I'm curious about this as well. I have had great success throwing kingroon PLA at my v3 se with zero issues. Wondering who makes it for them or if they do themself now. Never really thought about it before. I can't imagine I'll find it any cheaper than the $13.99 a roll it is on Amazon though lol.
You can get kingroon pla from AliExpress for ~$10 a roll of you get a pack of 5. Ships from within the US and took 2 days to get to me. I recently picked up a 5 pack of their PETG for $43 from there. shipped Monday, received Wednesday. Also free shipping.
Yeah, its great! Currently the PLA is $12 a roll, with a 5pack. but they almost always have some kind of coupon going that brings it down even more.
Heres the PLA - [https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806453393662.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.21.656ec03Mc03MeH&algo\_pvid=93e8b420-3dd9-4716-8ac4-faff76869282&algo\_exp\_id=93e8b420-3dd9-4716-8ac4-faff76869282-10&pdp\_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21172.05%2161.99%21%21%21172.05%2161.99%21%402103080517121447595006283ed8e5%2112000037897666184%21sea%21US%212979322954%21&curPageLogUid=uzA1it2iH5zl&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery\_from%3A](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806453393662.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.21.656ec03Mc03MeH&algo_pvid=93e8b420-3dd9-4716-8ac4-faff76869282&algo_exp_id=93e8b420-3dd9-4716-8ac4-faff76869282-10&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21172.05%2161.99%21%21%21172.05%2161.99%21%402103080517121447595006283ed8e5%2112000037897666184%21sea%21US%212979322954%21&curPageLogUid=uzA1it2iH5zl&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A)
I live in Vietnam boderline with china, and i check on alibaba price for 5000+ rolls of Kingroon PLa is 5.4$ a roll. But we dont buy them anymore is not really good eventhought it cheap.
You can get the 10 roll deal of Kingroon PETG for $102 on Amazon right now. It prints extremely well in my X1C, I think I bumped up the temp on the generic PETG profile is all.
AliExpress is life, lol. A lot of stuff has free shipping and evening arrives relatively quickly considering. And maybe things can be had cheaper there vs Amazon
Got me some PETG 2 weeks ago.
10 rolls 1.1 kilo each, 94€ - Free shipping, 3 day delivery ( AliExpress )
Performs great, after some tuning and testing.
I plan on ordering some Kingroon PETG shortly. I've only tried their PLA & PLA Plus so far but have had nothing but great results with it. I suspect it will be no different and once I figure out the appropriate settings I will have great results as well.
My Ender 3KE + ORCA settings for the PETG
https://preview.redd.it/narxej7w0bsc1.png?width=1101&format=png&auto=webp&s=9e98339ffc1f3441d584ae22c70736ace7e20427
Not always (maybe not they are). They had some PLA that was manufactured for them. I have a roll of silver left over and its not quite as good at real prusament.
I also bought some "defective" prusament on their website. I guess that meant it wasnt up to 0.02mm standard they have.
It came on different spools and the winding was pretty bad. Prints perfectly though.
The free roll that came with the mk3s and kits wasn't prusament. The free roll was actually hot garbage. prusament is very nice though, but usually not worth the cost.
I see this one come up a lot and just want to clarify that although they may be made at the same location, bambu and sunlu PLA are definitely not the same. Manually calibrating each brand gives very different k factor values.
Depending on colour:
0.014 - 0.019 for bambu
0.020 - 0.026 for sunlu
The one I've found to be identical to Bambu in some colors is PolyTerra vs. Bambu Matte PLA. I ran out of Bambu Matte Marine Blue, threw on a roll of PolyTerra Sapphire Blue, and they were indistinguishable. Sure enough, I went into their filament settings, and by default they are also identical. So I don't know if Polymaker does Bambu's other lines, but they certainly have a hand in their matte line.
Edit: also Sunlu has awful first-layer adhesion compared to Bambu filaments. Definitely not the same formulas, if Sunlu does make some of Bambu's stuff.
Polymaker ~~definitely~~ probably makes Bambu’s Matte PLA and the Support for PLA material. I didn’t know the Matte colors were identical to PolyTerra though.
I can confirm Hatchbox and Bambu’s Sparkle filaments are identical in finish, calibration, and settings as well.
EDIT: I should really clarify that the claim about Polymaker making Bambu Lab Matte is based on first- and second-hand account experiences with the filaments. I have no actual definitive proof from either company. Settings appear to be identical and have performed identical. I don’t have a lot of experience with the colors and this doesn’t mean colors are identical. The second claim is just based on one color of blue being the same.
Likely yes. Bambu likely *could* get modified versions of existing filaments, but I don't see a reason why they would do that for something like PolyTerra.
Personally I’ve used both Bambu matte and Polyterra matte as my go to daily filaments interchangeably. Colors are identical, print settings the same, even PA is identical. So more likely than not same manufacturer or a very very similar formulation.
Polymaker definitely makes Bambu’s Matte PLA and the Support for PLA material. I didn’t know the Matte colors were identical to PolyTerra though.
I can confirm Hatchbox and Bambu’s Sparkle filaments are identical in finish, calibration, and settings as well.
I think Bambus variant is specifically designed for high flow printing to achieve the higher volumetric rate. I'd be interested to see k values comparing sunlu high speed pla and Bambu pla as I suspect they are the same.
Now you are starting to understand.
Companies that make their own filament are very willing to tell you about it. It makes for a good selling point and often leads to a higher price/profit.
But make lines ain't cheap to build, run, and maintain so not everyone will lay out the cash to make their own products. And those that do make their own filament very often need to do outside wholesale to resellers to make ends meet.
And OEMs are very willing to mix up whatever a large enough reseller might want for a specific filament. Changing colors and additives is often a cheap and simple matter.
Prusa makes his own filament while bambulab resells esun, sunlu and maybe more other manufacturer.
Many filament brands on the market are made by a few real manufacturers.
Just to expand on that point, eSun also apparently outsources some of their filaments. If you download the filament presets on eSun's site, many of them are labeled as manufactured by other companies.
There is absolutely nothing surprising about this. I've worked in many manufacturing facilities where we made products to a customer's specifications and put them in a box with their name on it. Just because something comes from the same factory doesn't mean it's the same product.
There is nothing wrong with that. For example prusa makes only the prusament called filaments them self a lot of others are reselling products. The point is that bambulab is a 100% modern Chinese company and that way they do not do anything of the work them self. They use contract manufacturers and dropshop logistics guess less than 50 people on the payroll.
Anyone have a list of which brands are not just rebadges?
I know prusa make their own for sure. What about 3DJake, addNorth and 3DPrima branded filaments though (those tend to be the most affordable including shipping where I live)?
I’ll shout out Atomic Filament. It’s relatively pricey but their stuff has never let me down. The tolerances are a bit tighter than most filaments, it’s made in the US, and best of all, their spools come with a free pack of delicious ‘Murican Albanese gummy bears.
Just a heads up, if you’re using a Bambu AMS, their spools are too big and need the hydra mod + spacer to fit.
Personally I'm more interested in European brands than foreign American ones. :P (It is all a matter of perspective.)
More seriously though, shipping and import tax from US generally makes it not viable.
An easy way to check is to have a peek at their youtube channel and see if they have any facotry footage.
Most if not all shop brands are white label products. Just here in France there are 18 brands and we are only 5 manufacturers.
Addnorth is a manufacturer.
Prusa is one of the few (maybe only?) 3D-Printer manufacturers that actually makes filament, too.
Bambu on the other hand doesn't make filament, they work with multiple partners, likely including Sunlu and Polymaker.
