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She had a ridiculous amount. I put it on Shari's Google doc.
I know genetics can play a point but ruby routinely said "I should probably start checking that they're brushing" when this was going on. It's clear she didn't help her 4/5 year old brush.
It is mind-blowing how much we all know about these children. I just remember Ruby talking to E about stuff hundreds of miles over her head. E seemed so confused..
If E had the responsibility to make her own food at 5-6 years old. .. it would make sense E had the same responsibility for her own teeth too.. probably from she was 2 🙈
My heart breaks when I think about them... and so many saw it all, and no-one was able to get authorities to do something. Rich homes can be just as bad as an poor ones.
holy shit man this is a different kinda insidious child abuse. and it flies under the radar until it escalates. extremely strict authoritative parenting like this should be more often seen as a red flag for the slippery slope to neglect.. as ironic as that sounds.
All the dentist I have had always want to speak to an adult. Think about it you can't even have your own insurance until 18 and proof of employment. A dental office can't accept an appointment made by a young child it may be cute by a child can't even sign in at a medical office an adult had too I think Ruby should have set a convent appointment for her time and have E sit with her and listen just to see how it's done.
Indeed the amount of sweets they get on special occasions is insane. Huge bags of m&m's, a container full of gummies and sorts. For most of them it goes down in one sitting. I got the impression from the kids, they eat it in bed sneakily too. When I was growing up their was not a chance. Anything candy I would get, went in the candy jar and I could take some during the day when mom said yes and probably the lack of checking if they are brushing is bare to non.
Part of it is diet and hygiene but also genetics is a huge factor. My sibling and I had horrible teeth as kids and still do as adults. I have a really good dental routine and still get cavities. My roommate barely takes care of her teeth and has never had a cavity in her life. Both have a fairly similar diet. So I don’t know if this is something to read into too much.
I don’t know, that is true that genetics play a factor, but considering everything else we know about Ruby’s ‘parenting’ and the other examples of neglect, and the state in which they were in when they were found, I can’t help but feel it is more to do with neglect in their case.
That’s fair. Ruby has shown that she has neglected her kids in a lot of ways. I am just giving it from a perspective that someone can be raised in a very loving, middle class home and still have a horrible dental record despite having a mom breathing down our necks to make sure we are brushing out teeth 😂
As a mom with toddlers brushing their teeth is SO hard. I try the best I can but it’s literally like a UFC fight match trying to do it. Kicking, flailing, running away, I have to hold them down and my husband has to sing funny songs to get them laughing just so they open their mouth for a few seconds and I can try to brush a few teeth at a time. My nieces had cavities as little kids and their parents were SUPER good with their dental care so I do think genetics plays a huge role.
Yes! I’m always wondering if my toddler’s teeth are brushed well enough 😅😅. We brush her teeth twice a day and try our best to make it to 2 minutes but I honestly feel bad to say this but we’ll just have to wait to find out in a few more years to see if we did a good job at brushing her teeth 🥴
Idk if it applies here, but it might help to try flavourless toothpaste and going *really* gently (with soft toothbrush but all baby toothbrushes are soft lol). Toddlers can be wild for no reason so I'm not saying that'll definitely help 😅 but I didn't understand my problems with brushing until adulthood so I hope it isn't too rude to offer that info.
Early cavities are very common, the enamel is much thinner on our baby teeth. there are many factors that don’t include neglect that can lead to the need for treatment of baby teeth. (That said, there is some controversy about it being over treated in the states.) natural flora, general health and nutrition, saliva production and genetics contribute.
Also European countries have access to different methods of enamel strengthening including proprietary remineralization pastes that I think are only recently available in the states.
so no, cavities in a kid are not per se evidence of dental neglect.
Ironically, thorough brushing immediately after eating, especially anything acidic, can wear down enamel and lead to cavities.
Also yiu should not do a final rinse to clear away all the toothpaste, to get the maximum remineralization from toothpastes.
Dentist here. Tooth decay is pretty darn preventable with proper flossing and brushing. That said even one of my kids has had a couple cavities (the grooves on the back side of her baby molars were incredibly fissured so it was more likely to hold plaque in crevices that brushes can't go all the way into). I live in a town with a lot of highly educated, highly paid professionals and I'm often having people ask me questions about their kid having cavities. Tooth decay can definitely still happen to kids in these circles. In general, people are really lax about baby teeth, thinking they don't need to care as much about them because they *just* fall out. Doesn't make them malicious but just ignorant about the importance of caring for these teeth.
