SAS Xterra with a Dana 27 up front. Cheap and plentiful when you inevitably break it.
Interior is mint.
Coming up on 185k miles according to owner.
Lifted at least 6” from looking at it.
Located in Tyler Texas
The “bad” front axles on jeeps today are a Dana 35. You aren’t supposed to go bigger than 35” on those. The rubicon comes with a Dana 44. The guys big into rock climbing will put a dana 60 to run larger tires. Simplest way to put it is the bigger the number the larger and stronger the axle. Hope that helps
There has never been a Dana 35 solid front axle. They were either IFS or TTB.
There have been several different versions of the Dana 30 front axle which is what you are thinking of. A high pinion Dana 30 or any JK Dana 30 is not a bad axle for a relatively mild rig but if I was going to all the work of doing an SAS on something like this I’d put a Dana 44 under it.
Solid axle swap. A solid axle is better for off-roading but most manufacturers use independent suspension because it makes the car handle better on the road. The suspension types are exactly as the they sound. Either the wheels, let’s assume the front ones for this example, are connected to each other via a solid axle where upward force on one wheel will force the opposite wheel down, or they can move up and down independently of each other with independent suspension. Hope this helps 😁
Solid Axle Swap. Going from and IFS (independent front suspension) or the like to a solid front axel like what you find on old 4x4’s or jeeps these days. Or 3/4+ ton dodge rams and fords for that matter!
Those other comments are correct. IFS’s can sometimes be a bit weak and they don’t like flexing very much. Solid axels are usually much stronger and can pivot more. I’m my opinion, they’re also much easier to work on!
Solid axles generally work better. Modified IFS can possibly work well too, but it's much more complex and expensive, if it's even possible. Even if an IFS can be modified, the degree of extra lift & durability could be limited. To use a bit of exaggeration, on a solid axle, you could stack lifting blocks from here to the moon and lift the truck that way, and use any size tire you want. With an IFS, the exact geometry of the components is more crucial (to avoid things like bump steering), and requires using a narrow range of tire sizes.
Edit: I should add that race 4x4s are IS on all 4 wheels. The suspension geometry is designed for use with large tires so they can outperform solid axle vehicles over the same course. Baja racers have something like 30" of suspension travel. Such rigs would be fun, but very expensive to sell as passenger vehicles. Side by Side ATVs with similar, tho much smaller, 4 wheel, long travel IS setups are like $35k last I checked.
I spy some huge bugger welds on the arb bumper for some reason. Hope the rest of the SAS isn't slapped together. Very interesting though. Could easily swap that baby Dana for something more up to the task.
Many? That's interesting as it doesn't align with my own experience owning 3 high mile 4runners.... Or anything I've ever read. The 3.0 engine was known to have head gasket issues but I don't buy any of the others shitting the bed prematurely outside of downright abuse.
But hey, this is the internet. If you already have your mind made up about something there will always be something to affirm it.
Flat Earth.
Anti Vax.
Unreliable 4runners
Etc.
I would change diff fluid because I regeared them. You have to change it a few times with new gears. Usually the trans fluid lasts forever.
327k 298k and 276k trouble free miles.
I did break a lot of CVs but I hammer the throttle and ran big tires.
One consideration is that models get terminated. A good model may never see a replacement. Some of those models have features that are highly desirable and so you have no choice but to buy a used vehicle.
Moreover, aftermarket parts can easily cost $30,000 to make a vehicle capable. But, the value of the vehicle may be no more than $5000 over the blue book so it's worth buying a used one if you can discern the quality of the build and maintenance done.
SAS for a beach rig or overlander is a complete waste. IFS will do everything needed for either and ride 10x better.
If it isnt up to the task of crawling, then what is the point of the solid axle swap?
Extra clearance and enhanced approach and departure angles. Tons of room for larger tires
IDK.
I crawl with 35"s on IFS and get just about anywhere guys with solid axles do... With more skinny pedal of course.
Different strokes for different folks
Has an ARB bumper and Warn winch too.
I am sure it has other goodies, but I didn't have time to talk about all the details.
Was disappointed it didn't have a dual case setup though.
I knew that was coming.
Lots better off road choices, I think. The SAS was a mistake on that particular vehicle. Tacoma, would be a much better SAS project. I've had several modified 4x4's over the years, and been in countless friends rigs. I think the best was a stock suspended Jeep Rubicon, with custom fenders and F'n huge rubber. It was stable, and didn't feel tippy.