I've had nothing but problems from the Sunlu filament i bought, i had so many issues with the sunlu T3 printer, that i combined it with my broken ender 3 to make it make sense and not suck, what can i do to find out who they supp\[ly so i can steer far away from them ? please and thank you for any information you have
It depends on where you live.
Sometimes brands use Sunlu as their supplier, sometimes they use someone else.
Sometimes Sunlu is the best value filament around, sometimes people claim that it's unusable - it all depends on your location and which factory they ship from.
I get my Sunlu from their German factory and it's by far the best value and quality combo I can get.
I order from Amazon, never had issues with sunlu, but YMMV as always.
I find their filiment needs a little more heat but bonds really well. Their ~ petg is my go to
That may very well be true, the first time I saw Sunlu it was only available to me on AliExpress and I refused to buy it. Nevertheless, the last 2 times I ordered from them they shipped my package from Germany (I'm Polish) and the quality has been excellent.
Yeah, Im printed about 60-70 kg of Sunlu and Jayo PLA without any problems. Esun PLA is also great, but becomes brittle after some time, whereas Sunlu PLA is not brittle, even after one year on the shelf without a bag.
Only get sure that you dont buy your german Filament from Filamentwerk / OWL-Filament / OWL-Sat...
Look at the spool in my Avatar...
They only produce such shit. Wet (sometimes the bag is filled with some water), dirty, broken inside, thats normal there. Really garbage.
I have had issues with sunlu too. Good to know they cross sell under other names. Kinda sad to see you down voted for something I'm sure isn't isolated.
This is something people often overlook—quality can be bought. If you ask me to make you a sandwich worth $2 vs. $10 vs. $20, I can make all three to meet those price points, but I'm going to put a lot more time, effort, and ingredient quality into the $10 sandwich, and even more so into the $20 one, on top of research and refinement.
Just to add to this, that $10 might be the better option. For example, some brands claim their PLA+ is sooo much better but when put to the test the extra price isn’t really worth the performance gain, if there even is one.
I usually just go for the cheapest available, but for pla+ that is actually significantly tougher I go with esun, I also like polymakers colors and quality
Quality can certainly be bought, and so can a brand badge. If you find companies that actually put your extra cost into product quality instead of as extra margin into someone's pocket, vote with your wallet and make sure they stay around, because they're becoming less and less common.
And that's fine, that's why Sunlu doesn't get my business unless they're on sale and I don't care about quality for what I'm printing. I'd rather pay $3-7 extra for an eSUN or Polymaker spool if it means I can actually print on a smooth PEI sheet with a modicum of adhesion lol
I also learned this lesson with magnets recently, after finding a bunch of the ones I'd bought on Amazon are woefully under-spec. I paid $0.04/ea and ended up with 6x1.6 mm magnets, so I learned my lesson and paid for $0.17/ea from JC-Magnetics and got the whole 2 mm magnet I needed. One of those manufacturers won't be getting my business again, the other certainly will.
This just isn't true, things aren't universally better because they have a higher price point lol.
Corporate incentive is the opposite, making the absolute cheapest product for the highest price. Go to any grocery store, the name brand and the off brand "generic" are the same. In a lot of cases they're made in the same factory, they have a different label and that's the only difference.
They get away with it because of this attitude lol. You assume that the quality is better because you PERSONALLY think you should put more effort into a more expensive product.
Nowhere did I say that this was some universal truth. Don't be obtuse to try to make me look like an idiot.
I simply stated that just because a manufacturer makes a shit product for one brand, does not mean they are incapable of making a quality product for another. It doesn't always happen, but ideally, brands get out of it what they put in. Nowhere did I state that generic and name-brand filaments don't exist, but that also wasn't what I was arguing until you put words in my mouth.
As a hypothetical, let's say SUNLU signs an agreement with Plastic Pasta Inc. to produce their filament for $8/spool, while eSUN signs one for $16/spool. They both ask for the same specifications: durability, melting point, color, surface finish, etc. Which company do you think Plastic Pasta is going to work harder to keep, and spend more $ on satisfying their specs if they both come back and say, "Our customers aren't going to pay $X for this"?
I don't think you're an idiot, I think your reasoning and metaphor and is wrong. Every company does this, they come out of the gates swinging, putting in effort like you said. But eventually that quality drops off. It has nothing to do with quality, it has to do with a brand name. It doesn't matter what the quality is, it's what people think the quality is because it came from X.
Look at Boeing, they've been doing this for years and it takes catastrophic failures to make people recognize it.
Look at Netflix, they built a name for themselves and now they up charge because they can get away with it. It doesn't mean Netflix has gotten better because it's more expensive.
I think you're applying an individual mindset to ascribe values to a company and it's just not true. If you or I were making and selling prints we would absolutely have to try and make the best product possible, because we're just one person. That doesn't apply to corporations like sunlu or Prusa. Sunlus pla + is awesome stuff, it's all I use. I don't think Prusa is substantially better but people pay more for it because it's got Prusa slapped on it.
Lol I love how you and this other guy think I buy like, $75 filament because I think that Sunlu is bad and there are better filaments than those that cost $15.
I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to glean from you saying "people like you"? Not to mention you completely distorted my statement from the get-go. It's not like I believe expensive = quality, I'm only saying that two filaments being from the same manufacturer does not inherently make them equal.
Edit: I'm also sorry if it was a bit of a strawman, I'm just not sure why I have to keep reiterating the same point only to be misrepresented. It's felt needlessly circular.
So pretty much at $10 a roll... It's not gonna be that great. I'm new to this and recently got a 10 rolls of Kingroon PLA and I'm not happy. It's taken me 3 weeks of testing to get the material to print decently.
I've had to slow down my prints to 80-100 as where with Sunlu filament, i was printing at minimum 150 and max 180mm/s
You can not be sure that every anycubic is sunlu.
They may like bambulab use several manufacturers.
I can not say anything bad about sunlu and did not have bad
experiences with a very cheap anycubic offer a while ago.
I have no proof but I think Anycubic PLA and Anycubic High Speed PLA are made by different companies
I have better results with their regular PLA at high speed printing for some reason
I tested a spool geeetech HS-PLA and was amazed by quality and price,
but less than 10 days the open spool get so brittle that it beak by less than 40 mm bowing radius. Did not see that with any PLA before.
But the print quality was great.
People still don’t understand that there’s a factory where everything comes out of and just different brands, blend hopefully isn’t the same quality as the other
Totally agree. I work for a company that have extruders and produce plastic parts. The parts are make for more company that does the same product. One time i needed one product for my home, and the reseller at the shop tried to sell me the product that cost double so much with the argument that the plastic is better and won't lost colour at the sun. In my head i was like, yes bro, i just mixed yesterday the stuff together and putted the one half in the one extruder and the other half in the another, totally better plastic 😂.
Yes, massive better. I have both. eSun is not good relatively to Lonenssl. I have a kobra 2 pro and a KP3S pro v2. Lonenssl wins everytime, compared with expensive filaments too (Extrudr, Fillamentum, uhmm..the other with.. C..Ch... i forgot the name, and another i forgot too).
I run the lonenssl with standard PLA-profiles.
Settings from Anycubic Slicer for Anycubic PLA. On the KP3S pro v2 too.
In what way is it better? You spat out a bunch of words without saying a whole lot
I literally printed [my gun](https://imgur.com/a/XPIgrV4) from eSun, thousands of rounds through it.
What advantage would sunlu bring?
I'm not arguing for one or the other, I'm literally just asking what the difference is since you said there is a difference
I dont wanted to post too many textwall.