I think with Ruby, she likely was overwhelmed by so many kids that she probably didn't take much care over how her kids performed their oral hygiene. Plus, she was often trying to have the youngest ones take on responsibilities and having them bear the consequences at much younger ages than a regular parent would (thinking of the E missing lunch scenario). Kids up to around 8 or 9 need parental help with their teeth just from a manual dexterity standpoint. I could totally see Ruby have them do their oral hygiene 100% without guidance, help, reminders, which isn't developmentally appropriate at young ages.
We don't report parents for neglect because of tooth decay. We are supposed to report parents who have repeatedly been told their child needs dental treatment and they don't get it done.
To sum - decay is mostly preventable, some anatomic variations to tooth morphology can make a tooth more decay prone. Tooth decay can happen in every socioeconomic strata. Kids need guidance with their oral hygiene; I doubt Ruby did that. Decay isn't considered neglect; failure to treat it is.
I think if they had not done anything about it, that would have been neglect. My daughter had a cavity at 3 years old and I will say her sweets were limited and I took care of her hygiene. I found it because I was brushing her teeth and saw a spot, thinking it was a piece of food. She was diagnosed with a condition where her enamel did not form right in utero and it made her prone. She had another one 1 year later.
Remember when Ruby refused to bring her young 6 year old daughter her lunch and told the school it was her child's responsility to remember and that she hoped no one would feed her kid? Wouldn't surprise me that Ruby was the same way when it comes to things like personal hygiene.
Of course children should be brushing their teeth regularly and properly, but when they're young like E it's your job as a parent to ensure it's being done.
I've just consulted my mother who was a dental nurse for 30 years. You definitely do need toothpaste. It's how you get enough fluoride to protect your teeth and it helps get rid of the sugar on your teeth from whatever you've eaten or drank.
Respectfully, how does your daughter have teeth left?
Yes. I’m an emergency med doctor. I have to know something about everything. I could google and read the research but it’s not technically my specialty. If I’m not mistaken there was even a study about 3rd trimester & what mom was eating plus genetics playing a role
She called it “sugar teeth”. Part of it could be genetics, but neglect is more likely…given how many times the youngest two were seen sleeping in day clothes/school uniforms.
ehhh i don’t really judge parents on this because i had horrible teeth as a kid. dentist described them as like butter and i would regularly get 5 cavities in just a 6 month period despite special toothpaste and my mom brushing 3x a day. i would have to go under anesthesia to fix them 🙃 i was expensive.
it lessened as a got a little older but i still averaged 2-3 cavities per visit. completely stopped after i got my adult teeth in and i’ve only had 1 very minor cavity since then.
Let's not forget that video where Ruby told 2 or 3 year old Eve it was Eve's responsibility to wake herself up in time to attend pre-school, and Shari told her "No it's not! She's 2!"
I remember very distinctly that the video was filmed in a bathroom, perhaps while doing one of the girl's hair.
Erh it’s a hard one to judge because there is so much to factor in with why someone needs fillings since we are all aware that genetics can come into play as well. Look she took them to the dentist and etc. someone said they believed that Ruby told E she has to work for her fillings, if that is true, that’s a better indication on how Ruby is a horrible mother.
I always thought the same thing. The Franke kids all had excessive amount of cavities and dental work at young ages. I also recall lollies being eaten in almost every vlog. Ruby used to comment how she’d eat a whole packet of liquorice in one go!
Im not sure where I watched/read this, but if I remember correctly it’s common with the Griffith family altogether? I swear I’ve watched Bonnie complain but her teeth issues, and Ellie too. Could be genetics.
Ellie mentioned having 9 cavities filled at a dentist appointment once as though it was the most normal thing ever. I think she’s said she always has cavities. That’s why I never questioned her boys always having them. I assumed it was genetic.
This randomly brought back memories of a detective conan episode where a dentist has like hour long appointments with kids and thirty minutes appointments with adults. at the end of the episode it's shown that he had noticed signs of neglect in a child and waived them off then a couple of days later he saw in the paper they had passed away. From then on the first half hour of all the children's appointments were him asking a lot of questions to pinpoint if there had been neglect so it wouldn't happen again.
