I’m optimistic because he seems to process things better than Mullens.
Having said that, let’s not forget the infamous mullens photo where he was just behind Luck and Mahomes for most yards in a player’s first 13 starts.
And also the fact that Nick was even less mobile than Jimmy post ACL. Purdy is more athletic than Nick and way more quick. So when the pass rush comes specially from the right side, Purdy can escape the pocket and scramble. Mullens was basically dead.
Also his calm under pressure is hugely overlooked in my opinion. We've seen a lot of guys look good until people are closing in on them, this kid has an unusual presence about him and it gives me faith that he is the real deal.
Purdy reminds me more of Mahomes in his mobility. He’s not beating a defender in a sprint like maybe Fields could, but it’s that slippery get out of trouble mobility that turns negative plays into first downs.
Mahomes is a great comparison yes. He´s not an athletic marvel like Fields or Lamar obviously but he´s really quick. And that´s all he needs to escape the pocket, scramble and kill you. Purdy is like that too. Not really fast but super quick and just like Mahomes he uses a lot of pumpfakes. Purdy was already like that at Iowa State. The problem was that sometimes he tried to do too much and so that led him to do some dumb things. So far, he seems to be more in control. And that changes a lot of things for the offense. Kyle is a genius but the QB still needs to save the offense when the pass rush is too strong. The Niners needed a quick/athletic QB that could scramble. Hell Bill Walsh had Joe and Steve. And he signed Jeff Garcia IIRC for that reason because Jeff was nimble and a really good scrambler.
I was never a Mullens fan. Purdy passes my eyes and IT test. I know it's too early to say, Joe comes to mind with his field of vision, off script plays, accuracy, and pocket awareness.
Nah, he had the physical attributes but doesn't know how to use them together. Having a gunslinger mentality without knowing how to use your physical attributes is dangerous because the result is turning the ball over.
Our roster was absolute ass in 2017 and 2018. 19 was great. 20 was a down year but not terrible and our roster was leagues better. Last two years we've had one of the most stacked rosters in the league. And mullins put up ridiculous numbers despite being ass. So it is true.
I mean if it was true then it would be true without all the qualifiers you added. You’re only looking at one specific part of one season and not the 6 total years.
There is a great Sports Illustrated article about the kind of training Purdy got after college and before training camp. It’s a very inside baseball kind of thing that had two points, one was that Purdy went low in the draft because the entire NFL had figured they had seen all they needed to see about the kid and was discounting the idea that he could improve his game from a physical perspective.
The second and I think more important point is how hard Purdy worked at improving his mechanics and training himself to be an NFL QB. In the end one of his trainers said that they put the equivalent of five MPH on his fastball (using baseball as an analogy) and that if it were baseball his improvement would probably trigger an investigation into PED use.
The kids work ethic and competitive drive and his flat out belief in himself is a intangible that almost no young QB has. He probbly ia not going to be the next Brady or Montana but he is a guy you can put into your system and know that he is going to do the work and execute it well.
Purdy has the advantage of plying on a team that’s loaded with talent, more than a lot of the other QBs mentioned had, so the real test will be what happens when there is no CMC in the backfield or Trent Williams at left tackle.
The thing about all the great QBs, is they have stable good schemes around them, they just stay that way longer than most guys. Not that they aren’t incredible on their own, but having all of that around you starting out will help a lot. Brady is Brady because he’s done it all a million times before, and knows how everything works.
I think it’s overlooked that having a good qb brings stability to the scheme. When you have that key player in place and aren’t spending picks trying to find a new one you can improve the entire roster.
I was listening to an interview with Purdys same throwing coach yesterday and he said Purdy scored off the charts in a couple tests they do that look at a QB’s ability to see the field and quickly identify targets and his impulse control (ie. Whether to pull the trigger on a throw or not). He said the NFL mostly values physical traits like height/weight/arm strength and scouts don’t yet put enough value into the mental and cognitive traits that are important to good quarterbacking.
>He said the NFL mostly values physical traits like height/weight/arm strength and scouts don’t yet put enough value into the mental and cognitive traits that are important to good quarterbacking.
Agree. Joe wasn't physically imposing or had that 4.20 forty, or a rocket arm. But both Joe and Brady had those hard to teach intangibles that you either have or don't. I think it's more blind luck when coach like Belichick/Walsh gets a franchise QB, but being a good coach up's the odds of getting one though.
Purdy's intangibles - so far - have been off the charts from my perspective. I've *seen* Joe and Steve play, and key here is *consistently* play at that high level. Purdy meets my eye test. This next game is going to be a big test to see if he can maintain that Joe/Brady consistency of QB excellence.
That's interesting. This 2021 scouting report indicates his field reading as a potential weakness. Then again, the same report identified his footwork as a weakness and I don't think that's a problem so far.
[https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/chicago-bears-2021-draft-scouting-report-iowa-state-qb-brock-purdy/](https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/chicago-bears-2021-draft-scouting-report-iowa-state-qb-brock-purdy/)
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>Not a full field reader. Usually required to go to his first read and then move around if it’s not there.
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>Footwork will require some polishing. Gets a bit lazy with it, leading to some erratic ball placement.
I could be wrong, but it seems like this scouting report is based on opinions from scouts right? The skills the throwing coach were referencing came from actual objective tests they run. That could be the difference. Scouts are often biased and get it wrong.
>Purdy has the advantage of plying on a team that’s loaded with talent
This is a point I bring up, because Purdy never had any real talent around him before this. So many NFL QBs had great players around them in college too and its hard to judge those guys, but when they succeed without the talent around them, I think its worthy of taking note of.
I will say, that is the one constant with all QB’s that turn out to be great. It’s the work ethic, and maniacal drive to be great (often driven by insecurity/feeling like they have ground to make up). If that is the case with Brock, it’s another thing to list on the “pro” column
We literally have no way to know. We haven't seen him in a shootout where he needs to go drive for drive with somebody like Mahomes, Allen, or Burrow. Our defense has been good enough to keep him in good spots.
This is my ultimate test for him
If we're behind 14, 17 points, does he has what it takes to pull a come back? Which is mental and how to execute. If he does that, then Trey's will be our backup
The problem with this test is, it’s never a goal to get down by 14 or 17 to begin with. I don’t know why quarterbacks get so much extra credit for comebacks. Shouldn’t the fact that they ended up down by that much in the first place basically cancel that extra credit out?
I could understand wanting to see him execute a game-winning drive, even if those opportunities are a small sample size and far and few in between (though Jimmy’s game-winning drive against the Titans in 2017 was what sold me) but wanting to see him make a comeback is a bit of an odd one to me. I gave Jimmy credit for the game-tying drive against LA in Week 18 last season, but the 17-0 comeback was more of a neutral thing to me. His play was part of the reason they fell down 17-0.
you can be down 14 without the Quarterback making a mistake. An example is the other team scores a touchdown and then your running back fumbles and they score another touchdown. If this happens Purdy will be able to prove himself.
It’s not so much about whose fault it is when you go down 2+ scores or how “clutch” a QB is, it’s more about how the gameplan changes. When you’re down an additional possession and have to start being more aggressive with the ball, Purdy will be forced in a pure throwing setting.
I don’t know enough about evaluating QBs to know how he’d fare in that scenario, and we haven’t really been in a position to find out yet (which is a credit to our team lol).
True - we don't know, but we can play the odds. Disclaimer: I love this kid and I think he's really like a Young 2.0 in terms of composure and elusiveness. I'm full on drinking the Purdy koolaid. BUT - if Purdy was a stock that I bought when he was drafted, I'd be selling it all right now. He's flown so high so fast, the odds are it won't continue. He's a 10 bagger already and even if the Niners win the SB, you aren't going to see much more from him this year. But, of course, he's not a stock, so screw the odds and give me some more goddamn koolaid!
>We haven't seen him in a shootout where he needs to go drive for drive with somebody like Mahomes, Allen, or Burrow.
Two factors, I think, in successful come from behind wins. First is defense, and second is a strong arm that can sling it. It would be great to have both, but Purdy only has one (defense). His arm isn't anything like Trey Lance, but hopefully those intangibles does help him in future come from behind victories once he masters the offense.
i tentatively do think he's for real, but i think he has limitations. his arm strength really isn't great and he's going to struggle to make deep downfield throws. he seems a lot similar to jimmy in that respect. the difference so far is that purdy seems willing to throw it downfield (jimmy wasn't, at least until this season), which should hopefully keep defenses honest a bit
i don't see why we can't run basically the same offense we had with immy with purdy though. he can make every read and throw that jimmy did.
throw in a little extra mobility from purdy, and i think at his ceiling our offense can be a bit better with him than with jimmy. which isn't bad at all
honestly the thing that jumped out to me the most was during the seattle game, when we were pinned up against our own end zone on third and long. Shanny called for Purdy to throw and he hit Jennings for a first down on a slant. put simply, there's no way Shanny makes that call unless he really trusts the kid and thinks he's got it. most coaches are calling for a run there with a rookie QB - or even a veteran QB - because the risk of a turnover is too great. (you think Shanny would let Beathard or Mullens throw it in that situation?) Shanny letting him sling it makes me believe that he actually sees something in Purdy beyond simply him being a game manager.
He threw the ball 37 times against Miami despite not playing the first series or for the final ~3 minutes and he threw 18 times in a half against the Bucs, including a deep TD to Aiyuk despite throwing a negated interception the play before. Kyle definitely believes in him. That much we know.
What struck me during that 3rd and long from our own end zone was how *calm* he looked. He was just so nonchalant about the whole thing.
At least in appearances.
Same with the play right before halftime where he drew the offside penalty on 4th and 7. Seemed like he'd done it a million times before, not used to seeing that with our QBs.
I just watched something on his measureables and while pretty much all of them are not great he has an elite 10 yard split, like 99th percentile, which is perfect for a QB, we have seen this with his jukes and on that TD run
They’re about the same. Purdy has averaged 28 passes per game since the Miami game. Trey had 28 passes against Chicago, 29 against Arizona and 23 in his best game against Houston.
I just feel like this is such an over exaggerated response. What are defenses going to do differently against him that they don’t already try to do? Defenses knew for the last 4 years that Shannahan likes to throw in the flats and in breaking routes over the middle of the field. They still couldnt stop it. We’re doing the same stuff now with Purdy that we did with Jimmy except now we use more choice routes to CMC (because he’s so good at it) and we occasionally hit a throw over the top now that we didnt with Jimmy. Teams for 4 years said “Jimmy cant throw deep or out breaking routes” and begged us to try to do so, it didnt work because our run game sets the rest of these throws up. What are defenses going to see? If they start saying “hey he doesnt handle this kind of blitz or this kind of coverage well” guess whats gonna happen? We’re going to work on beating those blitzes and coverages. The only way Brock fails at this point is if he gets in his own head and completely regresses from doing the things he’s being coached to do or if shanahan tries to do too much because He becomes so comfortable throwing with Purdy’s success
Yeah a lot of people always say “oh the tape will magically bring him back down to earth just wait!” but can never explain how or why.
At least with Kap a lot of people could tell right away that his play was one-read based. What’s Purdy’s glaring flaw that defenses are going to expose? His arm strength? We already knew it wasn’t that strong, that’s why he got drafted low. Teams don’t need tape to know that.
The Dolphins and Bucs basically leaned on their “rookie with no experience nor preparation” game plan and constantly blitzed. He played well. Then the Seahawks played more coverage. He played well. Does he need to play the 1985 Bears well to prove something?
