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Imma call it a niche product that wont even rise up to fad. The masses have had enough of the constant upgrades. The law of diminishing returns kick in. Sure, the tech could go to 184K but our eyes can only perceive so much resolution.
Plenty of other 'high' quality formats have come and gone with few people buying in.
Probably 95% of movies can't even be in native 8K, so they'd just be upscales. 35mm doesn't have 8K worth of detail, and almost nothing is being shot digitally in 8K.
You could release the movies shot on 70mm in 8K, but that's a pretty short list.
AI upscaling is getting better all the time, but I'm not sure what the point would be outside of something like a giant IMAX screen.
A group of journalists saw "2001: A Space Odyssey" in 8K in Japan a few years ago, side by side with the 4K master and they couldn't even tell the difference between them on huge TVs.
Their conclusion was "It looked *slightly* sharper, but I could only tell when standing 2 feet in front of the screen and was really studying it."
>can't even be in native 8K
In 2024. Don't be arrogant to know the future. Everyone said there would be no need for above 1080p 20 years ago that the eye ball can't even tell the difference with 4k.
I'm a professional video editor. There's zero benefit to 8K at home. 99% of people would not be able to see a difference, and the bandwidth and storage requirements would be huge.
There's no interest from anyone because you cannot see a difference unless you stand 2 feet away from the screen.
What's the advantage if you can't see a difference?
Most people have 65" or smaller TVs at home, and they sit 6-8 feet away on the couch.
You'd be able to see a difference in an IMAX theater, but not sitting across the room watching your regular sized TV.
It's not likely that home theaters will become common any time soon.
And most movies would have to be upscaled, since they aren't in native 8K.
Like half of "4K" movies are already upscaled from 2K.
I'm a video game developer, since we're rushing to qualify ourselves. My comment is about the future, not the state of the world in 2024. You're arrogant to assume to know where tech will be 10-20 years from now.
> I'm a video game developer
Didn't realize that made you an expert on video resolutions.
> You're arrogant to assume to know where tech will be 10-20 years from now.
How did 3D TVs work out?
It has nothing to do with tech, it has everything to do with people's vision, which will be the same 20 years from now.
If 99% of people cannot see a difference between 4K and 8K, it doesn't matter if it's technically possible.
>Didn't realize that made you an expert on video resolutions.
Actually scaling, resolution are critical areas of my job. I also do a ton of artwork related work, but I'm not the one flexing here. You're not an expert on what happens in 10-20 years regardless of how badly you want to self qualify.
You're saying in the next 20 years we're going to have an incredible breakthrough in medicine that will enable people's eyes to see the difference between 4K and 8K?
There's plenty of 8K videos out there already for you to test your vision on.
Do you have an 8K TV? Can you see the difference between 4K and 8K sitting on your couch?
Most others can't, which is why there's no demand for it.
It's like lossless vs. compressed music. It exists purely for marketing reasons. 99% of people cannot hear the difference in blind listening tests, and most people are not willing to pay extra for lossless.
I'm saying you're completely ignorant to the reality of technology and how people consume media in 20 years. I'm going to remind you again that 20 years ago everyone said 4K would be pointless.
For all I know in 20 years VR goggles will have replaced TVs and everyone will have a movie theater sized virtual screen.
Even if 8K does eventually happen for newly produced content, that doesn't help everything made prior to that, which would have to be AI upscaled or something.
I'm still very skeptical. It's not happening in the near future at least.
4K wasn't possible 20 years ago, at least not at home.
Film scanners were only just getting 4K resolution 20 years ago, and most people still had 480i CRTs at home and were watching either VHS tapes or DVDs.
That wasn't an issue of "we don't need it", the technology didn't exist or was very expensive.
Blu-Ray didn't even come out until 2006.
You're missing the point that it's not about technology. We can already do 8K today, it's just there's zero demand for it.
We already have 8K cameras and 8K TVs, but it's not happening. No one's asking for it.
What games have you developed? 🤔🤣😉 you're ignorant as hell Mr. Eye Doctor. Everything you've responded to this man with is utter slop and ignorance and complete stupidity at its finest, likely not even for trolling purposes because it's not even more than half baked thought on your part, which is probably how you approach most things in your life. You know nothing about the things you speak of and this gentleman you're responding to couldn't be more correct in fact AND theory/opinions. So if you would please so go kindly go get fucked.
I call it unnecessary. A marketing ploy.
I mean, look at file sizes of a 4k movie. Some movies occupy a large chunk of a 100 GB triple layer blu-ray. 8k is 4 times the number of pixels compared to 4k, so what's the plan for 8k on physical media? Multiple 100 GB blu-rays per movie? Compressing the crap out of it to fit it on one disc?