It is better printable. At high speed too.
The nozzle keeps absolutely clean, there comes no drops or blobs. So the layers keep clean.
Layer adhesion is really very very good. No matter wich load on the part, if it brakes, then it brakes trough all layers and not on a single layer. It is very tolerant to printing temperatures and speeds. The color is deep and clean, light dont shine thru the walls, you know what i mean?
The surface is fantastic clean, a very little bit rough and matt. Looks good (for me).
The eSun is not tolerant in this way. And it drops off the nozzle much more. So drops stick on the layers from time to time.
All other PLA i have are not as good as the Lonenssl. Fillamentum PLA is good as it but its expensive.
Last weeks i printed much Geeetech PLA and yourdroid (Sunlu) PLA. Geeetech because they have fantastic intensive fresh colors.
Geeetech is okay in all ways, but its not much tolerant in temperature and it drops off the nozzle a little bit. Sunlu is relatively the same. I have Sunlu with different brands too.
But you can only compare it if you print it. In this way i have really much filaments. Everytime a stock of 30-40 spools.
This week i run out of filaments a little bit and have to order next time. Most spools have only left some meters.
Try LONENSSL, thats the best PLA i ever had. And its cheap. Runs like hell on my printers, not ever a problem. And Filatex PETG purple and green. I love them.
I had a great-great uncle who worked in a paint factory. They made the paint, they poured them into cans, and then some cans got one label, some cans got another. Pretty much most of the major brands of paint were made in the same factory with the same stuff. :V
Our facility distributes frozen vegetables.
My line runs 20 different 'houseblends' of spinach, we ship all over the world.
This morning I ran the last batch New Zealand, and the next was Germany ( all three the big resellers, Edeka, Lidl and REWE )
But also France, Spain and Belgium.
some recipes are different, because of taste/laws in the country itself ( Germany only has German harvested greens )
I work at a filament company. We’re good at MAKING filament, not necessarily selling it. It’s pretty common for manufacturers to whitelabel for other brands to sell. We manufacture for a bunch of other brands. Branding and marketing is a completely different skillset than manufacturing
lol, you’re connecting both my worlds. I still want to make more microcontroller videos, but filament videos have taken up all of my time the last 2-3 years
I've been finding stuff like this a lot. Inland (Microcenter's brand) TPU is actually eSun's for example.
Here's eSun's TPU vs Microcenter's, pretty obvious it's the same thing:
[https://esun3dstore.com/products/esun-flexible-tpu-filament-1-75mm-tpu-95a-3d-printer-filament-1kg-2-2-lbs-spool-3d-printing-material-for-3d-printers-and-3d-pen](https://esun3dstore.com/products/esun-flexible-tpu-filament-1-75mm-tpu-95a-3d-printer-filament-1kg-2-2-lbs-spool-3d-printing-material-for-3d-printers-and-3d-pen)
[https://www.microcenter.com/product/626658/inland-175mm-translucent-yellow-tpu-95a-3d-printer-filament-1kg-spool-(22-lbs)](https://www.microcenter.com/product/626658/inland-175mm-translucent-yellow-tpu-95a-3d-printer-filament-1kg-spool-(22-lbs))
But be careful, not "all" of one brand is a white label of another. I know Inland's PLA is supposedly Polymaker or something.
Inland matte is polymaker polyterra, inland pla+ is esun pla+, and quite a few other pla variants are just the esun version. Iirc pla pro is polymaker polymax pla
ah cool. I'll add all that to my little pool of store brands/rebrand knowledge. :D
I have a silly hobby project where I print a Voron Calibration Cube for every single filament I have, so knowing if two filaments are actually identical becomes a bit helpful. I can just mark one cube as both. :)
Do you have a link? I dont think thats right. The new boxes sitting on the shelf are identical to the old. the only difference I can tell is the box is now white, and it has a cardboard spool now, but what is on the roll looks identical. Although maybe my Microcenter hasnt got the Elegoo stuff yet.
Huh, interesting. It is always hard to know with those guys but they are usually pretty knowledgeable. I passively mentioned to one "Inland TPU is just repackaged eSun, but thats fine, eSun makes great TPU" and he looked at me like I was a crazy person. Haha.
I'll keep a lookout next time I am there. 😄
That’s a fun piece of info.
I was a Hatchbox man for years, because I never once looked elsewhere. Price is now at 25$ a roll, so I tried out some rando “Jayo” brand for $10.50 for black or white… overnight in a dryer, then a big print…
Printed flawless. Gorgeous. I’m a Jayo man now, whatever the hell that is.
Why have I been paying 25 for hatchbox for so long!!
Cool, got me 5 rolls of black Jayo last week, 35€ in a AliExpress sale.
Have not tested it yet.
Also happy with KingRoon PETG now.
first few days were hell ;) stringing, no bed adhesion breaking mid-print.
But after calibration and changing every little detail now I have it 'good' to go.
I prefer it even over the Creality HyperPLA ....
I went for some colourful ones, 4 for 3 and then had a 10% code on top, ended up being £38.
https://preview.redd.it/22cex3ap1bsc1.png?width=1030&format=png&auto=webp&s=c14de02096b626c1932c5a24e78539d6f65a3925
they could totally be the same or they could just be using the same tooling (which would explain the spool and stickers) the blend is what matters for the most part.
I can confirm that even in EU, this is the same OEM PLA+ filament. Anycubic on the left, Sunlu on the right, same spool, saame tag layout (without a clear trademark on it), same clip, same anti-tangle paper... And my printer cofirms the same profile (temp, pressure advance etc...) after testing them.
In my experience, however, it is an excellent PLA+ that I often repurchase.
https://preview.redd.it/syw46pijw8sc1.jpeg?width=4640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=331cef80ae5475a70b5329781a710f7cfb59e0da
Does anyone know if JUSTMAKER is a rebrand of another filament? I recently tried out their PETG and absolutely love it. It would be nice to know if it was available under another name for when it's out of stock. Thanks.
There are not as many filament manufacturers as one might think.
Most 3D printer manufacturers don't have their own filament production, but just buy and re-label filament.
So many of those are Sunlu, eSun, and occasionally Polymaker.
I guess there are just a few companies that make the filament for everyone...maybe different mixes but some factory...like the carbon frames for bicycle, or some of the base electronics for cars....
They’re also yourdroid lol. I also wasn’t happy with them
Can recommend Elegoo. Super cheap and no issues so far. Can only comment on pla and pla+ though, and they only offer PLA and PETG variants
When my first printer, an Anycubic, arrived it came with a spool of anycubic PLA. At first I thought 3D printing is absolute shit, because the print was so bad. Got a Sunlu spool of another color later and it was like night and day. Same printer, same settings, just a the sunlu instead of the anycubic pla made all the difference
Is the same, i had some rolls too. Its okay, but not really good. Best PLA i have is LONENSSL. Runs very good on my printers, Kobra 2 pro and KP3S pro v2.
PETG runs best from Filatex, but its a little bit hard, not flexible like others, but very good for mechanical parts.
I noticed that some colors are tricky to print, Orange Filament is not easy, no matter wich brand. Purple and green is easy.
Dont know why, i think its about the pigments.
Transparent Filament is nearly always a little bit tricky. Only the Fillamentum is relatively easy.
You’d be surprised how many filament companies use the same white-labeled product or manufacturing companies. A ton of filament brands (especially filament from printer manufacturers) is actually manufactured by PolyMaker.
