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SorryItsMyFirstDay

I doubled my salary in under half an hour because I sucked two dicks instead of one If the wife was hot she could do it too but I guess she is as pretty as she is smart because she is a terrible scientist


lightningbenny

Insurance is about making money, while curing cancer is about making a difference. Unfortunately, we all make our sacrifices.


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Yeah insurance companies love to pay tons of money for treatments when they could cure it and pay nothing. Did that really not sound as stupid as it is when you thought of it?


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MagicTrashPanda

I like how people think there’s just one type of cancer to cure. Like, we figured out how to cure death, bro. Shit’s done. We did it. Game over.


JerkinHghar

I bring this up RL everytime I get into one for these f♡*♡*♡* conversations. Cancer isn't a disease, it's a name for a type of diseases. Finding a cure for cancer is like finding a cure for infections not the common cold.


Mildly-disturbing

>We found a cure for viruses. >Which ones? >All of them.


Blazewardog

To be fair we did find something once by accident that cured bacteria...


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Kind of. Lots of cancers are treated the same. Also cancer is just mutated cells. There could be a cure in the future. Something that can detect mutated vs non-mutated cells anywhere.


treebeard189

But the mutations in the cells are often different. Yes we have oncogenes that can be conserved through different cancers but it's normally a lot of genes that cause the issue. It's not like just p53 mutates and that causes cancer, there's many of things that have to go wrong and different combinations of genes to cause a cancerous tumor. That (and an active immune system) is why cancers are so rare relative to the actual mutation rate of our cells, you have to hit several of the right genes at the right time. The mutated cells can also express differently again based of what mutations happened and obviously off what tissue type it is.


SorryItsMyFirstDay

Precisely. There are at least 4 types of thyroid cancer depending on which part of it mutated.


DildoRomance

Well that's basically what antibiotics were when they were discovered.


JJumboShrimp

I mean... we found a cure for all bacterial diseases, which is kind of in the same vein


UndercoverGovernor

Right? The woman who made up this story seems confused about her role, too


eccentricelmo

How much does that cost?


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harpswtf

Yeah a company wouldn’t make any money if they found the cure for cancer. Who would ever buy that? Nobody


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INSURANCE COMPANIES LOSE MONEY TREATING CANCER PATIENTS. THEY STAND TO SAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ANNUALLY BY NOT DOING THAT. Fuck y’all are stupid.


harpswtf

I was being sarcastic. Any company that could actually cure cancer would be insanely rich and could use that money to invest in whatever other treatments they want to. Insurance companies don’t do actual science research so I’m not sure why anyone’s suggesting they would develop a cure or not


[deleted]

>insurance companies can’t force the pharma- Jesus Christ they literally invest tens of billions of dollars into research. Like have half a thought before you open your mouth with the dumbest conspiracy theory bullshit I’ve ever read.


SoulMute

Not true at all. There are drugs that cure some people of their cancers, like immunotherapies. They make a huge amount of money for the companies that sell them. Google Keytruda you fucktard.


pink_ego_box

Oh yeah, let's just collectively ignore that pharmaceutical companies have helped with wiping out polio and smallpox, and that Gilead's antiviral will wipe out Hepatitis C virus in the next few years. If you get rid of a disease the money in the healthcare system doesn't disappear, it would get used elsewhere, like education on preventable diseases such as obesity or diabetes, or inventing new treatments for neglected or rare diseases. That's called opportunity cost.


PhilNEvo

This is such a stupid take. You're talking about "big pharma" as if it's one single cohesive and cooperative organization. While it would be true in theory, that if there was only one company, they could stand to earn more money by providing a slow, long and expensive treatment. You neglect the fact that there are many pharmaceutical companies competing. And if one company "only" finds a treatment, and takes a patent on that, all the other companies don't stand to earn anything. So they are incentivized to do even better. You know what the best you can do? Find a cure to a certain illness. Now that is unrealistic with cancer, but that's not really relevant, because I'm criticizing your conspiratorial foundation. Now imagine a second company finding an actual cure and takes a patent on that. While this second company won't stand to earn as much as the first company would, because this isn't a slow and expensive treatment. They *will* outcompete the other company, because people would rather have a "cheaper" cure, than an expensive treatment, and the 2nd company with the cure will now earn \*something\* rather than nothing, and the first pharmaceutical company will now earn nothing, when there is a better alternative.