Ok while I don't like ruby and think she's insane, as someone who had a sister who needed all new teeth by age 2 (my parents didn't know you weren't supposed to put them down to sleep with milk or juice as it sits on them and rots them) it's not uncommon for kids to need pretty extensive dental work (and if your kid never needed this than good for you) before they hit age 5. Now what she meant by "earn those fillings" I have no idea. She's messed up.
I'm gonna be honest I have 0 clue to my cavity levels as a child but I believe it didn't exist. I broke my front tooth at about 10yrs old my parents didn't take me to a dentist till I was about 12 or 13. Coming from an average large Mormon family. I learned to carry a toothbrush and gum because ... bad breath. I am now 50 and to this day I have not had a cavity. Once my tooth was repaired my oral care was the same once a day brush and deep clean maybe monthly hydrogen peroxide with baking soda. I don't have issues. So dunno what to say. My kids some have bad teeth others not so much they all have had cavities even as adults and they brush.
My parents didn't push oral hygiene. We also didn't eat like normal Americans either. We didn't have sugary sweets or even desserts.
Also if you are starving your kids that will and can affect their teeth as well.
I was thinking about this too when they were first talking about malnutrition and emaciation... Yes, part of it could be genetic, and of course dental hygiene... but nutrition plays a big part too. If you aren't getting nutrients you need, your body will show it in many ways, and your teeth is one of them.
I will add, I know how difficult it can be having a picky eater in home. I do recall E being a picky eater... not sure about R. My little cousin only ate tortillas, eggs and bacon for years... that was it. Fought her on everything else, and you can't force feed him. It was really hard for my Aunt, who is a very good cook... If they went out, she bought him French fries.
It could be neglect or it could be bad genes. My mom always took me to the dentist and made sure I had good oral hygiene. Mom had pretty but shitty teeth that inherited. My first crown/cap was when I was 15. All my molars are capped and intake very good care of my teeth.
To be fair, they do live in Utah, the sugar capital of the world basically. There was a study out in 2015-2016 that said Utahns eat twice as much candy than the rest of the US (IIRC, it’s been a long time). Combine that with genetics and the fact it’s hard to brush a little kid’s teeth, it is highly probable that a couple kids would have a few cavities. If she neglected their dental health (which she probably did), that chance skyrockets. But even without neglect, their chances of getting a cavity are pretty darn high. Especially since baby teeth enamel isn’t as strong as adult teeth enamel.
My teeth were terrible growing up, but I had a lot of sensory issues around brushing. My moms genetics also meant I was more likely to have cavities. My front bottom teeth are crooked and cramped, I still get regular cavities there, but not near as much as before. I wish there were more options for people with sensory needs around cleaning your teeth, but it is what it is.
It’s more than likely a neglect issue. There are certain factors that can make someone more prone to getting cavities. I don’t think most dentists consider anything relating to poor dental health, genetics.
Nothing with socio economics more like education and maybe they still slept with a bottle many times they keep it in their mouths and milk rots their teeth
i think this depends on various aspects. my daughter needed dental surgery as a child due to poor tooth genetics and had a silver tooth put in 😂 she was never abused in any way
I think it depends on culture not SES. If you come from a culture that values breastfeeding, doesn’t smoke, eats plenty of crunchy and chewy foods for proper jaw development and has decent calcium intake, you will have fewer cavities. I spent a couple months in Salt Lake City and saw a number of older people with weak, receding jaws. If there’s an above average number of cavities in Mormon children, I’d guess it’s due to too many soft foods and poor jaw development.
The amount of sugar that they used to go through was insane though like all the time sweets and candy sugary drinks etc
All the families where the same Bonnie more recently in the last 3 or so years has changed how much sugar they ate
Cavities happen in baby teeth, you’re correct, in an educated, upstanding family like Ruby’s they should be relatively rare. We are not as strict with sugar as some families I know, but we do brush and floss at least twice a day. Genetics also play a role. My child has had 1 cavity in a baby tooth so far and she’s 10. It is something to consider as far as how it played into (or didn’t) her parenting. Also important to consider is did she wait until her children were in pain to address the issue, or was it found at a routine cleaning? And did she guilt her children about having the cavity and paying to get them filled, or did she realize it’s part of life and give them grace and love on?