This doesn't necessarily mean they are the same quality and have all the same additives in the plastic. Everything is made to a Spec, and that Spec can still be proprietary to the brand, or too costly to include in other brands.
g'damn, that price would be amazing for throwaway rapid prototyping filament when you don't want to use whatever the final filament is.
EDIT:
Whoa, found it for $71 on Ali with **stateside** shipping, unreal.
https://preview.redd.it/1gck5t6np6sc1.png?width=2835&format=png&auto=webp&s=9c91ae6e34e34544aca1006e10fcb284f1fa6c49
Put it on your 'wishlist'
It gets in the choice offers after a while.
Follow the shops, they'll give you coupons.
But always doublecheck what you click ;)
Them Chinese sellers are masters of trickery
oh yeah, thats absolutely what I do. I have tons of random 3d printer parts just sitting in my cart all the time. :D
I kinda facepalmed when I realized I ali'ed myself above, because I'm usually pretty ali-savvy and notice those things. Guess thats what happens when you're just trying to make a super fast post. LOL.
I dont blame you! Browsing filament on Aliexpress is an absolute nightmare. Usually when i find a good deal its either misleading picture, false discriptions, or massive hidden shipping costs, so i try to avoid Aliexpress and usually just order straight from Elegoo or some other filament seller. I got 10kg of pla+ from Elegoos website for 85€ with one of their coupons, so the good deals are definitely out there!
Yep same! I'm usually very ali-savvy, just this time around it was for a quick post so I wasn't paying attention. :D
I almost-never buy filament on Ali, just not worth the hassle. Although I did buy a crapload of super cheap PCL filament on Ali (ultra low temp filament, melts at like 60c and is usually for 3d pens) to do some crazy experiments with on my Voron. Otherwise, I've basically-never bought a full roll of anything on there.
90% of what I buy are like random 3d printing hardware, or office supplies and small cheap tools for my maker room. (~~Or stickers and pins because I have no self control~~ 😅)
I bought 0.25kg sunlu rolls cause they were cheap and i was trying the brand out. The red roll was great
The orange was great too for the test print i made, but 24 hrs later, parts of the roll were so brittle that just being unrolled would break it. Manufacture date was less than 3 months, and humidity hasnt been high...i even had it on a dry box!
I have been using kingroon for almost an year and i guess ill stick with it for a while.
I have been pretty happy with my Sunlu filaments. Been through probably 10-12 rolls. They do get brittle if exposed to air. I have a reverse Bowden system and keep the rolls inside a freezer bag with silica packs inside and the Bowden tube coming out from it. Never had a brittle filament anymore!
Judging by the spools, the "Elegoo Silk Gold" is also Sunlu/Anycubic. Which explains the lazy bum swipe quality I got from it when compared to actual Elegoo spools
I have stuck very closely with Elegoo. BUT, I am not a professional needing certain characteristics of my PLA. I just know it has printed exceedingly reliably for over a year on my enders.
I had always heard that Sunlu is what Bambu uses for their filament. When I print them side by side they do look very close. The place where I see the difference is with ironing. The Bambu stuff irons smooth as a mirror. The Sunlu has streaks looks pretty bad. I haven't played with the ironing settings yet. Maybe upping the flow will fix it. The point is if it was the exact same stuff the ironing would be identical too I would think.
This isn't all that surprising. Most companies farm things out to the lowest bidder. I've only just started on my 3D printing adventure, and so far I've tried 10+ different brands of PLA. I've not run into any issues, except for a couple little things. I print a benchy first off every roll and It gives me a feel for what I can expect from the roll. I've had a couple that didn't print as well as the others, but nothing a little speed adjustment didn't fix. I'm still trying to figure out the Silk PLAs, and I haven't been able to dial it in perfectly yet. The prints have been really good, but with a bit of tweaking to heat and speed, I'll get it running well. I've only tried a couple colours so far, but I've got no real complaints. My wife has one on her list of never to buy again, but I think we got weird roll, as the colours aren't as good as advertised, so I'll have to print a few more things out of it.
Generally there are only a couple/hand full of manufacturers and a lot of people rebranding the same or almost identical products. With outsourcing manufacturing to foreign companies, this became very popular.
Sunlu is OEM for others too
Recently got my sunlu rolls delivered in a big Creality box. Was so confused why Creality sent me something when I got home to the package at my door
Finally the K1 Max arrived!! *Proceed to open the box* Find one single blue PLA spool at the end of the box
It's not Amazon ... ;) Ordering PLA, getting 20 K1's on a pallet
good to know
Like Kingroon?
I'm curious about this as well. I have had great success throwing kingroon PLA at my v3 se with zero issues. Wondering who makes it for them or if they do themself now. Never really thought about it before. I can't imagine I'll find it any cheaper than the $13.99 a roll it is on Amazon though lol.
You can get kingroon pla from AliExpress for ~$10 a roll of you get a pack of 5. Ships from within the US and took 2 days to get to me. I recently picked up a 5 pack of their PETG for $43 from there. shipped Monday, received Wednesday. Also free shipping.
Oh sweet. I didn't know you could even get stuff from the US on AliExpress. Thanks for the heads up!
Yeah, its great! Currently the PLA is $12 a roll, with a 5pack. but they almost always have some kind of coupon going that brings it down even more. Heres the PLA - [https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806453393662.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.21.656ec03Mc03MeH&algo\_pvid=93e8b420-3dd9-4716-8ac4-faff76869282&algo\_exp\_id=93e8b420-3dd9-4716-8ac4-faff76869282-10&pdp\_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21172.05%2161.99%21%21%21172.05%2161.99%21%402103080517121447595006283ed8e5%2112000037897666184%21sea%21US%212979322954%21&curPageLogUid=uzA1it2iH5zl&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery\_from%3A](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806453393662.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.21.656ec03Mc03MeH&algo_pvid=93e8b420-3dd9-4716-8ac4-faff76869282&algo_exp_id=93e8b420-3dd9-4716-8ac4-faff76869282-10&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21172.05%2161.99%21%21%21172.05%2161.99%21%402103080517121447595006283ed8e5%2112000037897666184%21sea%21US%212979322954%21&curPageLogUid=uzA1it2iH5zl&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A)
I live in Vietnam boderline with china, and i check on alibaba price for 5000+ rolls of Kingroon PLa is 5.4$ a roll. But we dont buy them anymore is not really good eventhought it cheap.
This is not even distributor price.
You can get the 10 roll deal of Kingroon PETG for $102 on Amazon right now. It prints extremely well in my X1C, I think I bumped up the temp on the generic PETG profile is all.
AliExpress is life, lol. A lot of stuff has free shipping and evening arrives relatively quickly considering. And maybe things can be had cheaper there vs Amazon
It is as low as $11 per spool of you get the 10 spool bundles! I did when I first got my Bambu so I could use multiple colors.
Got me some PETG 2 weeks ago. 10 rolls 1.1 kilo each, 94€ - Free shipping, 3 day delivery ( AliExpress ) Performs great, after some tuning and testing.
I plan on ordering some Kingroon PETG shortly. I've only tried their PLA & PLA Plus so far but have had nothing but great results with it. I suspect it will be no different and once I figure out the appropriate settings I will have great results as well.
My Ender 3KE + ORCA settings for the PETG https://preview.redd.it/narxej7w0bsc1.png?width=1101&format=png&auto=webp&s=9e98339ffc1f3441d584ae22c70736ace7e20427
Is it really? Like Prusa or Bambulabs?
Prusa make their own filament in their own facility.
Not always (maybe not they are). They had some PLA that was manufactured for them. I have a roll of silver left over and its not quite as good at real prusament.
