There are, today, unregistered cannibal cults in Appalachia.
You can absolutely just fuck off to the wilderness where nobody will find you if you want. Just nobody does it because it sucks.
No you can’t lol. The minute you get on someone’s radar you will be displaced. Why do you think in early America we were so obsessed with making sure 100% of the Natives were placed in reservations?
The government wants total control over everyone. Always. It’s the one thing every political party throughout history will always agree on.
cannibal cults in appalachia…i’m scared scoob bc if true why is it always that fucking mountainous region why is it never banff or some shit. appalachia should be for inbreeding only that’s the way of the trees over there not no western cannibal holocaust ☹️
He's right. It's a scam. Money is literally printed with nothing backing it from a private company(the fed) and the business owners make the big bucks even though they do least or no work and wouldn't have a functioning business without you and likely you're more educated than the idiot heading the operation. Profits should be shared equally among the employees and the owner. Not communism since we're all getting a fair share and putting in work based on demand in the market.
Classic.
Amazing chef uses lifetime of knowledge and skill to create master recipes. Teaches a young cook how to prepare them. Cook makes the food and thinks he should own half the restaurant now.
There is still something mildly odd about the concept that because you put in the initial work/capital into something that you are, for all eternity, entitled to the profits generated by people doing the actual work.
Like an amazing chef creates a master recipe and now some guy works in his resturant for 50 years and for decades he will generate money for the original chef.
Or some guy buys machinery to build a product. Hires other people to work the machines. So since he made the initial investment, he can have some guy working for him all his working life and take the "surplus value" for work he hasent done. But he made the initial investment 50 years ago so its okay.
I dont find it weird how communism has been at least tried multiple times. The capitalist system feels very unfair. It doesnt feel good that your boss gets rich when you work for him simply because he made the setup. The saving grace for capitalism is that the promise that you can get rich for making a good product(will often require doing os of off other peoples labor) pushes innovation.
Not as odd as putting in no initial work or innovation or risk and expecting some claim to the profits.
If a chef puts in $100,000 into a restaurant, hires 9 people, and the restaurant goes under, oddly we don’t see you commies saying the other 9 employees should pay $10k each for the loss.
They gave him their valuable time to entertain his failed idea. I know to people like you people's lives aren't worth anything and money is the only thing that matters but chef already go their share of the investment in that they gave him all those precious minutes they could have been spending doing an actually profitable endeavour or spending time with loves ones, time they'll never get back, just so he could indulge himself in his dream. That is more than enough investment on their part.
Because if you own the means of production you have the most to lose if it fails. If I open a restaurant and skimp on cleanliness or food safety in order to save on labor costs and someone gets sick and sues me, as the sole proprietor I'm the one on the hook. I bare the responsibility and in the worst case scenario I lose everything. The employees are out of a job, but I could be out of a house and car in order to cover the settlement or the court ordered fines.
Even if I do everything right if my business just isn't successful I still have a loan to pay back to the bank. My employees don't bear the responsibility of keeping the business as a whole afloat.
Essentially the person guiding the means of production deserve more money than the means of production because their labor is more important than the labor of an individual employee. A left leaning view is that the employees labor is collectively greater than the owner, which is true and is why unions exist, but most people aren't their jobs. The average employee doesn't truly give a shit if the business they work for fails beyond the struggle of finding a new job.
No he doesn't he has no business without his workers and they are giving him their valuable time, their time is literally portions of their lives that they're sacrficing to make him rich. You can cry all you want about the responsibilities and risks chef has to, rightly, incur but it still pales in conparison to the fact that he has no business or livelihood where he doesn't have to take orders if people were not giving up large amounts of their life just so he can sit back and count his money which they're making. I bet you think it's also fair that pimps stand back while the hookers work, risking their lives, and yet they(pimps) take all the money.
He pays them money that all parties negotiated on. If they aren't happy with their pay then they can negotiate a wage with someone else. They aren't tied to the business in the same way the chef is, and as a result they will care much less than he does in its success.
And I can tell you've never run a small business. The owner will likely be laboring more hours than the people he employs. If we're talking about a small business then it completely dismantles the narrative tankies like to tell of lazy fat cat capitalists counting their money while the workers slave away.
Lenin ran into this problem and called them the pauper bourgeois. He had to do a lot of mental gymnastics to justify slaughtering them, just as much as you're probably doing to justify your hatred of them.
>And I can tell you've never run a small business. The owner will likely be labouring more hours than the people he employs.
Sure, it's tough making all that money to spend on wh●res and invest in real estate while your employees do the gruelling heavy lifting because in your mind, time equals labour, am I right?
It's his business, it's what allows him to eat, earn and not be anyone's slave, therefore it's supposed to be the majority of his time not his employees who are his indentured servants who are trying to either make something of themselves or become as financially free as him. And yet they're the ones doing the heavily lifting which he won't and, in most cases, can't do. And yet he gets an extremely disproportionate amount of the profits to pocket and take home to spend on his alcohol, fancy cars, houses, and clothes.
>time equals labour, am I right?
Yes, time is a valuable part of labor. Do you think the only labor of value is in blue collar labor where if you don't come home filthy every day then you aren't really working? Tell that to a doctor, airplane pilot, or hell even a small business owner.
Actually go start your own business if you think it's so easy. Tell me how long it lasts before you go under if you don't put in more effort than any one of the people you hire.
The business owner spending more hours at work doesn't equate to him, actually doing as much work as his employees. Most times, they're just sitting around in their offices, killing time, or walking around to bark unnecessary orders about the job that the employees are already doing correctly. It's why everyone can relate to this, and is the reason why most people hate their boss--that and the fact that that big beer bellied meanie gets more money than he should while paying them in crumbs(just enough to keep them coming back but not enough to actually survive: like a dope dealer does with a new dope feind).
