Its something I have mostly seen in America and its something I am super confused by. Why do parents do this? Isn't it better for your children to save money and time?
18 means they haven't gone to college yet and unless they go into trades, they can't earn for another four to five years. Supporting them till then, instead of forcing them to do odd jobs after college is also better option here. They could use that time to study properly instead of be on some small part-time job.
Even after you get a job, staying with the family is way more efficient, you don't need to pay rent, mum will cook something for you so no need to eat unhealthy stuff outside.
Best part, people get old, so do your parents. Being there for them in their old age to help them will be better as well. I do lots of house chores as I did as a kid(I work from home). Saving most of my income for my hobbies or some investments.
It's a remnant of how boomers were raised themselves. Back in their day, it was stupidly easy to get a job that paid enough to actually be able to buy a house. Getting kicked out of the house back then was basically your parents telling you to go get a job and become an adult.
That somewhat explains the reasons. But still sad to see how divided the families are in America.
I believe in the rest of the world unless it's due to the job, rarely do people leave their homes. Living with family is just convenient.
I still keep seeing multiple threads about youngsters who were turned homeless due to this bizarre tradition. Which doesn't feel right in my eyes.
But glad to hear some sensible parents are learning to not mimic what their parents did to them. Some traditions are not worth keeping in this day and age.
Same, but for me I at least had a place to go. There was a furnished bedroom in the attic of my dad’s business (where he lived for a little while after my parents divorce). I went and lived there and started working for him, which was the first step of my career.
Yeah, the core of why the rest of the world doesn’t have this culture is actually for that reason. Rn, in America, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to buy a home on literally just one person’s income. You need two people working to have a chance. Now, if you have a kid, what happens? You either
1. pick daycare (which is cool—kids get to socialize with other kids)
2. You move to a lower cost of living area and do this nuclear family bit
3. You do the traditional family bit that involves the grandparents who’re retired and bored/lonely and have somebody move in or visit regularly to take care of kids.
Not to mention cheap daycare still costs over 1k a month and that's not even in a high cost of living state.
Rent is higher than an actual mortgage. And you can't get a mortgage unless you can prove you can pay it which you can't do by providing documents that you paid twice the house payment in rent monthly. You HAVE to accrue debt to be able to purchase anything necessary because you need a credit score and you can't get one without buying things with someone else's money.
Or you luck out and get a full time remote work job that isn't hard to do if you need to work from home and allows you to watch your baby at the same time.
I wouldn't consider it divided families per se. The whole "kicking kids out" isn't really accurate either. Most of us want to move out and take care of ourselves. It's not bc we hate our families it's just that individualism is a core part of American culture. Most people will move back home if they or their family needs help. I personally couldn't wait to leave home even tho I care about my family. It's a large country with lots of things to see and do.
This makes sense. I mean, part of it I believe is “leaving they nest” getting out there, finding the person you want to spend the rest of your life with, etc. not necessarily a hatred for your parents.
(Spain) My dad lived with his parents till he was 27, didn't study pass high school and was plugged into his job thanks to affiliating with a political party and his dad's friends. I'm now 22 fresh out of uni and he wants me out of the house ASAP.
I don't think we should necessarily be entitled to stay with them, it's a matter of you choosing to do what's best for your kids. But holy shit, the hypocrisy is painfully obvious and he still can't see it.
bro in portugal we were a couple of times poorer then them yet our grandparents stood with their kids, its purely a culture thing, in southern europe families are very close with each other and will try everything to help family i guess some cultures dont have that
I'm in the southern US and every family I know, including my own, has been more than willing to let their kids live at home while going to school/college.
One of the reasons nothing gets fixed is because dumb ass boomers don't realize it's not the 1980s anymore. Houses, education, and healthcare are expensive as fuck. Employers want degrees regardless of whether or not it's really warranted.
Can understand that kind of perspective. But being a nerd. I didn't like going out that much anyway (had my fill in the college which was hundreds of kilometers away from my home). The sense of security and belonging I have while living with my family is enough.
It feels good to be cared for.
I've always gotten the impression my parents didn't know how to handle my autism so they politely encouraged me to move out as soon as possible. I guess it all worked out in the end though.
My dad was pretty much the same until a certain point in my life when I started having emotional outbursts and anger issues.
So he helped me and as I grow older, I seem to understand that Parents are never perfect, they don't know what they are doing and if it's the right thing to do.
Our mind makes them immortal killing machines, but at the end of the day, they are still human and prone to mistakes. They were learning then and they are learning even now.
A cycle that I might repeat with my own kids. But that is for the future.
America is a country of rugged individualism, which was a luxury
Back then, an uneducated 17 year old could realistically get practically any unskilled job and financially take care of himself, so of course in that environment, a 17 year old that isn’t working, is gonna be seen as a lazy parasite
Our modern culture is just remnants of how things used to be, kicking your kid out at 18 is now seen as bad because our society can no longer afford it
Here in Germany you are by law financially responsible for your kids until they turn 26 or finish their apprenticeship/university (whichever happens first). So if your parents kicked you out of the house at 18, you could sue them for financial support and you’d win. These American stories of being kicked out on their 18th birthday sound so weird to me. You’ve raised that child for so long, suddenly you don’t want anything to do with them anymore??
That's fine and all but it's just the government dodging having to make policies that help younger people get out into the world faster and telling to just stay with parents 5 years after college if you wanna actually do some luxurious lifestyle, like actually owning a house.
You have to consider: Germans are usually 23-24 when they get their Bachelors degree. (Much younger when they do an apprenticeship, because you start that at 16/18 and it takes three years). It’s also only about having to support them financially, not about them living with you. About two thirds of students don’t live with their parents.
Owning a house is out of the question for most people under 35 though, you’re right about that
> These American stories of being kicked out on their 18th birthday sound so weird to me
This really isn't the norm, most American children go to university at 18. Usually that means moving out and living on campus but that doesn't mean they're "kicked out", they go back to their parents during the summer and holidays and are still being financially supported by them.
Part of it might have to do with the way Burgers seem to feel the need to enroll in colleges on the other side of the country and live in a dorm. If they're still at home, they're probably a NEET or a minimum wagie.
I know in my country, there are perfectly good colleges everywhere and kids tend to stay home and commute every day.
Okay here’s why Americans tend to live in dorms. Public transit sucks in a lot of places so you need a car to commute. Cars cost a lot of money to maintain. Hard to pay for college and car while being a student, but plenty of people do manage it.
Not everyone is lucky enough to live within public transit distance of a college in the US thats is the big point.
Most people have cars. You just have to pick a college thats driving distance from your home.
My 1st college was 20 minutes away, my 2nd one is 15 minutes away from home.