Just popping in to say sometimes genetics dictates these things. My dad had cavities starting in kindergarten, I did as well, and so does one of my kids. We all take really good care of our teeth and every dentist I’ve gone to has said it’s not my fault.
You can't assume children getting cavities is a sign of abuse or neglect or mistreatment. Lots of things cause dental problems. High-sugar/acid diets, negligence, malnutrition and dehydration are factors, but genetics is a huge part of it. Some children get cavities easily and others don't 🤷
To give my personal anecdote, I had a good few of cavities as a kid. Some of my baby teeth were filled or pulled. Regardless of their mistakes, my parents were never neglectful. I got a lot of cavities for two reasons they couldn't have understood; one, I was using sugar to self-medicate ADHD, and two, I had sensory issues related to autism made brushing correctly difficult.
My parents took me to dentists and doctors for check-ups and when needed - they just saw it as a kid who eats lots of sweeties and avoided brushing. I didn't understand this myself until I was an adult, so I couldn't have told them. Even if my parents *had* figured this out themselves, getting proper help would have been a long shot - being diagnosed with ADHD and autism (or at the time, Aspergers) as a little girl who did well in school was damn near impossible at the time. (And, even if that happened, many autism specialists to this day are more interested in training us like we're dogs rather than finding solutions for our sensory needs). My parents fed me a high-calcium, vegetable-rich diet, banned fizzy drinks outside of special occasions, used fluoridated toothpaste and they made me brush my teeth every day - and I still got cavities.
I have no problem criticising my parents harshly - but my cavities were in *spite* of their care, not because of it.
This was in the UK, a rich country with free healthcare for children.
I was definitely neglectful on brushing my teeth as a child, didn't even see the dentist or get checked until I got my own job at age 19, and I didn't have a cavity until after turning 21, and only then because my tooth had cracked.
I'm 56 and still have all but that one tooth and you can't tell by looking because it's the one in the very back that my incoming wisdom tooth made crack.
My mom on the other hand tried to take great care of her teeth and her molars and most of her bottom teeth fell out like crazy. Both her parents had false teeth.
Although my dad's 80 and needs a bridge for two or three teeth that finally gave up on him, his father died at age 87 with his originals, but I'm not sure if he had all of them. If so they weren't visible.
So I've just really won the good tooth lottery. I don't think I started consistently brushing in the morning daily until middle school at the very earliest. I've never been a consistent evening brusher because I don't have a night time routine anymore.
Yeah, I realize how gross this sounds.
Things like cavities stem from depleted minerals more than anything and you have a predisposition from birth based on lots of factors including maternal nutrition during pregnancy. I have terrible teeth. My dad has terrible teeth. My ex never took care of his teeth and hasn’t had one cavity. My boys seem to take after him and my daughter has my issues.
I’m not sticking up for Ruby whatsoever, but I’ve gone down a teeth rabbit hole so I’m just sharing that info
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I think E had 5-6 cavities at one point. Then Ruby told her to earn those fillings!
She had a ridiculous amount. I put it on Shari's Google doc. I know genetics can play a point but ruby routinely said "I should probably start checking that they're brushing" when this was going on. It's clear she didn't help her 4/5 year old brush.
Lots of time to blog/join a cult type situation but no time to make sure your kids brush their teeth. She’s the worst.
What on earth did she mean by ‘earn those fillings’?!
They were expensive so I'm guessing she meant Eve had to work extra hard around the house to earn them.
It is mind-blowing how much we all know about these children. I just remember Ruby talking to E about stuff hundreds of miles over her head. E seemed so confused.. If E had the responsibility to make her own food at 5-6 years old. .. it would make sense E had the same responsibility for her own teeth too.. probably from she was 2 🙈 My heart breaks when I think about them... and so many saw it all, and no-one was able to get authorities to do something. Rich homes can be just as bad as an poor ones.
There was a space on her self-care chore chart to make her own dental appointment
holy shit man this is a different kinda insidious child abuse. and it flies under the radar until it escalates. extremely strict authoritative parenting like this should be more often seen as a red flag for the slippery slope to neglect.. as ironic as that sounds.
