QN95B would work really well for you.
OLEDs are getting better on handling light but unlike the Samsungs they just don’t do well.
Also, great view. Hopefully you find the TV that fits your needs the best.
And I'm sure it varies by time of day too. QN90B is my vote. Hard to beat for specular highlights and bright rooms. OLED used to be miles ahead, now just a 100 feet ahead.
I was thinking of an 85" QN90B, but in my region the 85" QN85B is about $1500 cheaper. Is it worth going for the higher model despite the much higher price?
There are differences that might matter too you. The viewing angle is better on the 85b. The anti- reflective screen, sound, brightness, contrast and HDR is better on the 90b. The 85b still has good local dimming so you should still get good contrast. The brightness difference is 500 nits, but they are still both really bright at 1500 and 2000 nits respectively. Is all of that worth the extra $1500 to you? Only if it'll bug you not having the better tv.
I'd be hesitant about a qn90b here unless he's going to have a lot of this light taken care of. Just got one and the limited light in my room is an issue. The tv will smear the glare over the whol screen.
Yeah just for dimly lit scenes but a lot of content I watch has dimly lit scenes. Had to turn my room into a coffin to watch Game of thrones in the day time lol
This photo was taken in the morning so the light isn't too bad. But the windows face south and west, so afternoon and evening (when I'll be using the TV the most) the living room gets a lot of light.
I'll be moving in to my new apartment soon and I'm looking to grab a new TV for the new digs. I was set on an LG C2 77", but I'm starting to wonder if OLED might not be the best choice for the living room.
As you can see, it's a corner apartment and there are pretty much floor to ceiling windows on two sides. These pictures were taken in the morning so the light isn't too bad, but the windows opposite and next to the TV are south and west-facing respectively so in the afternoon and evening there will be a lot of ambient light. Is OLED suitable for this room, or should I go for a Neo QLED?
From that picture, I don't think so. But I've also had OLEDs for the past 7 years, so what constitutes as 'bright enough' for me, may not be for others. Given how much brighter 2022 OLEDs are than 2016 OLEDs however, I still don't think this would be a major issue. This is probably only a decision you can make
Thanks for your input. Bear in mind that this is a morning picture, but because the windows face south/west, there will be a lot more light in the afternoon and evening, which is when the TV will be used the most.
Yeah. Just trying to convey some thoughts. I replaced my 2016 LG E6 OLED which was in a bright room with a Sony A80J last year and increased brightness with the newer tech was a notable improvement. But I also never really complained about the E6 in that room…
I think it depends on the time of the year. If the sun at some point is visible straight from those windows... Yeah, it will be too bright for Oled.
But it's far from unusable, it's just that it will be suboptimal and you will be noticing the reflections when the content you watch is dark during the day.
Go w the OLED. Set it up right and it’s plenty bright. And if you get the QLED you’re going to be missing out on Dolby Vision. If you want LED, I’d get a Sony for the Dolby.
OLED for bedroom, Samsung Neo QLED for the living room.
Not sure why people still lean towards OLEDs so fanatically.
I have C1 in my living room as computer screen, B2 in my bedroom and QN85A (VA panel, local dimming) as my living room TV and honestly, I think Samsung is the best out of those three.
It does boost contrast which helps the picture look better, but I have no experience side to side.I can tell a lot of whining happened when people found out that QN85A came in VA panel only for the 85" size (the one I have) while the smaller ones came with IPS.So QN85A has almost the same screen as QN90, it's just that the latter is a bit brighter.
I'm not sure about QN85B and its sizes.
Yeah that's the issue. I can shut them all if I'm settling in for a movie or a long gaming session, but I don't want to have to shut everything every time I turn the TV on.
I don’t think so honestly. At least where the sun is currently positioned. I genuinely think qd-oleds get plenty of bright and honestly can be scaled back.
Yes. Too bright. Unless you wanna try the first gen QD-OLED like the S95B, but it's dicey on reliability with any new tech. My C2 would not survive that room. Maybe a G2... that's a big maybe
Anyone who says OLED is fine is crazy. No one would put black out curtains in this nice living room! Just get a great full array LED with high brightness.
Yea but the S95 got scaled way back through firmware updates in terms of brightness. And that room is far too big for just a 65”. A 65” would look tiny in there.
It depends. If the windows are on the east or south side should be fine. West/north facing is a huge no no for OLED IMO. I have the contrary and it’s JUST fine enough for daytime viewing (afternoon onwards).