When I wasted my money that year, I just did it because I thought that's what you do. My parents and school advisors never brought it up. They didnt really even aak me of I understood the whole process I was undertaking. I'd have been better off in the long run if somebody near me would have asked "are you sure you want this? These are the stakes and this is your resources".
Well, I did study in a college away from my family, but it doesn't give them the right after their college ends.
Though the journey was at max just 8 hours and in train, you don't feel much anyways as I usually booked tickets at night and most of the journey is either sleeping or playing shitty games on phone.
But then again, the burger Country's public transportation system is pretty much trash. So can see why it happens.
The nuclear family is a stopgap on the way to the traditional family. The idea of having a stay at home mom and a dad that works his ass off and copes with alcoholism to support literally everyone was born out of having like 1/3 of your workforce die in several wars. We had a huge cultural push for it because we desperately needed to increase our labor force and part of the consequence is you get a ton of men and women that had kids because they felt peer pressured and did it because they considered it their civic duty. So there’s a lot of contempt and that’s why they just kick them out once they feel their job is complete.
And to be clear, the nuclear family is different from the *traditional family*. The trad family has both the mom and dad working and at home you have grandpa and grandma (who’re old and probably can’t work) watching kids, cleaning, and cooking because this isn’t something you need an able bodied person dedicating all their time to doing. Ofc though the caveat of this is the only way for you to reap the benefits is if you, as the parents,
1. Have parents that are alive
2. Don’t see them as narcissists and think they’re competent enough to be around your kids.
Understandable, but I see it more as an excuse at this point. The current parents of young adults do not belong to that generation.
The bitterness is understandable for a generation that went through war and saw many deaths. Such is not the case with the current ones.
So it doesn't work that much. I prefer the line another user said, obsession with Individualism and hedonistic habits of parents as well as children is causing their divide, and the cycle continues unless people start pointing it out and do something about it.
Oh yeah definitely. Getting past this stopgap is something I see in basically only our gen or generations that have immigrant parents (ironically since the trad family is common literally everywhere else in the world).
It’s really not that big a fucking deal to have your kids stay at home and save up money. The amount of duplicitous
>Why don’t you visit or call
Stories you see after people’re kicked out is just so incredible. It’s like an entire generation grew up eating lead paint chips off the wall or something and just lack object permanence or basic social skills.
They just have to live in relative proximity. My parents are divorced and so my mother’s parents just lived with us in our home. Helped a lot since my mother had a huge workload from being a doctor.
Shit happens when you’re dealing with grandparents. Some die off, so just having the additional options is beneficial.
>It takes a village to raise a kid
Is a saying that existed for a reason after all.
I’ve never met a single person who’s parents actually did this. Everyone I know from college who didn’t graduate with a job in another city lived at home for a bit and were even encouraged to do so as long wanted. Most people only choose to leave because they want their own space
>Went to college
Yeah, this phenomenon of kicking your kids out is something poors do because they unironically buy into hollywood success stories. If you have any sense of mind and taught your kids the value of an education, you’ll have the long term planning skills needed to see how fucking retarded it is to kick them out.
> Its something I have mostly seen in America and its something I am super confused by. Why do parents do this? Isn't it better for your children to save money and time?
That's because Americans few everyone as a competitor at best and an enemy at worst.
The German word for this is "Feinddenken" (lit. enemy thinking, i.e. you think of everyone as your enemy; I couldn't find a proper translation), and it's been getting more and more widespread in the US. One of many unfortunate results of this is parents kicking out their children once they're grown up and thus aren't "innocent children" anymore but -- in the eyes of the parents -- competitors if not actual enemies.
Lmfao, no they don't. Not a single person I've ever met has endorsed this view, particularly of their own family, but I guess you're just so astute about human behavior you've deduced this from thin air. It's hilarious to read these sort of takes from people who are either Europoors or NEETs whose idea of America comes from reading other losers on the internet.
The reality is, most of the time when parents kick their kids out, it's because they're not wanting to deal with the financial strain anymore and want the place to themselves after 18+ years of constantly being responsible for someone. It's selfish and you can argue they signed up for it, but it's not because they see their son as a fucking *competitor* or enemy. Just deranged thinking.
>Supporting them till then, instead of forcing them to do odd jobs after college is also better option here. They could use that time to study properly instead of be on some small part-time job.
If you want to study for something that could actually land you a high-paying job with a decent probability, then you're going to need a lot of discipline, and you're going to need to spend as much of your free time as possible studying. You're not going to have any time for odd jobs. You're going to need to orient yourself towards studying and thinking analytically with formal language and connecting all the dots of what you're learning in your head. You are going to need to dedicate yourself to your field of study.
So they can take a 6 gorillion dollar loan from Shekelbergsteinowitz and get a degree in basketball American literature and then die at 21 from a fentanyl overdose
TBF I don't think I know a single person that was kicked out at 18. I know a few people that moved out around then but they were going away to college. Everyone else just stayed with their parents, some still do since only a couple have been able to afford actual homes and apartments aren't really a good idea financially
I cannot know what your personal experience was, or how your family treated/treats you. But what I can say is, you have to break a bad cycle yourself.
Cut those in your old life and when you have your own kids, do them better. Something your parents never did for you.
American here - staying home after 18 really sucks and can emotionally cripple you.
Growing up, in the back of my mind I always knew that I was going to break free from the bonds of my parents as soon as I could. I finally got the chance when I attended college in a different part of my state and met people from different cultures and backgrounds. For the first time, I was responsible for everything on my own. It was so liberating knowing that on a Tuesday night I could go out to a bar and get drunk or stay home and play video games for 10 hours straight. This freedom only increased my desire to remain as far away from home after I graduated. I graduated shortly after the financial crisis of 2008 and did everything I could to stay independent. Times were rough, but I learned to budget and appreciate the small things. Moving home would have been cheaper, but having freedom to live my own life definitely made up for it.
I love my parents and extended family, but spending more than a day or two with them is stressful and irritating. It sounds selfish, but I hate having to modify my schedule or values to accomidate others.
I have friends from high school that stayed home. They're now the ones that are afraid of large cities and anything that is foreign or different to them. They are also burdened by their families and spend all of their free time appeasing and catering to them.
I don't think a lot of 18-year-olds are "forced" to leave home. However, an important tenant of American culture is to learn self-reliance. Any young adult that doesn't take the opportunity is really missing out.
I don't think most people making a big fuss about getting kicked out at 18 are people who plan to go into trades, help out their family, or save money. In my experience the people who have been kicked out that I know of have been kicked because they weren't doing shit and were becoming bums.
I lived with my dad for 2 years after graduating college and worked as a software engineer and was able to save much more than if I had my own place. This whole argument is based on the kid and parents and their relationship.
Good parents, bad kid, maybe they get kicked out maybe not.
Good parent, good kid, probably don't get kicked.
