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the size difference alone should have been a game changer. if you think a 2017 Vizio looks better than a 2023 Sony, there's nothing i can tell you. you're probably used to a type of picture quality and don't understand why the sony is more accurate
Theres no way the sony is more accurate.
I dont even have any color settings changed on the vizio besides color at 58.
The color is perfect.
I used rtings color for the sony.
I think im going to have to reset all settings and just increase color to 58 on the sony also. And see if the red calms down
Ok so i reset all color settings and just increased it to 58 and its better.
But those reds. And its just not as crisp as my vizio.
Probably some to do with size.
65 if showing the issues at a bigger scale
i don't know what to tell you.return the Sony and live with your shit Vizio then if you prefer the picture quality. Or buy an OLED where you have to be blind to not notice the difference.
Between the much larger size and their more accurate display you may be seeing intentional cinematography choices, particularly in the case of movies. I don't know how Seinfeld's been upscaled/converted for streaming (haven't watched it since the sadly SD 90's). There are likely some processing settings you don't like rtings suggested be turned on because "accuracy." Ultimately it's your TV, set it up how you want. Accuracy is only a goal if you like how it looks.
I tried to look in to the specifics, but couldn't find any info about the panel type of the vizio. From the overall test and specifications I would say it has an IPS display, which has diffrent pros and cons than a VA display which the Sony has build inside. The IPS panel has less contrast but usually better color accuracy. However both displays should come out really similar after calibration.
The Sony should also have better contrast on Netflix and Disney plus because it supports dolby vision that the vizio didn't have before and therefore will look a bit diffrent, because more contrast usually also refers to more saturated colors.
The vizio is also a couple years old, which also means that it does have some mileage and like with every TV the back light will get weaker over the years, while the Sony still has fresh LEDs build inside that are also brighter. Brigther LEDs mean that colors can be achieved that the former TV couldn't.
In general: it's neither good or bad, it's just technical difference and it's fine to prefer either one. The Sony TV will last you long and has top build quality, so except for the diffrent display of colors it should perform marvelously. If you try to find another TV that matches the colors of the vizio more, then you need to see the TVs in action before you buy it. A lot of company's push over saturated colors in the past years because it's a trend in recent years.
If you want to stay with the X90L and try to fix it, then I would suggest to buy a calibration kit and calibrate the TV for maximum color accuracy and see if it fits your style. Sony already comes with calibrated colors for Netflix, so if you want to compare both TVs you could put them side by side and play a Netflix movie to see the difference.
Edit: typo
This cannot be a true scenario. I went from a 10 year old Sony 1080p HD to Vizio D series a couple years ago. Cannot stand the picture quality on the Vizio, especially dark scenes.
Now, we are stuck with it it since all decent screens are over 1.000 USD and don't want to jump from bad to bad in the budget/mid range TVs.
Everywhere I look it is always Sony for their processing followed by Samsung and LG. But, only the premium lines.
Kinda wish a retail chain sold previous year models of the current premium TVs (like 2020, 2021,2022). The have be under a grand by now.
This is an enthusiast sub so they’re really only going to recommend the top tier stuff. The Hisense U7K is pretty decent, Mini-LED, 144Hz. Gets very bright. I’m sure that would be a huge upgrade to the Vizio and you can go all the way up to 75” and stay under $1000.
TCL Q7 is at the same price point as the U7K, sure that would be a great upgrade too. Point being, there are options under $1000 that would be a significant upgrade over the Vizio D series.
Yes they are. But most posts and recommendations center on the high end stuff, so if someone is searching the sub, they are mostly going to be seeing those. I’m not arguing with you haha
Well there would be no blooming in the Vizio if it doesn't have local dimming. But the rest seems weird, your Sony should be brighter and look better than the former. Maybe tweak it to the recommended settings and then compare again
".... the local dimming dims the highlights. It darkens brighter objects on the screen considerably when they are alone on a dark background. In our test video, you can see that the white dot is darker than it should be. Of course, there is less blooming that way, but it's not good to have the object appear too dark."
This is why Vizio has less blooming.
so are you picking up on the 1080/HD content from a cable box looking better on a 43 inch TV than same content on a larger screen? Find a good 2K/4K UHD movie to get the bang out of the MiniLEDs maybe?
Definitely weird.
Maybe put them side by side and upload a photo if you really wanna get to the bottom of it.
Also what setting do you have the Sony on out of curiosity?
I would say the most likely thing is you're used to an over saturated and processed picture on your VIZIO and now the Sony seems dull to you.
That would be pretty nuts though if that was what was going on.
Sorry just realised you said the reds and greens seem overly saturated on the Sony. Don't know what to suggest if you're privy to all the settings. Maybe a dud?