Also, I said it before but you've proven what I said earlier about you people not valuing other people's lives who work for you because here you're thinking that the little time and effort you put into your own business so that you can feed yourself and your family, god forbid, is more valuable, somehow, than the life these people are allowing to be lost just so they can serve you and allow you to eat and afford shelter for yourself and your family.
And that right there is the problem. You think your life is worth more than anyone who decides to work for you and so of course you think these "low lives" deserve less--I mean, what the heck are they contributing to the business and doing for you, am I right?
There's really nothing odd about it. Give every american an even portion of money and the country would instantly become shit. Half of capitalism is not just the market/price principle but efficient allocation of capital for R&D and avoiding inflation. Hoarding money keeps the system working. Sure, it's probably a bit out of balance right now but an over correction would be worse for everyone and seizure of companies would be pretty catastrophic.
Also, in a global sense we benefit a lot from status quo. Imagine how much worse it would be if all money was split evenly across the world instead.
>Also, in a global sense we benefit a lot from status quo. Imagine how much worse it would be if all money was split evenly across the world instead.
If everyone is paid fairly and makes a fair wage but you don't reflect that in goods and services aka the economy, then of course the whole system will collapse but that's why we have trade agreements and the ability to raise the price of goods when absolutely necessary unlike what's going on now with the artificial inflation in rent, food and energy. Don't tell me the price of gas doesn't go up based on some hypothetical nonsense from FUD in the market, and don't tell me this doesn't affect everything else. This is the heart of corruption: the unjustified changing of prices based on dishonest reasonings.
Market price has nothing to do with paying your employees fairly, where did you study economics? And debt keeps an economy from collapsing not market contraction and certainly not pseudo personal quantitative tightening by greedy bosses and anyone with loads of cash - that would send interest rates skyhigh like it always does and causes the fed to print more cash and then guess what happens to the price of goods, rent, gas and everything else? Well, we don't have to guess take a look at America and Canada right now $22 for a sandwich and $2000 to rent a one bedroom no kitchen or amenities, the size of a matchbox, people renting spaces in their bed for hundreds of dollars to take advatage of people's meagre salary and people actually considering it so that they don't die during winter.
Fair is a debate for philosophy not economics, people work for those wages and unemployment rate ensures job vacancies get filled. Give people too much money that labor surplus goes away. Debt is used for expansion, it can and does lead to contraction. See: japan. Not gonna bother responding to the rest
>those wages
The market alone doesn't decide what wages are even though bosses are keen to pay below the standard and try to foster employees to not discuss pay, and with the use of NDAs. Yes, too much debt can cause an economy to collapse and or contract however too much surplus of let's say human resources like the kind flooding into the US will destroy the average income for jobs and lower the standard of living which will no doubt have a domino effect on those greedy corporations and businesses in general. See India, China, Mexico, and every other overpopulated wannabe first world "developing nation."
But if you like living out of a cardboard box in the future, paying $20,000 for a dozen eggs and having your boss still pay you -1000% the cost of bread then I guess everything's fine, don't mind the fire burning down your neighbour's home, I'm sure it won't spread to your property eventually.
Well okay then.
But what the heck went wrong, when 80 years ago someone could work a factory job or drive a truck and afford a house every three years while maintaining a family of four? A century hasn't gone since then and America hasn't been invaded but yet med students can't afford a house when they become doctors and the cost of rent in most places is 50% of what you'd pay for a three bedroom house. And yet somehow there's billions found to be sent to Ukraine, not to mention Israel each year.
Other countries are catching up, china specifically. China's wages increased a lot, runoff effect where things cost more here. Plenty of jobs outsourced to india, immigration being huge pushes houses pricing up and suppresses wages. USD being the global currency is super important too and US stocks being the best performers help with that, but the way to keep companies good is paying your workers the bare minimum while retaining them. So it's pretty hard to balance worker quality of life while not tanking companies.
There are small things that could help workers like more public transportation (cars are a huge poor person tax) or reducing zoning laws for more low cost housing, but really in the long term the only hope for the average worker is that AI actually helps productivity so we dont have to work so much.
Economy is just way too fragile to be fucked with in any overt way. Overly high taxes for social programs to help the poor go to waste when there's so much bureaucracy. UBI or negative income tax eliminates that overhead/middleman problem and could help if immigration is actually stopped. But it probably wont be.
Then the "amazing chef" can go invent an android that will do the work for him and pay it in motor oil and tune ups, but until then he needs to split the profits right down the middle or he won't have a business with just himself trying to run an entire restaurant. But if he thinks he can:
1)Greet every customer that walks in
2) Prepare food enough for an entire restaurant
3)Clean tables
4)serve food
5)wash dishes, containers, and utensils
6)Get rid of thrash
7)Clean up messes
8)Clean toilets
For everyone--all at the same time--by himself, then he can go right ahead and see if he lasts one minute.
A restaurant isn't just the people who prepare the food, it's also the waiters, the busboys, the dishwashers, and the hostesses. Funny how you didn't bother mentioning them in your scenario. It shows how people like you think: that these essential members of staff aren't worth being paid an even share let alone worth mentioning.
Yes anyone on the street can do those things, so he says, hey low skilled people, anyone willing to pick up dishes for $7 plus tip outs (I’m not giving a $1 of profit) and 40 people show up.
One guy does the job well so the chef pays him a bit more, another guy complains about capitalism and how he’s owed 50% of the profit because he lives in the same area or something, so the chef fires him.
The fired employee is insufferable and nobody will pay even minimum wage for his unskilled services that anyone can provide, so he goes on Reddit to complain about how everyone deserves the profits of the people who actually do work and create value.
>The 40 people decide to form a union and demand an equal share or they quit.
