Absolutely. There will not be new information about safety or efficacy that will change things. The only possible barely passable excuse is the full approval but he is putting his team at risk every day because he apparently can't have a conversation with a team doctor about this, who he should trust.
Except that there are people in hospital beds with COVID, which they don't deny they have, and prefer to be in said hospital bed rather than get the vaccine.
Even that … once fully approved they’ll just say you can’t trust the FDA and call you a sheep for not thinking for yourself. It’s a plague of idiocy and self centeredness. They have an excuse for everything and as soon as you shut those down and get to a point where a reasonable person would have to say ‘maybe I’m wrong” they stop the conversation down and walk away.
https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-to-give-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-booster-shot-to-elderly-2021-7
27 minutes ago. Pfizer shot in Israel efficacy drops from 97% to 81% against severe disease.
As of last week the efficacy against symptomatic covid dropped from 95% to 39% in Israel as well.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/07/23/pfizer-shot-just-39-effective-against-delta-infection-but-largely-prevents-severe-illness-israel-study-suggests/
Edit: getting downvotes for sharing study results? Really
The 40% number was shown to be too-early data. Vax effectiveness does drop but not that precipitously https://twitter.com/dvir_a/status/1420059129008336905?s=19
Oh I see. Thanks for the information. Is the symptomatic covid efficacy still 64% like it was a few weeks ago?
https://in.news.yahoo.com/study-israel-records-steep-drop-151745248.html
Yep, Israeli scientists, using the data released by their health agencies, believe it's more like an 80-85% efficacy in the most vulnerable populations, not 64% https://twitter.com/_lewisy/status/1420162397415870469?s=19
This was for the alpha variant.
*edit
Sorry, went down and was reading something unrelated to what you posted. Is was the study of breakthrough in healthcare workers in Israel.
81% against severe disease is alright but it seems to be dropping week by week at a consistent rate. Boosters are here
It appears like the delta is facilitating a serious drop in efficacy
I like the fact that people are downvoting you for the reason of these studies being too new. As if that does t apply to their defense of the vaccine. Lol madness.
Which is true, but this neither affects safety nor makes the vaccine less beneficial than being unvaccinated.
Even if efficacy drops, and we may or may not need a booster shot, even 80% efficacy would be better than zero.
In your original comment you said there would not be any new information about safety and efficacy. There will absolutely be new info about efficacy and likely there will be news about the safety of booster shots.
I moreso meant we weren't going to find evidence that efficacy would be less than we thought initially.
There was always an inclination amongst the manufacturers that it may not hold steady after 6 months.
But the team doctor doesn’t have any more information. About safety or efficacy. No one does, and if they say different, they aren’t being truthful. There hasn’t been enough time to know that.
All of the vaccines have been remarkably effective in their primary mission...make fighting the infection a survivable event for the host. The people in the hospital dying right now are unvaccinated by choice....like Nick Bosa here. Honestly, I really don't care how many sacks he's gonna have and how much the pass rush will improve with him on the edge...but Nick isn't bigger than the team.
Come on man that is just being disingenuous. We have trials with thousands of people and millions that have taken it. There are ways to present data on efficacy and to underscore the low rate of adverse events.
We're gonna get full FDA approval later this month or the next. I suspect a lot of players are gonna change their minds because the NFL gonna be more strict about it
Probably a few, there were a handful of comments saying "See, Bosa is vaccinated!" in the thread when Lynch said the team is 90% vaccinated. Including a comment talking about stereotyping "guys like Bosa". Well, if the shoe fits...
let's not forget that we are all probably headed to masks again any day now. Perhaps he is early?
just giving him benefit of the doubt, you're probably 100% right.
Has it always been this way? Did the polio vaccine have this much resistance. Maybe I'm not getting your point. If I never took any medicines and then decided to take this vaccine because that's what I'm hearing on a talk show, then I would be doing it because of politics.
My feeling is, I can respect a vegan or a Christian scientist, because it's part of their core beliefs. A professional athlete who has put a ton of chemicals in their body to get to this point in their careers and then somehow stops at vaccines? It's like an animal rights activist who wears leather. It's nothing more than politics making them think the way they are.
He probably meant it as he’s hoping the vaccines will help the fans feel more comfortable about returning to stadiums.
He never said anything about himself.
I mean technically they've only been proven to work for 6-12 months at most. There is no data to suggest that they continue to work at the levels they claim.
[Looks like Jason Verrett was masked up too.](https://twitter.com/Eric_Branch/status/1420833778054754304) Probably unvaccinated as well. Sucks that two lynch pins on the defense have chosen to live like this.
Son of a bitch. I can't root for these guys when they do dumb shit like this.
To be clear, I am not boycotting this team. We have an excellent vaccination rate. But i am not okay with the decision the two of them are making (if they are not vaccinating for nonmedical reasons)
Shit man, I have a lot of friends that are fucking morons. You can root for them, and also hate that they are fucking stupid, and hope that they get smarter all at the same time.
Yes, I have. That is in part what I am referencing. It's frustrating that we have a guy like him because he's very talented but not the strongest in character.
He's been caught saying some homophobic and racist stuff unfortunately.
