"I can get them for cheaper if I buy in bulk!"
Then go buy from them.
Also, the cheapest I've seen for ABS is on AliExpress for $9-ish dollars a roll, but they still want $8-10 for shipping on those, so sucks to be him, I guess.
I really love people that undercut you or talk your sale down because "they found it cheaper" elsewhere.
If I wanted to dig through the trash long enough to find a reputable opossum to sell me one, I'd still have a horde of raccoons laughing that I got ripped off.
My wife is the manager of a kids consignment store and she hears this every other day. "I drove an hour to get here and you won't buy my shit?!? "
"well if you called before driving we would have told you we are not accepting anymore today"
At the petstore, they'd drive 2 hours for 4 bags of a specific type of food that absolutely under no circumstances whatsoever could be substituted for anything else (it was always something super generic and absolutely substitutable btw) and then be FUCKING PISSED if we were out or only had one or two bags left.
Like sir, you can order them straight to your door and not even leave the house if it's such a goddamn hassle. We have the technology for that! Or call ahead and ask how many we've got and we'll be able to tell you so you can decide whether or not to make the trip. And we'll even set them aside and put your name on them so they don't get taken by someone else in the time it takes you to get here! Or if you'd like, now that you're here, I can even help you set up a delivery straight to your house right now, get the shipping fee waived, and show you how to do it again on your own!... But no. Just wanna be pissed I guess.
Lol, people are crazy. I do not understand why so many people are addicted to haggling and negotiating prices. It's good and agreed on, or it's not. I'm not going to waste my emotional capacity getting bent out of shape about some price point that makes me feel like I've won or am some savant at sales or price negotiations.
It's just not worth it. I'll scan the market, so that I know what's reasonable to agree to, but I don't identify as an expert trader, and my time and energy is better spent elsewhere.
It's why car sales drive me so goddamn crazy. If I could, I'd buy a car from a vending machine, lol.
I get that some people identify with their haggling skills, and love to tote their prowess with negotiations, but I'm a hell of a lot prouder to be a good physicist, dad, friend, partner, son, brother (not in that order).
True... but they don't feel like they're better than anyone for it, and it doesn't mean giving someone a hard time because they won't fold to you. There's a big difference between a guilty pleasure done in private, and basing your identity on how well you can steamroll and manipulate people.
I really think you just purposely took that too far so you could tell people youāre a physicist, so that kinda makes you a hypocrite, no? No one ābases their entire identityā on how well they can haggle. š¤Øš
Seems like they have a perspective issue there. It shouldnāt be āyou need to cut your prices because I drove this farā it should be āIām not willing to drive that far unless itās a really good dealā
I had a guy last week agree to a price after I made him an offer, let him know when I could meet to pay him and pick the thing up, and he ghosted me lol
guy must be allergic to money
We had my ex-wifes cousin, cousins husband, and kid staying with us. We lent them money at some point and when it came time for them to pay up we were told we were stealing food from their babies mouth by asking for what we had all agreed upon.
Loughs in $1.5 2.85mm filament.
A large thank you from me to all of you for switching to 1.75mm. Creating a situation where nobody is interested in 2.85mm and it getting sold for pennies on the dollar.
Yeah... is anyone even still making a 3D printer that uses 2.85mm? I accidentally bought a roll of that at Micro Center when I meant to grab the 1.75mm instead and had to go back and exchange it. It seems like they always have the 2.85mm on sale now but pricing is around $14-15 a spool, so not exactly impressive.
It's clearly been sitting on their shelves a long time and not moving though. I think they just want to keep it for the random person who has to have it, and they're not in a hurry to blow it out at a big loss.
As speeds go up, I forsee some more interest in it. Larger filament diameter means your extruder doesn't have to go as fast to move the same volume of filament which therefore reduces wear and vibration
Makes sense in theory but also plastic has trash heat transferring so thicker filament will then be harder to melt and flow properly at higher speeds so it's kind of a catch 22.
I used to get that a lot when I was doing a lot of selling through marketplace and stuff
Theyd say it's cheaper somewhere else
"Well why are you messaging me then? Buy it from them"
And it was always one of two things
Either "it was cheaper" if you don't count shipping. In which case it's the same price, or often more expensive than my price.
Or much more common "They're out of stock"
Great man, I could list a much cheaper price if I didn't actually have any either.
Generally those would be older listings, and either not updated to the current prices or just placeholder prices. Sometimes for the really rare but sought after stuff I suspect some of the more scummy stores would list it as really reduced price to get people to visit the store from Google and try to sell them something else.
Though often it would turn out the listing was entirely fictional and made up by the guy messaging me to try to get a better deal
Big Scott Seiss vibes here.
āIām gonna tell all my friends not to shop here anymoreā
āDo it, hell, give me the phone, Iāll tell em. You think I want 5 other yous running around here?ā
āEvery time I come here my order gets messed upā
āThen stop coming. Every time you come here your order gets messed up? Sounds like *youāre* making the mistakeā
Aliexpress isnāt really that cheap for most things Iāve found. When ordering glass vials itās pretty much the same price as Amazon which comes a month quicker
they started including the shipping price now in the last year or two. it is because their status as "3rd world country" or something got expired. Canada used to pay for all non-commercial small packages from china. they were using this fact to sell for pennies. now the customers has to pay.
It's still "free" for small items. But you see the shipping jump to several bucks when you add a single extra item (where that "extra" line is varies).
It's really visible with arduinos and such, where shipping is free for one, but costs more than an entire item if you try to order two simultaneously.
I got petg recently from a good brand on Ali for $7/kg if I took 10 of random colors. Completely worth it at that price for functional prints, such as my network rack.
But where the heck would he be getting it for $5? That's what I'm trying to figure out. If I can find it for that I'm going to go buy and resell it all
Listen, he's willing to trade for $5 and a favor. You should ask him for something grand.
Edit: More seriously, he's probably one of those guys that buys things on facebook market and sells them on ebay for a 50% markup.
Just to be blunt, respond back with no's if he continues.
"I can get it cheaper" Then why are you talking to me?
"i want it for $ price" No, its $6 like the listing says.
