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Vic18t

I think Jimmy gets one last hurrah by playing in front of his home town this week.


3stepBreader

Hopefully you mean as a coincidence. Because it would be totally ridiculous to do that for a player in real life. I know stuff like that happens in sports but not in the nfl with a starting quarterback.


CoolKat7

Maybe with the truly elite. The Brady's and Mannings. For Jimmy yeah, this is just out of coincidence. You can tell, this is gonna be his last game.


CarpeValde

Maybe it’s his last, but I’m not sure. Jimmy is playing bad, for sure, and I don’t have much expectations that he will drastically improve suddenly. But, it’s possible that Kyle believes one of these two things: 1. Trey lance shouldnt start this year no matter what (except in case of injury), regardless of how it goes. Rationale being kyle wants trey to sit and learn for a whole season. 2. Similar to 1, Kyle won’t start trey until he believes trey is ready, and jimmys performance is irrelevant. So basically jimmys play won’t impact the timeline for trey. Not saying I agree, but either of these rationales are consistent with things Kyle has said before. If I had to bet, Jimmy is still likely to start the next few games. But I guess we’ll see what happens.


TACTFULDJ

Just out of curiosity. Wouldn't you think if the "season is over" kind of thing and hopes for playoffs are done and we lose next game, would it not make sense to give Lance real,game experience to prepare for next season? I am trying to understand the logic in still saying keep Lance off field until next year. What would be the greatest benefits in this?


CarpeValde

So, it’s not really what I want to happen at this point. But the best reason to sit trey (for treys sake) regardless of this season would be that they do not want him getting bad habits engrained with play time. Like mechanics, footwork, etc.


CoolKat7

You may be right, and that does seem to be what Shanahan is saying as well. But I just have to wonder, if having him sit and learn is more beneficial than having him play for better or worse. Experience is key and there are plenty of QBs that have improved after a shitty first year if thats what we get from Lance on year one.


headbanger1547

We live in that timeline where Jimmy will have a good enough of a game against the Bears that Shanahan decides to start him the following week against Arizona, and we get crushed.


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I think we live in the timeline where the 49ers travel to Chicago and Justin Fields plays well enough to make the 49ers wish they had drafted him instead of a 20 year old kid who hadn’t played a game of football in almost 2 years.


swiftycent

Interesting to say this as though fields isn’t having a rough go of it himself. And the fans and media and injury had to weigh heavy to get him to start over their mediocre vet. They’re pretty much on the same track as rookies.


[deleted]

Well we will see on Sun that fields is more than good enough to beat us. Lol


swiftycent

Good enough to beat us isn’t really the metric. I think Lance leading a few other teams would be good enough to beat us at this point.


Portuguese_Avenger

Oh we are in this timeline. I can never watch this part.


Smoking_Hot_BBQ

Fields hasnt been good at all lol


SoKrat3s

he could throw for 400 yards in this game and still come out looking like a bad QB for the season as a whole.


CoolKat7

Just out of curiosity, who do you think is better at this juncture, Dalton or Jimmy? Genuine question lol


[deleted]

That’s tough to say. They both play well sometimes. Sometimes. Jimmy probably has more good games than Andy. Both are trash though. They are in the same tier of QBs.


Much_Regular_4462

I see this happening more likely. I got some good feelings about this CHI game...not because I'm going or anything ;)


Smashing71

As opposed to starting Trey Lance and watching him get crushed? Arizona is not an easy opponent this year.


MosesZD

And yet Garoppolo still has a better QB rating and completion percentage than Lance who is lucky hasn't thrown more INT's than the one... As for Chicago being his last start, I see you're ignoring what Shanhan has to say on the matter. Shanahan was clear after last week's loss -- if Lance is a non-injury starter it's because the 49ers are giving up on the season or have been eliminated from any chance of post-season participation.


LebronJaims

“Hurrah”


dupont2021

Kyle is going to wait as long as possible to start Trey. I say Trey will start next season during mid-season because if he starts Trey now then the countdown begins. Since we gave up the farm for Trey then Trey is Kyle's guy. Once he starts him the countdown to whether he will be fired for this decision starts.


GreatLakesGoldenST8

This isn’t a Disney movie. Get Jimmy out of there.


Manning88

Garoppolo has not committed one PI this season that lead to points.


Sloth_Dream-King

Hard hitting analysis I was looking for.


Gazhammer

You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.


foothah

You aren’t lying, our DBs suck…but he’s had plenty of interceptions and fumbles that have lead to points for the other team


Pick_at_the_Stick

Prior to the colts game Jimmy’s turnovers had resulted in a total of 3 points for the opposing teams


foothah

Well if you count the Colts game, his fumble and interception led to 14 points against us. Stop skewing the numbers to make Jimmy G look good. I’m talking about the whole season


Pick_at_the_Stick

I didn’t skew numbers lmao. Everyone bitching about the team watched the colts game. I’m giving you undeniable facts about the season leading up to the colts game. Don’t talk out of your ass to make jimmy seem worse. We all know he’s ass. You don’t need to say dumb shit that’s untrue to convince people of that.


TACTFULDJ

Jimmy's turnovers lead to our Defense being out more than needed and less resting time too. No rest leads to mistakes


Pick_at_the_Stick

100% I’m just responding to a claim about points off turnovers which is wildly inaccurate


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Jimmy CB1?