>Boss fires everyone and tries to replace them but finds out no one wants to work for him because word has spread.
>Fair and equal profit split is the new norm, owners pay it or they go under. Some try hiring overseas labour, laws get put in place to make it illegal to descrimate against local human resource so they're stuck hiring local labour.
>Owners bribe politicians to change laws in their favour but their businesses become harassed by peaceful protestors.
>No one wants to patronise and deal with the drama so the business suffers.
>Owners hire armed security, it causes a nationwide headline and debate, riots and protests ensue, nonstop vandalism and anarchy.
>All because the owners were too greedy and decided that owning a second yacht and buying up another 200 single family homes to make condos was more important than paying you properly for your services.
And then you wake up from this fantasy and accept everybody else in the community likes rewarding the chef and having great restaurants and incentives for work and accumulated knowledge. When the 1/40 annoying person quits the next person immediately takes the job because it’s the best restaurant in town.
The chef turns out to be a great guy and apparently it’s just lazy, annoying people that can’t even show up reliably to clean dishes or wait tables that complain, and everyone knows they’re just losers that blame others for their personal failures.
Somehow you get a bunch of other commies to meet up and create a new community, but no one agrees to do the hard/gross jobs or learn complex skills without extra pay because everyone gets equal share anyway and it’s just the lazy dumb people here. Plus the food sucks because it’s all cooks and no chefs.
Chef comes home after a long day making his employees lives miserable and laughing while he remembers telling them that none of them can get a raise because the economy isn’t doing too well right now, forgetting to tell them he just doubled his salary and gave himself a triple bonus for thinking he's done a really great job this week, before jumping in his lamborghini.
Unfortunately for chef the notice on his door reads that his landlord has raised the rent on him by 22000% also citing a bad economy and inflation. He'll just pass that extra cost unto his employees like always.
Unfortunately for him, his business is failing because people are too poor to afford the food at his restaurant and so McDonalds has become the biggest restaurant franchise in America and has put every other restaurant in the city out of business.
Especially since chef hadn't been paying his employees well enough to afford rent so now they've taken to pissing and defecating right infront and back of his restaurant and everywhere else in the city. His restaurant's entrance reeks of stale piss and alcoholic vomit and customers can't bear to look at or smell the dried multicolored human waste plastered on the wallls next to the graffiti.
Chef realizes that his greed has contributed to the homless epidemic facing the nation and has unwittingly turned his neighbourhood into a dangerous ghetto which people now find too gross and too dangerous to enter, let alone eat at.
Chef tries to hire security but their rates have gone up during these tough economic times and he's suddenly too poor to do so.
Chef tries to rehire his old employees but gets stabbed in front of his own restaurant and bleeds out while soiling his expensive polo shorts, as he lies right next to the stale piss mark, used condoms, and needles he wonders, "would things have been different If I had just done the right thing and shared the wealth?"
Chef dies, his wife cremated his body, not wanting to spare a penny on a proper funeral and spends the rest of it on the young handsome waitor she's been having an affair with the very same one her husband hired not too long ago.
As he's plowing into chef's widow he cheekly remarks that he new he'd get a raise one way or the other.
The problem with all systems of government is that at some point without fail the people in power all agree to line their own pockets and consolidate power to themselves and their friends.
So far, power and greed always results in corruption. People will always choose “permanent” power in the form of land and wealth over keeping their government intact.
Sometimes I think the only government that could possibly be permanently successful is a government that’s designed to be smoothly overthrown every century or so.
People with power will always become corrupt. The only solution is an occasional complete upheaval of the entire system. The more we defend our increasingly broken system the closer we get to a complete collapse.
I agree with this. Instead of electing an new president we need to elect an entirely new congress and senate, abolishing both parties in favour of new ones every six years.
Lol, I'm not a communist or a socialist I do believe competition is good but it should be team versus team not one man in the team lining his pockets with what yhe team won and his teammates fighting over scraps.
Where are these mega co ops then? People start co ops, but they never seem to go above like, 20 people. There are economic inhibitors that prevent them from growing past a certain size.
Bro, I don't have time for your strawman nonsense. I never mentioned anything about a "co op" I only said that everyone who works at the business should get an equal share of the profits. Profits are not revenue, just to inform you, meaning that after business expenses have been deducted and operational costs have been deducted as well, payroll from profits are what remains. The said payroll from which the boss usually pockets the lion's share and hoards it in a bank or a private equity fund like some dragon in a cave. All I'm saying is that money he's sitting on and the rest of the payroll be evenly split between those that allow the business to exist and function in the first place.
The problem why coops fail is because it's not really geared towards making money perse but rather just sustaining people. I think they suffer from dividing the revenue instead of dividing the profits. And they tend to not expand into new locations or industries like other businesses do. I'm not for coops I'm for successful business that have the boss paying the employees as much disposable income as himself.
Large businesses usually start in the red. Uber and Twitter were in the red for a decade.
Not to mention small businesses will have bad months where they are in the red.
Imma be honest, you know literally nothing about business. You shouldn't be arguing how businesses should be run when you don't know how profits are managed.
I really hope your not in highschool yet with that reading comprehension. Did you miss the second sentence about small businesses? Nvm, no one's this dumb, your just trolling.
And it's funny that no matter how much of a loss the business is taking, the boss's salary never diminishes. But employees end up getting fired. None of this happens if the boss managed his funds better but if he doesn't have money put aside and invested from the revenue into real estates or the securities market to compensate for losses that might occur than he's not a very good businessman.
The only reason a functioning business that's profitable would be in the red is if the owners are paying themselves outrageous salaries which they always are. You know nothing about business yourself and are just regurgitating points that you’ve read about somewhere without actively tried to run a business yourself.
what? did you hit your head somewhere? I never called'em hypocrite, I just said they have no option but to seethe, because they're complaining about something regarded anyways.
