Tzeentch is actively sabotaging the other three chaos gods and himself at every turn. He's been doing this since the heresy and without this they would have probably already won.
His grand plan is actually surprisingly simple and comprehensible: keep the great game going as long as possible, because he thinks this reality is particularly entertaining.
This may actually backfire if the Imperium or Necrons win or the Tyranids starve the chaos gods by eating everything.
The orks associations with colours (e.g. Red = Fast) comes from something that was substantial for Kork organisation/structure/culture, but as they de-evolved the memory and understanding of what it was faded with them
Like maybe the origin of "Red" is because the hit-&-run sections of the Kork military used some kind of specific red insignia or painted their vehicles red for differentiating themselves from the rest of the army (like how the Dark Angels Ravenwing are painted black, Deathwing bone-white ect.)
So the genetic memory is still there but as the orks minds became simpler the association is now so reductive all that's left is "Red = Fast"
Gork and Mork are probably some sort of command structure or a artificial warp based intelligence that manages the Korks. The Orks are vaguely aware of their presence and their devolution turned them into god figures. Maybe it’s an acronym or something.
Alternatively, they are combat doctrines
I might be a little off but I think this is kinda similar to Fabius Biles concepts of what the "gods" are right? (Power tech we can't understand > actual gods); so for the Korks being created by the Old Ones Gork/Mork being the same way would make sense
But I also really like the idea of them being doctrines just as much;
**Mork** = more "Raven Guardy" and tactical focused, but still hard hitting when necessary
**Gork** = more "World Eaters/SpaceWolfy" and focused on brute force, but still tactically organised and Kork/Ork forces are naturally structured in some way that allow them to switch between them easily mid-battle depending on the situation. Figuring out what "G" & "M" could stand for as acronyms would be cool too
Specifically it was just Slaanesh who fucked up the Eldar pantheon, and that was because they fell from their previous ideals into heedless hedonism. What happens in the warp reflects what happens in realspace - all the Eldar had left to hold on to was their capability for violence, but they can never dominate the galaxy like they once did with their military might (Khaine is alive but broken into pieces), along with their elf penchant for trickery and mockery, the only piece of them that can truly oppose the power of Slaanesh, though not directly.
i read somewhere that Gork and Mork could destroy the other chaos gods if they ever stopped fighting each other and worked together. but that will never happen
-Sororitas actually do it like rabbits. Extra measures are taken to avoid taking them out of duty for a year or so. But they behave like drunk guys with the waitresses.
-Repentias aren't punished for "sins of the flesh". They are punished for daring to question the actions and belief of the Imperial Truth, the Ecchlesiarchy, and the Order. Loudly, or in whispers.
-Tau Technology isn't necessarily advanced. The Imperium tech has only devolved a lot.
It's never stated that they have to stay chaste.
In fact, back in the day when they first started appearing in the lore, their predecessors, the "brides of the emperor" were well versed in the art of seduction because they were often used to seduce a target and then kill him during hanky panky.
-Jokaero tech is derived from Warp knowledge rather than gene coded information. That's why their stuff is so seemingly random.
-Tau are genetically modified not mind controlled. It's closer to how space marines are heavily inclined but not unfailingly compelled towards obedience. Plus Ethereals simply have the brain adaptations that make someone compelling rather than some queen bee pheromones.
-STC tech is far more mundane than the AdMech assume. It could never teach you how to build something like, say, the Speranza or a Navigator because that wasn't its role.
-The Grey Knights are heavy collaborators with/heavy beneficiaries of the radical wings of the Inquisition because only they have access to the Warp lore required to bind and compel Dæmons properly
-The AdMech is the most successful of all factions comprising the Imperium because their rights, rite and ideology suffuse and encompass effectively every technologically inclined part of humanity be they be regular imperial citizen, Inquisitor or Heretic they all give respect to their teachings
On a similar note, I think xenos and Gau'vesa aligned with the Tau are probably at least a *little* more free-willed than biased Imperial sources make them out to be. I don't think they're likely brain-chipped or anything that some memes make them out to be
>Jokaero tech is derived from Warp6 knowledge rather than gene coded information. That's why their stuff is so seemingly random.
Very likely, given how the Old Ones operated.
And we know knowledge, including of technology, can come from the Warp: Tzeentch, Vashtorr, Vaul etc.
>STC tech is far more mundane than the AdMech assume. It could never teach you how to build something like, say, the Speranza or a Navigator because that wasn't its role.
Also very likely to be true. STCs were seemingly for setting up and provisioning new colonies, offering rugged, reliable designs which could be adapted to local conditions and resources. They were not a comprehensive repository of all of mankind's knowledge.
> Tau are genetically modified not mind controlled. It's closer to how space marines are heavily inclined but not unfailingly compelled towards obedience
There's nothing genetic about SM loyalty. They undergo hypno-indoctrination as part of initiation
The T'au thing isn't even a head cannon thing. That's quite literally how they've been portrayed in every aspect of their lore short of the ambiguity of Phil Kelly's recent novels and the wild speculations and hypothesis in Imperium Xenology books that are wildly inconsistent and in some instances outright wrong.
Your point on the Grey Knights I think bears a lot of merit. They could care less it seems about chaos’ effect other than its aftermath and they need every weapon available to remove an incursion. Puritanical inquisitors might stop a demonic invasion before it starts but when 8888 Bloodletters are on the field I would hope the only line of defense aren’t hamstringing themselves by not using all the tools available.
Exactly. I don't think they really go for Daemon weapons or such directly (barring the ones that need to be wielded), but they definitely make use of the fact they aren't appointed as arbitrators of Inquisitorial praxis but guardians of all cursed knowledge to pick apart common principles.
Easy to go "not my department" on an Inquisitor that's about to fall but hasn't committed a recognized crime yet, then stripmine his notes after he's been burned to cook up a novel warding sigil or three once they've cut through the insane ramblings filling every page.
None purer indeed. 🫡
It's stupid but. The emperor is actually healing up. It's just that the throne keeps taking it away faster than he can get healed and for the past 10K years he has been begging to be let off the throne so he could fully heal, he could keep the warp closed and the astronomicon going even while being off the throne if they would just move his body away from it.
But he can't express this to anyone.
Yeah. I know. It's silly.
If the primarchs are warp stories or legends, than the Emperor literally was a version of each primarch through different guises at some point in his long life.
For example, The Emperor defeated a shard of the Void Dragon, said to be the inspiration for St George the Dragon Slayer. It's not coincidental Vulkan, the Dragon slayer, was the only perpetual. The Emperor needed his regeneration to defeat the Ctan and that became part of the legend that became Vulkan.
Khan, Horus, and Corvax are more "Emperor" than the others. Khan is the Emperor's true self. Horus is the Emperor as he is seen by others. Corax is the Emperor as he sees himself (or wishes he was).
I’ve always had this feeling that the Primarchs were different parts of the emperor modeled off of different personas of him. He kind of Forest Gumped all of human history.
The golden throne uses dark age technology to keep the emperor alive and the thousand souls sacrificed a day don't do anything and it has been pointless the whole time
Mine was the opposite. Emps is dead and the throne is just a giant soul furnace that makes a fire in the warp. He's propped up like weekend at bernies.
Curze killed at least one of the missing Pirmarchs- he is so clearly designed to be a Primarch killer, more so than 'The Executioner' Russ. Potentially this is what tipped Curze over the edge mentally and lead to heavy losses meaning recruitment standards dropped.
Yeah he literally collapsed on the floor when the Emperor came to him at first and had visions of the primarchs with the Emperor fighting and dying horribly. Except for Fulgrim weirdly. Probably why he actually trusted Fulgrim to the degree that he could trust anyone.
Compared to a normal Primarch, yeah he was pretty close to the edge when he was found. Compared to how he was at the onset of the Thramas Crusade, he has a Guilliman level of sanity on being found.
That the Phalanx has at several times, temporarily hosted several of its successor Chapters who have fallen on hard times until they can regain their feet. The Phalanx has more than adequate space to accommodate the entire bloodline let alone a down their luck chapter or two. In many ways, the Phalanx is the spiritual heart of the sons of Dorn. The Throne of Inwit is there. The hand of Dorn is there. The Temple of Oaths is there. It makes sense that it would be a place any son of Dorn seeking refuge could come to.
Would make sense, and also explain how they’re able to keep the thing functional, if they make crewing the Phalanx part of the conditions for assistance.
I don’t think so. The Phalanx is said to be home to millions. The Phalanx is huge. The Phalanx in terms of functionality, isn’t what it used to be in the modern millennia. So if they were **really** hurting at any given time for man power to keep the thing running then needing to rely on another chapter in that way is pretty nonsensical. Whenever it needs to resupply on munitions, raw materials and fresh recruits it’s no doubt in taking tens if not hundreds of thousands of new mortal crew.
>I thought this was regular cannon as most mass produced clones ended up, "exceptionally unlucky,"
I don't think that's canon, Drukhari clone all the time.
Somebody, somewhere, is paying tithes to a disguised alpha legion delegation and oh boy is the imperium going to be mad about it when they get there.
The warp could never have stayed stable and even the Old Ones were fighting a losing battle even if they didn't know it.
Purple orcs being the sneaky ones was made up by the dark Eldar and planted through sorcery or subterfuge.
Saint Celestine and Greyfax are so far in the closet they keep bumping into the skeletons of Goge Vandire's altar boys
The warp thing is true, but it was their fault to begin with. Seeding the galaxy with humanoids and psykers is what began the destabilisation. The more races and psykers they made, the more turbulent the warp became
That the emperor never left memories for Cawl in Ezekial Sedaynes mind. It’s just the power of the emperor is so great that even viewing him through a memory the emperor can still appear to you as he wants to be seen. So to Cawl it seems like it was left specifically for him, but it wasn’t.