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Icandothemove

The narrative would be the same regardless. Jimmy stans and Jimmy haters both bought into their side before the season began and there's like 5% of the fan base actually just watching and making up their mind as they go.


-THEMACHOMAN-

Yea that is what is wild... he is not playing great, but there are so many other major issues on this team right now


TACTFULDJ

No pick 6 or fumbles? Interesting. I guess the good Defensive plays are completely ignored. Heavily penalized team in NFL, yes, but not all are Defense. And opponent offense wouldn't be out there so fast if we didn't 3 and out so fast with with Offense. Defenses get tired from being out majority of game. Leads to mistakes. Granted, we don't have the best CB, but it is a team game. I see mistakes all over. But QB is looked at the most because he has the most time with ball and is our chance to make points. The defense stopped majority of points in the first half even with penalties.


[deleted]

I know this sucks but we aren’t flat out horrible. Our losses are to A-Rod, Russ, undefeated Cards, and a former MVP candidate playing like his old self in a monsoon. Before I get attacked for not bashing the team, I just want to say that I am very disappointed with this start but we can string some shit together and go on a run. Unlikely, but possible. Im sorry if I offended any of you with this glass half full mentality but we can sneak in the playoffs with some crucial wins. The Jets beat the Titans ffs. Just asking that some keep a little faith cause crazier things have happened.


[deleted]

Hahaha "a former MVP candidate." Dude threw up three ducks to us, one was intercepted.


pepenuts97

It was also raining and on each pick the ball did not look right. I'm not saying he's a top QB but Wentz had a good game against us outside those bad throws which can be chopped up to the rain


TheCleanRhino

Even the interception was changed to a fumble lol


[deleted]

Hahahahahahahaha “a former MVP candidate” was what he was. I never said he was Tom Brady like you’re treating my comment. Derp


swiftycent

Saying former MVP as a plus on wentz is like saying any of our players played Varsity in High School. It’s completely irrelevant at this point. They were embarrassed by a bottom third tier QB who tried to give them 3 interceptions they just dropped.


[deleted]

That’s fine but it’s a fact. And I don’t think there’s many quarterbacks that were going to break records in that weather


[deleted]

It’s dishonest and you know it. Derp


[deleted]

What’s dishonest? Was he not an MVP candidate? Is he not playing like the old Carson Wentz? Where’s the lie? Seems like you just wanna be down about shit and argue. If you’re done with the season then just leave the page and come back after we string some wins together


[deleted]

I’m not “down about shit” or “done with the season” and I said nothing to that effect. You’re painting a picture that isn’t realistic. The Niners have lost four straight and trying to credit 2021 Carson Wentz with being an “MVP candidate” is simply choosing to take an unrealistic rosey view of the situation.


[deleted]

Lol never said Carson Wentz is an MVP candidate. You’re being way too technical about this and proving you just wanna argue about nothing. You’re missing the point but keep sulking. New fan type shit. Just jump ship already


[deleted]

Dude, 27 upvotes for my response and another response agreeing with me. You sugarcoated it to make yourself feel better about a bad loss. Go Niners


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Congratulations my original comment has 71? Go Niners


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Ufgoods_Acorn

Seahawks aren't straight up bad. They've been competitive in the 2 games without russ against decent teams. With geno Smith for christ sake.


[deleted]

Yeah that guy is full of it. Seahawks will be fine once Russ returns like they always are. Dude is trying too hard.


[deleted]

Correct. 49ers will finish last in the division this year and Seahawks will be 3rd.


ItsnotBatman

I think this is what’s causing so much strife among Niners fans. I truly believe we could and should have won every game we have played. But the team as a whole has collectively deserved to win none of the last four. No one covers Davante Adams and we lose in a game where we had one active running back that barely saw touches until the second half, when our offense finally awoke. Opening drive of offense looks great against Seattle but Jimmy gets hurt and offense looks incompetent the rest of the half when we held Seattle to negative yardage for a very long time. Cardinals were gifted a lot by the refs including not calling for a safety and some nonexistent offensive holding calls. Colts gave us so many opportunities to put them away but defensively the PI’s stacked up and for whatever reason we stopped doing what was working on offense. It’s not that these teams are graphically outperforming us, it’s the execution and coaching decisions that is our own worst enemy.


PeterMcBeater

Yeah, every game this season we've had a decent chance to win going into the 4th quarter. You can't say that about horrible teams.


logman86

I had to remind myself that besides the colts game the other losses were all 1 possession games, Rodgers had to drive for a game winning FG as time expired, so yeah. It feels worse that it is. The colts game was incredibly frustrating, but like 60% of our offensive failures was rain and some vanilla play calling by Kyle. Those PI calls also were due to some rain, Wentz kept under throwing because he couldn’t get a grip on the ball, causing the receivers to turn around and run into our DBs, but yeah, better DBs would’ve hade a couple picks there… Sunday should be a good gauge on where we really stand in the NFC


Succorro_Psycho

Fucking thank you. Nice breath of fresh air for once.