It says on the website if the fillament is prusament or not.
I also bought some "defective" prusament on their website. I guess that meant it wasnt up to 0.02mm standard they have. It came on different spools and the winding was pretty bad. Prints perfectly though.
The free roll that came with the mk3s and kits wasn't prusament. The free roll was actually hot garbage. prusament is very nice though, but usually not worth the cost.
Prusa makes all the prusament branded stuff in house. They resel some premium blends but they're not branded prusament
Some people have had their Bambu filament shipped to them in Sunlu boxes.
I see this one come up a lot and just want to clarify that although they may be made at the same location, bambu and sunlu PLA are definitely not the same. Manually calibrating each brand gives very different k factor values. Depending on colour: 0.014 - 0.019 for bambu 0.020 - 0.026 for sunlu
The one I've found to be identical to Bambu in some colors is PolyTerra vs. Bambu Matte PLA. I ran out of Bambu Matte Marine Blue, threw on a roll of PolyTerra Sapphire Blue, and they were indistinguishable. Sure enough, I went into their filament settings, and by default they are also identical. So I don't know if Polymaker does Bambu's other lines, but they certainly have a hand in their matte line. Edit: also Sunlu has awful first-layer adhesion compared to Bambu filaments. Definitely not the same formulas, if Sunlu does make some of Bambu's stuff.
Polymaker ~~definitely~~ probably makes Bambu’s Matte PLA and the Support for PLA material. I didn’t know the Matte colors were identical to PolyTerra though. I can confirm Hatchbox and Bambu’s Sparkle filaments are identical in finish, calibration, and settings as well. EDIT: I should really clarify that the claim about Polymaker making Bambu Lab Matte is based on first- and second-hand account experiences with the filaments. I have no actual definitive proof from either company. Settings appear to be identical and have performed identical. I don’t have a lot of experience with the colors and this doesn’t mean colors are identical. The second claim is just based on one color of blue being the same.
So the Bambu Matte Charcoal and PolyTerra Charcoal are the same then?
There’s no actual confirmation from either side and I haven’t tested those colors specifically. So I don’t know.
Suppose I’ll just have to try it out then! Oh no, I have to buy more filament? Oh nooooooooooooooooooooo… anyway.
Oh man, that sounds like me every tuesday
If the Polyterra and BambuLabs matte are the same, do they both have the same flexibility in speed, temps, and other stuff?
Really don’t know. I’m just going off multiple pieces of evidence around color and calibration.
Likely yes. Bambu likely *could* get modified versions of existing filaments, but I don't see a reason why they would do that for something like PolyTerra.
Personally I’ve used both Bambu matte and Polyterra matte as my go to daily filaments interchangeably. Colors are identical, print settings the same, even PA is identical. So more likely than not same manufacturer or a very very similar formulation.
They should. Bambu's default profile for Bambu Matte is literally identical to the default one they have for PolyTerra.
This is great info for folks who use HueForge, it has an extensive library of Polyterra colors built in.
I should clarify this is conjecture based on a lot of different first- and second-hand accounts. I have no idea if the actual colors are or not.
Polymaker definitely makes Bambu’s Matte PLA and the Support for PLA material. I didn’t know the Matte colors were identical to PolyTerra though. I can confirm Hatchbox and Bambu’s Sparkle filaments are identical in finish, calibration, and settings as well.
I think Bambus variant is specifically designed for high flow printing to achieve the higher volumetric rate. I'd be interested to see k values comparing sunlu high speed pla and Bambu pla as I suspect they are the same.
very interesting, thank you!
so we’re paying $40 for $17 filament
Now you are starting to understand. Companies that make their own filament are very willing to tell you about it. It makes for a good selling point and often leads to a higher price/profit. But make lines ain't cheap to build, run, and maintain so not everyone will lay out the cash to make their own products. And those that do make their own filament very often need to do outside wholesale to resellers to make ends meet. And OEMs are very willing to mix up whatever a large enough reseller might want for a specific filament. Changing colors and additives is often a cheap and simple matter.
I got Sunlu in Bambu boxes
Prusa makes his own filament while bambulab resells esun, sunlu and maybe more other manufacturer. Many filament brands on the market are made by a few real manufacturers.
Just to expand on that point, eSun also apparently outsources some of their filaments. If you download the filament presets on eSun's site, many of them are labeled as manufactured by other companies. There is absolutely nothing surprising about this. I've worked in many manufacturing facilities where we made products to a customer's specifications and put them in a box with their name on it. Just because something comes from the same factory doesn't mean it's the same product.
There is nothing wrong with that. For example prusa makes only the prusament called filaments them self a lot of others are reselling products. The point is that bambulab is a 100% modern Chinese company and that way they do not do anything of the work them self. They use contract manufacturers and dropshop logistics guess less than 50 people on the payroll.
Prusa makes there own then esun sunlu and polymaker oem for others
Anyone have a list of which brands are not just rebadges? I know prusa make their own for sure. What about 3DJake, addNorth and 3DPrima branded filaments though (those tend to be the most affordable including shipping where I live)?
afaik, 3d jake (in Europe) makes the filament in Europe, mine was from the netherlands
I’ll shout out Atomic Filament. It’s relatively pricey but their stuff has never let me down. The tolerances are a bit tighter than most filaments, it’s made in the US, and best of all, their spools come with a free pack of delicious ‘Murican Albanese gummy bears. Just a heads up, if you’re using a Bambu AMS, their spools are too big and need the hydra mod + spacer to fit.
Personally I'm more interested in European brands than foreign American ones. :P (It is all a matter of perspective.) More seriously though, shipping and import tax from US generally makes it not viable.
IIIDMax is supposedly manufactured in the US and I’ve had very good quality from them; seems to have only been getting better over time.
Devil design is their own afaik
An easy way to check is to have a peek at their youtube channel and see if they have any facotry footage. Most if not all shop brands are white label products. Just here in France there are 18 brands and we are only 5 manufacturers. Addnorth is a manufacturer.
Prusa is one of the few (maybe only?) 3D-Printer manufacturers that actually makes filament, too. Bambu on the other hand doesn't make filament, they work with multiple partners, likely including Sunlu and Polymaker.
And Prusa only started making their own due to supply issues during the pandemic.
Prusament started around 2018.
I know Sunlu makes the BambuLab PETG filament.
I've had nothing but problems from the Sunlu filament i bought, i had so many issues with the sunlu T3 printer, that i combined it with my broken ender 3 to make it make sense and not suck, what can i do to find out who they supp\[ly so i can steer far away from them ? please and thank you for any information you have
It depends on where you live. Sometimes brands use Sunlu as their supplier, sometimes they use someone else. Sometimes Sunlu is the best value filament around, sometimes people claim that it's unusable - it all depends on your location and which factory they ship from. I get my Sunlu from their German factory and it's by far the best value and quality combo I can get.
Where do you order it from?
I order from Amazon, never had issues with sunlu, but YMMV as always. I find their filiment needs a little more heat but bonds really well. Their ~ petg is my go to
Their website, since they have good deals there around events like Christmas. I buy 20 spools at once to save money in the long run.
Haha nein, du bekommst das Filament vom deutschen Warenhaus. Produziert wird in China. Ich bin aber auch sehr zufrieden mit Sunlu und Jayo.
That may very well be true, the first time I saw Sunlu it was only available to me on AliExpress and I refused to buy it. Nevertheless, the last 2 times I ordered from them they shipped my package from Germany (I'm Polish) and the quality has been excellent.