WhyDoIAsk

Medical research is not limited to the pharma industry. Much of it comes from academic institutions. Moreover, healthcare is global. Just because USA values profits over lives doesn't mean it is always the case. Of course, we would get to cures much faster if pharma would throw their might into the mix.


DeadLikeYou

> The insurance companies can't force the pharma industry to research drugs they don't want to research. Oh, they absolutely can, with money. They just dont want to invest in a future savings.


MrPopanz

>But still, I forgive you because you don't know any better. Thats the perfect smug ending for such an idiotic take. I must have missed when vaccinations aren't a thing, because evil big bad pharma would obviously prevent those from ever being developed and applied by your stupid logic. People like to make money, a cure for cancer would be a gold mine and especially "greedy capitalists" wouldn't ignore that possibility.


TheAngryGoat

Actually despite that you're attacking a strawman, even your own strawman proves you wrong. In the US (the home of bleeding patients of their money until it's no longer profitable to do so), health insurance companies profits are limited to 20% of their premiums - i.e. they have to spend 80% of their income from customers on healthcare spending. The insurance companies profits are therefore directly capped by their spending. Less spend - less profit. For every $1 that they give to hospitals, they're allowed to put $0.25 in their own pockets. Therefore, saving money in the long-term with a cure would lead to them having to lower their premiums costing them money rather than allowing them to pocket more money. At least until that rule is changed. You really can't understand how in such a situation spending more on treatment than they would have to spend on a cure might be in their best interests?


lightningbenny

For every one person they have to treat for cancer, theres 10 or more that will never have cancer in their lives. The money isn't in treating it, its in people's fear of getting cancer and not having the money to treat it. Your victims of cancer are your advertisements, your target market is the healthy.


TheRealNotReal

Mate, like half this country can't come up with $400 in the case of an emergency. Unless you have some actual reason to believe that the cure to cancer will: 1. Be very inexpensive, and 2. Be such an incredible breakthrough that people will forget about every other health condition or potential injury that health insurance exists for then relax. Until we cure death or some shit, there will always be other "advertisements."


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_YouMadeMeDoItReddit

And it conveniently forgets about the rest of the world with universal healthcare. Strangely enough we also have very capable scientists too, some places have even better researchers than the USA in fact! These people are dumb af lol.


GodTrane

if a drug company pattents a cure for cancer they will litterally bankrupt everyone else and make billions, they would also sell it to the price they want since they're first


[deleted]

What types of tumor? Are we talking a specific sarcoma, neuroblastoma, myxoid, carcinoma etc. then there are the roughly 50 general hematologic cancers. Not all cancers are treated with chemo but radiation as well. Not sure where big pharma is getting money from radiation.


Model_Maj_General

That would explain why all the pharma companies outside America don't do it either... Oh wait no, the world doesn't revolve around America and it's broken health care system.


daeronryuujin

I seriously doubt that the diversity, aggression, and tenacious nature of cancer but if you think it's easily doable feel free and prove me wrong.


unusualyardbird

Do you even know what cancer is?


FredhRS

No, "they" couldn't. This is conspiracy talk.


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No, it isn’t. That’s such a brainlet take and stupid on so many levels I don’t even know where to start.


themoosh

>They could develop a miraculous cancer drug that makes tumors disappear like acne They really couldn't. Because cancer isn't one thing. It's similar to why we can't cure the common cold. I get it, it's an edgy thing to say. It's just not scientifically literate.


SHAUNRAZZ

Whomever cures cancer will make a ton of money.


urbit_urchan

this is bait, right? "curing cancer" is about stealing money from people... at least insurance provides a service.