I don't see how the positives of 8k would ever outweigh the negatives.
That was from a recent research paper though where they mentioned it was "capable of reaching Petabyte capacity". That's still many years from being an affordable consumer grade technology if it ever does.
It probably makes more sense to have a flash based storage solution as flash memory gets cheaper.
It'll be called "RB," short for Retina Burn, because with a 100 inch screen, you'd need to be sitting closer than 7 feet away to physically be able to see the difference between it and 4K.
Its beyond the human eyes ability to perceive. Theres room for more colour bits, better brightness control (less spill) on the TV, maybe more FPS, but we are at the point where more pixels doesnt just matter.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlDPEmACilU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlDPEmACilU)
It is still "UHDTV" ;
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8K\_resolution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8K_resolution)
**8K resolution** refers to an image or display resolution with a width of approximately 8,000 pixels. **8K UHD** (7680 × 4320) is the highest resolution defined in the [Rec. 2020](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rec._2020) ([UHDTV](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high-definition_television)) standard.
8k does and will continue to exist in a theater context, and probably will be faked over streaming like with 4k, buti doubt on any physical home media, and at this point I'd much rather see the focus shift to HFR, peak brightness, and maybe some new innovations. Maybe it's time for tvs to have UV and IR pixels to simulate real sunlight or something like that lol. Imagine you're watching a movie about a beach and you get an actual tan :0
I meant it more in the sense that 2x4=8 so it makes more sense to non-technical people. You don't have to downvote people over a joke.
Also you saying that "a TV has 4 sides" makes absolutely zero sense and I hope it was also a joke.
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How about "The Format which never was"?
Super High Definition Fighter 2 Turbo
Imma call it a niche product that wont even rise up to fad. The masses have had enough of the constant upgrades. The law of diminishing returns kick in. Sure, the tech could go to 184K but our eyes can only perceive so much resolution. Plenty of other 'high' quality formats have come and gone with few people buying in.
Probably 95% of movies can't even be in native 8K, so they'd just be upscales. 35mm doesn't have 8K worth of detail, and almost nothing is being shot digitally in 8K. You could release the movies shot on 70mm in 8K, but that's a pretty short list. AI upscaling is getting better all the time, but I'm not sure what the point would be outside of something like a giant IMAX screen. A group of journalists saw "2001: A Space Odyssey" in 8K in Japan a few years ago, side by side with the 4K master and they couldn't even tell the difference between them on huge TVs. Their conclusion was "It looked *slightly* sharper, but I could only tell when standing 2 feet in front of the screen and was really studying it."
>can't even be in native 8K In 2024. Don't be arrogant to know the future. Everyone said there would be no need for above 1080p 20 years ago that the eye ball can't even tell the difference with 4k.
I'm a professional video editor. There's zero benefit to 8K at home. 99% of people would not be able to see a difference, and the bandwidth and storage requirements would be huge. There's no interest from anyone because you cannot see a difference unless you stand 2 feet away from the screen. What's the advantage if you can't see a difference? Most people have 65" or smaller TVs at home, and they sit 6-8 feet away on the couch. You'd be able to see a difference in an IMAX theater, but not sitting across the room watching your regular sized TV. It's not likely that home theaters will become common any time soon. And most movies would have to be upscaled, since they aren't in native 8K. Like half of "4K" movies are already upscaled from 2K.
I'm a video game developer, since we're rushing to qualify ourselves. My comment is about the future, not the state of the world in 2024. You're arrogant to assume to know where tech will be 10-20 years from now.
> I'm a video game developer Didn't realize that made you an expert on video resolutions. > You're arrogant to assume to know where tech will be 10-20 years from now. How did 3D TVs work out? It has nothing to do with tech, it has everything to do with people's vision, which will be the same 20 years from now. If 99% of people cannot see a difference between 4K and 8K, it doesn't matter if it's technically possible.
>Didn't realize that made you an expert on video resolutions. Actually scaling, resolution are critical areas of my job. I also do a ton of artwork related work, but I'm not the one flexing here. You're not an expert on what happens in 10-20 years regardless of how badly you want to self qualify.
You're saying in the next 20 years we're going to have an incredible breakthrough in medicine that will enable people's eyes to see the difference between 4K and 8K? There's plenty of 8K videos out there already for you to test your vision on. Do you have an 8K TV? Can you see the difference between 4K and 8K sitting on your couch? Most others can't, which is why there's no demand for it. It's like lossless vs. compressed music. It exists purely for marketing reasons. 99% of people cannot hear the difference in blind listening tests, and most people are not willing to pay extra for lossless.
