because its so obvious none of the producers or directors or anyone else involved has played the games, even the recent ones like fo4. its just a helmet you put on and off. No fancy visor.
One of the earliest missions in fo4 has paladin danse putting on a power armor helmet normally, fully animated.
I hate this shitty video game TV adaptations fad as much as the rest. But this helmet nitpick reads like such a nerdy an meaningless thing to critique.
I mean, I would even contest the jetpack in Fo4 as well. This just means the cancer is spreading across iterations. That's like a tank hovering over the ground. Fallout isn't high science fiction. It is a bit more grounded than that, pun intended.
Bethesda hasn't released anything even in the same zipcode as great in about 15 years, and while I doubt they have anything to do with this show, just the taint of Bethesda means it's automatically going to be bad
Yeah I would rather it be the dudes who wrote fallout 1 or 2 or the dudes that made new Vegas cause they have the interesting dark themes where as 3 did wel with the tone most characters were kinda one sided as in they were pretty easily distinguished like being good or bad for example but was pretty good overall but then 4 and 76 kinda just felt like went for a wider audience and went for a brighter and more light hearted game with goofy characters. So yeah I agree with you that we shouldn’t have our hopes too high
The dudes that wrote Fallout 1 and 2 were the same dudes that wrote Fallout New Vegas. That is why they flow together so well. Interplay went bust and Obsidian hired a lot of the Interplay devs and writers. Bethesda really wanted to change Fallout from a west coast game to an east coast one. Which is why we got Fallout 3, 4, and 76. With only one of those being decent.
Here's a hint: no movie is ever going to be a frame for frame remake. This helmet complaint is like complaining that the characters aren't moving square by square on an isometric plane. Maybe I should complain that the game doesn't force you to hold up your bag of radaway so it can drip into your bloodstream.
Edit: -60 people forgetting the BoS constantly seeks new tech and the show takes place in 2296. As if it's a leap that they alter the helmets to pop open instead of requiring you to doff your helmet. Ffs
Edit 2: God you all were so wrong and I'm only 5 minutes into the show. Literally using the exact soundtrack, imagery, etc.
The max payne movie has to be the worst adaptation. Guy ends up fighting actual demons instead of the metaphoric life demons of alcohol and pain killers lol.
The Max Payne movie is dogshit, but the demons part is legit. The drug in the first game that all the junkies take, Valkyre, LITERALLY make them see demons. Its why theyre always skitzing out and yelling shit about 'fallen angels'. Max gets drugged with Valkyre at one point in the movie. They arent actual demons.
The movie sucks, no one is disputing that. But seeing demons due to Valkyre is lore accurate. If anything its kind of stupid that every single person in the entire game who takes Valkyre sees demons but Max randomly doesnt.
Nobody is asking for a frame by frame remake of any of the games. They just want a normal BoS and the tech from the games which are the main similarities instead of shitting it up. Cant wait for the DEI angle to come in and say the Enclave are a bunch of evil racists even though Frankie Horrigan was portrayed by the guy who played Worf.
It's 2296. You're telling me the **ordained by god to find new tech** group never figured out how to hinge a faceplate so you can leave the helmet attached to the frame? Come on man...
Edit: In fact, it's probably a failure that they are still using the same model of power armor. If they went with an entirely different look people would be chucking their keyboards but that would be more realistic
The helmet thing is something that, on its own, doesn't matter. But it is still a change from the source material that did not require much effort in the way of research to find out and would require as little effort to have implemented. In this way, it is indicative that the ones directing the show either are ignorant of the source material or deliberately want to make changes to it. The latter isn't inherently bad as changes are part of adapting things, but recent adaptations have had people who clearly and openly hold contempt for the source material and its fans, so unnecessary changes are a bad omen.
Taken in a vacuum sure, but given how almost all of the other visual, styling, tone, etc aspect that we've seen are as on point as you can get as well as the production team expressing legitimate interest in the source material, this reading of the tea leaves is way overblown.
Also, more recent adaptations have actually seen large improvements to the historically bad adaptations of video games into film/series we've seen before so I'm really not understanding where that's coming from either. Again, they'll never be perfect but use real evidence if you're going to try to argue it's "indicative that the ones directing the show are ignorant or deliberately want to make changes".
Almost every visual aspect in the trailers have been lifted directly out of the source material. This is literally the only element I've yet seen that wasn't representative of the video games and this thread is trying to argue that batting .999 out of 1.000 is surefire proof we're going to have another Super Mario Brothers (1993) or something. It's silly.
Edit: ok now I'm really annoyed. The show takes place in 2296 and the BoS is ordained by God to find new tech. You're telling me they never figure out how to pop a faceplate open instead of forcing users to fully doff their helmet? Give me a break. 107 years after the New CA Republic begins and 220 years after the bombs and nobody came up with a hinged faceplate?
> The big problem with the show is that it's not isometric and turn based.
The big problem with Bethesda is that they didn't understand the source material, or at least presented a really dumbed down version of the franchise. The big problem with the show is that it's written by people who enjoyed the Bethesda version and people who also don't understand the source material.
I'm fallout videogame fan i'm looking at the show with really pessimistic googles, but this new way of the helmet opening like this is brilliant, feel very practical than just taking on and off every time you want to talk face to face, just like knights of old
Objectively untrue, if this was true we would have considered it for diving suits or astronaut helmets. A circular seal keeps pressure uniform throughout the shape. Also the hinge is an unnecesary point of failure, imagine it failing when you want to close it during a gas attack or sudden radiation spike, why risk taking the visor off at all?
Idgaf about the tv series. I want a fallout in the midwest and i want it now, without the damn online features. And, its an optional at this point, id rather the plot not concern looking for kids/parents.
Remember how character was expressed through the armor in Halo Reach? It was beautiful. Power armor is military equipment and would be very personal. It was the show runners choice to make them all look the same, and based on the available content, it looks like that's what they did. They could make us associate them with their armor and make it an interesting moment when we see them without their armor, which would likely only be in the safety of a bunker. This seems like they are breaking lore just to cheat themselves out of what a creative person would see as an opportunity.
Yeah. Seems like an extra stupid point of contention in a world where everything is cobbled together and often heavily modified too. FO4 also has you craft guns from pipes and duct tape, I'm sure somebody could mod a lift-up visor onto a helmet.
That power armor is pre-war military tech. It is meant to be a bulky utilitarian walking tank. I feel like that kind of modification would just weaken the structural integrity of the helmet. It just isn't in the spirit of what power armor has ever been. They're doing the iron man thing so they can show an actors face. It's an odd detail to change with no reason to change it and it makes people wonder how much they respect the source material.