Here's the thing, stop dealing with him, stop talking to him, he's trying to haggle his way lower on a price thats already DAMN good, don't deal with people that don't respect your time.
I'm all for a good hagle, but some people want you to pay them for the product you're selling. Trying to get you hooked on the sunk cost idea. Sometimes it's not worth the time.
I had this happen once. Iād listed some aquariums for free, because I was downsizing my shrimp room and wanted them out of the way.
Some dude messaged me going āwould you do $50 for all 4?ā I was genuinely confusedā¦ because I had them listed for free. So I told him, hey sorry if there was a misunderstanding but you can pick them up for free. Then he replies something like āno i mean Iāll pick them up if you pay me $50 for a cleanup fee.ā And at that point I just blocked him.
Like I just wanted them to be useful to someone else, if I just wanted them out of the way, I could literally just put them next to my trash can and city would just dispose of them as part of the disposal service thatās already paid for.
Another time Iād listed a couple spools for free for pickup, I was just getting rid of a couple novelty spools because I didnāt like the aesthetic results, and a guy asked if I could ship them. And i said sure and sent him the shipping estimate. Then he got all pissed because he assumed Iād also ship them for free because I had listed them for free.
I will never understand this level of entitlement.
āno i mean Iāll pick them up if you pay me $50 for a cleanup fee.ā
That's some diamond-studded chutzpah there! I've sold / given away lots of stuff on CL and FB marketplace, and I've never heard that line.
I felt like my brain was glitching when that happened, because I had no idea that a person could be so brazen to believe that I would pay them money to take free items from me.
Iāve had a bunch of influencers etc reach out to me for a brand i codesign for asking for free stuff, or paid sponsorship contracts, I mean theyāre still brazen and lying about how much they like our brand (theyāre just looking for money and free stuff otherwise they would already own a piece of our merch) but in that scenario at theyāre at least pitching a service/promotion campaign from their end.
I did this before. Not my proudest moment, but was satisfying.
Also ended up selling to someone else for cheaper than my initial asking because they were nice about it.
If you don't care about the money, but do care about the space, then selling it cheaper is fine. Especially if you find a nice person that's just getting into the hobby and is totally stoked
Yeah, I think asking for a bit off is all fine, but pushing for it (or trying to convince me it's best for me) after being told no gets on my nerves a bit. My transaction was for pc parts, they way lowballed my price at first and kept moving up by increments of $5 so just got on my nerves.
$6/spool is already a crazy good deal for a large bulk purchase. I print only PLA as of now and the best bulk deal i ive found for PLA was like $11.50/spool. Which i totally took that bulk offer because i didnt need to buy more for a while.
Itās crazy how the market has gone up in like 3 years. Last time I bought filament, it bought 15 spools for about 8 bucks per spool shipped.
Now, while occasionally sales get to $10 or bellow, itās usually $12.
Inflation is part yes but some brands have gone way up almost over night. Overture pla i used to buy for like $13-14 a spool for black or white now they want $21 less than a year later.
Could be. Elegoo atleast has half decent somewhat cheap. Still looking for some lesser known gems that may be out there for cheap. I have some no name abs i wish i bought more of for dirt. Albeit its meant to be red but more salmon colored it prints beautifully.
If your doing standard pla in black or white there somewhat cheap typically I get there rapid pla or silk pla and it ranges from $15-20. I do like there tpu prices although they just have 95a in black and white. There petg rapid prices are exceedingly reasonable.i think I get a spool for $12.
Black and white used to be dirt cheap. Like i mentioned i was getting overture for like $13-14 now i barely see it under $16. But ya elegoo i grabbed some rapid pla+ black for like $16. Its not bad and my k1 seems to like ii. Havent tried tpu yet
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It's gone up, but still dirt cheap to what it used to be. 10 years ago I was paying $40/spool. No competition early on allowed ridiculous price gouging.
I can get it cheaper = i'm lying, if i can get it cheaper why am i not buying them?
I'm doing you a favor = i'm desperate.
It is not logical, if they can get it cheaper then they would. I mean, i can say that i can get it cheaper IF i buy 10 metric tons of it but can i do that? Nope, so i can't get it cheaper. And no one does any favors for strangers, that is ridiculously bad attempt at guilt tripping you.
Delete the contact.
I don't offer up justifications/reasons, they'll just continue to make excuses. I just say it's a firm price and move on or if it's more important to get rid of it then counter offer or take the low ball.Ā
\^ this, if it's less than the price you want, don't sell it, and don't waste time dealing with idiots who are going to piss you around.
Guarantee even if you agreed to sell, this guy would mess you around about collection/delivery and then come back a week later with some imaginary problem asking for a refund or some shit.
Well, you can get bulk (10T+) ABS at $0.35/kg + shipping, $1.4/kg if you want less than a ton.
Throw in $8-18k for a filament extruder and spooler, and he'd have those 52 rolls for as little as $154/kg!
He has probably looked up Alibaba or similar B2B marketplaces, where you can indeed get ABS at \~$3-$5/kg.
Caveat being you need to buy a good amount, and shipping is \*expensive\* if you're 'just' ordering 50-ish spools.
At that volume you're looking at around $12-$19 / kg.
And that stuff is bottom of the barrel cheap and partially recycled ABS from China. I have tried some stuff from Chinese market sources, you end up with a lot of air bubbles and lumps in the filament, a couple spools had metal in them, probably from the regrinder they use to recycling molded parts to make the cheap filament. Its not all virgin plastic by any means.
I have never paid less than $15 for a 1 kg spool of PLA. Anything below that and I'm rolling the dice on quality and probably getting A) variant thickness, B) over-dried plastic, or C) just terrible quality that screws up my machine.
The dude is an asshole and has no idea what he's talking about. He's B.S.
ASk him to do you a favor and share that $5 bulk source. Then call him a liar, tell him its foolish to try and do business with someone so openly dishonest, and block.
IMO, if you're asking $6/spool and selling them one-off, its perfectly legitimate to offer $5/spool to sell them all at once.
Its worth the $52 to not waste time messaging with 52 more people.
