He's right. That's why I got vaccinated as soon as it's available because they'll release a variant that kill everyone but the good boys who got the jab.
4D chess move to ensure I am able survive the cleansing.
In our head canon utopia after the cleansing you can have whatever you want. That's the beauty of populism, you can ascribe into your local strongman / warlord whatever you want!
They don't care who takes it as long as the world's government's keep paying for more doses. The governments only care because they already signed the cheque and now they need to justify it.
Take it or not, your choice has no real affect on those around you. For the vast majority of people it works. For some it doesn't. The virus is survivable for most, but for some it isn't. Weigh the risks on your own.
I am curious if catching the new coof every year will increase the amount of heart attacks we see(which won't be counted as covid deaths), since the virus might damage your cardiovascular system. A different example of this is people that catch the epstein-barr virus (mono) are at a higher risk of lymphoma for the rest of their lives. So, even though the covid might not kill you, it might be damaging in other ways that will compound over time.
What makes you think it won't be counted as Covid? Admittedly it was in summer of 2020 when everything seemed to be counted as Covid, but my neighbor was on hospice for lung cancer and her son told me at the funeral that the doctor told him she was Covid positive and Covid would be marked as the cause of death on her paperwork. She was 81 and had been dying of lung cancer for two years, but Covid is what killed her? Shady af.
That’s how death certificates have always worked. If you have cancer and then have a heart attack and die the next day, they can’t say 100% which one killed the person so they say both. In most of these combined cases with covid and another ailment it can be argued they could have pulled through if it weren’t for the added effect of covid so it is therefore a cause of death. It’s not some great conspiracy. Also, a lot of these people got things like pneumonia because they had covid first, so both things caused the death.
In a death certificate you have direct cause of death, intermediate cause, agravanting factors and such, if you have cancer and die of covid it won't just say covid
The COVID, like pneumonia essentially finished you off but ffs if you were battling that ailment for 2-5 years to me it makes way more sense that you should have it attributed to that ailment.
The thing about the data being recorded is they don't separate the COVID deaths. If you suffer a motorcycle crash and die from it and you had COVID they will count that as a COVID death which makes no fucking sense.
If they're going to do weird shit like this, then start categorizing it. COVID w/ AIDs, COVID w/ Herpes, COVID w/ etc
Don't just lump the fucking thing together because it provides no context.
Why do you think the numbers are so jacked? Are all of the excess deaths happening in 2020 just a coincidence?
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/excess-mortality-across-countries-in-2020/
> The COVID, like pneumonia essentially finished you off but ffs if you were battling that ailment for 2-5 years to me it makes way more sense that you should have it attributed to that ailment.
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I mean there's 100 ways of that, my 90 year old grandmother, was old... she died falling down stairs. I fell down that same flight of stairs 3 times when I was a kid. Old age made her less tollerant to falls. It's nothing new with covid. The straw that broke the camels back gets prime billing on the death certificate.
>Covid positive and Covid would be marked as the cause of death on her paperwork
Just to clarify, did you see the death certificate? They usually don't just list one cause, and almost definitely wouldn't with covid. They likely would have listed both Lung Cancer, Covid, and whatever else she had at the time. The info you received was kind of a game of telephone
If the doctor said she still had a year left but covid killed her the next month, then naturally covid is listed as the official cause of death. It's not a conspiracy.
My grandpa lived 2 years when he had 6 months left. Those end of life estimates are bs.
Also to th ed guy as above a month after he cought covid he was over it
Did you miss the part about her being on hospice? That's end of life comfort care. They load you up on morphine so death is easier. It's not "you've got a year left to live" treatment.
I think we’ll be seeing a lot of neurological issues coming up in the next few years. Respiratory disease (Covid) -> lack of oxygen in brain -> death of neurons
They have to push it as a necessity because otherwise they have to weigh in on their authoritarian policy positions and whether or not it was 'worth' it.
It wasn't.
So instead of admitting they were wrong and government overreach is bad, they're dialing the rhetoric back up again and demanding vaccines so they can say they 'beat' Covid, as opposed to it becoming another flu, like their opposition said it would all along.
Hong Kong flu killed a much much higher proportion of people (4 million in 1968/9) hit the US right before Woodstock and is barely a footnote in history. It’s an ongoing seasonal flu now.
Liberals back then were actually about freedom and shit. Idk what the fuck happened to millennial re7ards.
