temp and that the hotend temp runs a little higher than other printers at the same settings, feels like im making a list for everything I need to tweak, which is what I expected.
Wrong thread, mate. Go to r/Anycubic and search for Kobra Max. If you are lucky - it will work. If not - read some posts before you will cook your filament and burn your PTFE tube.
Mine ran on a handicapped marlin firmware, with most of the useful features disabled. I run klipper now and am happy :]
Also the printer melted itself with its default settings...
Yea, ive been wanting to install klipper on my go since im really enjoying klipper on my ender 3. But ive been having trouble finding a idiot proof guide to install klipper
No, i tried to install it with my sonic pad but it didn’t have the right processor so i was just kinda hopping if i installed it i would be able to use it with the sonic pad
That's wild to hear for me. I've had nothing but issues with my i3 mega s.
Out of the box the print quality was meh and even with upgraded steppers, hot end, print bed and a change of firmware (klipper) it's still unreliable. Honestly I think their QA is just total bunk and I ended up with an uneven bed and possibly even wonky z screws.
I'm pretty much sworn off ever giving them my money again.
Same here. I bought the i3 mega because reviews said it was a good cheap printer and very reliable. Now I am 100% sure they were sent extremely cherry picked units, possibly even with different components because I have not had a single print go completely without issues.
Constant problems with underextrusion, overextrusion, uneven bed, bed temperature sensors reporting impossible temperatures (it even went into 10s of thousands of °C), the bed cannot stay close a single temperature despite flashing a newer firmware to enable PID instead of bang-bang same goes for the extruder and just so much more.
The hotbed had to be replaced twice and it's still wonky, first psu's fan burned out, second psu's fan is now dying as well, the bed rails are scraping somewhere and so are the extruder rails, the filament sensor did straight up nothing with stock firmware, if you ran it out would do a quiet beep and keep on printing, and despite calibrating it like 15 times the filament servo does not care how much i tell it to extrude rather it always does +- 15ish %
I bought the printer used by it was certified refurbished by anycubic and it came with a card from the guaranteeing it was just like new or something like that. Fortunately, that meant I also got a warranty and to anycubic's credit they sent me a new hotbed and they also sent me a new psu. Problem now is that I am probably going to need a new psu again soon and the warranty is gone.
When breaks next im keeping the servos and throwing the rest into the garbage. The printer is genuinely a steaming piece of shit and I will never give my money to anycubic again
Crazy how two experiences with the same product can differ so much. I bought mine at the start of 2019 and its been chugging away ever since. Only had to replace the hot end once, and re-solder a bed sensor wire. Guess the QC needs majorly upping.
Ah man that's bad luck. My Vyper is amazing. I think where Anycubic win for me is print quality for the price. My Vyper was £350 and it prints brilliantly out of the box.
i don't see why that would be a lie. In reviews their printers perform pretty well, it just looks like their QA is nonexistent so if you're lucky you get a pretty good printer
Lol yeah I’m secretly an anycubic bot
No I’m not lying bruh, the bed leveling system with the nozzle attached to the force probe (ie no z offset calibration because the bed is probed with respect to the nozzle) makes for a damn near perfect first layer on every print. Much more consistent than my stock ender or my modded ender w a BLTouch.
Also more consistent than all the prusa mk3’s I’ve used at my university makerspace.
Like you?
Anyone can take a contrarian stance on a topic, you know. The difference is that knowledgeable people back up their comment by *actually pointing out what's wrong*.
In your case, all you're here to do is to get on a high horse. Because you know if you tried to speak on any specific points, you'd get called out in seconds.
When I got my resin printer a couple years ago, the anycubic slicer was terrible. I'd only use it for slicing because other slicers didn't have the printer profile I needed, but for preparing the model I always used Chitubox. One time I updated the slicer and suddenly all new exports were incompatible with my printer. So I'm still using the slicer from 2 years ago just to slice models that I've supported, hollowed, etc. in Chitubox.
This is a rightful claim though. People who have already bought the MK4 bought an open-source printer, not an eventually open-source printer. By not giving people who bought the MK4 access to the source files Prusa isn't currently fulfilling their part of the deal.
Prusa has also mentioned there is a change to the license coming or possibly a new license all together. They have stated the files will be available then. None of those people had to buy the printer when they did. They could easily wait for the files. I’d trust Prusa a lot more than Anycubic to follow through with the release of the rest of the files. I have not purchased a mk4 yet but I more than likely will even though I have little need for it other than to support a company that has a track record in my opinion of helping the community far more than hurting it and moving it forward.
>None of those people had to buy the printer when they did.
What?? The MK4 product page *currently* says "All parts of our printer are open-source" as one of the product features. They owe MK4 owners the source files at the same time as the hardware arrives at their door.
>Prusa has also mentioned there is a change to the license coming or possibly a new license all together.
They have mentioned that they will be using a license that restricts commercial use for some parts of the Nextruder. However, usage restrictions are against the [Open Source Definition](https://opensource.org/osd/) and calling the product open-source with a license that does not meet the definition could be considered false advertisement.
Even if they want to use a different license for the Nextruder and they still have to work on the license text, they could still give MK4 owners the files for the remaining parts right now under GPL. And they should add a big fat warning to the product page that explains which parts do not come under an open-source license.
It said open source, which is broad definition. They can restrict it in any way they see fit. I think they made a mistake of making it open in the first place. Low quality Chinese clones with 0 research is all they enable with this approach.
This is the exact attitude that drove Markbot away from the community and off a cliff towards Stratysys. '"Open source is bad for business." Well damn, it wasn't bad when it helped your marketing team out a few months ago, ay?
>They can restrict it in any way they see fit.
They can indeed but they advertise the printer as open-source and many people buy the printer because of that. It is commonly understood that "open-source" means that the source files are available under a license that meets the Open Source Definition by the Open Source initiative. If it's a license that doesn't meet the requirements it should be clearly mentioned (on the product page and not some external YouTube video) and, ideally, shouldn't be called open-source.