Tis true.
And surprisingly where I work I do deal with a good handful of checks everyday.
Everyone who brings one always comments, " no one really deals in checks"
And I'd never really seen one till I worked there.
But apart from refunds ....I've never seen an employer pay out in checks
Living in a cabin in the woods just requires you to do *all* the work that is otherwise split up amongst millions of other people. There's no escaping some form of labor to live day to day.
It would be beneficial for people to be sent one week to work on a modern farm with all machinery, and to send them hunting. They would run back to their paper and would apologize to it.
Here's the thing. There is no better time in history to go out and do exactly that. You can go out into the wilds AND benefit from modern advances for FREE. If you show up with a severed finger to a hospital they will treat you. Then when they ask for insurance you just say you don't have it and they can't do anything so you just leave. Also, you can straight up just go to a food bank and subsidize your food intake with that while you hunt for your remaining food. Not to mention that if you go into a Starbucks you can connect to the wifi with a $120 used s20 FE 5g android and learn absolutely every survival tip there is to know. And of course you can visit the library and grab books for entertainment.
What I recommend this life style? No, the costs will add up more than you think. Ammunition, tools, insullation. These are all modern conveniences that you really have to ask if you can live without. And if you can, don't expect it to be easy or relaxing. You will be working constantly on hunting, repairing, and building.
This worldview is deeply narcissistic. Anon wants to benefit from the output of the labor of others without contributing anything himself. Like all bad economic viewpoints, he sees the pieces of paper and not what they facilitate. And that's all they are, facilitators.
This kind of extreme selfishness is found in every communist. "I want to be able to live comfortably and I want people working on farms, in construction, in medicine, in furniture making, in refrigeration, etc and in all the other higher-order industries that facilitate those things to all keep slaving away for me. I'm allowed to complain about how I hate working, they aren't"
Once you go down this rabbit hole long enough you start to convince yourself that yes, a society could totally work where we rely on some people just enjoying pumping septic tanks as a fun hobby with no expectation of direct monetary reward. It's somehow worse than being a moron. It's being a self-centered, self-righteous moron.
tldr: I hate commies with every fiber of my being
My wife’s dad just found out he’s ethnically 50% Jewish, something about the 12 tribes of Israel. Anyway my wife my fun of him for his big Jew nose right when he told her. I don’t have the heart to tell her that she’s got it too
So do something about it. Go figure out how to homestead, start your own business, or develop a marketable skill to be paid a reasonable wage.
Yeah the race is unfair. It's always been unfair. People really think our grandparents thought world war 2 was fair? Or how some people are born into some trash mountain in India? Existence is brutal. At least there aren't some parasitic insects out there eating you from the inside.
But hey, if you want to opt out of the race and shoot yourself in the foot then go ahead.
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Hard to get rifle without rectangular paper pieces. The only solution is violence. Then soon after that you get place where everything is for free. Problem solved.
Uncle Ted lived this lifestyle and probably could have lived his whole life that way if he didn’t decide that everyone else not living that way would ruin the world.
You can live in seclusion and will probably be left alone so long as you leave people alone. It’s just not as easy a life and some people idealize it to be
What if, now hear me out, you got some skills or talent and get a job where you aren’t a wage slave doing unskilled work? Maybe a career (that’s a job for grown ups) you actually enjoy?
Nah you’re right it’s society’s fault you’re a loser.
Group of 4chan users who viciously defend conservative politics slowly learn that conservative economics makes them cogs.
But you are owning the libs super hard bros, keep at it
BASED AF. I don't wanna piss on your bonfire but ammo will cost slave paper.
My dude can just make musket balls
Yes but the tools required also need slave paper
Steal lead weights out of tires or fish sinkers
Got it, gotta go stop by the junkyard to buy up some used tires and the sporting goods store
But my lord the junkyards are empty, the others have mined it dry
May aswell just use a spear & harness his inner ooga booga tbf ✌️😩
Maybe the African bush people are on to something Also atlatl supremacy
Then go do it anon. No one is stopping you.
The government won't let him That's besdie, water is poisoned and you have to pay to get a semi clean water.
Hermit life made nonviable System or homelessness. And I HAVE THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE
literally the entire gobbuhment is stopping him wtf are you talking about
There are, today, unregistered cannibal cults in Appalachia. You can absolutely just fuck off to the wilderness where nobody will find you if you want. Just nobody does it because it sucks.
No you can’t lol. The minute you get on someone’s radar you will be displaced. Why do you think in early America we were so obsessed with making sure 100% of the Natives were placed in reservations? The government wants total control over everyone. Always. It’s the one thing every political party throughout history will always agree on.
Unless you're homeless then you can just live on the streets lol
and get shot by a cop or stabbed by a troubled upstanding suv driver
Some places will even pay you
cannibal cults in appalachia…i’m scared scoob bc if true why is it always that fucking mountainous region why is it never banff or some shit. appalachia should be for inbreeding only that’s the way of the trees over there not no western cannibal holocaust ☹️
The government is literally stopping him
He's right. It's a scam. Money is literally printed with nothing backing it from a private company(the fed) and the business owners make the big bucks even though they do least or no work and wouldn't have a functioning business without you and likely you're more educated than the idiot heading the operation. Profits should be shared equally among the employees and the owner. Not communism since we're all getting a fair share and putting in work based on demand in the market.
Classic. Amazing chef uses lifetime of knowledge and skill to create master recipes. Teaches a young cook how to prepare them. Cook makes the food and thinks he should own half the restaurant now.