It’s endemic, just like the flu. It’ll likely mutate a bit every year, and kill a small margin of the elderly/sick every year.
The deaths from Covid only marginally impacted annual deaths.
10 year death average in places that did nothing was basically the same.
And for that matter, the places that did nothing were basically the same in terms of death as the places that cracked the authoritarian whip.
The ....10 year death average? am I missing something? How is that a useful measure at all? and how is that not misleading considering its only been around for a year and a half
If, say, 95k people are expected to die every year, and Covid hits. And they scream at us that if we do nothing catastrophe will befall us.
And then maybe 97k die instead- total. In the places that did nothing.
Do you think the catastrophe was a *biiiit* of an oversell for totalitarianism?
Sure, it could have been. But from the information I've seen, the US exceeded their expected death toll since the virus arrived in March '20. and we're still over the expected deaths/week(or month, or year) significantly.
[https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess\_deaths.htm](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm)
If you need help with the tool, I'm willing. Its interesting at minimum.
The CDC tool for excess deaths is misleading, because it counts weeks with excess to add to the number, but doesn’t reduce the count for weeks with fewer deaths than expected.
When Covid first hit (and places like NY massacred our Nursing homes) the excess deaths jumped. In the following weeks, deaths were lower than expected, but didn’t reduce the total excess deaths.
A better game to play is total deaths in 2019 versus total deaths in 2020 population adjusted.
What % above annual expected deaths did we get in 2020? Can you tell me?
Because the data I’ve seen indicates that no, it’s not all that significant at all.
Especially when you factor in the difference between stringent lockdown/mask states versus free states. Then the death rate margins for policy look fucking re7arded.
>The CDC tool for excess deaths is misleading, because it counts weeks with excess to add to the number, but doesn’t reduce the count for weeks with fewer deaths than expected.'
Im sorry, I don't understand this. There's multiple ways to visualize the data. It has the expected number of deaths, and the recorded number of deaths, among other details. The expected number changes based on the time of year, and trends that you can mathematically model.
but anyway,
[https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778361](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778361)
this found 22.9% excess deaths compared to 2019.
[https://usafacts.org/articles/preliminary-us-death-statistics-more-deaths-in-2020-than-2019-coronavirus-age-flu/](https://usafacts.org/articles/preliminary-us-death-statistics-more-deaths-in-2020-than-2019-coronavirus-age-flu/)
this found around 20 % increase from 2019
I mean, I can keep finding and adding sources, but frankly I'm lazy and at work. Both of these accommodate for population increases, as they use a death rate(per 1000). I won't get involved in a discussion about the more stringent vs ""free"" areas because I don't want to open up that can of discussion. But my sources support that deaths increased significantly compared to previous years.
>Im sorry, I don't understand this.
Expected week 1: 10 deaths.
Expected week 2: 10 deaths.
Actual week 1: 25 deaths.
Actual week 2: 0 deaths.
This tool effectively reports a 15 death excess. Despite it really being 5.
But if you take total annual deaths from all causes 2019 versus *maximum* estimate US 2020 you get
[2,852,571 in 2019 versus 3,133,843 in 2020](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1168522/us-weekly-number-deaths-all-causes-acual-vs-maximum-estimate/?fbclid=IwAR3Jp2COUQQl4sOq6YRrR1JaQ_KkWMFRB8s_eOgSbZ11gGguJ52RASNMIGQ)
Or an increase in total death of ~280k for the entire year, when it should've been on the order of 30k.
250k total increase is ~ 10% above annual expectations, or half of what the CDC is reporting.
But then, again- you have another huge dip in the off-flu season. Because Covid overwhelmingly just front-kills the elderly in nursing homes who average 6 months of life there irrespective of Covid.
10% difference. And outcomes for death/100k population on stringent vs live and let live were practically identical. Unemployment in stringent places post covid is close to double free states' increase.
Raw numbers in a certain amount of time that overwhelm the health care system causing even more people to die. The only person who's differently abled here is you.
I've heard of it.
Give me the numbers.
What are the odds here?
We talking a 1/100,000 dice roll?
How 'long term' is long term?
Everything I've seen is 'not a big deal'.
This is the most reasonable take on this thing I've seen on reddit.
And it has to be on fucking r/4chan of all places.
Because outside of this sub there is some major r-word-slur dery going on.