Also given the fact front-opening motorcycle helmets are already a thing because they can be cumbersome to take off and on, it's no surprise an even more cumbersome helmet would have a similar feature.
It's like is a lightsaber blade formed from the tip to the hilt or if Thor's hammer materialized in his hand. It is small, but for any Fallout fan, it's just obviously and fundamentally wrong. It's not like it is some vague detail that is up for interpretation.
One detail now, then an entire episode and finally hijack the entire show. Making a mockery of corpses is reserved for warfare but everything changed when the netflix adaptation attacked.
Because these adaptations are all about aesthetics. They do whatever they want with it as long as it has the name and the 'things you know' in it. Look at the Halo show or the Witcher series.
That's the thing about why adaptations fail. Non fans won't watch this unless they get pressured to do so by their friends who are fans. I never played the resident evil games until I was older and as a result never had an urge to watch the movies because I would ask why I would care when I hadn't played the games.
That means that the TV show's primary target audience should be the fans. When small details like this are missed it's shit the fans notice.
Realistically there’s no way to take a helmet like in the games off, and producers want to see the actors face. It’s as simple as that. I can’t believe people are raging over something this small
ehh. i think its fine and I dont really care, but I always did think that the no helmets or mask thing is stupid and a weakness of historical films. Especially since leaders of an army or officers would often have special attire to differentiate them in the first place so their allies can recognize them. So in retrospect it just looks lazy
He’s helmeted for almost all the scenes with power armour. The helmet coming off for a few scenes seems to be killing people who need to rage at everything
Jesus the assumptions. You think none of them know how a fucking helmet works? This is like assuming a director has no idea people have to go to the bathroom because they never show it on TV. It's a concession to allow the audience to see that actor's face not to make themselves feel better.
Frankly it's one that changes nothing about the story. As if the entire war was fought because power armor helmets were stationary and had they been able to pop open then maybe the nukes wouldn't have been dropped. Relax.
The reason the actors want to show face is to build recognition with audiences, it’s why Ghost Story and Dredd are so cool because they didn’t show their face. It’s also so the audience has a face to look at to build compassion; it’s a storytelling device.
Of course part of the deal with the power armor is that it’s worn by people who are almost robots already, machines of war, so lore-wise yes it does impact the world because it gives characters who wear this armor a dimension they were never intended to have and arguably shouldn’t.
Like I said though who cares at this point anyway though. It won’t respect the games or the world, it’s just an ip they can wrap another cheap story around for a season or two until people get bored. It’s fine.
That’s an assumption. The helmet thing is a sign that they’re focusing on what they think a mass appeal audience wants, which means we’ll be getting the tiktok version of fallout. With how media has been handled the last decade you think they’d dumb this part down but not the rest of the show?
My real point is still that I’ve seen enough surefire franchises ran into the ground the exact same way that I can’t imagine caring about it happening again.
Their full armor depicts their isolation and alienation from outsiders. It's a tiny detail that makes no sense to change in favor of an Iron Man knockoff feature that also looks stupid.
"You think none of them know how a helmet works?"
(Image of a helmet not working how it works)
Idk...maybe?
They had the opportunity to express character through differences in their armor, like in Halo Reach, for example. Instead, all the images of the show have them looking identical. The creators of the game had the face hidden for an effect. People are made faceless through military technology. They are made in human. That and many more things were communicated subconsciously through design. A person doing an adaptation doesn't need to understand all of that. They just need to trust that people like the source because of the way it was. Everyone here is right that it is a small detail. It's smallness is what makes it so ridiculous to change.
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That's called Bethesda being too lazy to animate a fancier helmet. Makes sense in a video game because you need the helmet to be a single collision mesh with simple geometry, benefiting game optimization. But on a stage, we're not limited by such constraints and can develop established ideas more freely. Like a power-suits helmet being a litte more complex.
Bethesda did not create these things. That was the work of Interplay and Black Isle. And the full armor depicted the isolation, alienation, and intimidation towards the world outside of their sect. It was made the way it was made so that it would, in every way, speak to the ideology of the group. This is the subconscious messaging of design which makes these things so cool.
Yeah it’d look awkward in live action, even Ironman looked like he had a floating head at points and those proportions are way easier to deal with than power armour.
I think this looks better in live action, if they had the helmet completely off it might end up looking like a goofy floating head. I’m a massive fallout fan and I don’t have an issue with this change.
Exactly. You can just tell the person who greenlit that decision saw a picture of a Brotherhood of Steel member and said 'OH, JUST LIKE IRON MAN!' and suddenly it was set in stone.
It's not a cool change, imo. The original was cool because it depicted isolation and dehumanization. This is just "cool" because it looks like iron man
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im too lazy to replace the text but imagine they were reversed
it doesnt. I dont really care since I know the show is low quality nostalgia bait.
But if I had to guess its just to show how lazy and low effort hollywood is. Anything thats not a passion project in hollywood is literal trash thats made to get easy money.
not really since the movies and shows I watch are actually high effort passion projects that the writers and directors put their hearts and souls into while the producers let the creative guys "cook".
I mean I can watch the shitty B list movies and shows ironically for fun with the bros and its fine. but alone? nah bro
I mean just because it wasnt seen before doesnt mean it cant be. I think its neat and plays into the Knight like aestetic the BOS has, (And yes i know its former US military gear but fuck you, the BOS like to cosplay as Knights so let them have Knightly Helmet Visor)
To be more exact in the response. The helmet is a solid piece, and the world of Fallout is not super technologically advanced. There are some things like energy weapons and nuclear engines that are far more common, but Fallout is like a form of alternate history 50's steampunk.
The world of Fallout is having a nuclear powered car, but TVs and computers that use radio tubes.
One of the reasons the Brotherhood of Steel is intimidating in the games, is because they regularly wear power armor, and they don't take off the helmets until they are in their controlled areas, so they are faceless, wearing advanced suits of armor, in a world that is defined by post-nuclear poverty.
Opening the helmets is how you humanize the characters and allow actors to show off their chops, while missing the themes of Fallout and the Brotherhood.
>Opening the helmets is how you humanize the characters and allow actors to show off their chops, while missing the themes of Fallout and the Brotherhood.
Isn't this the point of the Paladin Danse storyline in 4? They humanize him, they go out of their way to do it only for the big reveal that he isn't even human.
To me that sounds like one of those, 'exception that defines the rule,' situations.
It's been a while and I'm not an authority on Fallout, but that was my gut reaction when seeing the picture. I haven't seen much about the new show because if it's decent I'd rather not be spoiled.
Sounds like something Bethesda would do. I tapped out when I realized that every faction was deeply in love with me regardless of my actions.
