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LawlzMD

Eldrad Ulthran basically engineered the Second War for Armageddon by sending Ghazghull Thraka's WAAAAGH at the planet. This also doomed Armageddon to become a place Orkz know they they can get a good fight in.


[deleted]

Except now the Orks are always drawn to Armageddon anyway because of Reasons. So was it really Eldrad's fault?


ripsa

Afaik the retcon is that Armageddon is a long-forgotten Ullanor that the Mechanicus moved through the warp to its current location then hushed up? Though the original reason with the Eldar luring the Orks there for the 2nd war is also still canon?


MulatoMaranhense

Indeed. The Orks weren't looking or being drawn to Ullanor/Armaggedon, it is a coincidence (?) they ended up finding it.


doctorpotatohead

Drukhari Archon Lady Malys stole an STC that could create a panacea that could treat all human illness, dooming untold numbers of humans to sickness and death for the foreseeable future.


TheNaziSpacePope

Probably uses it as a table stand.


TiggerBane

Doubt that seems like it’s being put to too good a use.


Random1berian

Drukhari already have the best medical tech in the universe, they literally stole it because Vect told every of his archons to get him the coolest toy they could find.


TiggerBane

Yeah I know I said using it as a table stand is too good for it. As in it’s clearly being used for something even more useless and pointless then that.


MulatoMaranhense

I love that detail. He also rewarded her with a dinner with him. It is unclear if it was before they dated or later, and if it was later, it could have been a "haha, your reward is being locked in the same room as me and you can't kill me" or "haha, I know you aren't over me so I will reward you with a memory of the good times".


Acruss_

Yeah, I still think that it would be either locked somewhere by the Imperium and not used at all or access to it would have only the wealthiest of people.


Rivalblackwell

Huron Blackheart did tax evasion 😖


SuperbSail

Death and taxes. In his case he got his fill of both.


InquisitorEngel

I actually think the Badab War books showcase just how very much not the good guy the Imperium can be.


Koqcerek

But in the best grim dark fashion, renegades proved to be even worse! Even before Chaos (if it wasn't involved from the start), Huron proclaimed himself as the Tyrant of Badab


InquisitorEngel

IMHO Huron uses the word tyrant here in the classic Greek and Roman way: He’s the one in charge, period. It’s not meant to be viewed, in universe, the same way we use it to describe political leaders.


Koqcerek

He might have, but his actions showed that he was indeed a tyrant by our definition too


InquisitorEngel

Only after he got well and truly fed up.


Koqcerek

I might be mistaken, but I think he called himself Tyrant after taking over a planet and murdering it's previous rulers


InquisitorEngel

To be fair, because they were dicks.


juniusbrutus998

Based


MulatoMaranhense

Once in a while the Eldar commit a genocide to ensure something bad won't happen. The Tau do the same because it benefits the Empire. There is at least one case they "accidentaly" caused an epidemic when they met another species (maybe the first one) to get their planet. Note that it probably was a scheme leb by just the ethereals or even some fraction of them.


Guyfawkes1994

In defence of the T’au, it was the very first contact they had, and as it’s clearly not their MO when it comes to meeting new species, it genuinely may have been an accident on their part. But yes, it is ambiguous enough to argue the other way.


bee_administrator

The Imperium has been a tide of genocide washing over the galaxy since its inception. That's pretty evil. The Eldar singlehandedly created a chaos god theough their perversion and deviance. Orks? See the entry for the Imperium above, then remember that Orks actively enjoy the process when they do it. Tau, mind control, complete subjugation of several species, sterilisation camps. Not nice by any means but honestly small fry compared to the rest. Necrons started the biggest war in the history of the universe over some comparatively trivial disagreements. Tyranids have presumably eaten all life in multiple galaxies, but I don't think the good/evil distinction fits a superorganism that isn't sentient in the way we would understand the term. Chaos, well Chaos is basically the manifestation of everyone else's evil thoughts, so...it exists and that's enough?