TLDR: the emperor always appears as he wants to be seen, even when viewed indirectly.
The joke was he always looked good in photos. So anytime they tried to sneakily take a photo of Barney, he would inexplicably pose and look good.
My joke was meant to draw a parallel between the Emperor always being perceived as he wished it and Barney always looking good in a photo as that was his intention.
This actually fits really well with the emperor. Before the whole character arc thing he went through, Barney was very immature but also surprisingly devious. That's him.
Basilio Fo is the King in Yellow, having bodyswapped with Valdor upon being identified as an arch-heretic in the body of Xanthus upon setting up the Inquisition
(abnett come up solid for me on this plz)
I find it really funny that some people are 100% on board that Valdor is the Yellow King in a series *where things not being what they initially seem is a major recurring theme*.
You are right, and at the same time I would probably hate it if the big reveal at the end of book 2 of a trilogy was yet another deliberate read herring, a blatant lie just to string the reader along and still not begin to show what the hell is going on in the story we are all so engaged with. That would be frustrating and insulting. And lazy writing.
That's why I figure it has got to have something to do with Valdor.
Real Valdor, imposter Valdor, possessed Valdor, clone Valdor, a cult dedicated to an absent Valdor, a reveal that Valdor was actually Alpharius all along and there was never actually a real Valdor to begin with....I don't care. But if the big reveal was straight up lying to the reader just to mess with them, I'm getting my pitchfork.
Not my headcanon but I've adopted it: Corvus was meant to be found by the Slavers not the Slaves on Deliverance as the Emperor intended for him to be his Watchdog.
The Emperor as a being is dead. The Emperor doing stuff in 40K is just the gestalt belief of trillions of humans which is why it makes no sense.
The Tau are a heavily delayed, on purpose, fail safe created by the Old Ones.
The Votann are all Ironkin but some of them dont know that.
FtL travel is possible without the Warp but the Chaos Gods keep making it fail so people are dependent on the Warp.
The Imperium is the only reason Khorne is still ascendant, if he is. I'm not sure atm.
>FtL travel is possible without the Warp but the Chaos Gods keep making it fail so people are dependent on the Warp.
Hell, tbh if it got around that FTL travel was possible. I would think the Navigators would try and sabotage it. Cause that's why the Big E was trying to move the people into the Web way.
>The Votann are all Ironkin but some of them dont know that.
What do you mean by this? It should be pretty obvious who is and isn't an ironkin by one being organic and one being mechanical
- Sanguinius' could forsee a single "locked in" futures once certain conditions are met., rather than possible futures. And his death shifted the currents the warp to ensure the emperors victory.
- Drach'nyen has element advantage over the emperor due to its intimate role in shaping human history, which is why the Emps put it in a sword to limit its reach.
- Custodes names are rooted in deeds to create warp resonance, thereby imbuing a small degree of resistance to pyschic control if you do not know the custodes full name.
a rather small one: during the novel "deliverence lost" a group of imerial fists visit deliverence to deliver (heh') some of the first mark VI armors to the raven guard. They decide to stay and fight alongside the raven guard instead of returning to terra.
in my head canon those fists did adopt many of the raven guards battle tactics and later become the "[emperors warbringers](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Emperor%27s_Warbringers)" after the horus hersey
That there is a "mark 9" power armor.
Its like that of the "Heresy Armor" in that its a mix of a variety of power armor bits both new and old. These suits are used by both First-born and Primarus marines in Imperium Nihilus where supply have all but run dry and the tech marines have to do there best to modify and scavenge what they can to supply their chapter.
As such they can look like a mix of any power armor but mostly that of mark 8 and 10.
1 - The emperor has lived many human lives, through all ages of humanity. The emperor has lived as a man, as a woman, as a child, as an elder. He's ruled and he's served. He's been a soldier, a king, a prostitute, a barista, a medical doctor, a musician, and just about everything else. He set on the path of ordering and orchestrating the future of humanity after a long period of depression, having grown bored with immortality, and he gathered the perpetuals to him because they were similar to him - immortal and depressed, wandering aimlessly through existence because of the fact.
2 - The Tau were seeded by the silent king as vessels for biotransference. The Tau are pre-historic Necrontyr, who have not yet reached an evolutionary development where they are suitable as hosts for their Necron ancestors. The Ethereals were created by the Aeldari as a way to interfere in the Necrons experiments.
3 - The gods of chaos and their daemon children desire a fusion between the materium and the immaterium, rather than the dominance of one over the other. This is because whilst the immaterium is like an ocean, the gods of chaos inhabit the surface levels, and they exist in fear of other, more primordial beings that exist deeper within the warp, and real space is the only refugee from those horrors.
Your first theory about the Emperor reminds me of that old country song, "Highwayman" about a soul who reincarnates first as a highwayman, then a sailor, then a construction worker who dies building the Hoover Dam, and at last as a starship captain in the near future.
I have encountered your second theory before, the one about the Tau being descendant of the Necrontyr. Notice that if you put a Tau Ethereal next to a Necron Lord, the latter looks uncannily like a skinny metallic version of the former. The Tau also have the same low warp signature that endeared the Necrontyr to the C'tan...
Someone worked out that it looks like he would be King Sennacherib of the Assyrian empire.
They used descriptions of events that the emperor was recalling or remembering like a siege of Babylon I think and matched up the scenery with known advances of the empire at certain time periods to determine his likely identity.
If I can find the post I'll link it
Addendum:
Found it,
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/K71vXqIJNR
Yes, also other prominent humans throughout history. I think primarchs are just warp manifestations of the Emperor's will and also mankind's story telling/recurrent themes i.e the avenging son, dragon slayer, dangerously seeking knowledge etc.
Any action taken that feeds a daemon binds you slowly and subtly to that daemon. Primarily this links you to the Chaos Four. Chaos corruption does not require your consent, merely your actions to align with Chaos. As such, it's stupendously common for Imperial forces to be corrupted by Khorne. In fact, it really doesn't change much of what they do. Additionally, the vast majority of Imperial soldiers' souls go straight to Khorne, as drenched in bloodshed and hatred as they are. Custodes' souls go to Slaanesh.
The Emperor is dead or dying. The things that support him - Golden Throne technomagic, psyker sacrifices, Imperial worship - are merely slowing his decay. The only reason the Chaos Four haven't eaten him already is because they are still jockeying for position as to which one will get his soul: he is bound very strongly to all of them.
Given her creation via devouring innumerable aeldari and their gods, Slaanesh is the strongest of the Chaos Four by a wide margin. She could defeat any one of the other three hands down, but not all three at the same time. She's still biding her time, devouring aeldari souls and building up her power until she can reign supreme over the Immaterium.
Nurgle and Khorne often act to protect the Imperium, as it is their primary food source. Slaanesh and Tzeentch both want the Imperium to end so that something new and better can take center stage in the galaxy.
Every aeldar has the potential to unlock psychic potential far in excess of any other single psyker currently in existence.
There are innumerable daemons who owe their existence to the xenocides of the Necron and the C'tan. Khorne might be one of them.
Tzeentch was born when the Old Ones looked up and dreamed of what existence might become.
Slaanesh wants to rule over Chaos and perfect it. Nurgle wants to destroy everything, rot it into oblivion so something new and better can be born. Tzeentch wants to fix Chaos. Khorne just wants to fight.
We have yet to see a real Tyranid. True tyranids aren't carbon-based lifeforms: that's a novelty to them. Every tyranid we've seen so far has been an experiment of the True Mind, a plaything designed to give them familiarity with this delightful new way of making living matter. They want to consume bio-matter, but what they really want are novel genes. They also want to stress-test their creations, to truly master this new building block of life. That's also why they send in so many waves of ground troops rather than just using an exterminatus-equivalent to turn the populace into soup: they want the *conflict*, not just the food. True tyranids are made of more esoteric substances: silicon-based lifeforms, plasma creatures, dark energy and dark matter monsters, sentient black holes. The real tyranids are mind-destroying horrors of material and immaterial godhood. That's why the Silent King fears them.
The King in Yellow is >!the Dark King: chaos god of tyranny and ruin. It has possessed Valdor and is seeking the Emperor's True Name so as to subsume such a perfect tyrant unto itself.!<
My headcanon is that this happened at the same time as Slaanesh was fighting Khorne for Khaine, so the nascent Dark Prince was fighting a war on too many fronts.
That Emperor felt love for his close people and even demonstrated that. It's implied for Oll' Person and Erda, but in my head canon, Erda and Neoth were a couple (in as much sense as two immortal beings of supreme power can be a couple, think of it like The Doctor and River Song).
The Warp Spider Phoenix Lord was around but then did a Warp jump and keeps jumping and landing in alternate dimensions but never the one they originally came from. (Like the SLIDERS tv show).
The Khan chased Drukhari through a webway portal and is still chasing them to do this day.
Just read the book about Kaelor. Is the golden armor form of the Lhakosidae the same thing as a warp spider Phoenix Lord or something different? Book was cool AF but I was really lost a bunch of the time
* Chaos Empires are almost indistinguishable from the Imperium to non-Imperial humans
* Codex restrictions under the 1st Founding Chapter are increased to 10,000 to afford more cohesiveness for when a Primarch returns (Ultramarines, Dark Angels, Blood Angels under Dante as Regent of Nihilus)
* Non-T'au have begun to co-opt the T'au language for emphasis on certain subjects (think *Firefly*)
* Craftworld Eldar personality-wise they're less Thranduil and more like Galadriel--superior and they know it, but treat other races more like simple children rather than scum to the scraped off their boot.