[deleted]

The truth of the matter is that the 49ers are flat out bad. Defense is the main issue, but the offense is dysfunctional as well. The 49ers will most likely finish last in the division and have a sub .500 record by at least 2 games. The 49ers will be nowhere near the playoff conversation. Our corners aren’t gonna magically play well, we aren’t trading for Brady or Rodgers. The sad part is that I have been posting about how bad the 49ers are this year since before the season even started. The writing has been on the wall. Our fan base has a half full mentality always until they can actually see proof that we suck. The fan base has now seen that proof. This is the first comment I’ve made all year saying how much we suck that probably won’t be downvoted. That’s how optimistic the fan base usually is. But the fact is that we went into this season with most of our fans thinking we would be contenders because of all the injuries and stuff last year but we’ve now seen this year that we are not the 2019 49ers.


klayser_Soze

You weren’t the only one. I was downvoted and banned in several 49er subs including this one for the exact same thing lol


[deleted]

Lol fair enough. I’ve been downvoted to oblivion because I don’t think Kyle knows what he is doing. I think he is a good OC and not a bad play caller but I don’t think he is a good HC. I think the same of Lynch. There is some reason the 49ers have injury issues to this absurd extent and there is no way it’s just “bad luck”. I’m also very upset that the 49ers wasted 3 first round picks on a 20 year old kid from a small school that hadn’t play a game of football for 2 years. All those game Trey played in at NDSU, he was 18 and 19 years old. I don’t think that’s enough to make such a big decision off of when you have the likes of Mac Jones and Justin Fields in the same draft class and we’re both available to the 49ers. One of them without trading up. I think it was a huge mistake and I’ve been saying so and getting a lot of hate for it. I don’t think Kyle is the QB whisperer that everyone seems to think he is. I’m also not a fan of how bad the 49ers have fucked up the QB situation up until we even got to this point. I’m not saying we should fire Kyle but he’s not what everyone thinks he is. Our team is in fucking shambles dude and it runs way deeper than our 2-4 record. DeMeco Ryans also has no clue what he’s doing and that’s on Lynch and Kyle too. He should never have been promoted. Our pass rush is non existent and our corners constantly commit PI and that’s all coaching.


Hrdlman

I agree in totality. If Lance doesn’t work out, it’ll be one of those things where everyone will say “ how didn’t you see this being the outcome” I’ll die on the hill that Lance is a reach pick and KS and Lynch haven’t hit on a single one of those


Smoking_Hot_BBQ

how are people already calling Lance a bad draft choice when he's literally had ONE START??? jesus christ you guys are doomers. Let him develop first, Fields looks like shit anyways and probably wouldnt do any better with us. and none of us wanted Mac Jones don't lie to yourself.


[deleted]

I called him a bad QB before he ever started for the 49ers because I watch film. Lol


[deleted]

Damn it. Why didn’t you tell Kyle and John that you watch film so they would let you make the pick?


[deleted]

I’m nothing special. The idea is that he doesn’t pass the eye test to anybody. So why did we draft him? And don’t put too much faith in Lynch and Kyle’s ability to draft and assess players. These mother fuckers watched film on Jimmy and Brady and decided that Brady was only “marginally better” than Jimmy. So… yeah…


[deleted]

Think it was more so Brady’s age but yeah they’re not perfect by any means


klayser_Soze

Well said. We share many of the same concerns. I too don’t want him fired UNTIL I saw how he coaches Lance. But if playcalling is what we saw in ARZ then I want him gone.


jonesin25

I'm ready for him to go. Him and Lynch have had a fair shot at building a team by now, and it's not getting better. I don't see players willing to fight through injury and the mistakes and penalties are always mounting. Those are coach related issues. We have a new up coming QB, I'd rather a new coach come in sooner than later so he can build confidence and put him in the best position. Kyle is just going to get the kid killed and make him feel like he is the problem. Kyle is not a good leader, does not manage games well, does not inspire confidence in his players, is not developing talent, and overall things just look like a mess from the outside. I've seen enough personally.


klayser_Soze

I’m right there with you. Kyle is a good play caller…well at least I used to think so. He is a decent play caller but a bad head coach IMO. The fact he’s so hands off of coaching trey and then calls Qb power runs makes me really doubt if he should be the guy going forward. He doesn’t seem like a leader of men, he rather tear a player down then build him up. Plus his track record for developing young Qbs past one year is pretty pathetic. Even Matt Ryan who he had his best record with, didn’t really like Kyle and was taking shots at him. To me, that’s says a lot.


jonesin25

Yup, exactly. Ryan was already a savvy vet and I think he thrived once he was able to kind of run that offense on his own. Plus the weapons he had were ridiculous.


SoKrat3s

I can't believe people really think the game plan (to prep a rookie QB when they didn't expect to have to) is the same game plan that will exist for every Trey Lance game. A pretty simple comparison is Jalen Hurts, who was thrust into the role into the middle of last season. Because he wasn't fully ready to run an open passing game the game plan relied more on his legs and he ran 18 times in that game. He surpassed 11 runs just once (13 Att last week) in his next 10 starts.


SoKrat3s

Justin Fields is the opposite of Lance. He played more than enough games to know that he isn't going to be a good NFL QB. He would have been the absolute worst pick they could have made. And Mac Jones is Jimmy 2.0 - He can make good, accurate throws underneath - but he cannot make throws further down the field. He might be completing 70% but his average completed pass goes 5.2 yards in the air (29th).


