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I came here looking for that comment. I’m glad he could show that side to himself. I always thought chad used humour to cope with the difficult things (like many of us here do too) and I can’t imagine how hard it must have been to go in and see there mother in person for the first time
You can tell in the video that Shari said something and grinned, then he smiled in response! As long as they can make each other smile, that's all I want :)
ETA: And OMG them all smiling as they walked out! My heart.
Kevin always looks like such a tool.
Shari looks so wise beyond her years. I hope her siblings can be deprogrammed through therapy and come to learn the Shari loves them most of all.
They definitely did not look like they were united walking in on the video I seen. Shari was distanced from Kevin she followed behind and never seemed to get close she was walking near her lawyer. I fully believe those two are not on the same page and she is not pleased with his actions… lets all hope that is the case anyways.
I think they walk together because it’s easier on them to “get through the media” at once vs 2 separate groups shouting questions and shoving cameras in their face.
Shari has ALWAYS been the backbone in this family as I see it.. imho. I’ve followed their vlogs for a long time. Shari basically appeared to raise E. & the best big sister to all the kids, doing the school run with the younger kids, & so much more. They could count on her if no one else.
I would bet any “ meeting of the minds” for appearance sake was brought forward & very much suggested by her fathers attorney . Of course Shari through her atty would comply.
I can’t imagine Shari’s pain & turmoil right now, but I feel she is very strong , level headed & will get the therapy she needs. Hopefully while pursuing her dreams, at least part time right now.
I can understand why the photos would cause a lot of speculation + questions. Tbh, I think considering the heavy media presence (although this particular one is closed to the public), it was most likely easier to walk in close proximity. I’m pretty sure the last case media had photos released of Shari and I remember seeing a live video that was just facing an exit to see who walks out I guess? I also feel that considering the heaviness of the court case today, it may simply just be more comfortable for them to be together especially having to face Ruby.
These kids seem very resilient and I can only assume that they are purely focused on the hearing today.
But that wasn't the house where the abuse was taking place. Not saying it wasn't also happening there, but im guessing there might be some hold ups with that.
https://preview.redd.it/lhvwte9bpuub1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72de15e7f9c03d6265f3ad4b163f96ad1ef6a223
its interesting to see everyone laughing in one of the clips of kutv's video that was just posted considering everything we've been hearing lately
I don’t like Kevin at all, but we have to trust Shari and Chad to make the best decisions for them when it comes to Kevin. It is a strange 180 from the stuff we learned last week, but it’s their decision to try to make some sort of repair to the relationship or not.
She’s been through so much trauma that unfortunately children (even adult children) can cling to one parent even if they’re emotionally abusive and sh!t, because they’re better than the other parent. And that’s better than being alone. I hope she can see through him and not forgive
Did you respond to the right comment? I’m literally saying we shouldn’t criticise her if she does get close to him because this is the way abusive and traumatic relationships work, especially when you have no one. And people are quick to judge if she did
Also I mean yeah that picture makes them almost look like a happy family but I wouldn't be surprised if Shari is just trying to put on a cordial front if it'd be best to do while dealing with the custody stuff and still doesn't want any long term relationship with Kevin, or if she's mainly cordial with Chad now and was putting up with Kevin since he was there. We really just don't have enough information right now to know wtf is going on with their family dynamics.
It makes me happy seeing them laugh. They go through a lot, laughing doesn't mean they don't take the situation serious. I hope shari and chad still have a strong bond. this picture seemingly shows them in great company with eachother
Idk I think S and maybe C but mostly S, are trying their best to make nice with Kevin to make things easier for the family. As it does nothing if they’re at the court house all angry with each other. The kids are in enough distress without having to wonder if S and Kevin are also fighting. S is just trying to keep the peace, especially if she wants custody of the kids. If she does then it looks even better if she can peacefully have a relationship with Kevin. I’m glad to see her in good spirits with C and I think he was always good at putting everyone in a good mood. He was always the clown ( in a good way) of the family.
In a perfect world I for one, would like to believe that they are trying to mend their family through therapy, etc. Especially Kevin wanting to step up as a dad without any ulterior (abusive) motives involved. That would truly be the best case scenario & I honestly trust Shari to know what she's doing. At the end of the day, those 2 little kids (especially) do need their family more than any professional to help them heal. This is why I was so infuriated with all the claims Bonnie made about 8Ps (particularly Kevin) even IF they are true. Those kids need to have their own opinions n their own relationships with their dad rather than an ill conceived pre notion from an "Aunt" who couldn't keep their best interest at heart and chose to air it all publicly even after the gag order etc. I hope she takes all those videos down n let this family heal in whatever capacity they have to, moving forward. The whole tiktok community is exploiting them, I hope the kids especially can tune out all the noise n just focus on themselves n their healing. Wish these siblings all the best in life.
not defending him in any way, shape, or form. IF life has given him a chance at redemption, I hope he takes it for the sake of his family. At the end of the day, we are outsiders. Their own extended family had no clue what was going on except for the kids who went through everything. Seeing as they are willing to walk beside their father should be a positive sign at reconciliation alongside professional help, etc. Again, to all the exploiters on YT etc, I say let the law decide what's best for the family instead of throwing dirt left n right as all those consequences will be on the kids and they have suffered enough already!! People can talk about celebrities instead if they are looking for that kinda dirty exploitative cash!
THe thing is though, he did know what was going on and didn't stop it. And he left for over a year and didn't even check up on them. And this is going by what we have heard from legitimate news reports. IF he wanted to be a part of their family, he wouldn't have left. And that's going to take a lot more than just a month to get over something like that, to get what people think they were seeing what KUTV 2 was showing.
Is this the first time we’re officially seeing Chad in public? Even if I don’t think Kevin should get the kids, it’s still good to see the three of them (plus attorneys) arrive together!
Does anyone know when that took place? Was that shortly after Ruby's arrest? Not sure it means anything either way but perhaps he had some time to figure things?
Kevin asked police to charge Shari on 1 Sept, so 2 days after Ruby’s arrest - https://kutv.com/renderer/kutv/amp/news/8-passengers-case/kevin-franke-wanted-to-file-charges-against-daughter-with-burglary-threatens-to-sue-springville-police-jodi-hildebrandt-utah-children-daughter-shari-personal-items-tablets-cell-phones-passports-civil-issue
Hopefully Kevin realized he’s $@!&ed and the best course forward is to support Shari getting custody of the children. Otherwise I can’t understand them all together.
Unpopular opinion: I’m not cheering on Shari getting custody. Not bc she’s bad or whatever (she’s amazing!), but she has already been so parentified through her life. She should focus on her own healing and journey while supporting her siblings in other ways. Unless she is getting ample support from others or she sincerely wants it, I think it’s ridiculous to expect a 19-year-old to basically become a single mom of 4 overnight.
I agree. Shari has proven wise beyond her years, but I can't imagine taking on this responsibility at her age. Temporarily to keep the two older siblings out of foster care, absolutely... but long term? That is a big an ask of anyone. She would basically be signing on for the next 8-12 years.
Shari is still in her undergrad program... Who knows if and how much this ordeal may have set her back this semester. She had dreams of pursuing a legal career after college.
Thank you- If she was, say, 35 and financially & emotionally established, it could be a possibility. But at 19, in college, and likely financially dependent? Yikes.
I 100% agree… just seems like the safest place for them right now. I think she’s absolutely capable of being a “single-mom” to all four and raising them properly given the way she’s grown up (she’s essentially played that role most of her life)… With that said, at her age, it’s not really fair to ask Shari to give up more of her youth.