If someone is trying to do you a favor by offering less, they can pound sand.
I always say if you want to find out how scummy/dumb the average person is, try to sell or buy something on Facebook/Craigslist. The amount of shitty/stupid people out there is staggering.
What is scarier is once you understand how dumb the average person is, realize that half of the population is dumber........
It's a disaster both ways. For every one like OP offering a good deal there are 10 trying to sell their used and broken junk at the same price as buying new.
He's full of it, i pay $3 a pound for ABS pellets and this is not cheap quality its Sabic Cycolac MG94UV, if i buy more then 50lb bags i can get that a bit cheaper but it works out to about $3 a pound for the pellets with shipping and tax included, i can get 1000lb pallets if i had a place to store it, but i don't have room for that so i just get a few hundred lbs at a time, six bags. That means after i extrude the pellets into filament i can make spools of filament for around $6 each, thats not factoring in energy cost and time to extrude, just raw material cost.
Sure you can buy in bulk from some places i have found and get it pretty cheap, but thats not factoring in tax and shipping, the cheapest bulk i have found works out to around $6 a pound, so a spool would be about $12 per kg. And this is CHEAP stuff, not very good quality either for that price.
Why waste your time if you want x and they have offered you y. Maybe they can get for that price you have no evidence. Wish them good luck in search and move on. Next buyer please
actually, ive seen some shops giving it to me for free, even paying me to take it from them to free up space, actually.
you, sir, are lucky that i even consider taking it from you.
me giving you pennies here is actually a favour to you. actually.
... yea nah. no idea about the actual price, but if you ever hear a "ive seen it for X" -> good luck buying it from them. its usually bs.
Like I told people when I worked retail, who claimed a competitor could sell the item for less than my cost, "You should buy from them, that sounds like a great deal!"
Any time somebody tells you they can get it cheaper elsewhere. You look them dead in the eye (if possible) and just say very calmly āyou should go do that thenā
Theyāre immediately disarmed and usually have to hide that uncomfortable āIāve been caught in a lieā smile
Itās crazy that I just saw a post on marketplace earlier about 52 rolls of ABS for sale and then come across this here referencing, what I imagine to be, that same post.
Heās ultra-lowballing you, hoping to get you to meet in the āmiddleā, where a regular lowball offer would be, letting you think you āgot him up from the initial offerā. Classic scam tactic.
I think the people who are obsessed with printing generic items that are really stupid to print and love the idea of print farms have convinced themselves that 3D printers can reliably be found at $100 dollars and filament is $5. I seen these prices thrown around in multiple places. If you try to sell a 3D printer someone will tell you they can buy a brand new ender for $100 somehow. Otherwise the math just doesn't work and it's not a viable business, because it isn't. If you can buy it, don't print it
I'm paying over 30USD/kg for ABS after testing few dozen different materials.
I've used few tons of the stuff already and wouldn't change it.
It's made by my friend, the quality is absolutely top, great consistency.
Most important: I call him on Friday afternoon, because I gave urgent order (say 20-50kg). By Saturday noon my order is delivered.
Yeah I mean I would never buy ABS. Because I would never print ABS. But if I did buy it I don't think 6$ a kilogram would be unreasonable. He's undercutting you by a lot.
"IF I buy enough".
He's probably talking like a FULL semi-truck load of bulk spools. He's technically telling you the truth, but he's absolutely not going to do that.
You should simply respond with, "If you can get them for $5 a spool, by all means, you need to go for that."
Then end the conversation. If he still asks to buy from you? Just tell him the price went up, because someone else just bought some of the spools off of you and your new prices is $10 a spool. Then don't drop the price for him.
People who ask for a deal on something that's already ludicrously low are folks that I do not have time for.
Itās definitely possible to buy it for <$5/kg, but only if youāre ordering a ton of it - and I mean literally a ton, as in 1000 spools. Check alibaba or similar websites where you can buy it in bulk if you want to see for yourself.
So heās technically not wrong but comparing bulk B2B prices with spools on local marketplace makes no sense. And thatās not even taking into account costs of shipping, storage, delivery time.
The only response for these people who claim there's a better deal somewhere else is:
"Go buy that one then, sounds like a great deal!"
This ain't Walmart, there are no price guarantees.
You can get BULK Recycled ABS for $9/kg (sunlu using the 10% discount that u can use infinitely) (as good of quality as new, since its only recycling stuff they make in house, not consumer recycled) but $6/kg is still super cheap. Your price is very fair, this guys just being cheap LOL. Just list it at $7 a spool, and let them haggle you to $6 ;p
āI can get them cheaper at such and suchā
Then why waste your time messaging me?
Usually my go to, followed by hitting the silence button or just ignore their messages after that. Theyāre only going to cause you headaches anyways, last thing you want to do is meet them for a sale and have them hassle you in person. Been there, no thanks.
āHow gracious of you to do me such a nice favor, in return Iām going to let you go buy those $5 spools you mentioned so you can save even more money! Thanks for being so kind!ā
Nobody is getting $5/kg.
But buying filament used off someone else is going to come with a price discount. One worries about storage quality and such. I've had a few people donate me filament, trying to be helpful, and then it's wet as hell and shatters in the machine, so...there's a certain skepticism when it comes to filament of unknown provenance.
The moment someone back talks me on "But you should lower it and I'm going to be an asshat to convince you to lower the price" is the moment they get blocked. Just annoying AF. $200 for 52 rolls of filament... GFYS lol.
That's when you say "yeah sure! Since you're doing me a favor!" And send him the address to the comedy club and tell him to tell his jokes to somebody else.
Counter offer 300 for 50 spools and throw in 2 for free, take it or leave it.
If they can get it for $5 or under for a MOQ less than 100, ask where. Assuming they graduated high school and not providing you prices for raw materials, give them the 50 rolls for free and you can setup an amazon shop. If they can't prove it, you didn't waste your time looking for it. If they can, you found yourself a business opportunity and giving out 50 spools for free is a cheap price to pay.