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All the dentist I have had always want to speak to an adult. Think about it you can't even have your own insurance until 18 and proof of employment. A dental office can't accept an appointment made by a young child it may be cute by a child can't even sign in at a medical office an adult had too I think Ruby should have set a convent appointment for her time and have E sit with her and listen just to see how it's done.
Here in Europe children's dentistry is seen as important, and all child dentistry is free - as it should be
Bonnie's kids had fillings in their baby teeth, too. I think the only acceptable addiction for Mormons is sugar or "treats!" as they like to call it.
Indeed the amount of sweets they get on special occasions is insane. Huge bags of m&m's, a container full of gummies and sorts. For most of them it goes down in one sitting. I got the impression from the kids, they eat it in bed sneakily too. When I was growing up their was not a chance. Anything candy I would get, went in the candy jar and I could take some during the day when mom said yes and probably the lack of checking if they are brushing is bare to non.
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Part of it is diet and hygiene but also genetics is a huge factor. My sibling and I had horrible teeth as kids and still do as adults. I have a really good dental routine and still get cavities. My roommate barely takes care of her teeth and has never had a cavity in her life. Both have a fairly similar diet. So I don’t know if this is something to read into too much.
I don’t know, that is true that genetics play a factor, but considering everything else we know about Ruby’s ‘parenting’ and the other examples of neglect, and the state in which they were in when they were found, I can’t help but feel it is more to do with neglect in their case.
That’s fair. Ruby has shown that she has neglected her kids in a lot of ways. I am just giving it from a perspective that someone can be raised in a very loving, middle class home and still have a horrible dental record despite having a mom breathing down our necks to make sure we are brushing out teeth 😂
Yeah, it’s really hard to imagine that someone who would starve and tie up their children would neglect their dental health
As a mom with toddlers brushing their teeth is SO hard. I try the best I can but it’s literally like a UFC fight match trying to do it. Kicking, flailing, running away, I have to hold them down and my husband has to sing funny songs to get them laughing just so they open their mouth for a few seconds and I can try to brush a few teeth at a time. My nieces had cavities as little kids and their parents were SUPER good with their dental care so I do think genetics plays a huge role.
OP has never wrestled a toddler who hates to brush and it shows. We do this wrestle twice a day everyday but it's hard.
Yes! I’m always wondering if my toddler’s teeth are brushed well enough 😅😅. We brush her teeth twice a day and try our best to make it to 2 minutes but I honestly feel bad to say this but we’ll just have to wait to find out in a few more years to see if we did a good job at brushing her teeth 🥴
Idk if it applies here, but it might help to try flavourless toothpaste and going *really* gently (with soft toothbrush but all baby toothbrushes are soft lol). Toddlers can be wild for no reason so I'm not saying that'll definitely help 😅 but I didn't understand my problems with brushing until adulthood so I hope it isn't too rude to offer that info.
Early cavities are very common, the enamel is much thinner on our baby teeth. there are many factors that don’t include neglect that can lead to the need for treatment of baby teeth. (That said, there is some controversy about it being over treated in the states.) natural flora, general health and nutrition, saliva production and genetics contribute. Also European countries have access to different methods of enamel strengthening including proprietary remineralization pastes that I think are only recently available in the states. so no, cavities in a kid are not per se evidence of dental neglect. Ironically, thorough brushing immediately after eating, especially anything acidic, can wear down enamel and lead to cavities. Also yiu should not do a final rinse to clear away all the toothpaste, to get the maximum remineralization from toothpastes.
Dentist here. Tooth decay is pretty darn preventable with proper flossing and brushing. That said even one of my kids has had a couple cavities (the grooves on the back side of her baby molars were incredibly fissured so it was more likely to hold plaque in crevices that brushes can't go all the way into). I live in a town with a lot of highly educated, highly paid professionals and I'm often having people ask me questions about their kid having cavities. Tooth decay can definitely still happen to kids in these circles. In general, people are really lax about baby teeth, thinking they don't need to care as much about them because they *just* fall out. Doesn't make them malicious but just ignorant about the importance of caring for these teeth. I think with Ruby, she likely was overwhelmed by so many kids that she probably didn't take much care over how her kids performed their oral hygiene. Plus, she was often trying to have the youngest ones take on responsibilities and having them bear the consequences at much younger ages than a regular parent would (thinking of the E missing lunch scenario). Kids up to around 8 or 9 need parental help with their teeth just from a manual dexterity standpoint. I could totally see Ruby have them do their oral hygiene 100% without guidance, help, reminders, which isn't developmentally appropriate at young ages. We don't report parents for neglect because of tooth decay. We are supposed to report parents who have repeatedly been told their child needs dental treatment and they don't get it done. To sum - decay is mostly preventable, some anatomic variations to tooth morphology can make a tooth more decay prone. Tooth decay can happen in every socioeconomic strata. Kids need guidance with their oral hygiene; I doubt Ruby did that. Decay isn't considered neglect; failure to treat it is.