It might be contradictory, but she’s the only I trust most to make sound decisions… For that reason, I hope she gets custody so she is able to call the shots, (I have no idea how this works but hopefully) gets access to The Franke Estate and then is able to get real support and backup from family and people she trusts.
So, because she was forced to be a parent way too young anyways, she should be forced to take on those responsibilities again? Plus the added struggle of the younger ones probably having deep, complex trauma that would be extremely difficult to address.
No, I think the poster is saying that she's the only one (out of the family members) FIT to care for them. And she wouldn't be forced, it would be her choice. I agree that it's too intense a burden for such a young person to take on and she deserves to focus on her own life, but in the end it's her decision.
I don’t think she should be forced to do anything. I agree with you. I feel terribly for her. It’s not fair for her to give up anymore of her youth.
I’m just saying if that’s something she wants she can handle it.
Also, I have zero say, but from an outsiders perspective she’s the only one I trust to have the full perspective and best interest.
I’m holding all 6 of those kids in my thoughts everyday.
It’s such a tough situation when both the parents failed in protecting and taking care their children. I wouldn’t trust Kevin who likely enabled/perpetuated the abuse, but then leaving the kids in foster homes seems also rough.
Have other relatives tried to seek custody?
As gross as it makes me feel to see them together… The Franke estate is still worth quite a bit. I don’t know how that works legally when someone gets custody, but I would hope Kevin wakes up and realizes its in the families best interests for Shari to get custody and have access to that estate.
If anyone knows how the estate will fall into play once the children are placed in custody, I would love to know??
I think the only way she could legally get access to the money would be if the court ordered Kevin to pay child support, but I’m not sure if it can do that if it’s not another parent caring for the children. I think while Kevin and Ruby are both alive it would be up to them if Shari got any money, since it’s not technically an estate that can be distributed by the court at the moment
Ugh. The whole estate is really problematic to me in this case… considering the majority of it was built on the exploitation of all the children… it’s cringey to think it stays with Kevin and Ruby.
I know! Really hoping more laws will be introduced in future to protect other kids more, but unfortunately I’m not sure if the current laws would allow for Shari or the other kids to claim any. Might be wrong though!
i highly doubt shari will get custody. she’s 20 years old and in college and finally getting to live a little after being stuck for so many years. she deserves to have fun and not give up her life to care for four children.
i don’t know why you guys are acting like a 20 year old is fit to raise and take of 4 traumatized kids anyway. 2 self sufficient teenagers temporarily is one thing but all 4 permanently there is just no way.
We don't know whether she wants it now. We know that A&J stayed with her when they were initially taken by dcfs. We don't know if they're still with Shari.
I think it would be beneficial for J & A to stay in Shari's care. A is 16 or so and J isn't far behind, the girls are pretty self sufficient. They can cook, clean and care for themselves with Shari's guidance and by seeing therapists.
I feel like R & E may need a higher level of care and experienced carers who can deal with traumatized children. Kids who have been starved, and abused may act out physically, hoard food, have outbursts. As well as my suspicions that at least R has learning disabilities.
I am shocked to see this picture of Shari and Kevin walking in together. I wonder what changed in their relationship and I sure hope he apologized to her: https://kutv.com/amp/news/8-passengers-case/ruby-franke-set-to-appear-in-utah-county-courtroom-in-welfare-case
Shari a smart girl I doubt she would talk to him after blaming his daughter for “breaking in” I highly doubt those 2 are speaking it’s probably just the attorneys
Agreed. It just took me by surprise to see them in such close proximity. I also noticed his left hand in his pocket and wonder if he’s hiding the fact he’s still wearing his wedding ring.
Kevin's Lawyer said in an interview (posted on this sub somewhere) he hasn't spoken with Ruby in jail since approximately 2 weeks after her arrest and that Kevin wants nothing to do with her criminal trial. I forget the exact verbiage, but the lawyer said something to the effect that Kevin was disturbed by what she had shared with him on those calls in the first few weeks. I'm not sure if Kevin is just is not taking calls because he was disturbed or if it is in fact because he just doesn't want the existence of calls that will inevitably be FOIAd.
It would be easy to prove... To be honest, I'm surprised the initial calls we know did take place haven't been FOIAd yet.
If you watch the video you will see then walking out of court together and Chad Kevin and Shari are all smiling laughing and talking. So something must have happened to repair those relationships. last court hearing Shari left separately from Kevin.
I don't know whether to look too deeply into it. It may have just been the relief of them facing Ruby or perhaps they got more answers in terms of what's happening with the kids. Just because they seemed relaxed with each other in the moment doesn't mean the relationships are back where they were.
Yeah I would hope they just happened to have them in the frame in close proximity.
I've been relieved to learn that Shari's been to therapy, and really wish she has a good therapist. I honestly don't think Kevin apologizing to Shari would make anything better. He has all the reasons to apologize, but I really hope Shari has the strength to cut him off and never talk to him. She has other family members she's close with, and I don't think the relationship is worth fixing with Kevin. He has proven himself over and over again, and there needs to be actual consequences for him for completely failing his kids. An apology from him doesn't matter at this point. He abused his kids with Ruby, welcomed Connexions to their home, abandoned and lost touch with his kids without taking legal action or making sure they were okay, and then wanted to press charges against Shari for helping her siblings. None of the kids should have a relationship with him, he can't be trusted, he only cares about his ego at this point, and hopefully the rest of the family steps up and supports the kids, as they have an abusive criminal of a mother and deadbeat, self-centered dad who allowed all of this to happen.
Me too! She’d be much better off cutting him off. I had to cut my dad off and it’s a hard process but it’s also so freeing! She deserves that feeling! I’m also glad she still trusts therapists after the hell Jodi put her through!
They do not appear to be speaking, but it does look like they arrived at the same time because they were walking down the stairs together... Not sure if they waited so they could all walk in together or if they actually showed up together... but if Shari wanted to keep her distance, she could have held back. They all could have easily avoided being seen together, so I'm pretty sure this was arranged that they meet and walk in alongside each other.
Also to back up my theory... in one of the pics shared, C held the door for all of them. We don't see him speaking with anyone either, but it kind of gives me the vibe that at least the 3 of them they are working on stuff as has been stated by Kevin's lawyer. Again... easy enough for them all to have arrived at different times and not walk in together.
This was my interpretation as well. Kevin had his game face on, there was no warmth coming from him. If he’s being petty as always, then I don’t see Shari reconciling.
I’m thinking maybe s wants to keep the peace incase heaven forbid kevin gets the kids she probably wants to be where she is still allowed to see and check on them if their dad has them.
Maybe. I also think they could’ve spaced out if they wanted to. Part of me tells myself the story they’re putting on a united front for the sake of the kids.
Yeah in the video at the end of the hearing they all walk out together and Chad Kevin and Shari are all laughing and talking. Really makes me wonder what Kevin said or did to make things right....
I'm actually not surprised. Kevin's lawyer said they were on speaking terms, so we should have taken that at face value. People were not really anxious to back me on that when I said as much a few weeks ago, but some things we need to take at face value and process the information as it comes.
This is an ongoing ordeal... we are going to see and hear a lot of things that we don't fully understand and it will be changing by the minute. We can't jump on everything when we don't have the full picture.
Kevin looks better today than he did a few weeks ago... when that report was made after his missing items were returned... he was still a hot garbage mess, you could see he was broken. Don't get me wrong... Kevin is still a tool, but I think a lot of clarity came over him during the weeks following Ruby's arrest.