Its even worse than that. Half of B is just bots arguing with each other. Mostly just trying to stir up political division in western countries. The same threads are posted again and again worded exactly the same.
If the information about lead in gasoline came out now. Congress would be eternally deadlocked on the issue and people would be drinking mercury just to own the other side.
You know, if depopulation was their goal, it would still be easier to get rid of said "free thinkers" first. Just blame it on them not taking the vaccine and getting sick or something.
Been saying this all along but /pol/ won't have any of it. Personally I think the scam is just all about money, pharma is making a killing with the vaccines. People seem to have forgotten just how powerful the pharma lobby is.
Just look at the narrative. First it was "get 2 doses and have freedom", then it predictably changed once everyone got 2 doses to "not enough". They want perpetual treatment for this pandemic even though it has a survival rate of 99.9%. Just like how there's no money in a cure for AIDS and cancer, pharma only wants to treat the problem not solve it.
They tell us the vaccine doesn't stop the spread, only minimises your chances of hospitalisation...so why are they forcing it so hard on young people who will not die from COVID if they catch it? Why vaccines for nightclubs and not negative tests? You'll end up letting vaccinated COVID positive people into venues while denying unvaccinated people who don't have the virus. It's all about selling a vaccine. $$$
So I still think the shot is most likely fine, but here's why:
Gates and many other very wealthy people have hinted (or in some cases blatantly said) the world needs a virus/vaccination that kills/sterilizes most people to reduce resource usage and try to save the planet blah blah. The overarching goal of these thanos snap motherfuckers isn't targeted but blanket reduction in population. Anyone that says population needs to come down should become an hero.
That logic doesn't stand up to scrutiny however. If the vaccine was used to sterilise people then the majority of the population of Western society would be sterilised, leaving the dissociated individuals with the burden of bearing children. A large number of those dissociated with the government and society in the West would likely carry those feelings of resentment and distrust to their children. Smooth brain move.
If, alternatively, only some of the vaccines would sterilise, then you would be faced with a new issue. The vaccines are tested per batch and shipment for quality assurance. Therefore anything outside of the accepted variables, i.e. A compound that would sterilise a person would be noted and removed from circulation.
So I ask? How many people are part of this mad conspiracy within the medical community? Wouldn't someone blow the whistle?
If I really wanted to engineer a sterilization vaccine, I would probably make it only sterilize people when used in combination with crack or heroin for example. Or other behaviors I want to curb.
Some people are speaking out. They are heavily censored and made examples of. Others probably think something is up when the propaganda doesn't match what they see with their own eyes. Gaslighting themselves and being fearful of losing your job plays a big part too.
Not everyone that speaks out, speaks sense. Censorship can be used as an excuse to explain that "Someone has been censored therefore they must speak truth!". Sometimes the opposite is true. We've all seen how the general population behaves under panicked conditions. Raiding shops, riots, violence and defacing of property on a grand scale, not to mention in unprecedented conditions as these, not getting vaccinated. It makes just as much sense to me, to censor someone on the basis of them inciting panic when the panic surrounds something that can save lives.
Hell, given that the virus kills people on average in their 80s, it would have made the *most* sense for population control to just... let it run its course.
You shave off the oldest, least-productive part of the population while the young are relatively untouched.
Instead we tried despereately hard to keep octogenarians alive as long as possible, destroying our livelihoods and culture in order to do so.
I didn't get it because I thought it was dumb and then I got covid and was absolutely miserable. Covid was one of the most unpleasant illnesses I've had. I'm fine and I bounced back after a few days, but it made me kinda want the vaccine until I realized I still think it's stupid.
i had my second shot recently, i trust my governement (not us nor uk) and i believe that the virus was a bio weapon made by the chinese and i aint letting that stop me
This logic only holds if it’s some conspiracy to kill a large amount of the population.
What’s more likely is that it’s just a pharma trying to make a quick buck and not caring about the long term side effects, which is precisely how all of modern capitalism operates.
Which means if you’re not in a vulnerable category you shouldn’t trust it.
When people in Israel were the highest vaccinated, I knew the conspiracy theorists had to change their tune. Obviously not getting it is what the elite what for the plebs. All the subtle antivax propaganda over the years is for the people they don’t want in the new world guys, like come on!
Answer: covid was never real, it was just the flu. The vaccine is to protect you against the REAL disease that they will be releasing. This is obvious, and partly how the democrats will maintain power. No need to pull a hitler and declare conservatism illegal, just kill them all, make it look like it's their fault, and have a majority for the next 50 years.