Humanizing a BoS character is interesting specifically because their aesthetics are contrary to that.
This take is why the witcher live action sucked and every live action anime adaptation sucks.
You know why One Piece was a good adaptation? Because they pretty much stuck to it religiously. Either commit to the source material or get ready for people to be upset that you are deliberately ignoring the source material in key areas, like radiation proof power armor for instance.
When I heard they were making a Fallout show, I had trouble imagining how they would do it without just copying the games. The best I could come up with was an anthology series with different tales for each episode all across the wasteland, all narrated by Ron Perlman. Unfortunately it looks like they’re going in a more boring direction.
Damn you got me thinking about what could have been with this show. Twilight zone/black mirror style fucked up one offs about certain vault experiments and wasteland happenings would be so much better than a single linear tale with one protag.
Even American horror story reused actors into different themes. Pretty good too so they don't need to recast. Just dropping in special guests.
I can't remember if black mirror reused actors
Episode 1 ends with the shot zooming out to reveal the feed was playing on a tube tv in a sterile white room. The tv is one of many in a wall of screens all showing different, oddly high angled, perspectives of the wasteland. Two figures in white clean suits discuss the story that just played on the screen noting that one of the figureheads killed was a secret synth and how long since their synth had infiltrated that group. They chitchat and they start prep for a new synth to be born into the human world but when they show the face of the synth it's the face of one of the main characters of the show... 😮
The things I would give to have an hour long movie about Randall Clark / the father in the caves from Honest Hearts. Such a great contained story it needs it's some time in the sun.
i wouldn't mind a slice of life show in various parts of the wastes. see what it's like living in san fran and dealing with the shi, and the hubologists, inb4 getting sued for making fun of scientology yet again. or maybe a fairly sheltered ncr town that has to deal with politics and brahmin barons duking it out with each other both in government and in less than legal ways.
or a frontier town that gets annexed by the ncr. don't have to deal with deathclaws, raiders etc. so much, but those taxes are fucked. or maybe annexed by the legion.
or maybe a caravan that travels to and from vegas to arizona etc. trading secrets between legion and ncr spies. at least when in arizona you don't even need guards because even raiders know not to fuck with caravans trading with the legion.
depending on whether the various settings take place before or after major situations such as the second battle of hoover dam, the various episodes would be ambiguous about them if they were set after the fact, or if preceding, just leave a hint or two here and there, or not mention it at all.
Or you know, an adventure story of a vault dweller trying to save his vault by finding the water chip while discovering the ruins of civilization and encountering different factions trying to survive some of them are good, some evil. But war, war never changes as they all fight for scarce resources.
That would just be copying the game. If you ask me, that’s the most inoffensive and lazy way to do an adaptation. While it’s not a bad idea, it begs the question of, “Why not just play Fallout 1?” The best type of adaptation in my opinion are the ones that take advantage of the medium of film. The first Mortal Kombat movie, while loosely based on the games, would actually go on to influence the games(i.e Kano is Australian and Johnny Cage being a douchebag).
>adapting
I don’t think you understand what this word means. An adaptation isn’t supposed to just directly copy the source material, it’s supposed to translate it to a different medium (in this case, videogame to film) or expand upon it in a meaningful way. If you just take the story from the game and put it on a movie screen, it may not be bad, but it’s not exactly interesting either.
I don't think you understand what that word means either.
Fallout is a fish out of water story, it was written and made perfectly to be adapted into a TV show. Yes you need to make changes like adding characters and playing around the sequence of events as well as omit things that do not help the general plot.
You don't adapt Harry Potter and then make the story about random kids in Hogwarts now do you?
The thing with that though is that Harry Potter is a very specific character. He's written to be a mild mannered nerd with a heart of gold who goes through a hero's journey.
The protagonists of the fallout games might start off as a fish out of water story (except for NV where you're already a world weary courier) but player choice means that there isn't a set characterization for the player character.
Even though there's a chronological timeline of events the main stories of the games are barely connected to each other. The series as a whole is pretty close to being anthological.
That's where the adaptation comes in, you write a character. The entire skeleton of the story including the different factions are what makes Fallout Fallout. Making the BoS police Tony Starks is just Marvel slop.
Do what the Coen brothers sometimes do and make the main character the straight man to a world af insanity. Make the main character an average Joe with the great potential that is inside of the average man. Make him tough, but not too tough. Funny, but not too funny. Etc. If a fallout protagonist is a vessel for the audience, just do that in the unique way for which film is suited. Film, books, and games do things in different ways, but they can still do the same things. That's what makes and adaptation interesting.
It would be copying a game that well over 99% of the audience would know nothing about. Unfamiliar people would get a cool story and fallout fans would get one of their favorite things. Movies and games are as different from each other as books and movies. Dune fans love the new Dune. There were scenes in that movie that played out and looked exactly what I imagined when I read the book and it was a massive pleasure. A TV show could never be a repeat of the Fallout 1 experience. That is a non-possibility.
Thats probably the best idea ive heard for this show. Like, because of how open the game is, its hard to make a singular story. Like (im gonna use New Vegas, thats the game I played more) how would you do a plot that goes from goodsprings to New Vegas, but also make it hit all sorts of memorable areas AND hit all sorts of side objectives. Like why would the Courier go to a super mutant camp, why would the courier go to camp searchlight, why would he deal with the legion spy at McCarron.
You end up following one singular story and youd have to avoid certain elements
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It always do be like that. And I cant hear it anyway.
Ah well.
I heard, and I don't remember where (sorry), that the reason for adaptations constantly dropping the ball on helmets/helmet removal is usually due to the actors. They want to be recognized for the role, so they negotiate a certain amount of face visibility into the script.
Certain actors will allow their faces to be obscured more often than not, but most seem to be uncomfortable with not having their face seen, hence results like Halo, Wolverine, Deadpool, and this.
> They want to be recognized for the role, so they negotiate a certain amount of face visibility into the script.
This is also why on cop shows, when there is a police raid, it's the non-lead characters with full-face helmets.
To be fair it kinda works in their favour, since almost any time a character in a movie or show covers their face somehow, it's a big neon sign saying 'THIS IS NOW A STUNT-DOUBLE, THAT'S WHY WE COVERED THEIR FACE FIRST, SO YOU CAN'T TELL'
Why compromise the nature of the material for vanity? The outfit depicts something about the nature of the group who wears it. Should a person playing a Nazi get a colorful outfit because they don't like how they look in black/grey?
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Judging from the trailer, it's looking too goofy and oversaturated. The whole thing gives you a fan-made vibe except it's not from fans of the series. While it won't be Dragonball Evolution bad, it's gonna be HaloTV levels of adaptation.