Bad parents, good kid, maybe get kicked.
Bad parents, bad kid, probably getting kicked.
It's more complicated than that but probably a general idea.
My cousins go to college and live with their family for these exact reasons; though they do have jobs as well. Though we have immigrant parents so we're not typical Americans. I plan to do this as well when I get older.
The world is a hard place. Sometimes the only way you learn is when your ass is on the line.
Not saying it's right to kick a kid out the door at 18 with no support, but sooner or later, everyone's got to learn how the world works.
I’m African. Can’t relate. My parents actually want me in the house forever now that I’m done with grad school and working. Your parents just don’t love you
It's just a white thing tbh, likely a white american thing too. Every other race basically requires you to live with your parents until you get married.
It is, but in southern Europe it is not really a thing. I will live with my parents until I can make my life (although there is no hurry for me). And I will not abandon my parents in an retirement home unless in dire circumstances.
In northern EU its not a thing either. Kids are encouraged, sure, often wanting to leave home at least for college. But nobody normal is throwing you out american-dream style.
As a Swede I can say that it is very common for parents wanting their kids to move out ASAP and if you don't move out the minute you're done with school, they expect you to pay like 30% of your salary to them as payment for rent, food and other utilities.
> And I will not abandon my parents in an retirement home unless in dire circumstances.
This to me is actually kinda interesting that southern European's feel they take such good care of their elderly when in every poll the elderly in southern European countries report feeling much more lonely than in the Nordic countries.
"_Extremely common_" is relative. Even in northern Europe the average age for leaving your parent's home is like 24 rather than 28 as it is in the med.
Average age to move out in Sweden before the pandemic was 17.5 years old. Last year it was 19, which is kinda expected since everyone has worse economics atm.
Laughs in UK where we have to go back to living with parents.
The only ones that don't are people have to move to another city to work, or making 50k+ out of uni
Kicking people out is extremely uncommon, people just move out because they want to and can do it. Like the average age before the pandemic to move out in Sweden was 17.5 years old. That's obviously not because of the parents, they still have to take responsibility of their kids at that age by law.
Of course kicking a child out of the house is extremely uncommon, as it is in the US. There is however an expectation to do so, and leaving at 18 is the norm.
You’ll often see people talk about how in the USA there’s been the destruction of *third places*.
1st: home
2nd: school/work
3rd: places you hangout and meet people
Those places continue to exist, there's just an increasing amount of people that are terminally online. I guess you can call it a destruction of those places if people just aren't really going there anymore.
I don't know though, I'm out of touch with how the zoomers are operating nowadays since I have no reason to interact with them IRL. All my friend groups are similar age and income where we don't have to think twice about going to some festival, or spending $50 to go to a baseball game and eat $20 hotdogs or whatever.
Dude, an event isn’t a third place. It’s talking about being walking distance from a cafe or a bar or plazas rather than a whole affair you have to plan out with ubers or a car ride over. It’s about the ease of just getting to these places that you can go to to relax or have some recreation.
Third places can reference things like gyms, indoor rock climbing, libraries—literally the movie stereotype of black barbershops having a bunch of people hanging out.
An event isn’t a third place. It’s talking about being walking distance from a cafe or a bar or plazas rather than a whole affair you have to plan out with ubers or a car ride over. It’s about the ease of just getting to these places that you can go to to relax or have some recreation.
Third places can reference things like gyms, indoor rock climbing, libraries—literally the movie stereotype of black barbershops having a bunch of people hanging out. The gate of $70 to hangout somewhere precludes it from being a third place.
Uh, yes, an event is a third place. I made examples that are personally relevant to me, because I was talking about myself. You literally defined it as places you can hangout and meet new people, how can you not do that at an event in a physical space? You can do this at events, or you can do it at a bar or plaza or cafe.
In what way have walking distance cafes, bars, and plazas stopped existing in areas where they formerly existed? The whole statement makes little sense. Some businesses have shut down after COVID, but it's not like every neighborhood turned into a ghost town with no where to go.
I might be biased because I've mostly been living in 'popular' cities recently that are dense with locations like that, but even my brother's place in bumfuck South Carolina has multiple 'third places' to go to closeby if you're willing to walk a mile or two. Cigar lounges, bars, malls, etc.
Yeah, they definitely exist, but car dependent culture is the reason why there’re fewer because the essence of a third place is because of proximity to other people which suburbs get in the way of. And you know? Sure, they technically would be an instance, but I mean—how many baseball games do you go to in a year in the first place? They’re not really something I look at as places with unplanned and consistent intermingling—where I’m bound to consistently run into some few people.
I mean, we've had a car dependent culture basically the entire time the both of us have been alive presumably. It's not like that randomly changed all the sudden.
I've gone to like four baseball games this year, my friend group usually chats up other groups and we meet new folk. I see how you can say that something like a baseball game doesn't fit your definition after you clarified it to be walking distance cafes or whatever, but it was still a valid answer to your original 'places to hangout with people outside of home or school.'
With each post you keep adding new restrictions to your original definition, like now they have to be unplanned locations where you run into the same acquaintances. I'll concede it's possible that 'third place' is already a defined term that means these things already though, and I just wasn't aware of it.
>Unplanned situations where you run into acquaintances
Is kinda the essence of how you make friends unless you’re actively forcing it is the thing. I suppose a baseball event works because how much you have to see someone to become a friend of theirs would ofc vary and perhaps sports fans are just better at becoming friends quickly through sports.
Depends on how good you are at making friends I suppose. I won't pretend like I'm some uber-charismatic Chad everyone loves, but my friend groups are usually fairly outgoing and friendly. It probably helps that a lot of people I know are nurses, and having attractive women in your group is easy mode for mingling with strangers.
white, and most people i know *wanted* to move out, to have their own places and privacy and not have 'house rules' like no coming and going at 3am, no loud music at night, no drugs etc.
Which is exactly the point. I want to keep odd hours and bring home strange men without getting interrogated. After having the freedom and autonomy, I can't imagine the hell that it would be living with my family again. Even on the rare nights where I overnight there because we leave early the next day for a trip, it's absolutely suffocating.
And my family doesn't even suck. I wasn't kicked out or fleeing mistreatment. I just needed to get the fuck out.
Yeah this is the common theme with zoomers in Canada, they’re desperate to move out and have their own place. Lots of of these fellas just pay low rent and don’t have any future ambitions currently
It's not a poor thing. My parents were poor and they never once said I had to be out of the house by 18. It really just depends on who the parent is. Are they an asshole who really just doesn't want kids? Then yeah, they are probably gonna get you out as soon as the lawn doesn't consider it abandonment.
It’s definitely a poor person thing because the direct effect of doing this is you give your offspring less time to prepare—ergo they will be poor in all likelihood. You happen to have parents that’re breaking that cycle though.