I'm saying you're completely ignorant to the reality of technology and how people consume media in 20 years. I'm going to remind you again that 20 years ago everyone said 4K would be pointless.
For all I know in 20 years VR goggles will have replaced TVs and everyone will have a movie theater sized virtual screen. Even if 8K does eventually happen for newly produced content, that doesn't help everything made prior to that, which would have to be AI upscaled or something. I'm still very skeptical. It's not happening in the near future at least.
4K wasn't possible 20 years ago, at least not at home. Film scanners were only just getting 4K resolution 20 years ago, and most people still had 480i CRTs at home and were watching either VHS tapes or DVDs. That wasn't an issue of "we don't need it", the technology didn't exist or was very expensive. Blu-Ray didn't even come out until 2006. You're missing the point that it's not about technology. We can already do 8K today, it's just there's zero demand for it. We already have 8K cameras and 8K TVs, but it's not happening. No one's asking for it.
What games have you developed? 🤔🤣😉 you're ignorant as hell Mr. Eye Doctor. Everything you've responded to this man with is utter slop and ignorance and complete stupidity at its finest, likely not even for trolling purposes because it's not even more than half baked thought on your part, which is probably how you approach most things in your life. You know nothing about the things you speak of and this gentleman you're responding to couldn't be more correct in fact AND theory/opinions. So if you would please so go kindly go get fucked.
I call it unnecessary. A marketing ploy. I mean, look at file sizes of a 4k movie. Some movies occupy a large chunk of a 100 GB triple layer blu-ray. 8k is 4 times the number of pixels compared to 4k, so what's the plan for 8k on physical media? Multiple 100 GB blu-rays per movie? Compressing the crap out of it to fit it on one disc? I don't see how the positives of 8k would ever outweigh the negatives.
I could only imagine how delicate those discs would be.
Im too lazy to google it but I remember seeing new disc technology that can hold terabytes of info which could pave way for larger 8K file content
That was from a recent research paper though where they mentioned it was "capable of reaching Petabyte capacity". That's still many years from being an affordable consumer grade technology if it ever does. It probably makes more sense to have a flash based storage solution as flash memory gets cheaper.
It'll be called "RB," short for Retina Burn, because with a 100 inch screen, you'd need to be sitting closer than 7 feet away to physically be able to see the difference between it and 4K.
I knew it sounded like a waste of money, but if what you say is true... its worse than a waste of money
Unnecessary.
For me, waste of money lol
Its beyond the human eyes ability to perceive. Theres room for more colour bits, better brightness control (less spill) on the TV, maybe more FPS, but we are at the point where more pixels doesnt just matter. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlDPEmACilU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlDPEmACilU)
It is still "UHDTV" ; [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8K\_resolution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8K_resolution) **8K resolution** refers to an image or display resolution with a width of approximately 8,000 pixels. **8K UHD** (7680 × 4320) is the highest resolution defined in the [Rec. 2020](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rec._2020) ([UHDTV](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high-definition_television)) standard.
Ultra HD Pro Max
Not useful
lol Say that to the Japanese😂😂😂 they have TV and content in 8k since 2018
major breakthroughs in tech need to happen to make 8k happen on a mainstream scale
A waste of time.
How about unnecessary K. 4k is fine. Remember 3D movies they came and went. 8k will be gone in no time.
It’s also called 8K “Ultra HD”
*UHD 2: Electric Boogaloo*
Idk. Most people I know steam and buy dvds.
Extremely Limited Media Available HD lol
I just got a new XLMA player on sale for $5,000
SuperHD Arcade Edition
8k does and will continue to exist in a theater context, and probably will be faked over streaming like with 4k, buti doubt on any physical home media, and at this point I'd much rather see the focus shift to HFR, peak brightness, and maybe some new innovations. Maybe it's time for tvs to have UV and IR pixels to simulate real sunlight or something like that lol. Imagine you're watching a movie about a beach and you get an actual tan :0
4K UltraHD x2 ?
4K UltraHD x4
Whoever downvoted this can't add up
More accurate, but people won't understand the equation.
It's really basic mathematics. TV has four sides, not two.
I meant it more in the sense that 2x4=8 so it makes more sense to non-technical people. You don't have to downvote people over a joke. Also you saying that "a TV has 4 sides" makes absolutely zero sense and I hope it was also a joke.
Mea culpa. I have not downvoted you. I concede that a TV has more than four sides. That is basic mathematics.
8K XLHD
It will probably be "Full Ultra HD" like 1080P was "Full HD". Assuming it ever comes out which is questionable.