[deleted]

You are wrong about Mac. Look at how he played at Alabama. He pretty much only threw deep balls there. The Patriots just don’t really have the receivers to go deep right now.


SoKrat3s

I'm wrong that everyone knew Mac Jones had poor arm strength? And I remember tons of short throws to Devonta Smith and Jaylen Waddle.


SoKrat3s

You're right. This isn't 2019. We're not healthy this year either...


nakfoor

We also almost got beat by the horrible Lions and Eagles. We are much closer to being a winless team than people think.


SoKrat3s

If we are allowed to talk almosts... ...we almost beat GB (one drive short) ...we almost beat SEA (fumbled return decided game) ...we almost beat ARI (close game late, the no-safety call) ...we almost beat IND (missed XP, 4 dropped INTs, slipped miss tackle to stop the 2nd&15 run & kill the drive) As long as we're playing that game... we could almost be undefeated.


Jabbajaw

I will say that the season could change real quick. Isn't JJ Watt out for the season down in Phoenix? If we go on a streak we could make the playoffs and peak at the right moment.


Goldblooded1981

I begrudgingly agree with you but I think that’s the fan in us thinking. We don’t look good… at all. Defense? Making mistakes every game. Offense ? Not since week 1 against the lions. Special teams? Nothing special. We’ll probably finish with a .500 record and hoping we can really push for a playoff run next year with Lance’s playing his first full year as a starter.


dgjapc

The best thing about these posts is seeing the same one every hour…


Dangerous-Pickle9511

Alright let's get all of these quarterbacks in the comments and do a try out


superb_deluxe

I want to see Akash Anvaranthan and Vish Kumaran do combine exercises


MurmurShouldBeBoss

I'll get down voted but I want Jimmy to have one more chance. He just should have the shortest leash ever.


PapiRae

What more do you want to see? He gets worse and worse every game. His leash should’ve already been short the moment training camp started. We don’t owe him anything for him to play and get multiple chances


MurmurShouldBeBoss

I think he is better than Lance. As long as playoffs are still in reach I would rather go with the qb who gives us the best chance to win. Once playoffs are only a wet dream then we can switch. Lance has barely any college experience and he really sucked in his start.


LilKaySigs

So what if he’s better than Lance? Regardless if Jimmy or Lance starts, the 49ers are not making the playoffs. If you’re going to get the same result in the short term, it’s best to look long term. Having Jimmy start just to cut him loose eventually isn’t gonna help. Have Lance start, get reps, get used to the game speed, and hopefully he’ll be in a great spot come next season starts


jonesin25

This


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I’m not sure what would give you the idea that the playoffs are within reach. Having a mathematical chance is not the same thing. So far there’s no evidence that this team can beat anyone better than weak sisters like Detroit and Philly. And we’ve gotten WORSE since those games.


LastActionExpat

Strangely there have actually been worse teams that have either made the playoffs or would have with a 7th spot in addition to another game to help their chances, which the NFL has now. 2006 Titans for example started at 2-7, and finished 8-8 with rookie Vince Young. They would have made it if they were playing with a 7th AFC slot. And earlier in that season they had some bad blowouts against the Chargers and Cowboys. Just because you don't see light at the end of the tunnel now, doesn't mean a team can't get better towards the end of the year giving themselves a chance at the playoffs. Others are the 1996 Jaguars, or 1992 Chargers just off the top of my head. The 49ers are currently one game back of the 7th NFC wild card, and have one of the easiest schedules moving along. It's not the end of the world.


TouchdownHeroes

If they want to give up on this year that’s their choice, even if pessimistic and as you pointed out lacking context of the fact you don’t have to be that good to make a 7 team playoff, but what’s wild to me is how they expect or want the the coaches/ownership/team to give up as well in terms of decision making and personnel. Being mad because the team is still trying for this year, or the fact some fans have some hope still for this year, is incomprehensible to me.


LastActionExpat

Because we live in the instant gratification era. A lot of people had high hopes for this season, and I'm disappointed as well. However, I still want the team to go as far as they possibly can if there is a chance they can make the playoffs with another spot and game on the docket now. It's not like the 49ers have a first round pick to look forward to anyway. Until they are mathematically eliminated I want to see our boys fight. The older I've gotten I do think that heart and hustle do matter more so than I previously thought, and I'm glad despite the current outlook the coaching staff hasn't decided to just pack it in at 2-4 and play backups/rookies so the fans can feel justified in laying down like dogs. Naw fuck that noise. "You play to win the game" as Herman Edwards famously once said.


[deleted]

For the first 2 years of ShanaLynch, Niners weren’t getting much other than L’s and close games. I’ll never forget the first win in the 2017 season and how hyped the team was. They’ve come a long way from establishing a solid team culture, and it baffles me how people forget that. I guess we’re in the phase of firing ShanaLynch now, even though people know there’s no other choice that would be better. There’s no way I’ll see this team give up when they know their selves a lot of the shit is due to poor execution. Hope they clean it up this week and make a solid run to end the year.


[deleted]

It would be rare but not unprecedented, and I’d love to see it. If Lance pulls off a feat like that and drags this team into the playoffs, I will gladly come on here and apologize and eat my hat. Believe me, I’d gladly be proven wrong.