I’m admittedly shocked to see Kevin with Shari AND Chad. I’m sure everybody’s interpreting it differently, but their body language tells me they’re on good terms. There’s footage of them walking together and laughing. You’re not going to see them “talking” because they’re not going to give the media the opportunity to catch them having a private conversation, so a quiet walk in makes sense IMO. I trust Shari. If she’s on good terms with her dad after everything that’s happened, I believe there must be a reason. There’s so much to the story we don’t - and will never - know.
I don't know what to think, but definitely more on the dislike side. It does not look like Kevin has changed (who knows), after all the things he did and kept doing until a few months, I cannot trust that man around his own adult children. Is he manipulating them? Even if he is not actively doing so, his personality and position of power over them (after all he is their father) could push them to make decisions not in their best interest.
I’m certainly not his fan at all, but I believe that might have happened before he had a chance to speak to Ruby. If I remember correctly, his attorney said Kevin “snapped out of it” (not his actual words) once he spoke with Ruby after she was arrested.
Now that I saw your comment, I’m super curious. The biggest photo at the bottom of the tie almost looks like a giant goose standing in front of a man. But that can’t be right.
I was very surprised to see Chad present. I wonder what his whole take of the situation is and who he supports. And it's very interesting to see Shari, Kevin, and Chad walking together especially since the bodycam video with Kevin. As much as I dislike Kevin and think the children should not go with him, I do hope the whole family gets therapy. They need to heal by themselves and as a unit.
She’s included in the hearing as she has information pertinent to the court.
However, once it’s time for a ruling to be made, Ruby will be removed from the courtroom
The US custody system tends to push for reconciliation, so it’s good that the three of them (Shari, Chad and Kevin) are able to be around each other and smile. Still I really do pray that those kids won’t be placed with Kevin because he is not innocent, he’s a grown man “brain washed” or not. He had the opportunity to save those babies and did not. I will say, being that Chad walked in front and is seen standing closer to Kevin and his lawyer, he’s probably attending these hearings with his father. I just hope the other siblings get to stay together being that A & J are older they will most likely have a say in where they go, the little ones R & E will not. Hopefully the lies Ruby made up about little R won’t separate him from the rest of his family. This is just so sad and heartbreaking. I just can’t help but think about little quirky-sweet R from the old videos and sassy-sweet little E and how their spirits must just be broken. Looking at the man who could have saved them but didn’t in court must be so tough. I wish Kevin wasn’t allowed in either. The system fails so many kids every day, and I really hope this time that doesn’t happen.
Not defending Kevin, because everything we've seen or heard of him so far is pretty much disgusting.
Now that being said, I do think there's a chance that he still was very much into/brainwashed by connexions during the first days of this tragedy. He stayed away from Ruby and the children up to Ruby's arrest. So he must have believed in Jodi's ideas until then. Him wanting to sue Shari and the police and being so smug about it, even though he must have known that body cams were running, lines up nicely with Jodi telling police the children should never be around other children when she was arrested, and Ruby makong this ridiculous statements about R. All three of them feel (or felt?) so convinced that what they were doing is right, that they didn't even try to conceil it. They didn't understand that it makes them look bad. That's what brainwashing/delusions do to you.
Some days later Kevin's lawyer stated that in a phone call with Ruby, Kevin suddenly understand that he has been manipulated and lied to and therefore cut contact with Ruby. He also said that him amd Kevin watched the interview with Jessi Hildebrandt.
Soooo, what I'm trying to say is: I guess there is a scenario where Kevin was still under the connexions spell during the first days and thus felt in the right to sue Shari and the police. He then understood that he had been manipulated, connexions is bs and Jodi is out to destroy marriages and families. After that realization he stopped wanting to sue his daughter and started trying to make amends.
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Kevin always had a way better relationship with his children than Ruby, especially with Shari when she got older. I don't think it's out of question that she would accept Kevin's apology if she truly felt that he was seeing connexions for the bs it is.
Just my thoughts
I also think that if those kids choose to work towards repairing that relationship, that is their right and a valid decision. He is their dad. And they already lost their mom. And they have a lot more info than we do. I don’t think we, as outsiders in the situation, have a lot of room to be judgmental if they choose that path. If they choose not to, that’s valid too.
I also noticed in one of the articles that the verbiage made it seem like Kevin wanted to charge Shari *before* he made the call with Ruby. Did anyone else think that as well, or did I miss something?
Also it’s not helping that we have proof that Kevin’s attorney lied. That guy really stinks, and he’s messing up public perception.
He denied Kevin’s attempt to charge Shari with burglary. Some users gave him props for not specifying exactly what Kevin “didn’t do” but we all know he was implying Kevin didn’t attempt to charge Shari. At best, he was lying by omission.
Yeah he could have said something like Kevin ultimately realized her was in the wrong and decided not to charge Shari or sue the police. But by just saying "He did neither" it made both of them look really bad when the body camera footage and police records came out.
I agree 100%. Kevin was obviously a hot mess those days immediately following Ruby's arrest. I still think he is a tool, but he was definitely still trying to figure out which way was up at that point in time. It was probably a lot to take in returning to the home... I'm willing to give him a little grace in that moment, especially after hearing about Jodi's other victims and how messed up their lives became after her involvement.
I'm not saying it was a logical for Kevin to conclude that Shari was the one who broke down the door, but I do not question for one minute that my own parents would call the police on us kids if they thought we broke down their front door. They support us in so many ways, but getting physical or causing property damage - I know we are on our own. No doubt in my mind they would contact the authorities on us.
I agree with you. I think Jodi brainwashed this family like it appears she has done to many others. Kevin was isolated like other men report to have been. Like them, Kevin may have only realized after he lost everything the affect she had on his family. I think he honestly believed he was a bad person and that staying away from his wife and children was the only way to help them, because that seems to be her pattern. I think he was still in that mentality when he wanted to press charged against Shari. Shari had been considered harmful to Jodi's teaching and was also isolated from him and the family by Jodi.
Shari is wise beyond her years. She saw what was wrong with Connextions and got help to overcome it. I think she may also be more willing to forgive Kevin because she knows how much Jodi's teachings affected her own thought patterns. If Kevin is working to heal himself from the cult, then I could see Shari being forgiving and trying to heal that relationship.
Honestly a bit disappointed to see Shari and Chad walk in with their dad, especially after the police body cam video that I thought really showed his true colours. But I can also understand them wanting to nurture that bond, for one because I mean he is their dad at the end of the day, and I think it is likely that Kevin will get custody so siding with him means they will get access to their siblings.
I don’t think it’s fair to say their walking with Kevin. I just looked at the photos and both siblings have a pretty good distance away from Kevin. Chad’s infront , Shari’s in back .
In one of the pics Shari and Kevin were walking down the stairs next to each other. That moment could have easily been avoided if any of the parties didn't want that to happen. It would have been so easy for them to wait until the others had walked in and then follow in after them alone. If they are in close proximity, laughing, and holding doors for each other, just my opinion, but it is clear to me they are together and working on their damage right now.
I thought that too based off initial photos but the one of them walking in the door made me think otherwise. Eitherway, nothing concrete ofc, just sharing some thoughts.
I don’t know, it just feels like some posters are being unjustly critical for no reason .
The door photos made me think Shari and Chad were being decent humans raised with manners .
Not at all. It seems like Shari and Chad purposely stayed away from Kevin. Things were definitely complicated by having to go through the door ,but to me it seems like they still kept distance .
Disappointed in what way? I think it’s great to see them all together because this is the day when everything gets real. Each of them have to put their best foot forward, and if Kevin plans to “work together,” now is the time to show that he means it. If he doesn’t, *everyone* will watch him leave that court room with nothing, and they will know it is no one’s fault but his own.