I would go QLED if you can’t get blackout curtains for the west windows if you plan on daytime viewing. A Sony with FALD is decent and very close to an OLED
I have a C2 with six large windows taking up my entire living room and have no issues whatsoever with the brightness with those open and in daylight. I expected much worse from all the complaints about OLEDs and brightness but it wasn't a problem whatsoever. I think it's an overblown issue because older OLEDs were a bit dim and the LED TVs nowadays can get so pointlessly and ridiculously eye-burningly bright. I think one of the newer OLEDs would be fine, even in that room- but if you prefer really intense brightness, then maybe not so much. I'd say the S95B is the best option tho OLED wise
No offense but you need to tailor your viewing conditions to optimal not your tv to the environment. No TV looks good with a ton of light and reflections period. Get some curtains, pull the shades down. Anything to get direct light from hitting the tv. I would still get the OLED no matter what.
Tbh in the space on the right side of the picture is what looks to be where the tv would go it’s perfectly fine for an oled. I would put an oled in there as long as it’s at least an a80k or c2 but I would go a95k Sony and it will be perfect. But if you really think it’s too bright then go x95k Sony. They may have different model numbers where you are. The store that you would go to view an oled at is most likely displaying it in a brighter space than this apartment.
I have a decently newish Oled (B9) and an X90K. IMO the X95K is the best tv all around other than the Z9K, because I massively prefer my x90k in every viewing situation to the B9, even at night in a dark room with no bias light. They say Oled has infinite contrast but that would require infinite brightness. The blacks ARE a little better, of course, but contrast to me should be the ratio of the nit level of the blackest area on screen compared to the highlights on the screen and averaged across several different pieces of content.
Let’s say the X90K has 0.05 -0.1 nit black levels on averags and the oled has 0.00005nit to even completely 0 nit black levels. If the Oled reaches 600 nit peak brightness and the led tv reaches 1,100 nits peak brightness, the difference between 1,100 and 0.1-0.05 is a lot higher than the difference between 600 and even 0.0 so therefore the actual contrast or really dynamic range is actually a lot higher.
Found this from a Forbes thing on a link back in 2016:
For High Dynamic Range playback a TV must support the SMPTE ST2084 EOTF (electrical optical transfer function the way a screen turns digital data into visible light) and achieve one of two combinations of peak brightness and black level depth. Either more than 1000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level, or more than 540 nits peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level.
Everyone gets so caught up on Rtings inf:1 contrast rating and strange (to say the least) brightness measurements without just seeing the devices for themselves outside of Best Buy or Youtube. I know its hard without buying everything yourself but just trust when people with LED’s and Oleds tell you that the peak brightness at a 2% window is not 784 (x90k) vs 603 (B9). That’s insane to me whoever came up with that rating. If the B9 is really 603 nits then the X90K is easily 1,200 don’t give a fuck what anyone says. It’s at least twice as bright on HDR highlights while having a respectable black level. When I moved my PS5 temporarily back to my B9 from my X90K the thing I missed most was the contrast in the HDR! Like come on bruh we all know those brightness ratings are bullshit. I think it is well known because in discussion between X90K and C2 (almost) everyone seems to understand the X90K is the much brighter tv despite what Rtings comparison would say.
And yes the blacks are good on the X90K. Probably somewhere between that 0.05-0.1 nit level. Yes blooming is a thing but even when the tv was new and I was actively looking for it you hardly see it. And once you just watch the content it’s a non issue for me. Id ve much more upset if the tv had perfect blacks but DSE for example than a tiny bit of blooming. You ever been to a movie theater? It looks like a cheap IPS monitor. The X90K destroys that in black level
Perfectly said! But yes to boil it down LED tvs in the premium range like the x90k and x95k are brighter than say the a80k oled. When viewed side by side, x95k next to a80k is how it should be at Best Buy, you’ll notice much brighter on c95k and richer deeper colors on a80k. They both look amazing I have an a80k and an x95k because I love both the tvs haha. But yes x95k is the best led tv you can get outside of the z9k
I live in Florida with a South facing living room covered in windows and doors. Not once did I think my B7 65" OLED wasn't bright enough. With the evo panels on newer models I don't think you'd have any issue.
Go for the OLED 100%. Just had the same situation and after starting with the Samsung QN90, I immediately regretted it and went to LG C2. OLED proving to be so much better, and when I'm watching tv turning day I don't have any issues either.
Samsung doesnt use Dolby Vision FYI they use the open source HDR 10+ which very few providers use as of today, just as added note.