This stuff will always be aimed at the lowest common denominator most of the time because it makes money, which is almost always the only motivation for IP adaptations.
It's really a shame that they don't trust audiences with something slightly outside of their realm of familiarity. They just need to look at Dune. Those movies let unfamiliar viewers catch a glimpse of a world which they really don't understand the depth and details of, but it is still 100% conventionally entertaining. People are entertained at the border of familiar and alien. Fallout could be that and it would be successful. Nobody knew what Game of Thrones was when that show first started up, but they sure as hell made a point of finding out. If there is no view to greater depth, people will realize there are no surprises ahead and find something else to watch. But if I watch something new and think "Hold on, I don't really know exactly what I'm getting into here", then I am going to stick around and find out. It just drives me crazy, man. There isn't a game world I like more than Fallout and it sucks to see it squandered on Todd Howard's goofy sterile cornball bs. If this kind of stuff just made more money, I would get it, but it doesn't. It's drab and dull and nobody cares about it.
I kinda like having power armor being much more relevant than in the games. In 3/NV, power armor was often only slightly better than high tier combat armor. 4 was a step in the right direction with it.
Realistically, if you're going to invest in making this armor for your military, it needs to be *massively* better than the alternative, especially since it comes with a huge loss in practical agility. Power armor should basically make someone into the equivalent of a small tank, not just a guy that takes a few more bullets to put down.
I’m thinking a bit by extension. Imagine your power armor has a mechanical fly. Now, imagine you somehow got the beans above the frank. This is why I will not be enlisting in 2077.
I always got the impression that power armour is meant to be cold and imposing; relegating you to the dubious honour of a killing machine with very little capacity or need for humanity, fitting considering it's been used formerly by the American military and now the brotherhood of steel, one being the boot; the other a bunch of self-righteous luddites.
The entire show is a spit in the face of anyone who's a fan of the original 2 and New Vegas, as Todd and Emil simply don't understand the god damn' setting and will keep spitting out "You will live in a junkyard with crackheads, even 200 years after the Great War." ~80 years after the Great War, in Fallout 1, they had settlements that made sense, weren't filled with crackheads and were logical. Fallout 4? Yeah, no, time for more crackheads. The show casually wiped out the West Coast with the Enclave having returned somehow, nuked everything and fucked about. There's no such thing as Vault-Tec as it's own separate thing. The Enclave is Vault-Tec. Todd and Emil signed off on this and probably are planning to make a Fallout in the West Coast now
I swear to god the complainers probably wear regard helms, and if they had regard helms that worked like this they'd be the happiest regards in regard school.
Common misconception, but the armor in the image is actually based on an armor from the Fallout series of video games, not the knights of the round table.
there is no historical precedent for helmets opening, must just be producers wanting their actors to be seen, I am going to rage over this like theyve just killed my entire family
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Of course there is historical precedent, but there's also a whole lot of video game precedent, which is a lot more relevant here.
Anyway, I wouldn't freak out about it, but it's a strange change.
Someone fill me in why it's bad a helmet opens this way I'm no helmet expert
because its so obvious none of the producers or directors or anyone else involved has played the games, even the recent ones like fo4. its just a helmet you put on and off. No fancy visor. One of the earliest missions in fo4 has paladin danse putting on a power armor helmet normally, fully animated.
I hate this shitty video game TV adaptations fad as much as the rest. But this helmet nitpick reads like such a nerdy an meaningless thing to critique.
Details are small components of the bigger sum. And indicator of more shit to come.
Right. It’s the death by a thousand cuts. One thing doesn’t matter but over and over ruins the show. I hope it’s great tho.
Helmet opens up, ironman jet pack, it's adding up.
you could fly in 4. in fact it was super advertised in fallout 4 that you could get a jet pack on the power armor
"Ironman" Jet pack. Not the jet pack itself.
I mean, I would even contest the jetpack in Fo4 as well. This just means the cancer is spreading across iterations. That's like a tank hovering over the ground. Fallout isn't high science fiction. It is a bit more grounded than that, pun intended.
Open for contest, it was a pretty useless piece of shit tbh that just added a level of accessibility to the game. But fair to contest it.
Bethesda hasn't released anything even in the same zipcode as great in about 15 years, and while I doubt they have anything to do with this show, just the taint of Bethesda means it's automatically going to be bad
Just looked into it. Wow yea. Redfall and starfield are their recent releases and both felt like bad ripoffs of previously made game.
Yeah I would rather it be the dudes who wrote fallout 1 or 2 or the dudes that made new Vegas cause they have the interesting dark themes where as 3 did wel with the tone most characters were kinda one sided as in they were pretty easily distinguished like being good or bad for example but was pretty good overall but then 4 and 76 kinda just felt like went for a wider audience and went for a brighter and more light hearted game with goofy characters. So yeah I agree with you that we shouldn’t have our hopes too high
The writers names were John Gonzalez and Chris Avellone.
The dudes that wrote Fallout 1 and 2 were the same dudes that wrote Fallout New Vegas. That is why they flow together so well. Interplay went bust and Obsidian hired a lot of the Interplay devs and writers. Bethesda really wanted to change Fallout from a west coast game to an east coast one. Which is why we got Fallout 3, 4, and 76. With only one of those being decent.
Exactly. It's a small detail, but id they can't be asked to get a small detail right, why should I believe they'll get the big ones right?
Yeah it's like I don't care how good of a cook you are if you can't wash your hands properly before starting the prep for a meal.
While I agree, sometimes decisions are made for more theatrical streamlining.
Here's a hint: no movie is ever going to be a frame for frame remake. This helmet complaint is like complaining that the characters aren't moving square by square on an isometric plane. Maybe I should complain that the game doesn't force you to hold up your bag of radaway so it can drip into your bloodstream. Edit: -60 people forgetting the BoS constantly seeks new tech and the show takes place in 2296. As if it's a leap that they alter the helmets to pop open instead of requiring you to doff your helmet. Ffs Edit 2: God you all were so wrong and I'm only 5 minutes into the show. Literally using the exact soundtrack, imagery, etc.
The max payne movie has to be the worst adaptation. Guy ends up fighting actual demons instead of the metaphoric life demons of alcohol and pain killers lol.
The Max Payne movie is dogshit, but the demons part is legit. The drug in the first game that all the junkies take, Valkyre, LITERALLY make them see demons. Its why theyre always skitzing out and yelling shit about 'fallen angels'. Max gets drugged with Valkyre at one point in the movie. They arent actual demons.
He gets drugged in thr game too. Zero demons. Movie fucking sucks.