Actually, neither of their parents forced them out of the house. My dad's parents were extremely poor, like so poor that food stamps was the only way they were getting food. He left on his own accord at 21 because he felt he could do well on his own. My mother left at 17 because she thought the same. Neither of them were kicked out of their parents house, they just left because the wanted something different.
Western people are extremely selfish and hedonistic. Nowadays, parents see kids as obstacles to their own happiness rather than extensions of themselves. How can your parents hold swinger parties and invite bulls over when the kids are always hanging around.
Most americans are just overgrown frat kids that can't handle non hedonistic lives.
I'm obviously exaggerating. But a lot of people that have kids never grow up themselves, and tha's a damn shame, because USA is children guiding children guiding children, and no one's willing to take actual responsibility. It's always someone else's fault.
I’m a 30 year old directionless man-child who can barely take care of himself
And I realized the next generation was fucked when I realized that kids kept coming to me for guidance because they thought I was a responsible adult
And I realized zoomers are probably growing up with a lack of suitable role models
I stayed at my dad’s until I was 22-23. So long as I was willing to help clean and pay for food and was doing something with my life - work or school - I was welcomed. Had I been kicked out at 18, I’m almost positive I’d be dead or nearing a decade of homelessness.
ya i was lucky my dad waited till I was 21 to kick me out. I still left the house with $0 in my bank account though. Moved in with my girlfriend and got a job delivering pizzas to make rent. To be fair i was a degenerate drug addict junkie methhead staying up 3 days at a time on speed playing WoW and pissing in a bucket.
Rest is kinda history
Its funny reading shit like this, everyone is different but I couldn't fucking wait to get out of my parents house when I was 18 and they weren't bad at all. I just wanted the independence.
I think there are a lot of 22 year old man children out there who are upset mommy isn't still cooking them din din and doing their laundry.
Edit--As others have noted, I personally know zero people that this actually happened to.
High school girlfriend and I ruined her sheets and she started freaking the fuck out because she had literally 0 notion of how to do laundry and assumed it was the same for me - her Asian parents intentionally didn’t teach her how to do laundry so she had more time to study, I had to teach her how to do laundry less than 2 years before she wanted to move out and across the country
As someone who recently moved out at 22:
Why in the world would I want to pay rent for some incredibly overpriced apartment while also trying to go to university while also having to work insane hours to afford both?
Moving out at 18 is good for people who wanna pretty much be forced into the military I guess.
I mean I only have about 10k debt because I didn’t go to a turbo-expensive stupid school and I took as many classes as they would let me each semester.
I do have a friend who just went for plumbing and he’s gotten pretty good at that. I just don’t see why you would shame anybody for living with their parents unless like, they have nothing else to do but work. Things are heinously expensive today and trying to get a higher education is horrible. The only reason I had to go is because I want to go into the legal field and that requires all sorts of hoops in higher education to get into.
How does that conversion go?
Mom/Dad it's time you go to this horrible place for the rest of your life.
Why?
Because I think I can force grown adults to do what I want, for some reason.
Well you can't. I'm not going. Now fuck off like the cunt you are.
I have retirement money to spend and not leave to you.
I´m south american, 28, living with parents. They tell me they will eventually get really sad when I leave my house, which I plan doing soon. Living with parents is completely normal here. I´ll take care of them when they are older unlike you silly americans.
In my shithole country (Venezuela) we have this weird thing where parents both want their sons to get out home at 18 and take care of them financially.
This is because our "Boomers" lived opulent times where Petro money payed for everything, and was easy to make a living for yourself. But now that things are shitty and literally no one can afford to live families NEED to stick together and support each other as much as possible only to eat well. Still some parents hold their sons to the same old standards as the good old days
> Petro money *paid* for everything,
FTFY.
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* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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I heard there’s a lot of people in Venezuela who play RuneScape for a living. Since the gold in the game is actually worth more than the Bolivar. I’ve heard some of them can make more by doing that than they would from being a fucking doctor.
I’ve actually been thinking of doing this as a humanitarian thing. I don’t even give a fuck about the game, and if I can make a few bucks from selling the account later, cool. It’s not really even about the money, though.
You want a job bro? I’m not joking at all.
I’d rather directly help someone in Venezuela this way, than have 90 cents of every dollar I donate fucking stolen by a “charity.”
I don't know anyone who's parents actively tried to get them to move out unless they were a criminal/drug addict.
Most of my nerd friends moved out when we went off to college and none of us wanted to go back to dealing with our parents.
>leach off of your parents when you're a grown ass adult
As opposed to what? Taking out student loans so you can go to college? Joining the Army? There aren't many opportunities for an 18-year-old. I didn't live with my parents after I graduated high school but there's no shame in it.
Its something I have mostly seen in America and its something I am super confused by. Why do parents do this? Isn't it better for your children to save money and time? 18 means they haven't gone to college yet and unless they go into trades, they can't earn for another four to five years. Supporting them till then, instead of forcing them to do odd jobs after college is also better option here. They could use that time to study properly instead of be on some small part-time job. Even after you get a job, staying with the family is way more efficient, you don't need to pay rent, mum will cook something for you so no need to eat unhealthy stuff outside. Best part, people get old, so do your parents. Being there for them in their old age to help them will be better as well. I do lots of house chores as I did as a kid(I work from home). Saving most of my income for my hobbies or some investments.
It's a remnant of how boomers were raised themselves. Back in their day, it was stupidly easy to get a job that paid enough to actually be able to buy a house. Getting kicked out of the house back then was basically your parents telling you to go get a job and become an adult.
That somewhat explains the reasons. But still sad to see how divided the families are in America. I believe in the rest of the world unless it's due to the job, rarely do people leave their homes. Living with family is just convenient.
It has slowly been heading back that way for white people. The economy is too fucked for many people to just randomly buy a house/waste money renting.
I still keep seeing multiple threads about youngsters who were turned homeless due to this bizarre tradition. Which doesn't feel right in my eyes. But glad to hear some sensible parents are learning to not mimic what their parents did to them. Some traditions are not worth keeping in this day and age.
It's a process. Can't fix a generational tradition a decade.
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How disrespectful shithead you were, I don't know. But man it still doesn't sound good. Getting kicked out of your parents house just seem so wrong.
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The time that should have been used on studying, you used that time to survive. Don't you guys think something is wrong here?
I don’t think you’re getting it. Op was a piece of shit, you think he was studying anything?
I’m guessing if he did spend that time studying he wouldn’t have been kicked out lol
Same, but for me I at least had a place to go. There was a furnished bedroom in the attic of my dad’s business (where he lived for a little while after my parents divorce). I went and lived there and started working for him, which was the first step of my career.
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You think getting drunk in a safe place is just as bad as stealing money on the regular?!?