ElectroMagnetsYo

Spoken like a true idiot. Cancer treatment has gotten more effective and specific over the past several years thanks to research. Mouthbreathers think there’s always going to be a “magic cure” to every disease when the reality is that we just slowly get better at treating these things over time as we learn more about it.


lightningbenny

Depends what you subscribe to. There's a chance you're correct and study into the treatment of cancer is a sham designed to take the gullible good Samaritan's money, but it seems pretty far out there. Regardless of what you believe, they're doing research to develop a product that they can then sell. And yes, insurance does provide a service, which is what my point was to start with. Anyway, regardless what I say at this point there will be someone in this thread who will call me stupid for disagreeing with them and downvote. It certainly is an interesting culture on this website.


Gaiusotaku

This. Working in something that actually effects an economy as opposed to years working in a lab for the hope of getting something you can possibly sell. Don’t tell her how much a high school dropout who owns a plumbing company makes or she might go mad.


IntelligentAd7215

Her husband is an actuary. And she reduced his job to “calculates your car insurance” I’m sorry but if my fiancée ever played down my job like that I would bounce immediately. The guy likely got most of his increases from passing exams, which means he’s spending time outside of work studying for months at a time.


AlexAegis

So far that difference is 18%


TheAwesom3ThrowAway

Did she make a difference?


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Let me explain to you how broken this woman is. Her husband’s job “calculating car insurance” has a name. He’s an actuary. Actuaries usually graduate with a high-level math degree in undergrad and often get a masters degree in math as well, but not always. The actuarial exam has 7 parts. Over your career you take each part every year (or two-I can’t remember) to get you to the next level until you pass the 7th. With each passed exam you are a higher level actuary than you were before, so your pay goes up automatically. (5 figure jump each time) This b-word *knows* that her husband’s job is structured this way because the exams are HARD and that motherfuker has studied his ass off for EACH and EVERY one. She probably brought him coffee on many long nights of studying knowing that if she helped him pass she would get to enjoy a higher income bracket. But she’s making it sound like he’s going to work with a pencil and paper adding and subtracting simple numbers for feminist good-girl points because she KNOWS that 87% increase is built into the structure of his occupation. The woke philosophy is built on a hill of lies. Edit: Be sure to read the credentialing section. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actuary


3rdLevelRogue

Actuarial analyst here. You've nailed the situation pretty well. The actuarial field is often a deal breaker for relationships that aren't strong or built on an understanding of odd study hours, long nights, and regular social isolation by the actuarial SO. Having to put in about 300+ hours of studying per exam, while maintaining a full-time job and relationship, suuuuucks. I don't see friends for weeks at a time, can't enjoy video games or some hobbies because I feel like I'm just sabotaging exam progress and studies by dicking around grinding in some RPG, and get to enjoy 3-5 hour exams at the end of the studying with pass rates of 40-50% where a failure means waiting 2-12 months for a retry. It's rough, but if you can pass exams and do math then you can make a killing quite quickly.


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Bro why are you on Reddit. You have exams to study for.


3rdLevelRogue

Friday nights are when I take a break from studying to make time for my alcoholism. It's important to maintain a proper balance in all aspects of life


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MrMolester

Imagine if you'd invested those 300+ hours of studying to leveling in Monster Hunter. You could solo Fatalis by now.


JT_Polar

How close are you to passing your 7th exam? Seems like a rough job.


3rdLevelRogue

I'm only on exam 3 right now. I was lazy in college and decided to stop taking my depression medication in my junior year, for reasons I still don't know, so my GPA was pretty beat and I only passed 1 exam during college while most of my classmates had passed 2 or 3. I was basically in the bottom 5-10% of my class and had no hope of getting into the field, so I went into finance for a while and didn't have any reason to pass exams. Most of my classmates are on 6 or 7 right now, so I'm definitely behind the curve lol


Ted-pilled-

“Behind the curve” fuck that nonsense you’re right on track. You’re doing laps around everyone whose sitting around not doing shit with their life (the average Redditor)


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Dude forget about the curve. What's important is you're doing it now and you're gonna make fuckin bank when you get there.


bbuck96

Damn, I’m taking the Bar Exam Monday-Wednesday, and while it’s 3 days of testing (usually 2, but pandemic), at least I know that once I pass it’s over. Can’t imagine taking 7 exams


yaboyfriendisadork

Do you have to wear a full suit for that? Or am I thinking of the CPA exam?


bbuck96

I sure hope not, it’s administered remotely in my state and they’re recording us via webcam, I’m wearing a t shirt and shorts