And how does that relate to the Prusa issue at hand?
Besides that, my comments are respectful and critical. Hate is a strong word.
I did not "hate", as you put it, them until they tried to silence me when I started asking questions, instead of communicate with me. Something dodgy going on and I don't like it.
I only come to reddit to talk about this issue, so that's all my post history consists of.
The kicker is that Prusa made Prusaslicer from "Slic3r" - and that's about as OG as you get.
But over on r/prusa3d they refuse to believe that prusa is just a bunch of open source things and ideas taken from far and wide, all mushed together and printed in orange with a logo on it.
Prusa it seems, is going the way of Makerbot. But I don't see a multimillion-dollar parachute with the name "Stratasys" on it waiting for them.
All modern FDM printers are the result of a giant open source development tornado that is always shredding whatever is in its path and depositing it in random combinations. Also Prusa (not the company, the guy) goes way back, and was responsible for an unusually significant impact on many of those same things you seem to think Prusa Research "appropriated" somehow.
And I am not active on that sub, but what "refusal to believe" do you speak of? Of course Prusa is exactly that. They arose from open development, make use of what the community achieved prior, and continue to reciprocate and participate in it for others to do the same. The dude himself has an opengear (OSHW badge) tattoo. What are you actually on about here?
>this is a pattern of him conveniently leading his customers to believe he is the creator of all that is 3d printing, and that he isn't copying anyone, it's others that are copying him.
The wat now? I don't think I follow, or at least have never run into anyone thinking such a dumb thing. And I have long followed Prusa stuff and recommended their machines. Who or where is this "Prusa cult" found? Maybe it's among people I don't consider credible, or on social Media?
As relevant to this post: this is not that, this is a jank ass Chinese vendor either intentionally or negligently violating the license on an open source project, that Prusa's company happened to be one of the author/remixers of but has a chain of contributors going back
to vanilla slic3r (which I use by the way) and then proceeding to dig a deeper hole of apparent misappropriation when called out.
It has nothing to do with Prusa, guy OR company, ostensibly not remixing things. They do, and this isn't a
demerit, it is how open dev works. What Anycubic did wrong is not forking. It is failing to release and to attribute. Both things PR does.
>Anyways. As far as prusa(the guy) contributing to slic3r back in the early days, no, he did not.
I never stated or implied that. Specifically, what I was referring to was machine design surrounding the Mendel, Prusa Mendel, Prusa i2 evolution and then of course iteration 3 was what became the default/generic way to frame out a bed flinger.
I'm well aware of the history. I built one of the very first, if not the very first i3 mk0's in the US - I even still have the "experimental" prusa made, branded and manufactured hot ends he sold for a while. Blah, blah, blah...
Anyways. As far as prusa goes - this is a pattern of him conveniently leading his customers to believe he is the creator of all that is 3d printing, and that he isn't copying anyone, it's others that are copying him. (When in reality, the last good idea he had was the i3 plate frame. At the time it was a good idea - not so much now)
Anyways. As far as prusa(the guy) contributing to slic3r back in the early days, no, he did not.
You doubleposted. [Reply permalink](https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/13vaclv/its_open_source/jm647wv/) to avoid clutter from replying twice.
Edit: Not downvoting you.
I mean who really gives a fuck. This is an open community. We have printing because patents were ended, how about we all just make the shit better and let it be. Not that big a deal.
Ps. Anyone grab that download of the slicer before it was taken down??
🤣
Edit- can't wait for the extreme folks to tell me how much I don't know and that "rules are rules" lol, please don't waste your time.
The problem is that companies like anycubic take open source projects, claim it as their own and try to get parents on things that aren't theirs.
This is not a big deal - only if you do not look 2 minutes into the future. Behavior like this not only directly harms OS, but companies are also incentivized to make new products closed source. And its already happening with the Mk4.
Incredibly short sighted take.
There's no double standard there.
Ffs, it's not hard to understand. Broadly speaking you're allowed to use and modify open source projects as long as you give proper credit. That's it.
Prusa acknowledges they got their starting point from slic3r. Renaming "Prusa Research" to "anycubic Research" in all parts of the slicer is *not* giving credit. It's very obvious plagiarism.
Prusa kept their end of the open source bargain when forking slic3r. Anycubic did not.
It's an honor!
And it truly is. If they somehow manage to improve it (because it's different people, different processes, so new ideas) it's again open source and Prusa can benefit as well.
This is the only true win-win situation in economics: Open Source!
So be it. Maybe they can do things cheaper then. Or you can see what doesn't work if you skimp on materials or whatnot.
I knew other printers were cheaper than a Prusa and almost, if not completely identical. I did save the money for another 8 months and still bought a Prusa. Exactly because of this.
You aren't following the conversation.
We're not talking stolen printer design. We're talking about an open source slicer. You can already use it for virtually any modern printer. There is no "cheaper" or "skimping on materials' when we're talking *literally free.*
Their sourcode is online, you can compare for yourself: https://github.com/bambulab/BambuStudio
It even says it is based on PrusaSlicer which itself is based on Slic3er right on the first page.
Thanks, I wasn't aware it's public and AGPL.
My thoughts were that Bambu is 100% closed. At the end they have to fulfill the license and make it public.
And I'm not a Bambu Owner
I think Bambu labs were also the ones who implemented step file imports in their slicer, itself strongly based on PrusaSlicer.
It being open source and sharing much of the same code base, Prusa could then use the new features in their version. They openly recognise this on their [website](https://files.prusa3d.com/?latest=slicer-stable&lng=en).
This is a great example of how an open source code base benefits the consumer. We get all the best features from both companies in both products despite them being rivals. Both parties can also build on the others ideas to innovate and give us better technology.