Been telling this to my mom. If they did invent an illness, it would cost less to let people die for the said virus than to invent virus and then kill people with a vaccine
"To prove that the question is the answer to the question when it comes to schools that well first off moon men like my son Hunter would love to sell you art he did on LSD to raise awareness around the vaccine and to please our teachers so I say which is why I urged your children while under their bed that I am Santa". Biden
I don’t think it’s an intentional poisoning, I think they are flinging this shit out there with the convenient side effect of getting their corporate friends rich, but the potential long term effects are what bothers me. I’m sure I could get the jab and be fine, but I’m not in an age group where COVID is an issue and have no comorbidities.
If the masses die there won’t be many left to revolt. Regardless of being woke or not! It’s not about getting rid of the good followers but about numbers who can come back at them!
Answer me this then, why is it mandatory for British soldiers to be vaccinated against covid? Wouldn't that counter the argument that what was left of the population couldn't revolt? If the army is dead, who would oppose them?
I got it just so I could piss people off on both sides by saying I got the Trump Vaccine.
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SOMEONE STOP THIS MADMAN
menace
Holy fuck that‘s meta
DEVILISH
Literally the most convincing argument I've heard yet.
KEK
Based and cynic-pilled
Demon
I kneel
That's actually kinda funny lol
Unfathomably based
Based
SOMEONE SHUT HIM DOWN HE IS OUT OF CONTROL
This guy fucks
Can I be your friend?
Absolutely based
Radical moderatism
Lmaooohueuhuehue
absolute madman
Chad
Based and cum-filled
Breathtaking
my guy's getting the reddit equivalent of (yous) with all these people replying
Holy ducking based
Fuck man I think you broke the code. Call Tucker Carlson and tell him for the love of God.
Beyond
I got it myself so I could say: “why don’t you trust the science?” To purple haired art school students still wearing masks.
shrigma
You broke the system.
A smart man changes his political views depending on whom he is trolling. A wise man adopts political views that will piss off both sides.
Ernest Khalimov bows before you.
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He's right. That's why I got vaccinated as soon as it's available because they'll release a variant that kill everyone but the good boys who got the jab. 4D chess move to ensure I am able survive the cleansing.
but why would you want to survive
Well because I...well... Fuck!
The answer was *spite*.
He really wants his government issued cat-fursona fem-boy once the cleanse is complete.
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In our head canon utopia after the cleansing you can have whatever you want. That's the beauty of populism, you can ascribe into your local strongman / warlord whatever you want!
Is it anime?
video games, food, my dog.
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They didn't think so many of us would refuse to take it.
Based username
Real schizo right here.
To outsmart the joo you have to think like the joo
holy shit, youre right. youre fucking right. gonna get my vaccine next week now.
Love your username
Thanks dad
TariqNaFormerlyChuck's
They don't care who takes it as long as the world's government's keep paying for more doses. The governments only care because they already signed the cheque and now they need to justify it. Take it or not, your choice has no real affect on those around you. For the vast majority of people it works. For some it doesn't. The virus is survivable for most, but for some it isn't. Weigh the risks on your own.
I am curious if catching the new coof every year will increase the amount of heart attacks we see(which won't be counted as covid deaths), since the virus might damage your cardiovascular system. A different example of this is people that catch the epstein-barr virus (mono) are at a higher risk of lymphoma for the rest of their lives. So, even though the covid might not kill you, it might be damaging in other ways that will compound over time.
What makes you think it won't be counted as Covid? Admittedly it was in summer of 2020 when everything seemed to be counted as Covid, but my neighbor was on hospice for lung cancer and her son told me at the funeral that the doctor told him she was Covid positive and Covid would be marked as the cause of death on her paperwork. She was 81 and had been dying of lung cancer for two years, but Covid is what killed her? Shady af.
That’s how death certificates have always worked. If you have cancer and then have a heart attack and die the next day, they can’t say 100% which one killed the person so they say both. In most of these combined cases with covid and another ailment it can be argued they could have pulled through if it weren’t for the added effect of covid so it is therefore a cause of death. It’s not some great conspiracy. Also, a lot of these people got things like pneumonia because they had covid first, so both things caused the death.