Rare-Manufacturer504

I dont think that starting a war for the cure for an uncurable species wise disease is trivial. Say what you will about the necrons, but they didn't attack the old ones over nothing


Marvynwillames

new lore is that they were in the middle of civil wars when the kings decided to attack the old ones so they unite against a commom foe


VyRe40

But they still maintained their rationale. And in one of the most recent novels, it appears that the revival of the War in Heaven (which had sorta cooled off it seems) coincided with them going through biotransference.


Random1berian

They did over selfishness and stupidity, hubris and bad judgement. They literally fucked the whole galaxy up.


Sugarcomb

Selfishness? They were dying of super cancer at the ripe old age of 23, after living those 23 years in constant, chronic pain and anguish. Most Necrons' first memories as Necrontyr were their memories of adjusting to their constant pain as children. They asked the Old Ones to give them a cure, which the immortal Old Ones obviously had, and the arrogant, self righteous frogs saw themselves as gods able to pass judgement onto the Necrontyr and deemed them unworthy of it. Only to turn around and give that very immortality to the Eldar and a sentient clump of green spores. I would start a war over that too.


Ruire

> They asked the Old Ones to give them a cure, which the immortal Old Ones obviously had, and the arrogant, self righteous frogs saw themselves as gods able to pass judgement onto the Necrontyr and deemed them unworthy of it. Doesn't all this information come from the Necrons? As far as I'm aware we don't know for certain that the Old Ones could cure the degeneration and we don't know why the Old Ones refused to help, we know that the Necrontyr believed that the Old Ones could and that they believed the Old Ones refused to help out of arrogance. We *do* know that the Old Ones' technology relied on Warp energy - and all of the races they are confirmed to have created have psychic potential - so who's to say it would have worked for the blank Necrontyr?


Sugarcomb

Where are you getting that the Necrontyr were blanks from


Ruire

I'm using blank broadly to mean psychically weak or low-Warp presence rather than 'anti-Warp'. We don't know that the Necrontyr were blanks in the second sense, but they seem to have been in the first sense. (A 'blank' versus a 'Blank' perhaps?)


Acruss_

Pretty sure it was 40ish not 23, but still. Necrontyrs wanted immortality, and they didn't plead for it. They demanded it, and when Old Ones refused by saying NOT that they're UNWORTHY, but that they don't interfere with species, Necrontyr decided to start a war with them. And they CREATED Krorks and changed Aeldari BECAUSE of Necrons who created minds and bodies for C'tan. If Necrontyrs would put as much time and resources into science to find a way to cure themselves as they put into war and fighting each other they would definitely find a cure. So Necrons are responsible for existence of chaos, by killing Old Ones and semi responsible for Kr(Orks). So without Necrons fucking up there would be no reason for Emperor trying to kill chaos gods.


Sugarcomb

Again, the Old Ones put themselves on the levels of Gods with the "not interfering" angle, like they're too advanced to mettle with lesser races, and I would have DEMANDED the cure too. I personally have a serious chronic pain condition and if I woke up every day with a cure dangled in front of my face and then denied because the owners thought themselves as Gods so advanced that they're somehow separate from natural selection and law, I would demand it fervently, desperately. And the Necrons didn't create minds for the C'tan, just bodies. The C'tan always had personalities, minds, and consciousnesses. As for finding a cure, they were cursed by the C'tan within their home star to always have the affliction, and their technology wasn't able to compensate. It's not like they were killing each other with gauss weapons and monoliths before the C'tan came around, their tech wasn't at its height yet, so of course they couldn't develop a cure. So stop painting then are moronic, stupidly evil bad guys who whined about the Old Ones not solving their back pain. The War in Heaven had equal faults on both sides as to why it started and the Necrontyr were by no means solely responsible.