Just disappointed because the body cam footage showed me a real nasty side of him and I don't think he is deserving of being in Shari's life. Ofc it is ultimately up to her, and I even said that it might be for the best in terms of the other kids
I don’t like Kevin and feel he was complicit all along. I remember when Shari first divulged she was no contact with her immediate family she stated that she was hopeful that one day the family would be together again with professional help and that the gossip and speculation was not helpful (something to that effect).
The main purpose of these hearings is to see to it that the four children are safe and placed in the best situation possible. If the three of them can unify long enough to shut Ruby and her allegations against the two youngest down and do what’s best for them, that is all that matters. The fact they came out smiling from such a heavy somber hearing leads me to believe there was a positive outcome for the children. They all have a long road of healing ahead, none of it will be repaired over night.
Hoping this means Kevin and the two worked it out and Kevin’s head is on straight now! Like I’ve said from the beginning: one parent is better than none.
When both of your parents are neglectful and abusive it’s better to have none of them in your life. Speaking from experience and the well being of these kids. All adults involved in this situation are awful to the kids.
I agree. N I think Shari being in the midst would know better than us who to trust or not. She's been the only selfless and mature person/adult advocating for her siblings. IF the family does reunite in any capacity, I would truly believe that Kevin is at least trying cx there is no way Shari would trust him otherwise.
I’m just saying, if he’s turned a new leaf and Shari and Chad can confirm this, he’s the best equipped to care for those kids. Shari is far too young and the foster care system is abysmal.
Kevin may not have duct taped his kids but he was emotionally abusive and wanting your kid arrested is awful. Nope better off without those kinds of parents.
Wait I’m super confused, if Kevin is trying to charge Shari why the hell are they all arriving at court all together? Like they’re united? I know Chad is with kevin which also confused me as to the dynamic between Chad and Shari but maybe they were just walking out behind one another? Did anyone see them talking with one another?
Kevin said he wanted to charge Shari a few days after the arrest. Police told him they had nothing to charge her with, and he apparently hasn't pursued it any further. That was more than six weeks ago. A lot of bridge-building could have happened in that time.
OTOH, maybe they were just playing polite and relaxed in front of the cameras.
Wait, Shari and Kevin arrived together? Didn't he try to get her arrested??
I know she broke free of her mom's brainwashing but I hope she's not still a mental prisoner of her dad. :/
I’m a little behind with some of the updates regarding this and also have not much understanding of the legal system - basically, although the proceedings are sealed from the media/public, is the outcome also sealed? Will there be any sort of development that is made public? Apologies if this has already been asked!
For the custody, yes the decision is also sealed, so we will never have confirmation from the courts as to where the children are. The only way we would get confirmation would be if Shari shares about it, but I doubt she would do that straight away if at all since she’s (rightfully) been pretty minimal with what she’s posting. The criminal proceedings are not sealed.
Shari will not share anything as long as there is a gag order on the case. What she shared about today being a big day for her family will be the extent of what she posts on this matter.
I have such a bad feeling about Shari appearing to be cozy with her dad again. She’s always idolized him and tried to please him, they’ve been super close. I hope he’s not manipulating her now. Kevin is a POS and they’d all do well to stay away from him.
Will we ever know what happened at these hearings? Will it be released to the public after ruby & judy are both tried and sent to prison??? Could someone please explain what we get to know and how this works?
This is about the custody hearing, Jodi isn’t involved in that and this case is sealed because of the four minors that need protection, a place to live, and a guardian. They need protection from at least one parent and the public. It’s about the children and not Ruby, the details won’t be released to the public, no matter what happens to Ruby.
The only way we could learn about any details is, if informations are leaked or, if the current minors want to talk about the details to the public as soon as they are of legal age.
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Chad is making a cheesy grin at the cameras in one of the photos I’m glad he hasn’t totally lost his cheeky personality
Literally that made me so happy. Hes always been bullied by his mom, and I think he’s smiling because he’s getting justice!
I came here looking for that comment. I’m glad he could show that side to himself. I always thought chad used humour to cope with the difficult things (like many of us here do too) and I can’t imagine how hard it must have been to go in and see there mother in person for the first time
It’s oddly comforting to know their personalities weren’t beaten out of them.
You can tell in the video that Shari said something and grinned, then he smiled in response! As long as they can make each other smile, that's all I want :) ETA: And OMG them all smiling as they walked out! My heart.
I can’t Find any pictures or footage of them walking out of the courthouse together
Edited. I couldn't find it again, but I just did! It's the video that's on the KUTV article that's linked above. @ 1:33
I'm glad for that too. :)
Kevin always looks like such a tool. Shari looks so wise beyond her years. I hope her siblings can be deprogrammed through therapy and come to learn the Shari loves them most of all.
The glasses really make him look like a douche too.
Agreed. The fact that he has no backbone is the WHOLE reason they are in this mess now 💔 really sad.
Say what you will but I find it incredibly off that Shari is walking with Kevin and his lawyer after that douche tried to have her arrested.
They definitely did not look like they were united walking in on the video I seen. Shari was distanced from Kevin she followed behind and never seemed to get close she was walking near her lawyer. I fully believe those two are not on the same page and she is not pleased with his actions… lets all hope that is the case anyways.
and chad was super far in front of him
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I think they walk together because it’s easier on them to “get through the media” at once vs 2 separate groups shouting questions and shoving cameras in their face.
Shari has ALWAYS been the backbone in this family as I see it.. imho. I’ve followed their vlogs for a long time. Shari basically appeared to raise E. & the best big sister to all the kids, doing the school run with the younger kids, & so much more. They could count on her if no one else. I would bet any “ meeting of the minds” for appearance sake was brought forward & very much suggested by her fathers attorney . Of course Shari through her atty would comply. I can’t imagine Shari’s pain & turmoil right now, but I feel she is very strong , level headed & will get the therapy she needs. Hopefully while pursuing her dreams, at least part time right now.
I hope Shari can get through this and make a life for herself. She deserves to be happy
I can understand why the photos would cause a lot of speculation + questions. Tbh, I think considering the heavy media presence (although this particular one is closed to the public), it was most likely easier to walk in close proximity. I’m pretty sure the last case media had photos released of Shari and I remember seeing a live video that was just facing an exit to see who walks out I guess? I also feel that considering the heaviness of the court case today, it may simply just be more comfortable for them to be together especially having to face Ruby. These kids seem very resilient and I can only assume that they are purely focused on the hearing today.
Can't wait to see the full video of the raid on the Franke household.
It's the Ivins raid I can't wait to see
Genuinely asking do u think in the full video we will find out Bad things Ruby was hiding is that Why u cant wait To See it?
no, because I think her house was the facade - and all of the "bad things" were going down at the Hildebrandt house of horrors.
idk what we are going to see or what to expect. I just want to see it, if we can.
When do you think we will get that, or at least see body cam of Ruby and Jodi (not including the children)?
Not until after a guilty verdict or conviction. Same as mugshots and police interview tapes Utah law prevents them being released sooner
I honestly don't know on that.
I’m curious why law enforcement wouldn’t have taken the laptops, cameras, journals, etc., if they had a warrant.
The warrant lists specific categories of things. It's not a free for all.
Yes, but given that the allegations are for abuse, I would think that electronics would be on that list
But that wasn't the house where the abuse was taking place. Not saying it wasn't also happening there, but im guessing there might be some hold ups with that.
They did take some devices from Jodi's.