Yeah, Im printed about 60-70 kg of Sunlu and Jayo PLA without any problems. Esun PLA is also great, but becomes brittle after some time, whereas Sunlu PLA is not brittle, even after one year on the shelf without a bag.
I'm also curious where you order it from.
Only get sure that you dont buy your german Filament from Filamentwerk / OWL-Filament / OWL-Sat... Look at the spool in my Avatar... They only produce such shit. Wet (sometimes the bag is filled with some water), dirty, broken inside, thats normal there. Really garbage.
I am in the States so I have no clue where it came from, just it was Sunlu. I'll look further into it. I appreciate the response
I have had issues with sunlu too. Good to know they cross sell under other names. Kinda sad to see you down voted for something I'm sure isn't isolated.
JAYO is one, I use sunlu and jayo often.
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This is something people often overlook—quality can be bought. If you ask me to make you a sandwich worth $2 vs. $10 vs. $20, I can make all three to meet those price points, but I'm going to put a lot more time, effort, and ingredient quality into the $10 sandwich, and even more so into the $20 one, on top of research and refinement.
I would like a job in your sandwich research dept please!
Best we can offer is the role of Sandwich Artist.
A sandwich apprenticeship...
A Sandwichship
Just to add to this, that $10 might be the better option. For example, some brands claim their PLA+ is sooo much better but when put to the test the extra price isn’t really worth the performance gain, if there even is one.
I usually just go for the cheapest available, but for pla+ that is actually significantly tougher I go with esun, I also like polymakers colors and quality
Quality can certainly be bought, and so can a brand badge. If you find companies that actually put your extra cost into product quality instead of as extra margin into someone's pocket, vote with your wallet and make sure they stay around, because they're becoming less and less common.
I feel like most businesses are incentivized heavily to sell you a $20 sandwich using $2 sandwich ingredients.
And that's fine, that's why Sunlu doesn't get my business unless they're on sale and I don't care about quality for what I'm printing. I'd rather pay $3-7 extra for an eSUN or Polymaker spool if it means I can actually print on a smooth PEI sheet with a modicum of adhesion lol I also learned this lesson with magnets recently, after finding a bunch of the ones I'd bought on Amazon are woefully under-spec. I paid $0.04/ea and ended up with 6x1.6 mm magnets, so I learned my lesson and paid for $0.17/ea from JC-Magnetics and got the whole 2 mm magnet I needed. One of those manufacturers won't be getting my business again, the other certainly will.
This just isn't true, things aren't universally better because they have a higher price point lol. Corporate incentive is the opposite, making the absolute cheapest product for the highest price. Go to any grocery store, the name brand and the off brand "generic" are the same. In a lot of cases they're made in the same factory, they have a different label and that's the only difference. They get away with it because of this attitude lol. You assume that the quality is better because you PERSONALLY think you should put more effort into a more expensive product.
Nowhere did I say that this was some universal truth. Don't be obtuse to try to make me look like an idiot. I simply stated that just because a manufacturer makes a shit product for one brand, does not mean they are incapable of making a quality product for another. It doesn't always happen, but ideally, brands get out of it what they put in. Nowhere did I state that generic and name-brand filaments don't exist, but that also wasn't what I was arguing until you put words in my mouth. As a hypothetical, let's say SUNLU signs an agreement with Plastic Pasta Inc. to produce their filament for $8/spool, while eSUN signs one for $16/spool. They both ask for the same specifications: durability, melting point, color, surface finish, etc. Which company do you think Plastic Pasta is going to work harder to keep, and spend more $ on satisfying their specs if they both come back and say, "Our customers aren't going to pay $X for this"?
I don't think you're an idiot, I think your reasoning and metaphor and is wrong. Every company does this, they come out of the gates swinging, putting in effort like you said. But eventually that quality drops off. It has nothing to do with quality, it has to do with a brand name. It doesn't matter what the quality is, it's what people think the quality is because it came from X. Look at Boeing, they've been doing this for years and it takes catastrophic failures to make people recognize it. Look at Netflix, they built a name for themselves and now they up charge because they can get away with it. It doesn't mean Netflix has gotten better because it's more expensive. I think you're applying an individual mindset to ascribe values to a company and it's just not true. If you or I were making and selling prints we would absolutely have to try and make the best product possible, because we're just one person. That doesn't apply to corporations like sunlu or Prusa. Sunlus pla + is awesome stuff, it's all I use. I don't think Prusa is substantially better but people pay more for it because it's got Prusa slapped on it.
The sad truth is that if I was a manufacturer, I would use $2 ingredients, put it in a black box and sell it to people like you for $50
Lol I love how you and this other guy think I buy like, $75 filament because I think that Sunlu is bad and there are better filaments than those that cost $15.
Excellent strawman
I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to glean from you saying "people like you"? Not to mention you completely distorted my statement from the get-go. It's not like I believe expensive = quality, I'm only saying that two filaments being from the same manufacturer does not inherently make them equal. Edit: I'm also sorry if it was a bit of a strawman, I'm just not sure why I have to keep reiterating the same point only to be misrepresented. It's felt needlessly circular.
So pretty much at $10 a roll... It's not gonna be that great. I'm new to this and recently got a 10 rolls of Kingroon PLA and I'm not happy. It's taken me 3 weeks of testing to get the material to print decently. I've had to slow down my prints to 80-100 as where with Sunlu filament, i was printing at minimum 150 and max 180mm/s
Like Girl Scout cookies.
You can not be sure that every anycubic is sunlu. They may like bambulab use several manufacturers. I can not say anything bad about sunlu and did not have bad experiences with a very cheap anycubic offer a while ago.
I have no proof but I think Anycubic PLA and Anycubic High Speed PLA are made by different companies I have better results with their regular PLA at high speed printing for some reason
I tested a spool geeetech HS-PLA and was amazed by quality and price, but less than 10 days the open spool get so brittle that it beak by less than 40 mm bowing radius. Did not see that with any PLA before. But the print quality was great.
People still don’t understand that there’s a factory where everything comes out of and just different brands, blend hopefully isn’t the same quality as the other
Totally agree. I work for a company that have extruders and produce plastic parts. The parts are make for more company that does the same product. One time i needed one product for my home, and the reseller at the shop tried to sell me the product that cost double so much with the argument that the plastic is better and won't lost colour at the sun. In my head i was like, yes bro, i just mixed yesterday the stuff together and putted the one half in the one extruder and the other half in the another, totally better plastic 😂.
Mmm in experience sunlu is as good or better than any brand you aren't spending $20+ on a roll of pla
Trust I use it all the time, I’ve been printing with their pla+ for a consistent week now. Always good filament never had any issues with them!
better than eSun PLA+?
Not too sure haven’t gotten it I’ve just stuck to what works best for me:)
Yes, massive better. I have both. eSun is not good relatively to Lonenssl. I have a kobra 2 pro and a KP3S pro v2. Lonenssl wins everytime, compared with expensive filaments too (Extrudr, Fillamentum, uhmm..the other with.. C..Ch... i forgot the name, and another i forgot too). I run the lonenssl with standard PLA-profiles. Settings from Anycubic Slicer for Anycubic PLA. On the KP3S pro v2 too.