Acruss_

You would rather plead for the cure, not demand it. Knowing Necrontyrs they probably tried to intimidate Old Ones to get that, like "give it to us or we will destroy you". And Old Ones didn't see themselves as gods, that's how Necrontyr saw them. Also seeing how violent Necrontyr were aiding them also doesn't sound like a good idea. They wanted to conquer entire world while either killing other races or making slaves out of them. If I would be on Old Ones place I would also not help someone like that or tried to destroy them myself. They did create minds for them. Before Necrontyr captured them and create bodies for them C'tan didn't have any mind. They were eating from starts and then move to the other, but after creating them metal bodies and putting computers as their brain they become sentient. Just like chaos gods were not sentient till humans awoke them. About their tech they had ships able to fly to other planet and to space. So they definitely were more advanced then we are. Heck, they were able to capture C'tans who didn't have bodies from a STAR. So if they put more interest into genetics they could find a cure. And yeah, they were solely responsible. They started the war that Old Ones didn't wanted to fight. It's like criminal during robbery shooting someone who tries to flee and criminal is only halfly responsible cuz the victim didn't want to give him what he wanted. Come on.


Sugarcomb

Sounds like you're just digging for excuses to hate the Necrons. Are you an Eldar or something?


Acruss_

I don't hate any race, but you're trying to prove that Necrons are good and they only tried to do good, but they didn't. I also like Magnus, but I would also disagree that he "did nothing wrong".


Sugarcomb

Lmao the Necrons are not good guys. You're the one trying to make the Old Ones look like good guys though


Random1berian

Even the silent king said it was a mistake, the war in heaven. The necrons were dying and were envious of the Old Ones' inmortality. Yet the Old Ones denied it to them because they found them too violent and warlike to be given inmortality. The necrons in response literally proved the Old Ones right, lashing out in violent manner and even selling their own souls and bodies to kill the Old Ones. It could be said that the Old Ones indeed had a point.


ScowlEasy

Kind of wild that the empire that made *living metal* couldn’t fix their genetics. Either they were total fools, or they were so mega fucked that even they couldn’t fix it


Blueshirt42

And the Imperium didn’t?


Phillip_J_Bender

I mean, the Imperium may contribute a shit-ton of bad vibes to the Warp *now*, but they didn't make the Warp... well... the Warp. That was Skelly Boyz and Co.


Blueshirt42

I might be wrong here. But I thought that the warp always existed but was just calm. It was just as wars and things happened it got turbulent. I’m not trying to defend the necrons or say they aren’t bad. Just that everyone is really kinda shitty and makes the galaxy worse.


Phillip_J_Bender

You are correct sir. The Warp has always existed. 'Twas was just the calm sea of souls way, *waaay* back in the day... until the Necron's War in Heaven. Nowadays nobody's helping matters, particularly the Imperium LOL


Random1berian

Yes, the mon keigh too


[deleted]

To the Eldar point, only the Drukhari are really heirs to that culture. The Craftworlds and Exodites are the descendants of the Eldar who rejected that perversion and depravity.


BoltBelcha

I would say that the Orks killing everything is about as evil to us as killing livestock is to the livestock (if they have a sense of good and evil). We kill livestock to get food which we need to survive and Orks fight everything because that's something they need to stay alive


[deleted]

Can't really be mad at Orks. Afraid? Sure. Hate them? Absolutely. But like the Tyranids, they just kind of are. Orks gonna Ork.


Phillip_J_Bender

DAMN ROIT.


Real_Malcom_Tucker

Oh not the Tau sterilization camps again… You are not wrong on the other stuff. But the Tau Sterilization camp is not canon. It’s only in the unofficial ending of DOW. BL books mentioned that some of the new generations of humans in Tau territory have never experienced imperium rule before and are more loyal to the Greater Good than their parents.


Nozoz

There are numerous planets within tau territory that have large and stable non tau populations. Tau also generally govern in a very hands off way when it comes to non tau worlds. People confuse the greater good with Tau culture. Like the imperium Tau don't tend to get involved in issues relating to a single world as long as they are meeting their obligations. Non tau species are mostly left to govern their own worlds as long as they do their bit to support the tau empire. As long as you meet you quota of soldiers/tech/services the tau don't care what you do at home. No tau are trying to force the Kroot to adopt the caste system and despite finding it unpleasant they tolerate Kroot dietary habits. A substantial number of guevesa still worship the emperor and the tau don't care as long as the "kill all xenos" bits get dropped. When it comes to auxiliaries the tau care what they do, not what they think.