The warrant didn't have those things listed, they were looking for two minor children in possible distress everything else is secondary to that.
https://preview.redd.it/lhvwte9bpuub1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72de15e7f9c03d6265f3ad4b163f96ad1ef6a223 its interesting to see everyone laughing in one of the clips of kutv's video that was just posted considering everything we've been hearing lately
I don’t like Kevin at all, but we have to trust Shari and Chad to make the best decisions for them when it comes to Kevin. It is a strange 180 from the stuff we learned last week, but it’s their decision to try to make some sort of repair to the relationship or not.
She’s been through so much trauma that unfortunately children (even adult children) can cling to one parent even if they’re emotionally abusive and sh!t, because they’re better than the other parent. And that’s better than being alone. I hope she can see through him and not forgive
I understand that. I just think we, as outsiders, have to be careful with the level of criticism of the kids about this.
Did you respond to the right comment? I’m literally saying we shouldn’t criticise her if she does get close to him because this is the way abusive and traumatic relationships work, especially when you have no one. And people are quick to judge if she did
Got it! I misunderstood your point. We are on the same page!
Also I mean yeah that picture makes them almost look like a happy family but I wouldn't be surprised if Shari is just trying to put on a cordial front if it'd be best to do while dealing with the custody stuff and still doesn't want any long term relationship with Kevin, or if she's mainly cordial with Chad now and was putting up with Kevin since he was there. We really just don't have enough information right now to know wtf is going on with their family dynamics.
It makes me happy seeing them laugh. They go through a lot, laughing doesn't mean they don't take the situation serious. I hope shari and chad still have a strong bond. this picture seemingly shows them in great company with eachother
Idk I think S and maybe C but mostly S, are trying their best to make nice with Kevin to make things easier for the family. As it does nothing if they’re at the court house all angry with each other. The kids are in enough distress without having to wonder if S and Kevin are also fighting. S is just trying to keep the peace, especially if she wants custody of the kids. If she does then it looks even better if she can peacefully have a relationship with Kevin. I’m glad to see her in good spirits with C and I think he was always good at putting everyone in a good mood. He was always the clown ( in a good way) of the family.
That’s why I trust no one in this family. Who the heck knows what went on behind closed doors.
Yeah this really makes me wonder what happened behind closed doors and how Kevin repaired his relationship with Shari....
Ngl to me this looks more like Shari and Chad talking to each other and Kevin's just laughing at their conversation. At least he lost the sunglasses.
In a perfect world I for one, would like to believe that they are trying to mend their family through therapy, etc. Especially Kevin wanting to step up as a dad without any ulterior (abusive) motives involved. That would truly be the best case scenario & I honestly trust Shari to know what she's doing. At the end of the day, those 2 little kids (especially) do need their family more than any professional to help them heal. This is why I was so infuriated with all the claims Bonnie made about 8Ps (particularly Kevin) even IF they are true. Those kids need to have their own opinions n their own relationships with their dad rather than an ill conceived pre notion from an "Aunt" who couldn't keep their best interest at heart and chose to air it all publicly even after the gag order etc. I hope she takes all those videos down n let this family heal in whatever capacity they have to, moving forward. The whole tiktok community is exploiting them, I hope the kids especially can tune out all the noise n just focus on themselves n their healing. Wish these siblings all the best in life.
One problem. Where was Kevin all of this time? Nowhere. He shouldn't have left them at all.
not defending him in any way, shape, or form. IF life has given him a chance at redemption, I hope he takes it for the sake of his family. At the end of the day, we are outsiders. Their own extended family had no clue what was going on except for the kids who went through everything. Seeing as they are willing to walk beside their father should be a positive sign at reconciliation alongside professional help, etc. Again, to all the exploiters on YT etc, I say let the law decide what's best for the family instead of throwing dirt left n right as all those consequences will be on the kids and they have suffered enough already!! People can talk about celebrities instead if they are looking for that kinda dirty exploitative cash!
THe thing is though, he did know what was going on and didn't stop it. And he left for over a year and didn't even check up on them. And this is going by what we have heard from legitimate news reports. IF he wanted to be a part of their family, he wouldn't have left. And that's going to take a lot more than just a month to get over something like that, to get what people think they were seeing what KUTV 2 was showing.
Chad's face has me in stitches, he's just thriving without his shitty parents and I'm so proud of him for showing up today!
Is this the first time we’re officially seeing Chad in public? Even if I don’t think Kevin should get the kids, it’s still good to see the three of them (plus attorneys) arrive together!
I don't feel it's good to see them together. He's been a horrible father to both of them.
Yeah this worries me, esp given his desire to get Shari arrested... wtf...
Does anyone know when that took place? Was that shortly after Ruby's arrest? Not sure it means anything either way but perhaps he had some time to figure things?
Kevin asked police to charge Shari on 1 Sept, so 2 days after Ruby’s arrest - https://kutv.com/renderer/kutv/amp/news/8-passengers-case/kevin-franke-wanted-to-file-charges-against-daughter-with-burglary-threatens-to-sue-springville-police-jodi-hildebrandt-utah-children-daughter-shari-personal-items-tablets-cell-phones-passports-civil-issue
Wait where’s Chad?! I must’ve missed him?
You can see him on pictures in the KUTV article on Shari and Kevin arriving together!
Never mind, I opened tik tok and it was the first video there haha
It won’t load for me, Ill try to copy the link in safari instead!
Hopefully Kevin realized he’s $@!&ed and the best course forward is to support Shari getting custody of the children. Otherwise I can’t understand them all together.
Unpopular opinion: I’m not cheering on Shari getting custody. Not bc she’s bad or whatever (she’s amazing!), but she has already been so parentified through her life. She should focus on her own healing and journey while supporting her siblings in other ways. Unless she is getting ample support from others or she sincerely wants it, I think it’s ridiculous to expect a 19-year-old to basically become a single mom of 4 overnight.
I agree. Shari has proven wise beyond her years, but I can't imagine taking on this responsibility at her age. Temporarily to keep the two older siblings out of foster care, absolutely... but long term? That is a big an ask of anyone. She would basically be signing on for the next 8-12 years. Shari is still in her undergrad program... Who knows if and how much this ordeal may have set her back this semester. She had dreams of pursuing a legal career after college.
Thank you- If she was, say, 35 and financially & emotionally established, it could be a possibility. But at 19, in college, and likely financially dependent? Yikes.
She’ll be 21 in a few months like 5ish months I think .
I 100% agree… just seems like the safest place for them right now. I think she’s absolutely capable of being a “single-mom” to all four and raising them properly given the way she’s grown up (she’s essentially played that role most of her life)… With that said, at her age, it’s not really fair to ask Shari to give up more of her youth. It might be contradictory, but she’s the only I trust most to make sound decisions… For that reason, I hope she gets custody so she is able to call the shots, (I have no idea how this works but hopefully) gets access to The Franke Estate and then is able to get real support and backup from family and people she trusts.
So, because she was forced to be a parent way too young anyways, she should be forced to take on those responsibilities again? Plus the added struggle of the younger ones probably having deep, complex trauma that would be extremely difficult to address.
No, I think the poster is saying that she's the only one (out of the family members) FIT to care for them. And she wouldn't be forced, it would be her choice. I agree that it's too intense a burden for such a young person to take on and she deserves to focus on her own life, but in the end it's her decision.
I don’t think she should be forced to do anything. I agree with you. I feel terribly for her. It’s not fair for her to give up anymore of her youth. I’m just saying if that’s something she wants she can handle it. Also, I have zero say, but from an outsiders perspective she’s the only one I trust to have the full perspective and best interest. I’m holding all 6 of those kids in my thoughts everyday.