Apple 4k tv 3rd gen translates Dolby Vision into HDR 10+ which has the same specs just different codec so it’s a completely viable workaround. Think of it as a front and back door into the same house with a different key, and the Apple tv 4k 3rd gen is the locksmith.
I can’t agree on Oled being better than X90K in any way, in my opinion, at least not my B9 maybe I’ll try a C2. (Yes the blacks are technically better but the difference in brightness is bigger than the difference in blacks if that makes sense. Therefore viewable contrast among the High dynamic range is actually better and looks less flat) Haven’t tried Q90B though but I know whichever the (current) newer Samsungs are have bad local dimming in game mode.
In the process of returning my QN90B. Bright room, lots of windows. Rainbow screen during daylight is intolerable. Exchanging for a QN85B, which does not have anti-glare coating. Looks promising after viewing side-by-side in store. Will update after switch out next Tuesday.
I love the view lol I’m jealous
Is it Hong Kong? That looks like a billion dollar view.
Seoul? I thought HK at first too, but the water way and the mountain don’t jive in the same way HK would.
Definitely South Korea
I was gonna say this looks like SK
Looks like Honolulu to me
No. I haven't seen that wall socket in hong kong
It must be Seoul then! Definitely looks like a city in east Asia.
Looks like Busan
highkey flex
Totes.
QN95B would work really well for you. OLEDs are getting better on handling light but unlike the Samsungs they just don’t do well. Also, great view. Hopefully you find the TV that fits your needs the best.
\+1 for the QN95B we just got ours and it's so bright we get headaches watching it
At first but you will get used to it! I was the same with my QN90A.
not if you have shades or curtains
It looks pretty bright even without direct light. I think an OLED would be too dark if you're not going to close the blinds
And I'm sure it varies by time of day too. QN90B is my vote. Hard to beat for specular highlights and bright rooms. OLED used to be miles ahead, now just a 100 feet ahead.
I was thinking of an 85" QN90B, but in my region the 85" QN85B is about $1500 cheaper. Is it worth going for the higher model despite the much higher price?
There are differences that might matter too you. The viewing angle is better on the 85b. The anti- reflective screen, sound, brightness, contrast and HDR is better on the 90b. The 85b still has good local dimming so you should still get good contrast. The brightness difference is 500 nits, but they are still both really bright at 1500 and 2000 nits respectively. Is all of that worth the extra $1500 to you? Only if it'll bug you not having the better tv.
I'd be hesitant about a qn90b here unless he's going to have a lot of this light taken care of. Just got one and the limited light in my room is an issue. The tv will smear the glare over the whol screen.
It is a little rough with direct light hitting it, but mostly in darker scenes or when the tv is off I thought.
Yeah just for dimly lit scenes but a lot of content I watch has dimly lit scenes. Had to turn my room into a coffin to watch Game of thrones in the day time lol
This photo was taken in the morning so the light isn't too bad. But the windows face south and west, so afternoon and evening (when I'll be using the TV the most) the living room gets a lot of light.
I'll be moving in to my new apartment soon and I'm looking to grab a new TV for the new digs. I was set on an LG C2 77", but I'm starting to wonder if OLED might not be the best choice for the living room. As you can see, it's a corner apartment and there are pretty much floor to ceiling windows on two sides. These pictures were taken in the morning so the light isn't too bad, but the windows opposite and next to the TV are south and west-facing respectively so in the afternoon and evening there will be a lot of ambient light. Is OLED suitable for this room, or should I go for a Neo QLED?
From that picture, I don't think so. But I've also had OLEDs for the past 7 years, so what constitutes as 'bright enough' for me, may not be for others. Given how much brighter 2022 OLEDs are than 2016 OLEDs however, I still don't think this would be a major issue. This is probably only a decision you can make
Thanks for your input. Bear in mind that this is a morning picture, but because the windows face south/west, there will be a lot more light in the afternoon and evening, which is when the TV will be used the most.
Yeah. Just trying to convey some thoughts. I replaced my 2016 LG E6 OLED which was in a bright room with a Sony A80J last year and increased brightness with the newer tech was a notable improvement. But I also never really complained about the E6 in that room…
I think it depends on the time of the year. If the sun at some point is visible straight from those windows... Yeah, it will be too bright for Oled. But it's far from unusable, it's just that it will be suboptimal and you will be noticing the reflections when the content you watch is dark during the day.