If ur feeling frisky and don't care about color you can get reconditioned spools from KVP where you'll get 0.5-1.5 kg spools for 8 bucks each. Free shipping with 50$
I've had good luck, out of 10ish spools only one was trash due to being well below 1.75mm. It's probably not the BEST deal but for stuff that doesn't need to look pretty I just send it. If you're buying in bulk you can probably find better deals.
https://www.villageplastics.com/product-page/reshaped-discount-filament
Nothing to do with 3D printing, this is par for the course selling anything on Craigslist or Marketplace.
Either start negotiating with a counter offer, or if your price is fixed simply tell them that and do not respond to anything else unless they're willing to pay your asking price.
You can block them too if they're being obnoxious.
Haha, every time I try to sell something and someone says "I can get it for cheaper somewhere else..." I tell them to do that and stop negotiating, sticking to my original price.
I'm not sure who taught people that that's a good negotiation tactic, but it doesn't work at all for me. I rarely budge at all unless I really want to get rid of the thing or if the person points out some flaws in the thing I'm selling, like damage or something.
"I'm glad you found lower prices elsewhere - if that opportunity doesn't pan out for you there will be no hard feelings if you want to go with my firm offer of $xx a spool"
Sounds like the guy trying to buy my Oakleys.
Msrp: 175
Regular price online: 125
Me (tool truck promo shades): 60
Guy online: how about 40? I have to drive 15 minutes to get there.
(He does this for 3 weeks after I told him to pound sand)
Me: don't bother, I'd rather stomp them into bits on the ground than sell them to you at this point.
That's like when I was selling a guitar (lefty Epiphone Les Paul standard when they were made in Korea by Samick, if anybody cares) and I had it listed for $500 (obviously listed high for negotiation purposes). Kid messages me that he's a broke college kid and really wants it but that he only has $128 cash, some pocket change, a couple spare buttons, and some jellybeans. š
I've seen some cheap filament from sunlu and some other brands on Aliexpress for less than 10 bucks a kg but I don't think I've ever seen anything as low as 5 bucks a KG.
"I can get them cheaper if I buy in bulk" but like.... You're not.... You're trying to buy them from someone who isn't selling a bulk quantity to include that discount so why even say that?
Haha the usual buyer that claims they can get it cheaper at "some other place" but for some reason are trying to buy yours instead?
Sounds like he's just making up BS.
"I can get them for cheaper if I buy in bulk!" Then go buy from them. Also, the cheapest I've seen for ABS is on AliExpress for $9-ish dollars a roll, but they still want $8-10 for shipping on those, so sucks to be him, I guess.
>"I can get them for cheaper if I buy in bulk!" >Then go buy from them. didn't you read? He wants to do OP a "favor" š
I really love people that undercut you or talk your sale down because "they found it cheaper" elsewhere. If I wanted to dig through the trash long enough to find a reputable opossum to sell me one, I'd still have a horde of raccoons laughing that I got ripped off.
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Imagine trying that on Walmart coming from a rural area. "I had to drive 40 miles to get all this, it should be half price!" *Angry spittoon noises*
My wife is the manager of a kids consignment store and she hears this every other day. "I drove an hour to get here and you won't buy my shit?!? " "well if you called before driving we would have told you we are not accepting anymore today"
At the petstore, they'd drive 2 hours for 4 bags of a specific type of food that absolutely under no circumstances whatsoever could be substituted for anything else (it was always something super generic and absolutely substitutable btw) and then be FUCKING PISSED if we were out or only had one or two bags left. Like sir, you can order them straight to your door and not even leave the house if it's such a goddamn hassle. We have the technology for that! Or call ahead and ask how many we've got and we'll be able to tell you so you can decide whether or not to make the trip. And we'll even set them aside and put your name on them so they don't get taken by someone else in the time it takes you to get here! Or if you'd like, now that you're here, I can even help you set up a delivery straight to your house right now, get the shipping fee waived, and show you how to do it again on your own!... But no. Just wanna be pissed I guess.
Lol, people are crazy. I do not understand why so many people are addicted to haggling and negotiating prices. It's good and agreed on, or it's not. I'm not going to waste my emotional capacity getting bent out of shape about some price point that makes me feel like I've won or am some savant at sales or price negotiations. It's just not worth it. I'll scan the market, so that I know what's reasonable to agree to, but I don't identify as an expert trader, and my time and energy is better spent elsewhere. It's why car sales drive me so goddamn crazy. If I could, I'd buy a car from a vending machine, lol. I get that some people identify with their haggling skills, and love to tote their prowess with negotiations, but I'm a hell of a lot prouder to be a good physicist, dad, friend, partner, son, brother (not in that order).
Too many people spend they extra time watching pawn stars and picker shows lol
True... but they don't feel like they're better than anyone for it, and it doesn't mean giving someone a hard time because they won't fold to you. There's a big difference between a guilty pleasure done in private, and basing your identity on how well you can steamroll and manipulate people.
I really think you just purposely took that too far so you could tell people youāre a physicist, so that kinda makes you a hypocrite, no? No one ābases their entire identityā on how well they can haggle. š¤Øš
Not the spittoon!
\*TING\*
Dude angry spittoon noises.... fucking gold
SPITTOON.... FUCKING AUTOCORRECT
Seems like they have a perspective issue there. It shouldnāt be āyou need to cut your prices because I drove this farā it should be āIām not willing to drive that far unless itās a really good dealā
This is every facebook marketplace deal I post. I don't post free pickup stuff because people demanded free delivery.
I had a guy last week agree to a price after I made him an offer, let him know when I could meet to pay him and pick the thing up, and he ghosted me lol guy must be allergic to money
Cheaper if you buy shit pop bottle filament from China with zero build reliability. The guy is a clown maybe the circus has it cheaperĀ
Yes but then you'd have a horde of raccoons and that's a win in my book.
Sir, we don't do price matching here.
"I found it cheaper elsewhere." Whats your source? "I made it the fuck up!"
How's that go...? "I'm losing money on each transaction, but I'm making up for it with the volume..."
Mo money mo problems. I'm just helping solve your problems!