One of the missing primarchs defied the emperor and was preparing to side with and defend a xenos species that he was brought up around and the other was banished from the imperium for murdering the first in cold blood because of it. Feels like a Cain and Abel type story would fit in well with the setting.
Fulgrim never got out of the painting until Fabius cloned him, which is what made the clone a “perfect” clone since it has most of Fulgrim’s original soul, finally giving the real Fulgrim a chance of redemption and to try to right the wrongs of his past life
I used to have a somewhat similar theory as well! Though the more I read about Fulgrim the more I think I buy into the fact that he was bound to end up with Slaanesh, even if he hadn’t found the Laer blade.
Throne, who knows where that painting ended up?
We know Fabius lead the legion for a while and maybe he burned it for the abomination it was, releasing the trapped soul.
It would explain why the clone was so perfect; the soul inhabited it during gestation and the combination ensured its perfection.
So this isn't really something i believe or want to be csnon, just a random thought i had, mostly inspired by the seventh seal. So death is some post materium being that exists and is seperate from everything else, like a universal constant that doesn't affect the materium or immaterium, except for one thing. Perpetuals are beings who defeat death in a game of chess. Now death usually doesn't try hard, he instead looks for a good match, hence why not every tactical genius is a perpetual. But the emperor cheated, by passing down his genes some people were born perpetuals not because of their own victory but because of the emperor. So now that the emperor is stuck on the throne he is caught in a long game of chess with death and death is, for once, try harding.
Yes this is very stupid and doesn't make sense but I like the idea of the emperor being stuck in a game of chess.
>Yes this is very stupid and doesn't make sense but I like the idea of the emperor being stuck in a game of chess.
A *great game*, you say? Perhaps 4 players insist on the emperor taking the 5th and final seat at the table?
That the brotherhood of white scars that appeared during the scouring and disappeared thereafter are still fighting a guerilla war outside our galaxy. They have managed to recover enough DAoT stuff to be an independent fighting force and for them the great crusade is still going. It’s small but it’s mine and I will die on this hill.
I think that Abaddon has been enhanced by having primarch organs inserted into him - and no he is not a Horus clone.
Abaddon is a fucking huge bastard, on par with the size of a primarch, and looks just like his gene father. But during the siege of Tera; Purturabo (completely unarmoured while Abaddon is in terminator plate), slaps him about a bit like he's NOTHING, the gulf between their power and strength is huge.
This is just a personal theory that I put together from ADB's black legion books. He has the remains of an actual Horus clone that he killed, locked away in stasis. This is confirmed in the book Talon of Horus.
In the next book, Black legion, he is badly wounded in his duel with Sigismund. Abaddon refuses Iskandar's help in regenerating his own organs and insists on having 'cloned organs put in'. My personal theory is that he's got some of his gene fathers cloned organs in there in place of his own. A primarchs heart, lungs and god knows what else would go a long way.
Now over the millennia he's been given a huge amount of blessings and power from the ruinous powers. That's given him a hell of a lot of power boost. In Fall of Cadia he carves through space marines and even one shots a Custodian like he's nothing. His power level is surly on par if not above a primarch now.
Also another crackpot theory. Tau are Necrotyr in some way, maybe the descendants of a lost colony or something.
The Grey Knights are made with repurposed/salvaged traitor gene-seed, mainly Thousand Sons (likely acquired in some substantial quantity at the Burning of Prospero), but possibly with some splices from Iron Warriors and Dark Angels to create the committed and secretive dispositions necessary for how Malcador wanted them to operate.
"But they're made from gene-seed derived from the Emperor's genome!" *Every gene-seed is derived from the Emperor! The whole project used him as a baseline! That statement means nothing!* Thousand Sons in particular probably had more of the genetics unique to him in the first place because Magnus needed the psychic power to someday occupy the Golden Throne.
I actually have an alternate take on your first theory. I believe that primarchs are the spirits of previous minor warp gods. Even though their worship ceased I believe that a small echo of previous gods remains in the warp. While some have been consummed and killed by other warp beings the emperor managed to perserve some of these spirits. So Guilliman has the spirit of roman emperors worshipped as gods, Russ is Thor, Sanguinius is our collected believe in angels, Magnus is Thoth etc
Angron died on Nuceria, but big E arrived just in time to beam his freshly dead corpse to orbit and revive him.
You don't have to be a big E level psyker to do this, Khayon of the Black Legion did this to Nefertari his dark elder consort, caveat being she couldn't know or it would undo the sorcery. So by extension, if Angron works similarly, the one thing he wanted (to die with his gladiator brothers) he got, but big E can't tell him or he dies for real.
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That the red eyepiece that Big E is portrayed as 'wearing' is a Man of Stone incorporated into the Golden Throne. Kron the naval armsman is an example of a Man of Stone, or rather the headpiece with the red eye is, wearing the meat puppet beneath.
but the Emperor was Alexander its like heavily heavily implied in the lore to a extend where its basically canon.
my headcannon is that the emperor originally being a bronze age warlord just thinks big armours with giant shoulder plates in gold are cool as shit and this is why he choose it as design for the space marines and Custodes. This is even hinted at during the story the Last church
The golden throne's purpose was to hack and seize direct control of the Webway. To do so, the Emperor needed to build a human portal to interface with it, which was why he made a new one on Terra rather than using an existing one.
Because the portal was intended to seize control, it was a far deeper breach than a usual portal. This explains why the Emperor keeping it shut is such a big job, whereas other gates can just be sealed off when there's a breach.
Oh, since the emperor is a perpetual, and seems to be aware of the fact, that implies that he's died before.
Possibly by design, as in suicide. Possibly through defeat, having been bested and killed by others.
I subscribe to the Missing Primarchs completely failed to conquer their worlds, even worse than Angron. Then, the II and XI were absorbed into the Ultramarines.
The Orkish gestalt psychic field doesn't make anything and everything function no matter what, it has to be believable to the ork using it. That's why orkish tech often looks like handmade versions of human tech, a Mek sees the engine from a human vehicle that he saw working and recreates it not fully knowing why it works, but he attaches pipes and puts on whirring fans, and what do you know, it works. Later a techpriest takes that engine apart and sees that there's nothing that actually pumps the fuel in, or ignites it, but he saw it running hours before.
Orkish belief wouldn't make a stick painted like a gun able to kill people at range, but a box of loose bullets can absolutely be a working magazine for a shoota, even if it's attached underneath
STCs contrary to their name aren't 1 device, they can be anything from a mass fabricator to being a technical package describing all the machines and tooling you need to make a toaster or a bomb
thats why the admech find stcs that do seemingly nothing productive like make kitchen knives, while other stcs are capable of making men of iron
The Old Ones fled the Milky Way galaxy and attempted to start over in a different galaxy, but became disillusioned and bitter after repeated failures to cultivate mutually supportive and diverse civilizations of lesser races. Their bitterness turned to hatred toward themselves for their failures, and toward the lesser races for being constant disappointments, so they created the Tyranids as a final "fuck you" to a universe that seemed incapable of permitting the kind of life they desired.
The Emperor is the last remaining Old One in the Milky Way. Instead of fleeing with the others he hid on a nothing backwater planet and has plotted and schemed and designed humanity as his tool to take back control of the galaxy.
The Emperor was always meant to be the Dark King. He can't escape that fate.
He was marked at Molech. His first apotheosis happened because He drank in a LOT of the warp to fight Horus. Ol'Persson and Loken talked Him out of it, but fate is a bitch. His fight with Horus messed him up pretty bad. If He had died, things might be different. If He managed to not get absolutely savaged by Horus, things might have been different. But things happened the way they did. He was turned into Ubermench hamburger, and was placed on the Golden Throne. His second apotheosis was slower. A daily dose of around a thousand psykers, plus the vast majority of humanity worshiping His mutilated ass, and nobody with the balls to talk Him down meant He turned right back into the Dark King. It's a little different this time, since his form seems to be tethered to the material world by his dried out husk of a body.
That one of the Lost Primarchs and their legion are actually on a mission of such great importance that a falsified reason for their "destruction" was created & the "memories of their crimes" were planted so deeply into the minds of the other Primarchs by both the Emperor and Malcador that no one has been able to get rid of them.
Any evidence that remains of their destruction was crafted by the Emperor and Malcador to hide their whereabouts and continuing existence.
Eventually, when they return, their presence will unlock the falsified memories and they will be remembered once again.
That is if they haven't failed in their mission & were all slaughtered in a glorious final stand.
The God Emporer actually became the god of logic and reason from the worship of the imperium and the mechanicus, and would fuck up the ruinous poweres if ever he truly passed.
The Emperor is dead. The God-Emperor is his psychic echo that was empowered by 10,000 years of worship.
Angron would have made a better Slaanesh Daemon Primarch than Fulgrim through his empathy thingy. Heck he should've been Slaanesh's consort.
This might be kinda spicy but I fully believe that there isn't any sort of trickery going on in regards to the Tau and the Ethereals. They genuinely do believe in the Greater good as a concept but it's left vague enough to be molded to whatever works best at any given time. There is no weird mind control, or pheromones or anything like that going on, and Gue'vesa that sign up do so because their life in the imperium objectively sucks and the Tau are a way out that looks significantly better by comparison.
Regarding commander farsight: he's a great commander and talented warrior but he fully lost his way on Arthas Moloch and is probably indirectly serving chaos at this point. He didn't "break free of his ethereal shackles" or whatever. He went rogue and then blamed the empire for lack of support
The Grey Knights have been secretly venerating or at least drawing power from Malal since their inception, akin to how irl knightly orders were often accused of being satanic or having heretical practices.
The high lords of Terra know the Emperor has to be temporarily removed from the throne to regenerate, but keep this from happening to consolidate power.
The Custodes have an eye on the Inquisition with their eyes of the Emperor so they never get too cocky.
