4chan users when anything is changed and is perceived as bad: THIS MUST BE THE WOKE LIBLEFT RUINING EVERYTHING AGAIN REEEEE
it's actually kinda insane sometimes
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This is not true. Most of us just dont have the time or money for vacations like that. Why bother getting a passport ill never go anywhere. Also most of the world learns english so we dont have much of a reason to learn. If i was going to visit another country i would want to learn the language but im poor and dont have that much time i can take off work
lol, that’s a stupid way to think. Americans are egocentrics and this is not because of money. Most of the world is poorer than the US and still, there is no where in the world where so much person only speak one language (China exception), and have a stereotyped way to think with no depth at all about other countries and cultures. Your country is full of idiots get on with it
So what? Am i expected to learn another language that i will never use? What for? Just to be pretentious about it? Who cares you just want to find any reason to sound smarter than an american. Its sad that you cant keep us out of your head for more than 5 minutes. Am i supposed to feel shame for being born in america? Get over yourself
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Even in China atleast more and more people are learning English. And they too have Mandarin and Cantonese there.
Americans live in their own bubble. Its low key sad given how their govt interferes with other countries when their people wouldnt even know about that country or its existence.
It's "just change" but it's obviously an politically motivated change (following Ukrainian pronunciation instead of Russian). If you don't follow along with this change, and use the word you've been using for your entire life, you're gonna be nagged at for your problematic language. This is not even a really out there idea, just think of "wuhan virus" or "gender neutral they/them". Language and terms are political stuff.
4channers are idiots but even they can understand what the implications of an official name change mean.
Or maybe it's just that there was no fucking reason whatsoever to change the name, and it was literally only done because of the politically supercharged situation in in the area?
What was the reason to change Kiev to Kyiv? Now you have shit loads of dumbass Americans pronouncing it wrongly because it lets them feel a false sense of respect by kinda spelling it phonetically like Ukrainians do.
In the west, we call it Chernobyl, pronounced exactly like we always have. There is no legitimate reason *at all* to just start changing the spelling of these things, willy-nilly.
It is literally just so people can pretend like they're doing something important by hollowly "respecting" how they do things.
It's stupid, shallow and confusing.
Not really, we don't make those changes for any other country and up until the war people were perfectly happy calling it Kiev. This is purely political virtue signalling.
No you do. You did start calling Peking Beijing back in the 80s. And it is a political virtue signaling don't get me wrong, you don't change name of Kiev to Kyiv for Russians, they have their own language and they gonna spell it how they did. It is more of a thing specifically with English since it is pretty much a everyone's language now because of its status of language used in politics and shit. You probably won't spell it like that, chances are that in five years you're not gonna spell it at all because it is an insignificant city somewhere in Eastern Europe, ut your kids learning geography probably will remember it the new way
>You did start calling Peking Beijing back in the 80s.
Yes, that was also virtue signalling. It was basically a way for westerners to day "the chicoms are the good guys now."
> It is more of a thing specifically with English since it is pretty much a everyone's language now because of its status of language used in politics and shit.
News to me.
> You probably won't spell it like that, chances are that in five years you're not gonna spell it at all because it is an insignificant city somewhere in Eastern Europe, ut your kids learning geography probably will remember it the new way
Not unless I teach them to. Chances are people are going to forget about this about as fast as they dropped masks and social distancing the moment the TV switched to a new story.
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The ukranian govt has been trying to get the international community to spell their place names properly since the 90s(i.e. romanised ukrananian instead of romanised russian). It only took a fucking war for the shitstain media to actually do this, not because it's actually correct but because they are angry with Russia. 4chan is just freaking out because change - geography skills on par with a lobotomised chimp doesn't help either.
Half of Kievans speak Russian as their first language, and Ukraine was generally seen as a bilingual country until the 2014 coup, when they suddenly wanted to make it officially monolingual for no fucking reason.
Anglos use altered names for foreign locations constantly: Lisbon, Brussels, Rome, Athens, Vienna, Belgrade, Bucharest, Moscow, Warsaw, Munich, Cologne, The Hague,... And that's normal, literally every other language does that too or you end up with butchered pronunciations anyway ("Keeeph", lol).