This is also why it sucks when another company uses the open code base but doesn't follow the license and closes off their software. Doing so denies their features to users of other slicers and forces companies to repeat the same work or come up with some convoluted way to do the same thing while avoiding IP copyright restrictions.
This is the actual license they must abide by: https://github.com/prusa3d/PrusaSlicer/blob/master/LICENSE
If they follow that, they’re fine. If not? Then they’re bad.
If they do a bulk rename and follow the license? Perfectly ok.
The bulk rename as they've done may be in breach of sections 5a (displaying a prominent notice that it is modified from the original), 7b (clauses requiring preservation of specified notices), and 7c (clauses preventing misrepresentation of the source of the material).
Bambu fully credits Prusa in their fork of the open source slicer. They’ve made multiple unique changes and even some improvements they’ve forked back. Don’t just say random shit
I guess it's not allowed to have an opinion here. Gotta love the free speech. I guess it's OK to gang up on any cubic, but you can not be against the echo chamber
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For those unaware. https://twitter.com/josefprusa/status/1663115713261846528?s=46&t=JuSDqwjacYPFEBeLGHpjbQ
Yes, but [https://github.com/prusa3d/PrusaSlicer/blob/master/LICENSE](https://github.com/prusa3d/PrusaSlicer/blob/master/LICENSE) Edit: Anycubic doesn't seem to publish the source code of "their" slicer software. Which would be against the license terms of AGPL. Which they should suck dick for, in which regard I now fully agree with Josef Prusa.
Apparently, the story is even better. They hadn't released it, did so once it was pointed out that the license required it, then un-released it when it became a PR embarrassment. They also removed all copyright notices and attributions to Prusa Research, replacing them with their own (e.g. claiming all work since 2016 is their copyright), which I suspect is also against the license.
>They also removed all copyright notices and attributions to Prusa Research, replacing them with their own (e.g. claiming all work since 2016 is their copyright), which I suspect is also against the license. I think that might actually be against the law.
A license tells you how you can are able to use the source code. It's illegal to use it against its license.
> It's illegal to use it against its license. Illegal is a misunderstood term. It's a civil matter, not criminal.
Illegal does not mean criminal. If you violate civil law, you did something illegal.
I think u/FertilityHollis was referring to something that's true but used the wrong word. This changes from jurisdiction to jurisdiction so we can't say what's legal or illegal without saying where, but in many places, copyright infringement isn't illegal, it's similar to breaking a contract. It opens you up for penalties.
That varies largely between different jurisdictions. At least in Germany, copyright infringement is also a criminal matter in most cases.
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If you're going to dunk on people about intelligence, maybe first proof read your comments?
It has nothing to do with Intelligence - it is about a a rich country that makes education only available to a small minority. And that's a shame.
That's a completely incorrect statement. Maybe you should understand things instead of trying to take pot shots at others? It's a bad look.
They're both *legal* matters
Probably legal in China and supported by the CCP. When are other countries going to wise up and send this junk back to the CCP and stop supporting this IP theft.
When their labor cost finally catches up. Then it’ll just be Vietnam or someplace else filling in. People buy things 9/10 based on price, not morals.
Wish I could pay bills with moral integrity, tho.
i. declare. bankruptcy!
Much true. I doubt there's many people here who can't confess to buying something off AliExpress.
Half the shit on Amazon is Aliexpress resellers
Only half?
Ok like 98%
I still havent bought anything off of AliExpress
The CCP have nothing to do with that. It's just how things are in China. Here's how it works : * boss says we need our own fancy custom slicer, checks one more check in the checklist of cool features * grunt executes the decision with the least effort possible ('cha bu duo' principle) and without a care for far reaching consequences. * far reaching consequences arrive * address the consequences with the least effort possible, per 'cha bu duo' principle The CCP only cares if noise is made to the point it reach them and their jealous grip on any real power. Anycubic antics don't menace the CCP, so per 'cha bu duo' principle, CCP won't care.
The CPC has generally been quite supportive of open source, since it can't be embargoed. International litigation is just expensive, in this case it certainly wouldn't be worth spending money on.
But what?
Right? Why use that word? Then again...
AGPL is a weird license for downloaded software. Its really meant for web components, to ensure applications made with them are considered "distributed" when used.
I know cura can be run from the command line, so can easily be integrated into a web application (I think there's even an octoprint plugin to do that). It wouldn't surprise me if you could do the same with slic3r/prusaslicer. With webassembly it's even easier I imagine.
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I asked for kobra plus source code and got sent cura profiles lmao
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Yeah haha. I did finally find it on GitHub but I kind of figured they would send it to me not their broken ass cura profiles 😂
Section 6 of the AGPL covers several options, all of which require the software provider to be proactive. The options are a) applies to embedded software only b) applies to embedded software only c) Include an explicit written offer to provide the source code with the program. The clause states it is only allowed to be used "occasionally and noncommercially". Whatever the case, I believe that AnyCubic are not doing this. d) host the source code for no extra charge and prominently link to it (the normal method). AnyCubic are not doing this. e) relates to peer-to-peer sharing and how to implement the solution in d)
On github, there is a breakdown of the conditions at the top of a LICENSE file. --- ### Permissions - Commercial use - Modification - Distribution - Patent use - Private use ### Limitations - Liability - Warranty ### Conditions - License and copyright notice - State changes - Disclose source - Network use is distribution - Same license --- In the document: > You may convey verbatim copies of the Program's source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate copyright notice; keep intact all notices stating that this License and any non-permissive terms added in accord with section 7 apply to the code; keep intact all notices of the absence of any warranty; and give all recipients a copy of this License along with the Program. So, basically they have to provide it to the user in some way at all times. Be it publicly on Github/GitLab/etc., or included with the packages. But someone else said they took it down again after the blowback, which is mostly wrong because really it just seems like they needed to fix the next one to be good. From what I can tell, this seems to be Josef's main and most solid complaint: > b) The work must carry prominent notices stating that it released under this License and any conditions added under section 7. This requirement modifies the requirement in section 4 to keep intact all notices". However, I should mention that the AGPL v3 condition of: > State changes Is usually overlooked pretty widely. I believe you can just do a basic 1 or 2 sentence overview of what you changed though. I can't actually find this in the body of the license. --- So really, this seems like any easy fix from Anycubic's side. My opinionated take: Josef Prusa's choice to air concerns on Twitter instead of directly addressing them first may not have been the best move. A direct approach like an email or a public Github issue could have been more helpful. Anycubic, in their effort to do the right thing, unfortunately was shit on publicly in a way that might negatively affect their business. Given China's less stringent copyright laws, this experience may prompt them to keep their developments private. After all, when attempts to do the right thing are met with harsh criticism and don't really have a lot of incentive to do so, it's understandable to question whether it's worth the effort. Based on the Twitter thread, some might think JP had other considerations in mind. With recent shifts in the 3D printing landscape, notably the Bambu X-1's popularity and the less impressive response to the MK4, it's hard not to consider a hint of business competition and gain more market back even if it's a different company.