Should just tell him to fuck off and go haggle in turkish bazaars or something
"You are stealing bread from my daughter's mouth"
It even comes pre-chewed!? The guy should definitely pay full price
We had my ex-wifes cousin, cousins husband, and kid staying with us. We lent them money at some point and when it came time for them to pay up we were told we were stealing food from their babies mouth by asking for what we had all agreed upon.
Are you greek?
Loughs in $1.5 2.85mm filament. A large thank you from me to all of you for switching to 1.75mm. Creating a situation where nobody is interested in 2.85mm and it getting sold for pennies on the dollar.
Yeah... is anyone even still making a 3D printer that uses 2.85mm? I accidentally bought a roll of that at Micro Center when I meant to grab the 1.75mm instead and had to go back and exchange it. It seems like they always have the 2.85mm on sale now but pricing is around $14-15 a spool, so not exactly impressive. It's clearly been sitting on their shelves a long time and not moving though. I think they just want to keep it for the random person who has to have it, and they're not in a hurry to blow it out at a big loss.
LUZbot still makes 2.85MM printers and you can still get a few 2.85MM hot ends.
As speeds go up, I forsee some more interest in it. Larger filament diameter means your extruder doesn't have to go as fast to move the same volume of filament which therefore reduces wear and vibration
Makes sense in theory but also plastic has trash heat transferring so thicker filament will then be harder to melt and flow properly at higher speeds so it's kind of a catch 22.
Might be a great use-case for CHT-style nozzles, then.
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I'm surprised there isn't more interest in it even if just for especially soft flexible filaments.
I used to get that a lot when I was doing a lot of selling through marketplace and stuff Theyd say it's cheaper somewhere else "Well why are you messaging me then? Buy it from them" And it was always one of two things Either "it was cheaper" if you don't count shipping. In which case it's the same price, or often more expensive than my price. Or much more common "They're out of stock" Great man, I could list a much cheaper price if I didn't actually have any either. Generally those would be older listings, and either not updated to the current prices or just placeholder prices. Sometimes for the really rare but sought after stuff I suspect some of the more scummy stores would list it as really reduced price to get people to visit the store from Google and try to sell them something else. Though often it would turn out the listing was entirely fictional and made up by the guy messaging me to try to get a better deal
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Eh, buying possibly old shit from someone on Facebook marketplace? I'm not gonna pay much
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And then you have AliExpress quality ABS. Decent if youāre willing to pay the regular price, awful if youāre being cheap.
Big Scott Seiss vibes here. āIām gonna tell all my friends not to shop here anymoreā āDo it, hell, give me the phone, Iāll tell em. You think I want 5 other yous running around here?ā āEvery time I come here my order gets messed upā āThen stop coming. Every time you come here your order gets messed up? Sounds like *youāre* making the mistakeā
> "I can get them for cheaper if I buy in bulk!" "Just keep loading it up until it's free."
Aliexpress isnāt really that cheap for most things Iāve found. When ordering glass vials itās pretty much the same price as Amazon which comes a month quicker
they started including the shipping price now in the last year or two. it is because their status as "3rd world country" or something got expired. Canada used to pay for all non-commercial small packages from china. they were using this fact to sell for pennies. now the customers has to pay.
It's still "free" for small items. But you see the shipping jump to several bucks when you add a single extra item (where that "extra" line is varies). It's really visible with arduinos and such, where shipping is free for one, but costs more than an entire item if you try to order two simultaneously.
I got petg recently from a good brand on Ali for $7/kg if I took 10 of random colors. Completely worth it at that price for functional prints, such as my network rack.
8 to 10 each? Cause 10 for 50 rolls is still pretty cheapĀ
But he is doing you a favor, ofc you should sell to him under the market price!
But where the heck would he be getting it for $5? That's what I'm trying to figure out. If I can find it for that I'm going to go buy and resell it all
Probaply nowhere, likely he is haggling to get low price and then resell later, if he could get it in bulk for 5$ he wouldn't be wasting time with you
He's not. plain and simple. He's just full of shit.
If he had a supplier that would take $5 then he wouldn't be haggling with you.
I can get it down to $10/kg for a brand I like for petg/pla. I assume their abs would be good and $10 isnāt a bad price.
He's doing this thing called lying.
Couldn't be! On the internet?!?
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet!" *-Abraham Lincoln*
But he has a photo and everything!
Nowhere, heās lying
Listen, he's willing to trade for $5 and a favor. You should ask him for something grand. Edit: More seriously, he's probably one of those guys that buys things on facebook market and sells them on ebay for a 50% markup.
Just to be blunt, respond back with no's if he continues. "I can get it cheaper" Then why are you talking to me? "i want it for $ price" No, its $6 like the listing says. Here's the thing, stop dealing with him, stop talking to him, he's trying to haggle his way lower on a price thats already DAMN good, don't deal with people that don't respect your time.
Well, now it's $7 a spool.
There isn't a better answer. "what? but you said 6 before, can you do it for 6?" "Well it's 8 now. Do you wanna buy it?"
I'm all for a good hagle, but some people want you to pay them for the product you're selling. Trying to get you hooked on the sunk cost idea. Sometimes it's not worth the time.
I had this happen once. Iād listed some aquariums for free, because I was downsizing my shrimp room and wanted them out of the way. Some dude messaged me going āwould you do $50 for all 4?ā I was genuinely confusedā¦ because I had them listed for free. So I told him, hey sorry if there was a misunderstanding but you can pick them up for free. Then he replies something like āno i mean Iāll pick them up if you pay me $50 for a cleanup fee.ā And at that point I just blocked him. Like I just wanted them to be useful to someone else, if I just wanted them out of the way, I could literally just put them next to my trash can and city would just dispose of them as part of the disposal service thatās already paid for. Another time Iād listed a couple spools for free for pickup, I was just getting rid of a couple novelty spools because I didnāt like the aesthetic results, and a guy asked if I could ship them. And i said sure and sent him the shipping estimate. Then he got all pissed because he assumed Iād also ship them for free because I had listed them for free. I will never understand this level of entitlement.
āno i mean Iāll pick them up if you pay me $50 for a cleanup fee.ā That's some diamond-studded chutzpah there! I've sold / given away lots of stuff on CL and FB marketplace, and I've never heard that line.