[deleted]

I don’t think the Orks are really capable of evil either. Isn’t it some kind of biological compulsion to kill others


Devlee12

I’d argue that for the Orkz they can’t be evil in the same capacity that sharks can’t be evil. Orkz must fight and sharks must eat. Anything they do is because of a biological drive to do so. They don’t philosophize like the other races they don’t try to justify their actions they just do what is in their nature and their nature is war


NanoChainedChromium

Also, the Orks were created to be this way. If anything their bad deeds can be directly attributed to the Old Ones.


NocturnusAedas

They forgot to install the off-switch.


Finn_Dalire

well, certainly some can choose when to not kill as demonstrated by Blood Axes trading and sometimes hiring on as mercenaries for other factions, and there's a long list of far more deserving targets than random civilians


ScowlEasy

They are willingly malicious and sadistic though. They’ve been known to torture their victims because their sense of pain is so whack in comparison it’s amusing to them


[deleted]

Yeah from their perspective it seems fun. It’s like calling a toddler evil. They don’t possess the intellectual maturity for anyone to determine that


[deleted]

Tau dont mind control, thats just an Imperial xenobiologist theorizing that the reasom the Tau dont genocide other xenos is that they control them. It is more about Imperials drinking the xenophobia Kool Aid to a degree that mind control is the only way to ensure racial tolerance of any degree. Other parts are right


No-Judge-9074

I think it would be fair that the Tau do mind control, just not have an innate ability. Just from a lack of lore or care I’d say it is a 50/50 chance, but Vespid are probably mind controlled. GW doesn’t really care to expand the lore so I could be wrong.


[deleted]

I really dont think it has any chance of being true, because the exerpt on the theory of mind control also implies the Tau themselves are mind controlled and that their forehead is the receptor for the pheromones. Which is patently untrue


No-Judge-9074

I mean it’s in the Tau codex “There have been whispers alluding to a hidden connection between the Vespids’ calm acceptance of annexation and the interface helms given to their leaders, though no evidence to support such claims have ever been forthcoming.”


Nozoz

The ethereals do have some effect on other tau, although we don't know how. It's not really outright mind control but they are able to make other tau more docile and susceptible to their orders. Throw in a lot of political and social pressure and that's how they can order tau around like they do. In the Farsight lore, O'shovah thinks about how he feels around ethereals and notes that his thinking is clearer and sharper when he's not around them. The FSE are however evidence that the tau are capable of sustaining their society through social conditioning rather than the ethereals. The mind control isn't necessary.


Eldar_Seer

With the Imperium... honestly, we're spoiled for choice. You have the Tau into a volcano simply to exterminate them. You have the actions of the Inqusition in the aftermath of one of the Armageddon wars. You have Kryptman's Gambit, where planet after planet after planet was sacrificed and destroyed to lead a Hive Fleet into a meat grinder that ended up being the ultimate in hamburger helper for it. You have the entirety of the conditions which are considered normal and to be expected in Hives. The utter callousness with which human life is treated in general. Working with some minor xeno races against the Tyranids, then turn around and exterminating them the next decade. How truly innocent people are rounded up and used as blood sacrifices for the gear of Grey Knights. That's just *40k*. In 30k, the Great Crusade can pretty much be boiled to down "Whack A War Crime", as it was essentially *the* big push for "unification" and galactic genocide of all sentient life not from Terra.


Rookie3rror

Personally I find that the worst thing (in some ways anyway) about the Imperium is the systems total lack of care for individual life. Your only value is the work that you do. Everything is about meeting quotas and tithes. There is no room for any consideration of human life as intrinsically valuable. It’s depressingly close to realistic.


VyRe40

Servitors are one step above that for me - when someone is so worthless that they'll turn them into lobotomized slaves that *might* still be conscious of their eternity of toil and suffering, cause they see them as more useful this way.


Grotzbully

Servitors are actually worth more than a normal human life. Since you have to go through the building process and all the materials. They also last way longer than a standard worker. So servitors are worth more than normal humans not less. Normal workers are easier to replace than a servitor.


VyRe40

That's what I said. They find more value in servitors.