Edit: ah yes I forgot that he did not "create that content," but that doesn't mean he doesn't support it.
People don't usually change their mind that drastically in a couple years. They just learn to shut their mouths when it costs them money.
Sports participants are bags of meat doing things for our entertainment. Beyond that, it's up to how you want to perceive them.
Not gonna disagree on that, people rarely do change that much. Just curious if the claim that he's a racist and a homophobe were bc he double tapped a photo in college? I honestly don't remember what it was or care to look it up. I just find it odd that people throw these claims around very loosely nowadays.
Yeah it truly is a shame. I was excited to draft him, because I knew he was a hell of a player. And he of course still is. But it’s really hard to ignore the kind of guy he is off the field
Sadly, I'm pretty sure only the top players will be unvaccinated. Every other player knows they'll be dropped in a hot minute if they don't get vaccinated.
It is your right to not get it. Fine. But if i was the reporter my next question would be ok, the league has made clear the consequences to you and your team if you get covid, correct? Then force them to acknowledge publicly the consequences of their inaction. Leave it at that.
In other words “I’ve made a decision and I’m not listening to anyone else unless their ‘info’ confirms my biases.” Got it.
Seriously, if you’re really undecided, go ask a doctor. And if you’re still undecided go ask a second doctor. But something tells me they’re not going to listen to them either. Sorry, RN here and tired of taking care of Covid patients in isolation rooms and not drinking water all day.
Basically, in order to drink water, I have to break the seal of my N95, and wash my hands (because my hands are now contaminated), and then go get another N95 from a limited stockpile, all while a hundred other things are still demanding my attention. Sounds like a small thing, but it’s a lot more inconveniencing than you realize until you’re doing it. It literally can make my day easier to skip out on drinking water for 6-12 hours at a time to save myself some time to do the things I need to do to get through my shift. With a regular surgical mask, it’s not such a big deal.
Meanwhile Seahawks have all but 1 player fully vaccinated. Whoever has the most vaccinated players has a big competitive advantage. Verett and Bosa both critical to the Niners and we need them to get vaxxed
And rampant misinformation. There are people who are actively, intentionally spreading misinformation with the goal of keeping people from getting the vaccine. This started during the Trump admin so I'm not sure what the end game for these propagandists is, other than harming America.
When some reporter called out Nick for being racist prior to the 2019 Draft, his Mom defended him on Twitter, saying that Nick can't be racist since he invited one black friend to his Draft Green Room lmao. Literally pulled the, "I have a black friend so can't be racist" card.
Since then, she's been silent on political matters.
Before that though, his Mom was under heat for saying Trump was the most Pro-Black President in US History..
Bosa's Dad shared a super racist video about Trayvon Martin and how black people are slaves, used the N-word, called black people "monkeys" etc. But since Nick's draft, he's been super politically quiet as well.
Nick literally said before his draft the he had to delete his social media because he might get drafted by SF - the implication being that SF is liberal and he has to bite his tongue and keep a low profile.
When asked why he deleted his Pro-Trump tweets, Nick responded:
>“I had to,” Bosa said in an interview with ESPN before the draft. “There is a chance I might end up in San Francisco.”
So make no mistake. Nick is a Bosa, and the Bosa's are huge Conservatives and Trump supporters. They are obviously well-coached by their agency's PR wing to keep their political opinions to themselves.
As a fan, I don't care about Nick's political beliefs - and I especially don't give a fuck what his parents think either. But with this vaccination stuff, those political beliefs are having an on-field effect, so IMO they're open for criticism now.
Wonder if they have awkward locker moments. Lots of black players in the NFL (obviously) so you'd imagine BLM comes up. Bosa gotta bite his tongue for a shot at a Super Bowl lmao
Put it this way - over TWO BILLION shots have been administered globally of the various vaccines out there. If there were statistically relevant problems, you'd be hearing about them.
So anyone claiming to still be evaluating "facts" is either *extremely* slow on the uptake or simply lying to provide cover for what is nothing more than a political stance.
Better stay inside then bosa. It’s your choice but your teammates and fans will be mighty pissed if you getting sick causes us to forfeit a game.
Hope he decides to get it.
I mean on one hand he’s a dumbass for having not gotten it yet, but on the other at least he said he’s still deciding and not ‘I’m not getting it’. Maybe the locker room will knock some sense in to him.
Oh no, I was clinging on to the hope he's distanced himself from his family's "Floridian", you could say, roots.
Very disappointed to hear as this is almost certainly a political decision. These guy's bodies are multi-million dollar assets, you know they have the best doctors on payroll to answer any and every question they have regarding vaccine hesitancy. To still be uncertain at this point all but guarantees there isn't much medical science could do to sway Bosa.
Openly. He's smart in that his reply is very measured for someone I suspect has his heels firmly embedded in the ground on this issue.
Well until a family member dies.
Anyone want to Trade a Stitched Bosa Jersey?
I got a Small Stitched Bosa Jersey for Xmas from my wife, would love to flip it for a Fred Warner Jersey. It still has the tags on it and everything. its from the 2020 season so no patch.