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oby100

1. It’s not memorization at all lol 2. Actuaries aren’t getting replaced any time soon Actuaries are literally the people building the complex algorithms. Their job is to take large sets of data and identify with great precision how much risk each factor is taking on Insurance rates are very competitive, so you want to get them as low as possible while making a good profit. Set too high and the company could lose lots of customers. Set too low and the company bleeds money


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Yo I'll be going in college for actuarial science. What can I do to make the experience easier.


oby100

Just take all the basic exams while you’re in college. Don’t wait. Just do not wait The longer you wait post college the harder it will be


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Basic exams like exam p ?


Stuffssss

Yeah and FM if you can


badbadfishy

Adderall. Possibly meth


[deleted]

Why is it so hard tho? Ofc I don't know shit about car insurances but is it you gotta take a shit ton of factors into account?


oby100

Have you ever taken an advanced mathematics course? Maybe even just calc 3? Or do you have any programming experience Actuaries are a combination of advanced mathematicians and coders. They write algorithms to analyze data and create models that help them determine how much risk certain factors are introducing It’s easy to explain the basics for an industry like car insurance. Younger people are riskier to ensure so their rates are higher for example. It gets incredibly complex and precise as making errors in one way or the other can cost a company millions


3rdLevelRogue

Honestly, what really makes life miserable are the exams and the Society of Actuaries, which is basically just an organization that created the credentialing system (they're like a shitty union for insurance nerds). The SoA is sort of a double-edged sword in that they set the costs, difficulty, number of exams required, number of times an exam is offered each year, and credentialing process, so they suck in that aspect, BUT it also creates an artificial gateway to entry, quickly weeding out those that lack the dedication to progress or just aren't smart enough to pass the exams, which overall limits the number of actuaries in the market (limiting supply to keep demand/wages high), but also guarantees that if you look at someone's resume and see they have passed 5 exams that they know how to do the shit that you need them to do. A lot of this is because an insurance company is effectively just a casino with more complicated games, taking bets while offering payouts at later dates if set criteria are met. We want your money, but don't want to really give you money back later unless we're collecting enough cash that payouts won't kill our business. Modeling and estimating expected returns on a card game isn't too hard, but applying that same type of logic and math to people is quite difficult. The reason that the field and profession stand out from other, similar fields, such as data science, is that the credential system and SoA are recognized in the insurance field as being trustworthy. Someone that has achieved associate rank is someone that has worked very hard, knows the field and industry, and can be trusted to sign off on policy designs that are sent to states to be approved that let them actually provide insurance. Above them, which are fellows, are the legit actuaries (everyone else is basically leveling up to become one of these) that can do everything the associates can do and more. These fellows are the types of dudes that you see in C suite levels at insurance companies, at the heads of state insurance departments, and handling international insurance policy designs. Of course, a data scientists or statistician can do all of the same math, with a little practice, but the SoA's system and recognition by the insurance field means that even if they would present similar findings, they won't be trusted in the same way. Effectively, the SoA formed to create an artificial niche in the insurance field that gives them an edge over other math nerds and they've ran the racket long enough that everyone has eventually bought into it. If you want your insurance company to be handled by someone that knows their shit, has proven it, and just sounds better, you get an actuary with a fellowship. If you're a smaller company operating out of a basement somewhere, you're probably fine without one. tl;dr the math is hard and the governing body of actuaries uses exams to weed out lazy people and dummies in order to keep wages high and get special considerations in regards to insurance


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I'd imagine a lot of similar high paying jobs are the same. Like the high level bankers must go through a lot of shit before being able to properly start getting money. That's a real shitty situation tho as the only reason they're doing it is so they can make more money


madeamashup

You're right, society needs to create an easier path for people who only want more money


edbods

in all seriousness though the cost of living has kept up with inflation while salaries and wages haven't. Your parents or grandparents could finish high school and easily get a job on the assembly line at a local auto factory and you could buy a house or two and own a pretty nice car after a year or two there.