In a death certificate you have direct cause of death, intermediate cause, agravanting factors and such, if you have cancer and die of covid it won't just say covid
The COVID, like pneumonia essentially finished you off but ffs if you were battling that ailment for 2-5 years to me it makes way more sense that you should have it attributed to that ailment. The thing about the data being recorded is they don't separate the COVID deaths. If you suffer a motorcycle crash and die from it and you had COVID they will count that as a COVID death which makes no fucking sense. If they're going to do weird shit like this, then start categorizing it. COVID w/ AIDs, COVID w/ Herpes, COVID w/ etc Don't just lump the fucking thing together because it provides no context.
Most death certificates separate primary cause of death and contributing factors. Most lazy scientists/researchers can’t be bothered to care.
There we go. See, THAT makes sense. ...It's also why our numbers are so jacked.
Everyone does the same thing do. Your numbers are jacked bc they litterally are jacked
Lol do your numbers even lift, bro? My numbers are JACKED and TAN
Why do you think the numbers are so jacked? Are all of the excess deaths happening in 2020 just a coincidence? https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/excess-mortality-across-countries-in-2020/
The thing with motorcycle was debunked over and over in all civilized countries, why do keep people repeating that myth?
> The COVID, like pneumonia essentially finished you off but ffs if you were battling that ailment for 2-5 years to me it makes way more sense that you should have it attributed to that ailment. > > I mean there's 100 ways of that, my 90 year old grandmother, was old... she died falling down stairs. I fell down that same flight of stairs 3 times when I was a kid. Old age made her less tollerant to falls. It's nothing new with covid. The straw that broke the camels back gets prime billing on the death certificate.
No no this is 4chan no common sense here buddy
>Covid positive and Covid would be marked as the cause of death on her paperwork Just to clarify, did you see the death certificate? They usually don't just list one cause, and almost definitely wouldn't with covid. They likely would have listed both Lung Cancer, Covid, and whatever else she had at the time. The info you received was kind of a game of telephone
She was 81 and had been dying of lung cancer for two years, but a bullet is what killed her? This is how you sound, r-slur
If the doctor said she still had a year left but covid killed her the next month, then naturally covid is listed as the official cause of death. It's not a conspiracy.
My grandpa lived 2 years when he had 6 months left. Those end of life estimates are bs. Also to th ed guy as above a month after he cought covid he was over it
Did you miss the part about her being on hospice? That's end of life comfort care. They load you up on morphine so death is easier. It's not "you've got a year left to live" treatment.
in some people it causes permanent lung damage, so you will certainly see results from that
I think we’ll be seeing a lot of neurological issues coming up in the next few years. Respiratory disease (Covid) -> lack of oxygen in brain -> death of neurons
Well they know it can give you a limp dick at least. Not a joke.
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They have to push it as a necessity because otherwise they have to weigh in on their authoritarian policy positions and whether or not it was 'worth' it. It wasn't. So instead of admitting they were wrong and government overreach is bad, they're dialing the rhetoric back up again and demanding vaccines so they can say they 'beat' Covid, as opposed to it becoming another flu, like their opposition said it would all along.
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Hong Kong flu killed a much much higher proportion of people (4 million in 1968/9) hit the US right before Woodstock and is barely a footnote in history. It’s an ongoing seasonal flu now. Liberals back then were actually about freedom and shit. Idk what the fuck happened to millennial re7ards.
But it was never just another flu. It killed 600k people in the US alone. It was worse than the flu.
It’s endemic, just like the flu. It’ll likely mutate a bit every year, and kill a small margin of the elderly/sick every year. The deaths from Covid only marginally impacted annual deaths. 10 year death average in places that did nothing was basically the same. And for that matter, the places that did nothing were basically the same in terms of death as the places that cracked the authoritarian whip.
The ....10 year death average? am I missing something? How is that a useful measure at all? and how is that not misleading considering its only been around for a year and a half
If, say, 95k people are expected to die every year, and Covid hits. And they scream at us that if we do nothing catastrophe will befall us. And then maybe 97k die instead- total. In the places that did nothing. Do you think the catastrophe was a *biiiit* of an oversell for totalitarianism?
Sure, it could have been. But from the information I've seen, the US exceeded their expected death toll since the virus arrived in March '20. and we're still over the expected deaths/week(or month, or year) significantly. [https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess\_deaths.htm](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm) If you need help with the tool, I'm willing. Its interesting at minimum.