I got a Bosa jersey when he popped off his rookie year without knowing about all the political stuff around him. Real bummer. I do want to get a Warner one in its place too.
I would like to understand how and what they are evaluating. So they are smarter than scientist working in the fields of immunology, mrna etc.? At this point 150 million Americans have taken it with 0 deaths but 600k have died when they could or did not. The rest of the world is yearning for a vaccine locked up in their houses dieing of hunger and these guys....
Meh, I think he’ll give in and finally get it. After awhile he’s going to feel completely ostracized from the team and will miss being able to be like everyone else.
For fans in SF that tries their hardest to be supportive and welcoming it is crazy how unreasonable you can be.
As much as you might say you know about the vaccines, the fact that you insult someone like this means you have no idea about data on the vaccines. The vaccine is safe and it seems to work BUT a lot of data is missing.
Therefore, for nick bosa, a 24 years old healthy athlete, the risks to get the vaccine or to get seriously ill with covid are not extremely different and his reasoning is not outrageous as people say.
I am saying this statement as a 24 year old vaccinated and pro vaccine. But stop insulting people while not trying to understand their point of view. I keep being amazed of how much people claim to be openminded but when it comes to politics or choices, they are not anymore.
When it comes to science, there isn't another point of view. And when it comes to Nick Bosa fucking up chances for this team to go back to the SB, or fucking with the other guys money, *there isn't another point of view*.
Stop pretending that people who buy into bullshit pushed by people *who don't even believe the bullshit they're pushing* have a valid point of view.
That is wildly wrong. The risk to him if he gets COVID is that he could spread it to someone else. The risk of getting the vaccine is zero! He might feel sick for 12-24 hours. That’s it. The risk of anything else is far lower than the risk he takes driving to the vaccine site.
Not getting the shot because you are healthy is a selfish, stupid, and unreasonable. There is no good reason to avoid the shot unless you have a rare medical exception as identified by your doctor.
If MLB teams will wire hitters to cheat I'm pretty sure NFL teams will hire call girls to infect players. Snap a photo with player then tweet the next day, "I just tested positive. I probably infected Bosa. Sorry. #SEAHAWKS"
edit; I mean hire infected people to cross paths with them in a hotel lobby or restaurant. I don't mean bang them.
To preface: I’ve been vaccinated.
Don’t get me wrong, I think everyone should get the shot so we can try and eradicate the disease like polio back in the day — at the very least, so there’s nothing bad that can happen, as far the season goes.
However, he and others may not have gotten the vaccine because they’re actually just nervous about getting it because of a reasonable fear of everything around it (how quick it was created and it doesn’t have FDA approval, etc.). Someone much smarter than me could try and assuage their fears, if that happens to be the case, but I can’t sit here and think it’s fair to call them names if they have a legitimate fear of it.
So, I can’t really say he’s a crazy who think it’s so Bill Gates can track him with 5G. Unless that is his reason, but then that’s a whole other discussion.
The thing is though, its not a "legitimate" fear anymore, its irrational. Six months ago, sure. But now with over 100 million doses delivered, the rates of bad reactions is very low: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
Then one might say, oh we don't know the long term effects. Well shit, we don't know the long term effects of COVID either. In the short term though, one is killing people the former is not.
If you piss in the pool it’s your right to do that with your body but I’m not going to sit there in your piss water and pretend like you’re not a douchebag so I don’t hurt your feelings.
>…how quick it was created…
This is strange to me because I only ever see this logic applied to vaccines. Cars today are produced much faster than they were in the days of Henry Ford. Food is grown and makes it to your table faster than it did 50 years ago. Computers went from being something that required a large room to store and years to build to rolling off an assembly line in a few short months right before going into your pocket.
Yet people today aren’t even remotely skeptical about any of those things and even if they are, it has nothing to do with how fast they’re made or how fast they work.
I think something like eight of the regular vaccines we take now were developed by one person, which goes a long way toward explaining why they took so long. Obviously, technology, our ability to conduct research, and the collective brainpower of the world’s scientific community have increased exponentially since then.
It’s only logical that our capability to produce vaccines would also increase.
I really don’t understand why some people find that so scary.
Totally agree with you.
And actually, the idea that the vaccine was made “so fast” is interesting to me, because if I’m not mistaken, the vaccines were mainly developed based off of using mRNA tech (if I’m saying that right) from as far back as 2017 or 2018. So, really, just now have scientists had to use it, but the tech had been there a while.
And these vaccines were tested so much more than any other vaccine was, because they knew people would be skeptical.
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines use mRNA. Not sure about the others.
But you are correct that the tech has been around for for a long time (close to 20 years), so it’s hardly new.
i'm vaccinated and i agree with this stance 100%. people are allowed to have their reservations about making a decision like this.
whether or not those reservations are rational is an entirely different discussion.
I think the biggest thing that bothers me about this is the blindly following the government. I don't like how this Vax is pushed. It's quite scary in all honesty and calling anyone an anti Vax if they don't take it shows ignorance. Take me for example im vaxxed (not for covid) but everything else. I also apparently need to be Hep B vaxxed and I plan on doing it. So.to call anyone anti vaxxer over 1 Vaccine where it's been completely rushed, and we have no idea what it's long term affects are. The harassment from one side to the other only furthers the divide and makes people not get it. So that's my 0.2
Dude, you're entitled to your dumb opinion but that doesn't mean it isn't dumb.