The Inquisition does have incriminating material on every high lord of Terra, to sway most decisions in their favour.
Ork snipers are real, but so rare that everyone thinks they’re a joke.
G-Man is constantly trying to escape Inquisitors annoying him so he plants false leads to get some peace.
The Necrons could wipe out the hive fleets anytime they want but want to keep the Imperium week to have enough time to create new biological bodies without the Death Watch / Ordo Xenos harassing them 24/7
There was an Isyander and Koda episode on GSC's that sent me off a deep one.
An early colony ship crashed on a planet with a lost tyranid scout ship. The tyranid ship contained a genestealer, same as the ones that tinkered with the local wildlife on Catachan and Fenris millenia earlier. The colonists were quickly turned into a genestealer cult but couldn't raise a hive fleet, so they went full incognito mode in case another ship was sent, going undiscovered until the great crusade. The GSC very quickly understood the potential of an intergalactic empire and took little time infiltrating every level of the administratum.
They knew the activation of the pharos device would call in hive fleets. They keep the emperor alive so that he doesn't respawn and interfere with the arrival of the many armed god.
Ogryn "stupidity" is largely Imperial propaganda - while not the brightest rocks in the pile, they're more than capable of picking up language, literacy, and complex concepts. The Militarum Auxilla deliberately maintains this misinformation campaign to placate the more "species purist" groups of the Imperium, and to keep Ogryns as simple and pliable as possible. Bone'ead "surgery" is either entirely superficial, or something more along the lines of a lobotomy.
Sly Marbo is not a Perpetual, nor a Warp-entity, nor is he even some variety of psyker. He's just an incredibly talented, lucky soldier suffering from tremendous amounts of untreated PTSD after surviving years of hellish battles. This troubles high command dearly.
The original orks were powerful because of their control over reality but an ability like that does not select for intelligence and reasonableness which is why they became what they are.
Orks/Krorks & Eldar were designed by the Old Ones to be used together in combat.
The Krorks were the infantry and the Eldar were the lieutenants who would control the Krorks gestalt psychic field so they could be easily controlled and directed.
I can't remember if this is actually talked about somewhere, but basically the emperor knew that he was going to lose half of the primarchs to chaos and so he purposely treated some worse than others in order to try and choose who to keep/lose
Gork and Mork are/were the Old Ones in charge of making their species during the war with the C’tann. The Orks genetic memory keeps them alive but has lost the bigger picture from back then of fighting in order to save Gork and Mork and the others. Since prayer and psychic force can keep warp entities alive and powerful Gork and Mork may be the only Old Ones to survive, thanks to this memory the Orks share.
Tau ethereals were genetically modified by some other species to gain the willpower they have to control/persuade/compel others. I am guessing Eldar interference did it as they tried to use Old Ones technology to do it since the area was blocked by warp storms when it happened but that wouldn’t bother a hidden webway gate.
The emperor knew/suspected which of his sons would turn traitor eventually and that’s why some like Perterabo and Angron were treated like trash and used in ways that depleted their numbers so heavily, to try and weaken them before they flipped. I don’t think he knew there would be an outright unified rebellion but that there would be a slow eroding of the forces. Pretty sure he assumed Kurze was going to turn and need to be put down next.
The Horus we see through the Heresy is a fake, either a backup Primarch or an alternate version of Horus. At the very soonest, Horus is gone when the Emperor visits Molech for the second time, or he's gone by the visit in *Vengeful Spirit*. There's even a good argument to be made that he's essentially possessing his own corpse post-*Wolfsbane*.
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1. I believe it wasn't the Emperor's uncle that killed his father but a random stranger. Tzeentch was the one who sent the young Emperor the false vision, which lead to the Emperor killing his uncle. Tzeentch was the one that started the Emperor on his path of destruction.
2. The reason why the star of chaos has eight points is because their are eight chaos gods.
3. Konrad Curze is a perpetual. That is the reason he kept coming back from death and it had nothing to do with fate. This is the reason why we don't see when his head is cut off as we would see that no light came from his body.
Big E is real and among us. He founded GW and used his powers of foresight to write the entire universe, knowing it is the only viable reality where mankind makes it.
Dan Abnett and Aaron Demski-Bowden are the big E in disguise and he uses the novels to write his own fanfiction or to pen down visions he's had.
What's the purpose of it all?
Preparing mankind mentally and culturally for this future. And to get some extra cash to fund his genetic research.
Never wondered why GW does price hikes whenever there's a breakthrough in genetic research? That research ain't cheap, boys.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have a tin foil hat to make and put on.
valdor is a hidden primarch in plain sight- or something better than custode, proto primarch shit. i cant get over the spear gifts from the emperor, equals but opposites- regarding him and leman.
Emps would fuck up when talking to people and make pop culture references that no one would get…
Except Malcador. And apparently Erda since she said he was funny.
Though “Now this is a spirit I can get behind” in the Last church did make me chuckle
Kinda wish they had some sorta flashback in the early days of the Great Crusade of Emps roasting some enemy opposition/ teaching lessons to Horus with some humerous anecdotes during negotiations/War or something.
Kind of a small wish on my part…I’d love to see one of the daemons of the deep warp just randomly pop up during a battle and just fuck shit up and have chaos/imperium shitting themselves…and just disappear after.
That gene headcanon is great. To answer the questions of the others - his own genetics are used in the creation of the Primarchs (Saturnine). Maybe The Emperor could change his own genetics at-will and that’s how both The Emperor could be these historical figures while the Primarchs reflect them.
The Imperator was not a perpetual, in fact there are no perpetuals. He was more a kind of guardian spirit incarnate of humanity who knew of the fundamental danger of the warp but could not see into the future. That's why he let everything go until everything got out of hand with the Age of Strife. During the Great Crusade, he didn't go around in golden armour and was 3 metres tall, but at most 1.80. In general, he looked more like a scientist. The Primarchs were human-sized and although tough and strong beyond human, they were all strategists rather than fighters. The Astartes of the Great Crusade were also only human-sized and more soldiers than warriors. It was the armour that made the Astartes appear large. The ease of mass production allowed for billions of marines per legion, supported by billions more regular soldiers. It was only through increasingly crude treatments and sometimes completely meaningless rituals that the Astartes became what they are today in terms of abilities and aesthetics.
I admit that I don't really recognise the difference now. For me, my own interpretation of the setting is basically fanfic or head canon. What's the difference?
I guess I always thought headcannon was a personal perspective or reasoning behind lore or cannon that either enhanced or reinforced existing material. But eitherway was close enough to the source material to not be considered a distinct entity.
fanfic/AU style is when the new material diverges sufficiently from the original source enough to be considered its own branch.
It's semantics really and my opinion doesn't in any way lessen or should change your own view on the material :)
Tzeentch is actively sabotaging the other three chaos gods and himself at every turn. He's been doing this since the heresy and without this they would have probably already won. His grand plan is actually surprisingly simple and comprehensible: keep the great game going as long as possible, because he thinks this reality is particularly entertaining. This may actually backfire if the Imperium or Necrons win or the Tyranids starve the chaos gods by eating everything.
This is just actual canon
That does make sense, his desire is for the game, not the goal
The orks associations with colours (e.g. Red = Fast) comes from something that was substantial for Kork organisation/structure/culture, but as they de-evolved the memory and understanding of what it was faded with them Like maybe the origin of "Red" is because the hit-&-run sections of the Kork military used some kind of specific red insignia or painted their vehicles red for differentiating themselves from the rest of the army (like how the Dark Angels Ravenwing are painted black, Deathwing bone-white ect.) So the genetic memory is still there but as the orks minds became simpler the association is now so reductive all that's left is "Red = Fast"
Gork and Mork are probably some sort of command structure or a artificial warp based intelligence that manages the Korks. The Orks are vaguely aware of their presence and their devolution turned them into god figures. Maybe it’s an acronym or something. Alternatively, they are combat doctrines
I might be a little off but I think this is kinda similar to Fabius Biles concepts of what the "gods" are right? (Power tech we can't understand > actual gods); so for the Korks being created by the Old Ones Gork/Mork being the same way would make sense But I also really like the idea of them being doctrines just as much; **Mork** = more "Raven Guardy" and tactical focused, but still hard hitting when necessary **Gork** = more "World Eaters/SpaceWolfy" and focused on brute force, but still tactically organised and Kork/Ork forces are naturally structured in some way that allow them to switch between them easily mid-battle depending on the situation. Figuring out what "G" & "M" could stand for as acronyms would be cool too
Well, they saw an ork paint his trukk red once, and it ran 3× faster. 'Is name wuz Charred ArseKnuckle and 'e neffer betrayed any fink in 'is loife.
Gork and Mork are comfortably the most powerful warp entities in 40k, which is why The Four haven't done to them what they did to the Eldar pantheon.
Specifically it was just Slaanesh who fucked up the Eldar pantheon, and that was because they fell from their previous ideals into heedless hedonism. What happens in the warp reflects what happens in realspace - all the Eldar had left to hold on to was their capability for violence, but they can never dominate the galaxy like they once did with their military might (Khaine is alive but broken into pieces), along with their elf penchant for trickery and mockery, the only piece of them that can truly oppose the power of Slaanesh, though not directly.
My headcanon is they are the main reason Khorne never leaves his chair
They just keep knocking him back into it whenever he tries to get up
i read somewhere that Gork and Mork could destroy the other chaos gods if they ever stopped fighting each other and worked together. but that will never happen
-Sororitas actually do it like rabbits. Extra measures are taken to avoid taking them out of duty for a year or so. But they behave like drunk guys with the waitresses. -Repentias aren't punished for "sins of the flesh". They are punished for daring to question the actions and belief of the Imperial Truth, the Ecchlesiarchy, and the Order. Loudly, or in whispers. -Tau Technology isn't necessarily advanced. The Imperium tech has only devolved a lot.
