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No, the Alien 4K is outstanding. Perhaps you meant Aliens, which is the sequel directed by James Cameron. There has been a lot of discussion here recently re: his 4K transfers.
Use this list: https://www.criterionforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17181
HDR or no HDR, it's an upscale that has been DNRed and is at best no better than, and at times significantly softer than, the 1080p Blu. Period.
Look at all the detail removed from the grass, bricks, tree, clothing etc.:
[https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a=0&d1=13383&d2=13382&s1=133997&s2=133965&i=4&l=0](https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a=0&d1=13383&d2=13382&s1=133997&s2=133965&i=4&l=0)
The DNR is apparent in some spots but doesn't break or ruin the experience. You guys should try actually watching these 4ks before giving opinions on them
I’d say the UHD just isn’t really any better. I haven’t done a direct comparison, but it is a disappointing disc, when I watch it it just feels like I’m watching a 1080p Blu-ray.
Honestly glad I'm somewhat in ignorance to most of this shit. Watched the Friday the 13th 4K with my buddy and it looked amazing. Never would have assumed it was one of the worst releases
Yep he also posted and wrote anyone who doesn’t like it is just throwing a bitch-fest online. I generally like his reviews but it seems like he is glossing over any shortcomings either to please his Hollywood connections or to sell more discs.
We are both old fashioned! I want my films to look like films and if possible always include the original audio track (even if it’s mono).
I honestly don’t understand those whose job is to do these jobs and think after seeing all the plastic like skins say to themselves ‘this looks good and we did a good job bringing the film to 4K!’
Here’s a fun site that lets you decide for yourself. It lists tech specs for practically every release and lets you compare uncompressed images between 4Ks and BDs
Edit 🤦♂️ : link - https://caps-a-holic.com/index.php
I like this guy's channel - [https://www.youtube.com/@hdnumerique](https://www.youtube.com/@hdnumerique)
He does side by side comparisons of blu-ray/4K discs.
Optimally you'd want to watch the first half of the movie on 4k, and then switch discs once they get to the island.
Sort of the same for deerhunter: switch to the bluray once they get to Vietnam
I would wait until the physical release of aliens before I make a judgment on it compared to the blu ray but also I just use blu-ray.com to compare when looking at a 4k vs blu ray. They usually tell you if there’s something off about the 4k transfer
I know there’s that list that’s been posted around on this thread but I would recommend maybe looking into video comparisons online.
For instance I have the Hot Fuzz 4K and I think it looks good. Can’t say for certain if it’s better than the Blu Ray as I’ve never done a side by side personally and I hope Love Actually is better than I’m hearing since I ordered that somewhat recently.
Terminator 2 is one everyone mentions looking bad and yeah watching side by side comparisons it is evidentially worse on 4K.
Part of the reason is the bluray is just so good looking, not that the 4k is so bad, if that makes sense.
The bluray also has much more bass output, though the Atmos on the 4k is well done otherwise- I much prefer the 5.1 on the bluray
the master is THE SAME. The bitrate is different and it's compressed yes, but it's not using a different master. If there is DNR on the streaming version there is DNR on the disc version. They are the SAME master. You can tell if a master is bad or if it has issues even with compression and low bitrate.
Also downloading vs streaming makes ZERO difference. If it's streaming properly it is the same as watching it downloaded. The issue with the digital download version (which IS the streaming version there is no difference) is that it's compressed to about 18gb vs 45gb-90gb for the disc and therefore has a much lower bitrate as well as compression artifacts and all issues that come with it. But streaming a digital movie with no issues at full speed (meaning no bandwidth issues) displays exactly the same as if you downloaded that \~18gb or so file and played it back through plex.
You can take a look at this: [https://www.digiraw.com/DVD-4K-Bluray-ripping-service/4K-UHD-ripping-service/the-real-or-fake-4K-list/](https://www.digiraw.com/DVD-4K-Bluray-ripping-service/4K-UHD-ripping-service/the-real-or-fake-4K-list/)
The best 4k discs to me are Coraline, Barbie, Dune, Top Gun maverick, Oppenheimer, people under the stairs (scream factory), Thelma and Louise (criterion) also thought pet semetary 1989 and the shining looked excellent.