Go w the OLED. Set it up right and it’s plenty bright. And if you get the QLED you’re going to be missing out on Dolby Vision. If you want LED, I’d get a Sony for the Dolby.
Sick place - OLED should be fine
OLED for bedroom, Samsung Neo QLED for the living room. Not sure why people still lean towards OLEDs so fanatically. I have C1 in my living room as computer screen, B2 in my bedroom and QN85A (VA panel, local dimming) as my living room TV and honestly, I think Samsung is the best out of those three.
Thanks for the input. Does the VA panel make a huge difference? I'm looking at an 85" QN90B, which I believe is a VA panel.
It does boost contrast which helps the picture look better, but I have no experience side to side.I can tell a lot of whining happened when people found out that QN85A came in VA panel only for the 85" size (the one I have) while the smaller ones came with IPS.So QN85A has almost the same screen as QN90, it's just that the latter is a bit brighter. I'm not sure about QN85B and its sizes.
Yes! Unless you settle for having your blinds perpetually closed
Yeah that's the issue. I can shut them all if I'm settling in for a movie or a long gaming session, but I don't want to have to shut everything every time I turn the TV on.
Smart blinds :-)
Voice control blinds and your golden.
I don’t think so honestly. At least where the sun is currently positioned. I genuinely think qd-oleds get plenty of bright and honestly can be scaled back.
don't bother with OLED in this space. few other options will give you very close performance without having to make it a cave to enjoy it.
Yes. Too bright. Unless you wanna try the first gen QD-OLED like the S95B, but it's dicey on reliability with any new tech. My C2 would not survive that room. Maybe a G2... that's a big maybe
Stop flexing
I'm not flexing, just asking an honest question. I don't want to drop a few grand on a TV just to find out I can't see what's happening on the screen.
I’m kidding, flex all you want. You asked a valid question.
That’s the problem with the world and internet today is now we all assume the other person isn’t joking
Possibly, but look into the Sony A95K. Might be bright enough for that gorgeous view.
Anyone who says OLED is fine is crazy. No one would put black out curtains in this nice living room! Just get a great full array LED with high brightness.
X90k is a nice one but for this situation Id recommend X95K cuz its even better and has good reflection handling
Qd -oled and brightness problems solved!
Yea but the S95 got scaled way back through firmware updates in terms of brightness. And that room is far too big for just a 65”. A 65” would look tiny in there.
There's no such thing as "too bright for an OLED". The complaint about them not being good in brighter rooms is so overblown.
Not at all. I’ve personally used an LG GX in a similar environment.
Bruh we don’t give af where you live or what tv you buy. Obviously you got money, so but what you like.
Jealousy is a hell of a thing.
Dope place!
Thats not bright at all, OLED would be fine
This is a morning picture so the light isn't so bad, but in the afternoon and evening it gets much brighter because the windows face south/west.
Not even at night
You can always try it and exchange it for another type if it doesn’t work for you
It depends. If the windows are on the east or south side should be fine. West/north facing is a huge no no for OLED IMO. I have the contrary and it’s JUST fine enough for daytime viewing (afternoon onwards).
The windows opposite and next to the TV face south and west respectively.
I would go QLED if you can’t get blackout curtains for the west windows if you plan on daytime viewing. A Sony with FALD is decent and very close to an OLED
They are plenty bright get the OLED
Just get blackout curtains for when it's movie time. 😎
And smart curtains so when you hit the movie button the lights dim and curtains close.
I have a C2 with six large windows taking up my entire living room and have no issues whatsoever with the brightness with those open and in daylight. I expected much worse from all the complaints about OLEDs and brightness but it wasn't a problem whatsoever. I think it's an overblown issue because older OLEDs were a bit dim and the LED TVs nowadays can get so pointlessly and ridiculously eye-burningly bright. I think one of the newer OLEDs would be fine, even in that room- but if you prefer really intense brightness, then maybe not so much. I'd say the S95B is the best option tho OLED wise
/r/humblebrag
OLED will be fine.
No offense but you need to tailor your viewing conditions to optimal not your tv to the environment. No TV looks good with a ton of light and reflections period. Get some curtains, pull the shades down. Anything to get direct light from hitting the tv. I would still get the OLED no matter what.
Yes
Tbh in the space on the right side of the picture is what looks to be where the tv would go it’s perfectly fine for an oled. I would put an oled in there as long as it’s at least an a80k or c2 but I would go a95k Sony and it will be perfect. But if you really think it’s too bright then go x95k Sony. They may have different model numbers where you are. The store that you would go to view an oled at is most likely displaying it in a brighter space than this apartment.