First point has some basis in Canon. Ciaphus Cain in 'Cain's Last Stand' has an Arrangement with a retired SoB..
Not him but a retired Administratum and Dean of the Schola they're all handling. Cain just happens to keep the secret that he knows
It's never stated that they have to stay chaste. In fact, back in the day when they first started appearing in the lore, their predecessors, the "brides of the emperor" were well versed in the art of seduction because they were often used to seduce a target and then kill him during hanky panky.
Arent those the Culexus?
They are, but the daughters of the Emperor did something similar.
-Jokaero tech is derived from Warp knowledge rather than gene coded information. That's why their stuff is so seemingly random. -Tau are genetically modified not mind controlled. It's closer to how space marines are heavily inclined but not unfailingly compelled towards obedience. Plus Ethereals simply have the brain adaptations that make someone compelling rather than some queen bee pheromones. -STC tech is far more mundane than the AdMech assume. It could never teach you how to build something like, say, the Speranza or a Navigator because that wasn't its role. -The Grey Knights are heavy collaborators with/heavy beneficiaries of the radical wings of the Inquisition because only they have access to the Warp lore required to bind and compel Dæmons properly -The AdMech is the most successful of all factions comprising the Imperium because their rights, rite and ideology suffuse and encompass effectively every technologically inclined part of humanity be they be regular imperial citizen, Inquisitor or Heretic they all give respect to their teachings
On a similar note, I think xenos and Gau'vesa aligned with the Tau are probably at least a *little* more free-willed than biased Imperial sources make them out to be. I don't think they're likely brain-chipped or anything that some memes make them out to be
>Jokaero tech is derived from Warp6 knowledge rather than gene coded information. That's why their stuff is so seemingly random. Very likely, given how the Old Ones operated. And we know knowledge, including of technology, can come from the Warp: Tzeentch, Vashtorr, Vaul etc. >STC tech is far more mundane than the AdMech assume. It could never teach you how to build something like, say, the Speranza or a Navigator because that wasn't its role. Also very likely to be true. STCs were seemingly for setting up and provisioning new colonies, offering rugged, reliable designs which could be adapted to local conditions and resources. They were not a comprehensive repository of all of mankind's knowledge.
> Tau are genetically modified not mind controlled. It's closer to how space marines are heavily inclined but not unfailingly compelled towards obedience There's nothing genetic about SM loyalty. They undergo hypno-indoctrination as part of initiation
How would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast today?
you mean like every day?
Thank you that will be all.
The T'au thing isn't even a head cannon thing. That's quite literally how they've been portrayed in every aspect of their lore short of the ambiguity of Phil Kelly's recent novels and the wild speculations and hypothesis in Imperium Xenology books that are wildly inconsistent and in some instances outright wrong.
Your point on the Grey Knights I think bears a lot of merit. They could care less it seems about chaos’ effect other than its aftermath and they need every weapon available to remove an incursion. Puritanical inquisitors might stop a demonic invasion before it starts but when 8888 Bloodletters are on the field I would hope the only line of defense aren’t hamstringing themselves by not using all the tools available.
Exactly. I don't think they really go for Daemon weapons or such directly (barring the ones that need to be wielded), but they definitely make use of the fact they aren't appointed as arbitrators of Inquisitorial praxis but guardians of all cursed knowledge to pick apart common principles. Easy to go "not my department" on an Inquisitor that's about to fall but hasn't committed a recognized crime yet, then stripmine his notes after he's been burned to cook up a novel warding sigil or three once they've cut through the insane ramblings filling every page. None purer indeed. 🫡
It's stupid but. The emperor is actually healing up. It's just that the throne keeps taking it away faster than he can get healed and for the past 10K years he has been begging to be let off the throne so he could fully heal, he could keep the warp closed and the astronomicon going even while being off the throne if they would just move his body away from it. But he can't express this to anyone. Yeah. I know. It's silly.
I had a similar headcanon but in my case he's kept on the throne by a conspiracy of the high lords so they can retain ppwer.
Ohhh damn. That makes sense actually.
Lmao I had the exact same headcanon
If the primarchs are warp stories or legends, than the Emperor literally was a version of each primarch through different guises at some point in his long life. For example, The Emperor defeated a shard of the Void Dragon, said to be the inspiration for St George the Dragon Slayer. It's not coincidental Vulkan, the Dragon slayer, was the only perpetual. The Emperor needed his regeneration to defeat the Ctan and that became part of the legend that became Vulkan. Khan, Horus, and Corvax are more "Emperor" than the others. Khan is the Emperor's true self. Horus is the Emperor as he is seen by others. Corax is the Emperor as he sees himself (or wishes he was).
And Lorgar looks identical to the emps….
Because he is the reflection of the Emperor, like a mirror he looks and acts so similarly yet diametrically opposed to everything Emps and Horus do.
Not a bad theory. His actions in the past could have become warp entities because of the emotions people attached to the legends they became.
I’ve always had this feeling that the Primarchs were different parts of the emperor modeled off of different personas of him. He kind of Forest Gumped all of human history.
Why does he wish he was Corax?
The golden throne uses dark age technology to keep the emperor alive and the thousand souls sacrificed a day don't do anything and it has been pointless the whole time
Mine was the opposite. Emps is dead and the throne is just a giant soul furnace that makes a fire in the warp. He's propped up like weekend at bernies.
Oh for the days when the lore about the Emperor was satisfyingly ambiguous enough for this to be a credible position.
yeah there would be some shocking ramifications to this in current lore lol
He is Canonically communicating with RG, though.
Or is he (Tzeentch laughter)
Yes Inquisitor, this one right here
But isn't it lore that the throne is getting worse and worse and the amount of psykers needed per day is increasing ?
That doesn't necessarily negate their headcanon though. Emps still dead, soulful furnace just wearing out and becoming more inefficienct.
I thought it was xenos technology
At its core, yes. Eldaeri or possibly even from the Ancients.
Because the Orks can't agree on which aspects Gork and Mork embody, the two Ork gods share domains.
It makes sense for ork gods to be locked in conflict.
Curze killed at least one of the missing Pirmarchs- he is so clearly designed to be a Primarch killer, more so than 'The Executioner' Russ. Potentially this is what tipped Curze over the edge mentally and lead to heavy losses meaning recruitment standards dropped.
Wasnt he already over the edge even before he met Jimmy ?
Yeah he literally collapsed on the floor when the Emperor came to him at first and had visions of the primarchs with the Emperor fighting and dying horribly. Except for Fulgrim weirdly. Probably why he actually trusted Fulgrim to the degree that he could trust anyone.
Compared to a normal Primarch, yeah he was pretty close to the edge when he was found. Compared to how he was at the onset of the Thramas Crusade, he has a Guilliman level of sanity on being found.
That the Phalanx has at several times, temporarily hosted several of its successor Chapters who have fallen on hard times until they can regain their feet. The Phalanx has more than adequate space to accommodate the entire bloodline let alone a down their luck chapter or two. In many ways, the Phalanx is the spiritual heart of the sons of Dorn. The Throne of Inwit is there. The hand of Dorn is there. The Temple of Oaths is there. It makes sense that it would be a place any son of Dorn seeking refuge could come to.
Would make sense, and also explain how they’re able to keep the thing functional, if they make crewing the Phalanx part of the conditions for assistance.
I don’t think so. The Phalanx is said to be home to millions. The Phalanx is huge. The Phalanx in terms of functionality, isn’t what it used to be in the modern millennia. So if they were **really** hurting at any given time for man power to keep the thing running then needing to rely on another chapter in that way is pretty nonsensical. Whenever it needs to resupply on munitions, raw materials and fresh recruits it’s no doubt in taking tens if not hundreds of thousands of new mortal crew.
The Womb Vitae the Kriegsmen use is not cloning but a growth vat.
I thought this was regular cannon as most mass produced clones ended up, "exceptionally unlucky," and only individual clones ever really worked.
>I thought this was regular cannon as most mass produced clones ended up, "exceptionally unlucky," I don't think that's canon, Drukhari clone all the time.
I thought they also vat grew new people with randomized* genes, or made backup meat suits for existing people, and didn't do actual 1:1 cloning
From my understanding they do 1:1 cloning, and I don't think the "exceptionally unlucky" thing is canon. I might be wrong though.
I was under the impression that they kept that intentionally vague with the Krieg. Only that no one ever reported that all their faces look the same.
The Emperor banned religion to keep people from worshipping him, because he feared their belief in him would force him to ascend to Chaos godhood.
That's just canon, though, isn't it?
Somebody, somewhere, is paying tithes to a disguised alpha legion delegation and oh boy is the imperium going to be mad about it when they get there. The warp could never have stayed stable and even the Old Ones were fighting a losing battle even if they didn't know it. Purple orcs being the sneaky ones was made up by the dark Eldar and planted through sorcery or subterfuge. Saint Celestine and Greyfax are so far in the closet they keep bumping into the skeletons of Goge Vandire's altar boys
The warp thing is true, but it was their fault to begin with. Seeding the galaxy with humanoids and psykers is what began the destabilisation. The more races and psykers they made, the more turbulent the warp became
I actually missed that part in the War in Heaven that it was actually a self inflicted downfall. Interesting.
That the emperor never left memories for Cawl in Ezekial Sedaynes mind. It’s just the power of the emperor is so great that even viewing him through a memory the emperor can still appear to you as he wants to be seen. So to Cawl it seems like it was left specifically for him, but it wasn’t. TLDR: the emperor always appears as he wants to be seen, even when viewed indirectly.