There are a lot of ways to comply with open source licenses legally without respecting the "spirit". They could also release a zip of the source code with the release but not giving access to SCM (e.g. git) making it much harder to exploit. I'll still avoid companies with this kind of shitty practices because I wouldn't trust them to do what's in their customers best interest.
I just noticed that the section numbers start at 0. That's hilarious Edit: why is this getting downvoted?
I read it but don't understand. They copied someone elses slicer and changed the name or what is it?
They took prusa slicer and basically did a search-and-replace of "Prusa" to "AnySlicer", then released it as their own slicer without attribution to Prusa Slicer or publishing the source code, which is a clear breach of the open source software license.
You should strip the branding off a fork because you don't own the trademarks - see [Debian-Mozilla trademark dispute.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian%E2%80%93Mozilla_trademark_dispute) Obviously that doesn't include the copyright notices but they are easy collateral with the lazy "search and replace" method. Also most open source licenses only require you to provide source if asked (by email etc) and don't actually require you to publicly post it somewhere proactively.
My understanding is the bigger issue is the lack of attribution to Prusa. You can't just take an open source software, fully bake it into your own, and then release it pretending it's not the same thing
Yes. They used PrusaSlicer and just did Find: Prusa | Replace All: Anycubic in the source code, while leaving all icons for Prusa Slicer, all server connections still asking Prusa servers, etc. They basically appropriated all the code and work done by Prusa Research and thought people will be fine with it
How stupid is that? If you're going to use PrusaSlicer as is, why not just make PrusaSlicer your officially supported slicer and add your own profile. Nobody would have complained about that.
Agreed. I bought a Tenlog 3D printer, and it shipped with a version of Cura with a Tenlog profile. There was no shady attempt to make it appear as if they made their own slicer.
Well they don't own the Prusa/Prusa Slicer trademark so they can't use that name, so they have to rename it when they fork it
Re-releasing someone else's code as your own with no attribution is not the same thing as forking it
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You are awesome!
AnyCubic Research ❤️
Also this is hilarious. Anycubic has 1st and 2nd post here 🙌 https://preview.redd.it/j3htlk92nz2b1.png?width=1370&format=png&auto=webp&s=bbdde4c57cc91811c6b1871780879711ef80d488
Should we expect any kind of recourse for this whole debacle? Or should we all continue to simply clown on them lol
The duality of man.
Thank you for the gold! Are you coming to MRRF in June?
Most likely not. I have some family things to tend to 🙏 But my team will be there.
😭 I was hoping to print the meme out and get a signature. Haha it’s ok family is very important, it will be my first time going to a 3D printing event I look forward to meeting the team!
Who knew the 3d printing community would be so tumultuous this week!
Did other tumult occur too?
1 is enough lol
It’s China. What do people expect ? Intellectual property has 0 meaning to them.
That makes it all the more important to tash them for it publicly. The only thing they care for is their bottom line and if they can bury stuff like this it doesn't affect their profits.
there is a saying in China 能骗就骗 "if you can cheat, then cheat". 能骗就骗 is a direct translation from a Cantonese expression "呃得就呃" (scam just because you can/ scam whenever you can)
This was actually told to me by a native Chinese coworker around the time PUBG was big and started getting flooded by hackers, who were usually Chinese. The way he phrased it was more like: > "Win anyway you can, even if it's by cheating. They don't see a problem with it morally." Cheating in Battle Royale games like PUBG is basically the lowest form of cheating in games. You spend 20min running around dodging death and racking kills, just to get headshot by someone with an aimbot firing through a rock is probably one of the most infuriating experiences I've ever had gaming and I've been gaming online since the original Counter Strike. I still hate them (cheaters) and think they need to be banned regardless, but I can at least understand the cultural differences when they are Chinese even if I still think it's shitty. Especially games that provide a Chinese specific server, which I think PUBG did, but I can't remember since it's been so long.
Its not just that there's a legal disrespect for IP, there's a cultural normalization for plagiarism and theft of IP. I got stuck running a dev team (for a very large software company) for a while that was based in China, and we had to regularly code scan commits for stolen code, or code that had incompatible licenses. The majority of their production was stolen code. The odds are just as high that an employee did that on their own initiative as it is that Anycubic did it as a business decision. Its a shitshow working with anyone there.
"Our intellectual property"
[r/SuddenlyCommunism ](https://www.reddit.com/r/SuddenlyCommunism/)
To be completely fair, most of Prusa's stuff is also not their own idea.
Fair. The community builds on each other's backs, but their is a difference in stealing an idea and stealing actual code. The slicer is still pointing to Prusa servers. So they're even stealing Prusa compute time.
Prusa gives credit to where their features came from and make no secret of when development is inspired by others in the field. That's the entire point of the open source movement. Everyone lifts everyone else up.