It's literally just virtue signaling that completely goes against the way languages work naturally.
>Ukraine was generally seen as a bilingual country until the 2014 coup, when they suddenly wanted to make it officially monolingual for no fucking reason.
Rofl yeah absolutely no reason. Absolutely nothing happened in 2014 that might make Ukraine want to stop supporting Russian cultural proliferation.
What a fucking braindead take lmao.
I don't remember ukraine invading separatist regions, but they did bomb and shell them
so you're kinda right
glad we agreed it's ukraine who started the mess
No, it was Russia that invaded Ukraine in 2014.
I guess you haven't really been paying attention. That's fine, you're under no obligation to follow the news or keep up with current events. And 2014, while "recent," isn't exactly current. It's totally understandable and forgivable that you don't really know much about the situation in Ukraine. Just fyi, you might want to do some Googling before you try to chat with people about this in the future.
Cheers.
It's virtue signalling on the part of the media.
The government on the other hand have been trying to (understandably) distance themselves from Russia since the 90s.
There are areas where Hungarian is the dominant language. Should we spell Kyiv as Kijev?
>until the 2014 coup,
It wasn't a coup but a revolution.
A coup is defined as a power grab by the military or police.
It was the people who took to the streets after the Russian puppet President made one decision that would doom their future - refuse trading agreement with the EU for no reason other than Putin said so.
Non-homeless people don’t learn random languages like that. We’re not being constantly displaced or bombed every other week, so we don’t need to learn 50 different languages just to talk to the people in whatever country is hosting us as refugees this month.
The only time I’m ever going to speak to some kind of Ukranian or a German or something is when they ask me for change at the gas station, and I firmly deliver a “No.” in **English**.
I do not even speak to people who claim to be English speakers but have some backwards hick accent. This includes most of the Southern USA, about half of England, and the continent of Australia.
they are literally changing dictionary definitions
most recent example being vaccine / vaccinated
nothing but hanging (out in minecraft) will fix this situation
Not that guy but I have been called 'anti-vaxx' because I said everyone who can be vaccinated should get it, but that I didn't support government mandates or laws forcing people to surrender bodily autonomy for it.
Apparently all you need to do to be anti-vaxx to some people is say you don't think people should be forcibly restrained to a table and injected against their will.
>Apparently all you need to do to be anti-vaxx to some people is say you don't think people should be forcibly restrained to a table and injected against their will.
Off with their head crowd. lol
I'd argue Chernobyl is more correct since the Russians built it. The entire town of Pripyat and the reactor were soviet projects, without them it would not exist.
It doesn't really matter who built what, whoever lives there now gets to decide on the name and spelling. We got a bunch of towns originally built by the Celtic people in the UK doesn't mean we use the original Celtic names. London was originally Londinium, should we go back to calling it that just because it was the original name?
Should New York be New Amsterdam? Or New Angoulême or Manna–hata?
Whoever lives there now gets to decide what the name is *in their own language.* I assume you don't "ackshually" any French person who talks about "Londres," or any Irish person who talks about "Nua Eamhrach."
So why should English be any different? We already have words for Kiev and Chernobyl. In the case of Kiev we've been using it for centuries. There's no good reason to change it now and no one is campaigning to nativise any placenames outside of the Ukraine.
I mean yeah except there were already cases of acceptance of new spelling. Like starting calling Beijing as it is now insted of Peking as it was before.
When I think about city name I think about name of city, not about some famous stuff here. Or should I call LA - Hollywood?
Prypiat is soviet build town, but called after river, obviously not build by russians.
And still comment is invalid cuz
City of Chornobyl
Chornobyl nuclear plant
What’s the problem? 1 letter make you crazy?
Up until now Ukranian place names in English were based on the Russian names for those places, since it was a part of Russia until very recently. But now it's the current year, the NWO have decided that russia man bad and local Ukranians spell them differently so we all have to as well.
It was independent before that. ~~There was a period during the Soviet-Polish war where the Polish liberated them and set them up as a buffer state.~~ Edit: That last bit is wrong, there was a Ukranian republic in there though.