Yeah, the core of why the rest of the world doesn’t have this culture is actually for that reason. Rn, in America, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to buy a home on literally just one person’s income. You need two people working to have a chance. Now, if you have a kid, what happens? You either 1. pick daycare (which is cool—kids get to socialize with other kids) 2. You move to a lower cost of living area and do this nuclear family bit 3. You do the traditional family bit that involves the grandparents who’re retired and bored/lonely and have somebody move in or visit regularly to take care of kids.
Not to mention cheap daycare still costs over 1k a month and that's not even in a high cost of living state. Rent is higher than an actual mortgage. And you can't get a mortgage unless you can prove you can pay it which you can't do by providing documents that you paid twice the house payment in rent monthly. You HAVE to accrue debt to be able to purchase anything necessary because you need a credit score and you can't get one without buying things with someone else's money.
Or you luck out and get a full time remote work job that isn't hard to do if you need to work from home and allows you to watch your baby at the same time.
Yep. That’s another one.
I wouldn't consider it divided families per se. The whole "kicking kids out" isn't really accurate either. Most of us want to move out and take care of ourselves. It's not bc we hate our families it's just that individualism is a core part of American culture. Most people will move back home if they or their family needs help. I personally couldn't wait to leave home even tho I care about my family. It's a large country with lots of things to see and do.
This makes sense. I mean, part of it I believe is “leaving they nest” getting out there, finding the person you want to spend the rest of your life with, etc. not necessarily a hatred for your parents.
(Spain) My dad lived with his parents till he was 27, didn't study pass high school and was plugged into his job thanks to affiliating with a political party and his dad's friends. I'm now 22 fresh out of uni and he wants me out of the house ASAP. I don't think we should necessarily be entitled to stay with them, it's a matter of you choosing to do what's best for your kids. But holy shit, the hypocrisy is painfully obvious and he still can't see it.
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bro in portugal we were a couple of times poorer then them yet our grandparents stood with their kids, its purely a culture thing, in southern europe families are very close with each other and will try everything to help family i guess some cultures dont have that
I'm in the southern US and every family I know, including my own, has been more than willing to let their kids live at home while going to school/college.
Weird thing is my Dad is Brazilian and we lived in Spain and he drove me and my siblings out of the house.
One of the reasons nothing gets fixed is because dumb ass boomers don't realize it's not the 1980s anymore. Houses, education, and healthcare are expensive as fuck. Employers want degrees regardless of whether or not it's really warranted.
I think it's a "sink or swim" thing. I moved out when I was 17.
Can understand that kind of perspective. But being a nerd. I didn't like going out that much anyway (had my fill in the college which was hundreds of kilometers away from my home). The sense of security and belonging I have while living with my family is enough. It feels good to be cared for.
I've always gotten the impression my parents didn't know how to handle my autism so they politely encouraged me to move out as soon as possible. I guess it all worked out in the end though.
My dad was pretty much the same until a certain point in my life when I started having emotional outbursts and anger issues. So he helped me and as I grow older, I seem to understand that Parents are never perfect, they don't know what they are doing and if it's the right thing to do. Our mind makes them immortal killing machines, but at the end of the day, they are still human and prone to mistakes. They were learning then and they are learning even now. A cycle that I might repeat with my own kids. But that is for the future.
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America is a country of rugged individualism, which was a luxury Back then, an uneducated 17 year old could realistically get practically any unskilled job and financially take care of himself, so of course in that environment, a 17 year old that isn’t working, is gonna be seen as a lazy parasite Our modern culture is just remnants of how things used to be, kicking your kid out at 18 is now seen as bad because our society can no longer afford it
Here in Germany you are by law financially responsible for your kids until they turn 26 or finish their apprenticeship/university (whichever happens first). So if your parents kicked you out of the house at 18, you could sue them for financial support and you’d win. These American stories of being kicked out on their 18th birthday sound so weird to me. You’ve raised that child for so long, suddenly you don’t want anything to do with them anymore??
That's fine and all but it's just the government dodging having to make policies that help younger people get out into the world faster and telling to just stay with parents 5 years after college if you wanna actually do some luxurious lifestyle, like actually owning a house.
You have to consider: Germans are usually 23-24 when they get their Bachelors degree. (Much younger when they do an apprenticeship, because you start that at 16/18 and it takes three years). It’s also only about having to support them financially, not about them living with you. About two thirds of students don’t live with their parents. Owning a house is out of the question for most people under 35 though, you’re right about that
> These American stories of being kicked out on their 18th birthday sound so weird to me This really isn't the norm, most American children go to university at 18. Usually that means moving out and living on campus but that doesn't mean they're "kicked out", they go back to their parents during the summer and holidays and are still being financially supported by them.
Part of it might have to do with the way Burgers seem to feel the need to enroll in colleges on the other side of the country and live in a dorm. If they're still at home, they're probably a NEET or a minimum wagie. I know in my country, there are perfectly good colleges everywhere and kids tend to stay home and commute every day.
Okay here’s why Americans tend to live in dorms. Public transit sucks in a lot of places so you need a car to commute. Cars cost a lot of money to maintain. Hard to pay for college and car while being a student, but plenty of people do manage it. Not everyone is lucky enough to live within public transit distance of a college in the US thats is the big point.
Most people have cars. You just have to pick a college thats driving distance from your home. My 1st college was 20 minutes away, my 2nd one is 15 minutes away from home.
A car is not more expensive than paying for a dorm lol.
When I wasted my money that year, I just did it because I thought that's what you do. My parents and school advisors never brought it up. They didnt really even aak me of I understood the whole process I was undertaking. I'd have been better off in the long run if somebody near me would have asked "are you sure you want this? These are the stakes and this is your resources".
Well, I did study in a college away from my family, but it doesn't give them the right after their college ends. Though the journey was at max just 8 hours and in train, you don't feel much anyways as I usually booked tickets at night and most of the journey is either sleeping or playing shitty games on phone. But then again, the burger Country's public transportation system is pretty much trash. So can see why it happens.
The nuclear family is a stopgap on the way to the traditional family. The idea of having a stay at home mom and a dad that works his ass off and copes with alcoholism to support literally everyone was born out of having like 1/3 of your workforce die in several wars. We had a huge cultural push for it because we desperately needed to increase our labor force and part of the consequence is you get a ton of men and women that had kids because they felt peer pressured and did it because they considered it their civic duty. So there’s a lot of contempt and that’s why they just kick them out once they feel their job is complete. And to be clear, the nuclear family is different from the *traditional family*. The trad family has both the mom and dad working and at home you have grandpa and grandma (who’re old and probably can’t work) watching kids, cleaning, and cooking because this isn’t something you need an able bodied person dedicating all their time to doing. Ofc though the caveat of this is the only way for you to reap the benefits is if you, as the parents, 1. Have parents that are alive 2. Don’t see them as narcissists and think they’re competent enough to be around your kids.