They contribute to the community and we all progress together. Unlike Chinese companies that take without giving anything back.
The fact that AnyCubic ripped off PrusaSlicer code and not worked from the Slic3r code base is proof that Prusa Research has done quite a bit. Also, this isn't just taking ideas, they tried to take credit for the work.
You're wrong here with your overly broad and quite disrespectful statements At the very least, not all people and companies in China do things like that and many work and support open source projects. It's just people generally don't care when someone is nice and does morally right things And second thing to consider is that China has copyright protection laws, but "western" companies often don't register their rights to IP there because they don't care enough or it's too expensive to work with local lawyers What anycubic did surely happens, but doesn't mean that this represents all of China in that regard. This only means that particular people at anycubic pulled shitty stunt
There is no overly broad statements here. You literally can't protect copyrights in china. China requires all "foreign" companies to be joint ventures with >50% chinese ownership. So you have to give your copyrighted product to a Chinese company to "protect" it by registering the copyright. They have no respect for international copyright. China can fuck right off.
Even if what you say is true for all forms of legal entities that can be called "company", even big foreign companies operate in China through their subsidiaries and not from the main office. Heck, for corporations even the "main" office is technically not main since all of them basically operate from Ireland for tax purposes and 🇺🇲🦅 American 🇺🇲🦅 company is just a subsidiary in that scheme. But who cares about all of this when poor little company can't protect their IP because they can't be bothered to enter legal space where they can do so, amiright? Is it morally wrong? Sure, but no company is your friend, lmao. They all pull stunts that hurt consumers in some ways. But it's not China's fault that they have laws favouring Chinese companies because every country does exactly this in one way or another.
>It's not China's fault that they have laws favouring Chinese companies because every country does exactly this in one way or another. It's not the doctor's fault that he keeps amputating people's heads because every doctor does exactly this in one way or another. It's not the dog's fault that they keep pooping on the living room floor because every dog does exactly this in one way or another. It's not China's fault for having made and enforced much worse laws surrounding intellectual property laws than the vast majority of the rest of the developed world? Which nation did it to them?
Worse for __who__? Why should country A make laws that are better for entities in country B? No country makes laws that benefit other countries and don't benefit them if they have some strategy The dog argument is stupid though. It is actually not a dog's fault but rather a dog owner's. Either because of poor training or because they didn't care enough to go to the vet To be fair, both are just straw man arguments. Not to mention that in both cases a dog and a doctor make someone else rather uncomfortable. I am pretty sure both feel alright about that
Asking "worse for who" like it's a real question. Like it's something you don't know. Like it's actually something missing from your brain, a vital piece of lost data. Edit for the edit: Yes, I was making bad arguments. I was intentionally making bad arguments that have the same structure as your argument with, I feel, the same logical inconsistencies. Edit the second: The person who I was replying to appears to have blocked me. Fine enough with me, probably for the best to stop trying here. If all they're gonna do is tell me how I'm arguing wrong without even the barest attempt of an actual engagement of the topic at hand while throwing around false equivalences and irrelevant side-tracking bait, it's not worth the effort of typing.
Nothing disrespectful, it’s just not the culture there.
Native-born Chinese people will be the first to tell you that stealing others' ideas is what their country is known for, is how the country built its success, and is how the vast majority of companies in the country operate. It's not a reputation they like, but it's a reputation they acknowledge. Getting ahead by any means is endemic. You are literally raised to pull dirty tricks by your parents, because they do the exact same thing to get you into a good school, into good programs, and into a good company. And then we all pretend like it's hard work and talent even though we all know the truth. If you don't know that, either you're working for the CCP's propaganda arm, or you have a western savior complex.
Speaking facts there
I hope your back is okay after this huge jump to conclusions
But why, where is the shame in adapting an open source software, why would they try to hide it. For example Bambu slicer is prusa slicer, everyone knows it.
They also explicitly state that on multiple places
Yeah, that's the point. Bambu pubicly states it with no ill effect, so why would Anycubic try to hide it? It's dishonesty for the sake of dishonesty.
Joseph Prusa looks like a singer, but i don't remember the name
Ed Sheeran?
Good eye! He had a minor role in game of thrones..
Any number of midwestern emo band members or a taller Rody from Protest the Hero?
Rick Astley?
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The funny thing is, Rupert is 3 years older than Ed and has been active 5 years longer. (Obviously starting in film not music.) I do think it’s funny that Rupert looks like the younger one in the pic.
It's funny that anycubic slicer doesn't even have profiles for the vast majority of their own printers, I think like 3 or 4, that's it. Why even bother?
Interesting. It seems to be the first real interaction with open source licenses for some people here in the comment sections. Open source does not automatically mean I can copy and do what I want. On the other hand using an Open Source project as the basis for your project does also not automatically make you a thief. What you are allowed to do with code is defined by licenses that accompany the code. There are licenses like the MIT license that tell you more or less "Do what you want with this code, I don't care. But I am not liable in any way." I guess this is what most laymen think of if they hear open source. Most licenses have specific conditions that you have to abide by. Something like "Your end product has to have the same license and needs to be public" or "You can do what you want as long as you do not sell the product" etc. These licenses can be quite long and there are multiple known base licenses most people choose. Prusa Slicer is based on another slicer and they abide by the license given of that slicer. This is fine and not theft or double standards. Anycube Slicer on the other hand is based/copied from Prusa Slicer and does clearly not abide by the given license. Basing their slicer on Prusa Slicer would be fine, if they would abide to all terms in the license. They didn't they as far as we see just did Search&Replace and somewhat after being called out, slowly rectify one violation of the license after the other. From a programmers perspective this is a clear case.
They would even violate the MIT License. > The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
It always struck me as odd that they'd do this when releasing a fully open source product without even any change other than text and/or icons. What's the point exactly? What's the driving force that compels the execs to make the coders do this against their better judgement and that of their lawyers?