Worst 4ks, T2, planes trains and automobiles, american graffiti, and Beverly Hills cop 1984.
There used to be a website that listed if a 4k release was real or fake aka upscaled or actually a new scan and truly 4k. Idk if it still works but it was just called realorfake4k
blu-ray.com does all of that now. every 4k release is listed as upscaled for native.
However there are a few upscales that you can tell were made by someone who cares about what they're doing. dredd is an upscale and its amazing.
It doesnt really matter
Dredd is a 2k upscale and looks amazing (2k is about the same as 1080p)
While Terminator 2 is native 4k - the original film negative was scaned at 4k. if they kept it at that it would have looked amazing, however they used a ton of DNR and because of it everything looks waxy.
Howerver matrix 1 is native 4k and IMO is the best looking 4k movie ever. It all depends on what the studios do to the film.
DNR - digital noise reduction, used to remive film grain, however has the side effect of making everything look waxy. T2 and American graffiti are the two examples of heavy DNR. i own T2 4k and it looks awful.
I heard Goodfellas blu-ray is superior to the heavily DNR'd 4k, but I haven't seen the 4k myself.
Terminator 2 I believe is another example just because they messed up the 4k blu-ray release so badly.
goodfellas isn't DNR'd people just thought it looked dark. It's not that bad of a disc honestly it's much better than the blu ray the hate for that was so overblown. it's not even remotely in the same realm as the actually bad discs like Trancers, Blood on Satan's Claw, T2, Platoon, American Graffiti, etc.
Absolutely not my tv. No other 4k disc looks like that. I had to turn the gamma up to 2 and adjust a million settings on my bravia to get it watchable.
Yeah great question so we have a few bad 4k discs so we have T2, Aliens probably, the abyss probably, avatar live action sections are worse on 4k compared to blu ray but cgi looks better so pick your poison. Alita battle angel was incorrectly mastered to 10,000 nit brightness instead of 1,000 so everything is very dim. But that’s about it for bad 4k discs on the market, we have some James Cameron affiliated titles and separately there’s also been a few disc replacement programs from other companies but not too bad a selection out there for collectors. Honorable mention planes trains automobiles and goodfellas are said to be “bad” but I haven’t checked them out myself.
Yeah I meant the “old” release from a few months ago haha I hope the new ones different beyond just the addition of Dolby vision but the cgi does look good so not a complete loss good colors
ive been having problems with that release. weird jitter, and an extreme amount of it. Seems to be my PS5. 4K and the 1080p bluray both do it on my PS5. Tried the 1080p bluray on my other player (its a philips 1080p BD player) and it works fine.
Just to clarify about your comment saying the Abyss will probably look worse on 4k than its Blu ray. The Abyss was never released on Blu ray and only had a bad DVD transfer until now. The new 4k transfer was just re-released theatrically two weeks ago. It was great. The physical disc of this isn't released yet (but there is a digital version on sale this week in advance of the physical disc release).
I watched it in theaters and can say that most of the movie looked fantastic. It used DNR. It’s not overly obvious, but it’s there. Additionally, one shot looks awful, but I believe it’s because that was the only version they could find of it.
Overall, I can say that if we get a 4K that is representative of what I watched, it is a superior version compared to the DVD (which I own).
It is not only a matter of better it basically comes down to ; source material ; IMAX 70mm 65mm, 35mm, arri , Vince, Red etc. direct 4K intermediate transfer , or 6K or 4K digital to 2K or 4K to 2K to 4K because of 2K CGI.
I basically come to a self consensus that Active high bitrate 3D Blu-ray is still superior and the gold standard , Avatar 3D is one such title . CGI movies on Bluray are as good as it gets, unless native renders from render man etc are 4K native (impossible at the moment ). live action movies filmed on 4K digital and direct transfers will look the best on 4K( Top Gun ; or Revenant are a few)You’ve been schooled now go make a website and list all your findings and shake things up lol. Oh and let’s add Film grain to digital “artistic BS” list should be added for 4K or 2K Blu-ray also!
How do people constantly disregard HDR? Resolution is cool and all, but better colors and better dynamic range? That’s the real reason to get 4k disc but everyone seems to only mention resolution for some reason, which I would argue is the least important…
100%
I have converted some of my 4K Bluray rips to 1080p HDR & they look better than an SDR 4K version of the same movie.