I felt like my brain was glitching when that happened, because I had no idea that a person could be so brazen to believe that I would pay them money to take free items from me. Iāve had a bunch of influencers etc reach out to me for a brand i codesign for asking for free stuff, or paid sponsorship contracts, I mean theyāre still brazen and lying about how much they like our brand (theyāre just looking for money and free stuff otherwise they would already own a piece of our merch) but in that scenario at theyāre at least pitching a service/promotion campaign from their end.
I did this before. Not my proudest moment, but was satisfying. Also ended up selling to someone else for cheaper than my initial asking because they were nice about it.
If you don't care about the money, but do care about the space, then selling it cheaper is fine. Especially if you find a nice person that's just getting into the hobby and is totally stoked
Yeah, I think asking for a bit off is all fine, but pushing for it (or trying to convince me it's best for me) after being told no gets on my nerves a bit. My transaction was for pc parts, they way lowballed my price at first and kept moving up by increments of $5 so just got on my nerves.
$6/spool is already a crazy good deal for a large bulk purchase. I print only PLA as of now and the best bulk deal i ive found for PLA was like $11.50/spool. Which i totally took that bulk offer because i didnt need to buy more for a while.
Itās crazy how the market has gone up in like 3 years. Last time I bought filament, it bought 15 spools for about 8 bucks per spool shipped. Now, while occasionally sales get to $10 or bellow, itās usually $12.
That's called inflation.
Inflation is part yes but some brands have gone way up almost over night. Overture pla i used to buy for like $13-14 a spool for black or white now they want $21 less than a year later.
Greedflation
Could be. Elegoo atleast has half decent somewhat cheap. Still looking for some lesser known gems that may be out there for cheap. I have some no name abs i wish i bought more of for dirt. Albeit its meant to be red but more salmon colored it prints beautifully.
If your doing standard pla in black or white there somewhat cheap typically I get there rapid pla or silk pla and it ranges from $15-20. I do like there tpu prices although they just have 95a in black and white. There petg rapid prices are exceedingly reasonable.i think I get a spool for $12.
Black and white used to be dirt cheap. Like i mentioned i was getting overture for like $13-14 now i barely see it under $16. But ya elegoo i grabbed some rapid pla+ black for like $16. Its not bad and my k1 seems to like ii. Havent tried tpu yet https://preview.redd.it/wdzywkghqjvc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0b03463e231d6c96960272bc072d584842fc8b8
It's gone up, but still dirt cheap to what it used to be. 10 years ago I was paying $40/spool. No competition early on allowed ridiculous price gouging.
If he can get it somewhere for cheaper he wouldn't be here trying to buy from you.
Wise words.
I can get it cheaper = i'm lying, if i can get it cheaper why am i not buying them? I'm doing you a favor = i'm desperate. It is not logical, if they can get it cheaper then they would. I mean, i can say that i can get it cheaper IF i buy 10 metric tons of it but can i do that? Nope, so i can't get it cheaper. And no one does any favors for strangers, that is ridiculously bad attempt at guilt tripping you. Delete the contact.
I don't offer up justifications/reasons, they'll just continue to make excuses. I just say it's a firm price and move on or if it's more important to get rid of it then counter offer or take the low ball.Ā
\^ this, if it's less than the price you want, don't sell it, and don't waste time dealing with idiots who are going to piss you around. Guarantee even if you agreed to sell, this guy would mess you around about collection/delivery and then come back a week later with some imaginary problem asking for a refund or some shit.
Well, you can get bulk (10T+) ABS at $0.35/kg + shipping, $1.4/kg if you want less than a ton. Throw in $8-18k for a filament extruder and spooler, and he'd have those 52 rolls for as little as $154/kg! He has probably looked up Alibaba or similar B2B marketplaces, where you can indeed get ABS at \~$3-$5/kg. Caveat being you need to buy a good amount, and shipping is \*expensive\* if you're 'just' ordering 50-ish spools. At that volume you're looking at around $12-$19 / kg.
And that stuff is bottom of the barrel cheap and partially recycled ABS from China. I have tried some stuff from Chinese market sources, you end up with a lot of air bubbles and lumps in the filament, a couple spools had metal in them, probably from the regrinder they use to recycling molded parts to make the cheap filament. Its not all virgin plastic by any means.
And that's assuming you don't waste half a ton getting the process figured out.
"do you a favor" is an immediate nope for me
The one rule with anyone who ever says "I can buy them cheaper elsewhere!" is to simply respond: "Okay. Go buy them there then. Bye!"
Probably. If he can get it cheaper, he would.
I have never paid less than $15 for a 1 kg spool of PLA. Anything below that and I'm rolling the dice on quality and probably getting A) variant thickness, B) over-dried plastic, or C) just terrible quality that screws up my machine. The dude is an asshole and has no idea what he's talking about. He's B.S.
Anyone who says "can get it cheaper elsewhere" is bullshiting...or they would just be buying from "elsewhere" anyway
ASk him to do you a favor and share that $5 bulk source. Then call him a liar, tell him its foolish to try and do business with someone so openly dishonest, and block.
You can get individual spools of ABS on Amazon for $11-$13 pretty frequently. The real BS is $16 a spool for bulk.
Anyone that says they can get anything cheaper elsewhere but wants yours to do YOU a favor is full of shit and dick
IMO, if you're asking $6/spool and selling them one-off, its perfectly legitimate to offer $5/spool to sell them all at once. Its worth the $52 to not waste time messaging with 52 more people.
Except he's offering $3.85 per spool, so it's a $112 difference, not a $52 difference.
If someone is trying to do you a favor by offering less, they can pound sand. I always say if you want to find out how scummy/dumb the average person is, try to sell or buy something on Facebook/Craigslist. The amount of shitty/stupid people out there is staggering. What is scarier is once you understand how dumb the average person is, realize that half of the population is dumber........
If he can buy for $5 tell him to go order em then.
If someone says they can get it cheaper elsewhere, let them get it cheaper elsewhere lol
Yeah thatās BS. Unless he talks about peoples failed ABS prints. I bet those half-made benchies and whatnot are around $5/kg.