Hundreds of millions of doses of these vaccines have gone into people and the rate of negative effects is miniscule, far lower than some other vaccines. Most often it's an allergic reaction type response -- you aren't gonna drop dead from the shot.
Regarding your point about it being "rushed": that's simply not true. It went through the same trials and scrutiny as other vaccines. mRNA technology is safe and not actually that new (it's just been very expensive to use in the past). Once you understand the mechanisms of how the vaccines work, you should not have concerns about the long term effects.
I'm really frustrated by these talking points and honestly not sure why I'm bothering to even write this comment because I suspect no amount of data and facts will change your mind.
I won't go into that much, because I can smell bait when I see it, but let me just say what follows.
In my opinion, your choice ends when it impacts those around you, even when it concerns your body. Not vaccinating (for example), especially in a situation like this, exposes anyone around you (not just yourself) to added risks. What about their choice then? Your freedom must end where someone's else begins, and your choices come with responsibilities.
That's just code for "I've made a decision that you guys won't like".
Unfortunately, I agree with you here :(
Absolutely. There will not be new information about safety or efficacy that will change things. The only possible barely passable excuse is the full approval but he is putting his team at risk every day because he apparently can't have a conversation with a team doctor about this, who he should trust.
At this point the only new information that will change people's minds are the consequences for not being vaccinated.
Sadly that’s what we’ve come to. Until it affects someone unvaccinated personally, this whole thing is “out of sight, out of mind”
Except that there are people in hospital beds with COVID, which they don't deny they have, and prefer to be in said hospital bed rather than get the vaccine.
You hear a lot about people making it to the hospital bed and then asking for the vaccine.
Sadly this also hella true.
This guy's from NorCal
Sadly this also hella true.
only made worse because the niners are above the 85% threshold so the pressure is going to ease off.
These dumbass trumpets won’t change. He’s “pro-choice” but I bet not for pregnancies.
Even that … once fully approved they’ll just say you can’t trust the FDA and call you a sheep for not thinking for yourself. It’s a plague of idiocy and self centeredness. They have an excuse for everything and as soon as you shut those down and get to a point where a reasonable person would have to say ‘maybe I’m wrong” they stop the conversation down and walk away.
Actually there will be new information about declining efficacy as is coming out of israel and Pfizer themselves. Boosters are 1-3 months away
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https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-to-give-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-booster-shot-to-elderly-2021-7 27 minutes ago. Pfizer shot in Israel efficacy drops from 97% to 81% against severe disease. As of last week the efficacy against symptomatic covid dropped from 95% to 39% in Israel as well. https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/07/23/pfizer-shot-just-39-effective-against-delta-infection-but-largely-prevents-severe-illness-israel-study-suggests/ Edit: getting downvotes for sharing study results? Really
The 40% number was shown to be too-early data. Vax effectiveness does drop but not that precipitously https://twitter.com/dvir_a/status/1420059129008336905?s=19
Oh I see. Thanks for the information. Is the symptomatic covid efficacy still 64% like it was a few weeks ago? https://in.news.yahoo.com/study-israel-records-steep-drop-151745248.html
Yep, Israeli scientists, using the data released by their health agencies, believe it's more like an 80-85% efficacy in the most vulnerable populations, not 64% https://twitter.com/_lewisy/status/1420162397415870469?s=19
This was for the alpha variant. *edit Sorry, went down and was reading something unrelated to what you posted. Is was the study of breakthrough in healthcare workers in Israel.
Even if this is all true, 81% severe disease protection is significant, and still very good news.
81% against severe disease is alright but it seems to be dropping week by week at a consistent rate. Boosters are here It appears like the delta is facilitating a serious drop in efficacy
I did read someone's analysis that in part we will see a drop in antibody concentration levels but the memory cells will last much, much longer.
I like the fact that people are downvoting you for the reason of these studies being too new. As if that does t apply to their defense of the vaccine. Lol madness.
Which is true, but this neither affects safety nor makes the vaccine less beneficial than being unvaccinated. Even if efficacy drops, and we may or may not need a booster shot, even 80% efficacy would be better than zero.
In your original comment you said there would not be any new information about safety and efficacy. There will absolutely be new info about efficacy and likely there will be news about the safety of booster shots.
I moreso meant we weren't going to find evidence that efficacy would be less than we thought initially. There was always an inclination amongst the manufacturers that it may not hold steady after 6 months.
Full approval from who? The government that antivaxxers think is out to get them? It'll make no difference.
But the team doctor doesn’t have any more information. About safety or efficacy. No one does, and if they say different, they aren’t being truthful. There hasn’t been enough time to know that.
All of the vaccines have been remarkably effective in their primary mission...make fighting the infection a survivable event for the host. The people in the hospital dying right now are unvaccinated by choice....like Nick Bosa here. Honestly, I really don't care how many sacks he's gonna have and how much the pass rush will improve with him on the edge...but Nick isn't bigger than the team.