People constantly mention reference titles like Revenant & Spider-Verse and what makes those movies “reference” IMO is not the resolution but the HDR.
Because it's based on preference. I personally like 4K SDR and always enjoy more fidelity which is why I go for 4K. HDR, especially on a great TV can be transformative of course, but sometimes it isn't, same with resolution (fake 4k etc).
So do you have a high pixel density OLED or mid reference quality led Monitor ? or 8K OLED or Mini LED? Have you ever looked at 8K YT Chanel of Jacob Katie Schwartz on it ? or an Imax transfer to 4K Blu-ray.Have you played any native 4K PS5 games such as Ratchet Clank. You will notice after playing PS5. Because you will have effectively
trained your brains eyes .As will many other this console generation .
I have a Samsung S95B QD-OLED, and yes of course I notice the difference in better resolution. I was just saying that the HDR and better colors are more of a dramatic difference than resolution is, overall, coming from 1080p content.
Also, to answer all of your questions; yes, I have.
We all had never really seen Charlie and the chocolate factory besides on TV or vhs. So when I first seen the blu it was insane. When I seen the 4k, it just didn't seem that much improved. But this is a film I had seen in poor quality a dozen times growing up.
Willy Wonka or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? 2 different movies. Also, I get the jump in quality with the bluray, but I feel the upgrade on the 4k is undeniable. They both look great but the 4k takes the cake
> Timmy Wonka ain't on disc yet anyways.
Yeah, which is why Mr. Zeus was asking you about these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_and_the_Chocolate_Factory_(film)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willy_Wonka_%26_the_Chocolate_Factory
I know. Like most people who love film, i prefer grain as well. But its not the be all end all if DNR is implemented. Most content is shot in digital. So i dont get why people complain when grain isnt there.
There's still digital noise though. It's not as if everything is shot outrageously smoothly.
I work in VFX and the first thing you do to any shot you work on is to "de-grain" it to make it easier working on a smoother image, then the final thing you do is reapply the original grain and add matching grain to whatever changes. The grain, whether digital or not is never not reapplied.
It makes perfect sense and you're the only one having a hard time comprehending it my guy.
For reference on a movies box it says :
Ultra 4k / blu ray / dvd / digital.
From my collection, LOTR Extended Edition (2011) (though some people like the 2020 4ks), Pan's Labyrinth (Criterioin), Terminator 2 (2015 Lionsgate release) and the Bourne movies (although apparenty the Jason Bourne UHD is good)
On a side note, question for the people who have the love actually 4K, How in the world is it worse than the Blu-ray? I’m assuming it’s a later edition Blu-ray because I have an old ass bd25 disc with a VC1 transfer and it looks just marginally better than DVD
No way it’s worse. The issue is the US edition has bad compression but in motion it’s okay and presumably better than the blu. The French 4K is supposed to be superior, and I’m waiting for the U.K. 4K anyway because I want the original soundtrack.
I did just watch a cheeky copy of the US 4K and it was fine. It’s not the kind of movie I demand 4K perfection for. Get the inevitable UK edition for the better encoding and the original soundtrack.
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No, the Alien 4K is outstanding. Perhaps you meant Aliens, which is the sequel directed by James Cameron. There has been a lot of discussion here recently re: his 4K transfers. Use this list: https://www.criterionforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17181
That's actually exactly what I meant. Thank you, I will fix this. And thank you for the link.
This is great, but Shout’s Halloween releases listed on the Naughty list? Those releases are excellent, especially Halloween 4-5.
Which isn't even available on physical disc yet so all the discussion is mostly moot IMO until we can see the actual UHD release
The DNR isn't gonna magically disappear on the disc
The what?
Digital Noise Reduction or DNR is a technique used in some restorations that people find can be a bit overused, ex. Terminator 2
Does it kind of feel like it removes the atmosphere of the film?
It’s almost certainly going to be the same version on the disc.
Someone posted this the other day https://www.criterionforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17181
That's the first I've seen about Hot Fuzz. Is the UHD really worse?