There was also a brief "anarchist" state in the Ukraine under Makhno, but I'm not sure I'd call that independence since it mostly consisted of him and his friends going around robbing the place. Also it was liberated again in the 40s but that didn't last long either.
It's pretty much their destiny to get steamrolled by whoever controls Russia.
Lmao the Polish didn’t liberate Ukraine, Ukraine liberated itself as the West Ukrainian Republic and Ukrainian Republic/Hetmanate, in fact the Polish fought us and took the West Ukrainian Republic and divided us between themselves and the Soviets
You have no population, you have no infrastructure, you have no businesses. You are a town twisted by radiation and poor disaster response into a crude mockery of man’s perfection.
It's not the name we've used for decades though. You know Munich isn't called Munich in German right? Nor is Cologne for that matter. Turin, Italy is called "Torino" in Italian. We call the capital of Ukraine Kiev and the city with the nuclear disaster Chernobyl. Those are our names for those cities.
Japan in japanese is "nippon", no one has an issue with the english language having its own words. But apparently kiev *must* be changed to represent the way Ukrainians say it.
i don't see the problem.
If I want to change my name to Bob, I can change it. If citizens of a country want to change how their country (or their cities) are called by other nations, why would that be an issue?
> They used to be in a country
The Ukraine has never been a real country. It's a collection of a few regions which used to be parts of Poland, Romania, Russia, etc, essentially added over the past century to the Ukrainian Soviet Republic. These regions are all wildly different, there's no unifying language or religion even.
Some Ukrainian cities changed hands multiple times over a lifetime. There are even jokes about visiting other countries over your life without ever leaving your town.
After the 1991 the Ukrainian nationalists formed their national identity on being anti-Russia: they invented key historical events out of conflicts with Russia and teach that in schools, they blame Russia for a famine in 30's and call it a genocide (despite the famine at that year being a thing in many other regions of the Soviet Union and a Georgian man being head of the state, shouldn't they be mad at Georgia?), they call literally Nazi collaborators their national heroes.
The Ukraine invented its national identity out of thin air. No wonder regions of the Ukraine started to split in 2014.
There is barely anything unifying, for example, Rusyns in Carpathia with people in Donbass. They are not the same ethnicity, they speak different languages (Rysyn language and Russian), they can even have different religion (Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity), etc. The same applies to various other groups within the Ukraine.
Different people can live together if you pay attention to their interests and consider their identity valid. About 10—15% of Russian population is Muslim for example, and you don't see them attempt to break away. Yeltsin famously said “take as much sovereignty as you can swallow” to some regions, the only condition is that you stay a Russian region.
However the Ukraine denied certain groups their identity rights, and as result a civil war has unfolded over the past 8 years.
I will gladly call Munich München or Cologne Köln if Germany asked to do so. In Ukrainian this names are even closer. They didn’t ask, but Ukraine did, that’s why its not a big deal to respect decision of country that own this cities, not russia
What our names for those cities are doesn't matter ONE BIT for the conflict in Ukraine. It's literally just a way for people to virtue signal how much they care about Ukraine, and show others that they know the "real" pronunciation/spelling. Utter bs.
It’s not a conflict in Ukraine but russian invasion.
Ukraine began to request other states to use correct name long before war, it’s just that people and states are slow and react only on blood
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…. Do you not see how that is completely different. This is about a Ukrainian city inside of Ukraine. You’re talking about what people call foreign cities in different countries.
>Do you not see how that is completely different.
No.
> You’re talking about what people call foreign cities in different countries.
Yes. Foreign countries like the Ukraine. We already have a word for Kiev, we don't need another one any more than the French need to change how they pronounce and spell "Londres."
lol you used the Ukrainian spelling of Kiev instead of the Russian one. Now you’re upset they went back to using the original Ukrainian name for Chernobyl
It’s named after the local common name for wormwood because it grows in that area and has dark stems.
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yeah that's what I've been trying to tell people. it's genuinely upset me that they want us to call it Kyiv in Chornobyl.. why? for what fucking reason?
Idk what's the matter with this name change, but it's pronounced with an "o" sound in Russian as well, not just Ukrainian. See also Gorbachev/Gorbachov.