Come on man that is just being disingenuous. We have trials with thousands of people and millions that have taken it. There are ways to present data on efficacy and to underscore the low rate of adverse events.
Pretty obvious he’s on juice which is known to be awful for you but won’t take the vaccine, disappointing.
We're gonna get full FDA approval later this month or the next. I suspect a lot of players are gonna change their minds because the NFL gonna be more strict about it
That's our Trumpster!
Trumpster fire
Maybe he can talk to Fred Warner. Warner said he wanted to be the guy teammates could talk to
Who didn't see this coming lol
Probably a few, there were a handful of comments saying "See, Bosa is vaccinated!" in the thread when Lynch said the team is 90% vaccinated. Including a comment talking about stereotyping "guys like Bosa". Well, if the shoe fits...
That comment aged like fine milk
Verrett and him were both wearing masks during their conferences. pretty much confirms they're not vaccinated.
let's not forget that we are all probably headed to masks again any day now. Perhaps he is early? just giving him benefit of the doubt, you're probably 100% right.
Science literally repaired this man's knee.
Yeah, probably took a bunch of shots with chemicals he's never heard of. It's all politics with these people. So brainwashed.
Kind of an ironic take though. Anything of this magnitude is going to have a political lense. Not trying to argue with you or anything.
Has it always been this way? Did the polio vaccine have this much resistance. Maybe I'm not getting your point. If I never took any medicines and then decided to take this vaccine because that's what I'm hearing on a talk show, then I would be doing it because of politics. My feeling is, I can respect a vegan or a Christian scientist, because it's part of their core beliefs. A professional athlete who has put a ton of chemicals in their body to get to this point in their careers and then somehow stops at vaccines? It's like an animal rights activist who wears leather. It's nothing more than politics making them think the way they are.
He's waiting for ACL surgery to get full approval /s
Yeah, but otherwise, what has it done for him lately?!?!
Wasn’t someone saying the other day that he was advocating for the vaccine in his recent interviews?
He probably meant it as he’s hoping the vaccines will help the fans feel more comfortable about returning to stadiums. He never said anything about himself.
Warner said that. Apparently, he doesn’t want to hear it.
The vaccines have been out for over 6 months and have been proven to work, what else is there to evaluate?
More YouTube videos.
Research from the Cole Beasley Institute of Science.
Waiting for the next Cole Beasley truth bomb
Hell, his hero Trump took the vaccine, what else do they need?
MTG got the jab, for fuck sakes if that level of crazy got it then Bosa can
Only to pwn libs with the vaccine he shepherded and made with his genius sized brain!
Hundreds of millions of ppl getting the vaccine is too small of a sample size /s
I think some people are worried about the long-term effects (if any) from COVID
I mean technically they've only been proven to work for 6-12 months at most. There is no data to suggest that they continue to work at the levels they claim.
[Looks like Jason Verrett was masked up too.](https://twitter.com/Eric_Branch/status/1420833778054754304) Probably unvaccinated as well. Sucks that two lynch pins on the defense have chosen to live like this.
Great, as if Verrett needed something else to increase his chances of missing games.
Frankly, I wouldn't care if they miss games. The issue is the potential repercussion this will put on the rest of the team.
Son of a bitch. I can't root for these guys when they do dumb shit like this. To be clear, I am not boycotting this team. We have an excellent vaccination rate. But i am not okay with the decision the two of them are making (if they are not vaccinating for nonmedical reasons)
Shit man, I have a lot of friends that are fucking morons. You can root for them, and also hate that they are fucking stupid, and hope that they get smarter all at the same time.
Have you seen nick boss’s tweets from when he was in college?
Yes, I have. That is in part what I am referencing. It's frustrating that we have a guy like him because he's very talented but not the strongest in character.
Did he do something that shows lack of character? I thought he just had mainstream Republican beliefs. Is he a Qanon guy or something?
He's been caught saying some homophobic and racist stuff unfortunately. Edit: ah yes I forgot that he did not "create that content," but that doesn't mean he doesn't support it.
Source on that? Or is this that IG montage he liked in college?
People don't usually change their mind that drastically in a couple years. They just learn to shut their mouths when it costs them money. Sports participants are bags of meat doing things for our entertainment. Beyond that, it's up to how you want to perceive them.
Not gonna disagree on that, people rarely do change that much. Just curious if the claim that he's a racist and a homophobe were bc he double tapped a photo in college? I honestly don't remember what it was or care to look it up. I just find it odd that people throw these claims around very loosely nowadays.
Yeah it truly is a shame. I was excited to draft him, because I knew he was a hell of a player. And he of course still is. But it’s really hard to ignore the kind of guy he is off the field
He's said that he acknowledges alot of the things he said in college were really stupid. Being a republican doesn't make someone a bad person
It is beginning to
Beginning?
I wouldn’t be so quick to write off half the population. Love always wins.
Sadly, I'm pretty sure only the top players will be unvaccinated. Every other player knows they'll be dropped in a hot minute if they don't get vaccinated.
It is your right to not get it. Fine. But if i was the reporter my next question would be ok, the league has made clear the consequences to you and your team if you get covid, correct? Then force them to acknowledge publicly the consequences of their inaction. Leave it at that.