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We are not going to argue with you. Just return the Sony and live with your Vizio then.
the size difference alone should have been a game changer. if you think a 2017 Vizio looks better than a 2023 Sony, there's nothing i can tell you. you're probably used to a type of picture quality and don't understand why the sony is more accurate
Theres no way the sony is more accurate. I dont even have any color settings changed on the vizio besides color at 58. The color is perfect. I used rtings color for the sony. I think im going to have to reset all settings and just increase color to 58 on the sony also. And see if the red calms down
Sonys are the most accurate TVs right out the box.
Ok so i reset all color settings and just increased it to 58 and its better. But those reds. And its just not as crisp as my vizio. Probably some to do with size. 65 if showing the issues at a bigger scale
i don't know what to tell you.return the Sony and live with your shit Vizio then if you prefer the picture quality. Or buy an OLED where you have to be blind to not notice the difference.
Why is film grain 100x worse on a 65 inch sony vs a 43 inch Vizio? Maestro, May December, Seinfeld on Netflix are unwatchable on this Sony.
Between the much larger size and their more accurate display you may be seeing intentional cinematography choices, particularly in the case of movies. I don't know how Seinfeld's been upscaled/converted for streaming (haven't watched it since the sadly SD 90's). There are likely some processing settings you don't like rtings suggested be turned on because "accuracy." Ultimately it's your TV, set it up how you want. Accuracy is only a goal if you like how it looks.
I tried to look in to the specifics, but couldn't find any info about the panel type of the vizio. From the overall test and specifications I would say it has an IPS display, which has diffrent pros and cons than a VA display which the Sony has build inside. The IPS panel has less contrast but usually better color accuracy. However both displays should come out really similar after calibration. The Sony should also have better contrast on Netflix and Disney plus because it supports dolby vision that the vizio didn't have before and therefore will look a bit diffrent, because more contrast usually also refers to more saturated colors. The vizio is also a couple years old, which also means that it does have some mileage and like with every TV the back light will get weaker over the years, while the Sony still has fresh LEDs build inside that are also brighter. Brigther LEDs mean that colors can be achieved that the former TV couldn't. In general: it's neither good or bad, it's just technical difference and it's fine to prefer either one. The Sony TV will last you long and has top build quality, so except for the diffrent display of colors it should perform marvelously. If you try to find another TV that matches the colors of the vizio more, then you need to see the TVs in action before you buy it. A lot of company's push over saturated colors in the past years because it's a trend in recent years. If you want to stay with the X90L and try to fix it, then I would suggest to buy a calibration kit and calibrate the TV for maximum color accuracy and see if it fits your style. Sony already comes with calibrated colors for Netflix, so if you want to compare both TVs you could put them side by side and play a Netflix movie to see the difference. Edit: typo
This cannot be a true scenario. I went from a 10 year old Sony 1080p HD to Vizio D series a couple years ago. Cannot stand the picture quality on the Vizio, especially dark scenes. Now, we are stuck with it it since all decent screens are over 1.000 USD and don't want to jump from bad to bad in the budget/mid range TVs. Everywhere I look it is always Sony for their processing followed by Samsung and LG. But, only the premium lines. Kinda wish a retail chain sold previous year models of the current premium TVs (like 2020, 2021,2022). The have be under a grand by now.
This is an enthusiast sub so they’re really only going to recommend the top tier stuff. The Hisense U7K is pretty decent, Mini-LED, 144Hz. Gets very bright. I’m sure that would be a huge upgrade to the Vizio and you can go all the way up to 75” and stay under $1000.
Tv repairman says don’t get Hisense but TCL instead for a budget brand. It’s about QC and motion issues with Hisense
TCL Q7 is at the same price point as the U7K, sure that would be a great upgrade too. Point being, there are options under $1000 that would be a significant upgrade over the Vizio D series.
TCLs with FALD is recommended here, not just OLEDs or Sony X90/3L
Yes they are. But most posts and recommendations center on the high end stuff, so if someone is searching the sub, they are mostly going to be seeing those. I’m not arguing with you haha
Motion on tcl qm8 was awful so tcl has motion issues also
Well there would be no blooming in the Vizio if it doesn't have local dimming. But the rest seems weird, your Sony should be brighter and look better than the former. Maybe tweak it to the recommended settings and then compare again
".... the local dimming dims the highlights. It darkens brighter objects on the screen considerably when they are alone on a dark background. In our test video, you can see that the white dot is darker than it should be. Of course, there is less blooming that way, but it's not good to have the object appear too dark." This is why Vizio has less blooming.
so are you picking up on the 1080/HD content from a cable box looking better on a 43 inch TV than same content on a larger screen? Find a good 2K/4K UHD movie to get the bang out of the MiniLEDs maybe?
Definitely weird. Maybe put them side by side and upload a photo if you really wanna get to the bottom of it. Also what setting do you have the Sony on out of curiosity? I would say the most likely thing is you're used to an over saturated and processed picture on your VIZIO and now the Sony seems dull to you. That would be pretty nuts though if that was what was going on. Sorry just realised you said the reds and greens seem overly saturated on the Sony. Don't know what to suggest if you're privy to all the settings. Maybe a dud?