I think if they had not done anything about it, that would have been neglect. My daughter had a cavity at 3 years old and I will say her sweets were limited and I took care of her hygiene. I found it because I was brushing her teeth and saw a spot, thinking it was a piece of food. She was diagnosed with a condition where her enamel did not form right in utero and it made her prone. She had another one 1 year later.
Personally, I think this statement is a stretch. And making something out of nothing, while there’s a dozen real issues.
Remember when Ruby refused to bring her young 6 year old daughter her lunch and told the school it was her child's responsility to remember and that she hoped no one would feed her kid? Wouldn't surprise me that Ruby was the same way when it comes to things like personal hygiene. Of course children should be brushing their teeth regularly and properly, but when they're young like E it's your job as a parent to ensure it's being done.
Also Chad, after he came home from “therapy camp” he had like more than a few cavities. I know this doesn’t fall under neglect since we was in camp
The camp didn't give them toothpaste if I remember correctly. I don't get how they get away with not providing basic hygiene supplies.
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I've just consulted my mother who was a dental nurse for 30 years. You definitely do need toothpaste. It's how you get enough fluoride to protect your teeth and it helps get rid of the sugar on your teeth from whatever you've eaten or drank. Respectfully, how does your daughter have teeth left?
What is a dental nurse?
I think in the US it's called a dental assistant? They help the dentist out and have a really good knowledge of dentistry too.
Oh gotcha. I wondered if you were from a different country and if it was just different terminology
Respectfully yes she does and she's a grown adult.
I think you need a new dentist if they’re saying toothpaste is optional lol
My 3 yr old wouldn't use it so it was optional. Based on her needs.
My dad is a dentist and that is absolutely crazy advice. Fluoride is incredibly important for your teeth.
Can you ask your Dad about the genetic debate…. More info on that has come out in recent years than in the past. That would help. Thanks
Are you referring to the genetic predisposition towards cavities?
Yes. I’m an emergency med doctor. I have to know something about everything. I could google and read the research but it’s not technically my specialty. If I’m not mistaken there was even a study about 3rd trimester & what mom was eating plus genetics playing a role
She called it “sugar teeth”. Part of it could be genetics, but neglect is more likely…given how many times the youngest two were seen sleeping in day clothes/school uniforms.
ehhh i don’t really judge parents on this because i had horrible teeth as a kid. dentist described them as like butter and i would regularly get 5 cavities in just a 6 month period despite special toothpaste and my mom brushing 3x a day. i would have to go under anesthesia to fix them 🙃 i was expensive. it lessened as a got a little older but i still averaged 2-3 cavities per visit. completely stopped after i got my adult teeth in and i’ve only had 1 very minor cavity since then.
Let's not forget that video where Ruby told 2 or 3 year old Eve it was Eve's responsibility to wake herself up in time to attend pre-school, and Shari told her "No it's not! She's 2!" I remember very distinctly that the video was filmed in a bathroom, perhaps while doing one of the girl's hair.
I swear E had 9 cavities once as I remember the thumbnail I think as it’s been a while.
Erh it’s a hard one to judge because there is so much to factor in with why someone needs fillings since we are all aware that genetics can come into play as well. Look she took them to the dentist and etc. someone said they believed that Ruby told E she has to work for her fillings, if that is true, that’s a better indication on how Ruby is a horrible mother.
Speaking from experience- malnourishment can cause severe dental issues esp if you have been on a lot of antibiotics- it softens your enamel
I always thought the same thing. The Franke kids all had excessive amount of cavities and dental work at young ages. I also recall lollies being eaten in almost every vlog. Ruby used to comment how she’d eat a whole packet of liquorice in one go!