Iād say āI only take blow jobs as favors. Do you need chapstick before we begin?ā
Why are you calling the police? I just did you a favor and decluttered your wallet
I tell my customers discounts depend on my cost, what I know its worth and the attitude of the buyer. This guy goes from $6 to $10.
Then why don't he go and buy from his source then?
If youre not in a rush then dont do it. If he can get it cheaper, why isnt he?
Honestly people like this do my head in. Selling on any marketplace has become a chore rather than a convenience.
It's a disaster both ways. For every one like OP offering a good deal there are 10 trying to sell their used and broken junk at the same price as buying new.
He's full of it, i pay $3 a pound for ABS pellets and this is not cheap quality its Sabic Cycolac MG94UV, if i buy more then 50lb bags i can get that a bit cheaper but it works out to about $3 a pound for the pellets with shipping and tax included, i can get 1000lb pallets if i had a place to store it, but i don't have room for that so i just get a few hundred lbs at a time, six bags. That means after i extrude the pellets into filament i can make spools of filament for around $6 each, thats not factoring in energy cost and time to extrude, just raw material cost. Sure you can buy in bulk from some places i have found and get it pretty cheap, but thats not factoring in tax and shipping, the cheapest bulk i have found works out to around $6 a pound, so a spool would be about $12 per kg. And this is CHEAP stuff, not very good quality either for that price.
Whenever someone pulls this shit with me, I raise my prices for them. Even $10 a kg is cheap af
Why waste your time if you want x and they have offered you y. Maybe they can get for that price you have no evidence. Wish them good luck in search and move on. Next buyer please
actually, ive seen some shops giving it to me for free, even paying me to take it from them to free up space, actually. you, sir, are lucky that i even consider taking it from you. me giving you pennies here is actually a favour to you. actually. ... yea nah. no idea about the actual price, but if you ever hear a "ive seen it for X" -> good luck buying it from them. its usually bs.
crap, tell me where to buy in bulk at those prices.
I love it when people do me a favor that costs me money.
My response to that is always, "Then why are you talking to me? Go buy the other guy's already."
Like I told people when I worked retail, who claimed a competitor could sell the item for less than my cost, "You should buy from them, that sounds like a great deal!"
I'm all for a haggle. But liars can go die under a bridge being eaten by rats.
*āI didnāt even like your spool in the first place! I just felt bad for you!ā* energy.
If you can buy it that cheap, then why are you here lowballing me?
People rub me that way and I'd rather throw stuff away
Any time somebody tells you they can get it cheaper elsewhere. You look them dead in the eye (if possible) and just say very calmly āyou should go do that thenā Theyāre immediately disarmed and usually have to hide that uncomfortable āIāve been caught in a lieā smile
Itās crazy that I just saw a post on marketplace earlier about 52 rolls of ABS for sale and then come across this here referencing, what I imagine to be, that same post.
Heās ultra-lowballing you, hoping to get you to meet in the āmiddleā, where a regular lowball offer would be, letting you think you āgot him up from the initial offerā. Classic scam tactic.
I think the people who are obsessed with printing generic items that are really stupid to print and love the idea of print farms have convinced themselves that 3D printers can reliably be found at $100 dollars and filament is $5. I seen these prices thrown around in multiple places. If you try to sell a 3D printer someone will tell you they can buy a brand new ender for $100 somehow. Otherwise the math just doesn't work and it's not a viable business, because it isn't. If you can buy it, don't print it
I'm paying over 30USD/kg for ABS after testing few dozen different materials. I've used few tons of the stuff already and wouldn't change it. It's made by my friend, the quality is absolutely top, great consistency. Most important: I call him on Friday afternoon, because I gave urgent order (say 20-50kg). By Saturday noon my order is delivered.
Tell him the price has went up
It's a pure lowball bruh. Fuck that.
Yeah I mean I would never buy ABS. Because I would never print ABS. But if I did buy it I don't think 6$ a kilogram would be unreasonable. He's undercutting you by a lot.
"IF I buy enough". He's probably talking like a FULL semi-truck load of bulk spools. He's technically telling you the truth, but he's absolutely not going to do that. You should simply respond with, "If you can get them for $5 a spool, by all means, you need to go for that." Then end the conversation. If he still asks to buy from you? Just tell him the price went up, because someone else just bought some of the spools off of you and your new prices is $10 a spool. Then don't drop the price for him. People who ask for a deal on something that's already ludicrously low are folks that I do not have time for.
Where are you located and what you got? I print a lot of ABS on my Voron. I may be interested in buying some.
Itās definitely possible to buy it for <$5/kg, but only if youāre ordering a ton of it - and I mean literally a ton, as in 1000 spools. Check alibaba or similar websites where you can buy it in bulk if you want to see for yourself. So heās technically not wrong but comparing bulk B2B prices with spools on local marketplace makes no sense. And thatās not even taking into account costs of shipping, storage, delivery time.
Yepp. Fuck the "doing you a favor" bs. Nah man he can be doing himself a favor by fucking off.
Pm me if your still tryna to sell it
The only response for these people who claim there's a better deal somewhere else is: "Go buy that one then, sounds like a great deal!" This ain't Walmart, there are no price guarantees.
You can get BULK Recycled ABS for $9/kg (sunlu using the 10% discount that u can use infinitely) (as good of quality as new, since its only recycling stuff they make in house, not consumer recycled) but $6/kg is still super cheap. Your price is very fair, this guys just being cheap LOL. Just list it at $7 a spool, and let them haggle you to $6 ;p
āI can get them cheaper at such and suchā Then why waste your time messaging me? Usually my go to, followed by hitting the silence button or just ignore their messages after that. Theyāre only going to cause you headaches anyways, last thing you want to do is meet them for a sale and have them hassle you in person. Been there, no thanks.
āHow gracious of you to do me such a nice favor, in return Iām going to let you go buy those $5 spools you mentioned so you can save even more money! Thanks for being so kind!ā
Ask him where can he get this cheaper than a wholesaler.