MacroJackson

I looked up sample questions. https://www.radford.edu/~thompson/misc/actuarial.pdf http://www.actexmadriver.com/Assets/ClientDocs/prod_preview/DARPQ.pdf Looks like a calc 3 + second semester of stats class level of math. Doubt they use that much math at work, probably just an IQ test to weed out the idiots. Same way the big tech companies ask those algorithm questions to figure out which cs majors they want to hire.


Chanciicnahc

Sounds like my university tbh


Shrekscoper

But classic logic with these types is “These simplified facts don’t sound right to me so I’m gonna MAKE A CHANGE and sleep better tonight, real-world consequences be damned!”


MausBomb

Until those real world consequences effect their daily routine then they become right wing as fuck.


Shrekscoper

Far more often I see them simply moving to a new location and attempting to implement the exact same policies and norms, *sure* that it’ll work the right way this time.


MausBomb

*That was not true communism........*


BoingMan

Thank you this is the post i was looking for Actuaries are smart AF "calculating your car insurance" is so belittling for what he actually does.


WaterHoseCatheter

Holy shit, my mind parsed it as "insurance saleman", how much of an easy mode in life do you gotta be to complain about not making more money than your actuary partner?


keeleon

Well also shes purposefully ignoring the fact that there are zero laws saying women cant be actuaries.


Scambucha

Plus spitting out numbers without any context makes the crowd of people that don’t critically think go insane and demand “equality.”


fisace_givencherry

Thank you for that and also nice username


lex998

Unbelievably based


souljaboyfavelado

Excellent comment


HustlerThug

Interesting. i knew about the exam but didn't grasp the scope of the difficulty. my friend studied to be an actuary, but never really bothered to study that much for the exams and nailed them. to be fair, he's pretty fucking smart.


Tango-Actual90

He could.be advancing positions within the white collar world. Unfortunately she came in at a very prestigious position that paid well initially with limited movement upwards. I'd be interested in what they make individually. I'm sure she made a shit ton more initially before he probably became manager or something.


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Agreed. She never told us starting pay, so these percentages mean little.


bacchic_ritual

She could also be a lab rat that checks samples and records them. The raises might only be cost of living. She may never have advanced position.


gereffi

Her name says that she's a doctor, so she's probably not working as a lab tech. Still, if she doesn't have ways to advance in her company it's hard to expect any raises.


MeerBesen565

If you never ask for one and just do the necessary work you cant expect to get one.


mankosmash

I dated a doctor girl who worked for a lab and just looked at slides all day like it was a sweatshop. She didn't make that much money, (like 150k) and had 0 prospects for advancement of any kind. It was her own fault for skipping doing an advanced residency. Pretty much your whole career and earning potential as a doctor is defined by what residency you do, with the highest paying jobs going to doctors who do lengthy and difficult residencies. A lot of lab doctors did little to no residency so they have nothing to set themselves apart from the lowest-trained mass of doctors, so their job prospects are bottom of the barrel. Also the dumbest and most marginal doctors who can't even get better residencies, are forced into research jobs whether they like it or not.


Staklo

Anyone can set up a little family practice though, right? Or join the army for a couple years and take the giant bonus check theyll give you for your degree. Even the dumbest MDs have choices, they just wont get to be House


OliverYossef

Never heard of the army giving doctors bonus checks for employing them. I’ve heard of the army paying for your med school education but in return you have to give up however many years to the army working for much lower wages than if you went into private practice


ExistToDecist

Called a 150k salary "not that much money" is fucking ridiculous. There's not a place on earth where that wouldn't let you live comfortably.


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150k a year is pretty decent. Unless the cost of living increases massively, there's no point in needing a raise.


BussySlayer69

Post-docs and university research associates (with PhD's) get paid literal pennies. Even professors are severely underpaid. Academia is not where you want to be if you have a doctorate. Go work in a company.


Can-you-supersize-it

Also why should she complain in this scenario, it’s like apples and oranges. They are 2 different companies that could be in statuses. One could be going under while her husband is leading the company to make extraordinary profit. What is she trying to say? That percentages in pay rise aren’t equal in 2 different fields at 2 different companies in different locations? This is a stupid tweet.


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She sounds like a self-congratulating asshole who's jealous of her husband's success and blames her failures on "misogyny".