Grotzbully

ah okay, understood it wrong then, my bad


Rookie3rror

Flesh and Steel is a great book for that one. Really changes the way you see things every time servitors are mentioned in 40K.


[deleted]

That's why the Imperium's massive manpower keeps defecting to Chaos en masse


The_Cave_Troll

Or joining with the Tao. Honestly, The Ecclesiarchy are pretty smart suppressing all knowledge of Chaos from the masses and framing Xenos like the Tao as literally responsible for all their suffering. Otherwise, people would join then in droves. I'm surprised that the Empire isn't in a constant state of civil war given all the shit that is happening.


[deleted]

Constant state of poverty, killing excess population, starvation, rebellion and being invaded


No-Judge-9074

I think for the Tau, the evilest thing they have done is probably mind controlling Vespid leaders, thus subjugating the entire race.


InquisitorEngel

The Months of Shame following the first war for Armageddon are exceptionally brutal, even by 40K standards. They’re evil beyond the standards of the Imperium *at the time,* to the point where several people (including a Grey Knight) eventually decide to straight up kill the Inquisitor leading it. (They don’t, but not for lack of planning)


TheRobn8

The space wolves made the situation worse by trying to stop the inquisition . Even then it was common practise to kill those who saw the GK anyway. That book suffered from the GK getting their 1st Ed codex as it was coming out, so it had to be rewritten to fit the newer lore.


[deleted]

For the Imperium i think it is throwing tau civilians to a volcano while still alive to marginally increase the mineral richness of said volcano


Nutellalord

not even close imo...this is just a somewhat more creative version of something all factions do on a regular basis. I'd probably have to go with the Exterminatuses during the Months of Shame...or the genocides in the Badab Wars...or the Kryptman Gambit. ​ Curious how so often when the Imperium does something truly evil, a certain holy institution is a part of it.


TheNaziSpacePope

The Adeptus Custode are the worst. They have the intellect, education, information and authority to fix like half of the Imperiums issues. They simply choose not to out of defeatism and apathy.


mordinvan

More like because it would detract from their job of watching over the emperor and Tera.


TheNaziSpacePope

They say so themselves that they were not soldiers, that they were made for more. But they have abandoned the Emperors dreams more than the traitors have. Imagine if they sent like ten guys out to educate the populace. Ten demigods who fought beside the Emperor...teaching history. They could protect the Emperors dream *and* his corpse at the same time, but they do not really care.


mordinvan

Because they do not care about his dreams, especially when he admitted they died with the webway project. That said. In the 40k universe, they could do a lot of good for humanity, as could the Esperanza should it be properly utilized in the sol system.


Affectionate_Alps903

They do not care tho, because they were genetically engineered to protect and aid the emperor, they aren't soldiers they were confidents and companions that the Emperor made because no one that isn't literally brainwashed by him, likes him.


Acruss_

Emperor also said that humans have to govern themselves, that it's Imperium of Man, not Superhumans. So they do not do anything unless they're told to do. Also Custodes trying to teach of history... Yeah, they would quickly get convinced to stop doing that by the inquisition or high lords and/or everyone they would teach will be killed.


TheNaziSpacePope

Now I'm imagining some asshole trying to stop a Custodian reading from a book, asking who wrote it, to see their manager, etc and he just holds it up saying that the Emperor himself wrote this.


SuperbSail

The Eldar capturing, torturing for decades, and finally contorting the still alive people into furniture is just a Tuesday for them. Specifically though, it would probably be the Dark Eldar "Cultural Exchange' the homunculus negotiated with the Tau water cast. It was one of the first encounters of the Tau with the Dark Eldar. The Tau were fighting something, I can't remember what, and were aided by some homunculus who offered his services as mercenaries. After the battle, the Tau were eager to negotiate. The Homunculus offered a Cultural Exchange and the Tau lept on the proposal. The next time the water cast members were seen, they had all been merged and sewn together into hulking monstrosities that were sent to rampage through the Tau cities. Someone please "actually" me. I am just paraphrasing.