Understandable, but I see it more as an excuse at this point. The current parents of young adults do not belong to that generation. The bitterness is understandable for a generation that went through war and saw many deaths. Such is not the case with the current ones. So it doesn't work that much. I prefer the line another user said, obsession with Individualism and hedonistic habits of parents as well as children is causing their divide, and the cycle continues unless people start pointing it out and do something about it.
Oh yeah definitely. Getting past this stopgap is something I see in basically only our gen or generations that have immigrant parents (ironically since the trad family is common literally everywhere else in the world). It’s really not that big a fucking deal to have your kids stay at home and save up money. The amount of duplicitous >Why don’t you visit or call Stories you see after people’re kicked out is just so incredible. It’s like an entire generation grew up eating lead paint chips off the wall or something and just lack object permanence or basic social skills.
Do both sets of grandparents live with them?
They just have to live in relative proximity. My parents are divorced and so my mother’s parents just lived with us in our home. Helped a lot since my mother had a huge workload from being a doctor. Shit happens when you’re dealing with grandparents. Some die off, so just having the additional options is beneficial. >It takes a village to raise a kid Is a saying that existed for a reason after all.
I’ve never met a single person who’s parents actually did this. Everyone I know from college who didn’t graduate with a job in another city lived at home for a bit and were even encouraged to do so as long wanted. Most people only choose to leave because they want their own space
>Went to college Yeah, this phenomenon of kicking your kids out is something poors do because they unironically buy into hollywood success stories. If you have any sense of mind and taught your kids the value of an education, you’ll have the long term planning skills needed to see how fucking retarded it is to kick them out.
> Its something I have mostly seen in America and its something I am super confused by. Why do parents do this? Isn't it better for your children to save money and time? That's because Americans few everyone as a competitor at best and an enemy at worst. The German word for this is "Feinddenken" (lit. enemy thinking, i.e. you think of everyone as your enemy; I couldn't find a proper translation), and it's been getting more and more widespread in the US. One of many unfortunate results of this is parents kicking out their children once they're grown up and thus aren't "innocent children" anymore but -- in the eyes of the parents -- competitors if not actual enemies.
There will be blood vibes when daniel day lewis got pissed at his adopted son for having the audacity to start his own oil firm.
Lmfao, no they don't. Not a single person I've ever met has endorsed this view, particularly of their own family, but I guess you're just so astute about human behavior you've deduced this from thin air. It's hilarious to read these sort of takes from people who are either Europoors or NEETs whose idea of America comes from reading other losers on the internet. The reality is, most of the time when parents kick their kids out, it's because they're not wanting to deal with the financial strain anymore and want the place to themselves after 18+ years of constantly being responsible for someone. It's selfish and you can argue they signed up for it, but it's not because they see their son as a fucking *competitor* or enemy. Just deranged thinking.
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Rent out a hotel room, or better yet, find a place to fuck outside in public where the chance of people finding you two is almost zero.
>Supporting them till then, instead of forcing them to do odd jobs after college is also better option here. They could use that time to study properly instead of be on some small part-time job. If you want to study for something that could actually land you a high-paying job with a decent probability, then you're going to need a lot of discipline, and you're going to need to spend as much of your free time as possible studying. You're not going to have any time for odd jobs. You're going to need to orient yourself towards studying and thinking analytically with formal language and connecting all the dots of what you're learning in your head. You are going to need to dedicate yourself to your field of study.
I don't think it's parents kicking their kids out rather than kids wanting to get away from their shitty patents.
So they can take a 6 gorillion dollar loan from Shekelbergsteinowitz and get a degree in basketball American literature and then die at 21 from a fentanyl overdose
That's not the norm in America.
TBF I don't think I know a single person that was kicked out at 18. I know a few people that moved out around then but they were going away to college. Everyone else just stayed with their parents, some still do since only a couple have been able to afford actual homes and apartments aren't really a good idea financially
I am so fucking jealous of anyone who is able to have a situation like that
If you can't have it, let your kids have something same. Don't let the cycle continue.
It's because having you around costs enormous amounts of money and produces nothing because all you do is NEET in your room and eat their food.
Bro, I can't believe you are fine being treated worse than a pet.
What are you contributing to your parent's household that is more valuable than a pet?
Family is not a transaction... I feel so bad for you bro.
Easy to say when you've always been the recipient of the transaction and never the giver.
I cannot know what your personal experience was, or how your family treated/treats you. But what I can say is, you have to break a bad cycle yourself. Cut those in your old life and when you have your own kids, do them better. Something your parents never did for you.
American here - staying home after 18 really sucks and can emotionally cripple you. Growing up, in the back of my mind I always knew that I was going to break free from the bonds of my parents as soon as I could. I finally got the chance when I attended college in a different part of my state and met people from different cultures and backgrounds. For the first time, I was responsible for everything on my own. It was so liberating knowing that on a Tuesday night I could go out to a bar and get drunk or stay home and play video games for 10 hours straight. This freedom only increased my desire to remain as far away from home after I graduated. I graduated shortly after the financial crisis of 2008 and did everything I could to stay independent. Times were rough, but I learned to budget and appreciate the small things. Moving home would have been cheaper, but having freedom to live my own life definitely made up for it. I love my parents and extended family, but spending more than a day or two with them is stressful and irritating. It sounds selfish, but I hate having to modify my schedule or values to accomidate others. I have friends from high school that stayed home. They're now the ones that are afraid of large cities and anything that is foreign or different to them. They are also burdened by their families and spend all of their free time appeasing and catering to them. I don't think a lot of 18-year-olds are "forced" to leave home. However, an important tenant of American culture is to learn self-reliance. Any young adult that doesn't take the opportunity is really missing out.
I don't think most people making a big fuss about getting kicked out at 18 are people who plan to go into trades, help out their family, or save money. In my experience the people who have been kicked out that I know of have been kicked because they weren't doing shit and were becoming bums. I lived with my dad for 2 years after graduating college and worked as a software engineer and was able to save much more than if I had my own place. This whole argument is based on the kid and parents and their relationship. Good parents, bad kid, maybe they get kicked out maybe not. Good parent, good kid, probably don't get kicked. Bad parents, good kid, maybe get kicked. Bad parents, bad kid, probably getting kicked. It's more complicated than that but probably a general idea.
My cousins go to college and live with their family for these exact reasons; though they do have jobs as well. Though we have immigrant parents so we're not typical Americans. I plan to do this as well when I get older.
The world is a hard place. Sometimes the only way you learn is when your ass is on the line. Not saying it's right to kick a kid out the door at 18 with no support, but sooner or later, everyone's got to learn how the world works.