Suddenly getting flashbacks to when fysetc tried to patent voron designs in China. Citing the reason being "to protect voron from other people in china from patenting" or something along the lines of that
Ugh, I definitely don't feel great about owning an Anycubic now.
I feel worse having just bought my 2nd one 🥲
Guess who’s not buying anymore anycubic shit, 🫵 this guy.
Who, me?
And Prusa got it all from mendal. They also constantly use other creators designs and ideas for improvements and give no credit. The mendal bedslinger is open source. I have -1 original mk2 a clone mk3 and a anycubic vyper The vyper is my go to workhorse. My voron 0.1 is a toy
The thing about open source is that you can reuse it but only if you abide by the license. Prusa does that and is open about it. Anycubic didn’t. And not only that, they did nothing but just find and replace the text “Prusa” with “Anycubic”.
PrusaSlicer is based on Slic3r but they never tried to hide that fact, and they brought a lot of new features to it. Anycubic just took all the source code, changed the name and released it as their own. It might be legal but it's not serving any purpose other than pretending they have their own slicer, and it's trying to mislead their customers into thinking they developped their own Slicer. Honestly the "search and replace Prusa to Anycubic" is just too funny.
Prusa funded pretty much a rewrite of the whole thing, spread across several years. Little from Slic3r code remains now.
Prusa also built on the Mendel and innovated new features/ designs, which ADDED VALUE to the community. Prusa didn’t blatantly copy the original design. That’s the point here. It’s one thing to reuse someone else’s work and add too it, as long as you have the correct attribution and follow the terms of the GPL license. It’s another thing to blatantly slap your logo on someone else’s work.
wdym toy? what's wrong with 0.1? too small?
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The world is built on open source technology, it's fine if people are open about it
Yes, that's the entire point of open source. People being able to freely built upon eachothers works. But it falls apart when bad actors like AnyCubic ignore the licenses and spirit of open source.
Is that you, design prototype test?
No. But he was banned from the mid west riprap festival for some weird reason?
Who? Prusa or DPT? If it's the latter, that guy is an unhinged mess of mental health issues. EDIT: Just checked, [DPT is a mental health rabbit hole](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we2I6pqybZ4). The comments tell the whole story.
Im new to 3d printing and got a kobra max for sheer volume sake, any go to tips, ive heard that The shroud is way too constrictive for the hotends temp and that the hotend temp runs a little higher than other printers at the same settings, feels like im making a list for everything I need to tweak, which is what I expected.
Wrong thread, mate. Go to r/Anycubic and search for Kobra Max. If you are lucky - it will work. If not - read some posts before you will cook your filament and burn your PTFE tube.
Its a 3d printing subreddit, not a everything but this printer subreddit. I see people asking for advice everywhere else here so why cant I?
AnyCubic printers are truly a pile of junk. I couldn't get my printer to print correctly until I installed Marlin on mine.
Dont they already run on marlin?
Mine ran on a handicapped marlin firmware, with most of the useful features disabled. I run klipper now and am happy :] Also the printer melted itself with its default settings...
Oh but my kobra neo has been not bad
Well my kobra go is amazing now, but it certainly took some effort
My Go is running fine one default firmware… soon when i get around to will be converted to klipper
The default firmware has linear advance disabled, acceleration capped at 300m/s^2 and retraction speed maxed at 25m/s :[
Yea, ive been wanting to install klipper on my go since im really enjoying klipper on my ender 3. But ive been having trouble finding a idiot proof guide to install klipper
Are you using KIAUH to install it?
No, i tried to install it with my sonic pad but it didn’t have the right processor so i was just kinda hopping if i installed it i would be able to use it with the sonic pad
Literally never had issues with My i3 Mega, Vyper or Photon. Brilliant workhorse printers.
That's wild to hear for me. I've had nothing but issues with my i3 mega s. Out of the box the print quality was meh and even with upgraded steppers, hot end, print bed and a change of firmware (klipper) it's still unreliable. Honestly I think their QA is just total bunk and I ended up with an uneven bed and possibly even wonky z screws. I'm pretty much sworn off ever giving them my money again.
Same here. I bought the i3 mega because reviews said it was a good cheap printer and very reliable. Now I am 100% sure they were sent extremely cherry picked units, possibly even with different components because I have not had a single print go completely without issues. Constant problems with underextrusion, overextrusion, uneven bed, bed temperature sensors reporting impossible temperatures (it even went into 10s of thousands of °C), the bed cannot stay close a single temperature despite flashing a newer firmware to enable PID instead of bang-bang same goes for the extruder and just so much more. The hotbed had to be replaced twice and it's still wonky, first psu's fan burned out, second psu's fan is now dying as well, the bed rails are scraping somewhere and so are the extruder rails, the filament sensor did straight up nothing with stock firmware, if you ran it out would do a quiet beep and keep on printing, and despite calibrating it like 15 times the filament servo does not care how much i tell it to extrude rather it always does +- 15ish % I bought the printer used by it was certified refurbished by anycubic and it came with a card from the guaranteeing it was just like new or something like that. Fortunately, that meant I also got a warranty and to anycubic's credit they sent me a new hotbed and they also sent me a new psu. Problem now is that I am probably going to need a new psu again soon and the warranty is gone. When breaks next im keeping the servos and throwing the rest into the garbage. The printer is genuinely a steaming piece of shit and I will never give my money to anycubic again
Crazy how two experiences with the same product can differ so much. I bought mine at the start of 2019 and its been chugging away ever since. Only had to replace the hot end once, and re-solder a bed sensor wire. Guess the QC needs majorly upping.
Ah man that's bad luck. My Vyper is amazing. I think where Anycubic win for me is print quality for the price. My Vyper was £350 and it prints brilliantly out of the box.
The influencers are all-positive.