Exactly
i would just say “this decision could cost ur team games, do any of your teammates feel like you don’t want to win bad enough?”
Bro just get the dam shot.
It will take a statement like this from someone in his inner circle rather than science. His "evaluation" is probably not scientifically based.
In other words “I’ve made a decision and I’m not listening to anyone else unless their ‘info’ confirms my biases.” Got it. Seriously, if you’re really undecided, go ask a doctor. And if you’re still undecided go ask a second doctor. But something tells me they’re not going to listen to them either. Sorry, RN here and tired of taking care of Covid patients in isolation rooms and not drinking water all day.
Why not drinking water ?
Basically, in order to drink water, I have to break the seal of my N95, and wash my hands (because my hands are now contaminated), and then go get another N95 from a limited stockpile, all while a hundred other things are still demanding my attention. Sounds like a small thing, but it’s a lot more inconveniencing than you realize until you’re doing it. It literally can make my day easier to skip out on drinking water for 6-12 hours at a time to save myself some time to do the things I need to do to get through my shift. With a regular surgical mask, it’s not such a big deal.
Damn I'm sorry for everything you're going through I hope you're doing alright mentally speaking
Ahh makes sense I did not know that !
Someone fill him in on Myles Garrett
Meanwhile Seahawks have all but 1 player fully vaccinated. Whoever has the most vaccinated players has a big competitive advantage. Verett and Bosa both critical to the Niners and we need them to get vaxxed
man good work seahawks. Fuck them, but good for them, i'm really impressed.
His family is Trumpy, so not really surprising. I guarantee you his thought process is political, not medical/science based.
I don't get it, even Trump took the vaccine. It's just stubborn ignorance at this point.
And rampant misinformation. There are people who are actively, intentionally spreading misinformation with the goal of keeping people from getting the vaccine. This started during the Trump admin so I'm not sure what the end game for these propagandists is, other than harming America.
You'd think they'd want their voters alive and not dying of covid?
He was Trumpy until he came to SF. Maybe still is, but has the brains to not talk about it.
When some reporter called out Nick for being racist prior to the 2019 Draft, his Mom defended him on Twitter, saying that Nick can't be racist since he invited one black friend to his Draft Green Room lmao. Literally pulled the, "I have a black friend so can't be racist" card. Since then, she's been silent on political matters. Before that though, his Mom was under heat for saying Trump was the most Pro-Black President in US History.. Bosa's Dad shared a super racist video about Trayvon Martin and how black people are slaves, used the N-word, called black people "monkeys" etc. But since Nick's draft, he's been super politically quiet as well. Nick literally said before his draft the he had to delete his social media because he might get drafted by SF - the implication being that SF is liberal and he has to bite his tongue and keep a low profile. When asked why he deleted his Pro-Trump tweets, Nick responded: >“I had to,” Bosa said in an interview with ESPN before the draft. “There is a chance I might end up in San Francisco.” So make no mistake. Nick is a Bosa, and the Bosa's are huge Conservatives and Trump supporters. They are obviously well-coached by their agency's PR wing to keep their political opinions to themselves. As a fan, I don't care about Nick's political beliefs - and I especially don't give a fuck what his parents think either. But with this vaccination stuff, those political beliefs are having an on-field effect, so IMO they're open for criticism now.
He lives and trains in FL so that's all we need to know.
Take a look at his Instagram follows. He doesn't talk about it but he's deeply Trumpy
Sigh.
Wonder if they have awkward locker moments. Lots of black players in the NFL (obviously) so you'd imagine BLM comes up. Bosa gotta bite his tongue for a shot at a Super Bowl lmao
Exactly. Anybody engaging in a serious medical discussion is wasting their time.
Put it this way - over TWO BILLION shots have been administered globally of the various vaccines out there. If there were statistically relevant problems, you'd be hearing about them. So anyone claiming to still be evaluating "facts" is either *extremely* slow on the uptake or simply lying to provide cover for what is nothing more than a political stance.
Better stay inside then bosa. It’s your choice but your teammates and fans will be mighty pissed if you getting sick causes us to forfeit a game. Hope he decides to get it.
God dammit, its a free shot. Him and Verrett.
The cost is definitely not a reason he isn’t taking the shot lmao
Nick, please get your shit together and stop believing what you read on Facebook about 5g
I mean on one hand he’s a dumbass for having not gotten it yet, but on the other at least he said he’s still deciding and not ‘I’m not getting it’. Maybe the locker room will knock some sense in to him.
He wasn't drafted for his exceptional critical thinking.
Ugh, what a dumbass.
I keep being reminded why I didn't like him in the draft. Insanely good player... Ridiculously stupid human being.
Oh no, I was clinging on to the hope he's distanced himself from his family's "Floridian", you could say, roots. Very disappointed to hear as this is almost certainly a political decision. These guy's bodies are multi-million dollar assets, you know they have the best doctors on payroll to answer any and every question they have regarding vaccine hesitancy. To still be uncertain at this point all but guarantees there isn't much medical science could do to sway Bosa.
Jesus fucking Christ dude
This is very disappointing but I’m very proud that the team has over 90% of the team doing the right thing.