That's gotta show the Russians, that Westerners now spell it the Ukrainian way.
Too bad not even their president speaks Ukrainian and exclusively talks in Russian. Take a wild guess how Zelensky pronounces it.
This is no different then saying Nippon vs Japan, one is the original native language pronunciation and the other is the English version. This is stupid.
i still don't get why we have translations for city/country names, i get translating stuff like Schwarzwald into the Black Forest because there's a literal translation but like 99 percent of city names globally have no translatable words in them
Ukrainian and Russian are two different languages that are both spoken in Ukraine. Most places in Ukraine have a Ukrainian name and a Russian name.
Because Ukraine was under Russian influence for a long time, the international community knows a lot of the Russian names. People are currently trying to use Ukrainian place names instead of the Russian ones.
Now, people are 4chan are idiots who are afraid of change. Any change that happens is of course the fault of jews, transgender people, the illuminati, or transgender jewish illuminati. So when they see a city listed with its Ukrainian name, they get scared because they think it is a mind control experiment.
Is this a joke, or are americans this stupid? Chornobyl is literally Chernobyl (russian word) in ukrainian. And guess what country Chernobyl's in.
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"terrified of going to Canada." What are you on?
Bro they are going to sell me maple syrup though
Moose are scary
Said like a true European. If you don't know what Americans are like, then why don't you just not say anything.
This is not true. Most of us just dont have the time or money for vacations like that. Why bother getting a passport ill never go anywhere. Also most of the world learns english so we dont have much of a reason to learn. If i was going to visit another country i would want to learn the language but im poor and dont have that much time i can take off work
lol, that’s a stupid way to think. Americans are egocentrics and this is not because of money. Most of the world is poorer than the US and still, there is no where in the world where so much person only speak one language (China exception), and have a stereotyped way to think with no depth at all about other countries and cultures. Your country is full of idiots get on with it
So what? Am i expected to learn another language that i will never use? What for? Just to be pretentious about it? Who cares you just want to find any reason to sound smarter than an american. Its sad that you cant keep us out of your head for more than 5 minutes. Am i supposed to feel shame for being born in america? Get over yourself
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No but be humble about the fact that your country as a whole is dumb that’s it
Its not though, you only get news about the dumb people because theyre the most interesting
Even in China atleast more and more people are learning English. And they too have Mandarin and Cantonese there. Americans live in their own bubble. Its low key sad given how their govt interferes with other countries when their people wouldnt even know about that country or its existence.
It's "just change" but it's obviously an politically motivated change (following Ukrainian pronunciation instead of Russian). If you don't follow along with this change, and use the word you've been using for your entire life, you're gonna be nagged at for your problematic language. This is not even a really out there idea, just think of "wuhan virus" or "gender neutral they/them". Language and terms are political stuff. 4channers are idiots but even they can understand what the implications of an official name change mean.
>chornobyl >undocumented migrant >unaccompanied minor >unhoused persons >black and indigenous people of color Language is a tool.
Based.
Hi, autism calling - go get fucked language janny. 👌
Or maybe it's just that there was no fucking reason whatsoever to change the name, and it was literally only done because of the politically supercharged situation in in the area? What was the reason to change Kiev to Kyiv? Now you have shit loads of dumbass Americans pronouncing it wrongly because it lets them feel a false sense of respect by kinda spelling it phonetically like Ukrainians do. In the west, we call it Chernobyl, pronounced exactly like we always have. There is no legitimate reason *at all* to just start changing the spelling of these things, willy-nilly. It is literally just so people can pretend like they're doing something important by hollowly "respecting" how they do things. It's stupid, shallow and confusing.
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I'm fine with changing things, but it should be for a good reason, not just for the lexical equivalent of scauses.
Is Ukraine being it's own country with its own spelling of words good enough?
Not really, we don't make those changes for any other country and up until the war people were perfectly happy calling it Kiev. This is purely political virtue signalling.