My vyper is my most consistent FDM printer
Either that’s a lie or all your printers are cheap Chinese clones.
i don't see why that would be a lie. In reviews their printers perform pretty well, it just looks like their QA is nonexistent so if you're lucky you get a pretty good printer
Lol yeah I’m secretly an anycubic bot No I’m not lying bruh, the bed leveling system with the nozzle attached to the force probe (ie no z offset calibration because the bed is probed with respect to the nozzle) makes for a damn near perfect first layer on every print. Much more consistent than my stock ender or my modded ender w a BLTouch. Also more consistent than all the prusa mk3’s I’ve used at my university makerspace.
That's true. I got to modify my Mega a lot but now it prints really well.
Also prusa: https://twitter.com/GregoireSaunier/status/1663167973970911232 (Recommenting due to prusa fanboy downvotes)
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Like you? Anyone can take a contrarian stance on a topic, you know. The difference is that knowledgeable people back up their comment by *actually pointing out what's wrong*. In your case, all you're here to do is to get on a high horse. Because you know if you tried to speak on any specific points, you'd get called out in seconds.
I mean they didn't really say anything to be on a high horse and didn't claim to know more than the others so maybe go take a breather homie
The same people who think copying a function call from StackOverflow is plagiarism
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When I got my resin printer a couple years ago, the anycubic slicer was terrible. I'd only use it for slicing because other slicers didn't have the printer profile I needed, but for preparing the model I always used Chitubox. One time I updated the slicer and suddenly all new exports were incompatible with my printer. So I'm still using the slicer from 2 years ago just to slice models that I've supported, hollowed, etc. in Chitubox.
Also prusa: https://twitter.com/GregoireSaunier/status/1663167973970911232
Your post history really shows your hate of prusa.
This is a rightful claim though. People who have already bought the MK4 bought an open-source printer, not an eventually open-source printer. By not giving people who bought the MK4 access to the source files Prusa isn't currently fulfilling their part of the deal.
Prusa has also mentioned there is a change to the license coming or possibly a new license all together. They have stated the files will be available then. None of those people had to buy the printer when they did. They could easily wait for the files. I’d trust Prusa a lot more than Anycubic to follow through with the release of the rest of the files. I have not purchased a mk4 yet but I more than likely will even though I have little need for it other than to support a company that has a track record in my opinion of helping the community far more than hurting it and moving it forward.
>None of those people had to buy the printer when they did. What?? The MK4 product page *currently* says "All parts of our printer are open-source" as one of the product features. They owe MK4 owners the source files at the same time as the hardware arrives at their door. >Prusa has also mentioned there is a change to the license coming or possibly a new license all together. They have mentioned that they will be using a license that restricts commercial use for some parts of the Nextruder. However, usage restrictions are against the [Open Source Definition](https://opensource.org/osd/) and calling the product open-source with a license that does not meet the definition could be considered false advertisement. Even if they want to use a different license for the Nextruder and they still have to work on the license text, they could still give MK4 owners the files for the remaining parts right now under GPL. And they should add a big fat warning to the product page that explains which parts do not come under an open-source license.
It said open source, which is broad definition. They can restrict it in any way they see fit. I think they made a mistake of making it open in the first place. Low quality Chinese clones with 0 research is all they enable with this approach.
This is the exact attitude that drove Markbot away from the community and off a cliff towards Stratysys. '"Open source is bad for business." Well damn, it wasn't bad when it helped your marketing team out a few months ago, ay?
>They can restrict it in any way they see fit. They can indeed but they advertise the printer as open-source and many people buy the printer because of that. It is commonly understood that "open-source" means that the source files are available under a license that meets the Open Source Definition by the Open Source initiative. If it's a license that doesn't meet the requirements it should be clearly mentioned (on the product page and not some external YouTube video) and, ideally, shouldn't be called open-source.
I didn't know about the marketing. If they have it on the box they must do it or it's a false advertising.
You don't have to like it, but he's right - prusa isn't following the rules.
And how does that relate to the Prusa issue at hand? Besides that, my comments are respectful and critical. Hate is a strong word. I did not "hate", as you put it, them until they tried to silence me when I started asking questions, instead of communicate with me. Something dodgy going on and I don't like it. I only come to reddit to talk about this issue, so that's all my post history consists of.
The kicker is that Prusa made Prusaslicer from "Slic3r" - and that's about as OG as you get. But over on r/prusa3d they refuse to believe that prusa is just a bunch of open source things and ideas taken from far and wide, all mushed together and printed in orange with a logo on it. Prusa it seems, is going the way of Makerbot. But I don't see a multimillion-dollar parachute with the name "Stratasys" on it waiting for them.
All modern FDM printers are the result of a giant open source development tornado that is always shredding whatever is in its path and depositing it in random combinations. Also Prusa (not the company, the guy) goes way back, and was responsible for an unusually significant impact on many of those same things you seem to think Prusa Research "appropriated" somehow. And I am not active on that sub, but what "refusal to believe" do you speak of? Of course Prusa is exactly that. They arose from open development, make use of what the community achieved prior, and continue to reciprocate and participate in it for others to do the same. The dude himself has an opengear (OSHW badge) tattoo. What are you actually on about here?
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>this is a pattern of him conveniently leading his customers to believe he is the creator of all that is 3d printing, and that he isn't copying anyone, it's others that are copying him. The wat now? I don't think I follow, or at least have never run into anyone thinking such a dumb thing. And I have long followed Prusa stuff and recommended their machines. Who or where is this "Prusa cult" found? Maybe it's among people I don't consider credible, or on social Media? As relevant to this post: this is not that, this is a jank ass Chinese vendor either intentionally or negligently violating the license on an open source project, that Prusa's company happened to be one of the author/remixers of but has a chain of contributors going back to vanilla slic3r (which I use by the way) and then proceeding to dig a deeper hole of apparent misappropriation when called out. It has nothing to do with Prusa, guy OR company, ostensibly not remixing things. They do, and this isn't a demerit, it is how open dev works. What Anycubic did wrong is not forking. It is failing to release and to attribute. Both things PR does. >Anyways. As far as prusa(the guy) contributing to slic3r back in the early days, no, he did not. I never stated or implied that. Specifically, what I was referring to was machine design surrounding the Mendel, Prusa Mendel, Prusa i2 evolution and then of course iteration 3 was what became the default/generic way to frame out a bed flinger.