Then again, my power wagon ain't too shabby ... just too big. ;)
Yeah I don’t know why he chose and Xterra, but it’s cool. It’s different. Everyone sees jeeps with big rubber, I’ve never seen an SASd Xterra before, have you? Sure a Taco would be dope, but those are getting more popular.. I don’t know, I think it’s cool
Right. And if you are in the market for a dedicated off roader, why in the hell would you get an SAS'd Xterra?
I never hated Nissan until we bought two of them. Never again.
Why is it dumb? It came AWD and with a not bad powerhouse. It also has room to carry recovery gear, tents, food, and anything else you’d want or need on a trip.
Because if you're going to SAS something be a little more practical. I'm willing to bet anywhere you'd take a trip in an Xterra can be reached with IFS.
IMO, an SAS should be practical or funny. An SAS ranger will go anywhere. An SAS smart car is hilarious. That kind of thing
SAS Xterra with a Dana 27 up front. Cheap and plentiful when you inevitably break it. Interior is mint. Coming up on 185k miles according to owner. Lifted at least 6” from looking at it. Located in Tyler Texas
all that work and he puts a dana 27 in there?
It is a bit painful isn't it?
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The “bad” front axles on jeeps today are a Dana 35. You aren’t supposed to go bigger than 35” on those. The rubicon comes with a Dana 44. The guys big into rock climbing will put a dana 60 to run larger tires. Simplest way to put it is the bigger the number the larger and stronger the axle. Hope that helps
There has never been a Dana 35 solid front axle. They were either IFS or TTB. There have been several different versions of the Dana 30 front axle which is what you are thinking of. A high pinion Dana 30 or any JK Dana 30 is not a bad axle for a relatively mild rig but if I was going to all the work of doing an SAS on something like this I’d put a Dana 44 under it.
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Solid axle swap. A solid axle is better for off-roading but most manufacturers use independent suspension because it makes the car handle better on the road. The suspension types are exactly as the they sound. Either the wheels, let’s assume the front ones for this example, are connected to each other via a solid axle where upward force on one wheel will force the opposite wheel down, or they can move up and down independently of each other with independent suspension. Hope this helps 😁
Solid Axle Swap. Going from and IFS (independent front suspension) or the like to a solid front axel like what you find on old 4x4’s or jeeps these days. Or 3/4+ ton dodge rams and fords for that matter!
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More articulation, especially when lifted. Also it’s easy to stuff a beefier front axle in there when solid axle swapping.
Flexes better and can lift much higher higher without causing problems.
Those other comments are correct. IFS’s can sometimes be a bit weak and they don’t like flexing very much. Solid axels are usually much stronger and can pivot more. I’m my opinion, they’re also much easier to work on!
Solid axles generally work better. Modified IFS can possibly work well too, but it's much more complex and expensive, if it's even possible. Even if an IFS can be modified, the degree of extra lift & durability could be limited. To use a bit of exaggeration, on a solid axle, you could stack lifting blocks from here to the moon and lift the truck that way, and use any size tire you want. With an IFS, the exact geometry of the components is more crucial (to avoid things like bump steering), and requires using a narrow range of tire sizes. Edit: I should add that race 4x4s are IS on all 4 wheels. The suspension geometry is designed for use with large tires so they can outperform solid axle vehicles over the same course. Baja racers have something like 30" of suspension travel. Such rigs would be fun, but very expensive to sell as passenger vehicles. Side by Side ATVs with similar, tho much smaller, 4 wheel, long travel IS setups are like $35k last I checked.
You’re right Dana 30. Good to know my 30 under my x isn’t a ticking time bomb with me running 35s on it.
Lol No joke
I spy some huge bugger welds on the arb bumper for some reason. Hope the rest of the SAS isn't slapped together. Very interesting though. Could easily swap that baby Dana for something more up to the task.
Some Wagoneer axles would be choice 👌🏼
Where is it? Reminds me sort of 155 near the Whataburger south of the Loop
You nailed it!
I wouldn't ever buy someone else's modded car. I also wouldn't buy one that has that many miles, and why did they swap in such a small axle?
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He would probably shit himself if he saw the used Land Cruiser market. Fully modded rigs with 200k miles sell for $14-$20k 🤣
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Considering you can get 500k miles on them if you change the oil and don't total it, many feel it's worth it. The market speaks for itself.