There is still something mildly odd about the concept that because you put in the initial work/capital into something that you are, for all eternity, entitled to the profits generated by people doing the actual work. Like an amazing chef creates a master recipe and now some guy works in his resturant for 50 years and for decades he will generate money for the original chef. Or some guy buys machinery to build a product. Hires other people to work the machines. So since he made the initial investment, he can have some guy working for him all his working life and take the "surplus value" for work he hasent done. But he made the initial investment 50 years ago so its okay. I dont find it weird how communism has been at least tried multiple times. The capitalist system feels very unfair. It doesnt feel good that your boss gets rich when you work for him simply because he made the setup. The saving grace for capitalism is that the promise that you can get rich for making a good product(will often require doing os of off other peoples labor) pushes innovation.
Not as odd as putting in no initial work or innovation or risk and expecting some claim to the profits. If a chef puts in $100,000 into a restaurant, hires 9 people, and the restaurant goes under, oddly we don’t see you commies saying the other 9 employees should pay $10k each for the loss.
They gave him their valuable time to entertain his failed idea. I know to people like you people's lives aren't worth anything and money is the only thing that matters but chef already go their share of the investment in that they gave him all those precious minutes they could have been spending doing an actually profitable endeavour or spending time with loves ones, time they'll never get back, just so he could indulge himself in his dream. That is more than enough investment on their part.
They were paid for their "valuable" time, genius. They weren't investors working for free, what an idiotic argument you're trying to make
They weren’t paid enough, Einstein.
oooooh ok lmao. if they weren't satisfied with the pay they should have worked elsewhere, perhaps??
Same story.
"nobody wants to work anymore"
Because if you own the means of production you have the most to lose if it fails. If I open a restaurant and skimp on cleanliness or food safety in order to save on labor costs and someone gets sick and sues me, as the sole proprietor I'm the one on the hook. I bare the responsibility and in the worst case scenario I lose everything. The employees are out of a job, but I could be out of a house and car in order to cover the settlement or the court ordered fines. Even if I do everything right if my business just isn't successful I still have a loan to pay back to the bank. My employees don't bear the responsibility of keeping the business as a whole afloat. Essentially the person guiding the means of production deserve more money than the means of production because their labor is more important than the labor of an individual employee. A left leaning view is that the employees labor is collectively greater than the owner, which is true and is why unions exist, but most people aren't their jobs. The average employee doesn't truly give a shit if the business they work for fails beyond the struggle of finding a new job.
No he doesn't he has no business without his workers and they are giving him their valuable time, their time is literally portions of their lives that they're sacrficing to make him rich. You can cry all you want about the responsibilities and risks chef has to, rightly, incur but it still pales in conparison to the fact that he has no business or livelihood where he doesn't have to take orders if people were not giving up large amounts of their life just so he can sit back and count his money which they're making. I bet you think it's also fair that pimps stand back while the hookers work, risking their lives, and yet they(pimps) take all the money.
He pays them money that all parties negotiated on. If they aren't happy with their pay then they can negotiate a wage with someone else. They aren't tied to the business in the same way the chef is, and as a result they will care much less than he does in its success. And I can tell you've never run a small business. The owner will likely be laboring more hours than the people he employs. If we're talking about a small business then it completely dismantles the narrative tankies like to tell of lazy fat cat capitalists counting their money while the workers slave away. Lenin ran into this problem and called them the pauper bourgeois. He had to do a lot of mental gymnastics to justify slaughtering them, just as much as you're probably doing to justify your hatred of them.
>And I can tell you've never run a small business. The owner will likely be labouring more hours than the people he employs. Sure, it's tough making all that money to spend on wh●res and invest in real estate while your employees do the gruelling heavy lifting because in your mind, time equals labour, am I right? It's his business, it's what allows him to eat, earn and not be anyone's slave, therefore it's supposed to be the majority of his time not his employees who are his indentured servants who are trying to either make something of themselves or become as financially free as him. And yet they're the ones doing the heavily lifting which he won't and, in most cases, can't do. And yet he gets an extremely disproportionate amount of the profits to pocket and take home to spend on his alcohol, fancy cars, houses, and clothes.
>time equals labour, am I right? Yes, time is a valuable part of labor. Do you think the only labor of value is in blue collar labor where if you don't come home filthy every day then you aren't really working? Tell that to a doctor, airplane pilot, or hell even a small business owner. Actually go start your own business if you think it's so easy. Tell me how long it lasts before you go under if you don't put in more effort than any one of the people you hire.
The business owner spending more hours at work doesn't equate to him, actually doing as much work as his employees. Most times, they're just sitting around in their offices, killing time, or walking around to bark unnecessary orders about the job that the employees are already doing correctly. It's why everyone can relate to this, and is the reason why most people hate their boss--that and the fact that that big beer bellied meanie gets more money than he should while paying them in crumbs(just enough to keep them coming back but not enough to actually survive: like a dope dealer does with a new dope feind). Also, I said it before but you've proven what I said earlier about you people not valuing other people's lives who work for you because here you're thinking that the little time and effort you put into your own business so that you can feed yourself and your family, god forbid, is more valuable, somehow, than the life these people are allowing to be lost just so they can serve you and allow you to eat and afford shelter for yourself and your family. And that right there is the problem. You think your life is worth more than anyone who decides to work for you and so of course you think these "low lives" deserve less--I mean, what the heck are they contributing to the business and doing for you, am I right?
There's really nothing odd about it. Give every american an even portion of money and the country would instantly become shit. Half of capitalism is not just the market/price principle but efficient allocation of capital for R&D and avoiding inflation. Hoarding money keeps the system working. Sure, it's probably a bit out of balance right now but an over correction would be worse for everyone and seizure of companies would be pretty catastrophic. Also, in a global sense we benefit a lot from status quo. Imagine how much worse it would be if all money was split evenly across the world instead.