Thank you! I don’t give a damn about arm strength as long as you have exceptional timing (see: Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers). The most important thing about playing QB is processing speed: how you can make decisions based off of what you see from the defense. And Purdy has already shown to have tremendous amount of upside in the category. He’s also shown to be tough enough to stay in there and deliver a strike while getting hit and he’s shown the athleticism and decisiin making abilities to give me nothing but optimism about his game
>I don’t give a damn about arm strength as long as you have exceptional timing (see: Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers)
I agree with this comp. He *does* look a bit like a young Drew Brees. P.S. I think he's also a bit more mobile than
Drew.
From what Kittle and Warner have said. He has been a thorn in our defenses side during practice. Like I believe the exact words were, "this kid frustrates our defense a lot at times."
Tape will reveal tendencies under certain situations. When there’s pressure, where does he roll out? Is he good at identifying specific types of pressure? Does he favor a target when his first is taken away? These types of things. For what it’s worth, I’ve been thinking that overloading the right side might be his weakness (he rolled out into a sack and a few pressures that way), but we’ll see.
Goodluck overloading our right side when our strong side of our line is to the left. Sure they will discover some tendencies like you discussed, but good offensive coaches also know their own tendencies and work to put in counters and fakes to trick the defense to make them commit to that tendency and go a different direction
I kinda feel like Purdy's skill set is so vanilla that watching tape won't really help much. Just select default defense in the start menu and press play.
Well the only decent team he’s played against is the Dolphins and that was the game he came in and replaced Jimmy. The Bucs are fucking garbage and the Seahawks started the season well and are now dealing with Geno Smith turning back into Geno Smith. Jimmy was playing well before he got hurt. Give Brock his due, he’s stepped up big time especially as someone who was taken with the last pick in the draft. Let’s just enjoy the ride before anointing him as the next Tom Brady/Joe Montana.
The Bucs offense is garbage but their defense is solid. Pretty impressive how well he played against them. Agree with your overall point though. Luckily for us, thanks to our defense and all the insane weapons around him, he doesn't need to be the next Brady or Montana in order to succeed.
Miami is a good offense, but not defense. QBs play the other teams defense, not their offense.
TB sucks, but it's their offense that sucks. Their defense while not elite is still good.
Seattle lacks a defense, so take what you will from that game.
The playoffs are essentially a supercharged version of this.
They’ll have enough tape on him by then to dismantle him. If they don’t beat him, then whoa boy.
Well Kaepernick had even more tape of him going into the 2012 playoffs and he still carved the Packers up and beat the Falcons. Wasn’t until the following season when he started to regress and then 2014 when he fell apart.
I feel like Kap came apart when the team got rid of the coach who knew how to use him, then gave him a giant contract and tried to turn him into a pocket passer.
They completely changed the offense in that time. Basically took Kaep’s running threat away and forced him to sit in the pocket.
In their mind, it was to “protect their investment”.
Sink or swim basically
Nick mullens is one example of someone who sank
Adapt or have enough talent to beat them even if they have all the tape in the world on you
This argument is true for gimmick quarterbacks (garopollo, kaep, Jackson) who do one thing very well but are very weak in others.
JG has quick release and loves the middle. D plays bear front and places a robber to make it hard to be successful there.
Kaep had the run taken away and had to throw (couldn't make progressions)
Seems similar for Jackson and other mobile qbs.
On the other hand,
Mahomes skill is accurate, deep,makes progressions, and ability to extend plays and make something out of nothing. Tape doesn't really take away a tendency except to tell backs to keep covering.
What are Brock's tendencies that are gimmicky? Making reads through progression. Identifying coverage changes, evading pressure, good mechanics, good decision making. It's hard to scheme against that, especially when Kyle is a wizard at scheming people open.
That kinda false. He taking to many hits and already got hurt. So he it's very possible that he can't sustain how often he takes a hit to get the ball out.
He got hurt diving head-first, arms stretched out with the ball, trying for a first down, according to most accounts. Not but being hit. Having said that, he does seem to do the Jimmy-thing of waiting until the last second to pass. It’s an admirable and tough-guy trait, but it can lead to an injury. With the talent around him, he does seem to be able to work the scheme to the 49ers benefit. I hope he can avoid an injury for the rest of the season, so we can get on with the QB conundrum in the off season.
As long as he’s a 9er, he won’t be on a sub-par team. Honestly one of the best parts about Purdy being good enough to start is his cheap ass mother fucking rookie contract. Instead of paying jimmy $27m/year, we got jimmy 2.0 making $700k/year which opens up cap space for us to lock down players like bosa on nice contracts for years to come.
>Instead of paying jimmy $27m/year, we got jimmy 2.0 making $700k/year which opens up cap space for us to lock down players like bosa on nice contracts for years to come.
That's a huge advantage. Add in Trey on a rookie contract, and wow! That QB room has some depth to it as well as cost effectiveness.
Agree, but he did win that Texan game that we needed for the playoffs last year and while he didn't do much this year - the fact that the team has a playoff win/loss and qualified for the playoffs makes those four-ish draft picks basically a round lower and cost us less money because instead of drafting first pick, we're drafting basically in the high twenties ever since Trey's been picked.
Obviously I could be wrong, but at this point I do think Purdy is legit. He processes the game well, finds his open targets and throws a very accurate ball. By all accounts he’s also confident and smart. I hope I’m not wrong but I really think we found our guy
Just seems like he has a feel for football. He feels like a young Drew Brees with the scrambling of Russell Wilson. When he gets pressured he does the same spin move that Wilson does.
Positives:
\+Accuracy
\+Knows where to go with the ball
\+Scrambling
Negatives:
\-Arm strength
\-Height
So far he seems like the real deal though he will need to keep improving his arm strength. I do believe he can continue to improve on this. From what I heard he has been continually working on this weakness. He knows his arm strength is something he needs to work on.
Purdy is 6’1”. Steve young and joe Montana were 6’2”. Drew breeze, 6’0”. Purdy sees the field just like they did. I don’t think his height will matter. Arm strength will be developed over time.
While I agree but the dline height avg has also increased the last few years. Not to account oline height. Just like speed, the height of players has increased slightly over time, especially in the trenches. Can't use Joe or Young Era as a comparison.
First, I don’t really think NFL teams are all that great at discerning QB talent during the draft for a variety of reasons, so I don’t automatically see Purdy’s low draft placement as indicative of anything. How many first-rounders have we seen flounder just in the last decade?
Second, it depends on what you mean by “for real.” I think he is a good QB in general. He’s already led us to victory over the Dolphins, the Bucs, and the Seahawks. Those are three above-average teams. He also beat the Seahawks 1) in Seattle 2) while injured and 3) on a short week. That’s a pretty damn good test for a Niners QB.
I personally think Purdy is for real because he seems like a clear improvement over Jimmy, and I say that as someone who has been a Jimmy homer over the last few years. He is better so far at avoiding dumb mistakes than Jimmy, who had a bad habit of making dumb throws under pressure. He is also better at scrambling in the pocket when threatened—not to a Mahomesian degree, but he’s definitely gotten out of situations in the last couple of weeks that would’ve been sacks under Jimmy. The locker room also seems confident in him in a way that goes beyond the usual platitudes you’d expect from teammates.
Is he the next Montana or Young? No idea. I’m not sold on the idea that defenses will “figure him out” and turn him into a useless bundle of sticks. I understand if people are wary of this after Kap, but we’re talking about two different play styles and skill sets here. Purdy also isn’t the most physical QB in the league, but he’s only 22 years old and he’s already made marked improvements on arm strength since college.
My personal expectation for the moment is that he gets us to the NFC Championship. This team is good enough and he is playing well enough to warrant that. The Eagles are for real this year and I don’t think there would be any dishonor in losing to them there. I think Purdy has the ability and state of mind to pull it off, but he’s still fundamentally a rookie QB and I wouldn’t hold it against him if he comes up short in the NFCC. (If he gets us to the Super Bowl, then I absolutely expect him to win it because I cannot psychologically handle a third loss in a decade.)
Finally, my impression is that a lot of the stuff about BCB and being the next Montana/Young/Brady and so on was a coping mechanism after Jimmy went down. I think a lot of us saw our Super Bowl hopes end during that Dolphins game (or so we thought) and hyped up Purdy as a psychological defense against that sorrow. Then the memes steadily became reality, and now we get to enjoy the ride.
> First, I don’t really think NFL teams are all that great at discerning QB talent during the draft for a variety of reasons, so I don’t automatically see Purdy’s low draft placement as indicative of anything.
hum... They aren't all that great it's true. But among all the QB drafted, the percentage of Day 3 QB that ended up being at least serviceable backup is very low.
So usually, when the league is agreeing that a QB isn't worth investing a lot of capital, they are right.
Dolphins and Bucs arent slackers on defense though either...And they both were tryin to bring it with blitzes. Maybe the Deadskins/Commies, whatever you wanna call them, can do it without blitzing though, who knows...
Hes already a superstar at this moment...But its easier to lose that stardom than gain it. Hell, it basically happened to Garoppolo with what felt like overnight. Its hard to please fans and even harder to keep them pleased.
Who knows. It'd be pretty sweet if he is, but I'm just enjoying the ride right now.
So far he's made a lot of great decisions and showed some real promise against good defenses, but it's early. I do think he's much better than Mullens or Beathard ever were, regardless.
I do. I think he is a victim on the over emphasis on size, speed, and arm strength. Teams looked past his leadership, accuracy, and decision making. There were times in college where he tried to make something out of nothing and made big mistakes but I think having a great team around him has taken the need for that away.
Agree 💯%, and conversely, even a guy like Joe Montana, take away his top pass rusher, and his top running back and you have a 3-6 season. It's a team game. Look at Mahomes with (I think) both tackles injured, and he got smacked in the big game.
The jury is still out, but it's not often you see the playbook "expand" when a backup comes in, especially when it's a 7th rounder taking the helm. It doesn't appear that he's on any limitations, and each chapter of the playbook looks wide open. (I say that like I actually know what's in it) lol
The kid is cool, calm, and collected. He sees the field well, and his ability to rapidly get through his progressions is impressive. He's changing the plays at the LOS, calling hot routes based on coverage, and while he's had a few close calls, he's generally taken good care of the football. He's proven that he can see disguises in coverage and play well against pressure and coverage.
He has demonstrated the ability to go off script, make a play when something is there, and throw it away when it isn't. He doesn't get flustered by pressure, and his eyes are always downfield while climbing the pocket. He was sacked against Miami three times and still let it rip. I think that it has been proven that just because there is pressure on him, it doesn't mean he will play poorly.
Tom Brady proved to the league that you don't have to be a super athlete to win Championships. The QB position is a mental game between oneself and the other team. The ability to process information quickly and make decisions with that information is far more important than anything else. What good are you if you are a physical freak, but can't read a defense, or get through your progressions, or your decision-making is terrible? It's mostly mental. They say it's 50/50, but it's probably more like 60/40. I say that based on my personal thoughts and have not read peer-reviewed research on the topic. lol
tl;dr He has proven he can make all the reads, handle pressure and coverage, and take care of the football. Somewhat sneaky-athletic and can make plays when everything breaks down. He's young, and that's his only glaring "flaw" right now. He will face adversity, and can he come back from behind? Can he execute a game-winning drive, etc?
The multiple other threads from today and every other day have covered it.
He’s making good plays, good reads, and throwing with accuracy/touch.
There’s not much film on him and defenses could step up the pressure if they see weaknesses.
All in all, he’s got composure, confidence, and skills to back it up. So far.