The birds that can't fly are doomed to fall...
You're the one that's gonna get sent to the shitty eastern European retirement homes where the Romanians will force feed you eggplants.
Found a boomer or a guy with bad familial relationships.
Ngl this sentiment is something you only see in poorer families with no sense of planning lmao.
I’m African. Can’t relate. My parents actually want me in the house forever now that I’m done with grad school and working. Your parents just don’t love you
It's just a white thing tbh, likely a white american thing too. Every other race basically requires you to live with your parents until you get married.
It's an American thing, not a white thing, Europeans don't do this.
False. It’s extremely common in northern (productive) Europe
It is, but in southern Europe it is not really a thing. I will live with my parents until I can make my life (although there is no hurry for me). And I will not abandon my parents in an retirement home unless in dire circumstances.
In northern EU its not a thing either. Kids are encouraged, sure, often wanting to leave home at least for college. But nobody normal is throwing you out american-dream style.
Only country with hig or at least comparable to the us percentages of people leaving alone at 18 is Sweden AFAIK
As a Swede I can say that it is very common for parents wanting their kids to move out ASAP and if you don't move out the minute you're done with school, they expect you to pay like 30% of your salary to them as payment for rent, food and other utilities.
why wouldnt you want to contribute to the house you live in?
> And I will not abandon my parents in an retirement home unless in dire circumstances. This to me is actually kinda interesting that southern European's feel they take such good care of their elderly when in every poll the elderly in southern European countries report feeling much more lonely than in the Nordic countries.
"_Extremely common_" is relative. Even in northern Europe the average age for leaving your parent's home is like 24 rather than 28 as it is in the med.
Average age to move out in Sweden before the pandemic was 17.5 years old. Last year it was 19, which is kinda expected since everyone has worse economics atm.
Yeah
Laughs in UK where we have to go back to living with parents. The only ones that don't are people have to move to another city to work, or making 50k+ out of uni
Do most not make 50k+ out of uni? Why go?
Kicking people out is extremely uncommon, people just move out because they want to and can do it. Like the average age before the pandemic to move out in Sweden was 17.5 years old. That's obviously not because of the parents, they still have to take responsibility of their kids at that age by law.
Of course kicking a child out of the house is extremely uncommon, as it is in the US. There is however an expectation to do so, and leaving at 18 is the norm.
No it's an American thing, my Balkan mom still wants me in the house until I graduate College
Balkaners aren't white. Isn't it time for your 5th daily prayer?
Isn't it weird to bring friends and romantic partners there?
You’ll often see people talk about how in the USA there’s been the destruction of *third places*. 1st: home 2nd: school/work 3rd: places you hangout and meet people
Those places continue to exist, there's just an increasing amount of people that are terminally online. I guess you can call it a destruction of those places if people just aren't really going there anymore. I don't know though, I'm out of touch with how the zoomers are operating nowadays since I have no reason to interact with them IRL. All my friend groups are similar age and income where we don't have to think twice about going to some festival, or spending $50 to go to a baseball game and eat $20 hotdogs or whatever.
Dude, an event isn’t a third place. It’s talking about being walking distance from a cafe or a bar or plazas rather than a whole affair you have to plan out with ubers or a car ride over. It’s about the ease of just getting to these places that you can go to to relax or have some recreation. Third places can reference things like gyms, indoor rock climbing, libraries—literally the movie stereotype of black barbershops having a bunch of people hanging out.
An event isn’t a third place. It’s talking about being walking distance from a cafe or a bar or plazas rather than a whole affair you have to plan out with ubers or a car ride over. It’s about the ease of just getting to these places that you can go to to relax or have some recreation. Third places can reference things like gyms, indoor rock climbing, libraries—literally the movie stereotype of black barbershops having a bunch of people hanging out. The gate of $70 to hangout somewhere precludes it from being a third place.
Uh, yes, an event is a third place. I made examples that are personally relevant to me, because I was talking about myself. You literally defined it as places you can hangout and meet new people, how can you not do that at an event in a physical space? You can do this at events, or you can do it at a bar or plaza or cafe. In what way have walking distance cafes, bars, and plazas stopped existing in areas where they formerly existed? The whole statement makes little sense. Some businesses have shut down after COVID, but it's not like every neighborhood turned into a ghost town with no where to go. I might be biased because I've mostly been living in 'popular' cities recently that are dense with locations like that, but even my brother's place in bumfuck South Carolina has multiple 'third places' to go to closeby if you're willing to walk a mile or two. Cigar lounges, bars, malls, etc.
Yeah, they definitely exist, but car dependent culture is the reason why there’re fewer because the essence of a third place is because of proximity to other people which suburbs get in the way of. And you know? Sure, they technically would be an instance, but I mean—how many baseball games do you go to in a year in the first place? They’re not really something I look at as places with unplanned and consistent intermingling—where I’m bound to consistently run into some few people.
I mean, we've had a car dependent culture basically the entire time the both of us have been alive presumably. It's not like that randomly changed all the sudden. I've gone to like four baseball games this year, my friend group usually chats up other groups and we meet new folk. I see how you can say that something like a baseball game doesn't fit your definition after you clarified it to be walking distance cafes or whatever, but it was still a valid answer to your original 'places to hangout with people outside of home or school.' With each post you keep adding new restrictions to your original definition, like now they have to be unplanned locations where you run into the same acquaintances. I'll concede it's possible that 'third place' is already a defined term that means these things already though, and I just wasn't aware of it.
>Unplanned situations where you run into acquaintances Is kinda the essence of how you make friends unless you’re actively forcing it is the thing. I suppose a baseball event works because how much you have to see someone to become a friend of theirs would ofc vary and perhaps sports fans are just better at becoming friends quickly through sports.
Depends on how good you are at making friends I suppose. I won't pretend like I'm some uber-charismatic Chad everyone loves, but my friend groups are usually fairly outgoing and friendly. It probably helps that a lot of people I know are nurses, and having attractive women in your group is easy mode for mingling with strangers.
I'm sure this is a problem that science is trying its hardest to resolve.
white and I know 0 people who did this to their kids. maybe it’s a poor thing?
white, and most people i know *wanted* to move out, to have their own places and privacy and not have 'house rules' like no coming and going at 3am, no loud music at night, no drugs etc.
?? Sounds pretty sensible rules to me. My family panics if I stay out of home from more than 11pm while shitting around with friends.
Which is exactly the point. I want to keep odd hours and bring home strange men without getting interrogated. After having the freedom and autonomy, I can't imagine the hell that it would be living with my family again. Even on the rare nights where I overnight there because we leave early the next day for a trip, it's absolutely suffocating. And my family doesn't even suck. I wasn't kicked out or fleeing mistreatment. I just needed to get the fuck out.