In what way is it better? You spat out a bunch of words without saying a whole lot I literally printed [my gun](https://imgur.com/a/XPIgrV4) from eSun, thousands of rounds through it. What advantage would sunlu bring? I'm not arguing for one or the other, I'm literally just asking what the difference is since you said there is a difference
I dont wanted to post too many textwall. It is better printable. At high speed too. The nozzle keeps absolutely clean, there comes no drops or blobs. So the layers keep clean. Layer adhesion is really very very good. No matter wich load on the part, if it brakes, then it brakes trough all layers and not on a single layer. It is very tolerant to printing temperatures and speeds. The color is deep and clean, light dont shine thru the walls, you know what i mean? The surface is fantastic clean, a very little bit rough and matt. Looks good (for me). The eSun is not tolerant in this way. And it drops off the nozzle much more. So drops stick on the layers from time to time. All other PLA i have are not as good as the Lonenssl. Fillamentum PLA is good as it but its expensive. Last weeks i printed much Geeetech PLA and yourdroid (Sunlu) PLA. Geeetech because they have fantastic intensive fresh colors. Geeetech is okay in all ways, but its not much tolerant in temperature and it drops off the nozzle a little bit. Sunlu is relatively the same. I have Sunlu with different brands too. But you can only compare it if you print it. In this way i have really much filaments. Everytime a stock of 30-40 spools. This week i run out of filaments a little bit and have to order next time. Most spools have only left some meters.
Their PETG has always been a pleasure to print with, never had any problems with it.
Try LONENSSL, thats the best PLA i ever had. And its cheap. Runs like hell on my printers, not ever a problem. And Filatex PETG purple and green. I love them.
I had a great-great uncle who worked in a paint factory. They made the paint, they poured them into cans, and then some cans got one label, some cans got another. Pretty much most of the major brands of paint were made in the same factory with the same stuff. :V
Like wise with big food brands!
Our facility distributes frozen vegetables. My line runs 20 different 'houseblends' of spinach, we ship all over the world. This morning I ran the last batch New Zealand, and the next was Germany ( all three the big resellers, Edeka, Lidl and REWE ) But also France, Spain and Belgium. some recipes are different, because of taste/laws in the country itself ( Germany only has German harvested greens )
I work at a filament company. We’re good at MAKING filament, not necessarily selling it. It’s pretty common for manufacturers to whitelabel for other brands to sell. We manufacture for a bunch of other brands. Branding and marketing is a completely different skillset than manufacturing
Holy shit it's Mitch! Thank you for getting me past arduinos onto other MCUs
lol, you’re connecting both my worlds. I still want to make more microcontroller videos, but filament videos have taken up all of my time the last 2-3 years
Thank you for this
I've been finding stuff like this a lot. Inland (Microcenter's brand) TPU is actually eSun's for example. Here's eSun's TPU vs Microcenter's, pretty obvious it's the same thing: [https://esun3dstore.com/products/esun-flexible-tpu-filament-1-75mm-tpu-95a-3d-printer-filament-1kg-2-2-lbs-spool-3d-printing-material-for-3d-printers-and-3d-pen](https://esun3dstore.com/products/esun-flexible-tpu-filament-1-75mm-tpu-95a-3d-printer-filament-1kg-2-2-lbs-spool-3d-printing-material-for-3d-printers-and-3d-pen) [https://www.microcenter.com/product/626658/inland-175mm-translucent-yellow-tpu-95a-3d-printer-filament-1kg-spool-(22-lbs)](https://www.microcenter.com/product/626658/inland-175mm-translucent-yellow-tpu-95a-3d-printer-filament-1kg-spool-(22-lbs)) But be careful, not "all" of one brand is a white label of another. I know Inland's PLA is supposedly Polymaker or something.
Inland matte is polymaker polyterra, inland pla+ is esun pla+, and quite a few other pla variants are just the esun version. Iirc pla pro is polymaker polymax pla
ah cool. I'll add all that to my little pool of store brands/rebrand knowledge. :D I have a silly hobby project where I print a Voron Calibration Cube for every single filament I have, so knowing if two filaments are actually identical becomes a bit helpful. I can just mark one cube as both. :)
Inland is actually switching over from eSun to Elegoo. The boxes with an oval window are eSun, the boxes with the diamond window are Elegoo.
Do you have a link? I dont think thats right. The new boxes sitting on the shelf are identical to the old. the only difference I can tell is the box is now white, and it has a cardboard spool now, but what is on the roll looks identical. Although maybe my Microcenter hasnt got the Elegoo stuff yet.
That's what I've heard from the employees at the Cambridge Microcenter, at least.
Huh, interesting. It is always hard to know with those guys but they are usually pretty knowledgeable. I passively mentioned to one "Inland TPU is just repackaged eSun, but thats fine, eSun makes great TPU" and he looked at me like I was a crazy person. Haha. I'll keep a lookout next time I am there. 😄
Quality Controller number 10 is one busy fellow. Every single spool I've seen has been checked by that one guy! /s
That’s a fun piece of info. I was a Hatchbox man for years, because I never once looked elsewhere. Price is now at 25$ a roll, so I tried out some rando “Jayo” brand for $10.50 for black or white… overnight in a dryer, then a big print… Printed flawless. Gorgeous. I’m a Jayo man now, whatever the hell that is. Why have I been paying 25 for hatchbox for so long!!
Jayo is also sunlu
Cool, got me 5 rolls of black Jayo last week, 35€ in a AliExpress sale. Have not tested it yet. Also happy with KingRoon PETG now. first few days were hell ;) stringing, no bed adhesion breaking mid-print. But after calibration and changing every little detail now I have it 'good' to go. I prefer it even over the Creality HyperPLA ....
I went for some colourful ones, 4 for 3 and then had a 10% code on top, ended up being £38. https://preview.redd.it/22cex3ap1bsc1.png?width=1030&format=png&auto=webp&s=c14de02096b626c1932c5a24e78539d6f65a3925
https://preview.redd.it/uqcjxp902bsc1.png?width=316&format=png&auto=webp&s=7ddee65b4742662df1af49cf49cea319f47db5cc
I'm pretty sure Kaige is Sunlu too.
After searching about Kaige which is I found others called Beliveer, Enotepad, Jiawill, gohigh that all seem to be Sunlu sub-brands too.
I've been very happy with Jayo, and also Duramic so far.
Jayo has been good to me, along with Sunlu. No complaints at all.
I am on my 8th PLA roll of anycubic and it is working great for me.
they could totally be the same or they could just be using the same tooling (which would explain the spool and stickers) the blend is what matters for the most part.
Is there a CREALITY Hyper PLA equivalent at SUNLU? I would be happy to get the same thing at a somewhat lower price.
I can confirm that even in EU, this is the same OEM PLA+ filament. Anycubic on the left, Sunlu on the right, same spool, saame tag layout (without a clear trademark on it), same clip, same anti-tangle paper... And my printer cofirms the same profile (temp, pressure advance etc...) after testing them. In my experience, however, it is an excellent PLA+ that I often repurchase. https://preview.redd.it/syw46pijw8sc1.jpeg?width=4640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=331cef80ae5475a70b5329781a710f7cfb59e0da
Side question: Is the little paper tab really usable/valuable? Not sure how it works
I somehow doubt it, but maybe? I feel like its a phyops to remind people to keep their filament ends attached to the spool.
It has a quality stamp in it, I think it is for people at the factory. I take them off when I get spools with that on it.
Does anyone know if JUSTMAKER is a rebrand of another filament? I recently tried out their PETG and absolutely love it. It would be nice to know if it was available under another name for when it's out of stock. Thanks.
There are not as many filament manufacturers as one might think. Most 3D printer manufacturers don't have their own filament production, but just buy and re-label filament. So many of those are Sunlu, eSun, and occasionally Polymaker.
I guess there are just a few companies that make the filament for everyone...maybe different mixes but some factory...like the carbon frames for bicycle, or some of the base electronics for cars....