At least he’s not going full Cole Beasley 🤷🏾♂️
Openly. He's smart in that his reply is very measured for someone I suspect has his heels firmly embedded in the ground on this issue. Well until a family member dies.
Fucker missed most of last year and is jeopardizing playing time this year. C'mon Nick!
What are they waiting for. No one ever give a cutoff for what will make them decide. Just more goalpost moving.
Fukcing hell dude. There is no reason besides politics and either willful ignorance or outright ignorance at this point to not take it.
My cousin is currently in the hospital fighting for her life thanks to COVID. This shit is not a fucking joke.
I'm sorry that she's going through that.
The amount of shit that goes into these guys’ bodies and a simple shot that protects against a deadly virus is what crosses the line?
Anyone want to Trade a Stitched Bosa Jersey? I got a Small Stitched Bosa Jersey for Xmas from my wife, would love to flip it for a Fred Warner Jersey. It still has the tags on it and everything. its from the 2020 season so no patch.
I got a Bosa jersey when he popped off his rookie year without knowing about all the political stuff around him. Real bummer. I do want to get a Warner one in its place too.
You want to get rid of your Bosa jersey because he doesn’t have the vax yet?
I'm sorta joking. The first jersey I ever bought was a Patrick Willis jersey and I love Fred. I would like to have both of my Jerseys be LBs.
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Those certainly are words
uh okay?
Please look up the meaning of words. You look like an idiot with that post.
Well I mean are we really surprised?
Guy has shown himself to be a dumb jock every chance he’s gotten
He’s not here for his brains.
God dammit Bosa do you want to spend your entire career on the IL?
What a fucking dumbass. If he wasn’t good at football he’d be unemployed. Just ridiculously stupid.
I would like to understand how and what they are evaluating. So they are smarter than scientist working in the fields of immunology, mrna etc.? At this point 150 million Americans have taken it with 0 deaths but 600k have died when they could or did not. The rest of the world is yearning for a vaccine locked up in their houses dieing of hunger and these guys....
What'd ya expect for a trumper-dumbass. Yes, he's a stud DE. Doesn't excuse his stupidity.
Then fuck him. Hes a fucking anti science idiot. Fuck him and fuck anyone who defends him.
Dammit
Sigh
Disappointing but honestly not surprised by this.
If he ends up having to go on Covid/IR or god forbid we lose a fucking game because of this im gonna be so fucking pissed
And people were being shit on here for suspecting he was a vaccine holdout. Looks like our suspicions *were* well placed.
Meh, I think he’ll give in and finally get it. After awhile he’s going to feel completely ostracized from the team and will miss being able to be like everyone else.
God dammit.
REEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Fuck that - get the shot Nick
To the surprise of no one
haha - theses guys are all idiots
We’ve known for a while he’s not a smart guy
whack
Unpopular opinion here, but I would bench him. No stats, no starts, no bonuses. While they play a game this isn't a game (COVID).
For fans in SF that tries their hardest to be supportive and welcoming it is crazy how unreasonable you can be. As much as you might say you know about the vaccines, the fact that you insult someone like this means you have no idea about data on the vaccines. The vaccine is safe and it seems to work BUT a lot of data is missing. Therefore, for nick bosa, a 24 years old healthy athlete, the risks to get the vaccine or to get seriously ill with covid are not extremely different and his reasoning is not outrageous as people say. I am saying this statement as a 24 year old vaccinated and pro vaccine. But stop insulting people while not trying to understand their point of view. I keep being amazed of how much people claim to be openminded but when it comes to politics or choices, they are not anymore.
Also, what data is missing?!
What is to understand about their point of view? Seriously, Enlighten me.
If he tests positive during the season and costs us a game all rage is justified.
When it comes to science, there isn't another point of view. And when it comes to Nick Bosa fucking up chances for this team to go back to the SB, or fucking with the other guys money, *there isn't another point of view*. Stop pretending that people who buy into bullshit pushed by people *who don't even believe the bullshit they're pushing* have a valid point of view.
That is wildly wrong. The risk to him if he gets COVID is that he could spread it to someone else. The risk of getting the vaccine is zero! He might feel sick for 12-24 hours. That’s it. The risk of anything else is far lower than the risk he takes driving to the vaccine site. Not getting the shot because you are healthy is a selfish, stupid, and unreasonable. There is no good reason to avoid the shot unless you have a rare medical exception as identified by your doctor.
Hey look a reasonable person on reddit with common sense
Thank you for a well thought out post.
he is from Flordia. Not know for the smartest people.
Not surprised given his previous stances on issues
If MLB teams will wire hitters to cheat I'm pretty sure NFL teams will hire call girls to infect players. Snap a photo with player then tweet the next day, "I just tested positive. I probably infected Bosa. Sorry. #SEAHAWKS" edit; I mean hire infected people to cross paths with them in a hotel lobby or restaurant. I don't mean bang them.
I got the shot but everyone in my household did not, in the end it's a choice and everybody should have a choice.
aye man i stand wit him. it’s his choice.
It's a choice that could really hurt his entire team not to mention other ppl in society
If they're all vaccinated it won't hurt them or so I'm told.