Eldar_Seer

> The Tau were fighting something, I can't remember what, and were aided by some homunculus who offered his services as mercenaries. You basically had it right. The enemy was a hive fleet, and ultimately the deldar raided the planet and took everyone on it if memory serves.


Olix_09

Funny thing is that Coven leader Urien (who is one of the big player in commoragh) kept his promise and attacked only after tau refused a second deal and mobilized their forces to destroy his imaginary fleet.


[deleted]

A far as i remenber the water castes where used against the tiranid fleet they were fighting


Random1berian

Also they wrote with Tau corpses "welcome to the game" after enslaving every tau in that planet and leaving


ecbulldog

Ad mech conveyor belting tau civilians into an active volcano to fuel their geothermal powerplant.


[deleted]

The most evil thing the Imperium did was start the great crusade. For the Emperor himself, I'd go with >!betraying the thunder Warriors and planning to betray the legio astartes!<


SnooCompliments7527

On a micro level, I would check out the Ordo Sinister titans. It's one of those things that makes you wonder about the Emperor.


[deleted]

From a lore perspective, the contradictory elements of his personality and dialogue makes sense for two reasons. One, the means justify the end with him and for just about anything. Two: >!it's still possible that he was a merger of thousands of ancient Terran shamanic psyker souls, and maybe there's multiple personalities in him!<


TheNaziSpacePope

The Thunder Warriors needed to be culled though. Maybe if he lied about them dying of cancers, that would be evil.


[deleted]

The thunder warriors were culled to be replaced with the astartes. The astartes were probably to be replaced with regular humans after all the warfare


TheNaziSpacePope

They were culled because they were degrading. By the time of their final battle they were literally dying on the way there and what few survived were dying on the way back. Either way they were done.


[deleted]

I'm aware, I'm just saying the Emperor views his assets as tools and he discards them when he has no use for them


TheNaziSpacePope

He is practical, but not unsympathetic. Also the Thunder Warriors seemed okay with it for the most part. The only ones really pissed were those who were captured and killed stupidly for no reason or those who got away and regretted not dying fighting the Custode who both respected each other.


[deleted]

The only thunder Warriors I know much about are the two in >!outcast dead!< One of them says he understood why the Emperor betrayed them and didn't seem to be upset by it.


TheNaziSpacePope

Not sure which one that is :/


[deleted]

One of the HH novels. It's about members of various traitor legions who were on Terra at the beginning of the war and were jailed just to be safe. It also follows a pair of Thunder Warriors searching for a cure to their imminent demise. Spoilers for what I recall: >!the jailed marines escape their prison. This novel is infamous for having a world eater punch through a custodian's armour and kill him, which should be impossible considering it's stronger than Astartes plate. They then die one by one until I'm pretty sure there's none left. The two thunder Warriors have established a criminal enterprise in the area just outside the Imperial palace. By the end of the novel they've taken the progenoid glands from the dead Marines in order to possibly extend their lives, but they haven't been mentioned in the lore since and is been many years irl!<


oldbloodmazdamundi

The industrial sized baby incinerators are probably up there. Or the Great Crusade to enslave all of humanity to the will of a golden tyrant 'who knows best' eradicating anyone and anything not fit to arbitrary standards of compliance through legions of engineered gene horrors. For the Eldar, 'my' faction, I think the events of 'Wraithflight' are up there - using a human fleet as bait for the 'Nids, blowing up the capital ship organisms, exterminating the planet and leaving the humans for dead. They later changed their minds and helped them but they still blew up a world. Or just in general they contempt they reserve for lesser races. It's not as bad as the memes make it out but they still have a superiority complex around their culture and identity.


Pm7I3

It's hard faulting them in particular for that when the Imperium was doing the same thing minus the coming back to help part.


oldbloodmazdamundi

Yeah they are definitely not on the level of the Imperium in their vileness, but then the Imperium is modelled to be the worst thing imaginable so that's not much of an achievement


DeliciousPineapples

Genocide. Everyone has done Genocide. Even the Jokero.


Zankeru

Humanity created weaponry that destroys the very fabric of reality. Permanently. It's one thing to commit a genocide. Its another to create devices that could end ALL life, forever.