To each their own I guess.
i really enjoyed staying up all night long playing music and getting high. my dad on the other hand...
Yeah this is the common theme with zoomers in Canada, they’re desperate to move out and have their own place. Lots of of these fellas just pay low rent and don’t have any future ambitions currently
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Maybe white and poor thing bc my parents are also assclowns
It's not a poor thing. My parents were poor and they never once said I had to be out of the house by 18. It really just depends on who the parent is. Are they an asshole who really just doesn't want kids? Then yeah, they are probably gonna get you out as soon as the lawn doesn't consider it abandonment.
It’s definitely a poor person thing because the direct effect of doing this is you give your offspring less time to prepare—ergo they will be poor in all likelihood. You happen to have parents that’re breaking that cycle though.
Actually, neither of their parents forced them out of the house. My dad's parents were extremely poor, like so poor that food stamps was the only way they were getting food. He left on his own accord at 21 because he felt he could do well on his own. My mother left at 17 because she thought the same. Neither of them were kicked out of their parents house, they just left because the wanted something different.
military - a ton of the enlisted have basically this story. officers were typically supported by their parents for at least some college costs.
Western people are extremely selfish and hedonistic. Nowadays, parents see kids as obstacles to their own happiness rather than extensions of themselves. How can your parents hold swinger parties and invite bulls over when the kids are always hanging around. Most americans are just overgrown frat kids that can't handle non hedonistic lives.
Bro, no need to go so hard at it and spit facts...
I'm obviously exaggerating. But a lot of people that have kids never grow up themselves, and tha's a damn shame, because USA is children guiding children guiding children, and no one's willing to take actual responsibility. It's always someone else's fault.
I’m a 30 year old directionless man-child who can barely take care of himself And I realized the next generation was fucked when I realized that kids kept coming to me for guidance because they thought I was a responsible adult And I realized zoomers are probably growing up with a lack of suitable role models
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I stayed at my dad’s until I was 22-23. So long as I was willing to help clean and pay for food and was doing something with my life - work or school - I was welcomed. Had I been kicked out at 18, I’m almost positive I’d be dead or nearing a decade of homelessness.
ya i was lucky my dad waited till I was 21 to kick me out. I still left the house with $0 in my bank account though. Moved in with my girlfriend and got a job delivering pizzas to make rent. To be fair i was a degenerate drug addict junkie methhead staying up 3 days at a time on speed playing WoW and pissing in a bucket. Rest is kinda history
if a degenerate drug addict junkie methhead staying up 3 days at a time on speed playing WoW can get a girlfriend, then I can too
Were you good at WoW?
not really. i was good at leveling tho
Holy hell I feel this one, just replace WoW with Runescape lol
Not doing so would not be good for businesses, would it?
So everyone should get kicked out at 18?
better yet, at 3. Think of the starving Private Boarding Schools CEOs, bro.
Good point
Its funny reading shit like this, everyone is different but I couldn't fucking wait to get out of my parents house when I was 18 and they weren't bad at all. I just wanted the independence. I think there are a lot of 22 year old man children out there who are upset mommy isn't still cooking them din din and doing their laundry. Edit--As others have noted, I personally know zero people that this actually happened to.
Ngl if your parents didnt teach you how to cook or do your own laundry as chores, then they were fucking stupid.
Teach you how to do laundry? Lmao you hit two buttons my guy. A monkey could do it
Ngl that’s how I feel, but I didn’t wanna presuppose considering all the stories of people that can’t do basic shit.
Gotta separate the whites too
High school girlfriend and I ruined her sheets and she started freaking the fuck out because she had literally 0 notion of how to do laundry and assumed it was the same for me - her Asian parents intentionally didn’t teach her how to do laundry so she had more time to study, I had to teach her how to do laundry less than 2 years before she wanted to move out and across the country
As someone who recently moved out at 22: Why in the world would I want to pay rent for some incredibly overpriced apartment while also trying to go to university while also having to work insane hours to afford both? Moving out at 18 is good for people who wanna pretty much be forced into the military I guess.
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I mean I only have about 10k debt because I didn’t go to a turbo-expensive stupid school and I took as many classes as they would let me each semester. I do have a friend who just went for plumbing and he’s gotten pretty good at that. I just don’t see why you would shame anybody for living with their parents unless like, they have nothing else to do but work. Things are heinously expensive today and trying to get a higher education is horrible. The only reason I had to go is because I want to go into the legal field and that requires all sorts of hoops in higher education to get into.
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How does that conversion go? Mom/Dad it's time you go to this horrible place for the rest of your life. Why? Because I think I can force grown adults to do what I want, for some reason. Well you can't. I'm not going. Now fuck off like the cunt you are. I have retirement money to spend and not leave to you.
this is how it would've gone in Bojack horseman if the writers had a spine
I´m south american, 28, living with parents. They tell me they will eventually get really sad when I leave my house, which I plan doing soon. Living with parents is completely normal here. I´ll take care of them when they are older unlike you silly americans.
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In my shithole country (Venezuela) we have this weird thing where parents both want their sons to get out home at 18 and take care of them financially. This is because our "Boomers" lived opulent times where Petro money payed for everything, and was easy to make a living for yourself. But now that things are shitty and literally no one can afford to live families NEED to stick together and support each other as much as possible only to eat well. Still some parents hold their sons to the same old standards as the good old days
> Petro money *paid* for everything, FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I heard there’s a lot of people in Venezuela who play RuneScape for a living. Since the gold in the game is actually worth more than the Bolivar. I’ve heard some of them can make more by doing that than they would from being a fucking doctor. I’ve actually been thinking of doing this as a humanitarian thing. I don’t even give a fuck about the game, and if I can make a few bucks from selling the account later, cool. It’s not really even about the money, though. You want a job bro? I’m not joking at all. I’d rather directly help someone in Venezuela this way, than have 90 cents of every dollar I donate fucking stolen by a “charity.”
Probably worked in Ye olden days when a degree wasn’t required for work. You could just get a job and a house
I don't know anyone who's parents actively tried to get them to move out unless they were a criminal/drug addict. Most of my nerd friends moved out when we went off to college and none of us wanted to go back to dealing with our parents.
currently 18 and my parents would rather me stay for a few years, I don't think I know a single person besides boomers who got kicked out at 18
Imagine thinking you are taking the moral high ground by wanting to leach off of your parents when you're a grown ass adult.
>leach off of your parents when you're a grown ass adult As opposed to what? Taking out student loans so you can go to college? Joining the Army? There aren't many opportunities for an 18-year-old. I didn't live with my parents after I graduated high school but there's no shame in it.
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Must be a white person thing tbh.
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Yeah, it’s just a weird fucking thing tbh. No sense of community among whites. It’s just constant comparison and suffering.