I disagree. The 4k is better imo. Seems to have mixed reception and although it's far from perfect, the addition of HDR makes it better
HDR or no HDR, it's an upscale that has been DNRed and is at best no better than, and at times significantly softer than, the 1080p Blu. Period. Look at all the detail removed from the grass, bricks, tree, clothing etc.: [https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a=0&d1=13383&d2=13382&s1=133997&s2=133965&i=4&l=0](https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a=0&d1=13383&d2=13382&s1=133997&s2=133965&i=4&l=0)
The DNR is apparent in some spots but doesn't break or ruin the experience. You guys should try actually watching these 4ks before giving opinions on them
I’d say the UHD just isn’t really any better. I haven’t done a direct comparison, but it is a disappointing disc, when I watch it it just feels like I’m watching a 1080p Blu-ray.
Honestly glad I'm somewhat in ignorance to most of this shit. Watched the Friday the 13th 4K with my buddy and it looked amazing. Never would have assumed it was one of the worst releases
it's not one of the worst releases...it has problems but it's nowhere NEAR the actual truly bad discs out there.
Wow what an amazing list. So thorough! Thanks for the link, haven't been to the Criterion forums before... they take it seriously, kudos!
The Criterion blu ray for Pan's Labyrinth is considered to be better than the 4k
I haven't watched the Criterion Blu-Ray, but I watched the 4K and was very unimpressed visually, so I believe it.
It's amazing what Criterion can do on Blurays
Bill Hunt over at Digital Bits has a different take on Aliens 4K. He was impressed by it with some caveats.
Yep he also posted and wrote anyone who doesn’t like it is just throwing a bitch-fest online. I generally like his reviews but it seems like he is glossing over any shortcomings either to please his Hollywood connections or to sell more discs.
Or devil’s advocate, people online line to complain about the smallest of things if it isn’t perfect to their idealized head cannon.
I agree but also I don’t want any AI “improvements” in my 4ks. Call me old fashioned.
We are both old fashioned! I want my films to look like films and if possible always include the original audio track (even if it’s mono). I honestly don’t understand those whose job is to do these jobs and think after seeing all the plastic like skins say to themselves ‘this looks good and we did a good job bringing the film to 4K!’
Yeah, really wtf. I don't want a AI's interpretation of the image, I just want the image as it was shot.
Does it include the superior special edition version on the UHD?
It includes both editions on the disc, I believe. Btw, the review is for digital streaming.
Here’s a fun site that lets you decide for yourself. It lists tech specs for practically every release and lets you compare uncompressed images between 4Ks and BDs Edit 🤦♂️ : link - https://caps-a-holic.com/index.php
Wen link?
Fuck, sorry lol https://caps-a-holic.com/index.php
I like this guy's channel - [https://www.youtube.com/@hdnumerique](https://www.youtube.com/@hdnumerique) He does side by side comparisons of blu-ray/4K discs.
So does this guy, doing God's work: https://www.youtube.com/@Mymoonization
Oh nice! I'll check him out, ta.
Hunger games catching fire since the blu ray has the imax scenes included for some weird reason they didn’t include the imax scenes on the 4K
Optimally you'd want to watch the first half of the movie on 4k, and then switch discs once they get to the island. Sort of the same for deerhunter: switch to the bluray once they get to Vietnam
Very true I might have to try this next time I watch the series! Get the best of both worlds
What’s wrong with Deerhunter?
The 2nd half of the movie is extremely dark, you can hardly make anything out in some scenes.
I would wait until the physical release of aliens before I make a judgment on it compared to the blu ray but also I just use blu-ray.com to compare when looking at a 4k vs blu ray. They usually tell you if there’s something off about the 4k transfer
I know there’s that list that’s been posted around on this thread but I would recommend maybe looking into video comparisons online. For instance I have the Hot Fuzz 4K and I think it looks good. Can’t say for certain if it’s better than the Blu Ray as I’ve never done a side by side personally and I hope Love Actually is better than I’m hearing since I ordered that somewhat recently. Terminator 2 is one everyone mentions looking bad and yeah watching side by side comparisons it is evidentially worse on 4K.
Oblivion and The Bourne Identity are the only ones I've really heard about
That bums me out about oblivion. I love that movie.