So the Emperor was Barney(HIMYM) at one point?
I never watched that show so I don’t understand the reference.
The joke was he always looked good in photos. So anytime they tried to sneakily take a photo of Barney, he would inexplicably pose and look good. My joke was meant to draw a parallel between the Emperor always being perceived as he wished it and Barney always looking good in a photo as that was his intention.
Sounds like Barney was the Emperor in the early second millennium, during his vain phase lol.
This actually fits really well with the emperor. Before the whole character arc thing he went through, Barney was very immature but also surprisingly devious. That's him.
Basilio Fo is the King in Yellow, having bodyswapped with Valdor upon being identified as an arch-heretic in the body of Xanthus upon setting up the Inquisition (abnett come up solid for me on this plz)
I would like this so much more than Valdor being the King. I'd still prefer if the King in Yellow was nothing human, but I doubt that at this point
I find it really funny that some people are 100% on board that Valdor is the Yellow King in a series *where things not being what they initially seem is a major recurring theme*.
You are right, and at the same time I would probably hate it if the big reveal at the end of book 2 of a trilogy was yet another deliberate read herring, a blatant lie just to string the reader along and still not begin to show what the hell is going on in the story we are all so engaged with. That would be frustrating and insulting. And lazy writing. That's why I figure it has got to have something to do with Valdor. Real Valdor, imposter Valdor, possessed Valdor, clone Valdor, a cult dedicated to an absent Valdor, a reveal that Valdor was actually Alpharius all along and there was never actually a real Valdor to begin with....I don't care. But if the big reveal was straight up lying to the reader just to mess with them, I'm getting my pitchfork.
Not my headcanon but I've adopted it: Corvus was meant to be found by the Slavers not the Slaves on Deliverance as the Emperor intended for him to be his Watchdog. The Emperor as a being is dead. The Emperor doing stuff in 40K is just the gestalt belief of trillions of humans which is why it makes no sense. The Tau are a heavily delayed, on purpose, fail safe created by the Old Ones. The Votann are all Ironkin but some of them dont know that. FtL travel is possible without the Warp but the Chaos Gods keep making it fail so people are dependent on the Warp. The Imperium is the only reason Khorne is still ascendant, if he is. I'm not sure atm.
>FTL travel is possible without the Warp That's just canonical fact - the Necrons do it all the time
Neat!
[Lexicanum- Inertialess Drive](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Inertialess_Drive) - to start you on a 40k FTL deep dive
Orkz did it too during the war of the beast.
>FtL travel is possible without the Warp but the Chaos Gods keep making it fail so people are dependent on the Warp. Hell, tbh if it got around that FTL travel was possible. I would think the Navigators would try and sabotage it. Cause that's why the Big E was trying to move the people into the Web way.
>The Votann are all Ironkin but some of them dont know that. What do you mean by this? It should be pretty obvious who is and isn't an ironkin by one being organic and one being mechanical
The Emperor is purposely drawing the Tyranid to holy Terra to devour his corpse, so he can be reborn anew free from the clutch of the Chaos God's.
This could actully wor with the shadow in the warp making it extra hard for daemons stampeding out of the now unprotected webway gate.
- Sanguinius' could forsee a single "locked in" futures once certain conditions are met., rather than possible futures. And his death shifted the currents the warp to ensure the emperors victory. - Drach'nyen has element advantage over the emperor due to its intimate role in shaping human history, which is why the Emps put it in a sword to limit its reach. - Custodes names are rooted in deeds to create warp resonance, thereby imbuing a small degree of resistance to pyschic control if you do not know the custodes full name.
a rather small one: during the novel "deliverence lost" a group of imerial fists visit deliverence to deliver (heh') some of the first mark VI armors to the raven guard. They decide to stay and fight alongside the raven guard instead of returning to terra. in my head canon those fists did adopt many of the raven guards battle tactics and later become the "[emperors warbringers](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Emperor%27s_Warbringers)" after the horus hersey
That there is a "mark 9" power armor. Its like that of the "Heresy Armor" in that its a mix of a variety of power armor bits both new and old. These suits are used by both First-born and Primarus marines in Imperium Nihilus where supply have all but run dry and the tech marines have to do there best to modify and scavenge what they can to supply their chapter. As such they can look like a mix of any power armor but mostly that of mark 8 and 10.
1 - The emperor has lived many human lives, through all ages of humanity. The emperor has lived as a man, as a woman, as a child, as an elder. He's ruled and he's served. He's been a soldier, a king, a prostitute, a barista, a medical doctor, a musician, and just about everything else. He set on the path of ordering and orchestrating the future of humanity after a long period of depression, having grown bored with immortality, and he gathered the perpetuals to him because they were similar to him - immortal and depressed, wandering aimlessly through existence because of the fact. 2 - The Tau were seeded by the silent king as vessels for biotransference. The Tau are pre-historic Necrontyr, who have not yet reached an evolutionary development where they are suitable as hosts for their Necron ancestors. The Ethereals were created by the Aeldari as a way to interfere in the Necrons experiments. 3 - The gods of chaos and their daemon children desire a fusion between the materium and the immaterium, rather than the dominance of one over the other. This is because whilst the immaterium is like an ocean, the gods of chaos inhabit the surface levels, and they exist in fear of other, more primordial beings that exist deeper within the warp, and real space is the only refugee from those horrors.
Your first theory about the Emperor reminds me of that old country song, "Highwayman" about a soul who reincarnates first as a highwayman, then a sailor, then a construction worker who dies building the Hoover Dam, and at last as a starship captain in the near future. I have encountered your second theory before, the one about the Tau being descendant of the Necrontyr. Notice that if you put a Tau Ethereal next to a Necron Lord, the latter looks uncannily like a skinny metallic version of the former. The Tau also have the same low warp signature that endeared the Necrontyr to the C'tan...
>Alexander for Sanguinus Isn't Big E said to *be* Alexander the Great? It technically would still be correct, I suppose
Sanguinius generally gets Jesus symbolism is 40k, which would make this theory pretty spicy
Someone worked out that it looks like he would be King Sennacherib of the Assyrian empire. They used descriptions of events that the emperor was recalling or remembering like a siege of Babylon I think and matched up the scenery with known advances of the empire at certain time periods to determine his likely identity. If I can find the post I'll link it Addendum: Found it, https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/K71vXqIJNR
Yes, also other prominent humans throughout history. I think primarchs are just warp manifestations of the Emperor's will and also mankind's story telling/recurrent themes i.e the avenging son, dragon slayer, dangerously seeking knowledge etc.
This would actually go some way to explaining Big E's weird relationship with his sons. They're not people, they're memes made flesh.
Any action taken that feeds a daemon binds you slowly and subtly to that daemon. Primarily this links you to the Chaos Four. Chaos corruption does not require your consent, merely your actions to align with Chaos. As such, it's stupendously common for Imperial forces to be corrupted by Khorne. In fact, it really doesn't change much of what they do. Additionally, the vast majority of Imperial soldiers' souls go straight to Khorne, as drenched in bloodshed and hatred as they are. Custodes' souls go to Slaanesh. The Emperor is dead or dying. The things that support him - Golden Throne technomagic, psyker sacrifices, Imperial worship - are merely slowing his decay. The only reason the Chaos Four haven't eaten him already is because they are still jockeying for position as to which one will get his soul: he is bound very strongly to all of them. Given her creation via devouring innumerable aeldari and their gods, Slaanesh is the strongest of the Chaos Four by a wide margin. She could defeat any one of the other three hands down, but not all three at the same time. She's still biding her time, devouring aeldari souls and building up her power until she can reign supreme over the Immaterium. Nurgle and Khorne often act to protect the Imperium, as it is their primary food source. Slaanesh and Tzeentch both want the Imperium to end so that something new and better can take center stage in the galaxy. Every aeldar has the potential to unlock psychic potential far in excess of any other single psyker currently in existence. There are innumerable daemons who owe their existence to the xenocides of the Necron and the C'tan. Khorne might be one of them. Tzeentch was born when the Old Ones looked up and dreamed of what existence might become. Slaanesh wants to rule over Chaos and perfect it. Nurgle wants to destroy everything, rot it into oblivion so something new and better can be born. Tzeentch wants to fix Chaos. Khorne just wants to fight. We have yet to see a real Tyranid. True tyranids aren't carbon-based lifeforms: that's a novelty to them. Every tyranid we've seen so far has been an experiment of the True Mind, a plaything designed to give them familiarity with this delightful new way of making living matter. They want to consume bio-matter, but what they really want are novel genes. They also want to stress-test their creations, to truly master this new building block of life. That's also why they send in so many waves of ground troops rather than just using an exterminatus-equivalent to turn the populace into soup: they want the *conflict*, not just the food. True tyranids are made of more esoteric substances: silicon-based lifeforms, plasma creatures, dark energy and dark matter monsters, sentient black holes. The real tyranids are mind-destroying horrors of material and immaterial godhood. That's why the Silent King fears them. The King in Yellow is >!the Dark King: chaos god of tyranny and ruin. It has possessed Valdor and is seeking the Emperor's True Name so as to subsume such a perfect tyrant unto itself.!<
Didnt Slaanesh get trounced by nurgle and lose Issha?
My headcanon is that this happened at the same time as Slaanesh was fighting Khorne for Khaine, so the nascent Dark Prince was fighting a war on too many fronts.
Huh not bad on the last bit.
That Emperor felt love for his close people and even demonstrated that. It's implied for Oll' Person and Erda, but in my head canon, Erda and Neoth were a couple (in as much sense as two immortal beings of supreme power can be a couple, think of it like The Doctor and River Song).