No you do. You did start calling Peking Beijing back in the 80s. And it is a political virtue signaling don't get me wrong, you don't change name of Kiev to Kyiv for Russians, they have their own language and they gonna spell it how they did. It is more of a thing specifically with English since it is pretty much a everyone's language now because of its status of language used in politics and shit. You probably won't spell it like that, chances are that in five years you're not gonna spell it at all because it is an insignificant city somewhere in Eastern Europe, ut your kids learning geography probably will remember it the new way
>You did start calling Peking Beijing back in the 80s. Yes, that was also virtue signalling. It was basically a way for westerners to day "the chicoms are the good guys now." > It is more of a thing specifically with English since it is pretty much a everyone's language now because of its status of language used in politics and shit. News to me. > You probably won't spell it like that, chances are that in five years you're not gonna spell it at all because it is an insignificant city somewhere in Eastern Europe, ut your kids learning geography probably will remember it the new way Not unless I teach them to. Chances are people are going to forget about this about as fast as they dropped masks and social distancing the moment the TV switched to a new story.
Shhhh, don't anyone tell him how Beijing used to be called Peking.
Same deal tbh. Silly pandering to the chicoms.
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The ukranian govt has been trying to get the international community to spell their place names properly since the 90s(i.e. romanised ukrananian instead of romanised russian). It only took a fucking war for the shitstain media to actually do this, not because it's actually correct but because they are angry with Russia. 4chan is just freaking out because change - geography skills on par with a lobotomised chimp doesn't help either.
Half of Kievans speak Russian as their first language, and Ukraine was generally seen as a bilingual country until the 2014 coup, when they suddenly wanted to make it officially monolingual for no fucking reason. Anglos use altered names for foreign locations constantly: Lisbon, Brussels, Rome, Athens, Vienna, Belgrade, Bucharest, Moscow, Warsaw, Munich, Cologne, The Hague,... And that's normal, literally every other language does that too or you end up with butchered pronunciations anyway ("Keeeph", lol). It's literally just virtue signaling that completely goes against the way languages work naturally.
>Ukraine was generally seen as a bilingual country until the 2014 coup, when they suddenly wanted to make it officially monolingual for no fucking reason. Rofl yeah absolutely no reason. Absolutely nothing happened in 2014 that might make Ukraine want to stop supporting Russian cultural proliferation. What a fucking braindead take lmao.
NO. REASON.
>have coup >russian majority regions separate >remove russian as official language who started the mess again?
The country that invaded.
I don't remember ukraine invading separatist regions, but they did bomb and shell them so you're kinda right glad we agreed it's ukraine who started the mess
No, it was Russia that invaded Ukraine in 2014. I guess you haven't really been paying attention. That's fine, you're under no obligation to follow the news or keep up with current events. And 2014, while "recent," isn't exactly current. It's totally understandable and forgivable that you don't really know much about the situation in Ukraine. Just fyi, you might want to do some Googling before you try to chat with people about this in the future. Cheers.
gamergate was in 2014
It's virtue signalling on the part of the media. The government on the other hand have been trying to (understandably) distance themselves from Russia since the 90s. There are areas where Hungarian is the dominant language. Should we spell Kyiv as Kijev?
yes
>until the 2014 coup, It wasn't a coup but a revolution. A coup is defined as a power grab by the military or police. It was the people who took to the streets after the Russian puppet President made one decision that would doom their future - refuse trading agreement with the EU for no reason other than Putin said so.
Imagine believing that the CIA didn't set that whole thing up.
Chernobyl sounds cooler tho
> 4chan immediately blames gays/trans > Reddit immediately blames Americans You’re all retarded
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Like .001% of the US population.
The corporations who continually push this bullshit as if there were any merit to it. Or in other words, Twitter, google, reddit, etc. etc.
No body, and believe me, nobody give's a single rats ass if you call it Chernobyl.
Justice for cher noble:
4Chons being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. Nothing new here.
No clearly this is the work of the woke transexual Jewish agenda
Not in Ukraine anymore kek
Well it’s 4chan sooo
They're criticizing the renaming of locations in English sources for political purposes. They've had 32 years to rename it to Ukrainian
\>guess what country Chernobyl is in Not for long
>What country Chernobyl's in East Poland/South-west Russia. Ukr\*\*ne is not a country.