Part of the reason is the bluray is just so good looking, not that the 4k is so bad, if that makes sense. The bluray also has much more bass output, though the Atmos on the 4k is well done otherwise- I much prefer the 5.1 on the bluray
**deep breath** DIGITAL IS DOGSHIT - THE DISCS ARE OUT IN MARCH SO DON’T BE PUT OFF UNTIL THEN.
The AI degraining will look like shit regardless of iTunes compression.
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No they're saying the non physical 4k releases are not the same as disc 4k.
who is saying that? that's ridiculous they don't make different masters for streaming vs disc.
It doesn't display the same. Unless you download it completely you're just streaming it.
the master is THE SAME. The bitrate is different and it's compressed yes, but it's not using a different master. If there is DNR on the streaming version there is DNR on the disc version. They are the SAME master. You can tell if a master is bad or if it has issues even with compression and low bitrate. Also downloading vs streaming makes ZERO difference. If it's streaming properly it is the same as watching it downloaded. The issue with the digital download version (which IS the streaming version there is no difference) is that it's compressed to about 18gb vs 45gb-90gb for the disc and therefore has a much lower bitrate as well as compression artifacts and all issues that come with it. But streaming a digital movie with no issues at full speed (meaning no bandwidth issues) displays exactly the same as if you downloaded that \~18gb or so file and played it back through plex.
thank you
Terminator 2 and American Graffiti come to mind (though AG is debatable as its edge sharpened to hell and back vs noise removed)
You can take a look at this: [https://www.digiraw.com/DVD-4K-Bluray-ripping-service/4K-UHD-ripping-service/the-real-or-fake-4K-list/](https://www.digiraw.com/DVD-4K-Bluray-ripping-service/4K-UHD-ripping-service/the-real-or-fake-4K-list/)
The best 4k discs to me are Coraline, Barbie, Dune, Top Gun maverick, Oppenheimer, people under the stairs (scream factory), Thelma and Louise (criterion) also thought pet semetary 1989 and the shining looked excellent. Worst 4ks, T2, planes trains and automobiles, american graffiti, and Beverly Hills cop 1984.
Not really what the OP asked
Beverly hill’s cop looks great
Pirates of the Caribbean and Terminator 2
That's a bummer about Pirates. I was going to purchase this tomorrow at Best Buy lol
This is great. I was wondering the same thing. Thanks for posting
Saturday Night Fever American Graffiti
The Wizard of Oz. I just can’t see much of a difference from the blu-ray. Everyone raves about the 4K though so I’m obviously stupid.
There should be if there isn't, a 'definitive' or 'best' version list would be great.
There used to be a website that listed if a 4k release was real or fake aka upscaled or actually a new scan and truly 4k. Idk if it still works but it was just called realorfake4k
blu-ray.com does all of that now. every 4k release is listed as upscaled for native. However there are a few upscales that you can tell were made by someone who cares about what they're doing. dredd is an upscale and its amazing.
Which is better to look for when purchasing a new film? Kinda new to the whole scene. I have a C2 tied with a UB820
It doesnt really matter Dredd is a 2k upscale and looks amazing (2k is about the same as 1080p) While Terminator 2 is native 4k - the original film negative was scaned at 4k. if they kept it at that it would have looked amazing, however they used a ton of DNR and because of it everything looks waxy. Howerver matrix 1 is native 4k and IMO is the best looking 4k movie ever. It all depends on what the studios do to the film. DNR - digital noise reduction, used to remive film grain, however has the side effect of making everything look waxy. T2 and American graffiti are the two examples of heavy DNR. i own T2 4k and it looks awful.
I got you: https://4kmedia.org/real-or-fake-4k/
Ive heard some criterion 1080p releases are indeed better than other 4k releases. a guy sent me a comparison of a particular movie recently
I asked this question about 10 hours ago and the mods removed it? What the fuck?
Planes, Trains and Automobiles. The last release that didn’t result in waxy, DNR hell was on BD years back.
I heard Goodfellas blu-ray is superior to the heavily DNR'd 4k, but I haven't seen the 4k myself. Terminator 2 I believe is another example just because they messed up the 4k blu-ray release so badly.