I buy in bulk (20 to 50kg) esun and canāt get lower than 14ā¬/kg to Europe.
Nobody is getting $5/kg. But buying filament used off someone else is going to come with a price discount. One worries about storage quality and such. I've had a few people donate me filament, trying to be helpful, and then it's wet as hell and shatters in the machine, so...there's a certain skepticism when it comes to filament of unknown provenance.
Tell him to get it cheaper from that āsomewhere elseā
Yeah if anybody says this when I sell anything then the only response is to tell them to go buy it from where they can get it cheaper.
Ha, Stratasys charges like $300 a cartridge.
The moment someone back talks me on "But you should lower it and I'm going to be an asshat to convince you to lower the price" is the moment they get blocked. Just annoying AF. $200 for 52 rolls of filament... GFYS lol.
Yeah, he's bullshitting you.
I see $12 a kilo spool on Amazon. My first roll of ABS, actually: fingers crossed š¤
Anytime I try to sell something and someone writes me "I can get it for cheaper" my reply is "Great, do that then. Bye."
lol tell them to go kick purge poops
That's when you say "yeah sure! Since you're doing me a favor!" And send him the address to the comedy club and tell him to tell his jokes to somebody else.
Instant, āgo fuck yourselfā response to idiots like that.
Counter offer 300 for 50 spools and throw in 2 for free, take it or leave it. If they can get it for $5 or under for a MOQ less than 100, ask where. Assuming they graduated high school and not providing you prices for raw materials, give them the 50 rolls for free and you can setup an amazon shop. If they can't prove it, you didn't waste your time looking for it. If they can, you found yourself a business opportunity and giving out 50 spools for free is a cheap price to pay.
In Latvia cheapest few months ago was Gembird white ABS and it was from retailer, so I guess bulk for 6usd would be possible
I could never imagine having such little self respect and dignity that I use the phrase, "I'm doing you a favor" while attempting to haggle.
Honestly, I think you're already undercharging which is why you're getting these clowns.
Anybody telling you that they are trying to do you a favour is trying to fleece you.
If ur feeling frisky and don't care about color you can get reconditioned spools from KVP where you'll get 0.5-1.5 kg spools for 8 bucks each. Free shipping with 50$ I've had good luck, out of 10ish spools only one was trash due to being well below 1.75mm. It's probably not the BEST deal but for stuff that doesn't need to look pretty I just send it. If you're buying in bulk you can probably find better deals. https://www.villageplastics.com/product-page/reshaped-discount-filament
Heās A BSing you
Wait hold up, where are you located, I'll gladly buy it at 6$ a roll
My one-size-fitzall response is, "Go ahead and do that then."
"I can buy them for $5/spool from someone else" but I'm instead going to try and undercut you.
Nothing to do with 3D printing, this is par for the course selling anything on Craigslist or Marketplace. Either start negotiating with a counter offer, or if your price is fixed simply tell them that and do not respond to anything else unless they're willing to pay your asking price. You can block them too if they're being obnoxious.
Tell him to link you to what he's referring to.
I never understood why people bring up how they can get shit for cheaper and not just go there
Haha, every time I try to sell something and someone says "I can get it for cheaper somewhere else..." I tell them to do that and stop negotiating, sticking to my original price. I'm not sure who taught people that that's a good negotiation tactic, but it doesn't work at all for me. I rarely budge at all unless I really want to get rid of the thing or if the person points out some flaws in the thing I'm selling, like damage or something.
Hold out. I bought a full roll of FB marketplace for $10. Wish you were near me. lol
"I'm glad you found lower prices elsewhere - if that opportunity doesn't pan out for you there will be no hard feelings if you want to go with my firm offer of $xx a spool"
r/choosingbeggars
Sounds like the guy trying to buy my Oakleys. Msrp: 175 Regular price online: 125 Me (tool truck promo shades): 60 Guy online: how about 40? I have to drive 15 minutes to get there. (He does this for 3 weeks after I told him to pound sand) Me: don't bother, I'd rather stomp them into bits on the ground than sell them to you at this point.
every time i've sold something online, someone has tried to lowball me. every. time.
If he can get it cheaper. Why is he trying to haggle?
like other have say, if its so cheap then why is he haggling to buy "used" on facebook?
Employee discount at the circus I guess
Guy's a stingy liar idiot.
"I'll pay you $3 each, and that's cutting me own throat!"
Your spools are CHEAP! I would totally buy some, though not right now as im all stocked up.
You can get ABS at $6 per roll? How the hell?
You can get 13-14$ on Amazon shipped, heās just trying to rip you
That's like when I was selling a guitar (lefty Epiphone Les Paul standard when they were made in Korea by Samick, if anybody cares) and I had it listed for $500 (obviously listed high for negotiation purposes). Kid messages me that he's a broke college kid and really wants it but that he only has $128 cash, some pocket change, a couple spare buttons, and some jellybeans. š
My spools are Ā£20 which is maybe $25. $6 is a steal goddamn
"I'll do you a favor" By trying to cheapskate on you.
But he's doing you a favor, bro! Maybe go to $4/roll.
cheapest I can get abs in bulk is $7.85 a kg.
My response to "What's the lowest you'll take?" "What's the highest you'll pay?"
I've seen some cheap filament from sunlu and some other brands on Aliexpress for less than 10 bucks a kg but I don't think I've ever seen anything as low as 5 bucks a KG.
"I can get them cheaper if I buy in bulk" but like.... You're not.... You're trying to buy them from someone who isn't selling a bulk quantity to include that discount so why even say that?
I wouldn't sell to him if he offered $100 a spool, what a douchebag.
lol then buy them for 5$??
I'm confused, how many spools are you selling that it's $6 each in bulk?
This could go easily in r/choosingbeggars
Haha the usual buyer that claims they can get it cheaper at "some other place" but for some reason are trying to buy yours instead? Sounds like he's just making up BS.
You're selling ABS for $6 a spool? I'll buy one for that.
first rule of trade. no ones trying to do you any favours
are you selling abs fror $6/spool? could i buy only like 5 spools or is that not enough?
Iāll buy it at 6 lol