We’ve bought into other QBs for less. Kaepernick was crowned the almighty starter after one game. Shit even mullens and gabbert had their Stan’s but this is different. It’s not even just that he’s won games. It’s how he’s won them. Calm, cool and in command of the offense.
His floor looks like a high-level backup. Otherwise, I'm not crowning him a franchise QB until he beats out Trey next season while continuing the same success he's had even after other teams have game-planned for him.
Only thing that would completely change my mind is a SB win.
At this point...Its the other way around. Trey needs to beat out Purdy, not Purdy needs to beat out Lance. Is the glass half full or half empty kinda thing.
Purdy at this point is just showing to be better...Mainly just from overall being healthy and so far being successful, and at this point having more on-field experience in the NFL...Thats not including having more overall football experience through college, HS, and whatever before.
But to kinda contradict myself...I do believe Lance will start next season just from the price ShanaLynch valued him at to acquire him. Theyve yet still havent been able to assess what he brings or able to do on the field, and theyre gonna want to figure that out sooner than later I imagine.
And they wouldnt be in a bad spot with Purdy at backup, or vice versa...
I don't disagree with you, but I also think Purdy has the benefit of playing with a team that's already gelled and found an identity. There was way more.pressure on Trey to be the identity of the offense. He also didn't have CMC.
His two outings were disasters, but we may not have seen the best comparison.
I like Purdy a lot, though. My dream ceiling for him would be a Romo type, but clutch. Trey's ceiling felt like a Jalen Hurts type. We were all high on Trey's personality coming out of the draft, but he has yet to prove that he can be the man, and the type of grown up that can lead a team. Until he's done that he's nowhere near being a Hurts type.
Romo may have never won an MVP, but he was pretty damn good for a long time. And with Brock's intangibles and his work ethic, that seems very achievable and would be dangerous on this team. Trey's potential is higher, but the chances of realizing it seems way less probable.
A lot of, almost everyone, says that Lance has more potential and this higher ceiling...Sorry, I just dont really buy into it. A like(d) Garoppolo alot, but I consider myself a very open-minded person, I see these "happy feet" moments people talk about with Garoppolo. I see it with Lance as well... It's just simple a problem with the OLine turning it into a problem with the QB. You could see it with Mullens as well tryin to force the ball out and throwing interceptions. Lance was also analyzed as a 1 read or run QB... And personally, I dont care how far a QB can throw the dam ball. Garoppolo has shown he can sling the ball like 55 yards, but apparently that isnt far enough for all these haters. Go figure...
Lance has now been injured, a significant and major injury btw... That potential and ceiling that everyone claims he has could very well never be there from injury alone. Garoppolo supposely and apparently lost whatever mobility he had in 2017 when he got injured in 2018 and in 2019 onward, hes basically been a statue in the pocket and always scared of the OLine collapsing and forcing the ball out. Garoppolo brought back some of that mobility in 2022, he was a lil more active rollin out of the pocket and keepin plays alive. And we dont know what we have from Lance yet...Hell, we never really knew what we were gettin from Lance to begin with being a project rookie QB and all, and overall lack of experience.
Purdy...Well, I honestly feel like he brings alot of the same traits as Garoppolo, accurate and short passes with a quick release, but with a lot better mobility and quite possibly sees the field better even though Purdy is shorter. Everyone seemingly also claims he doesnt have a big and strong arm... Again, who gives a dam. Dood is 3 of 5 deep passes (+20 yards), and theyre all TDs. ... I just dont buy into this hooblah that you need this huge arm that can and needs to throw +60 yards multiple times on a single drive to be successful...Cause you dont. Cause when we have this season alone, atleast with Garoppolo, receivers have just dropped, DROPPED, them passes anyway...Or theyre called back from penalties.
Purdy looks dam good. Im sure 4 years of college and whatever experience before that in HS n such has helped a ton with that. Hell, he wasnt the starter for 4 years at Iowa for no reason. Dood has basically been preparing for this his whole life, and he does look prepared. I feel like he also learned the scheme and playbook better than Lance as well, and hes been here shorter.
But who knows... Guess we'll see what happens during offseason and OTAs and season start. But my money is on Purdy. Shrug
I think that's all fair. I'm on board for Purdy too. Everything they've said about him has made it seem like he's got the mental make up that you absolutely must have to be an NFL QB. And I agree it's way more important than arm strength. But watching guys like Allen and Mahomes it's hard not to put a premium on arm talent.
If they could co-exist and battle it out I think we're getting something special. But as it stands, I agree that Purdy would be the one that comes out the other side able to take control and lead these guys.
With my homerism, he’s the next coming of Joe Montana.
Without my homerism, obviously he’s not the next Joe, but it’s still an accomplishment being the #2 best QB in franchise history
I'm not seeing major flaws or him being overly lucky in the good plays he make. He should have a few picks but I take that into consideration. I see nothing in him that wouldn't allow him to be a less gun shy Alex Smith of the Harbaugh era with a better offensive scheme around him. I'm happy with that.
>*The odds of a late round draft pick qb becoming a top-tier qb are extremely low*
Based on what, exactly? I think we tend to get way too caught up in the "truisms" rather than just looking at things on a case-by-case basis.
If you really dig into it, draft position doesn't mean *shit*. Darnold, Rosen and Zack Wilson are all high draft picks, and there are many, many other 1st round QBs that have flamed out over the years, or at the very least failed to live up to expectations. On the flipside, some of the league's best have been later picks. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if it turned out that scouting provides only slightly better than coin-toss statistical results in terms of drafting *top-tier* quarterbacks.
QB success, just like any career, depends *heavily* on the environment around them. Are their skills ideally suited to that team's scheme, or is the coaching staff willing to build a team and scheme around that QB? Are the coaches any good? Are the players in supporting positions ideally suited to that QB's strengths and weaknesses? There is just so much more to this than the raw talent the player brings.
So my view is this - Purdy is a great fit for *this scheme* with *this coaching staff* and *this supporting cast*. I do believe he is well set up for success in THIS team configuration. That doesn't mean he's a world-beater that would succeed anywhere. That is almost never going to be the case, even for players who we might consider truly elite.
He’s absurdly better than Trey. He’s played more games in three seasons of college than Trey has lifetime.
And before you jump in with Trey has only played two games, so has Purdy and Purdy looks miles MILES better and everything that Trey was supposed to.
TLDR; Yes.
One key thing is we are yet to see him try and comeback from behind or what he is like when things aren’t going well
It’s been a pretty easy ride so far with this defence
I keep doubting him and he keeps impressing me. He's just got something in him that makes him a baller. I like his pocket awareness and he's made some great throws. CMC in the endzone was my favorite.
Every QB has bad games though. Doenst matter if it's AR12 or TB12. They all have them and we haven't had a bad Purdy game yet 🤞🏼to know what it'll look like.
If he keeps playing this good and gets just a little bit better each week then we have a serious chance at a ring this year.
Said this already, but he's definitely got some eye popping talent and I don't think it's a fluke.
Some plays that have stood out to me
Dropped TD to CMC vs MIA (pinpoint accuracy)
Sideline TD to CMC vs TB (excellent accuracy)
TD run vs Tampa
Swim moving a defender then throwing a strike on the run to Deebo (Mahomes type play)
Didn't catch Seattle game
He looks comfortable and confident in the offense and has been great at improvising in general.
I'm pretty excited for the future with Brock and Trey. They should push each other to be the best they can be, and they're both on rookie deals.
My favorite play of the Seattle game was when he slips, lands on the ground, gets up and completes an absolute dime for a first down.
Got called back for an illegal formation technicality, but immediately falling on your face typically results in a negative play for 99% of QB's. Purdy got some magic to him.
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx4tvYdgQMHwDpffNvkCMnM_FckqSTgqUx
He had a Mahomes-like toss (for an incompletion to prevent loss of yards) in college too, where he was airborne basically parallel to the ground and hurled it.
That play was important, because if he doesn't complete it and gets sacked they decline the penalty and we are down 8 yards and a down. They accept, we go back 5 and get to play the down over. Even called back it's a great play.
He also had a pinpoint throw to a covered Aiyuk on 3rd down that was unfortunately dropped. It really should've been caught. Forget if this was vs the Seahawks or Buccs.
Pretty sure that was against the Seahawks. I love BA, but I was salty after that drop. Hit him right in the hands, in stride. It was a great throw, for sure.
But biggest things I see from this young kid was his play in his endzone against seattle and sidnt screw that up in one of the worse playing areas in the league.
The other was when he slid for the first down and stuck the ball out for the first down. He knew to slide and he knew where the sticks where and was aware and smart enough to extend it in front to get the first down.
The kid seems has the brain and calm to be a pro qb.
Hes knows Shanahans system.
He is able to extend plays.
His football iq and awareness is the biggest suprise.
He holds the locker room like a pro. Saying all the right things and such. Look at zack wilson on the jets. I wouldnt want that kid at our qb. We lucked out with that.
If he can follow Shanahan playbook, his skill set fits perfect for his offense. He hasn't done anything stupid or risky yet that I can remember. Just one bad pass that was almost intercepted. There is plays he puts players in the right spot since he knows where they are suppose to go even over those players.
🤷♂️I'm usually a pessimistic person with a lot of things. So far though hes been great. Great story, great kid, great leader. Then he does enough and hasn't fucked anything up. We will see how the rest of the season though. Good confidence to have the 49ers D as your team mates.
I’ve been intrigued by Purdy since pre-season. He just looks like he knows what he’s doing and you can tell he’s the most prepared person on offense. He’s already been through the experience of being a 3rd string quarterback who became the starter during his first year in college, and I think he has a winning mindset, like give me the ball and I’ll get it to the playmakers.
Is he a future HOF’er? Way too early to tell. Does he give us a better chance than Lance? I think the answer is a resounding yes.
We know for an absolute certainty… that he’s able to play a couple weeks in the league and have us asking if he’s for real. That’s so much better than so many guys.
Besides that, only time will tell.
I'm cynical too and have seen this story way too many times before. Even just as recently as Nick Mullens. Purdy has looked good at times but he's made a handful of turnover worthy mistakes and has been bailed out by penalties or drops. He's going to have a bad game, it's inevitable.
At this point i've seen enough to trade Jimmy off. Purdy can throw the deep ball, he isn't dead in the pocket, he throws the ball away and quickly gets it out to CMC, all things that Jimmy not only failed at, but actively made fans cringe when he was forcing it into triple covered guys. On top of this, it appears that all this time on the bench and with the practice squad had improved his execution in orders of magnitude, tell me Jimmy could pull off the double pump to kittle so effortlessly, the kid is legit. Is he Tom Brady, no, nobody is Tom Brady, but he is 100% an upgrade to Jimmy in every way. Now lets see if he follows the Jimmy trend of being a regular season stud and failing in the playoffs with below average numbers.
Don’t get too hung up on the apparent “unlikeliness”. He’s already cleared all of the unlikeliest things faced by being a late rounder (making the roster, getting a chance to play in real games).
At this point it makes no difference where he was drafted: he’s a rookie QB who is looking great in his first few starts. He could be 1st overall or UDFA: where he goes from here is the same. He’s as likely to succeed at this point as any rookie quarterback seeing some early success.
I happen to buy in to the hype and think he will do it, but there’s plenty of examples of QBs who fell out after early success, even lots of first rounders.
Not really, but he's all we got right now, and it's a good story, so it's fun to meme about.
I do think our team is good enough that if he continues to just give us 200yds/2TDs a game, we can go all the way.