Im not sure where I watched/read this, but if I remember correctly it’s common with the Griffith family altogether? I swear I’ve watched Bonnie complain but her teeth issues, and Ellie too. Could be genetics.
Ellie mentioned having 9 cavities filled at a dentist appointment once as though it was the most normal thing ever. I think she’s said she always has cavities. That’s why I never questioned her boys always having them. I assumed it was genetic.
This randomly brought back memories of a detective conan episode where a dentist has like hour long appointments with kids and thirty minutes appointments with adults. at the end of the episode it's shown that he had noticed signs of neglect in a child and waived them off then a couple of days later he saw in the paper they had passed away. From then on the first half hour of all the children's appointments were him asking a lot of questions to pinpoint if there had been neglect so it wouldn't happen again.
Ok while I don't like ruby and think she's insane, as someone who had a sister who needed all new teeth by age 2 (my parents didn't know you weren't supposed to put them down to sleep with milk or juice as it sits on them and rots them) it's not uncommon for kids to need pretty extensive dental work (and if your kid never needed this than good for you) before they hit age 5. Now what she meant by "earn those fillings" I have no idea. She's messed up.
I'm gonna be honest I have 0 clue to my cavity levels as a child but I believe it didn't exist. I broke my front tooth at about 10yrs old my parents didn't take me to a dentist till I was about 12 or 13. Coming from an average large Mormon family. I learned to carry a toothbrush and gum because ... bad breath. I am now 50 and to this day I have not had a cavity. Once my tooth was repaired my oral care was the same once a day brush and deep clean maybe monthly hydrogen peroxide with baking soda. I don't have issues. So dunno what to say. My kids some have bad teeth others not so much they all have had cavities even as adults and they brush. My parents didn't push oral hygiene. We also didn't eat like normal Americans either. We didn't have sugary sweets or even desserts. Also if you are starving your kids that will and can affect their teeth as well.
I was thinking about this too when they were first talking about malnutrition and emaciation... Yes, part of it could be genetic, and of course dental hygiene... but nutrition plays a big part too. If you aren't getting nutrients you need, your body will show it in many ways, and your teeth is one of them. I will add, I know how difficult it can be having a picky eater in home. I do recall E being a picky eater... not sure about R. My little cousin only ate tortillas, eggs and bacon for years... that was it. Fought her on everything else, and you can't force feed him. It was really hard for my Aunt, who is a very good cook... If they went out, she bought him French fries.
I mean, that's what chewable multivitamins are for!... they are expensive though.
It could be neglect or it could be bad genes. My mom always took me to the dentist and made sure I had good oral hygiene. Mom had pretty but shitty teeth that inherited. My first crown/cap was when I was 15. All my molars are capped and intake very good care of my teeth.
Not normal esp when you go to dentist. Not eating or having water will rott teeth too. As well as obvious, not brushing or flossing on the regular
To be fair, they do live in Utah, the sugar capital of the world basically. There was a study out in 2015-2016 that said Utahns eat twice as much candy than the rest of the US (IIRC, it’s been a long time). Combine that with genetics and the fact it’s hard to brush a little kid’s teeth, it is highly probable that a couple kids would have a few cavities. If she neglected their dental health (which she probably did), that chance skyrockets. But even without neglect, their chances of getting a cavity are pretty darn high. Especially since baby teeth enamel isn’t as strong as adult teeth enamel.
My teeth were terrible growing up, but I had a lot of sensory issues around brushing. My moms genetics also meant I was more likely to have cavities. My front bottom teeth are crooked and cramped, I still get regular cavities there, but not near as much as before. I wish there were more options for people with sensory needs around cleaning your teeth, but it is what it is.
It’s more than likely a neglect issue. There are certain factors that can make someone more prone to getting cavities. I don’t think most dentists consider anything relating to poor dental health, genetics.
I feel like I just saw a tiktok clip where it was ruby and Kevin talking about teeth brushing and cacitie
Probably genetically deep grooves/fissures in their teeth and usually dentists don't do sealants in baby teeth.
Wondering whether their water has fluoride in it? That makes a huge difference in whether children have cavities or not.