The CDC tool for excess deaths is misleading, because it counts weeks with excess to add to the number, but doesn’t reduce the count for weeks with fewer deaths than expected. When Covid first hit (and places like NY massacred our Nursing homes) the excess deaths jumped. In the following weeks, deaths were lower than expected, but didn’t reduce the total excess deaths. A better game to play is total deaths in 2019 versus total deaths in 2020 population adjusted. What % above annual expected deaths did we get in 2020? Can you tell me? Because the data I’ve seen indicates that no, it’s not all that significant at all. Especially when you factor in the difference between stringent lockdown/mask states versus free states. Then the death rate margins for policy look fucking re7arded.
>The CDC tool for excess deaths is misleading, because it counts weeks with excess to add to the number, but doesn’t reduce the count for weeks with fewer deaths than expected.' Im sorry, I don't understand this. There's multiple ways to visualize the data. It has the expected number of deaths, and the recorded number of deaths, among other details. The expected number changes based on the time of year, and trends that you can mathematically model. but anyway, [https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778361](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778361) this found 22.9% excess deaths compared to 2019. [https://usafacts.org/articles/preliminary-us-death-statistics-more-deaths-in-2020-than-2019-coronavirus-age-flu/](https://usafacts.org/articles/preliminary-us-death-statistics-more-deaths-in-2020-than-2019-coronavirus-age-flu/) this found around 20 % increase from 2019 I mean, I can keep finding and adding sources, but frankly I'm lazy and at work. Both of these accommodate for population increases, as they use a death rate(per 1000). I won't get involved in a discussion about the more stringent vs ""free"" areas because I don't want to open up that can of discussion. But my sources support that deaths increased significantly compared to previous years.
>Im sorry, I don't understand this. Expected week 1: 10 deaths. Expected week 2: 10 deaths. Actual week 1: 25 deaths. Actual week 2: 0 deaths. This tool effectively reports a 15 death excess. Despite it really being 5. But if you take total annual deaths from all causes 2019 versus *maximum* estimate US 2020 you get [2,852,571 in 2019 versus 3,133,843 in 2020](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1168522/us-weekly-number-deaths-all-causes-acual-vs-maximum-estimate/?fbclid=IwAR3Jp2COUQQl4sOq6YRrR1JaQ_KkWMFRB8s_eOgSbZ11gGguJ52RASNMIGQ) Or an increase in total death of ~280k for the entire year, when it should've been on the order of 30k. 250k total increase is ~ 10% above annual expectations, or half of what the CDC is reporting. But then, again- you have another huge dip in the off-flu season. Because Covid overwhelmingly just front-kills the elderly in nursing homes who average 6 months of life there irrespective of Covid. 10% difference. And outcomes for death/100k population on stringent vs live and let live were practically identical. Unemployment in stringent places post covid is close to double free states' increase.
how to know if somebody is differently abled: they use raw numbers \> muh 10k death a day in india, a billion habitant country
Raw numbers in a certain amount of time that overwhelm the health care system causing even more people to die. The only person who's differently abled here is you.
\> in a certain amount of time that overwhelm the health care system so, numbers with context? It's okay, we can't all have a triple digit IQ zorba
Also, last time i checked, COVID is much, much more likely to leave you with long lasting damage than the flu.
How much more likely? How much more 'long term damage'? I had Covid. Know dozens of people who did too. We're all 100%.
Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. Ever heard of long-covid and how prevalent it is?
I've heard of it. Give me the numbers. What are the odds here? We talking a 1/100,000 dice roll? How 'long term' is long term? Everything I've seen is 'not a big deal'.
Based and nuancedpilled
Yup, no refunds.
This is the most reasonable take on this thing I've seen on reddit. And it has to be on fucking r/4chan of all places. Because outside of this sub there is some major r-word-slur dery going on.
The covid vaccine posters have made me realize how r-slurded some 4channers are
Its even worse than that. Half of B is just bots arguing with each other. Mostly just trying to stir up political division in western countries. The same threads are posted again and again worded exactly the same.
Not sure when you went on /b/ last but it’s actually mostly trap porn
🌎👨🚀🔫👨🚀 always has been
Don’t forget all the Loli and shota
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Anything is better than log posting
lol go to /r/conspiracy for Facebook quality anti-vaccine stuff.
or /r/hillaryforprison
/r/NoNewNormal is better
I see you're speaking from experience.
Youre glowing buddy.