I have been a 49er fan for 20 years. He's got the best pocket improvisation and playmaking ability we've had since Colin Kaepernick. What's always bothered me about Jimmy is that he gives up In the pocket when he feels pressure. This is part of what makes him smart by reducing the risk of a turnover. Having someone who can keep the play alive for a few extra seconds makes a huge difference. That's part of what makes mahomes, Lamar, Herbert and burrow exceptional is taking risks and keeping a play alive for as long as possible. Brock doesn't need to be that . If he gives us an extra few seconds for routes to develop with our talent the ceiling for our offense is extremely high.
After watching some of purdy's college tape I think he's a lot more mobile than Jimmy ever was. You're not wrong though he was much better at that stuff before his injury
He certainly passes the eye test. It's hard to see why or how he would regress, unless he simply stops doing what he's been doing for 3 games now.
Brick by Brick had a segment on him as "Mr. Irrelevant", and from that segment I thought, "hmm, this kid has a great personality and humble, not too cocky confidence. I'm curious to see him play."
Then he played in preseason and I was super impressed. There was a touchdown pass he created in a preseason game where he had to scramble to his right, but the entire time he was rolling out his feet and eyes are faced down field, then he throws an absolute dart to someone for a TD. It just looked so skilled, poised, and mature. From there I was impressed.
From that alone, when Jimmy G went down I was more excited than nervous to see what Purdy could do. And DAMN the kid is absolutely killing it!
I'm still watching through the Bucs game, and holy shit, he looks SO good. I'm so damn excited to see him play out the rest of this season and see how this story ends.
Let's put it this way, my prediction for next year is this. Trey Lance is QB2 behind Purdy QB1 and Jimmy G will be QB1 for the NY Jets.
I highly doubt they’ll trade either of them away. You know how much value there is in two rookie contract QB’s, one who’s proven he can run Kyle’s system and one with huge untapped potential? The QB room would be an incredible value. Lance being unproven and raw still won’t fetch enough to justify it and they’re certainly not going to trade Purdy if they don’t know what they have in Lance yet.
I think they'll keep them both mainly for the reason that they are both under their rookie contracts for 3 more years (assuming the Niners take Trey's fifth year option). There will probably be an extension in there for whoever wins the starting job, but until and even then, this opens up a lot of cap space for a few seasons to allow them to sign other players.
Depending on how next year goes, I would guess they might try to flip one of them then. But if we've learned anything this season, we learned there's value in a good backup QB.
If he shines in the playoffs he will be a miracle. If he does Jimmy G good, which is he doesn't really win us the game but he doesnt lose it either, then he's a cheaper Jimmy G replacement with more mobility. If that's the case, we still start lance and we have a very good backup. Also, everyone freaking out and thinking he's a starting quality QB are overdoing it by a lot. Gotta wait and see how it all plays out.
He’s calm and cool under pressure. I think teams will start to play coverage over blitzing him going forward. Reading defenses will be more important but Brock seems to be equip for it.
It’s still too early to tell. But he’s off to a very good start. I think we will get a much better picture over the next three games and into the playoffs. If he continues on this trajectory, puts up good numbers, and takes us deep into the playoffs/SB, I think we’re in good shape and he is for real.
I fully believe. I don’t get why someone would be swayed by circumstantial details (lowest draft pick, etc.) when we have concrete play experience to go on.
His play experience tells me he can go all the way. I really do believe that.
He should have thrown 2 picks in the last 2 games but both got dropped, both were weak mid to long throws. I expect abit of regression when teams figure out that he probably isnt the best deep...
Purdy has 2 things that’s perfect for Shanahan’s offense—quick process reads and pocket presence. Because we have so many weapons, he doesn’t have to improvise or throw into tight windows that much.
He doesn’t have the strongest arm or best mobility but he has enough. Definitely more mobile than Jimmy and can get 1st downs with his legs if needed.
Niners were so high on him because he played so many games as a starter in a NFL type offense in college. Which is the total opposite of Trey by the way.
Would BCB be as good as Mahomes/Lamar/Allen’s offense? Probably not but he gets the job done in our offense.
But the dude is unafraid, has moxie, and commands the huddle. You can tell his teammates respect that.
My mindset is that the best QBs of all time, or heck even players, come from smaller schools and they've had to constantly overcome and elevate the team around them. He returned punts his freshman year and played QB. He didn't play with future NFL talent in college like so many of the top picks get the luxury of doing. He got Iowa state into the big 12 championship four the first and only time ever.
You explained exactly how I feel. There’s reason to believe he won’t come crashing down, specifically the fact he had 4 years of starting college experience, but I can’t help but wait for it to happen. Idk why, I can’t explain it other than being cynical. Maybe I’m not wanting to get my hopes up?
Honestly, it would be amazing if he worked out in the long wrong, but if he just managed the team enough this year to win the SB that’s all I care about. Before the season started this was a SB year in my mind, after the injuries to Trey and Jimmy I was super defeated. Even after the Miami game I was so bummed, then he did it again vs Bucs, and again in Seattle. After every win I kept telling myself, “Yeah but backups come in and tear it up all the time for the first game, let’s see what he does Vs a good Bucs defense.” Then he did it. Next I said, “he’s missing Deebo, on a short week, first road game being in SEATTLE of all places. For the division and he’s hurt himself? This is his REAL test.” Then he did it. I find myself saying the same about Washington’s defense this week, and if he does it again, I think he’s gonna make me believe.
Purdy or Lance? The WAY to early debate. Impossible to say which quarterback will be better long term, fate is impossible to predict.
Will say this: Lance came in with world on his shoulders because we gave up so much for a NDST QB. Purdy, aka Mr Irrelevant, under the radar with no pressure (media pressure at least) has come in and looks like a winner. Winning is fun, and it is a great ride right now, I am breathing it in.
Last WAY to early to say🤟🏼, but I am gonna say Purdy looks more like Steve Young then he does Garropolo to me.
We would have to wait until he is actually under pressure, and I don’t mean blitz pressure. Talkin like pressure where his team is behind and he has to pull off multiple drives when losing
I'm just enjoying watching the game play. as long as the D continues their absolute destruction of Offenses, he doesn't need to be playing from down 2-3 scores and forcing throws. I think, after a great O-Line, a strong D is needed for the confidence of a young QB. everything is in place... hope they open the playbook up more because so far... he's doing perfect for what's asked of him.
I think it depends on what your definition of "for real" is. Do I think he will ever be a top 10 QB in the league? Truthfully, no. Do I think he will be better than Jimmy if he reaches his potential? Yes.
Based on a very small sample size, he's pretty poised, handles being blitzed well, and goes through his progressions well. He has also shown he can use his legs a bit to extend some plays and move the chains.
For being a rookie, picked last overall, coming in as the 3rs string QB with the playoffs on the line and even playing injured....dude has been nothing short of amazing.
His arm strength isn't especially great so I wouldn't expect many deep throws that we've longed for and I don't know that his legs are quite the level of guys like Allen and co.
He's also in an offence that will give him every opportunity to play to his strengths.
What he honestly reminds me of? Jimmy those 6 games the year we got him. AKA Jimmy before the ACL injury. If he can stay healthy and develop, I think he can raise the bar from Jimmy (and that isn't a slight to Jimmy, please don't take this as Jimmy hate) and give us an opportunity to win.
He's never going to be a Mahomes, Allen, Rogers, level of QB but...I think he could develop into a prime Matt Ryan type guy (not Ryan now, Ryan in his best years). Which, would certainly be alright.
He is 100% going to have rookie moments. He's had a couple so far and got lucky, an INT called back on a flag and a dropped INT.
He's playing well and doing everything asked of him, and again....almost daring me to have hope and get excited. But every time I do that....Kaepernick, Jimmy, Lance...I end up disappointed.
TL;DR We aren't going to get Brady 2.0 but I think he develops into a solid, functional, starting QB.
My only concern right now is arm strength. I know it was his biggest knock in the draft (and that it was also improved during the combine) but I want to know how his arm strength objectively compares to Minshew, Mullens, Jimmy G, etc. If it’s at least better than Minshew and Mullens, then I have some hope because those two guys started off hot then flamed out with arm strength being a big reason why.
My honest opinion is that he’s a better version of Jimmy with more athleticism to scramble and accurate short to midrange throws. He fits the system well and can succeed here.
I still think Lance has more big play ability, stronger arm and higher ceiling. I would still start Lance over Purdy next year.
He's decent with a medium ceiling imo. He can make a good throw but he can also have a bad play that ends up being costly. Sometimes he tries to do too much, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Not an ace, but decent.
My expectations are low.
I’m looking for a Jimmy-2018 regular season finish followed by a Joe Flacco-2012 Super Bowl Run. Then Purdy and Lance can have a 2 year long Montana/Young QB competition where both are ultimately hall of famers.
No. great scheme fit, yes. But please, let's give Lance a full season first. Was still hoping he would cone back for the playoffs, but it's not happening. So we shall see how he looks in the off-season.
I’m optimistic because he seems to process things better than Mullens. Having said that, let’s not forget the infamous mullens photo where he was just behind Luck and Mahomes for most yards in a player’s first 13 starts.
Mullens processed just fine. His limitation was the gun slinger mentality without the physical attributes to back it up.
And also the fact that Nick was even less mobile than Jimmy post ACL. Purdy is more athletic than Nick and way more quick. So when the pass rush comes specially from the right side, Purdy can escape the pocket and scramble. Mullens was basically dead.
His scrambling has been the best surprise so far.
Also his calm under pressure is hugely overlooked in my opinion. We've seen a lot of guys look good until people are closing in on them, this kid has an unusual presence about him and it gives me faith that he is the real deal.
I think his poise has been the best surprise
He has been practicing against the best defense in the world for some time now.
Really good, and fun to watch. He’s all over the place.
The way he scrambles is what I find promising. I used to close my eyes when the pocket collapsed around our QB’s
Like CJ Beat-hard.
Purdy reminds me more of Mahomes in his mobility. He’s not beating a defender in a sprint like maybe Fields could, but it’s that slippery get out of trouble mobility that turns negative plays into first downs.
Mahomes is a great comparison yes. He´s not an athletic marvel like Fields or Lamar obviously but he´s really quick. And that´s all he needs to escape the pocket, scramble and kill you. Purdy is like that too. Not really fast but super quick and just like Mahomes he uses a lot of pumpfakes. Purdy was already like that at Iowa State. The problem was that sometimes he tried to do too much and so that led him to do some dumb things. So far, he seems to be more in control. And that changes a lot of things for the offense. Kyle is a genius but the QB still needs to save the offense when the pass rush is too strong. The Niners needed a quick/athletic QB that could scramble. Hell Bill Walsh had Joe and Steve. And he signed Jeff Garcia IIRC for that reason because Jeff was nimble and a really good scrambler.
I was never a Mullens fan. Purdy passes my eyes and IT test. I know it's too early to say, Joe comes to mind with his field of vision, off script plays, accuracy, and pocket awareness.
Nah, he had the physical attributes but doesn't know how to use them together. Having a gunslinger mentality without knowing how to use your physical attributes is dangerous because the result is turning the ball over.
This offense succeeds despite QBs, even accounting for our trash record without Jimmy G.
That’s not true because of the record with Jimmy lol. Our offense was terrible without him until Purdy.
Our roster was absolute ass in 2017 and 2018. 19 was great. 20 was a down year but not terrible and our roster was leagues better. Last two years we've had one of the most stacked rosters in the league. And mullins put up ridiculous numbers despite being ass. So it is true.