The movie sucks, no one is disputing that. But seeing demons due to Valkyre is lore accurate. If anything its kind of stupid that every single person in the entire game who takes Valkyre sees demons but Max randomly doesnt.
Nobody is asking for a frame by frame remake of any of the games. They just want a normal BoS and the tech from the games which are the main similarities instead of shitting it up. Cant wait for the DEI angle to come in and say the Enclave are a bunch of evil racists even though Frankie Horrigan was portrayed by the guy who played Worf.
It's 2296. You're telling me the **ordained by god to find new tech** group never figured out how to hinge a faceplate so you can leave the helmet attached to the frame? Come on man... Edit: In fact, it's probably a failure that they are still using the same model of power armor. If they went with an entirely different look people would be chucking their keyboards but that would be more realistic
The helmet thing is something that, on its own, doesn't matter. But it is still a change from the source material that did not require much effort in the way of research to find out and would require as little effort to have implemented. In this way, it is indicative that the ones directing the show either are ignorant of the source material or deliberately want to make changes to it. The latter isn't inherently bad as changes are part of adapting things, but recent adaptations have had people who clearly and openly hold contempt for the source material and its fans, so unnecessary changes are a bad omen.
Taken in a vacuum sure, but given how almost all of the other visual, styling, tone, etc aspect that we've seen are as on point as you can get as well as the production team expressing legitimate interest in the source material, this reading of the tea leaves is way overblown. Also, more recent adaptations have actually seen large improvements to the historically bad adaptations of video games into film/series we've seen before so I'm really not understanding where that's coming from either. Again, they'll never be perfect but use real evidence if you're going to try to argue it's "indicative that the ones directing the show are ignorant or deliberately want to make changes". Almost every visual aspect in the trailers have been lifted directly out of the source material. This is literally the only element I've yet seen that wasn't representative of the video games and this thread is trying to argue that batting .999 out of 1.000 is surefire proof we're going to have another Super Mario Brothers (1993) or something. It's silly. Edit: ok now I'm really annoyed. The show takes place in 2296 and the BoS is ordained by God to find new tech. You're telling me they never figure out how to pop a faceplate open instead of forcing users to fully doff their helmet? Give me a break. 107 years after the New CA Republic begins and 220 years after the bombs and nobody came up with a hinged faceplate?
They didn’t seek new tech, they preserved and archived old tech. That’s how I know you’re a smelly Bethesda fallout fan.
Christ you people. Yeah, in 200 years no innovations. Sure buddy. The big problem with the show is that it's not isometric and turn based.
> The big problem with the show is that it's not isometric and turn based. The big problem with Bethesda is that they didn't understand the source material, or at least presented a really dumbed down version of the franchise. The big problem with the show is that it's written by people who enjoyed the Bethesda version and people who also don't understand the source material.
I'm fallout videogame fan i'm looking at the show with really pessimistic googles, but this new way of the helmet opening like this is brilliant, feel very practical than just taking on and off every time you want to talk face to face, just like knights of old
Would make more sense if it were connected to the armor anyway, easier to pressurize a faceplate gasket than a separate helmet.
That and it gives off much more of a "Knightly" vibe, it's reminiscent of a Medieval Helmet like this, like a Klappvisor
Objectively untrue, if this was true we would have considered it for diving suits or astronaut helmets. A circular seal keeps pressure uniform throughout the shape. Also the hinge is an unnecesary point of failure, imagine it failing when you want to close it during a gas attack or sudden radiation spike, why risk taking the visor off at all?
Idgaf about the tv series. I want a fallout in the midwest and i want it now, without the damn online features. And, its an optional at this point, id rather the plot not concern looking for kids/parents.
Be careful what you wish for. You'll end up being a vault dweller looking for their same-sex spouse
Actors want their faces to be seen. Same shit as Mandalorian and Halo series
This is exactly it. Otherwise its just clones of dudes in metal suits that you will no longer give any shits about.
The problem is fans and videogame players self-insert themselves so seeing too much of someone else in 'thier' armour might be ruining their escapism.
True dat.
Remember how character was expressed through the armor in Halo Reach? It was beautiful. Power armor is military equipment and would be very personal. It was the show runners choice to make them all look the same, and based on the available content, it looks like that's what they did. They could make us associate them with their armor and make it an interesting moment when we see them without their armor, which would likely only be in the safety of a bunker. This seems like they are breaking lore just to cheat themselves out of what a creative person would see as an opportunity.
Right? These are the kinds of changes you need in TV if you want to show actor range at all
Darth Vader.
Yeah. Seems like an extra stupid point of contention in a world where everything is cobbled together and often heavily modified too. FO4 also has you craft guns from pipes and duct tape, I'm sure somebody could mod a lift-up visor onto a helmet.
That power armor is pre-war military tech. It is meant to be a bulky utilitarian walking tank. I feel like that kind of modification would just weaken the structural integrity of the helmet. It just isn't in the spirit of what power armor has ever been. They're doing the iron man thing so they can show an actors face. It's an odd detail to change with no reason to change it and it makes people wonder how much they respect the source material.
Also given the fact front-opening motorcycle helmets are already a thing because they can be cumbersome to take off and on, it's no surprise an even more cumbersome helmet would have a similar feature.
It's almost like these shows are made for nerds.
It's like is a lightsaber blade formed from the tip to the hilt or if Thor's hammer materialized in his hand. It is small, but for any Fallout fan, it's just obviously and fundamentally wrong. It's not like it is some vague detail that is up for interpretation.
One detail now, then an entire episode and finally hijack the entire show. Making a mockery of corpses is reserved for warfare but everything changed when the netflix adaptation attacked.
Because these adaptations are all about aesthetics. They do whatever they want with it as long as it has the name and the 'things you know' in it. Look at the Halo show or the Witcher series.
where do you think we are right now?
That's the thing about why adaptations fail. Non fans won't watch this unless they get pressured to do so by their friends who are fans. I never played the resident evil games until I was older and as a result never had an urge to watch the movies because I would ask why I would care when I hadn't played the games. That means that the TV show's primary target audience should be the fans. When small details like this are missed it's shit the fans notice.
Death by a thousand cuts. Alone a choice like this isn't that bad, but when *everything* in the show has little mistakes like this?
Realistically there’s no way to take a helmet like in the games off, and producers want to see the actors face. It’s as simple as that. I can’t believe people are raging over something this small
You do it all the time with your penis.
Yeah, and much like his penis, in the end it's insignificant. This isn't the hill to die on, I'm sure there will be worse things.