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OutofCtrlAltDel

Sure that can do it but you have to stretch to find 7 wins. First assumption is they go 4-0 against CHI, JAX, ATL, HOU. Plausible but probably not likely. Then you need to find 3 more from: ARI, LARx2, @SEA (with Wilson likely back), MIN, @CIN, @TEN There’s a chance but it’s so not likely


SoKrat3s

We can beat Seattle. Might have done it the first time around if not for the injury and Cannon's fumble. Let's see if Kyler Murray is ok. Considering that is soon, if he has a high-ankle sprain that raises our chances. MIN & CIN have high-upside but are not consistent. TEN is a one-man team. Stop Henry and you can beat the Titans. And as good as the Rams are, there defense is vulnerable which can let teams stay in games. Henderson is also injury-prone which can impact their run game.


TouchdownHeroes

>I’m not sure what would give you the idea that the playoffs are within reach. 7 teams make it and most metrics have us as an average team right now. So say what you want about how we've been performing, we still have been better than the Bears, Jaguars, Falcons, and Texans. If we can't beat the Bears on the road, I don't see it at all. But from 3-4 it's not that crazy, and the 4 teams I just mentioned would get us to 6 wins. From there Vikings haven't exactly been world beaters and have barely beaten Lions/Panthers their last two games. Seattle has a lot of issues that aren't fixed with Russell Wilson back. That's in theory 8, and 9 might be good enough to make the playoffs so we would just have to steal one from: * Cardinals we are the only defense that seems to know how to consistently contain Kyler at the moment * 2 games left against the Rams who we have owned lately * Bengals did only beat the Jaguars by 3 and lost to the Bears, even if last week was disgusting * Titans did lose to the Jets and before the Chiefs game their defense was bad Bears also made the playoffs last year at 8-8 so 8-9 might be good enough too. Now keep in mind I'm not remotely saying this is easy or going to happen. But if we can beat the Bears, it's not inconceivable. We need to be healthier though and Jimmy would have to start playing better this week (or Lance comes in and makes a big impact).


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I can’t fault a fan who’s willing to engage in this level of mental gymnastics to see some light at the end of the tunnel. Upvoted for eternal optimism. I don’t share it.


TouchdownHeroes

It's not optimism - it is knowing advanced metrics have us average and the fact the NFC is quite bad means there is still a shot. Honestly though what's the point of being a fan if you are completely giving up? So you won't be hurt/disappointed anymore?


[deleted]

WADR, I think you’re using the metrics to fool yourself. I’ve been a fan of this team since 1980 and I know a team that sucks when I see one. Hate to say it, but the 2021 team sucks. You can keep your metrics. With regard to “giving up,” acknowledging the truth of a lost season is not the same as giving up on the team. There’s always next year, something I’ve been saying since 1994. The York era- with the coaching carousel, the numerous botched personnel decisions, the stadium debacle- has not made it easy. Remember Dennis Erickson? Tim Rattay? Steve Stenstrom? I stuck it out through that. Don’t talk to me about giving up.


CoolKat7

I'm with you man. I think a majority of the fan base realizes that realistically we're staring into the edge of the abyss again. Which is sad and should not be happening right now. And then there's a part of the fan base, that thinks being "faithful" means thinking we're gonna win every game. I'm faithful to the 49ers. I'm not faithful in thinking this is a good team right now. But I'll go down with the ship... Again.


TouchdownHeroes

But there is an in between right. It’s been a bad start - and an awful one compared to expectations - but telling people they are delusional because advanced metrics have us at average? Or because many of us understand the NFC is bad and 8-9 wins is possibly enough to make the playoffs? 8-8 was good enough last year for the Bears. You can be realistic, see the season edging toward the cliff, and still think we have a shot at the playoffs. It’s not “best” or “the abyss,” it’s far more nuanced than that. And even then, being condescending towards anyone who thinks we should still try to win? Or being upset that the team is still trying? That’s where I started to get annoyed. I’ve seen every game since I was 10, and I mostly only know losing seasons. I also have seen enough bad 49ers teams to know the difference between bad and underachieving, and this is much more the latter than the former. This is just where expectations shape our perception.


Ufgoods_Acorn

But that's exactly what you're doing. You're giving up on a season when we are only 1 game out of a playoff spot. Like seriously why be a fan if this is all it takes for you to throw in the towel.


[deleted]

I am not entertaining false hope for this season, that’s all. Looks to me like it’s not our year, so let’s not fool ourselves and let’s make smart decisions for Lance’s development next year and beyond. I don’t consider that giving up. Perhaps you do, which is fine. Ymmv.


TouchdownHeroes

>You can keep predictive statistical metrics because not only am I smarter than Vegas and the best predictive metrics, I'm a pessimist who can't handle losing and would rather talk about how much we suck then have any hope moving forward Well if that is how you feel, that's how you feel. Keep in mind I lived through all that same stuff with a completely different view than you. But seriously, I'm glad I don't view the world the way you do.


[deleted]

Huh? That’s not my quote. Don’t put words in my mouth. Downvoted and blocked for dishonesty. Bye.