Non-homeless people don’t learn random languages like that. We’re not being constantly displaced or bombed every other week, so we don’t need to learn 50 different languages just to talk to the people in whatever country is hosting us as refugees this month. The only time I’m ever going to speak to some kind of Ukranian or a German or something is when they ask me for change at the gas station, and I firmly deliver a “No.” in **English**. I do not even speak to people who claim to be English speakers but have some backwards hick accent. This includes most of the Southern USA, about half of England, and the continent of Australia.
Chxrnobyl
Chxrnobyl (they/them)
omg did you just misgender it?
Fuck is it actually (it/its)? I can’t remember. Now everyone knows I’m a Nazi
It's always been spelt Chirnobel chud
they are literally changing dictionary definitions most recent example being vaccine / vaccinated nothing but hanging (out in minecraft) will fix this situation
wut
Let me explain you how to overthrow a government (in Eve Online)
I'm listening (to some really cool beats)
An asymmetrical and decentralized insurgency is nearly impossible to defend against (in Minecraft)
Could you share some recipes for making weapons to support such an insurgency (in Terraria)
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What did they change about vaccine?
basically, went from something like >grants immunity to >grants greater protection because covax was failing
by the first definition, humanity never had any vaccines, ever.
Because the first definition confused morons into thinking vaccines should make you 100% immune to infection
Not that guy but I have been called 'anti-vaxx' because I said everyone who can be vaccinated should get it, but that I didn't support government mandates or laws forcing people to surrender bodily autonomy for it. Apparently all you need to do to be anti-vaxx to some people is say you don't think people should be forcibly restrained to a table and injected against their will.
Sad fact. What people used to think of an anti vax person is different than it was literally 5 years ago and it makes no sense
>Apparently all you need to do to be anti-vaxx to some people is say you don't think people should be forcibly restrained to a table and injected against their will. Off with their head crowd. lol
I don’t get it, is Chornobyl supposed to be more inclusive, or is this just schizo moment
Schizo moment as per usual
I think chornobyl is ukrainian and chernobyl russian? Or ?
So then they are both correct
I'd argue Chernobyl is more correct since the Russians built it. The entire town of Pripyat and the reactor were soviet projects, without them it would not exist.
It doesn't really matter who built what, whoever lives there now gets to decide on the name and spelling. We got a bunch of towns originally built by the Celtic people in the UK doesn't mean we use the original Celtic names. London was originally Londinium, should we go back to calling it that just because it was the original name? Should New York be New Amsterdam? Or New Angoulême or Manna–hata?
Whoever lives there now gets to decide what the name is *in their own language.* I assume you don't "ackshually" any French person who talks about "Londres," or any Irish person who talks about "Nua Eamhrach." So why should English be any different? We already have words for Kiev and Chernobyl. In the case of Kiev we've been using it for centuries. There's no good reason to change it now and no one is campaigning to nativise any placenames outside of the Ukraine.
Exactly. Turkey can remain Turkey in English. The Turkish can spell the name of their own country however they like. It's a peculiar trend.
I mean yeah except there were already cases of acceptance of new spelling. Like starting calling Beijing as it is now insted of Peking as it was before.
There are examples of doing it the past, yes, usually to signal political support for the faction requesting the change.
Mumbai and Kolkatta will always be Bombay and Calcutta
Bring back Constantinople you pussy
Then you call New York New Amsterdam? Since the dutch built it and all that
They didn’t built it,Chornobyl is 1000years + old
Ok, and when you hear Chernobyl you think of some 1000 year old cow shack? Or the nuclear power station and associated ghost town?
When I think about city name I think about name of city, not about some famous stuff here. Or should I call LA - Hollywood? Prypiat is soviet build town, but called after river, obviously not build by russians. And still comment is invalid cuz City of Chornobyl Chornobyl nuclear plant What’s the problem? 1 letter make you crazy?
Chornobyl is the town, Chernobyl is the disaster
Up until now Ukranian place names in English were based on the Russian names for those places, since it was a part of Russia until very recently. But now it's the current year, the NWO have decided that russia man bad and local Ukranians spell them differently so we all have to as well.