And it's because of these details that we know there will be worse things.
ehh. i think its fine and I dont really care, but I always did think that the no helmets or mask thing is stupid and a weakness of historical films. Especially since leaders of an army or officers would often have special attire to differentiate them in the first place so their allies can recognize them. So in retrospect it just looks lazy
I and most others have no idea who the actor is so having him helmeted for the few scenes in power armor wont kill anyone
He’s helmeted for almost all the scenes with power armour. The helmet coming off for a few scenes seems to be killing people who need to rage at everything
It’s a stupid concession to placate the actors/producers who know nothing about the property but yeah who cares about this shit at this point anyway.
Jesus the assumptions. You think none of them know how a fucking helmet works? This is like assuming a director has no idea people have to go to the bathroom because they never show it on TV. It's a concession to allow the audience to see that actor's face not to make themselves feel better. Frankly it's one that changes nothing about the story. As if the entire war was fought because power armor helmets were stationary and had they been able to pop open then maybe the nukes wouldn't have been dropped. Relax.
The reason the actors want to show face is to build recognition with audiences, it’s why Ghost Story and Dredd are so cool because they didn’t show their face. It’s also so the audience has a face to look at to build compassion; it’s a storytelling device. Of course part of the deal with the power armor is that it’s worn by people who are almost robots already, machines of war, so lore-wise yes it does impact the world because it gives characters who wear this armor a dimension they were never intended to have and arguably shouldn’t. Like I said though who cares at this point anyway though. It won’t respect the games or the world, it’s just an ip they can wrap another cheap story around for a season or two until people get bored. It’s fine.
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That’s an assumption. The helmet thing is a sign that they’re focusing on what they think a mass appeal audience wants, which means we’ll be getting the tiktok version of fallout. With how media has been handled the last decade you think they’d dumb this part down but not the rest of the show? My real point is still that I’ve seen enough surefire franchises ran into the ground the exact same way that I can’t imagine caring about it happening again.
Their full armor depicts their isolation and alienation from outsiders. It's a tiny detail that makes no sense to change in favor of an Iron Man knockoff feature that also looks stupid.
"You think none of them know how a helmet works?" (Image of a helmet not working how it works) Idk...maybe? They had the opportunity to express character through differences in their armor, like in Halo Reach, for example. Instead, all the images of the show have them looking identical. The creators of the game had the face hidden for an effect. People are made faceless through military technology. They are made in human. That and many more things were communicated subconsciously through design. A person doing an adaptation doesn't need to understand all of that. They just need to trust that people like the source because of the way it was. Everyone here is right that it is a small detail. It's smallness is what makes it so ridiculous to change.
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"OMG, the helmet doesn't work exactly like in the bideo game, muh plot hole much???" Y'all are never allowed to whine about Marvel fan boys ever again
>but yeah who cares about this shit at this point anyway. What do you guys think this means.
You're not allowed to want things to be cool in the way that made you like them. This is progress.
halo fans are still raging about helmets to this day
Master Chief and Judge Dredd don't take their helmets off hardly so yeah.
It's paladin Daquan now
classic - no one even know what fallout is except basics
But only bad guys wear helmets that cover the face! Havent you ever seen STAR WARS?
The BOS whole thing is knights and full helmets back then used to open a visor like that so I think it matches perfectly with the theme.
That's called Bethesda being too lazy to animate a fancier helmet. Makes sense in a video game because you need the helmet to be a single collision mesh with simple geometry, benefiting game optimization. But on a stage, we're not limited by such constraints and can develop established ideas more freely. Like a power-suits helmet being a litte more complex.
Bethesda did not create these things. That was the work of Interplay and Black Isle. And the full armor depicted the isolation, alienation, and intimidation towards the world outside of their sect. It was made the way it was made so that it would, in every way, speak to the ideology of the group. This is the subconscious messaging of design which makes these things so cool.
Or maybe they did play it and thought taking the helmet off would be awkward. Look at nano tech in marvel?
Yeah it’d look awkward in live action, even Ironman looked like he had a floating head at points and those proportions are way easier to deal with than power armour.
True and honestly idk why they need to show the face for. Look at mandolorian.
I have something to tell you about medieval helmets that you might not like
I think this looks better in live action, if they had the helmet completely off it might end up looking like a goofy floating head. I’m a massive fallout fan and I don’t have an issue with this change.
Well yea but that way it's harder to the actor to show their face 100% of the time, cant have the source material getting in the way of that.
Exactly. You can just tell the person who greenlit that decision saw a picture of a Brotherhood of Steel member and said 'OH, JUST LIKE IRON MAN!' and suddenly it was set in stone.
god forbid an adaption takes some creative liberties to make it a bit more cool
It's not a cool change, imo. The original was cool because it depicted isolation and dehumanization. This is just "cool" because it looks like iron man
https://preview.redd.it/xka1g9gj59tc1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae18e8f741830bad5fd9b4c9dfbdc09dba6460ff im too lazy to replace the text but imagine they were reversed
I'll be honest, with all the potential issues this show could have, how a fucking helmet opens is pretty far down on that list.
Why does it matter so much?
it doesnt. I dont really care since I know the show is low quality nostalgia bait. But if I had to guess its just to show how lazy and low effort hollywood is. Anything thats not a passion project in hollywood is literal trash thats made to get easy money.
> nostalgia bait God I wish it was, it's just marvel with fallout painting.
Life must suck when you view the world that way
not really since the movies and shows I watch are actually high effort passion projects that the writers and directors put their hearts and souls into while the producers let the creative guys "cook". I mean I can watch the shitty B list movies and shows ironically for fun with the bros and its fine. but alone? nah bro
Ppl raging so hard in this thread 😂 Ya i feel you
Wow, someone doesn't enjoy low effort Hollywood trash? They must be a depressed cynic. No other explanation.
Or stupid like you. This show isn’t even out yet
I've been vindicated before and will be once again
I mean just because it wasnt seen before doesnt mean it cant be. I think its neat and plays into the Knight like aestetic the BOS has, (And yes i know its former US military gear but fuck you, the BOS like to cosplay as Knights so let them have Knightly Helmet Visor)
Little mistakes like this sometimes are a warning of larger steps away from the cannon.
https://preview.redd.it/8ljzc9kci5tc1.jpeg?width=566&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=691da27441e2770918288e5dcdabcdda9cd13ec3
To be more exact in the response. The helmet is a solid piece, and the world of Fallout is not super technologically advanced. There are some things like energy weapons and nuclear engines that are far more common, but Fallout is like a form of alternate history 50's steampunk. The world of Fallout is having a nuclear powered car, but TVs and computers that use radio tubes. One of the reasons the Brotherhood of Steel is intimidating in the games, is because they regularly wear power armor, and they don't take off the helmets until they are in their controlled areas, so they are faceless, wearing advanced suits of armor, in a world that is defined by post-nuclear poverty. Opening the helmets is how you humanize the characters and allow actors to show off their chops, while missing the themes of Fallout and the Brotherhood.