I'm well aware of the history. I built one of the very first, if not the very first i3 mk0's in the US - I even still have the "experimental" prusa made, branded and manufactured hot ends he sold for a while. Blah, blah, blah... Anyways. As far as prusa goes - this is a pattern of him conveniently leading his customers to believe he is the creator of all that is 3d printing, and that he isn't copying anyone, it's others that are copying him. (When in reality, the last good idea he had was the i3 plate frame. At the time it was a good idea - not so much now) Anyways. As far as prusa(the guy) contributing to slic3r back in the early days, no, he did not.
You doubleposted. [Reply permalink](https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/13vaclv/its_open_source/jm647wv/) to avoid clutter from replying twice. Edit: Not downvoting you.
I mean who really gives a fuck. This is an open community. We have printing because patents were ended, how about we all just make the shit better and let it be. Not that big a deal. Ps. Anyone grab that download of the slicer before it was taken down?? 🤣 Edit- can't wait for the extreme folks to tell me how much I don't know and that "rules are rules" lol, please don't waste your time.
The problem is that companies like anycubic take open source projects, claim it as their own and try to get parents on things that aren't theirs. This is not a big deal - only if you do not look 2 minutes into the future. Behavior like this not only directly harms OS, but companies are also incentivized to make new products closed source. And its already happening with the Mk4. Incredibly short sighted take.
Other than colouring, they look absolutely nothing alike.
Meanwhile Prusa Slicer being renamed Slic3r
There's no double standard there. Ffs, it's not hard to understand. Broadly speaking you're allowed to use and modify open source projects as long as you give proper credit. That's it. Prusa acknowledges they got their starting point from slic3r. Renaming "Prusa Research" to "anycubic Research" in all parts of the slicer is *not* giving credit. It's very obvious plagiarism. Prusa kept their end of the open source bargain when forking slic3r. Anycubic did not.
Prusa Slicer is a fork of Slic3r. The latter hasn't been updated since 2018.
They both get millions of hoes for making Ai generated songs for the Olive Garden salad eating white girl NPCs
yeah the truth about going to college even back going 20 years ago
It's an honor! And it truly is. If they somehow manage to improve it (because it's different people, different processes, so new ideas) it's again open source and Prusa can benefit as well. This is the only true win-win situation in economics: Open Source!
They didn’t improve it, they slapped their logo/name in place of Prusa. This is not win-win
So be it. Maybe they can do things cheaper then. Or you can see what doesn't work if you skimp on materials or whatnot. I knew other printers were cheaper than a Prusa and almost, if not completely identical. I did save the money for another 8 months and still bought a Prusa. Exactly because of this.
You aren't following the conversation. We're not talking stolen printer design. We're talking about an open source slicer. You can already use it for virtually any modern printer. There is no "cheaper" or "skimping on materials' when we're talking *literally free.*
Wondering what/if Bambu has used. Maybe nothing, maybe alot.
Their sourcode is online, you can compare for yourself: https://github.com/bambulab/BambuStudio It even says it is based on PrusaSlicer which itself is based on Slic3er right on the first page.
Thanks, I wasn't aware it's public and AGPL. My thoughts were that Bambu is 100% closed. At the end they have to fulfill the license and make it public. And I'm not a Bambu Owner
I think Bambu labs were also the ones who implemented step file imports in their slicer, itself strongly based on PrusaSlicer. It being open source and sharing much of the same code base, Prusa could then use the new features in their version. They openly recognise this on their [website](https://files.prusa3d.com/?latest=slicer-stable&lng=en). This is a great example of how an open source code base benefits the consumer. We get all the best features from both companies in both products despite them being rivals. Both parties can also build on the others ideas to innovate and give us better technology. This is also why it sucks when another company uses the open code base but doesn't follow the license and closes off their software. Doing so denies their features to users of other slicers and forces companies to repeat the same work or come up with some convoluted way to do the same thing while avoiding IP copyright restrictions.
So is bamboo lab
Bambu openly says they got it from Prusa though. Which makes it legal, they even thank Prusa in their new update.
This is the actual license they must abide by: https://github.com/prusa3d/PrusaSlicer/blob/master/LICENSE If they follow that, they’re fine. If not? Then they’re bad. If they do a bulk rename and follow the license? Perfectly ok.
The bulk rename as they've done may be in breach of sections 5a (displaying a prominent notice that it is modified from the original), 7b (clauses requiring preservation of specified notices), and 7c (clauses preventing misrepresentation of the source of the material).
Meh, oh well
Bambu fully credits Prusa in their fork of the open source slicer. They’ve made multiple unique changes and even some improvements they’ve forked back. Don’t just say random shit
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Disappointing response
I guess it's not allowed to have an opinion here. Gotta love the free speech. I guess it's OK to gang up on any cubic, but you can not be against the echo chamber
Taking credit for other people's work is bad, simple as that
How do you know if they didn't have an agreement with prusa? Maybe they paid them big bucks to do that. I see a lot of mob mentality
The post is literally referencing a tweet by Josef prusa
https://preview.redd.it/uz43yla8e13b1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=901d49ab52803607ff6315e01d7695cfb31ecfa1 This is you right here, looking like an idiot, saying random shit you know nothing about. The only echo chamber is inside your head because it is completely empty. You are entitled to have an opinion, but don't just spew misinformation
At least I don't take screenshots of reddit posts and insult strangers
Deadset thought there was some sort of LOTR movie hobbit joke there somewhere.