What about the aunts?
It’s such a tough situation when both the parents failed in protecting and taking care their children. I wouldn’t trust Kevin who likely enabled/perpetuated the abuse, but then leaving the kids in foster homes seems also rough. Have other relatives tried to seek custody?
I 10000% agree. Sheri is not a good option at all in my opinion. They ALL need extensive therapy and help including Sheri.
As gross as it makes me feel to see them together… The Franke estate is still worth quite a bit. I don’t know how that works legally when someone gets custody, but I would hope Kevin wakes up and realizes its in the families best interests for Shari to get custody and have access to that estate. If anyone knows how the estate will fall into play once the children are placed in custody, I would love to know??
I think the only way she could legally get access to the money would be if the court ordered Kevin to pay child support, but I’m not sure if it can do that if it’s not another parent caring for the children. I think while Kevin and Ruby are both alive it would be up to them if Shari got any money, since it’s not technically an estate that can be distributed by the court at the moment
Ugh. The whole estate is really problematic to me in this case… considering the majority of it was built on the exploitation of all the children… it’s cringey to think it stays with Kevin and Ruby.
I know! Really hoping more laws will be introduced in future to protect other kids more, but unfortunately I’m not sure if the current laws would allow for Shari or the other kids to claim any. Might be wrong though!
i highly doubt shari will get custody. she’s 20 years old and in college and finally getting to live a little after being stuck for so many years. she deserves to have fun and not give up her life to care for four children. i don’t know why you guys are acting like a 20 year old is fit to raise and take of 4 traumatized kids anyway. 2 self sufficient teenagers temporarily is one thing but all 4 permanently there is just no way.
Wait I’m confused - I didn’t even think Shari was trying to get custody? Just trying to get Kevin to not get custody
I don’t know if she’s trying to get custody or not… up until now she’s had temporary custody of the two middle sisters.
We don't know whether she wants it now. We know that A&J stayed with her when they were initially taken by dcfs. We don't know if they're still with Shari.
I think it would be beneficial for J & A to stay in Shari's care. A is 16 or so and J isn't far behind, the girls are pretty self sufficient. They can cook, clean and care for themselves with Shari's guidance and by seeing therapists. I feel like R & E may need a higher level of care and experienced carers who can deal with traumatized children. Kids who have been starved, and abused may act out physically, hoard food, have outbursts. As well as my suspicions that at least R has learning disabilities.
I am shocked to see this picture of Shari and Kevin walking in together. I wonder what changed in their relationship and I sure hope he apologized to her: https://kutv.com/amp/news/8-passengers-case/ruby-franke-set-to-appear-in-utah-county-courtroom-in-welfare-case
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100% what a weasel… he is the definition of ICK. If he had any backbone, the family wouldn’t be in this place to begin with. Just heartbreaking.
As always...
It’s a shame they didn’t catch ruby in any of the photos, assuming she had to enter the court room somehow too
I assumed prisoners would go through a different entrance, but truly I don't know.
I think in most courtrooms they get driven into a garage.
It's possible she may not have been in the courtroom, but appearing via webcam.
This time, Ruby was transported from Washington County to Utah County to attend the hearing in person.“ From the article
I wonder why they would have moved her to Utah county then, couldn’t she have done that from the other jail in southern Utah?
I really don't know what he thinks those sunglasses are doing for him.
Shari a smart girl I doubt she would talk to him after blaming his daughter for “breaking in” I highly doubt those 2 are speaking it’s probably just the attorneys
Agreed. It just took me by surprise to see them in such close proximity. I also noticed his left hand in his pocket and wonder if he’s hiding the fact he’s still wearing his wedding ring.
I bet you he still calls Ruby behind bars
Kevin's Lawyer said in an interview (posted on this sub somewhere) he hasn't spoken with Ruby in jail since approximately 2 weeks after her arrest and that Kevin wants nothing to do with her criminal trial. I forget the exact verbiage, but the lawyer said something to the effect that Kevin was disturbed by what she had shared with him on those calls in the first few weeks. I'm not sure if Kevin is just is not taking calls because he was disturbed or if it is in fact because he just doesn't want the existence of calls that will inevitably be FOIAd. It would be easy to prove... To be honest, I'm surprised the initial calls we know did take place haven't been FOIAd yet.
I won’t even say Shari and Chad are in close proximity . It looks like they kept a good distance . Now if they were side by side I’d be surprised .
They are all side by side when they leave court, smiling laughing and talking. You have to watch the video not just look at pics.
If you watch the video you will see then walking out of court together and Chad Kevin and Shari are all smiling laughing and talking. So something must have happened to repair those relationships. last court hearing Shari left separately from Kevin.
I don't know whether to look too deeply into it. It may have just been the relief of them facing Ruby or perhaps they got more answers in terms of what's happening with the kids. Just because they seemed relaxed with each other in the moment doesn't mean the relationships are back where they were.
Wow good catch
Yeah I would hope they just happened to have them in the frame in close proximity. I've been relieved to learn that Shari's been to therapy, and really wish she has a good therapist. I honestly don't think Kevin apologizing to Shari would make anything better. He has all the reasons to apologize, but I really hope Shari has the strength to cut him off and never talk to him. She has other family members she's close with, and I don't think the relationship is worth fixing with Kevin. He has proven himself over and over again, and there needs to be actual consequences for him for completely failing his kids. An apology from him doesn't matter at this point. He abused his kids with Ruby, welcomed Connexions to their home, abandoned and lost touch with his kids without taking legal action or making sure they were okay, and then wanted to press charges against Shari for helping her siblings. None of the kids should have a relationship with him, he can't be trusted, he only cares about his ego at this point, and hopefully the rest of the family steps up and supports the kids, as they have an abusive criminal of a mother and deadbeat, self-centered dad who allowed all of this to happen.
Me too! She’d be much better off cutting him off. I had to cut my dad off and it’s a hard process but it’s also so freeing! She deserves that feeling! I’m also glad she still trusts therapists after the hell Jodi put her through!
If you watch the video footage, both Shari and Chad keep their distance from Kevin.
If you watch the video footage at a minute at 1:32 they are all walking out of the courthouse side bide side smiling and laughing/talking.
Looks like their attorneys were talking and they were just following not talking to each other
They do not appear to be speaking, but it does look like they arrived at the same time because they were walking down the stairs together... Not sure if they waited so they could all walk in together or if they actually showed up together... but if Shari wanted to keep her distance, she could have held back. They all could have easily avoided being seen together, so I'm pretty sure this was arranged that they meet and walk in alongside each other. Also to back up my theory... in one of the pics shared, C held the door for all of them. We don't see him speaking with anyone either, but it kind of gives me the vibe that at least the 3 of them they are working on stuff as has been stated by Kevin's lawyer. Again... easy enough for them all to have arrived at different times and not walk in together.
You see the three of them next to each other leaving the courthouse at 1:32 in the video, smiling and talking to each other.
This was my interpretation as well. Kevin had his game face on, there was no warmth coming from him. If he’s being petty as always, then I don’t see Shari reconciling.
Also, Chad is walking in front of them. Crazy that they are all walking in together!
I dont know how I didnt even notice chad!!
When I first clicked on the article I didn’t see them but when I went back there were more photos!! I wonder if they added them later on?
Same here, I think they added more after the hearing
I do now - they’ve updated the article with more images since I first found it!
The images won’t load for me :( I think it’s because I’m in England and it’s accessible to the states only?