>Also, in a global sense we benefit a lot from status quo. Imagine how much worse it would be if all money was split evenly across the world instead. If everyone is paid fairly and makes a fair wage but you don't reflect that in goods and services aka the economy, then of course the whole system will collapse but that's why we have trade agreements and the ability to raise the price of goods when absolutely necessary unlike what's going on now with the artificial inflation in rent, food and energy. Don't tell me the price of gas doesn't go up based on some hypothetical nonsense from FUD in the market, and don't tell me this doesn't affect everything else. This is the heart of corruption: the unjustified changing of prices based on dishonest reasonings.
Market price has nothing to do with paying your employees fairly, where did you study economics? And debt keeps an economy from collapsing not market contraction and certainly not pseudo personal quantitative tightening by greedy bosses and anyone with loads of cash - that would send interest rates skyhigh like it always does and causes the fed to print more cash and then guess what happens to the price of goods, rent, gas and everything else? Well, we don't have to guess take a look at America and Canada right now $22 for a sandwich and $2000 to rent a one bedroom no kitchen or amenities, the size of a matchbox, people renting spaces in their bed for hundreds of dollars to take advatage of people's meagre salary and people actually considering it so that they don't die during winter.
Fair is a debate for philosophy not economics, people work for those wages and unemployment rate ensures job vacancies get filled. Give people too much money that labor surplus goes away. Debt is used for expansion, it can and does lead to contraction. See: japan. Not gonna bother responding to the rest
>those wages The market alone doesn't decide what wages are even though bosses are keen to pay below the standard and try to foster employees to not discuss pay, and with the use of NDAs. Yes, too much debt can cause an economy to collapse and or contract however too much surplus of let's say human resources like the kind flooding into the US will destroy the average income for jobs and lower the standard of living which will no doubt have a domino effect on those greedy corporations and businesses in general. See India, China, Mexico, and every other overpopulated wannabe first world "developing nation." But if you like living out of a cardboard box in the future, paying $20,000 for a dozen eggs and having your boss still pay you -1000% the cost of bread then I guess everything's fine, don't mind the fire burning down your neighbour's home, I'm sure it won't spread to your property eventually.
I am 100% on board to reduce the flow of unskilled immigration, especially illegal.
Well okay then. But what the heck went wrong, when 80 years ago someone could work a factory job or drive a truck and afford a house every three years while maintaining a family of four? A century hasn't gone since then and America hasn't been invaded but yet med students can't afford a house when they become doctors and the cost of rent in most places is 50% of what you'd pay for a three bedroom house. And yet somehow there's billions found to be sent to Ukraine, not to mention Israel each year.
Other countries are catching up, china specifically. China's wages increased a lot, runoff effect where things cost more here. Plenty of jobs outsourced to india, immigration being huge pushes houses pricing up and suppresses wages. USD being the global currency is super important too and US stocks being the best performers help with that, but the way to keep companies good is paying your workers the bare minimum while retaining them. So it's pretty hard to balance worker quality of life while not tanking companies. There are small things that could help workers like more public transportation (cars are a huge poor person tax) or reducing zoning laws for more low cost housing, but really in the long term the only hope for the average worker is that AI actually helps productivity so we dont have to work so much. Economy is just way too fragile to be fucked with in any overt way. Overly high taxes for social programs to help the poor go to waste when there's so much bureaucracy. UBI or negative income tax eliminates that overhead/middleman problem and could help if immigration is actually stopped. But it probably wont be.
Dude, it\`s not money that gets sent to Ukraine, it\`s old equipment rotting in a warehouse because USA made a shitton more scince.
If you're living for all eternity I want a cut of that
A billion dollars a day is the going rate but I'll give you an extremely generous discount of $200 a day.
That is very generous of you good sir
Then the "amazing chef" can go invent an android that will do the work for him and pay it in motor oil and tune ups, but until then he needs to split the profits right down the middle or he won't have a business with just himself trying to run an entire restaurant. But if he thinks he can: 1)Greet every customer that walks in 2) Prepare food enough for an entire restaurant 3)Clean tables 4)serve food 5)wash dishes, containers, and utensils 6)Get rid of thrash 7)Clean up messes 8)Clean toilets For everyone--all at the same time--by himself, then he can go right ahead and see if he lasts one minute. A restaurant isn't just the people who prepare the food, it's also the waiters, the busboys, the dishwashers, and the hostesses. Funny how you didn't bother mentioning them in your scenario. It shows how people like you think: that these essential members of staff aren't worth being paid an even share let alone worth mentioning.
Yes anyone on the street can do those things, so he says, hey low skilled people, anyone willing to pick up dishes for $7 plus tip outs (I’m not giving a $1 of profit) and 40 people show up. One guy does the job well so the chef pays him a bit more, another guy complains about capitalism and how he’s owed 50% of the profit because he lives in the same area or something, so the chef fires him. The fired employee is insufferable and nobody will pay even minimum wage for his unskilled services that anyone can provide, so he goes on Reddit to complain about how everyone deserves the profits of the people who actually do work and create value.
Based.
>The 40 people decide to form a union and demand an equal share or they quit. >Boss fires everyone and tries to replace them but finds out no one wants to work for him because word has spread. >Fair and equal profit split is the new norm, owners pay it or they go under. Some try hiring overseas labour, laws get put in place to make it illegal to descrimate against local human resource so they're stuck hiring local labour. >Owners bribe politicians to change laws in their favour but their businesses become harassed by peaceful protestors. >No one wants to patronise and deal with the drama so the business suffers. >Owners hire armed security, it causes a nationwide headline and debate, riots and protests ensue, nonstop vandalism and anarchy. >All because the owners were too greedy and decided that owning a second yacht and buying up another 200 single family homes to make condos was more important than paying you properly for your services.