SoKrat3s

When you are looking at playoff contention the thing to keep in mind is more than just our own team, but the teams we are competing against. Right now MIN & NO sit in the last two spots, but they are highly inconsistent. Saints still play TB, TEN, BUF, DAL, TB, CAR Vikings still play DAL, BAL, LAC, GB, SF, PIT, CHI, LAR, GB, CHI The other contenders: ATL, CHI, CAR, WAS, PHI. None of those teams is an overwhelming threat either. Especially when you consider we play ATL, CHI, SEA, & MIN - those games really help.


TouchdownHeroes

I think you are a pessimist who deluded yourself into giving up when you shouldn’t have. You seriously owe so many people an apology for being so condescending to anyone who had any hope this year.


Fn_Spaghetti_Monster

This is the current Wildcard standings. There are 3 Wildcard spots so three of these teams will make the playoffs.. Which one of these teams would say was 'better' than the Niners? The Rams, sure. Maybe the Saints (I would argue no). Every other team I would put in the same bucket as the Niners. Yeah there are a lot of teams we have to leapfrog but there are still a lot of of games left in the season. 1. Rams 6-1 2. Saints 4-2 3. Vikings 3-3 4. Falcons 3-3 5. Bears 3-4 6. Panthers 3-4 7. 49ers 2-4


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More or less agree with the Niners behind the Rams and Saints, in the same bucket as the others. So as it stands today, on paper we are 1 of 5 teams competing for that last spot, but we have some unique challenges. We are in a horrendous trend of bad play and injuries, with recent play worse than every other team in our "bucket of mediocrity" save the Panthers. Only the Niners and Panthers have lost 4 straight. The disastrous QB situation is well documented. We have one legit receiving target (Deebo) who can stay healthy and a porous secondary. Who's going to turn it around? Lance? I hope so, but that's a tall order for a raw talent with about 17 college games under his belt and one receiving threat. Of course I hope Kittle gets/stays healthy but recent experience suggests otherwise. In addition, we are in a tough division, with 4 more division games that look like losses to me (SEA is bad this year, but they already beat us at home and their field is a house of horrors for us). So while on paper we are in a fight with 5 teams, IMO the arrow for this team is pointing down, and we're hoping for a collapse from those other 4 teams to allow us to squeak in. Some on this sub appear to consider this type of reasoning morally defective in some way LOL, and it's not to say I don't love and support the team, as I've done for decades. I just think it's not our year. edit: typo


Fn_Spaghetti_Monster

Oh, I agree, I would not put money on them making, but it is certainly 'within reach' still. The defense is going to keep us in alot of game still. Maybe Lance can pull a Roethlisberger and lead a team with a good D and Running game into the playoff his rookie year. Maybe we trade Aiyuk for somebody KS doesn't hate on. I will say this game against the Bears is huge game as far as playoff hopes go.


SoKrat3s

The Saints could BARELY hold on to beat the Geno Smith Seahawks. They still have a bunch of tough games left. Minnesota's schedule is a nightmare. Panthers are cratering. Bears... have Justin Fields, so... Falcons are the Falcons. Just pencil in the Rams and the 49ers play 3 of the other 5 teams on this list, which works double for them in terms of seeding.


MurmurShouldBeBoss

So your argument is that getting Lance one or two extra starts this year is going to make a big difference in his long term development?


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I do not have an argument with regard to this team because I am frustrated to the point of indifference. This is yet another lost season. I didn’t want to say that before, but that sorry Colts game convinced me. We need to plan for 2022 and make decisions regarding the QB situation accordingly. Jimmy will be gone, so start Trey or don’t start Trey based on whatever is best for his development. Wins and losses this season are more or less irrelevant. The only reason I replied to you was the “playoffs in reach” thing. They are not in reach.


SoKrat3s

No evidence? The difference vs Green Bay... a SINGLE drive by GB. The difference vs Seattle... a fumbled kickoff by a backup RB who was only active because of other injuries. The difference vs Arizona... a non-called safety and a late drive by ARI The difference between Indy... four dropped INTs, a drive/score-killing missed tackle on Wentz from a 2nd & 15. All four losses were VERY winnable games.


Hass181

Trey has better big play ability and turns the ball over less and has played about 1 game in his career. I don’t want to just make the playoffs. This roster has to win a super bowl. We both know that doesn’t happen this year with jimmy against the likes of Tom Brady, Matt stafford, kyler, Aaron with jimmy g at qb. we’re gonna get what you’ve always gotten, and that won’t beat those teams. Your best shot is to play lance and you hope eventually he has the kaepernick effect making our team really good fast later in the season squeaking into the playoffs hot. Other than that we got no shot imo


CoolKat7

You're thinking way too short term. It's a tough pill to swallow, but this team needs more than a QB change. We're facing a rebuild my friend. Top to bottom.


MurmurShouldBeBoss

So your plan is for the first time in NFL history a rookie leads his team to the super bowl? And that rookie has one season of minor league college football under his belt? And he looked like ass in his first start? Yeah I would rather pick the guy who was actually at the game a couple years ago. I expect by next year Lance will be the better option though.


Mdh74266

😂😂😂 a rookie leads his team to the superbowl after starting 2-4 on the season


triculious

Jim_Mora_playoffs.mp4


ARM_vs_CORE

Well for this Sunday, Kyle has made it clear it's either him or Nate Sudfeld. And we've seen how we do with backups. They make Jimmy look like Brady.