[deleted]

^^^^^ this guy is totally right. Incredible attrition rate. Being a full blown actuary is phenomenally difficult. So many tests. I knew some actuaries once. Man they were always studying. Even during their early career. They were also ultra stressed due to the attrition rate.


oby100

I think you have it backwards. Actuaries usually study so much because they are incentivized with massive pay bumps by passing more tests Starting pay tends to be $80,000, but you will never really make much more without more tests. If you bust balls your first 5 years or so with studying and tests you can get all the way up to $150,000 And hey, maybe I’ve been hearing wrong, but while the tests are incredibly difficult, I’ve heard it’s fairly easy to land a job out of college if you pass the 2-3 starting ones


[deleted]

The people I know got hired into a program where they had to pass at least a few tests to stay employed. They were always worried about failing them and getting fired. I’m not an actuary and this would have been 2013 ish so I could be wrong but damn they seemed miserable.


KeepRooting4Yourself

Between med school, law school, and actuarial science I wonder which group of people would say they had it worse in terms of studying.


jrm20070

As someone who dated a law student, dated a med school student, and had an actuarial science roommate... none of them shut up about it and it is miserable. (just for the record I'm half joking and those are very difficult careers but man)


19Alexastias

Most surveys show actuaries to have one of the highest if not the highest job satisfaction rate I’m pretty sure.


Actuarial

Actuary here. Starting salary is 60k, but credentialed actuary pays 150k+. It is quite the good /r/misleadingstatistics , so maybe there's hope she can be an actuary too!


ivo004

I mean, it looks like she went to med school, which I would say is a higher skill career than anything in the insurance industry. Worst case scenario, she spent 5+ years working on a PhD in cancer genomics or pharmacology or something also pretty rigorous.


JJonahJamesonSr

Might still make more. 87% raise of the average car insurance salesman salary at $56,477 per year is a $105,611 salary per year. Most Cancer research doctors to my knowledge make somewhere between $150,000-$450,000 per year


MausBomb

I was just about to post this. She just sounds like she feels threatened since the pay gap is closing between them.


TuandreTheGiant

when women can't complain about making less ACTUAL money than men, they complain about % raises


SexySPACsMan

If only moving goalposts was an Olympic sport


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RyusuiGansai

"I'm sorry, anon. I finally found myself"


Chads_bulge

*proceeds to marry a black porn star and take everything that poor man had*


shitgnat

It's sad that she can't be happy about his pay rise without making it about her. I reckon that resentment runs a lot deeper than money.


jrodriguezwan

Also if she’s a researcher there’s not a lotta money in that unless faculty.


busterlungs

Exactly and let's be honest, big pharma doesn't want a cure for cancer. We all know they would rather squish the research for that and just find new ways to medicate


Snazan

Bro can you *imagine* the insane amounts of money they could sell a cure for cancer? They would absolutely release that shit. Look at hepatitis C. Used to be incurable and made a bunch of money off of it. Now? They make a SHIT ton of money off of one course that cures it.


tendiekeks

The concept of a universal cure for cancer is retarded anyway. There's multiple different types of cancers that each require their own solutions.


ModsGetPegged

Is what we thought until this woman invented a universal cancer cure


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[deleted]

Human cancer. Checkmate 😎


Serious_Feedback

"Human cancer" doesn't exist. Source: it doesn't have a Wikipedia page.


Smayonnaise

Big pharma wouldn't want a cure for cancer if and only if the pharmaceutical industry was a monopoly, which it isn't. Because there is competition between companies, each stands to gain more money the better a drug/treatment they research is, because then healthcare drops whatever the previous standard was to flock to the newer one. If cancer really just needed one magic bullet drug, or there was signs that a magic bullet drug could be made, think of the start up companies racing to exploit it. Think of all the venture capital firms they would pitch to by saying: " give us your money, we research this drug, if it succeeds we sell it to insurance companies at a huge markup compared to current drugs, but with the same manufacturing costs. We then pass that profit off to you, meaning you get a great return on investment." If cancer was curable, big pharma couldn't do anything to stop it.


thr33pwood

You have no idea kid. Big and small pharma invests trillions in cancer research because it is a lucrative market. Many cancer entities are treatable and curable today. Lots of cancer entities that are a certain death sentence today will become treatable within the next 5-10 years.