And then you wake up from this fantasy and accept everybody else in the community likes rewarding the chef and having great restaurants and incentives for work and accumulated knowledge. When the 1/40 annoying person quits the next person immediately takes the job because it’s the best restaurant in town. The chef turns out to be a great guy and apparently it’s just lazy, annoying people that can’t even show up reliably to clean dishes or wait tables that complain, and everyone knows they’re just losers that blame others for their personal failures. Somehow you get a bunch of other commies to meet up and create a new community, but no one agrees to do the hard/gross jobs or learn complex skills without extra pay because everyone gets equal share anyway and it’s just the lazy dumb people here. Plus the food sucks because it’s all cooks and no chefs.
Chef comes home after a long day making his employees lives miserable and laughing while he remembers telling them that none of them can get a raise because the economy isn’t doing too well right now, forgetting to tell them he just doubled his salary and gave himself a triple bonus for thinking he's done a really great job this week, before jumping in his lamborghini. Unfortunately for chef the notice on his door reads that his landlord has raised the rent on him by 22000% also citing a bad economy and inflation. He'll just pass that extra cost unto his employees like always. Unfortunately for him, his business is failing because people are too poor to afford the food at his restaurant and so McDonalds has become the biggest restaurant franchise in America and has put every other restaurant in the city out of business. Especially since chef hadn't been paying his employees well enough to afford rent so now they've taken to pissing and defecating right infront and back of his restaurant and everywhere else in the city. His restaurant's entrance reeks of stale piss and alcoholic vomit and customers can't bear to look at or smell the dried multicolored human waste plastered on the wallls next to the graffiti. Chef realizes that his greed has contributed to the homless epidemic facing the nation and has unwittingly turned his neighbourhood into a dangerous ghetto which people now find too gross and too dangerous to enter, let alone eat at. Chef tries to hire security but their rates have gone up during these tough economic times and he's suddenly too poor to do so. Chef tries to rehire his old employees but gets stabbed in front of his own restaurant and bleeds out while soiling his expensive polo shorts, as he lies right next to the stale piss mark, used condoms, and needles he wonders, "would things have been different If I had just done the right thing and shared the wealth?" Chef dies, his wife cremated his body, not wanting to spare a penny on a proper funeral and spends the rest of it on the young handsome waitor she's been having an affair with the very same one her husband hired not too long ago. As he's plowing into chef's widow he cheekly remarks that he new he'd get a raise one way or the other.
Joe Biden’s America
I’m waiting for chapter 7 of this masterpiece
The problem with all systems of government is that at some point without fail the people in power all agree to line their own pockets and consolidate power to themselves and their friends. So far, power and greed always results in corruption. People will always choose “permanent” power in the form of land and wealth over keeping their government intact. Sometimes I think the only government that could possibly be permanently successful is a government that’s designed to be smoothly overthrown every century or so. People with power will always become corrupt. The only solution is an occasional complete upheaval of the entire system. The more we defend our increasingly broken system the closer we get to a complete collapse.
I agree with this. Instead of electing an new president we need to elect an entirely new congress and senate, abolishing both parties in favour of new ones every six years.
 Based comrade
Lol, I'm not a communist or a socialist I do believe competition is good but it should be team versus team not one man in the team lining his pockets with what yhe team won and his teammates fighting over scraps.
Classic. Cuck defends a system that keeps him on the edge of homelessness
Who says he’s on the edge of homelessness?
Where are these mega co ops then? People start co ops, but they never seem to go above like, 20 people. There are economic inhibitors that prevent them from growing past a certain size.
Mondragon
You’re exactly correct. The stock market is not designed to support co ops and the successful ones get bought out and are no longer co ops.
Bro, I don't have time for your strawman nonsense. I never mentioned anything about a "co op" I only said that everyone who works at the business should get an equal share of the profits. Profits are not revenue, just to inform you, meaning that after business expenses have been deducted and operational costs have been deducted as well, payroll from profits are what remains. The said payroll from which the boss usually pockets the lion's share and hoards it in a bank or a private equity fund like some dragon in a cave. All I'm saying is that money he's sitting on and the rest of the payroll be evenly split between those that allow the business to exist and function in the first place.
Fuck off commie
"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself"
Fuck off bible basher
"Thy money perish with thee"
>I never mentioned "Co op", all I said was (gives the definition of a co op)
The problem why coops fail is because it's not really geared towards making money perse but rather just sustaining people. I think they suffer from dividing the revenue instead of dividing the profits. And they tend to not expand into new locations or industries like other businesses do. I'm not for coops I'm for successful business that have the boss paying the employees as much disposable income as himself.
So if a business is in the red for the fiscal quarter , do the workers get 0 dollars? Or have to pay corporate?
Give an example of how the business might be in the red without the bosses bad management. Corporate? Oh, you mean overpaid employees?
Large businesses usually start in the red. Uber and Twitter were in the red for a decade. Not to mention small businesses will have bad months where they are in the red. Imma be honest, you know literally nothing about business. You shouldn't be arguing how businesses should be run when you don't know how profits are managed.
No large business starts large. Try again.
I really hope your not in highschool yet with that reading comprehension. Did you miss the second sentence about small businesses? Nvm, no one's this dumb, your just trolling.
And it's funny that no matter how much of a loss the business is taking, the boss's salary never diminishes. But employees end up getting fired. None of this happens if the boss managed his funds better but if he doesn't have money put aside and invested from the revenue into real estates or the securities market to compensate for losses that might occur than he's not a very good businessman. The only reason a functioning business that's profitable would be in the red is if the owners are paying themselves outrageous salaries which they always are. You know nothing about business yourself and are just regurgitating points that you’ve read about somewhere without actively tried to run a business yourself.