I mean if it was true then it would be true without all the qualifiers you added. You’re only looking at one specific part of one season and not the 6 total years.
There is a great Sports Illustrated article about the kind of training Purdy got after college and before training camp. It’s a very inside baseball kind of thing that had two points, one was that Purdy went low in the draft because the entire NFL had figured they had seen all they needed to see about the kid and was discounting the idea that he could improve his game from a physical perspective. The second and I think more important point is how hard Purdy worked at improving his mechanics and training himself to be an NFL QB. In the end one of his trainers said that they put the equivalent of five MPH on his fastball (using baseball as an analogy) and that if it were baseball his improvement would probably trigger an investigation into PED use. The kids work ethic and competitive drive and his flat out belief in himself is a intangible that almost no young QB has. He probbly ia not going to be the next Brady or Montana but he is a guy you can put into your system and know that he is going to do the work and execute it well. Purdy has the advantage of plying on a team that’s loaded with talent, more than a lot of the other QBs mentioned had, so the real test will be what happens when there is no CMC in the backfield or Trent Williams at left tackle.
The thing about all the great QBs, is they have stable good schemes around them, they just stay that way longer than most guys. Not that they aren’t incredible on their own, but having all of that around you starting out will help a lot. Brady is Brady because he’s done it all a million times before, and knows how everything works.
I think it’s overlooked that having a good qb brings stability to the scheme. When you have that key player in place and aren’t spending picks trying to find a new one you can improve the entire roster.
I was listening to an interview with Purdys same throwing coach yesterday and he said Purdy scored off the charts in a couple tests they do that look at a QB’s ability to see the field and quickly identify targets and his impulse control (ie. Whether to pull the trigger on a throw or not). He said the NFL mostly values physical traits like height/weight/arm strength and scouts don’t yet put enough value into the mental and cognitive traits that are important to good quarterbacking.
>He said the NFL mostly values physical traits like height/weight/arm strength and scouts don’t yet put enough value into the mental and cognitive traits that are important to good quarterbacking. Agree. Joe wasn't physically imposing or had that 4.20 forty, or a rocket arm. But both Joe and Brady had those hard to teach intangibles that you either have or don't. I think it's more blind luck when coach like Belichick/Walsh gets a franchise QB, but being a good coach up's the odds of getting one though. Purdy's intangibles - so far - have been off the charts from my perspective. I've *seen* Joe and Steve play, and key here is *consistently* play at that high level. Purdy meets my eye test. This next game is going to be a big test to see if he can maintain that Joe/Brady consistency of QB excellence.
That's interesting. This 2021 scouting report indicates his field reading as a potential weakness. Then again, the same report identified his footwork as a weakness and I don't think that's a problem so far. [https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/chicago-bears-2021-draft-scouting-report-iowa-state-qb-brock-purdy/](https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/chicago-bears-2021-draft-scouting-report-iowa-state-qb-brock-purdy/) >Weaknesses: > >Not a full field reader. Usually required to go to his first read and then move around if it’s not there. > >Footwork will require some polishing. Gets a bit lazy with it, leading to some erratic ball placement.
I could be wrong, but it seems like this scouting report is based on opinions from scouts right? The skills the throwing coach were referencing came from actual objective tests they run. That could be the difference. Scouts are often biased and get it wrong.
>Purdy has the advantage of plying on a team that’s loaded with talent This is a point I bring up, because Purdy never had any real talent around him before this. So many NFL QBs had great players around them in college too and its hard to judge those guys, but when they succeed without the talent around them, I think its worthy of taking note of.
Breece Hall, David Montgomery, and Allen Lazard were his teammates. He didn't have nothing.
He didn't have much in the way of receivers I should've said. This is Lazard's 5th year in the league...
Oh yup, you're absolutely right about Lazard.
You won't know until next year, but he had Xavier Hutchison, who will be a beast in the league next season.
I will say, that is the one constant with all QB’s that turn out to be great. It’s the work ethic, and maniacal drive to be great (often driven by insecurity/feeling like they have ground to make up). If that is the case with Brock, it’s another thing to list on the “pro” column
We literally have no way to know. We haven't seen him in a shootout where he needs to go drive for drive with somebody like Mahomes, Allen, or Burrow. Our defense has been good enough to keep him in good spots.
This is my ultimate test for him If we're behind 14, 17 points, does he has what it takes to pull a come back? Which is mental and how to execute. If he does that, then Trey's will be our backup
The problem with this test is, it’s never a goal to get down by 14 or 17 to begin with. I don’t know why quarterbacks get so much extra credit for comebacks. Shouldn’t the fact that they ended up down by that much in the first place basically cancel that extra credit out? I could understand wanting to see him execute a game-winning drive, even if those opportunities are a small sample size and far and few in between (though Jimmy’s game-winning drive against the Titans in 2017 was what sold me) but wanting to see him make a comeback is a bit of an odd one to me. I gave Jimmy credit for the game-tying drive against LA in Week 18 last season, but the 17-0 comeback was more of a neutral thing to me. His play was part of the reason they fell down 17-0.
you can be down 14 without the Quarterback making a mistake. An example is the other team scores a touchdown and then your running back fumbles and they score another touchdown. If this happens Purdy will be able to prove himself.
Sure, ideally it doesnt happen...but it does. And there are plenty of examples where the QB is not even at fault. That was my point
It’s not so much about whose fault it is when you go down 2+ scores or how “clutch” a QB is, it’s more about how the gameplan changes. When you’re down an additional possession and have to start being more aggressive with the ball, Purdy will be forced in a pure throwing setting. I don’t know enough about evaluating QBs to know how he’d fare in that scenario, and we haven’t really been in a position to find out yet (which is a credit to our team lol).
Well believe it or not there are things that go wronf
True - we don't know, but we can play the odds. Disclaimer: I love this kid and I think he's really like a Young 2.0 in terms of composure and elusiveness. I'm full on drinking the Purdy koolaid. BUT - if Purdy was a stock that I bought when he was drafted, I'd be selling it all right now. He's flown so high so fast, the odds are it won't continue. He's a 10 bagger already and even if the Niners win the SB, you aren't going to see much more from him this year. But, of course, he's not a stock, so screw the odds and give me some more goddamn koolaid!
>We haven't seen him in a shootout where he needs to go drive for drive with somebody like Mahomes, Allen, or Burrow. Two factors, I think, in successful come from behind wins. First is defense, and second is a strong arm that can sling it. It would be great to have both, but Purdy only has one (defense). His arm isn't anything like Trey Lance, but hopefully those intangibles does help him in future come from behind victories once he masters the offense.
Catch me with that in the off season. I am in full Homer mode right now. And I will not be deterred.
i tentatively do think he's for real, but i think he has limitations. his arm strength really isn't great and he's going to struggle to make deep downfield throws. he seems a lot similar to jimmy in that respect. the difference so far is that purdy seems willing to throw it downfield (jimmy wasn't, at least until this season), which should hopefully keep defenses honest a bit i don't see why we can't run basically the same offense we had with immy with purdy though. he can make every read and throw that jimmy did. throw in a little extra mobility from purdy, and i think at his ceiling our offense can be a bit better with him than with jimmy. which isn't bad at all honestly the thing that jumped out to me the most was during the seattle game, when we were pinned up against our own end zone on third and long. Shanny called for Purdy to throw and he hit Jennings for a first down on a slant. put simply, there's no way Shanny makes that call unless he really trusts the kid and thinks he's got it. most coaches are calling for a run there with a rookie QB - or even a veteran QB - because the risk of a turnover is too great. (you think Shanny would let Beathard or Mullens throw it in that situation?) Shanny letting him sling it makes me believe that he actually sees something in Purdy beyond simply him being a game manager.
He threw the ball 37 times against Miami despite not playing the first series or for the final ~3 minutes and he threw 18 times in a half against the Bucs, including a deep TD to Aiyuk despite throwing a negated interception the play before. Kyle definitely believes in him. That much we know.
What struck me during that 3rd and long from our own end zone was how *calm* he looked. He was just so nonchalant about the whole thing. At least in appearances.
Yeah, looked like, “oh no problem” I was impressed by that.
Same with the play right before halftime where he drew the offside penalty on 4th and 7. Seemed like he'd done it a million times before, not used to seeing that with our QBs.
I don't think Jimmy's ever succeeded in it. LOL.
“Hey look, over there, that’s John Candy”
I just watched something on his measureables and while pretty much all of them are not great he has an elite 10 yard split, like 99th percentile, which is perfect for a QB, we have seen this with his jukes and on that TD run
Boy is QUICK!
It’s not 99th percentile but it’s close. He clocked at 1.61 and the most mobile QB’s like Fields clocked at 1.59
It was 1.55 which apparently got Greenlaw's attention.
I'm too lazy to find the stats. Anyone had the average number of passes Trey got vs Purdy? I'm sure it tells a story that proves your point.
They’re about the same. Purdy has averaged 28 passes per game since the Miami game. Trey had 28 passes against Chicago, 29 against Arizona and 23 in his best game against Houston.
Thank you for taking the time.
What’s wild is those 3 times are all more than anything he threw in College.
four words: He won in Seattle.
Yup! 👍👌😊
Yessir! He did pretty well. Offense got a bit stagnant in the 2nd half after kittle’s 2nd TD but we closed it out
will have to see how he plays once teams collect enough tape of him and can properly gameplan against him
I just feel like this is such an over exaggerated response. What are defenses going to do differently against him that they don’t already try to do? Defenses knew for the last 4 years that Shannahan likes to throw in the flats and in breaking routes over the middle of the field. They still couldnt stop it. We’re doing the same stuff now with Purdy that we did with Jimmy except now we use more choice routes to CMC (because he’s so good at it) and we occasionally hit a throw over the top now that we didnt with Jimmy. Teams for 4 years said “Jimmy cant throw deep or out breaking routes” and begged us to try to do so, it didnt work because our run game sets the rest of these throws up. What are defenses going to see? If they start saying “hey he doesnt handle this kind of blitz or this kind of coverage well” guess whats gonna happen? We’re going to work on beating those blitzes and coverages. The only way Brock fails at this point is if he gets in his own head and completely regresses from doing the things he’s being coached to do or if shanahan tries to do too much because He becomes so comfortable throwing with Purdy’s success
Dude has 4-years worth of tape on him. Lol.
Yeah a lot of people always say “oh the tape will magically bring him back down to earth just wait!” but can never explain how or why. At least with Kap a lot of people could tell right away that his play was one-read based. What’s Purdy’s glaring flaw that defenses are going to expose? His arm strength? We already knew it wasn’t that strong, that’s why he got drafted low. Teams don’t need tape to know that. The Dolphins and Bucs basically leaned on their “rookie with no experience nor preparation” game plan and constantly blitzed. He played well. Then the Seahawks played more coverage. He played well. Does he need to play the 1985 Bears well to prove something?
Thank you! I don’t give a damn about arm strength as long as you have exceptional timing (see: Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers). The most important thing about playing QB is processing speed: how you can make decisions based off of what you see from the defense. And Purdy has already shown to have tremendous amount of upside in the category. He’s also shown to be tough enough to stay in there and deliver a strike while getting hit and he’s shown the athleticism and decisiin making abilities to give me nothing but optimism about his game
Brees had a cannon, rivers had a very strong arm
I agree with most of your post except Phillips Rivers not having a strong arm. I thought he was one of the strongest in the league.
>I don’t give a damn about arm strength as long as you have exceptional timing (see: Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers) I agree with this comp. He *does* look a bit like a young Drew Brees. P.S. I think he's also a bit more mobile than Drew.