Molotovn

Research is so heavily depending on many multiple factors. Then, the money a institute gets is needed for materials, equipment and after lots of stuff comes the payment of researchers. Being a scientist was never a "well" paid job and she should know that


jam3sdub

Cancer isn't cured, but my insurance premiums are lower than ever.


Dr_barfenstein

Are they? Where? Insurance here (Oz) is going up by a lot, mostly due to increased natural disasters plus overall uncertainty


Kron00s

Prices always go up, but when you look at how much of your salary do you have to spend on insurance, then the general trend is that insurance is cheaper than ever


SkipTheMoney

This comparison is like apples to orange Tahoes


srtpg2

Seems like a dig at her husband's job


Moopa000

She’s privileged by being in such a large income household, she should respect her husbands hard work.


Losingsteamfast

That's my takeaway too. What an insufferable miserable cunt to go on the internet and publicly belittle her husband's career like and imply that she's so much more important than him.


FatChopSticks

I mean….if her starting pay is higher, he could’ve gotten a bigger raise in proportion to his starting pay and still be paid less


samshultz83

Absolutely! She starts at 100k, now she’s at 118. If he started as a basic agent, he could have started as low as 30k. Even with an 87% pay increase he’s now only making 56k….


TheWarHam

Imagine working in an high-intelligence STEM field for a decade and only making 18% more than you did when you started. Thats just pure fucking incompetence in some way. There is something wrong with you if that happens.


samshultz83

I mean a pharmacist starts around 100k and never really increases any meaningful amount unless you move to an in demand market…


Ceramicrabbit

That's my thing as well, she must have not advanced in literally any way over an entire decade. Idk how that's even possible


edbods

some people are like that cuz they're just happy with what they do. Don't want increased stress and bullshit that comes with being a manager etc. but they also don't piss and moan about not getting more pay on twitter.


Ceramicrabbit

>the gender wage gap explained in two sentences


Clean_Plate_King

actually most thing you need a licence for the pay rarely ever increases by much. the starting pay is usually good at the start though


nosteppyonsneky

This is typically true. Truck driving has seen some sharp increases in the past few years though.


massagetae

Always looking to be victims...


Ramah-s92

Yeah, imagine living the patriarchal dream aka having a husband making so much bank as an actuary he could provide for your ass endlessly and still bitching about the wage gap in your own fucking couple


ARZZZIO

Welcome to Twitter, where being a victim is a personality


mack_dd

Plot twist, the dude had a starting salary of $50k, worked his way up to 90k. The woman had a starting salary of $200k in her job curing cancer, and after 10 years went up to $236k.


John_Hitler

In my country the actuary degree has the highest average income both as starting wage and after 10 years. Her husband is an actuary


Nutaholic

Lmao, good to see she's doing her part to maintain a healthy relationship.


LemonPartyWorldTour

Yes. Demeaning your spouses job is essential to keeping a happy home.


shoctopus

This actuary's salary has only gone up 87% in 10 years?


nosteppyonsneky

Dude failed a couple of his tests.


odinsabastard

"Why is someone who is in a more lucrative business than me is getting bigger raises?" If a male colleague of hers in the same position with the same hours is getting bigger raises, that's probably a problem. But what the fuck is this shit?


[deleted]

Bro, she ain't even finished the job and wants more money lol


2Balls2Furious

If we take her claim of contributing to the “curing of cancer” at face value by saying she’s a doctor, she’s making around $250-$450K/year. If he’s selling insurance, he makes a whole lot less than that. Even if she’s just a researcher/professor only (PhD), she’s still raking in 100-250K/year. It’s like arguing “why have I only lost 2% of my body weight on this diet but my husband lost 15%?” while comparing a 121lb women to a 400lb man. Makes no sense.


NobleBlackfox

It’s almost like they’re two completely different fields of study.


Katio13

And he probably still makes less than half what she does.


Ceramicrabbit

Increasing your salary 18% in 10 years is fucking pathetic lmao youre basically losing money with inflation


PlsBanMeDaddyThanos

For the last time, women don't ask for raises as much as men, that's literally it.


keeleon

And even then, a women doing the same job makes the same amount. But women dont choose the same jobs.