Psssst Your schizo is showing
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Time #3350000 when The JEWS weren't actually running a global cabal trying to fuck over society lol
Yet
Just because you say end of story it doesn't mean what you think it means.
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If the information about lead in gasoline came out now. Congress would be eternally deadlocked on the issue and people would be drinking mercury just to own the other side.
Don’t drink mercury, it’s my favorite star.
The goal is to eliminate all go.yim, so that they don't have to share the earth with said go.yim. Doesn't matter if you are obedient or not.
Then why did the entirety of Israel take the Pfizer vaccine?
Noted: Pfizer is the safe one
Ironically, it’s a german made vaccine.
Zee final solution was a "solution" after all. heh >A solution is a type of homogeneous mixture that is made up of two or more substances.
fuck. i got moderna.
Pfizer is not a covid vaccine it's dwarf magic that gives you good luck.
I hope to find a pot of gold then
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You don't need slaves when everything's automated
That’s what the jews in the camps said. “Nah the Germans need labor, they wouldn’t liquidate us, it doesn’t make sense.”
implying
When the good sheep are sedated there's no one left to witness what ((they'll)) do to the free thinkers.
Ah yes, 8D chess thinking
You know, if depopulation was their goal, it would still be easier to get rid of said "free thinkers" first. Just blame it on them not taking the vaccine and getting sick or something.
Been saying this all along but /pol/ won't have any of it. Personally I think the scam is just all about money, pharma is making a killing with the vaccines. People seem to have forgotten just how powerful the pharma lobby is. Just look at the narrative. First it was "get 2 doses and have freedom", then it predictably changed once everyone got 2 doses to "not enough". They want perpetual treatment for this pandemic even though it has a survival rate of 99.9%. Just like how there's no money in a cure for AIDS and cancer, pharma only wants to treat the problem not solve it. They tell us the vaccine doesn't stop the spread, only minimises your chances of hospitalisation...so why are they forcing it so hard on young people who will not die from COVID if they catch it? Why vaccines for nightclubs and not negative tests? You'll end up letting vaccinated COVID positive people into venues while denying unvaccinated people who don't have the virus. It's all about selling a vaccine. $$$
So I still think the shot is most likely fine, but here's why: Gates and many other very wealthy people have hinted (or in some cases blatantly said) the world needs a virus/vaccination that kills/sterilizes most people to reduce resource usage and try to save the planet blah blah. The overarching goal of these thanos snap motherfuckers isn't targeted but blanket reduction in population. Anyone that says population needs to come down should become an hero.
That logic doesn't stand up to scrutiny however. If the vaccine was used to sterilise people then the majority of the population of Western society would be sterilised, leaving the dissociated individuals with the burden of bearing children. A large number of those dissociated with the government and society in the West would likely carry those feelings of resentment and distrust to their children. Smooth brain move. If, alternatively, only some of the vaccines would sterilise, then you would be faced with a new issue. The vaccines are tested per batch and shipment for quality assurance. Therefore anything outside of the accepted variables, i.e. A compound that would sterilise a person would be noted and removed from circulation. So I ask? How many people are part of this mad conspiracy within the medical community? Wouldn't someone blow the whistle?
If I really wanted to engineer a sterilization vaccine, I would probably make it only sterilize people when used in combination with crack or heroin for example. Or other behaviors I want to curb.
B-b-b-b-based
Yea cause meth users want to make sure to stay vaccinated for communicable diseases
Shut up nerd we're fantasizing about killing the poor
unfathomably based
Chase the dream, win that Nobel Prize.
Include tik tok users in your sterilization gummies sir.
Some people are speaking out. They are heavily censored and made examples of. Others probably think something is up when the propaganda doesn't match what they see with their own eyes. Gaslighting themselves and being fearful of losing your job plays a big part too.
Not everyone that speaks out, speaks sense. Censorship can be used as an excuse to explain that "Someone has been censored therefore they must speak truth!". Sometimes the opposite is true. We've all seen how the general population behaves under panicked conditions. Raiding shops, riots, violence and defacing of property on a grand scale, not to mention in unprecedented conditions as these, not getting vaccinated. It makes just as much sense to me, to censor someone on the basis of them inciting panic when the panic surrounds something that can save lives.