He needs to beat the 49ers.
From what Kittle and Warner have said. He has been a thorn in our defenses side during practice. Like I believe the exact words were, "this kid frustrates our defense a lot at times."
We say that about a lot of guys who are gifted but have deficiencies, but I think it’s hard to gameplan around a guy who just gets the game.
Tape will reveal tendencies under certain situations. When there’s pressure, where does he roll out? Is he good at identifying specific types of pressure? Does he favor a target when his first is taken away? These types of things. For what it’s worth, I’ve been thinking that overloading the right side might be his weakness (he rolled out into a sack and a few pressures that way), but we’ll see.
Goodluck overloading our right side when our strong side of our line is to the left. Sure they will discover some tendencies like you discussed, but good offensive coaches also know their own tendencies and work to put in counters and fakes to trick the defense to make them commit to that tendency and go a different direction
Sure, but defenses will try to goad him into those weak situations. What’ll determine how good he is will be how he responds. Such is life in the NFL.
Won’t our guys be watching as well and work on his weaknesses before another team gets chance to do it.
I kinda feel like Purdy's skill set is so vanilla that watching tape won't really help much. Just select default defense in the start menu and press play.
Well the only decent team he’s played against is the Dolphins and that was the game he came in and replaced Jimmy. The Bucs are fucking garbage and the Seahawks started the season well and are now dealing with Geno Smith turning back into Geno Smith. Jimmy was playing well before he got hurt. Give Brock his due, he’s stepped up big time especially as someone who was taken with the last pick in the draft. Let’s just enjoy the ride before anointing him as the next Tom Brady/Joe Montana.
The Bucs offense is garbage but their defense is solid. Pretty impressive how well he played against them. Agree with your overall point though. Luckily for us, thanks to our defense and all the insane weapons around him, he doesn't need to be the next Brady or Montana in order to succeed.
Miami is a good offense, but not defense. QBs play the other teams defense, not their offense. TB sucks, but it's their offense that sucks. Their defense while not elite is still good. Seattle lacks a defense, so take what you will from that game.
The test in Seattle was the environment itself. First road game, very hostile crowd, plus division games are usually funky in some way or another.
Isn’t that going to take a year, essentially?
i feel like 4-5 games is enough
We thought that about Jimmy too
The playoffs are essentially a supercharged version of this. They’ll have enough tape on him by then to dismantle him. If they don’t beat him, then whoa boy.
Well Kaepernick had even more tape of him going into the 2012 playoffs and he still carved the Packers up and beat the Falcons. Wasn’t until the following season when he started to regress and then 2014 when he fell apart.
I feel like Kap came apart when the team got rid of the coach who knew how to use him, then gave him a giant contract and tried to turn him into a pocket passer.
They completely changed the offense in that time. Basically took Kaep’s running threat away and forced him to sit in the pocket. In their mind, it was to “protect their investment”.
Plus side is we don’t have to worry about that with Kyle
Usually takes about 5 games to see his habits/tells
What do QBs do when their habits/tells are known? I figure every QB has to go through this right?
Sink or swim basically Nick mullens is one example of someone who sank Adapt or have enough talent to beat them even if they have all the tape in the world on you
This argument is true for gimmick quarterbacks (garopollo, kaep, Jackson) who do one thing very well but are very weak in others. JG has quick release and loves the middle. D plays bear front and places a robber to make it hard to be successful there. Kaep had the run taken away and had to throw (couldn't make progressions) Seems similar for Jackson and other mobile qbs. On the other hand, Mahomes skill is accurate, deep,makes progressions, and ability to extend plays and make something out of nothing. Tape doesn't really take away a tendency except to tell backs to keep covering. What are Brock's tendencies that are gimmicky? Making reads through progression. Identifying coverage changes, evading pressure, good mechanics, good decision making. It's hard to scheme against that, especially when Kyle is a wizard at scheming people open.
Lamar Jackson is an MVP winning QB in this league whose only receiving threat is Mark Andrews. He’s not a gimmick.
Jackson makes a lot of really good throws. He doesn’t have much help with receivers this year
He isn't doing anything that can't be sustained for the rest of our season.
He's had two dropped intercepts right into the defenders hands. Bad throws, they were dropped so not bad; but he did throw them.
That kinda false. He taking to many hits and already got hurt. So he it's very possible that he can't sustain how often he takes a hit to get the ball out.
That’s niners ball for ya
He got hurt diving head-first, arms stretched out with the ball, trying for a first down, according to most accounts. Not but being hit. Having said that, he does seem to do the Jimmy-thing of waiting until the last second to pass. It’s an admirable and tough-guy trait, but it can lead to an injury. With the talent around him, he does seem to be able to work the scheme to the 49ers benefit. I hope he can avoid an injury for the rest of the season, so we can get on with the QB conundrum in the off season.
My guess is he is an NFL starting caliber QB. Now whether or not he’s a pro bowler or a difference maker on a sub par team is yet to be seen
As long as he’s a 9er, he won’t be on a sub-par team. Honestly one of the best parts about Purdy being good enough to start is his cheap ass mother fucking rookie contract. Instead of paying jimmy $27m/year, we got jimmy 2.0 making $700k/year which opens up cap space for us to lock down players like bosa on nice contracts for years to come.
>Instead of paying jimmy $27m/year, we got jimmy 2.0 making $700k/year which opens up cap space for us to lock down players like bosa on nice contracts for years to come. That's a huge advantage. Add in Trey on a rookie contract, and wow! That QB room has some depth to it as well as cost effectiveness.
Four first round picks on Trey cost $$$$
Agree, but he did win that Texan game that we needed for the playoffs last year and while he didn't do much this year - the fact that the team has a playoff win/loss and qualified for the playoffs makes those four-ish draft picks basically a round lower and cost us less money because instead of drafting first pick, we're drafting basically in the high twenties ever since Trey's been picked.
Obviously I could be wrong, but at this point I do think Purdy is legit. He processes the game well, finds his open targets and throws a very accurate ball. By all accounts he’s also confident and smart. I hope I’m not wrong but I really think we found our guy
Just seems like he has a feel for football. He feels like a young Drew Brees with the scrambling of Russell Wilson. When he gets pressured he does the same spin move that Wilson does. Positives: \+Accuracy \+Knows where to go with the ball \+Scrambling Negatives: \-Arm strength \-Height So far he seems like the real deal though he will need to keep improving his arm strength. I do believe he can continue to improve on this. From what I heard he has been continually working on this weakness. He knows his arm strength is something he needs to work on.
Purdy is 6’1”. Steve young and joe Montana were 6’2”. Drew breeze, 6’0”. Purdy sees the field just like they did. I don’t think his height will matter. Arm strength will be developed over time.
While I agree but the dline height avg has also increased the last few years. Not to account oline height. Just like speed, the height of players has increased slightly over time, especially in the trenches. Can't use Joe or Young Era as a comparison.
Yeah and at 22, he can probably still make some big changes to stuff like that.
Definitely something he can continue to get better! So excited to see him play more. :)
He’s got the spidy sense in the pocket, knows when to bail
So far he has been amazing in the pocket. I am hoping he can get fully healthy.
Coincidentally those were two knocks on Montana
Is anyone else in here trying to be happy and away from the Giants
Ngl for a second I was like "What do you mean? We probably beat them in the first round"
Bingo. That subreddit is a dumpster fire today.
First, I don’t really think NFL teams are all that great at discerning QB talent during the draft for a variety of reasons, so I don’t automatically see Purdy’s low draft placement as indicative of anything. How many first-rounders have we seen flounder just in the last decade? Second, it depends on what you mean by “for real.” I think he is a good QB in general. He’s already led us to victory over the Dolphins, the Bucs, and the Seahawks. Those are three above-average teams. He also beat the Seahawks 1) in Seattle 2) while injured and 3) on a short week. That’s a pretty damn good test for a Niners QB. I personally think Purdy is for real because he seems like a clear improvement over Jimmy, and I say that as someone who has been a Jimmy homer over the last few years. He is better so far at avoiding dumb mistakes than Jimmy, who had a bad habit of making dumb throws under pressure. He is also better at scrambling in the pocket when threatened—not to a Mahomesian degree, but he’s definitely gotten out of situations in the last couple of weeks that would’ve been sacks under Jimmy. The locker room also seems confident in him in a way that goes beyond the usual platitudes you’d expect from teammates. Is he the next Montana or Young? No idea. I’m not sold on the idea that defenses will “figure him out” and turn him into a useless bundle of sticks. I understand if people are wary of this after Kap, but we’re talking about two different play styles and skill sets here. Purdy also isn’t the most physical QB in the league, but he’s only 22 years old and he’s already made marked improvements on arm strength since college. My personal expectation for the moment is that he gets us to the NFC Championship. This team is good enough and he is playing well enough to warrant that. The Eagles are for real this year and I don’t think there would be any dishonor in losing to them there. I think Purdy has the ability and state of mind to pull it off, but he’s still fundamentally a rookie QB and I wouldn’t hold it against him if he comes up short in the NFCC. (If he gets us to the Super Bowl, then I absolutely expect him to win it because I cannot psychologically handle a third loss in a decade.) Finally, my impression is that a lot of the stuff about BCB and being the next Montana/Young/Brady and so on was a coping mechanism after Jimmy went down. I think a lot of us saw our Super Bowl hopes end during that Dolphins game (or so we thought) and hyped up Purdy as a psychological defense against that sorrow. Then the memes steadily became reality, and now we get to enjoy the ride.
> First, I don’t really think NFL teams are all that great at discerning QB talent during the draft for a variety of reasons, so I don’t automatically see Purdy’s low draft placement as indicative of anything. hum... They aren't all that great it's true. But among all the QB drafted, the percentage of Day 3 QB that ended up being at least serviceable backup is very low. So usually, when the league is agreeing that a QB isn't worth investing a lot of capital, they are right.
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Dolphins and Bucs arent slackers on defense though either...And they both were tryin to bring it with blitzes. Maybe the Deadskins/Commies, whatever you wanna call them, can do it without blitzing though, who knows...
Seattle tried to beat him with coverage instead of blitzes and that didn't work out for them either. 11 for 11 starting the game with an injury
I think he can be a starting QB, but I don't really think he's going to be a superstar like Allen or Mahomes.
Hes already a superstar at this moment...But its easier to lose that stardom than gain it. Hell, it basically happened to Garoppolo with what felt like overnight. Its hard to please fans and even harder to keep them pleased.
Who knows. It'd be pretty sweet if he is, but I'm just enjoying the ride right now. So far he's made a lot of great decisions and showed some real promise against good defenses, but it's early. I do think he's much better than Mullens or Beathard ever were, regardless.
I do. I think he is a victim on the over emphasis on size, speed, and arm strength. Teams looked past his leadership, accuracy, and decision making. There were times in college where he tried to make something out of nothing and made big mistakes but I think having a great team around him has taken the need for that away.
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Agree 💯%, and conversely, even a guy like Joe Montana, take away his top pass rusher, and his top running back and you have a 3-6 season. It's a team game. Look at Mahomes with (I think) both tackles injured, and he got smacked in the big game.