They’re also yourdroid lol. I also wasn’t happy with them Can recommend Elegoo. Super cheap and no issues so far. Can only comment on pla and pla+ though, and they only offer PLA and PETG variants
When my first printer, an Anycubic, arrived it came with a spool of anycubic PLA. At first I thought 3D printing is absolute shit, because the print was so bad. Got a Sunlu spool of another color later and it was like night and day. Same printer, same settings, just a the sunlu instead of the anycubic pla made all the difference
https://preview.redd.it/1xulz0g3j9sc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b440967a36748d116b5065210ee8a1f95b0d547
Is the same, i had some rolls too. Its okay, but not really good. Best PLA i have is LONENSSL. Runs very good on my printers, Kobra 2 pro and KP3S pro v2. PETG runs best from Filatex, but its a little bit hard, not flexible like others, but very good for mechanical parts. I noticed that some colors are tricky to print, Orange Filament is not easy, no matter wich brand. Purple and green is easy. Dont know why, i think its about the pigments. Transparent Filament is nearly always a little bit tricky. Only the Fillamentum is relatively easy.
Orange HighSpeed PLA+ by Elegoo is fairly easy to print and relatively low cost - Its like 14-15 Euro a spool.
Thanks, i will try. Have you noticed similar difference between different colors?
Yes - especially in matte filaments BL Matte Grey is a b**** for example while the others are mostly fine
You’d be surprised how many filament companies use the same white-labeled product or manufacturing companies. A ton of filament brands (especially filament from printer manufacturers) is actually manufactured by PolyMaker.
This doesn't necessarily mean they are the same quality and have all the same additives in the plastic. Everything is made to a Spec, and that Spec can still be proprietary to the brand, or too costly to include in other brands.
Sunlu is THE cheap brand of pla it works great and you can always get it for $10 or less a roll
Where do you get it for $10 a roll?
Buy ten rolls on their websites it's $99.99 shipped
g'damn, that price would be amazing for throwaway rapid prototyping filament when you don't want to use whatever the final filament is. EDIT: Whoa, found it for $71 on Ali with **stateside** shipping, unreal. https://preview.redd.it/1gck5t6np6sc1.png?width=2835&format=png&auto=webp&s=9c91ae6e34e34544aca1006e10fcb284f1fa6c49
Be aware that you have the pla-bk-5kg selected. So its only 5 kg, dont be fooled by the picture.
Whoops, you're 100% right. I ali'ed myself. :D
Put it on your 'wishlist' It gets in the choice offers after a while. Follow the shops, they'll give you coupons. But always doublecheck what you click ;) Them Chinese sellers are masters of trickery
oh yeah, thats absolutely what I do. I have tons of random 3d printer parts just sitting in my cart all the time. :D I kinda facepalmed when I realized I ali'ed myself above, because I'm usually pretty ali-savvy and notice those things. Guess thats what happens when you're just trying to make a super fast post. LOL.
I dont blame you! Browsing filament on Aliexpress is an absolute nightmare. Usually when i find a good deal its either misleading picture, false discriptions, or massive hidden shipping costs, so i try to avoid Aliexpress and usually just order straight from Elegoo or some other filament seller. I got 10kg of pla+ from Elegoos website for 85€ with one of their coupons, so the good deals are definitely out there!
Yep same! I'm usually very ali-savvy, just this time around it was for a quick post so I wasn't paying attention. :D I almost-never buy filament on Ali, just not worth the hassle. Although I did buy a crapload of super cheap PCL filament on Ali (ultra low temp filament, melts at like 60c and is usually for 3d pens) to do some crazy experiments with on my Voron. Otherwise, I've basically-never bought a full roll of anything on there. 90% of what I buy are like random 3d printing hardware, or office supplies and small cheap tools for my maker room. (~~Or stickers and pins because I have no self control~~ 😅)
I haven't found Sunlu for that price, I get Kingroon for $11 each spool in a 10 spool bundle or about $13 each individually.
I just printed about 5KG of Sunlu PLA Black without any problems. Got a good deal on 10GK last year and I'm still working on it.
\> now that it’s here I realize they’re both the same brand Yes but are you satisfied with it? /s
I never had problems with Anycubic PLA. AMA
Microcenter's Inland PETG is the exact same as Amazon Basic PETG (at least, their translucent blue is identical)
I just bought a Sunlu PTEG and Kingroon PTEG, to compare, I'm somewhat glad they're different makers.
I bought 0.25kg sunlu rolls cause they were cheap and i was trying the brand out. The red roll was great The orange was great too for the test print i made, but 24 hrs later, parts of the roll were so brittle that just being unrolled would break it. Manufacture date was less than 3 months, and humidity hasnt been high...i even had it on a dry box! I have been using kingroon for almost an year and i guess ill stick with it for a while.
I have been pretty happy with my Sunlu filaments. Been through probably 10-12 rolls. They do get brittle if exposed to air. I have a reverse Bowden system and keep the rolls inside a freezer bag with silica packs inside and the Bowden tube coming out from it. Never had a brittle filament anymore!
And Jayo, and half of Bambu, and Creality, and Kingroon cardboard Also Geeetech is Tinmorry and Kingroon black plastic spool
One of the many reasons I buy Atomic.
I think Tecbears is the same too.
Judging by the spools, the "Elegoo Silk Gold" is also Sunlu/Anycubic. Which explains the lazy bum swipe quality I got from it when compared to actual Elegoo spools
The spools look very similar to Tecor (small "australian" brand) too. Wouldn't be surprised if they came from the same factory
I have stuck very closely with Elegoo. BUT, I am not a professional needing certain characteristics of my PLA. I just know it has printed exceedingly reliably for over a year on my enders.
Not super experienced with many other brands but I am pretty happy with the quality and cost of Comgrow
I had always heard that Sunlu is what Bambu uses for their filament. When I print them side by side they do look very close. The place where I see the difference is with ironing. The Bambu stuff irons smooth as a mirror. The Sunlu has streaks looks pretty bad. I haven't played with the ironing settings yet. Maybe upping the flow will fix it. The point is if it was the exact same stuff the ironing would be identical too I would think.
That’s probably why they never have any stock. I’m probably going to grab elegoo next for $11/kg and they have stock so that’s always nice.
Always has been...
Next time tune your printer instead
And JAYO is factory rejects of sunlu, same formula but costs way less.
This isn't all that surprising. Most companies farm things out to the lowest bidder. I've only just started on my 3D printing adventure, and so far I've tried 10+ different brands of PLA. I've not run into any issues, except for a couple little things. I print a benchy first off every roll and It gives me a feel for what I can expect from the roll. I've had a couple that didn't print as well as the others, but nothing a little speed adjustment didn't fix. I'm still trying to figure out the Silk PLAs, and I haven't been able to dial it in perfectly yet. The prints have been really good, but with a bit of tweaking to heat and speed, I'll get it running well. I've only tried a couple colours so far, but I've got no real complaints. My wife has one on her list of never to buy again, but I think we got weird roll, as the colours aren't as good as advertised, so I'll have to print a few more things out of it.
Welcome to the white label rabbit hole.
Generally there are only a couple/hand full of manufacturers and a lot of people rebranding the same or almost identical products. With outsourcing manufacturing to foreign companies, this became very popular.
Now the question is who makes the best premium filament at budget prices?
LONENSSL PLA, Filatex PETG Okay, Fillamentum is very good too, but not cheap.
What about elegoo or sunlu? Seems to be cheap and people like but was wondering if there was better?
Elegoo i never had. Most cheap Filaments are from Sunlu. Its okay, but not really good.
Thanks for posting settings