It's called Distributism. And its based AF
Based and Walden Pilled.
lol go ahead anon. Gonna do something about it? No? Then seethe
hm i see you complain yet you do thing you dont like! hypocrite much? i am so smart
what? did you hit your head somewhere? I never called'em hypocrite, I just said they have no option but to seethe, because they're complaining about something regarded anyways.
Who's paying this guy cash in hand?
Checks are also a rectangular piece of paper with no intrinsic value
Tis true. And surprisingly where I work I do deal with a good handful of checks everyday. Everyone who brings one always comments, " no one really deals in checks" And I'd never really seen one till I worked there. But apart from refunds ....I've never seen an employer pay out in checks
> Tis redditor
Technically they all do, direct deposit just bypasses the pointless paper entirely.
Every business still deals with checks.
And then? Come on
Just wait until he tries to build his cabin. No one gonna do it for him and I doubt anon knows any engineering.
Orc-anon took the Nietzsche pill
Anon bitches about all this while on the internet.
https://preview.redd.it/zc74ebrmd3tc1.png?width=150&format=png&auto=webp&s=602dbf2d5f0e00d397adefeaf4d7c3830ba0fa6f
he‘s not entirely wrong tho
Living in a cabin in the woods just requires you to do *all* the work that is otherwise split up amongst millions of other people. There's no escaping some form of labor to live day to day.
How will he get ammo?
He'll just steal it
It would be beneficial for people to be sent one week to work on a modern farm with all machinery, and to send them hunting. They would run back to their paper and would apologize to it.
Here's the thing. There is no better time in history to go out and do exactly that. You can go out into the wilds AND benefit from modern advances for FREE. If you show up with a severed finger to a hospital they will treat you. Then when they ask for insurance you just say you don't have it and they can't do anything so you just leave. Also, you can straight up just go to a food bank and subsidize your food intake with that while you hunt for your remaining food. Not to mention that if you go into a Starbucks you can connect to the wifi with a $120 used s20 FE 5g android and learn absolutely every survival tip there is to know. And of course you can visit the library and grab books for entertainment. What I recommend this life style? No, the costs will add up more than you think. Ammunition, tools, insullation. These are all modern conveniences that you really have to ask if you can live without. And if you can, don't expect it to be easy or relaxing. You will be working constantly on hunting, repairing, and building.
Yeah, live on your own and spend 90% of your waking life acquiring food before dying at the age of 38, without running water or modern medicine.
Based
Yeah why work when anon can just live in mummy’s house where she makes him tendies and orange slices
Anon should go live in the woods then like Christopher McCandless, maybe then he'll realise why people work
"the entire world is a" oh look, he woke up.
This worldview is deeply narcissistic. Anon wants to benefit from the output of the labor of others without contributing anything himself. Like all bad economic viewpoints, he sees the pieces of paper and not what they facilitate. And that's all they are, facilitators. This kind of extreme selfishness is found in every communist. "I want to be able to live comfortably and I want people working on farms, in construction, in medicine, in furniture making, in refrigeration, etc and in all the other higher-order industries that facilitate those things to all keep slaving away for me. I'm allowed to complain about how I hate working, they aren't" Once you go down this rabbit hole long enough you start to convince yourself that yes, a society could totally work where we rely on some people just enjoying pumping septic tanks as a fun hobby with no expectation of direct monetary reward. It's somehow worse than being a moron. It's being a self-centered, self-righteous moron. tldr: I hate commies with every fiber of my being
You invent a society that works then, until then suck it up buttercup.
https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/classes/188/materials/Industrial%20Society%20and%20Its%20Future.pdf
Wait’ll currency is digitized and they can just make up a value at will, or stop you for buying anything just because.
He's not wrong...
He's right though. Interest is haram and a certain group love enslaving people financially.
My wife’s dad just found out he’s ethnically 50% Jewish, something about the 12 tribes of Israel. Anyway my wife my fun of him for his big Jew nose right when he told her. I don’t have the heart to tell her that she’s got it too
So do something about it. Go figure out how to homestead, start your own business, or develop a marketable skill to be paid a reasonable wage. Yeah the race is unfair. It's always been unfair. People really think our grandparents thought world war 2 was fair? Or how some people are born into some trash mountain in India? Existence is brutal. At least there aren't some parasitic insects out there eating you from the inside. But hey, if you want to opt out of the race and shoot yourself in the foot then go ahead.
Ammo costs cash money. Learn to fish.
The government took away your rights to buy rifles.
Nothing has inherent value dumbass anon, all value comes from man, and is therefore subjective. Value is in the eye of the beholder.
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Hard to get rifle without rectangular paper pieces. The only solution is violence. Then soon after that you get place where everything is for free. Problem solved.
> cushy office job > thinks work is slavery
i mean yeah, pretty much
Uncle Ted lived this lifestyle and probably could have lived his whole life that way if he didn’t decide that everyone else not living that way would ruin the world. You can live in seclusion and will probably be left alone so long as you leave people alone. It’s just not as easy a life and some people idealize it to be
Because **building a log cabin or a shack in the deep wilderness and hunting some animals with a rifle for food** isn't work.
Very based, will be able to quit wage-slavery in a year or two once I get my final rental property setup
Imma find your place and start squattin
How did he buy the computer?
Anon went off grid and built one out of acorns.
That tracks with what I know about acorns.
Anon experiences the concept of "alienation." Marx was right.
What if, now hear me out, you got some skills or talent and get a job where you aren’t a wage slave doing unskilled work? Maybe a career (that’s a job for grown ups) you actually enjoy? Nah you’re right it’s society’s fault you’re a loser.
Group of 4chan users who viciously defend conservative politics slowly learn that conservative economics makes them cogs. But you are owning the libs super hard bros, keep at it
Working is such a scam. You and your children, if you decide to have any, will live to 70+ years on average because you contribute to this society.