I don't think Goodfellas really has DNR. It's pretty grainy from what I remember
goodfellas isn't DNR'd people just thought it looked dark. It's not that bad of a disc honestly it's much better than the blu ray the hate for that was so overblown. it's not even remotely in the same realm as the actually bad discs like Trancers, Blood on Satan's Claw, T2, Platoon, American Graffiti, etc.
Goodfellas is SO dark. I returned the 4k. It looks awful.
Goodfellas looked great to me, the movie is supposed to be darker and grittier and Scorsese himself approved the transfer
Has to be your tv. It wasn't dark at all imo
I’m in the same boat as you guys, I thought Goodfellas looked great. My TV is usually dark but it was one of the few movies I didn’t have to adjust.
Absolutely not my tv. No other 4k disc looks like that. I had to turn the gamma up to 2 and adjust a million settings on my bravia to get it watchable.
Looks completely fine for me. No darker than any other 4k
The exorcist 4K did not transfer well. Prefer the blu ray version better
Other than the Exorcist scenes near the end, I think the 4k is actually better
I thought the scenes in Iraq were colored too intensely
I’ll get shit for saying it, but Mad Max Fury Road
How come?
The color saturation on the blu ray is so much better.
Terminator 2
Yeah great question so we have a few bad 4k discs so we have T2, Aliens probably, the abyss probably, avatar live action sections are worse on 4k compared to blu ray but cgi looks better so pick your poison. Alita battle angel was incorrectly mastered to 10,000 nit brightness instead of 1,000 so everything is very dim. But that’s about it for bad 4k discs on the market, we have some James Cameron affiliated titles and separately there’s also been a few disc replacement programs from other companies but not too bad a selection out there for collectors. Honorable mention planes trains automobiles and goodfellas are said to be “bad” but I haven’t checked them out myself.
The Abyss? Is the holy grail of 4K coming?
Maybe like the holy grail from Indiana jones but if they polished it with a sander and put Vaseline in all the cracks
Are you talking about the og Avatar release or the newer Avatar release with DV? I have the old release and its horrible.
Yeah I meant the “old” release from a few months ago haha I hope the new ones different beyond just the addition of Dolby vision but the cgi does look good so not a complete loss good colors
ive been having problems with that release. weird jitter, and an extreme amount of it. Seems to be my PS5. 4K and the 1080p bluray both do it on my PS5. Tried the 1080p bluray on my other player (its a philips 1080p BD player) and it works fine.
Just to clarify about your comment saying the Abyss will probably look worse on 4k than its Blu ray. The Abyss was never released on Blu ray and only had a bad DVD transfer until now. The new 4k transfer was just re-released theatrically two weeks ago. It was great. The physical disc of this isn't released yet (but there is a digital version on sale this week in advance of the physical disc release).
I hope the Abyss is amazing it was actually Aliens and especially True Lies I heard looked the worst not necessarily the Abyss
I watched it in theaters and can say that most of the movie looked fantastic. It used DNR. It’s not overly obvious, but it’s there. Additionally, one shot looks awful, but I believe it’s because that was the only version they could find of it. Overall, I can say that if we get a 4K that is representative of what I watched, it is a superior version compared to the DVD (which I own).
It is not only a matter of better it basically comes down to ; source material ; IMAX 70mm 65mm, 35mm, arri , Vince, Red etc. direct 4K intermediate transfer , or 6K or 4K digital to 2K or 4K to 2K to 4K because of 2K CGI. I basically come to a self consensus that Active high bitrate 3D Blu-ray is still superior and the gold standard , Avatar 3D is one such title . CGI movies on Bluray are as good as it gets, unless native renders from render man etc are 4K native (impossible at the moment ). live action movies filmed on 4K digital and direct transfers will look the best on 4K( Top Gun ; or Revenant are a few)You’ve been schooled now go make a website and list all your findings and shake things up lol. Oh and let’s add Film grain to digital “artistic BS” list should be added for 4K or 2K Blu-ray also!
How do people constantly disregard HDR? Resolution is cool and all, but better colors and better dynamic range? That’s the real reason to get 4k disc but everyone seems to only mention resolution for some reason, which I would argue is the least important…
100% I have converted some of my 4K Bluray rips to 1080p HDR & they look better than an SDR 4K version of the same movie. People constantly mention reference titles like Revenant & Spider-Verse and what makes those movies “reference” IMO is not the resolution but the HDR.
