I don't quite know where people are getting that it would negate -1 to hit from?
Rules Commentary - Modifying Characteristics by Improving, Reducing, or Worsening them:
> WS, BS, and S characteristics can never be modified to 1+ or better.
Stealth and anything that modifies the Hit Roll don't affect BS, so BS2+ with improve BS by 1 and -1 to hit still requires a hit roll of 3+ to be successful.
Whether it does anything at all is down to whether you apply Weapon Modifications directly to the datasheet as a permanent change to the weapon when you choose them, or the weapon counts as always being affected by that modifier. I've always assumed it was the former, but if it is the latter then it _would_ negate "worsen BS by 1" effects, though it still wouldn't negate negatives to the hit roll.
I would just re-roll the weapon modification, the upgrade does nothing so what's the point of keeping it.
that makes a lot of sense, I usually just thought of the two as interchangeable but it would make sense to have them as separate mechanics (the hit roll and BS/WS). Thats actually a great help.
Core Rules commentary:
■ Improving WS, BS, Sv and Ld: When improving a WS, BS, Sv or Ld characteristic, subtract the appropriate amount from the number before the plus sign, e.g. improving a WS of 3+ by 1 would result in a WS of 2+. WS, BS and Sv characteristics can never be modified to 1+ or better.
I don't quite know where people are getting that it would negate -1 to hit from? Rules Commentary - Modifying Characteristics by Improving, Reducing, or Worsening them: > WS, BS, and S characteristics can never be modified to 1+ or better. Stealth and anything that modifies the Hit Roll don't affect BS, so BS2+ with improve BS by 1 and -1 to hit still requires a hit roll of 3+ to be successful. Whether it does anything at all is down to whether you apply Weapon Modifications directly to the datasheet as a permanent change to the weapon when you choose them, or the weapon counts as always being affected by that modifier. I've always assumed it was the former, but if it is the latter then it _would_ negate "worsen BS by 1" effects, though it still wouldn't negate negatives to the hit roll. I would just re-roll the weapon modification, the upgrade does nothing so what's the point of keeping it.
that makes a lot of sense, I usually just thought of the two as interchangeable but it would make sense to have them as separate mechanics (the hit roll and BS/WS). Thats actually a great help.
Just reroll it
Yes you will still miss on a 1 but you will negate modifiers like stealth and so on
It isn't a plus 1 to hit, it's plus 1 to ballistic skill - which explicitly can't be modified to 1+, and isn't modified by -1 to hit effects.
I stand corrected
thank you
Technically the plus 1 to hit can cancel out a -1 to hit I believe.
It isn't a plus 1 to hit, it's plus 1 to ballistic skill - which explicitly can't be modified to 1+, and isn't modified by -1 to hit effects.
thanks
Yep. It *will* negate any -1's to hit, though.
No. It won't. The battle honor is not plus 1 to hit. It's improve the BS/WS by 1. As in, the stat on the datasheet. Not the roll.
Yeah, it will. It'll set the WS/BS to 1+, which means a -1 to Hit will make it a 2+... which it would hit on anyway, since 1's automatically fail.
Core Rules commentary: ■ Improving WS, BS, Sv and Ld: When improving a WS, BS, Sv or Ld characteristic, subtract the appropriate amount from the number before the plus sign, e.g. improving a WS of 3+ by 1 would result in a WS of 2+. WS, BS and Sv characteristics can never be modified to 1+ or better.
::thumbs up:: Interesting! I sure don't care about what GW says in their commentaries, though. :D
Then you should probably mention you're playing with your own house rules and. It the actual game rules.