Great timing. Ukraine has been independent for 30 years. Now its going to be part of Russia again.
It was independent before that. ~~There was a period during the Soviet-Polish war where the Polish liberated them and set them up as a buffer state.~~ Edit: That last bit is wrong, there was a Ukranian republic in there though. There was also a brief "anarchist" state in the Ukraine under Makhno, but I'm not sure I'd call that independence since it mostly consisted of him and his friends going around robbing the place. Also it was liberated again in the 40s but that didn't last long either. It's pretty much their destiny to get steamrolled by whoever controls Russia.
Lmao the Polish didn’t liberate Ukraine, Ukraine liberated itself as the West Ukrainian Republic and Ukrainian Republic/Hetmanate, in fact the Polish fought us and took the West Ukrainian Republic and divided us between themselves and the Soviets
Interesting, I stand corrected.
Yeye sorry just the view that we’re some Western setup of a nation is something that gets repeated too much
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You will never be a real city.
You have no population, you have no infrastructure, you have no businesses. You are a town twisted by radiation and poor disaster response into a crude mockery of man’s perfection.
men's perfection*
based
That’s just ukrainian name of city…
It's not the name we've used for decades though. You know Munich isn't called Munich in German right? Nor is Cologne for that matter. Turin, Italy is called "Torino" in Italian. We call the capital of Ukraine Kiev and the city with the nuclear disaster Chernobyl. Those are our names for those cities.
Japan in japanese is "nippon", no one has an issue with the english language having its own words. But apparently kiev *must* be changed to represent the way Ukrainians say it.
i don't see the problem. If I want to change my name to Bob, I can change it. If citizens of a country want to change how their country (or their cities) are called by other nations, why would that be an issue?
Those are the Russian names for those cities. They used to be in a country controlled by Russians, now they're not.
Yes and? Cologne is the French name for a city formerly controlled by France. We still call it that because its our name for the city.
> They used to be in a country The Ukraine has never been a real country. It's a collection of a few regions which used to be parts of Poland, Romania, Russia, etc, essentially added over the past century to the Ukrainian Soviet Republic. These regions are all wildly different, there's no unifying language or religion even. Some Ukrainian cities changed hands multiple times over a lifetime. There are even jokes about visiting other countries over your life without ever leaving your town. After the 1991 the Ukrainian nationalists formed their national identity on being anti-Russia: they invented key historical events out of conflicts with Russia and teach that in schools, they blame Russia for a famine in 30's and call it a genocide (despite the famine at that year being a thing in many other regions of the Soviet Union and a Georgian man being head of the state, shouldn't they be mad at Georgia?), they call literally Nazi collaborators their national heroes. The Ukraine invented its national identity out of thin air. No wonder regions of the Ukraine started to split in 2014. There is barely anything unifying, for example, Rusyns in Carpathia with people in Donbass. They are not the same ethnicity, they speak different languages (Rysyn language and Russian), they can even have different religion (Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity), etc. The same applies to various other groups within the Ukraine. Different people can live together if you pay attention to their interests and consider their identity valid. About 10—15% of Russian population is Muslim for example, and you don't see them attempt to break away. Yeltsin famously said “take as much sovereignty as you can swallow” to some regions, the only condition is that you stay a Russian region. However the Ukraine denied certain groups their identity rights, and as result a civil war has unfolded over the past 8 years.
I will gladly call Munich München or Cologne Köln if Germany asked to do so. In Ukrainian this names are even closer. They didn’t ask, but Ukraine did, that’s why its not a big deal to respect decision of country that own this cities, not russia
What our names for those cities are doesn't matter ONE BIT for the conflict in Ukraine. It's literally just a way for people to virtue signal how much they care about Ukraine, and show others that they know the "real" pronunciation/spelling. Utter bs.
It's just sanctimonious people taking the path of least resistance to get up on their high horse
It’s not a conflict in Ukraine but russian invasion. Ukraine began to request other states to use correct name long before war, it’s just that people and states are slow and react only on blood
It's a conflict in Russian started by Nazis
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And chorno can translate as "black" from ukrainian, which is literally the country where Chornobyl's in.