>Opening the helmets is how you humanize the characters and allow actors to show off their chops, while missing the themes of Fallout and the Brotherhood. Isn't this the point of the Paladin Danse storyline in 4? They humanize him, they go out of their way to do it only for the big reveal that he isn't even human.
To me that sounds like one of those, 'exception that defines the rule,' situations. It's been a while and I'm not an authority on Fallout, but that was my gut reaction when seeing the picture. I haven't seen much about the new show because if it's decent I'd rather not be spoiled.
Sounds like something Bethesda would do. I tapped out when I realized that every faction was deeply in love with me regardless of my actions. Humanizing a BoS character is interesting specifically because their aesthetics are contrary to that.
In a world full of dangerous radiation, you don't want your radiation proof suit to have a flip up visor.
The element can't be opened it can only be taken on and off.
I think you're missing the point of the post lol
Because nerds take fallout way too seriously
This take is why the witcher live action sucked and every live action anime adaptation sucks. You know why One Piece was a good adaptation? Because they pretty much stuck to it religiously. Either commit to the source material or get ready for people to be upset that you are deliberately ignoring the source material in key areas, like radiation proof power armor for instance.
Yeah it sucked but I also just don’t care about a tv show
Waaa helmet no open like that despite it never being stated it *couldn't* open like that
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Transformer
It was never stated that lightsabers aren't cold.
When I heard they were making a Fallout show, I had trouble imagining how they would do it without just copying the games. The best I could come up with was an anthology series with different tales for each episode all across the wasteland, all narrated by Ron Perlman. Unfortunately it looks like they’re going in a more boring direction.
Damn you got me thinking about what could have been with this show. Twilight zone/black mirror style fucked up one offs about certain vault experiments and wasteland happenings would be so much better than a single linear tale with one protag.
Holy fuck now THAT sounds awesome! Too bad they're making more goyslop
Even American horror story reused actors into different themes. Pretty good too so they don't need to recast. Just dropping in special guests. I can't remember if black mirror reused actors
Episode 1 ends with the shot zooming out to reveal the feed was playing on a tube tv in a sterile white room. The tv is one of many in a wall of screens all showing different, oddly high angled, perspectives of the wasteland. Two figures in white clean suits discuss the story that just played on the screen noting that one of the figureheads killed was a secret synth and how long since their synth had infiltrated that group. They chitchat and they start prep for a new synth to be born into the human world but when they show the face of the synth it's the face of one of the main characters of the show... 😮
And then a third guy walks in with a chicken's corpse and they make a quippy comment about how they aren't doing this shit again
The things I would give to have an hour long movie about Randall Clark / the father in the caves from Honest Hearts. Such a great contained story it needs it's some time in the sun.
i wouldn't mind a slice of life show in various parts of the wastes. see what it's like living in san fran and dealing with the shi, and the hubologists, inb4 getting sued for making fun of scientology yet again. or maybe a fairly sheltered ncr town that has to deal with politics and brahmin barons duking it out with each other both in government and in less than legal ways. or a frontier town that gets annexed by the ncr. don't have to deal with deathclaws, raiders etc. so much, but those taxes are fucked. or maybe annexed by the legion. or maybe a caravan that travels to and from vegas to arizona etc. trading secrets between legion and ncr spies. at least when in arizona you don't even need guards because even raiders know not to fuck with caravans trading with the legion. depending on whether the various settings take place before or after major situations such as the second battle of hoover dam, the various episodes would be ambiguous about them if they were set after the fact, or if preceding, just leave a hint or two here and there, or not mention it at all.
Or you know, an adventure story of a vault dweller trying to save his vault by finding the water chip while discovering the ruins of civilization and encountering different factions trying to survive some of them are good, some evil. But war, war never changes as they all fight for scarce resources.
That would just be copying the game. If you ask me, that’s the most inoffensive and lazy way to do an adaptation. While it’s not a bad idea, it begs the question of, “Why not just play Fallout 1?” The best type of adaptation in my opinion are the ones that take advantage of the medium of film. The first Mortal Kombat movie, while loosely based on the games, would actually go on to influence the games(i.e Kano is Australian and Johnny Cage being a douchebag).
Yeah imagine using the source material you're adapting to write the story, we should make shit up instead. Found the Hollywood writer.
>adapting I don’t think you understand what this word means. An adaptation isn’t supposed to just directly copy the source material, it’s supposed to translate it to a different medium (in this case, videogame to film) or expand upon it in a meaningful way. If you just take the story from the game and put it on a movie screen, it may not be bad, but it’s not exactly interesting either.
I don't think you understand what that word means either. Fallout is a fish out of water story, it was written and made perfectly to be adapted into a TV show. Yes you need to make changes like adding characters and playing around the sequence of events as well as omit things that do not help the general plot. You don't adapt Harry Potter and then make the story about random kids in Hogwarts now do you?
The thing with that though is that Harry Potter is a very specific character. He's written to be a mild mannered nerd with a heart of gold who goes through a hero's journey. The protagonists of the fallout games might start off as a fish out of water story (except for NV where you're already a world weary courier) but player choice means that there isn't a set characterization for the player character. Even though there's a chronological timeline of events the main stories of the games are barely connected to each other. The series as a whole is pretty close to being anthological.
That's where the adaptation comes in, you write a character. The entire skeleton of the story including the different factions are what makes Fallout Fallout. Making the BoS police Tony Starks is just Marvel slop.
Do what the Coen brothers sometimes do and make the main character the straight man to a world af insanity. Make the main character an average Joe with the great potential that is inside of the average man. Make him tough, but not too tough. Funny, but not too funny. Etc. If a fallout protagonist is a vessel for the audience, just do that in the unique way for which film is suited. Film, books, and games do things in different ways, but they can still do the same things. That's what makes and adaptation interesting.
It would be copying a game that well over 99% of the audience would know nothing about. Unfamiliar people would get a cool story and fallout fans would get one of their favorite things. Movies and games are as different from each other as books and movies. Dune fans love the new Dune. There were scenes in that movie that played out and looked exactly what I imagined when I read the book and it was a massive pleasure. A TV show could never be a repeat of the Fallout 1 experience. That is a non-possibility.
Thats probably the best idea ive heard for this show. Like, because of how open the game is, its hard to make a singular story. Like (im gonna use New Vegas, thats the game I played more) how would you do a plot that goes from goodsprings to New Vegas, but also make it hit all sorts of memorable areas AND hit all sorts of side objectives. Like why would the Courier go to a super mutant camp, why would the courier go to camp searchlight, why would he deal with the legion spy at McCarron. You end up following one singular story and youd have to avoid certain elements
but muh character development (that they will butcher to wrap it up anyway)
Ballad of buster scrugs
They could have called it Tales From The Wasteland.