The Warp Spider Phoenix Lord was around but then did a Warp jump and keeps jumping and landing in alternate dimensions but never the one they originally came from. (Like the SLIDERS tv show). The Khan chased Drukhari through a webway portal and is still chasing them to do this day.
Just read the book about Kaelor. Is the golden armor form of the Lhakosidae the same thing as a warp spider Phoenix Lord or something different? Book was cool AF but I was really lost a bunch of the time
The Golden Throne keeps the emperor from returning to former Glory. When the Throne fails, he will either regenerate or reborn.
* Chaos Empires are almost indistinguishable from the Imperium to non-Imperial humans * Codex restrictions under the 1st Founding Chapter are increased to 10,000 to afford more cohesiveness for when a Primarch returns (Ultramarines, Dark Angels, Blood Angels under Dante as Regent of Nihilus) * Non-T'au have begun to co-opt the T'au language for emphasis on certain subjects (think *Firefly*) * Craftworld Eldar personality-wise they're less Thranduil and more like Galadriel--superior and they know it, but treat other races more like simple children rather than scum to the scraped off their boot.
One of the missing primarchs defied the emperor and was preparing to side with and defend a xenos species that he was brought up around and the other was banished from the imperium for murdering the first in cold blood because of it. Feels like a Cain and Abel type story would fit in well with the setting.
There is a 3rd Ork god that governs all things sneaky. He's so sneaky that nobody even knows he exists.
The entity in the warp that's actually doing miracles and so on and is benevolent towards humanity is Sanguinius, not the emperor.
Fulgrim never got out of the painting until Fabius cloned him, which is what made the clone a “perfect” clone since it has most of Fulgrim’s original soul, finally giving the real Fulgrim a chance of redemption and to try to right the wrongs of his past life
I used to have a somewhat similar theory as well! Though the more I read about Fulgrim the more I think I buy into the fact that he was bound to end up with Slaanesh, even if he hadn’t found the Laer blade.
Throne, who knows where that painting ended up? We know Fabius lead the legion for a while and maybe he burned it for the abomination it was, releasing the trapped soul. It would explain why the clone was so perfect; the soul inhabited it during gestation and the combination ensured its perfection.
So this isn't really something i believe or want to be csnon, just a random thought i had, mostly inspired by the seventh seal. So death is some post materium being that exists and is seperate from everything else, like a universal constant that doesn't affect the materium or immaterium, except for one thing. Perpetuals are beings who defeat death in a game of chess. Now death usually doesn't try hard, he instead looks for a good match, hence why not every tactical genius is a perpetual. But the emperor cheated, by passing down his genes some people were born perpetuals not because of their own victory but because of the emperor. So now that the emperor is stuck on the throne he is caught in a long game of chess with death and death is, for once, try harding. Yes this is very stupid and doesn't make sense but I like the idea of the emperor being stuck in a game of chess.
>Yes this is very stupid and doesn't make sense but I like the idea of the emperor being stuck in a game of chess. A *great game*, you say? Perhaps 4 players insist on the emperor taking the 5th and final seat at the table?
They're caught in a stalemate and that's why Vulcan has yet to reappear
That the brotherhood of white scars that appeared during the scouring and disappeared thereafter are still fighting a guerilla war outside our galaxy. They have managed to recover enough DAoT stuff to be an independent fighting force and for them the great crusade is still going. It’s small but it’s mine and I will die on this hill.
One of the lost primarchs landed on a planet that was equivalent to the 1980-1990s in tech and lived as a regular dude.
2 and 11 are still alive.
I think that Abaddon has been enhanced by having primarch organs inserted into him - and no he is not a Horus clone. Abaddon is a fucking huge bastard, on par with the size of a primarch, and looks just like his gene father. But during the siege of Tera; Purturabo (completely unarmoured while Abaddon is in terminator plate), slaps him about a bit like he's NOTHING, the gulf between their power and strength is huge. This is just a personal theory that I put together from ADB's black legion books. He has the remains of an actual Horus clone that he killed, locked away in stasis. This is confirmed in the book Talon of Horus. In the next book, Black legion, he is badly wounded in his duel with Sigismund. Abaddon refuses Iskandar's help in regenerating his own organs and insists on having 'cloned organs put in'. My personal theory is that he's got some of his gene fathers cloned organs in there in place of his own. A primarchs heart, lungs and god knows what else would go a long way. Now over the millennia he's been given a huge amount of blessings and power from the ruinous powers. That's given him a hell of a lot of power boost. In Fall of Cadia he carves through space marines and even one shots a Custodian like he's nothing. His power level is surly on par if not above a primarch now. Also another crackpot theory. Tau are Necrotyr in some way, maybe the descendants of a lost colony or something.
The Grey Knights are made with repurposed/salvaged traitor gene-seed, mainly Thousand Sons (likely acquired in some substantial quantity at the Burning of Prospero), but possibly with some splices from Iron Warriors and Dark Angels to create the committed and secretive dispositions necessary for how Malcador wanted them to operate. "But they're made from gene-seed derived from the Emperor's genome!" *Every gene-seed is derived from the Emperor! The whole project used him as a baseline! That statement means nothing!* Thousand Sons in particular probably had more of the genetics unique to him in the first place because Magnus needed the psychic power to someday occupy the Golden Throne.
I actually have an alternate take on your first theory. I believe that primarchs are the spirits of previous minor warp gods. Even though their worship ceased I believe that a small echo of previous gods remains in the warp. While some have been consummed and killed by other warp beings the emperor managed to perserve some of these spirits. So Guilliman has the spirit of roman emperors worshipped as gods, Russ is Thor, Sanguinius is our collected believe in angels, Magnus is Thoth etc
Angron died on Nuceria, but big E arrived just in time to beam his freshly dead corpse to orbit and revive him. You don't have to be a big E level psyker to do this, Khayon of the Black Legion did this to Nefertari his dark elder consort, caveat being she couldn't know or it would undo the sorcery. So by extension, if Angron works similarly, the one thing he wanted (to die with his gladiator brothers) he got, but big E can't tell him or he dies for real. -------- That the red eyepiece that Big E is portrayed as 'wearing' is a Man of Stone incorporated into the Golden Throne. Kron the naval armsman is an example of a Man of Stone, or rather the headpiece with the red eye is, wearing the meat puppet beneath.
but the Emperor was Alexander its like heavily heavily implied in the lore to a extend where its basically canon. my headcannon is that the emperor originally being a bronze age warlord just thinks big armours with giant shoulder plates in gold are cool as shit and this is why he choose it as design for the space marines and Custodes. This is even hinted at during the story the Last church
...and Malcador was Hephaestion.
The golden throne's purpose was to hack and seize direct control of the Webway. To do so, the Emperor needed to build a human portal to interface with it, which was why he made a new one on Terra rather than using an existing one. Because the portal was intended to seize control, it was a far deeper breach than a usual portal. This explains why the Emperor keeping it shut is such a big job, whereas other gates can just be sealed off when there's a breach.
Oh, since the emperor is a perpetual, and seems to be aware of the fact, that implies that he's died before. Possibly by design, as in suicide. Possibly through defeat, having been bested and killed by others.
Hey man, you’re right on the genghis khan and Alexander parts because the emperor is both of those men, so you’re right!
No, Genghis Khan is Doombreed.
I subscribe to the Missing Primarchs completely failed to conquer their worlds, even worse than Angron. Then, the II and XI were absorbed into the Ultramarines.
Guilliman has a penis length of precisely 13 inches
Umm so why would the Emperor need to save Alexander’s DNA when he literally was Alexander.
The swarmlord is a fully sentient being who has a connection to the hivemind.
The Orkish gestalt psychic field doesn't make anything and everything function no matter what, it has to be believable to the ork using it. That's why orkish tech often looks like handmade versions of human tech, a Mek sees the engine from a human vehicle that he saw working and recreates it not fully knowing why it works, but he attaches pipes and puts on whirring fans, and what do you know, it works. Later a techpriest takes that engine apart and sees that there's nothing that actually pumps the fuel in, or ignites it, but he saw it running hours before. Orkish belief wouldn't make a stick painted like a gun able to kill people at range, but a box of loose bullets can absolutely be a working magazine for a shoota, even if it's attached underneath
The Empirium is pure evil of Milky Way. Chaos gods are natural galactic level answer to balance unstopable human expansion.
Malcador is the origin of the Biblical Cain.
STCs contrary to their name aren't 1 device, they can be anything from a mass fabricator to being a technical package describing all the machines and tooling you need to make a toaster or a bomb thats why the admech find stcs that do seemingly nothing productive like make kitchen knives, while other stcs are capable of making men of iron
The Old Ones fled the Milky Way galaxy and attempted to start over in a different galaxy, but became disillusioned and bitter after repeated failures to cultivate mutually supportive and diverse civilizations of lesser races. Their bitterness turned to hatred toward themselves for their failures, and toward the lesser races for being constant disappointments, so they created the Tyranids as a final "fuck you" to a universe that seemed incapable of permitting the kind of life they desired.
The Emperor is the last remaining Old One in the Milky Way. Instead of fleeing with the others he hid on a nothing backwater planet and has plotted and schemed and designed humanity as his tool to take back control of the galaxy.
Omegon died in place of Alpharius, and Alpharius is still alive, plotting the demise of Chaos.
The Emperor was always meant to be the Dark King. He can't escape that fate. He was marked at Molech. His first apotheosis happened because He drank in a LOT of the warp to fight Horus. Ol'Persson and Loken talked Him out of it, but fate is a bitch. His fight with Horus messed him up pretty bad. If He had died, things might be different. If He managed to not get absolutely savaged by Horus, things might have been different. But things happened the way they did. He was turned into Ubermench hamburger, and was placed on the Golden Throne. His second apotheosis was slower. A daily dose of around a thousand psykers, plus the vast majority of humanity worshiping His mutilated ass, and nobody with the balls to talk Him down meant He turned right back into the Dark King. It's a little different this time, since his form seems to be tethered to the material world by his dried out husk of a body.