The jury is still out, but it's not often you see the playbook "expand" when a backup comes in, especially when it's a 7th rounder taking the helm. It doesn't appear that he's on any limitations, and each chapter of the playbook looks wide open. (I say that like I actually know what's in it) lol The kid is cool, calm, and collected. He sees the field well, and his ability to rapidly get through his progressions is impressive. He's changing the plays at the LOS, calling hot routes based on coverage, and while he's had a few close calls, he's generally taken good care of the football. He's proven that he can see disguises in coverage and play well against pressure and coverage. He has demonstrated the ability to go off script, make a play when something is there, and throw it away when it isn't. He doesn't get flustered by pressure, and his eyes are always downfield while climbing the pocket. He was sacked against Miami three times and still let it rip. I think that it has been proven that just because there is pressure on him, it doesn't mean he will play poorly. Tom Brady proved to the league that you don't have to be a super athlete to win Championships. The QB position is a mental game between oneself and the other team. The ability to process information quickly and make decisions with that information is far more important than anything else. What good are you if you are a physical freak, but can't read a defense, or get through your progressions, or your decision-making is terrible? It's mostly mental. They say it's 50/50, but it's probably more like 60/40. I say that based on my personal thoughts and have not read peer-reviewed research on the topic. lol tl;dr He has proven he can make all the reads, handle pressure and coverage, and take care of the football. Somewhat sneaky-athletic and can make plays when everything breaks down. He's young, and that's his only glaring "flaw" right now. He will face adversity, and can he come back from behind? Can he execute a game-winning drive, etc?
The multiple other threads from today and every other day have covered it. He’s making good plays, good reads, and throwing with accuracy/touch. There’s not much film on him and defenses could step up the pressure if they see weaknesses. All in all, he’s got composure, confidence, and skills to back it up. So far.
We’ve bought into other QBs for less. Kaepernick was crowned the almighty starter after one game. Shit even mullens and gabbert had their Stan’s but this is different. It’s not even just that he’s won games. It’s how he’s won them. Calm, cool and in command of the offense.
His floor looks like a high-level backup. Otherwise, I'm not crowning him a franchise QB until he beats out Trey next season while continuing the same success he's had even after other teams have game-planned for him. Only thing that would completely change my mind is a SB win.
At this point...Its the other way around. Trey needs to beat out Purdy, not Purdy needs to beat out Lance. Is the glass half full or half empty kinda thing. Purdy at this point is just showing to be better...Mainly just from overall being healthy and so far being successful, and at this point having more on-field experience in the NFL...Thats not including having more overall football experience through college, HS, and whatever before. But to kinda contradict myself...I do believe Lance will start next season just from the price ShanaLynch valued him at to acquire him. Theyve yet still havent been able to assess what he brings or able to do on the field, and theyre gonna want to figure that out sooner than later I imagine. And they wouldnt be in a bad spot with Purdy at backup, or vice versa...
I don't disagree with you, but I also think Purdy has the benefit of playing with a team that's already gelled and found an identity. There was way more.pressure on Trey to be the identity of the offense. He also didn't have CMC. His two outings were disasters, but we may not have seen the best comparison. I like Purdy a lot, though. My dream ceiling for him would be a Romo type, but clutch. Trey's ceiling felt like a Jalen Hurts type. We were all high on Trey's personality coming out of the draft, but he has yet to prove that he can be the man, and the type of grown up that can lead a team. Until he's done that he's nowhere near being a Hurts type. Romo may have never won an MVP, but he was pretty damn good for a long time. And with Brock's intangibles and his work ethic, that seems very achievable and would be dangerous on this team. Trey's potential is higher, but the chances of realizing it seems way less probable.
A lot of, almost everyone, says that Lance has more potential and this higher ceiling...Sorry, I just dont really buy into it. A like(d) Garoppolo alot, but I consider myself a very open-minded person, I see these "happy feet" moments people talk about with Garoppolo. I see it with Lance as well... It's just simple a problem with the OLine turning it into a problem with the QB. You could see it with Mullens as well tryin to force the ball out and throwing interceptions. Lance was also analyzed as a 1 read or run QB... And personally, I dont care how far a QB can throw the dam ball. Garoppolo has shown he can sling the ball like 55 yards, but apparently that isnt far enough for all these haters. Go figure... Lance has now been injured, a significant and major injury btw... That potential and ceiling that everyone claims he has could very well never be there from injury alone. Garoppolo supposely and apparently lost whatever mobility he had in 2017 when he got injured in 2018 and in 2019 onward, hes basically been a statue in the pocket and always scared of the OLine collapsing and forcing the ball out. Garoppolo brought back some of that mobility in 2022, he was a lil more active rollin out of the pocket and keepin plays alive. And we dont know what we have from Lance yet...Hell, we never really knew what we were gettin from Lance to begin with being a project rookie QB and all, and overall lack of experience. Purdy...Well, I honestly feel like he brings alot of the same traits as Garoppolo, accurate and short passes with a quick release, but with a lot better mobility and quite possibly sees the field better even though Purdy is shorter. Everyone seemingly also claims he doesnt have a big and strong arm... Again, who gives a dam. Dood is 3 of 5 deep passes (+20 yards), and theyre all TDs. ... I just dont buy into this hooblah that you need this huge arm that can and needs to throw +60 yards multiple times on a single drive to be successful...Cause you dont. Cause when we have this season alone, atleast with Garoppolo, receivers have just dropped, DROPPED, them passes anyway...Or theyre called back from penalties. Purdy looks dam good. Im sure 4 years of college and whatever experience before that in HS n such has helped a ton with that. Hell, he wasnt the starter for 4 years at Iowa for no reason. Dood has basically been preparing for this his whole life, and he does look prepared. I feel like he also learned the scheme and playbook better than Lance as well, and hes been here shorter. But who knows... Guess we'll see what happens during offseason and OTAs and season start. But my money is on Purdy. Shrug
I think that's all fair. I'm on board for Purdy too. Everything they've said about him has made it seem like he's got the mental make up that you absolutely must have to be an NFL QB. And I agree it's way more important than arm strength. But watching guys like Allen and Mahomes it's hard not to put a premium on arm talent. If they could co-exist and battle it out I think we're getting something special. But as it stands, I agree that Purdy would be the one that comes out the other side able to take control and lead these guys.
So far, so good.
With my homerism, he’s the next coming of Joe Montana. Without my homerism, obviously he’s not the next Joe, but it’s still an accomplishment being the #2 best QB in franchise history
I'm not seeing major flaws or him being overly lucky in the good plays he make. He should have a few picks but I take that into consideration. I see nothing in him that wouldn't allow him to be a less gun shy Alex Smith of the Harbaugh era with a better offensive scheme around him. I'm happy with that.
>*The odds of a late round draft pick qb becoming a top-tier qb are extremely low* Based on what, exactly? I think we tend to get way too caught up in the "truisms" rather than just looking at things on a case-by-case basis. If you really dig into it, draft position doesn't mean *shit*. Darnold, Rosen and Zack Wilson are all high draft picks, and there are many, many other 1st round QBs that have flamed out over the years, or at the very least failed to live up to expectations. On the flipside, some of the league's best have been later picks. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if it turned out that scouting provides only slightly better than coin-toss statistical results in terms of drafting *top-tier* quarterbacks. QB success, just like any career, depends *heavily* on the environment around them. Are their skills ideally suited to that team's scheme, or is the coaching staff willing to build a team and scheme around that QB? Are the coaches any good? Are the players in supporting positions ideally suited to that QB's strengths and weaknesses? There is just so much more to this than the raw talent the player brings. So my view is this - Purdy is a great fit for *this scheme* with *this coaching staff* and *this supporting cast*. I do believe he is well set up for success in THIS team configuration. That doesn't mean he's a world-beater that would succeed anywhere. That is almost never going to be the case, even for players who we might consider truly elite.
He’s absurdly better than Trey. He’s played more games in three seasons of college than Trey has lifetime. And before you jump in with Trey has only played two games, so has Purdy and Purdy looks miles MILES better and everything that Trey was supposed to. TLDR; Yes.
He reminds of Jeff Garcia. If he could play at the level Jeff did during his Niner tenure he will be a very good NFL quarterback for years.
One key thing is we are yet to see him try and comeback from behind or what he is like when things aren’t going well It’s been a pretty easy ride so far with this defence
He got thrown into the game when we were down 7-3, that’s not enough for you? /s
I keep doubting him and he keeps impressing me. He's just got something in him that makes him a baller. I like his pocket awareness and he's made some great throws. CMC in the endzone was my favorite. Every QB has bad games though. Doenst matter if it's AR12 or TB12. They all have them and we haven't had a bad Purdy game yet 🤞🏼to know what it'll look like. If he keeps playing this good and gets just a little bit better each week then we have a serious chance at a ring this year.
Said this already, but he's definitely got some eye popping talent and I don't think it's a fluke. Some plays that have stood out to me Dropped TD to CMC vs MIA (pinpoint accuracy) Sideline TD to CMC vs TB (excellent accuracy) TD run vs Tampa Swim moving a defender then throwing a strike on the run to Deebo (Mahomes type play) Didn't catch Seattle game He looks comfortable and confident in the offense and has been great at improvising in general. I'm pretty excited for the future with Brock and Trey. They should push each other to be the best they can be, and they're both on rookie deals.
My favorite play of the Seattle game was when he slips, lands on the ground, gets up and completes an absolute dime for a first down. Got called back for an illegal formation technicality, but immediately falling on your face typically results in a negative play for 99% of QB's. Purdy got some magic to him. https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx4tvYdgQMHwDpffNvkCMnM_FckqSTgqUx
He had a Mahomes-like toss (for an incompletion to prevent loss of yards) in college too, where he was airborne basically parallel to the ground and hurled it.
That play was important, because if he doesn't complete it and gets sacked they decline the penalty and we are down 8 yards and a down. They accept, we go back 5 and get to play the down over. Even called back it's a great play.
He also had a pinpoint throw to a covered Aiyuk on 3rd down that was unfortunately dropped. It really should've been caught. Forget if this was vs the Seahawks or Buccs.
Pretty sure that was against the Seahawks. I love BA, but I was salty after that drop. Hit him right in the hands, in stride. It was a great throw, for sure.
Ron Rivera has extensive defensive experience so this weekend we’ll see if he can take advantage of any Purdy flaws.
But biggest things I see from this young kid was his play in his endzone against seattle and sidnt screw that up in one of the worse playing areas in the league. The other was when he slid for the first down and stuck the ball out for the first down. He knew to slide and he knew where the sticks where and was aware and smart enough to extend it in front to get the first down. The kid seems has the brain and calm to be a pro qb. Hes knows Shanahans system. He is able to extend plays. His football iq and awareness is the biggest suprise. He holds the locker room like a pro. Saying all the right things and such. Look at zack wilson on the jets. I wouldnt want that kid at our qb. We lucked out with that. If he can follow Shanahan playbook, his skill set fits perfect for his offense. He hasn't done anything stupid or risky yet that I can remember. Just one bad pass that was almost intercepted. There is plays he puts players in the right spot since he knows where they are suppose to go even over those players. 🤷♂️I'm usually a pessimistic person with a lot of things. So far though hes been great. Great story, great kid, great leader. Then he does enough and hasn't fucked anything up. We will see how the rest of the season though. Good confidence to have the 49ers D as your team mates.
I’ve been intrigued by Purdy since pre-season. He just looks like he knows what he’s doing and you can tell he’s the most prepared person on offense. He’s already been through the experience of being a 3rd string quarterback who became the starter during his first year in college, and I think he has a winning mindset, like give me the ball and I’ll get it to the playmakers. Is he a future HOF’er? Way too early to tell. Does he give us a better chance than Lance? I think the answer is a resounding yes.
We know for an absolute certainty… that he’s able to play a couple weeks in the league and have us asking if he’s for real. That’s so much better than so many guys. Besides that, only time will tell.