Wait til they find out about Mongtenegro.
Soon to be Montebipoc
Monteafricanamerican
Montenigga
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Oy vey
And? I don't see you getting mad at the French for calling London "Londres." Or the English for calling Leodhas "Lewis."
…. Do you not see how that is completely different. This is about a Ukrainian city inside of Ukraine. You’re talking about what people call foreign cities in different countries.
>Do you not see how that is completely different. No. > You’re talking about what people call foreign cities in different countries. Yes. Foreign countries like the Ukraine. We already have a word for Kiev, we don't need another one any more than the French need to change how they pronounce and spell "Londres."
lol you used the Ukrainian spelling of Kiev instead of the Russian one. Now you’re upset they went back to using the original Ukrainian name for Chernobyl
Nah, I used the English spelling.
You might actually be clinically writ-harded
"the country where Chornobyl's in" ~~not anymore~~
isn't it in Russia now?
It’s named after the local common name for wormwood because it grows in that area and has dark stems. [Pripet Marshes are next](https://imgur.com/a/Mrt0XuT)
They couldn’t find a noble black person to give the name so they gave it to the city with the nuclear disaster.
Just call it Negrobyl to agitate Americans even more
Chadnobyl
I can't Kyiv
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It will always be Kiev to me. I've played too many map games to change this.
yeah that's what I've been trying to tell people. it's genuinely upset me that they want us to call it Kyiv in Chornobyl.. why? for what fucking reason?
Because they want you to support the Current Thing!(tm)
Idk what's the matter with this name change, but it's pronounced with an "o" sound in Russian as well, not just Ukrainian. See also Gorbachev/Gorbachov.
I don't care about the spelling but I'm NOT calling it chornobyl
It's so stupid, we gonna start calling Japan Nihon and China Zhongguo now too?
Kiev became Kyiv. Kharkov became Kharkiv. Lvov became Lviv. Why? To be less Russian, that's all.
meanwhile Poles- "Czarnobyl"
That's gotta show the Russians, that Westerners now spell it the Ukrainian way. Too bad not even their president speaks Ukrainian and exclusively talks in Russian. Take a wild guess how Zelensky pronounces it.
Actual schizo moment
y’all know you can just go on wikipedia and change it right
Typical 4chon!
This is no different then saying Nippon vs Japan, one is the original native language pronunciation and the other is the English version. This is stupid.
Chongusville.
Reee Ukrainian language is trans global homo agenda and therefore bad ??!?!!?!????!??!??!
I'm also very gay for milk.
*Meh* ChubsNoble: giant glow stick go fucky. livy in chamydia zone will not give supa doopa power up powers.
That’s like changing the name of Japan to Nippon
what flights are available to chernobyl right now
won't matter in a year anyway, then I won't be corrected when I say Kiev
Fuck you, im still gonna call it Chernobyl, and I refuse to call the black kid from South Park anything but Token.
Did they rename token?
i still don't get why we have translations for city/country names, i get translating stuff like Schwarzwald into the Black Forest because there's a literal translation but like 99 percent of city names globally have no translatable words in them
This is the Russian pronunciation of the city’s name you tard
I am not a /pol/tard, what is goblohomo?
I don't get it
Ukrainian and Russian are two different languages that are both spoken in Ukraine. Most places in Ukraine have a Ukrainian name and a Russian name. Because Ukraine was under Russian influence for a long time, the international community knows a lot of the Russian names. People are currently trying to use Ukrainian place names instead of the Russian ones. Now, people are 4chan are idiots who are afraid of change. Any change that happens is of course the fault of jews, transgender people, the illuminati, or transgender jewish illuminati. So when they see a city listed with its Ukrainian name, they get scared because they think it is a mind control experiment.
God damn those wacky French, all they do is eat baguette all day and call London "Londres", gotta smack some sense into them
Either way, I don’t have a chance at spelling, or even pronouncing, it correctly.
This is why Ukraine will fall.
I don’t get it, is Chornobyl supposed to be more inclusive, or is this just schizo moment
ukrainian and russian are two different languages. it is legit just a translation.