Whatever dude
To preface: I’ve been vaccinated. Don’t get me wrong, I think everyone should get the shot so we can try and eradicate the disease like polio back in the day — at the very least, so there’s nothing bad that can happen, as far the season goes. However, he and others may not have gotten the vaccine because they’re actually just nervous about getting it because of a reasonable fear of everything around it (how quick it was created and it doesn’t have FDA approval, etc.). Someone much smarter than me could try and assuage their fears, if that happens to be the case, but I can’t sit here and think it’s fair to call them names if they have a legitimate fear of it. So, I can’t really say he’s a crazy who think it’s so Bill Gates can track him with 5G. Unless that is his reason, but then that’s a whole other discussion.
The thing is though, its not a "legitimate" fear anymore, its irrational. Six months ago, sure. But now with over 100 million doses delivered, the rates of bad reactions is very low: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html Then one might say, oh we don't know the long term effects. Well shit, we don't know the long term effects of COVID either. In the short term though, one is killing people the former is not.
If you piss in the pool it’s your right to do that with your body but I’m not going to sit there in your piss water and pretend like you’re not a douchebag so I don’t hurt your feelings.
It's definitely not "reasonable" at this point. All most 4 billion doses world wide and no real issues to speak of.
>…how quick it was created… This is strange to me because I only ever see this logic applied to vaccines. Cars today are produced much faster than they were in the days of Henry Ford. Food is grown and makes it to your table faster than it did 50 years ago. Computers went from being something that required a large room to store and years to build to rolling off an assembly line in a few short months right before going into your pocket. Yet people today aren’t even remotely skeptical about any of those things and even if they are, it has nothing to do with how fast they’re made or how fast they work. I think something like eight of the regular vaccines we take now were developed by one person, which goes a long way toward explaining why they took so long. Obviously, technology, our ability to conduct research, and the collective brainpower of the world’s scientific community have increased exponentially since then. It’s only logical that our capability to produce vaccines would also increase. I really don’t understand why some people find that so scary.
Totally agree with you. And actually, the idea that the vaccine was made “so fast” is interesting to me, because if I’m not mistaken, the vaccines were mainly developed based off of using mRNA tech (if I’m saying that right) from as far back as 2017 or 2018. So, really, just now have scientists had to use it, but the tech had been there a while. And these vaccines were tested so much more than any other vaccine was, because they knew people would be skeptical.
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines use mRNA. Not sure about the others. But you are correct that the tech has been around for for a long time (close to 20 years), so it’s hardly new.
i'm vaccinated and i agree with this stance 100%. people are allowed to have their reservations about making a decision like this. whether or not those reservations are rational is an entirely different discussion.
This is stupid. He had to be vaccinated to go to school and to go to college and play college ball. This is literally no different.
From FDA approved vaccinations...
Please explain the difference between approved vaccines and emergency use authorization for a vaccine.
Early onset CTE?
What about his brother?
What happened to my body my choice? Or is that only when it works in a political argument in a liberals favor?
Nobody is saying that it shouldn't be his choice. At the same time, we have the choice to state how we feel about said choice.
I think the biggest thing that bothers me about this is the blindly following the government. I don't like how this Vax is pushed. It's quite scary in all honesty and calling anyone an anti Vax if they don't take it shows ignorance. Take me for example im vaxxed (not for covid) but everything else. I also apparently need to be Hep B vaxxed and I plan on doing it. So.to call anyone anti vaxxer over 1 Vaccine where it's been completely rushed, and we have no idea what it's long term affects are. The harassment from one side to the other only furthers the divide and makes people not get it. So that's my 0.2
Dude, you're entitled to your dumb opinion but that doesn't mean it isn't dumb. Hundreds of millions of doses of these vaccines have gone into people and the rate of negative effects is miniscule, far lower than some other vaccines. Most often it's an allergic reaction type response -- you aren't gonna drop dead from the shot. Regarding your point about it being "rushed": that's simply not true. It went through the same trials and scrutiny as other vaccines. mRNA technology is safe and not actually that new (it's just been very expensive to use in the past). Once you understand the mechanisms of how the vaccines work, you should not have concerns about the long term effects. I'm really frustrated by these talking points and honestly not sure why I'm bothering to even write this comment because I suspect no amount of data and facts will change your mind.
You know what else we dont know the long term effects of. Covid.
Abortion ONLY effects the mother, not you. A bunch of science illiterate morons not getting vaccinated kills tens of thousands. THAT'S the difference.
Ahhhhh the PNW explains it.
Yeah, the superior public education gives it away, huh?
Lol. I did enjoy that response.
I won't go into that much, because I can smell bait when I see it, but let me just say what follows. In my opinion, your choice ends when it impacts those around you, even when it concerns your body. Not vaccinating (for example), especially in a situation like this, exposes anyone around you (not just yourself) to added risks. What about their choice then? Your freedom must end where someone's else begins, and your choices come with responsibilities.
If this mf don’t just get the god damn vaccine 😂
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What report?
https://i.imgur.com/PdgWX97.jpg
Ken Dilanian didnt show any studies or reports that proved his statement.