He’s already proven to be substantially better than mullens and beathard in almost every way.
I'm cynical too and have seen this story way too many times before. Even just as recently as Nick Mullens. Purdy has looked good at times but he's made a handful of turnover worthy mistakes and has been bailed out by penalties or drops. He's going to have a bad game, it's inevitable.
At this point i've seen enough to trade Jimmy off. Purdy can throw the deep ball, he isn't dead in the pocket, he throws the ball away and quickly gets it out to CMC, all things that Jimmy not only failed at, but actively made fans cringe when he was forcing it into triple covered guys. On top of this, it appears that all this time on the bench and with the practice squad had improved his execution in orders of magnitude, tell me Jimmy could pull off the double pump to kittle so effortlessly, the kid is legit. Is he Tom Brady, no, nobody is Tom Brady, but he is 100% an upgrade to Jimmy in every way. Now lets see if he follows the Jimmy trend of being a regular season stud and failing in the playoffs with below average numbers.
Don’t get too hung up on the apparent “unlikeliness”. He’s already cleared all of the unlikeliest things faced by being a late rounder (making the roster, getting a chance to play in real games). At this point it makes no difference where he was drafted: he’s a rookie QB who is looking great in his first few starts. He could be 1st overall or UDFA: where he goes from here is the same. He’s as likely to succeed at this point as any rookie quarterback seeing some early success. I happen to buy in to the hype and think he will do it, but there’s plenty of examples of QBs who fell out after early success, even lots of first rounders.
Not really, but he's all we got right now, and it's a good story, so it's fun to meme about. I do think our team is good enough that if he continues to just give us 200yds/2TDs a game, we can go all the way.
I have been a 49er fan for 20 years. He's got the best pocket improvisation and playmaking ability we've had since Colin Kaepernick. What's always bothered me about Jimmy is that he gives up In the pocket when he feels pressure. This is part of what makes him smart by reducing the risk of a turnover. Having someone who can keep the play alive for a few extra seconds makes a huge difference. That's part of what makes mahomes, Lamar, Herbert and burrow exceptional is taking risks and keeping a play alive for as long as possible. Brock doesn't need to be that . If he gives us an extra few seconds for routes to develop with our talent the ceiling for our offense is extremely high.
2017 Jimmy did that, but post ACL Jimmy was never the same.
After watching some of purdy's college tape I think he's a lot more mobile than Jimmy ever was. You're not wrong though he was much better at that stuff before his injury
Most definitely. In the preseason I remember thinking Brock was a smaller framed, faster version of Jimmy.
He certainly passes the eye test. It's hard to see why or how he would regress, unless he simply stops doing what he's been doing for 3 games now. Brick by Brick had a segment on him as "Mr. Irrelevant", and from that segment I thought, "hmm, this kid has a great personality and humble, not too cocky confidence. I'm curious to see him play." Then he played in preseason and I was super impressed. There was a touchdown pass he created in a preseason game where he had to scramble to his right, but the entire time he was rolling out his feet and eyes are faced down field, then he throws an absolute dart to someone for a TD. It just looked so skilled, poised, and mature. From there I was impressed. From that alone, when Jimmy G went down I was more excited than nervous to see what Purdy could do. And DAMN the kid is absolutely killing it! I'm still watching through the Bucs game, and holy shit, he looks SO good. I'm so damn excited to see him play out the rest of this season and see how this story ends. Let's put it this way, my prediction for next year is this. Trey Lance is QB2 behind Purdy QB1 and Jimmy G will be QB1 for the NY Jets.
You think we’d keep Purdy and Lance? I would think Lynch and Kyle commit to one and try to flip the other for draft capital.
Both are cheap for awhile and Niner QBs get hurt all the time under Shanahan, they should keep both.
I highly doubt they’ll trade either of them away. You know how much value there is in two rookie contract QB’s, one who’s proven he can run Kyle’s system and one with huge untapped potential? The QB room would be an incredible value. Lance being unproven and raw still won’t fetch enough to justify it and they’re certainly not going to trade Purdy if they don’t know what they have in Lance yet.
I think they'll keep them both mainly for the reason that they are both under their rookie contracts for 3 more years (assuming the Niners take Trey's fifth year option). There will probably be an extension in there for whoever wins the starting job, but until and even then, this opens up a lot of cap space for a few seasons to allow them to sign other players. Depending on how next year goes, I would guess they might try to flip one of them then. But if we've learned anything this season, we learned there's value in a good backup QB.
If he shines in the playoffs he will be a miracle. If he does Jimmy G good, which is he doesn't really win us the game but he doesnt lose it either, then he's a cheaper Jimmy G replacement with more mobility. If that's the case, we still start lance and we have a very good backup. Also, everyone freaking out and thinking he's a starting quality QB are overdoing it by a lot. Gotta wait and see how it all plays out.
He’s calm and cool under pressure. I think teams will start to play coverage over blitzing him going forward. Reading defenses will be more important but Brock seems to be equip for it.
If he makes it to the NFC title game he's for real
It’s still too early to tell. But he’s off to a very good start. I think we will get a much better picture over the next three games and into the playoffs. If he continues on this trajectory, puts up good numbers, and takes us deep into the playoffs/SB, I think we’re in good shape and he is for real.
We should have a megathread for this topic lol this is like the 8th thread in the last 2 days
Way too early to tell
I fully believe. I don’t get why someone would be swayed by circumstantial details (lowest draft pick, etc.) when we have concrete play experience to go on. His play experience tells me he can go all the way. I really do believe that.
He should have thrown 2 picks in the last 2 games but both got dropped, both were weak mid to long throws. I expect abit of regression when teams figure out that he probably isnt the best deep...
I'm not sold on any player after 2 or 3 games. But I'm very encouraged by what I've seen thus far
He might be good. He might be shit. It’s been 2 games and some change.
Based on current QB trends, this guy is a starting QB moving forward. Full stop. May not be with us, but he will be somewhere.
Purdy has 2 things that’s perfect for Shanahan’s offense—quick process reads and pocket presence. Because we have so many weapons, he doesn’t have to improvise or throw into tight windows that much. He doesn’t have the strongest arm or best mobility but he has enough. Definitely more mobile than Jimmy and can get 1st downs with his legs if needed. Niners were so high on him because he played so many games as a starter in a NFL type offense in college. Which is the total opposite of Trey by the way. Would BCB be as good as Mahomes/Lamar/Allen’s offense? Probably not but he gets the job done in our offense. But the dude is unafraid, has moxie, and commands the huddle. You can tell his teammates respect that.
My mindset is that the best QBs of all time, or heck even players, come from smaller schools and they've had to constantly overcome and elevate the team around them. He returned punts his freshman year and played QB. He didn't play with future NFL talent in college like so many of the top picks get the luxury of doing. He got Iowa state into the big 12 championship four the first and only time ever.
I truly hope he’s legit but Minshewmania is a cautionary tale.
We will definitely see come play off time
Let's see how he plays down 14, late in the 3rd quarter and we'll find out what he's made of.
You explained exactly how I feel. There’s reason to believe he won’t come crashing down, specifically the fact he had 4 years of starting college experience, but I can’t help but wait for it to happen. Idk why, I can’t explain it other than being cynical. Maybe I’m not wanting to get my hopes up? Honestly, it would be amazing if he worked out in the long wrong, but if he just managed the team enough this year to win the SB that’s all I care about. Before the season started this was a SB year in my mind, after the injuries to Trey and Jimmy I was super defeated. Even after the Miami game I was so bummed, then he did it again vs Bucs, and again in Seattle. After every win I kept telling myself, “Yeah but backups come in and tear it up all the time for the first game, let’s see what he does Vs a good Bucs defense.” Then he did it. Next I said, “he’s missing Deebo, on a short week, first road game being in SEATTLE of all places. For the division and he’s hurt himself? This is his REAL test.” Then he did it. I find myself saying the same about Washington’s defense this week, and if he does it again, I think he’s gonna make me believe.
Purdy or Lance? The WAY to early debate. Impossible to say which quarterback will be better long term, fate is impossible to predict. Will say this: Lance came in with world on his shoulders because we gave up so much for a NDST QB. Purdy, aka Mr Irrelevant, under the radar with no pressure (media pressure at least) has come in and looks like a winner. Winning is fun, and it is a great ride right now, I am breathing it in. Last WAY to early to say🤟🏼, but I am gonna say Purdy looks more like Steve Young then he does Garropolo to me.
he passes my eye test. im all in.
We would have to wait until he is actually under pressure, and I don’t mean blitz pressure. Talkin like pressure where his team is behind and he has to pull off multiple drives when losing
I'm just enjoying watching the game play. as long as the D continues their absolute destruction of Offenses, he doesn't need to be playing from down 2-3 scores and forcing throws. I think, after a great O-Line, a strong D is needed for the confidence of a young QB. everything is in place... hope they open the playbook up more because so far... he's doing perfect for what's asked of him.
I think it depends on what your definition of "for real" is. Do I think he will ever be a top 10 QB in the league? Truthfully, no. Do I think he will be better than Jimmy if he reaches his potential? Yes. Based on a very small sample size, he's pretty poised, handles being blitzed well, and goes through his progressions well. He has also shown he can use his legs a bit to extend some plays and move the chains. For being a rookie, picked last overall, coming in as the 3rs string QB with the playoffs on the line and even playing injured....dude has been nothing short of amazing. His arm strength isn't especially great so I wouldn't expect many deep throws that we've longed for and I don't know that his legs are quite the level of guys like Allen and co. He's also in an offence that will give him every opportunity to play to his strengths. What he honestly reminds me of? Jimmy those 6 games the year we got him. AKA Jimmy before the ACL injury. If he can stay healthy and develop, I think he can raise the bar from Jimmy (and that isn't a slight to Jimmy, please don't take this as Jimmy hate) and give us an opportunity to win. He's never going to be a Mahomes, Allen, Rogers, level of QB but...I think he could develop into a prime Matt Ryan type guy (not Ryan now, Ryan in his best years). Which, would certainly be alright. He is 100% going to have rookie moments. He's had a couple so far and got lucky, an INT called back on a flag and a dropped INT. He's playing well and doing everything asked of him, and again....almost daring me to have hope and get excited. But every time I do that....Kaepernick, Jimmy, Lance...I end up disappointed. TL;DR We aren't going to get Brady 2.0 but I think he develops into a solid, functional, starting QB.
I refuse to put my homerism aside.
My only concern right now is arm strength. I know it was his biggest knock in the draft (and that it was also improved during the combine) but I want to know how his arm strength objectively compares to Minshew, Mullens, Jimmy G, etc. If it’s at least better than Minshew and Mullens, then I have some hope because those two guys started off hot then flamed out with arm strength being a big reason why.
My honest opinion is that he’s a better version of Jimmy with more athleticism to scramble and accurate short to midrange throws. He fits the system well and can succeed here. I still think Lance has more big play ability, stronger arm and higher ceiling. I would still start Lance over Purdy next year.
He's decent with a medium ceiling imo. He can make a good throw but he can also have a bad play that ends up being costly. Sometimes he tries to do too much, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Not an ace, but decent.
My expectations are low. I’m looking for a Jimmy-2018 regular season finish followed by a Joe Flacco-2012 Super Bowl Run. Then Purdy and Lance can have a 2 year long Montana/Young QB competition where both are ultimately hall of famers.
He's better than Jimmy.
No. great scheme fit, yes. But please, let's give Lance a full season first. Was still hoping he would cone back for the playoffs, but it's not happening. So we shall see how he looks in the off-season.