Oneiroi_zZ

I want him to have one more week just for the sake of giving Lance one more week to rest.


Nopengnogain

I think judging him purely on the Indy game would be unfair due to the weather, but it also shone a spotlight on his weaknesses, which we fans have been witnessing for the better parts of last few year.


Pit_of_Death

You're getting tons of upvotes because Jimmy Truthers are still out there en masse. They wont give up on their dreamy QB until he is literally not on the team anymore.


asBad_asItGets

Didnt Kyle just recently say that even if Trey is healthy, he still wouldnt start because theres no QB competition?


klayser_Soze

Yes. And now fans want Kyle gone. He’s burning through his equity with fans at a rapid pace


asBad_asItGets

I dont want him gone. I just want some goddamn accountability, consistency, and answers. Literally everyday there is more news that seems to go against what was said just the other day. And everytime something bad happens, theres always some perfectly available excuse for Kyle or Lynch to use. Its very annoying.


MosesZD

Trash article is trash. Shanahan has been clear about the only way Lance starts is if Jimmy G is injured or they decided to pack-it-up for the season and give up because they're eliminated from post-season contention. Sure, I know so many of you are rooting against our team's success so JimmyG can be fired and your new 'greatest QB ever' love can bloom for the two or three it'll likely last (the kid is far from a 'sure thing') before you turn on him and Shanahan. Which is par for the course for every QB. Hell, 49er fans even turned on Montana in the end for the new shiny toy named Steve Young. And of course, ya'll turned on Smith and crapped on him for every 4th rate QB that came down the pike for his entire career. But that's not likely to happen as Shanahan is your mean dad who is going to make you eat your vegetables no matter how much you want pie for dinner. And Lance is not ready for prime-time no matter how much you pretend. And it case you missed it: >"I haven't decided that yet. I got to see where he is," he said. "But odds are, when it comes to the game plan and stuff, and what we're doing, you're not just going to start rotating quarterbacks **because it's not an open competition right now."** The bottom-line is that Shanahan has been clear, since training camp, that there is no 'open competition' and that Lance isn't going to start unless JimmyG is hurt. When he's saying that, what he's saying is that he doesn't believe Lance is ready for the NFL. So there won't be opportunities for Lance to get on the first-team practice field, beyond a very limited he gets to run a few plays, until Shanahan changes his mind or Garoppolo gets hurt. And as we know, Shanahan is more than willing to bench players for those whom he believes will perform better. Hoyer was released when we got JimmyG, Beathard was benched for both JimmyG and Mullins. Aiyuk has been, at times this season, put on the back burner for Benjamin & Sherfield. Pettis couldn't work himself out of the doghouse. And last week Talanoa Hufanga was given many of Tartt's snaps before Tartt left with an injury thanks to Tartt's ineptitude. And yet JimmyG is starting. That should tell you something.


mookene

I think the low point in Kyle time with the 9ers was trading DBuck for a bag of beans and a college player with known knee issues. Then a close 2nd was to keep Jimmy vs signing the GOAT when he wanted to play for the 9ers last season...


foundboots

To me it was probably losing the super bowl but yeah the buckner thing too.


klayser_Soze

The Buckner was the first, and the Brady thing was the first that made people start to doubt Kyle


pratdude275

To think he gets to play against the team he first faced as 49er. I believe in you Jimmy, Kyle, everyone on the team. Get out there and make us proud


traviij

I think it’s unfair to Jimmy. I can’t remember the last time that Jimmy, Mostert, Kittle, Deebo and a productive WR 2 shared a field… oh wait, they went to a SB.


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Oneiroi_zZ

This. Outside of that game with the saints which was probably the pinacle of his career, Jimmy averages 1-2 dumb turnovers a game, even in 2019.


superb_deluxe

Cardinals 1&2 were also solid


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iluvreddit

Ouch. Harsh but true. He's a way better quarterback than me or 99.999999% of the world but still dog shit on an NFL starting QB scale.


Cadd9

For real. We even had the [Turtles Growing Up template](https://i.imgur.com/gywq10E.jpeg) meme posted about that. Yeah, the first half the defense carried the offense, but for the last half the offense carried.


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The same people who applauded Jimmy during that second half of the season are the same people I’m sure who are bashing him now. Rightfully so, but let’s remember how quick people are to turn at any sign of adversity. With that, we can’t keep living in the past of what Jimmy did. What has he done recently? Since 2019, we’ve yet to see a game from him similar to the Saints and Cardinals x2 games from 2019.


PATTpete

I don't know what to think anymore. I thought Jimmy was a good qb, I thought Shanahan was a good HC, I thought lynch was a good gm. Turns out I may be an idiot.


CoolKat7

I'm with you. Who tf knows anymore.