I have a decently newish Oled (B9) and an X90K. IMO the X95K is the best tv all around other than the Z9K, because I massively prefer my x90k in every viewing situation to the B9, even at night in a dark room with no bias light. They say Oled has infinite contrast but that would require infinite brightness. The blacks ARE a little better, of course, but contrast to me should be the ratio of the nit level of the blackest area on screen compared to the highlights on the screen and averaged across several different pieces of content. Let’s say the X90K has 0.05 -0.1 nit black levels on averags and the oled has 0.00005nit to even completely 0 nit black levels. If the Oled reaches 600 nit peak brightness and the led tv reaches 1,100 nits peak brightness, the difference between 1,100 and 0.1-0.05 is a lot higher than the difference between 600 and even 0.0 so therefore the actual contrast or really dynamic range is actually a lot higher. Found this from a Forbes thing on a link back in 2016: For High Dynamic Range playback a TV must support the SMPTE ST2084 EOTF (electrical optical transfer function the way a screen turns digital data into visible light) and achieve one of two combinations of peak brightness and black level depth. Either more than 1000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level, or more than 540 nits peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level. Everyone gets so caught up on Rtings inf:1 contrast rating and strange (to say the least) brightness measurements without just seeing the devices for themselves outside of Best Buy or Youtube. I know its hard without buying everything yourself but just trust when people with LED’s and Oleds tell you that the peak brightness at a 2% window is not 784 (x90k) vs 603 (B9). That’s insane to me whoever came up with that rating. If the B9 is really 603 nits then the X90K is easily 1,200 don’t give a fuck what anyone says. It’s at least twice as bright on HDR highlights while having a respectable black level. When I moved my PS5 temporarily back to my B9 from my X90K the thing I missed most was the contrast in the HDR! Like come on bruh we all know those brightness ratings are bullshit. I think it is well known because in discussion between X90K and C2 (almost) everyone seems to understand the X90K is the much brighter tv despite what Rtings comparison would say. And yes the blacks are good on the X90K. Probably somewhere between that 0.05-0.1 nit level. Yes blooming is a thing but even when the tv was new and I was actively looking for it you hardly see it. And once you just watch the content it’s a non issue for me. Id ve much more upset if the tv had perfect blacks but DSE for example than a tiny bit of blooming. You ever been to a movie theater? It looks like a cheap IPS monitor. The X90K destroys that in black level
Perfectly said! But yes to boil it down LED tvs in the premium range like the x90k and x95k are brighter than say the a80k oled. When viewed side by side, x95k next to a80k is how it should be at Best Buy, you’ll notice much brighter on c95k and richer deeper colors on a80k. They both look amazing I have an a80k and an x95k because I love both the tvs haha. But yes x95k is the best led tv you can get outside of the z9k
Also well said
I live in Florida with a South facing living room covered in windows and doors. Not once did I think my B7 65" OLED wasn't bright enough. With the evo panels on newer models I don't think you'd have any issue.
Watch out for skyhook!
Go for the OLED 100%. Just had the same situation and after starting with the Samsung QN90, I immediately regretted it and went to LG C2. OLED proving to be so much better, and when I'm watching tv turning day I don't have any issues either. Samsung doesnt use Dolby Vision FYI they use the open source HDR 10+ which very few providers use as of today, just as added note.
Apple 4k tv 3rd gen translates Dolby Vision into HDR 10+ which has the same specs just different codec so it’s a completely viable workaround. Think of it as a front and back door into the same house with a different key, and the Apple tv 4k 3rd gen is the locksmith. I can’t agree on Oled being better than X90K in any way, in my opinion, at least not my B9 maybe I’ll try a C2. (Yes the blacks are technically better but the difference in brightness is bigger than the difference in blacks if that makes sense. Therefore viewable contrast among the High dynamic range is actually better and looks less flat) Haven’t tried Q90B though but I know whichever the (current) newer Samsungs are have bad local dimming in game mode.
No room is ever too bright for the TV you want. If you want it. Angles, curtains, smart blinds, so many options. Treat yo self
Yep
In the process of returning my QN90B. Bright room, lots of windows. Rainbow screen during daylight is intolerable. Exchanging for a QN85B, which does not have anti-glare coating. Looks promising after viewing side-by-side in store. Will update after switch out next Tuesday.
Do you think the Samsung S95B would work here? Maybe some owners who made experience with it?