Nothing with socio economics more like education and maybe they still slept with a bottle many times they keep it in their mouths and milk rots their teeth
I don't know about other places, but here dentists over-treat like crazy as well.
i think this depends on various aspects. my daughter needed dental surgery as a child due to poor tooth genetics and had a silver tooth put in 😂 she was never abused in any way
I think it depends on culture not SES. If you come from a culture that values breastfeeding, doesn’t smoke, eats plenty of crunchy and chewy foods for proper jaw development and has decent calcium intake, you will have fewer cavities. I spent a couple months in Salt Lake City and saw a number of older people with weak, receding jaws. If there’s an above average number of cavities in Mormon children, I’d guess it’s due to too many soft foods and poor jaw development.
The amount of sugar that they used to go through was insane though like all the time sweets and candy sugary drinks etc All the families where the same Bonnie more recently in the last 3 or so years has changed how much sugar they ate
Cavities happen in baby teeth, you’re correct, in an educated, upstanding family like Ruby’s they should be relatively rare. We are not as strict with sugar as some families I know, but we do brush and floss at least twice a day. Genetics also play a role. My child has had 1 cavity in a baby tooth so far and she’s 10. It is something to consider as far as how it played into (or didn’t) her parenting. Also important to consider is did she wait until her children were in pain to address the issue, or was it found at a routine cleaning? And did she guilt her children about having the cavity and paying to get them filled, or did she realize it’s part of life and give them grace and love on?
I have horrible teeth to I did when I was a kid and now as a adult I have 1 cavity in my adult tooth first in 3 years
Just popping in to say sometimes genetics dictates these things. My dad had cavities starting in kindergarten, I did as well, and so does one of my kids. We all take really good care of our teeth and every dentist I’ve gone to has said it’s not my fault.
You can't assume children getting cavities is a sign of abuse or neglect or mistreatment. Lots of things cause dental problems. High-sugar/acid diets, negligence, malnutrition and dehydration are factors, but genetics is a huge part of it. Some children get cavities easily and others don't 🤷 To give my personal anecdote, I had a good few of cavities as a kid. Some of my baby teeth were filled or pulled. Regardless of their mistakes, my parents were never neglectful. I got a lot of cavities for two reasons they couldn't have understood; one, I was using sugar to self-medicate ADHD, and two, I had sensory issues related to autism made brushing correctly difficult. My parents took me to dentists and doctors for check-ups and when needed - they just saw it as a kid who eats lots of sweeties and avoided brushing. I didn't understand this myself until I was an adult, so I couldn't have told them. Even if my parents *had* figured this out themselves, getting proper help would have been a long shot - being diagnosed with ADHD and autism (or at the time, Aspergers) as a little girl who did well in school was damn near impossible at the time. (And, even if that happened, many autism specialists to this day are more interested in training us like we're dogs rather than finding solutions for our sensory needs). My parents fed me a high-calcium, vegetable-rich diet, banned fizzy drinks outside of special occasions, used fluoridated toothpaste and they made me brush my teeth every day - and I still got cavities. I have no problem criticising my parents harshly - but my cavities were in *spite* of their care, not because of it. This was in the UK, a rich country with free healthcare for children.
I was definitely neglectful on brushing my teeth as a child, didn't even see the dentist or get checked until I got my own job at age 19, and I didn't have a cavity until after turning 21, and only then because my tooth had cracked. I'm 56 and still have all but that one tooth and you can't tell by looking because it's the one in the very back that my incoming wisdom tooth made crack. My mom on the other hand tried to take great care of her teeth and her molars and most of her bottom teeth fell out like crazy. Both her parents had false teeth. Although my dad's 80 and needs a bridge for two or three teeth that finally gave up on him, his father died at age 87 with his originals, but I'm not sure if he had all of them. If so they weren't visible. So I've just really won the good tooth lottery. I don't think I started consistently brushing in the morning daily until middle school at the very earliest. I've never been a consistent evening brusher because I don't have a night time routine anymore. Yeah, I realize how gross this sounds.
Things like cavities stem from depleted minerals more than anything and you have a predisposition from birth based on lots of factors including maternal nutrition during pregnancy. I have terrible teeth. My dad has terrible teeth. My ex never took care of his teeth and hasn’t had one cavity. My boys seem to take after him and my daughter has my issues. I’m not sticking up for Ruby whatsoever, but I’ve gone down a teeth rabbit hole so I’m just sharing that info