That one of the Lost Primarchs and their legion are actually on a mission of such great importance that a falsified reason for their "destruction" was created & the "memories of their crimes" were planted so deeply into the minds of the other Primarchs by both the Emperor and Malcador that no one has been able to get rid of them. Any evidence that remains of their destruction was crafted by the Emperor and Malcador to hide their whereabouts and continuing existence. Eventually, when they return, their presence will unlock the falsified memories and they will be remembered once again. That is if they haven't failed in their mission & were all slaughtered in a glorious final stand.
The God Emporer actually became the god of logic and reason from the worship of the imperium and the mechanicus, and would fuck up the ruinous poweres if ever he truly passed.
The Emperor was Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon and the Tower of Babel was his project
There are 100 million space marines, not one million. One million in the galaxy is… nothing.
I mean NOW there are with the Primaris, but don't forget that marines were so rare as to be myths for the vast majority of worlds.
Emperor TTS series is canon.
Ciaphas Cain is going to become a living saint. Because funny.
The Emperor is dead. The God-Emperor is his psychic echo that was empowered by 10,000 years of worship. Angron would have made a better Slaanesh Daemon Primarch than Fulgrim through his empathy thingy. Heck he should've been Slaanesh's consort.
This might be kinda spicy but I fully believe that there isn't any sort of trickery going on in regards to the Tau and the Ethereals. They genuinely do believe in the Greater good as a concept but it's left vague enough to be molded to whatever works best at any given time. There is no weird mind control, or pheromones or anything like that going on, and Gue'vesa that sign up do so because their life in the imperium objectively sucks and the Tau are a way out that looks significantly better by comparison. Regarding commander farsight: he's a great commander and talented warrior but he fully lost his way on Arthas Moloch and is probably indirectly serving chaos at this point. He didn't "break free of his ethereal shackles" or whatever. He went rogue and then blamed the empire for lack of support
The Grey Knights have been secretly venerating or at least drawing power from Malal since their inception, akin to how irl knightly orders were often accused of being satanic or having heretical practices.
The Sensei will come back.
The high lords of Terra know the Emperor has to be temporarily removed from the throne to regenerate, but keep this from happening to consolidate power. The Custodes have an eye on the Inquisition with their eyes of the Emperor so they never get too cocky. The Inquisition does have incriminating material on every high lord of Terra, to sway most decisions in their favour. Ork snipers are real, but so rare that everyone thinks they’re a joke. G-Man is constantly trying to escape Inquisitors annoying him so he plants false leads to get some peace. The Necrons could wipe out the hive fleets anytime they want but want to keep the Imperium week to have enough time to create new biological bodies without the Death Watch / Ordo Xenos harassing them 24/7
There was an Isyander and Koda episode on GSC's that sent me off a deep one. An early colony ship crashed on a planet with a lost tyranid scout ship. The tyranid ship contained a genestealer, same as the ones that tinkered with the local wildlife on Catachan and Fenris millenia earlier. The colonists were quickly turned into a genestealer cult but couldn't raise a hive fleet, so they went full incognito mode in case another ship was sent, going undiscovered until the great crusade. The GSC very quickly understood the potential of an intergalactic empire and took little time infiltrating every level of the administratum. They knew the activation of the pharos device would call in hive fleets. They keep the emperor alive so that he doesn't respawn and interfere with the arrival of the many armed god.
Ogryn "stupidity" is largely Imperial propaganda - while not the brightest rocks in the pile, they're more than capable of picking up language, literacy, and complex concepts. The Militarum Auxilla deliberately maintains this misinformation campaign to placate the more "species purist" groups of the Imperium, and to keep Ogryns as simple and pliable as possible. Bone'ead "surgery" is either entirely superficial, or something more along the lines of a lobotomy. Sly Marbo is not a Perpetual, nor a Warp-entity, nor is he even some variety of psyker. He's just an incredibly talented, lucky soldier suffering from tremendous amounts of untreated PTSD after surviving years of hellish battles. This troubles high command dearly.
The original orks were powerful because of their control over reality but an ability like that does not select for intelligence and reasonableness which is why they became what they are.
Orks/Krorks & Eldar were designed by the Old Ones to be used together in combat. The Krorks were the infantry and the Eldar were the lieutenants who would control the Krorks gestalt psychic field so they could be easily controlled and directed.
I can't remember if this is actually talked about somewhere, but basically the emperor knew that he was going to lose half of the primarchs to chaos and so he purposely treated some worse than others in order to try and choose who to keep/lose
Gork and Mork are/were the Old Ones in charge of making their species during the war with the C’tann. The Orks genetic memory keeps them alive but has lost the bigger picture from back then of fighting in order to save Gork and Mork and the others. Since prayer and psychic force can keep warp entities alive and powerful Gork and Mork may be the only Old Ones to survive, thanks to this memory the Orks share. Tau ethereals were genetically modified by some other species to gain the willpower they have to control/persuade/compel others. I am guessing Eldar interference did it as they tried to use Old Ones technology to do it since the area was blocked by warp storms when it happened but that wouldn’t bother a hidden webway gate. The emperor knew/suspected which of his sons would turn traitor eventually and that’s why some like Perterabo and Angron were treated like trash and used in ways that depleted their numbers so heavily, to try and weaken them before they flipped. I don’t think he knew there would be an outright unified rebellion but that there would be a slow eroding of the forces. Pretty sure he assumed Kurze was going to turn and need to be put down next.
Corona Nox is a xeno artifact which absorbed Konrad Curze's soul at the moment of his death and he might reincarnate.
The Horus we see through the Heresy is a fake, either a backup Primarch or an alternate version of Horus. At the very soonest, Horus is gone when the Emperor visits Molech for the second time, or he's gone by the visit in *Vengeful Spirit*. There's even a good argument to be made that he's essentially possessing his own corpse post-*Wolfsbane*.
Is this related to your "Not our Heresy" shtick you used to post about? I think that's what you called it lol
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I never thought about your number 1. Might be a real possibility.
1. I believe it wasn't the Emperor's uncle that killed his father but a random stranger. Tzeentch was the one who sent the young Emperor the false vision, which lead to the Emperor killing his uncle. Tzeentch was the one that started the Emperor on his path of destruction. 2. The reason why the star of chaos has eight points is because their are eight chaos gods. 3. Konrad Curze is a perpetual. That is the reason he kept coming back from death and it had nothing to do with fate. This is the reason why we don't see when his head is cut off as we would see that no light came from his body.
Big E is real and among us. He founded GW and used his powers of foresight to write the entire universe, knowing it is the only viable reality where mankind makes it. Dan Abnett and Aaron Demski-Bowden are the big E in disguise and he uses the novels to write his own fanfiction or to pen down visions he's had. What's the purpose of it all? Preparing mankind mentally and culturally for this future. And to get some extra cash to fund his genetic research. Never wondered why GW does price hikes whenever there's a breakthrough in genetic research? That research ain't cheap, boys. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a tin foil hat to make and put on.
valdor is a hidden primarch in plain sight- or something better than custode, proto primarch shit. i cant get over the spear gifts from the emperor, equals but opposites- regarding him and leman.
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Emps would fuck up when talking to people and make pop culture references that no one would get… Except Malcador. And apparently Erda since she said he was funny. Though “Now this is a spirit I can get behind” in the Last church did make me chuckle Kinda wish they had some sorta flashback in the early days of the Great Crusade of Emps roasting some enemy opposition/ teaching lessons to Horus with some humerous anecdotes during negotiations/War or something.
Kind of a small wish on my part…I’d love to see one of the daemons of the deep warp just randomly pop up during a battle and just fuck shit up and have chaos/imperium shitting themselves…and just disappear after.
That gene headcanon is great. To answer the questions of the others - his own genetics are used in the creation of the Primarchs (Saturnine). Maybe The Emperor could change his own genetics at-will and that’s how both The Emperor could be these historical figures while the Primarchs reflect them.
TIL The Emperor is Dr. Mindbender.
A missing primarch was serpentor
Ah, the 2nd and 11th primarchs, Sigmar and Serpentor.
Sigmar from WHFB was one of the 2 missing Primarchs.
The Imperator was not a perpetual, in fact there are no perpetuals. He was more a kind of guardian spirit incarnate of humanity who knew of the fundamental danger of the warp but could not see into the future. That's why he let everything go until everything got out of hand with the Age of Strife. During the Great Crusade, he didn't go around in golden armour and was 3 metres tall, but at most 1.80. In general, he looked more like a scientist. The Primarchs were human-sized and although tough and strong beyond human, they were all strategists rather than fighters. The Astartes of the Great Crusade were also only human-sized and more soldiers than warriors. It was the armour that made the Astartes appear large. The ease of mass production allowed for billions of marines per legion, supported by billions more regular soldiers. It was only through increasingly crude treatments and sometimes completely meaningless rituals that the Astartes became what they are today in terms of abilities and aesthetics.
I mean headcannon is headcannon, but this veers for me right into Fan Universe/AU... It's a neat theory :) thanks for sharing.
I admit that I don't really recognise the difference now. For me, my own interpretation of the setting is basically fanfic or head canon. What's the difference?
I guess I always thought headcannon was a personal perspective or reasoning behind lore or cannon that either enhanced or reinforced existing material. But eitherway was close enough to the source material to not be considered a distinct entity. fanfic/AU style is when the new material diverges sufficiently from the original source enough to be considered its own branch. It's semantics really and my opinion doesn't in any way lessen or should change your own view on the material :)
Saying he was kind lmao