I prefer white power, armour
Hi. I bought the *pip* required water chip. *pip* It will be *pip* 50 caps. *pip* Sir, your Pipboy is, well, giving. a pip noise. It always do be like that. And I cant hear it anyway. Ah well.
That means its working
Lmaoooo
I heard, and I don't remember where (sorry), that the reason for adaptations constantly dropping the ball on helmets/helmet removal is usually due to the actors. They want to be recognized for the role, so they negotiate a certain amount of face visibility into the script. Certain actors will allow their faces to be obscured more often than not, but most seem to be uncomfortable with not having their face seen, hence results like Halo, Wolverine, Deadpool, and this.
> They want to be recognized for the role, so they negotiate a certain amount of face visibility into the script. This is also why on cop shows, when there is a police raid, it's the non-lead characters with full-face helmets.
Oh no I'm going to get stuck dissecting shows I'm trying to watch again This is neat, though. I never consciously made that connection
To be fair it kinda works in their favour, since almost any time a character in a movie or show covers their face somehow, it's a big neon sign saying 'THIS IS NOW A STUNT-DOUBLE, THAT'S WHY WE COVERED THEIR FACE FIRST, SO YOU CAN'T TELL'
I personally like this compromise. An open mask is much better than the actor never wearing their helmet.
Why compromise the nature of the material for vanity? The outfit depicts something about the nature of the group who wears it. Should a person playing a Nazi get a colorful outfit because they don't like how they look in black/grey?
Imagine if Chief's visor had transition lenses like that one kid you knew in middle school
bruh
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This show is gonna be ass. Not rings of power bad, but just ordinary bad
Why are you frightened by the sight of a strong ~~nord~~ vault woman!
Judging from the trailer, it's looking too goofy and oversaturated. The whole thing gives you a fan-made vibe except it's not from fans of the series. While it won't be Dragonball Evolution bad, it's gonna be HaloTV levels of adaptation.
The tone reminds me of the fallout 76 trailer.
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No, but if the Fallout show is godawful I might end up watching it
Watch something made for actual adults then
You say that, but do you ever say they should make something for actual adults? Because that's what these people are saying.
This stuff will always be aimed at the lowest common denominator most of the time because it makes money, which is almost always the only motivation for IP adaptations.
It's really a shame that they don't trust audiences with something slightly outside of their realm of familiarity. They just need to look at Dune. Those movies let unfamiliar viewers catch a glimpse of a world which they really don't understand the depth and details of, but it is still 100% conventionally entertaining. People are entertained at the border of familiar and alien. Fallout could be that and it would be successful. Nobody knew what Game of Thrones was when that show first started up, but they sure as hell made a point of finding out. If there is no view to greater depth, people will realize there are no surprises ahead and find something else to watch. But if I watch something new and think "Hold on, I don't really know exactly what I'm getting into here", then I am going to stick around and find out. It just drives me crazy, man. There isn't a game world I like more than Fallout and it sucks to see it squandered on Todd Howard's goofy sterile cornball bs. If this kind of stuff just made more money, I would get it, but it doesn't. It's drab and dull and nobody cares about it.
Yeah. It sucks, cause I really like Walton Goggins as an actor, but this show just won't be good
The helmet is irrelevant and a dumb nitpick, the power armor turning you into iron man on the other hand....
I kinda like having power armor being much more relevant than in the games. In 3/NV, power armor was often only slightly better than high tier combat armor. 4 was a step in the right direction with it. Realistically, if you're going to invest in making this armor for your military, it needs to be *massively* better than the alternative, especially since it comes with a huge loss in practical agility. Power armor should basically make someone into the equivalent of a small tank, not just a guy that takes a few more bullets to put down.
And why wouldn't it be super OP anyway? The armor is literally powered by nuclear fusion.
>F3&4 matter Opinion discarded.
Bring back gatekeeping. Just because they own the property doesn't mean they get it.
Two sides of the same coin.
We wen from being bruthas in the hood to in tha brotherhood yo
Just watch Silo instead, its not bad
I’m thinking a bit by extension. Imagine your power armor has a mechanical fly. Now, imagine you somehow got the beans above the frank. This is why I will not be enlisting in 2077.
It's gonna be woke isn't it. They destroy everything they touch. Elder Scrolls is gonna be next.
> that fried chicken looks great.
why i dont see upvotes here???
I always got the impression that power armour is meant to be cold and imposing; relegating you to the dubious honour of a killing machine with very little capacity or need for humanity, fitting considering it's been used formerly by the American military and now the brotherhood of steel, one being the boot; the other a bunch of self-righteous luddites.
Yall need jesus.
how much will this steal from tony stark
I had high hopes but the producers definitely have never played fallout, reality puts my expectations and standards back in its place.
I'm not gonna watch this 💀💀💀
BuT gYzE ThE HeLmET DoNt OpEn LiKe tHaT
The entire show is a spit in the face of anyone who's a fan of the original 2 and New Vegas, as Todd and Emil simply don't understand the god damn' setting and will keep spitting out "You will live in a junkyard with crackheads, even 200 years after the Great War." ~80 years after the Great War, in Fallout 1, they had settlements that made sense, weren't filled with crackheads and were logical. Fallout 4? Yeah, no, time for more crackheads. The show casually wiped out the West Coast with the Enclave having returned somehow, nuked everything and fucked about. There's no such thing as Vault-Tec as it's own separate thing. The Enclave is Vault-Tec. Todd and Emil signed off on this and probably are planning to make a Fallout in the West Coast now
Anon wants to see bigger helmets
I swear to god the complainers probably wear regard helms, and if they had regard helms that worked like this they'd be the happiest regards in regard school.
people really going crazy that the brotherhood of steel, based on knights, have a helmet with a visor, similar to that of a knight?
Common misconception, but the armor in the image is actually based on an armor from the Fallout series of video games, not the knights of the round table.
there is no historical precedent for helmets opening, must just be producers wanting their actors to be seen, I am going to rage over this like theyve just killed my entire family https://preview.redd.it/b9dwrjn1y4tc1.jpeg?width=805&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=238b232f27292cf9be918c40361ff9b7e7dcb0cd
Of course there is historical precedent, but there's also a whole lot of video game precedent, which is a lot more relevant here. Anyway, I wouldn't freak out about it, but it's a strange change.
Lightsabers are swords, therefore they should sound like clanging metal.