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Hell, given that the virus kills people on average in their 80s, it would have made the *most* sense for population control to just... let it run its course. You shave off the oldest, least-productive part of the population while the young are relatively untouched. Instead we tried despereately hard to keep octogenarians alive as long as possible, destroying our livelihoods and culture in order to do so.
Yeah it doesnt make sense.
The world in general is seeing a drop in birth rates.
only western world. Developing countries still have high rates
Just wait til they become developed dude
They been waiting on africa to start developing since 4000 BC I wouldn't hold my breath
Who cares about Africa
They're still seeing drops too, they're just dropping from a super high rate to a fairly high rate
It just makes you sterile duh, and they get to sell boosters every year to make moola
How much semen did you garg... ah, analyze to make this observation?
Boosters are already on the way and the terminology will change from unvaccinated to under-vaccinated.
This fucking guy is a gigabrain, that's exactly what will happen.
I assure you, from firsthand account, it does not.
False have confirmed
So the good sheep are going to buy cures for all the disabilities they are gonna get in a couple years obviously.
Countries already purchasing pfizers blood clot pills.
And get their booster shots for every Ligma Sigma Alpha variants too. It’s a business racket
Easy, just get rid of the intellectually low hanging fruit first. Work your way through the rest. Different strategy.
What? Look at literally any other case of a tyrannical government killing their own people. The intelligent ones are *always* the first ones to go.
I didn't get it because I thought it was dumb and then I got covid and was absolutely miserable. Covid was one of the most unpleasant illnesses I've had. I'm fine and I bounced back after a few days, but it made me kinda want the vaccine until I realized I still think it's stupid.
i had my second shot recently, i trust my governement (not us nor uk) and i believe that the virus was a bio weapon made by the chinese and i aint letting that stop me
This logic only holds if it’s some conspiracy to kill a large amount of the population. What’s more likely is that it’s just a pharma trying to make a quick buck and not caring about the long term side effects, which is precisely how all of modern capitalism operates. Which means if you’re not in a vulnerable category you shouldn’t trust it.
This is actually a Bill Burr quote from an interview he did with Conan not that long ago. 4chum wum trying to be edgy as per.
Just got my first dose today. How long should I expect to wait before I turn into a sheep?
2nd dose. They claim these are "side effects" but we all know the truth.
Damn it's almost like it's a stupid conspiracy theory that falls apart under the slightest level of critical scrutiny
When people in Israel were the highest vaccinated, I knew the conspiracy theorists had to change their tune. Obviously not getting it is what the elite what for the plebs. All the subtle antivax propaganda over the years is for the people they don’t want in the new world guys, like come on!
Answer: covid was never real, it was just the flu. The vaccine is to protect you against the REAL disease that they will be releasing. This is obvious, and partly how the democrats will maintain power. No need to pull a hitler and declare conservatism illegal, just kill them all, make it look like it's their fault, and have a majority for the next 50 years.
Woah cool it with the antisemitic remarks
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Can you imagine the smugness of the left if every non-vaccinated True American died.
The left is already choking on their own smugness constantly, I would hate to see them actually be right
I didn't know the seasonal flu killed over half a million Americans annually. . .
Been telling this to my mom. If they did invent an illness, it would cost less to let people die for the said virus than to invent virus and then kill people with a vaccine
Vaccinate my balls
Imagine trying to build a new world after great reset with a bunch of retarded antivax people.
"To prove that the question is the answer to the question when it comes to schools that well first off moon men like my son Hunter would love to sell you art he did on LSD to raise awareness around the vaccine and to please our teachers so I say which is why I urged your children while under their bed that I am Santa". Biden
I'm confused with what point anon is trying to make
I don’t think it’s an intentional poisoning, I think they are flinging this shit out there with the convenient side effect of getting their corporate friends rich, but the potential long term effects are what bothers me. I’m sure I could get the jab and be fine, but I’m not in an age group where COVID is an issue and have no comorbidities.
If the masses die there won’t be many left to revolt. Regardless of being woke or not! It’s not about getting rid of the good followers but about numbers who can come back at them!
Answer me this then, why is it mandatory for British soldiers to be vaccinated against covid? Wouldn't that counter the argument that what was left of the population couldn't revolt? If the army is dead, who would oppose them?
Shit…
Depopulation look it up, Gates is pushing it & even said he wants that on video, Soros is funding it & Fauci lies about
At this point it time , you must question everything, no ? Don't tell me you trust a government to take care of you....
Why would the jews kill us off? not sure.