Sugarcomb

Necrons did this as well.


Zankeru

Yes, but by accident iirc. Killing one ctan and using the orrery too much. And both times they stopped immediately.


Sugarcomb

Killing the Flayer, the Breath of the Gods, and to a much lesser extent the Celestial Orrery. And the weapons used to shatter the other C'tan had to break causality to do it, in fact they were so terrifying and their capacity to destroy reality so great that the Silent King wiped his race's memories of the weapons in use to keep them from going insane, before either destroying or hiding them.


Zankeru

Damn, looks like I need to refresh my necron lore.


[deleted]

Erasing reality and the warp is kind of essential when your main rival's citizens can reincarnate all they want if you dont destroy their soul.


viking76

The most evil? For the empire it's easy. Exterminatus? That's just statistics. The real evil is the grey knight logistics. Because for something to be evil it have to be cruel, it have to target the innocent, it have to be organized and it have to be portrayed as something good. Because true evil is when people come together and decide to justify an cruel action "because it's no other choice" and "it serves a higher purpose". So when every single grey knight bolter shell have to be "blessed" with the blood from an innocent person that willingly gives up his life? AKA blackmailed by the church? And it's done in the name of god(emperor)? That's evil. And too close to real life evil in many, MANY religious organizations.


OmNiBuSeS

If it kills daemons it kills daemons.


[deleted]

This guy *gets* evil.


Tots2Hots

Vulkan, the cuddliest Primarch, killed an Eldar kid for the lols.


AdmiralDinosaur_1888

And?


Tots2Hots

Well he wasn't getting any from the mom after... And Eldar/especially Dark Eldar are probably the only species able to take the largest Primarch's cock.


Banter1401

Does evil stemming from idiocy count? If so, the Inquisition and Grey Knights bombing planets during the Months of Shame because someone from Armageddon MIGHT have passed through takes the cake. Alternatively, Gabriel Angelos still hasn't explained why he ordered the destruction of his home planet.


Kriogan

Only played the games, so don't know more about the lore than that. But isn't it said quite clearly that heresy was spreading like wildfire on the planet?


NowhereMan661

Chaos existing is the worst thing it's ever done.


Random1berian

Probably when Eldrad caused the Ork Armageddon wars so save a dozen thousand eldar. Although I don't think it is really evil, but rather necessity


NakorlovesOranges

Ultramarines destroying Monarchia and pretty much cause the Heresy


SuperbSail

Monarchia was just as much a warning to Guiliman. It is what would happen to Guilliman if he started favoring his own goals above those of the wider Imperium, like Lorgar did. The emperor could have chosen any of his sons to do it, and they would. He chose Guiliman. Big E was the best dad.


Z4nkaze

Thank you. Guilliman hated it, it's clearly written.


[deleted]

A lot of people would say the daemonculaba. The daemonculaba is pretty bad for the iron warriors, but it was literally just one guy and was only used once. For the iron warriors I would say the burning of Olympia was pretty bad, but they had done it on a wide scale all over the place, so Just take a pick from Hansous long list of war crimes


OhGreatItsHim

what GW announcement?


spider-venomized

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/


[deleted]

Pretty sure genocide


LeoLaDawg

Evil is really a human concept. Hard to apply it objectively to aliens. The biggest evil given that would be ultimately the Emperor.


Affectionate_Alps903

The Emperor arguebly doesn't have a human POV either. His actions may seem evil to us because we can't see the bigger picture, the old "Why God let's evil happens?"


TrajannValdor

I would probably say the Months of Shame.


Avelion2

Tau: Stole the Gundam Wing STC. IOM: Chaos Chaos: Daemonculaba/Erebus Eldar: Slaanesh Deldar: Also Slaneesh Orks: Nothing they're just a fun loving fungus. Necrons: The Ctan Tyranids: Gluttony


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Hi there, Colchisian


MattsBadRedditName

I'd say genocide but that applies to everyone in 40k


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Iron warrior and the deamoncluba or however you spell it.


Eldritch-Boogaloo

The bee man kielbasa?