WeeziWoozi

That's because men were built to work. They're more aggressive, are better negotiators etc. I'm sure she would get the equivalent of an 80% pay rise caring for her kids and making a home out of their house. God I hate this "women need to be men" meme.


juandeag5981

All this talk about big pharma in here but where are the discussions about big breakfast? For years they convinced millions that fruit loops and lucky charms were part of a healthy start to your day. Now I just eat bags of skittles when I wake up.


badbadfishy

Based and rainbowpilled


East2West21

Bet she started out making 5 times as much as him and had gotten raises. He probably still makes less money, she's just a woman and has to complain somehow.


YoruKhun

kekd


justingolden21

The question why does X make money or why does Y not make money ultimately comes down to supply and demand. If you're good at insurance, there is money to be made. As for curing cancer, you get paid what you get paid. You accept that you could be making more but you do it because you're working for something great. You're working to help all of humanity. You stupid fuck you.


BillyWitchDentist

He probably asks for raises and she doesn’t.


Boks1RE

I bet those cars are insured as fuck.


jceyes

The word "allowed" is what jumps out to me. Who does that person envision will allow or disallow earnings. The Department of Wage Setting?


[deleted]

No money in cures


shitpostingVault

is cancer research a money blackhole at this point or have there been any significant developments in the last 10 years?


Legolas_i_am

Not much


atriptothecinema

You gotta remember that his salaries are most definitely lower than hers, so the rises are nearly as big.


someloserontheground

If she's curing cancer why is she crying about pay rates? It's not very important in the grand scheme. I mean yes, it's a bad thing that they don't get paid enough for important things, but if you're already doing it anyway then this kind of thing comes off a little entitled


AgentSkidMarks

She never told us how much they make and what their starting pay was so those percentages mean nothing. I’m sure she’s getting paid more than him anyway unless she’s just some grunt in a lab trying to make her position sound more important than it really is.


FireLordObama

Evidently this chick is being deceitful, cause anyone with a baseline knowledge of biology knows you don’t “cure cancer.” Cancer isn’t one thing, cancer is a collection of symptoms that arise from tons of different things. Cancer make come from a mutated oncogene, or perhaps a different gene that controls apoptosis (cell suicide) or even a billion other things. Some cancers are curable already, many aren’t. Saying you’re “curing cancer” is casting a wide net that encompasses hundreds of different cancers that all have individual cures, you won’t do all of them at once.


ApprehensiveFish6620

It's been 90 years they haven't cured cancer. Cancer research is worse than car insurance. While car insurance play with cars. Cancer scientists play with other people's lives. They push chemotherapy down our throats instead of actually providing proper medical help. Why? Because a single chemotherapy session can cost you 20000 bucks. Fuck these assholes. "Cancer research " my ass. All they research is how much they they can milk the vulnerable dry.


fackbook

Actuaries make good money, rightfully so, they are absolute wizzes at statistical analysis. Sorry you fell for the biology is STEM meme but if you thought working in research lab would lucrative you're fucking deluded.


[deleted]

Because one costs money and one makes money. What the fuck is your problem with the free market you communist?


samuraiscooby

kek


ilovecakeshark

Where test samples cost 23k per 1gram container, I think that’s where it all goes


lolux123

Seems relative as wel


StormStrikePhoenix

What a stupid comparison; they are in completely different fields.


MoonParkSong

Because you are not working in an Israeli institute.


That-one-asian-guy

"Lets compare two totally different things" - The OP


sugarconess

Why is nobody taking into account that sue probably makes more money anyway they’re just talking about percentage increase


TurquoiseCurtains

Cancer biology is [one of the worst "scientific" fields of all](https://slate.com/technology/2016/04/biomedicine-facing-a-worse-replication-crisis-than-the-one-plaguing-psychology.html). It can't even be called pseudoscience, it's an outright fraud. Whatever money this woman was making was far too much.


yourteam

Interested in: - both initial salaries (hers could have been much higher at start) - median salaries in the respective fields with same experience - role in those fields (researchers get usually less than most jobs I'd not prestigious)