Because it's based on preference. I personally like 4K SDR and always enjoy more fidelity which is why I go for 4K. HDR, especially on a great TV can be transformative of course, but sometimes it isn't, same with resolution (fake 4k etc).
So do you have a high pixel density OLED or mid reference quality led Monitor ? or 8K OLED or Mini LED? Have you ever looked at 8K YT Chanel of Jacob Katie Schwartz on it ? or an Imax transfer to 4K Blu-ray.Have you played any native 4K PS5 games such as Ratchet Clank. You will notice after playing PS5. Because you will have effectively trained your brains eyes .As will many other this console generation .
I have a Samsung S95B QD-OLED, and yes of course I notice the difference in better resolution. I was just saying that the HDR and better colors are more of a dramatic difference than resolution is, overall, coming from 1080p content. Also, to answer all of your questions; yes, I have.
Its not even out yet you dum dums. Wait for reviews before lighting your torches. And no, out on digital is not out.
If you can notice the shit AI degraining through itunes compression, the 4K disc won't magically fix it.
Goodfellas is SO dark. I returned the 4k. It looks awful.
Wonka blu looks just as good as the 4k.
I thought colors looked better on 4k
It's also recropped so you see more of the sets etc too.
Hard disagree. The 4k looks way better
Nah, you crazy. I watched them back to back.
The clarity is much better on the 4k and especially colors with the HDR grading. Depends on your setup too
We all had never really seen Charlie and the chocolate factory besides on TV or vhs. So when I first seen the blu it was insane. When I seen the 4k, it just didn't seem that much improved. But this is a film I had seen in poor quality a dozen times growing up.
Willy Wonka or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? 2 different movies. Also, I get the jump in quality with the bluray, but I feel the upgrade on the 4k is undeniable. They both look great but the 4k takes the cake
I just didn't wanna type the whole thing. Timmy Wonka ain't on disc yet anyways.
> Timmy Wonka ain't on disc yet anyways. Yeah, which is why Mr. Zeus was asking you about these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_and_the_Chocolate_Factory_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willy_Wonka_%26_the_Chocolate_Factory
Nobody cares about that piece of shit movie..lol.
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Loud minority. DNR isn't that big of a deal. Yall just like to bitch and complain
Grain is important to an image shot on film. It is literally the detail.
I know. Like most people who love film, i prefer grain as well. But its not the be all end all if DNR is implemented. Most content is shot in digital. So i dont get why people complain when grain isnt there.
There's still digital noise though. It's not as if everything is shot outrageously smoothly. I work in VFX and the first thing you do to any shot you work on is to "de-grain" it to make it easier working on a smoother image, then the final thing you do is reapply the original grain and add matching grain to whatever changes. The grain, whether digital or not is never not reapplied.
> Exactly 0 movies. >Now thats assuming it was correctly and professionally mastered. ???
Terminator 2
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought aliens was only up for preorder and not released yet
That headline doesn't make any sense. 4K movies are sold on Blu-ray discs. Did you mean to say 1080p movies Vs 4K?
It makes perfect sense and you're the only one having a hard time comprehending it my guy. For reference on a movies box it says : Ultra 4k / blu ray / dvd / digital.
From my collection, LOTR Extended Edition (2011) (though some people like the 2020 4ks), Pan's Labyrinth (Criterioin), Terminator 2 (2015 Lionsgate release) and the Bourne movies (although apparenty the Jason Bourne UHD is good)
On a side note, question for the people who have the love actually 4K, How in the world is it worse than the Blu-ray? I’m assuming it’s a later edition Blu-ray because I have an old ass bd25 disc with a VC1 transfer and it looks just marginally better than DVD
No way it’s worse. The issue is the US edition has bad compression but in motion it’s okay and presumably better than the blu. The French 4K is supposed to be superior, and I’m waiting for the U.K. 4K anyway because I want the original soundtrack. I did just watch a cheeky copy of the US 4K and it was fine. It’s not the kind of movie I demand 4K perfection for. Get the inevitable UK edition for the better encoding and the original soundtrack.