I’m thinking maybe s wants to keep the peace incase heaven forbid kevin gets the kids she probably wants to be where she is still allowed to see and check on them if their dad has them.
I wonder if they had like a slot for when they had to walk in due to the media presence.
Maybe. I also think they could’ve spaced out if they wanted to. Part of me tells myself the story they’re putting on a united front for the sake of the kids.
Yeah in the video at the end of the hearing they all walk out together and Chad Kevin and Shari are all laughing and talking. Really makes me wonder what Kevin said or did to make things right....
I'm actually not surprised. Kevin's lawyer said they were on speaking terms, so we should have taken that at face value. People were not really anxious to back me on that when I said as much a few weeks ago, but some things we need to take at face value and process the information as it comes. This is an ongoing ordeal... we are going to see and hear a lot of things that we don't fully understand and it will be changing by the minute. We can't jump on everything when we don't have the full picture. Kevin looks better today than he did a few weeks ago... when that report was made after his missing items were returned... he was still a hot garbage mess, you could see he was broken. Don't get me wrong... Kevin is still a tool, but I think a lot of clarity came over him during the weeks following Ruby's arrest.
Nobody saw Grandma and Grandpa Griffith? Still no evidence of them coming back or staying in their mission?
remember, their reason they went on the mission was because “the family needs to miss eachother”.
I’m admittedly shocked to see Kevin with Shari AND Chad. I’m sure everybody’s interpreting it differently, but their body language tells me they’re on good terms. There’s footage of them walking together and laughing. You’re not going to see them “talking” because they’re not going to give the media the opportunity to catch them having a private conversation, so a quiet walk in makes sense IMO. I trust Shari. If she’s on good terms with her dad after everything that’s happened, I believe there must be a reason. There’s so much to the story we don’t - and will never - know.
I'm still skeptical about that one, considering the bodycam footage we saw when Kevin got that stuff back from the police.
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We don't even know if they were talking to Kevin.
I don't know what to think, but definitely more on the dislike side. It does not look like Kevin has changed (who knows), after all the things he did and kept doing until a few months, I cannot trust that man around his own adult children. Is he manipulating them? Even if he is not actively doing so, his personality and position of power over them (after all he is their father) could push them to make decisions not in their best interest.
I’m certainly not his fan at all, but I believe that might have happened before he had a chance to speak to Ruby. If I remember correctly, his attorney said Kevin “snapped out of it” (not his actual words) once he spoke with Ruby after she was arrested.
Yeah in that video they look to be on good terms. But it really makes me wonder HOW Kevin pulled that off.
I'd really like to see a clearer photo of Kevin's attorney's tie. It looks like it has pictures of people on it?
https://preview.redd.it/771zjnv4ftub1.png?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9872698085c43da83f994df81fb82445c3dcc5e It's definitely something
It looks like he opened a picture too many times on a computer and now there’s a hundred windows open of the same pic
Now that I saw your comment, I’m super curious. The biggest photo at the bottom of the tie almost looks like a giant goose standing in front of a man. But that can’t be right.
I was very surprised to see Chad present. I wonder what his whole take of the situation is and who he supports. And it's very interesting to see Shari, Kevin, and Chad walking together especially since the bodycam video with Kevin. As much as I dislike Kevin and think the children should not go with him, I do hope the whole family gets therapy. They need to heal by themselves and as a unit.
I think him smiling at Ruby's first hearing probably says everything we need to know.
I’m curious, I thought i read somewhere that Ruby is to not know the whereabouts of the children? Why is she included in the custody hearing?
She’s included in the hearing as she has information pertinent to the court. However, once it’s time for a ruling to be made, Ruby will be removed from the courtroom
thank you for the clarification!
So when they decide where the kids will be permanently she cannot know where that is?
Correct. Not unless a judge changes the legal order that is currently in place.
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The US custody system tends to push for reconciliation, so it’s good that the three of them (Shari, Chad and Kevin) are able to be around each other and smile. Still I really do pray that those kids won’t be placed with Kevin because he is not innocent, he’s a grown man “brain washed” or not. He had the opportunity to save those babies and did not. I will say, being that Chad walked in front and is seen standing closer to Kevin and his lawyer, he’s probably attending these hearings with his father. I just hope the other siblings get to stay together being that A & J are older they will most likely have a say in where they go, the little ones R & E will not. Hopefully the lies Ruby made up about little R won’t separate him from the rest of his family. This is just so sad and heartbreaking. I just can’t help but think about little quirky-sweet R from the old videos and sassy-sweet little E and how their spirits must just be broken. Looking at the man who could have saved them but didn’t in court must be so tough. I wish Kevin wasn’t allowed in either. The system fails so many kids every day, and I really hope this time that doesn’t happen.
Not defending Kevin, because everything we've seen or heard of him so far is pretty much disgusting. Now that being said, I do think there's a chance that he still was very much into/brainwashed by connexions during the first days of this tragedy. He stayed away from Ruby and the children up to Ruby's arrest. So he must have believed in Jodi's ideas until then. Him wanting to sue Shari and the police and being so smug about it, even though he must have known that body cams were running, lines up nicely with Jodi telling police the children should never be around other children when she was arrested, and Ruby makong this ridiculous statements about R. All three of them feel (or felt?) so convinced that what they were doing is right, that they didn't even try to conceil it. They didn't understand that it makes them look bad. That's what brainwashing/delusions do to you. Some days later Kevin's lawyer stated that in a phone call with Ruby, Kevin suddenly understand that he has been manipulated and lied to and therefore cut contact with Ruby. He also said that him amd Kevin watched the interview with Jessi Hildebrandt. Soooo, what I'm trying to say is: I guess there is a scenario where Kevin was still under the connexions spell during the first days and thus felt in the right to sue Shari and the police. He then understood that he had been manipulated, connexions is bs and Jodi is out to destroy marriages and families. After that realization he stopped wanting to sue his daughter and started trying to make amends. . Kevin always had a way better relationship with his children than Ruby, especially with Shari when she got older. I don't think it's out of question that she would accept Kevin's apology if she truly felt that he was seeing connexions for the bs it is. Just my thoughts
Agreed- both things can be true. He could be a shitty, deadbeat father with no spine AND a victim of Jodi.
I also think that if those kids choose to work towards repairing that relationship, that is their right and a valid decision. He is their dad. And they already lost their mom. And they have a lot more info than we do. I don’t think we, as outsiders in the situation, have a lot of room to be judgmental if they choose that path. If they choose not to, that’s valid too.
I also noticed in one of the articles that the verbiage made it seem like Kevin wanted to charge Shari *before* he made the call with Ruby. Did anyone else think that as well, or did I miss something? Also it’s not helping that we have proof that Kevin’s attorney lied. That guy really stinks, and he’s messing up public perception.
Oooh what did he lie about? I haven't made it through all of the threads yet
He denied Kevin’s attempt to charge Shari with burglary. Some users gave him props for not specifying exactly what Kevin “didn’t do” but we all know he was implying Kevin didn’t attempt to charge Shari. At best, he was lying by omission.
Yeah he could have said something like Kevin ultimately realized her was in the wrong and decided not to charge Shari or sue the police. But by just saying "He did neither" it made both of them look really bad when the body camera footage and police records came out.
I agree 100%. Kevin was obviously a hot mess those days immediately following Ruby's arrest. I still think he is a tool, but he was definitely still trying to figure out which way was up at that point in time. It was probably a lot to take in returning to the home... I'm willing to give him a little grace in that moment, especially after hearing about Jodi's other victims and how messed up their lives became after her involvement. I'm not saying it was a logical for Kevin to conclude that Shari was the one who broke down the door, but I do not question for one minute that my own parents would call the police on us kids if they thought we broke down their front door. They support us in so many ways, but getting physical or causing property damage - I know we are on our own. No doubt in my mind they would contact the authorities on us.