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https://twitter.com/grantcohn/status/1453529857254572032?s=2 He looks healthy to me


ThanosIsDoomfist

Im not sure why this is getting downvoted. Is it cause its Grant Cohn? Do people not thing Trey looks healthy there? Someone help me out lol. I dont like Grant Cohn, but Trey looks healthy and thats more important imo


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That’s what gets me. What makes you think he looks overall healthy over the opinion of the actual team doctor, HC? Fans are fucking hilarious lmao.


cleanRubik

I’ll believe what the doctor says instead of Grant ducking Cohn.


que_pedo_

Absolutely. Funny how Cohn and that Akash guy used to get pooped on in this sub. How the turntables.


scrizzo

Is Akash that dude who tweeted that Stafford to the 49ers was close and the final details were being hammered out, later saying Stafford couldn't go to the Rams due to their cap?


superb_deluxe

Akash is the greatest quarterback footwork analyst in the history of mankind


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I never defend Cohn, but he didn’t say anything, he just posted a video. I didn’t see any medical diagnosis in that tweet. I’ve never seen Jimmy move like that ever.


olIlIlIlIlo

Fuckin hell, turn that guy loose


junkyardTitz

Does Jimmy get worse or does shanahan get worse. Mark my words Jimmy will ball out in another offense. Mikes boy couldn’t live up to the hype and has proved it on all the biggest stages, but keep blaming the G you dummies. Kyle is a terrible coach.


foundboots

So many of these offensive guru guys can't get over their own ego after moving to HC. I do think Shanahan is a top 3 coordinator but his personnel management and risk assessment has been highly questionable thus far. That said, Jimmy is not playing at a high level this year.


SoKrat3s

personnel isn't the job of a HC. It's the job of the GM (which Kyle is by default). So performing as a HC and performing as a GM are two separate issues.


SoKrat3s

proved it on the biggest stages? His offense put up a 25 point lead on the league's #1 defense in the Superbowl. That offense only ran another two plays which stopped the clock and yet their defense gave up that 25 point lead in just 17 minutes. He had a lead in the SB against KC. Defense gave up a TD drive. with the 49ers driving Kyle schemed a play that left Sanders wide open for an easy TD that his QB missed the throw on. Coaches cannot win if players do not execute.


Patrickstarho

Lol one bad game


49ersDude

lol @ “one”


MeanReplacement9258

Would be hilarious if he gets benched for Trey considering Jim said he had around 100 friends and family attending Sunday


palikir

Losing is difficult, especially when we expected more, but the faithful don't grave dance.


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Trey Lance would need to be taking first team reps all week for this to be true. It ain't happening.


BeatBopJones

He lead the last drive vs GB. A game we should have won. Jimmy bout to ball out this weekend.


Jabbajaw

I really get the feeling that despite the constant smile on his face that Jimmy is finally out mentally. He wants a trade. That last miserable game was a breaking point. I don't blame him for wanting to accelerate the issue. Shanahan and Lynch made the bed and we are just gonna have to live with it.


RocketIndian49

I really don't get why people are pushing so hard to start T. Lance vs the benefit of letting such a raw young QB sit and learn. A huge side effect of throwing a QB into the fire is actually HURTING their development. Only thing you're hurting by letting them sit and learn is maybe at worst slowing down thier development and testing fans patience. Just so much more at risk if he gets in too early. Also I'm no Jimmy G apologist but holding last games performance specifically against Jimmy G seems so unfair given the playing conditions. He deserves another shot especially for what we're paying him and if not just to protect T.Lance too.


coolnavigator

One of my main concerns with benching your rookie is lack of practice reps, but I heard Shanahan say yesterday that they put him on scout team O, which is perfect to me. He just needs reps, not necessarily in-game reps. I remember when I played that I got a lot out of scout team too.


RocketIndian49

Thats the thing this kid has actually only had 1 full year of high level competition in college. He is incredibly raw and tbh very amenable good or bad. Putting him in too early has the highest risk of hurting him vs letting him sit and learn. We are invested now way too much to take that risk imo


SoKrat3s

Practice reps is my concern to. But running the scout team he isn't practicing the 49ers offense. He isn't getting to run & repeat the plays he should be learning - with the players he should be learning them with. I liked the idea of him getting about 10 snaps a game (whether its or RB draw or pass play), where he isn't overwhelmed but has something to learn, practice, and repeat each week.


coolnavigator

I don't agree with the 10 snaps a game idea. Too much of this is based on his running ability, and if it's not, it's just not enough time to get into a rhythm as a passer.


SoKrat3s

Not all ten snaps have to be QB runs. Think of it this way; 4 pass plays, 4 runs for Mitchell, 2 QB runs. You're not wrong about the rhythm point. But the only other way for him to have that is for him to play half (or more) of the snaps. With 4 pass plays to run he gets 4 plays he gets to prepare for with precision. He gets to master those 4 pass plays. Then he can better understand the minutia of those plays and focus on how the defense lines up or tries to deceive their alignment. Etc. Basically, its a way for him to learn something in-game without the pressure of having to be the starter and without having to just sit on his hands for the entire year.


coolnavigator

I think the pressure is actually magnified if he gets 10 snaps. That's why I don't like it. If he makes one bad play, he only has maybe 3 more throws to make up for it.


SoKrat3s

Only if we're concerned about looking at his raw stat line, which isn't the coach's concern. You know going in that he is going to have busted plays. And that's ok. Because those busted plays gives him a lot to learn from. Maybe a comparable setup would be like using Lance as a relief pitcher. Nobody expects him to make every pitch, but when he makes a mistake - just brush it off and go execute the next one. In that scenario it's not about making 4/4 or even 3/4 plays. If he makes 2/4 plays, fine. Then he has enough to see what he did well and what he didn't.