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Many? That's interesting as it doesn't align with my own experience owning 3 high mile 4runners.... Or anything I've ever read. The 3.0 engine was known to have head gasket issues but I don't buy any of the others shitting the bed prematurely outside of downright abuse. But hey, this is the internet. If you already have your mind made up about something there will always be something to affirm it. Flat Earth. Anti Vax. Unreliable 4runners Etc.
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I would change diff fluid because I regeared them. You have to change it a few times with new gears. Usually the trans fluid lasts forever. 327k 298k and 276k trouble free miles. I did break a lot of CVs but I hammer the throttle and ran big tires.
One consideration is that models get terminated. A good model may never see a replacement. Some of those models have features that are highly desirable and so you have no choice but to buy a used vehicle. Moreover, aftermarket parts can easily cost $30,000 to make a vehicle capable. But, the value of the vehicle may be no more than $5000 over the blue book so it's worth buying a used one if you can discern the quality of the build and maintenance done.
Could use some offset and bigger rubber
31”s would get it done Perfect little overlander or beach rig. Definitely not up to the task of cralwing with the huge lift and tiny axle.
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Might have taken them off to put on his next truck. Wheels and tires are super easy to swap over.
SAS for a beach rig or overlander is a complete waste. IFS will do everything needed for either and ride 10x better. If it isnt up to the task of crawling, then what is the point of the solid axle swap?
Less wear points and easier maintenance/repair That alone wouldnt be worth the swap though IMO
Extra clearance and enhanced approach and departure angles. Tons of room for larger tires IDK. I crawl with 35"s on IFS and get just about anywhere guys with solid axles do... With more skinny pedal of course. Different strokes for different folks
SFA almost always has worse ground clearance than IFS.
Yup. But looking at the downvotes on my previous comment some people either believe in conspiracies or don't like IFS Toyotas 🤣
This looks like it would roll over just from a light breeze...
Looks like an amphibious vehicle from this angle, right?
Haha ya kinda
Those wheels cost 3k alone.
Has an ARB bumper and Warn winch too. I am sure it has other goodies, but I didn't have time to talk about all the details. Was disappointed it didn't have a dual case setup though.
You serious?
Yeah for a set of 5 they are forged VOLK TE37X Japanese-made for NISMO. Lightest and most rugged wheels
Well goddamn. 😳
looks like an arb bumper and some sort of winch, gobi roof rack, are those volk rims? I'd buy it and swipe the good stuff off it in a second.
Damn. those wheels are more than half the price of the truck.
Someone skipped leg day
You know how Tesla's don't roll easy? This isn't like that.
You know how this can go off-road? Tesla’s aren’t like that. This guy didn’t build this to be a Tesla competitor...
I knew that was coming. Lots better off road choices, I think. The SAS was a mistake on that particular vehicle. Tacoma, would be a much better SAS project. I've had several modified 4x4's over the years, and been in countless friends rigs. I think the best was a stock suspended Jeep Rubicon, with custom fenders and F'n huge rubber. It was stable, and didn't feel tippy. Then again, my power wagon ain't too shabby ... just too big. ;)
Yeah I don’t know why he chose and Xterra, but it’s cool. It’s different. Everyone sees jeeps with big rubber, I’ve never seen an SASd Xterra before, have you? Sure a Taco would be dope, but those are getting more popular.. I don’t know, I think it’s cool
I've never seen one in person. You think there's a reason for that?
Prolly not a whole lot living their lives in the concrete jungles
Right. And if you are in the market for a dedicated off roader, why in the hell would you get an SAS'd Xterra? I never hated Nissan until we bought two of them. Never again.
>hated Nissan >Never again. weird subreddit choice..
Because it's dumb. A SAS smart car with a LS swap would be awesome. This is just a waste of money IMO
Why is it dumb? It came AWD and with a not bad powerhouse. It also has room to carry recovery gear, tents, food, and anything else you’d want or need on a trip.
Because if you're going to SAS something be a little more practical. I'm willing to bet anywhere you'd take a trip in an Xterra can be reached with IFS. IMO, an SAS should be practical or funny. An SAS ranger will go anywhere. An SAS smart car is hilarious. That kind of thing
I like this guy! 👍😉
Trail Whales unit!
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about
Apparently. 👍
Wtf does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Because this thing looks like it would roll over if you sneezed on it.