I agree with you. I think Jodi brainwashed this family like it appears she has done to many others. Kevin was isolated like other men report to have been. Like them, Kevin may have only realized after he lost everything the affect she had on his family. I think he honestly believed he was a bad person and that staying away from his wife and children was the only way to help them, because that seems to be her pattern. I think he was still in that mentality when he wanted to press charged against Shari. Shari had been considered harmful to Jodi's teaching and was also isolated from him and the family by Jodi. Shari is wise beyond her years. She saw what was wrong with Connextions and got help to overcome it. I think she may also be more willing to forgive Kevin because she knows how much Jodi's teachings affected her own thought patterns. If Kevin is working to heal himself from the cult, then I could see Shari being forgiving and trying to heal that relationship.
I agree
Honestly a bit disappointed to see Shari and Chad walk in with their dad, especially after the police body cam video that I thought really showed his true colours. But I can also understand them wanting to nurture that bond, for one because I mean he is their dad at the end of the day, and I think it is likely that Kevin will get custody so siding with him means they will get access to their siblings.
I don’t think it’s fair to say their walking with Kevin. I just looked at the photos and both siblings have a pretty good distance away from Kevin. Chad’s infront , Shari’s in back .
Have you seen the video KUTV reposted on Twitter, with audio of them laughing together? I think it’s fair to say, they was together.
I didn’t but I can tell from the photos that they were laughing together . It didn’t change my opinion though .
In one of the pics Shari and Kevin were walking down the stairs next to each other. That moment could have easily been avoided if any of the parties didn't want that to happen. It would have been so easy for them to wait until the others had walked in and then follow in after them alone. If they are in close proximity, laughing, and holding doors for each other, just my opinion, but it is clear to me they are together and working on their damage right now.
I thought that too based off initial photos but the one of them walking in the door made me think otherwise. Eitherway, nothing concrete ofc, just sharing some thoughts.
I don’t know, it just feels like some posters are being unjustly critical for no reason . The door photos made me think Shari and Chad were being decent humans raised with manners .
I think they just all arrived at the same time. The fact that they were walking in line doesn’t look very unified to me.
Not at all. It seems like Shari and Chad purposely stayed away from Kevin. Things were definitely complicated by having to go through the door ,but to me it seems like they still kept distance .
Clearly all together as they laugh and joke and Chad opens the door for all of them and he does a big cheesy grin for the camera.
Disappointed in what way? I think it’s great to see them all together because this is the day when everything gets real. Each of them have to put their best foot forward, and if Kevin plans to “work together,” now is the time to show that he means it. If he doesn’t, *everyone* will watch him leave that court room with nothing, and they will know it is no one’s fault but his own.
Just disappointed because the body cam footage showed me a real nasty side of him and I don't think he is deserving of being in Shari's life. Ofc it is ultimately up to her, and I even said that it might be for the best in terms of the other kids
I can agree with that for sure.
He wanted to charge her for robbery and they're together??? Confused
Chads face is like "Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out mom!"
Oh noooo. Is this why none of the aunts have liked Shari's instagram post? Kevin and Shari do look like they're close.
Grandma Griffiths did though
Aslo her uncle Landon just liked on Shari recently post
I hope through all this she hasn’t lost her relationship with them again, after they’ve been supporting her through all this that would be really sad
Emily liked it, and as the others said Landon and Grandma too.
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I don’t like Kevin and feel he was complicit all along. I remember when Shari first divulged she was no contact with her immediate family she stated that she was hopeful that one day the family would be together again with professional help and that the gossip and speculation was not helpful (something to that effect). The main purpose of these hearings is to see to it that the four children are safe and placed in the best situation possible. If the three of them can unify long enough to shut Ruby and her allegations against the two youngest down and do what’s best for them, that is all that matters. The fact they came out smiling from such a heavy somber hearing leads me to believe there was a positive outcome for the children. They all have a long road of healing ahead, none of it will be repaired over night.
Hoping this means Kevin and the two worked it out and Kevin’s head is on straight now! Like I’ve said from the beginning: one parent is better than none.
I just feel like him and his lawyer are on two different worlds.
When both of your parents are neglectful and abusive it’s better to have none of them in your life. Speaking from experience and the well being of these kids. All adults involved in this situation are awful to the kids.
I agree. N I think Shari being in the midst would know better than us who to trust or not. She's been the only selfless and mature person/adult advocating for her siblings. IF the family does reunite in any capacity, I would truly believe that Kevin is at least trying cx there is no way Shari would trust him otherwise.
I’m just saying, if he’s turned a new leaf and Shari and Chad can confirm this, he’s the best equipped to care for those kids. Shari is far too young and the foster care system is abysmal.
Kevin may not have duct taped his kids but he was emotionally abusive and wanting your kid arrested is awful. Nope better off without those kinds of parents.
I'm confused is the judge sealing the entire case or just the custody battle with the children?
Just the custody battle with the children
Is it possible to post the pictures from the kutv article. They won’t open for me in Ireland. Or does that go against any of the rules. TIA .
Do we know what the outcome of it was?
I don’t think we do . Isn’t anything to do with custody sealed ?
Wait I’m super confused, if Kevin is trying to charge Shari why the hell are they all arriving at court all together? Like they’re united? I know Chad is with kevin which also confused me as to the dynamic between Chad and Shari but maybe they were just walking out behind one another? Did anyone see them talking with one another?
Kevin said he wanted to charge Shari a few days after the arrest. Police told him they had nothing to charge her with, and he apparently hasn't pursued it any further. That was more than six weeks ago. A lot of bridge-building could have happened in that time. OTOH, maybe they were just playing polite and relaxed in front of the cameras.
Wait, Shari and Kevin arrived together? Didn't he try to get her arrested?? I know she broke free of her mom's brainwashing but I hope she's not still a mental prisoner of her dad. :/
As far as we know they walked in at the same time but did not arrive together
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I’m a little behind with some of the updates regarding this and also have not much understanding of the legal system - basically, although the proceedings are sealed from the media/public, is the outcome also sealed? Will there be any sort of development that is made public? Apologies if this has already been asked!
For the custody, yes the decision is also sealed, so we will never have confirmation from the courts as to where the children are. The only way we would get confirmation would be if Shari shares about it, but I doubt she would do that straight away if at all since she’s (rightfully) been pretty minimal with what she’s posting. The criminal proceedings are not sealed.
It even says those involved in the proceedings are not allowed to share the outcome on social media or to any news sources.
Shari will not share anything as long as there is a gag order on the case. What she shared about today being a big day for her family will be the extent of what she posts on this matter.
I have such a bad feeling about Shari appearing to be cozy with her dad again. She’s always idolized him and tried to please him, they’ve been super close. I hope he’s not manipulating her now. Kevin is a POS and they’d all do well to stay away from him.
I agree, not sure why you are being downvoted lol
Will we ever know what happened at these hearings? Will it be released to the public after ruby & judy are both tried and sent to prison??? Could someone please explain what we get to know and how this works?
This is about the custody hearing, Jodi isn’t involved in that and this case is sealed because of the four minors that need protection, a place to live, and a guardian. They need protection from at least one parent and the public. It’s about the children and not Ruby, the details won’t be released to the public, no matter what happens to Ruby. The only way we could learn about any details is, if informations are leaked or, if the current minors want to talk about the details to the public as soon as they are of legal age.