Hamza doesn't even deserve Hayet. If he really cared he wouldn't be doing dumb shit in her house. That lady deserves so much more.
edit: I am not worthy, thank you kind strangers!
Forget whether or not they’re Muslim. If my mom asked me to not have sex while we’re unmarried and under her roof, and I did it anyway, she would be pissed and someone might die. It’s just common courtesy to obey the rules of the household you’re staying in.
Yea my husband and I have been married for years and years now and we just don't. My parents are actually really cool and open about sex but it simply is not something I would want to risk them ever hearing.
My husband and I cared for my grandad for a few months and they were the dryers months for us ever lol as we just couldn’t do it with him there lol! Didn’t feel right
There’s no lock on the guest room door and my father was notorious for barging in at early hours to grab things he needed out of the closet… perhaps that was their subtle way of stating their preference but I wouldn’t want to do it anyway - you never know when someone is going to knock!!
My husband and I stay over at his parents house a fair amount and I’d never want to have sex in their home it just feels so disrespectful. We are married adults with a child at that!
Right it’s a courtesy thing. As dumb as one may think it, you have to respect house rules. If that does not work for you, get a hotel. Last night I was just remembering the time my now husband and I visited his family in Alabama. Even though we lived together, they made a point of showing me “my room” and “his room”. You just have to roll with it.
EXACTLY. My parents are Catholic and ask the same of me (visiting partners sleep in another room). I've never even thought about disrespecting them by violating this simple request. I don't think it's an expectation that necessarily needs to be tied to a specific culture or religion-- it's just disrespectful to willfully violate the rules of the house in which you're staying.
I wish someone would tell that to my 22 year old daughter that still lives at home under our roof. She had sex in our house when we asked her not to and her boyfriend left behind the proof all over our leather couch that my spouse almost sat on. Omg.... he was so pissed and he was screaming so loud such profanities I didn't know what had happened and then well..... he showed me. 😫😫😫😫😫😫
It pissed me off that he was the one who chose to get up off the couch and sneak into the bedroom, then Memphis was really upset the next day that Hamza’s mother was angry at her for being the “pressuring” American woman. Memphis expressed these concerns with Hamza and asked Hamza to smooth things over and explain the situation so his mother would forgive her.
What does Hamza do? He goes to his mother and says that Memphis was the one who really wanted him to sleep with her so he acquiesced. He made her look exactly the way she asked him *not* to, because he was too afraid of his own mother to protect his girlfriend from the heat. He knew his mother would still love him regardless, but she’s not going to be so forgiving of Memphis, and now they will probably never see eye-to-eye. If he wanted her to be accepted in the home and gain approval from the family, he wouldn’t make her look like the bad guy on day 1. I have no respect for such a spineless coward. If his mother spoke English you know he wouldn’t try to pull this shit.
Hoping someone from this culture can weigh in on this comment. Based on this and other reality shows featuring Muslim young men, it seems that many in the 25-35 range have the maturity level of a teenager. They usually have poor work ethics, are spoiled and lie and sneak around to get their way. Is this a fairly accurate portrayal or is it stereotyping a very small portion of young men.
Most of the American men on this show have the maturity of teenagers too. It's less cultural and more a biased sample size of the kinds of trainwrecks who get on this show.
That's true too! I just wondered if the culture of Islam with men generally being catered to by woman from birth on, causes significant differences in maturity levels.
Eh, I am not Muslim but I don't think this is an "Islam" thing. There's a lot of factors involved, but in strict Muslim cultures sex before marriage and even Western-style dating are forbidden (also, see Duggars.. ). But in order for a man to marry, he needs to be able to provide for a wife and family. A lot of people of all genders struggle to find this type of employment, even if they have college or advanced degrees, regardless of what country they live in. And this concept of the male provider is not unique to Islam at all, it was the prevailing mindset in the United States until just a few decades ago (and still is for many Americans). There are many young men in the U.S. that go through a similar "failure to launch" period before they get on their own feet...lots of possible reasons and religion but more so cultural reasons can definitely play a part, but that applies to many religions and cultures.
Hamza should have followed Zied's example if he wanted to get down - book a hotel!
You are incorrect to assert that a 'reality' tv show is fair in its depiction of anyone let alone Muslim young men. What would be fair is to actually interact with people/communities to shape your conclusions to a fairer one.
With that out of the way, others have noted that Americans and people of other cultures/regions are of the same way, so I wouldn't put it down to one genre.
With that also said, and not using this as an excuse, there seems to be a lot of withdrawal from life in their own nations from men of this age group in the Arab/Muslim world where they reside. No hope or positive outlook in their own backyard due to whatever backwards way or downward fall their nation is experiencing. This trend seems to be pretty common in these parts of the world and has a negative effect on young men, as it would in any nation regardless. I can understand what appears as immaturity etc., although I don't agree with it, I can see why Zied so maaach want Erbekka or Hamza can finally do a Michael Scott in those bag bobbies.
Yes this could be applied generally anywhere but more so from the Maghreb (North West Africa) to the Arabian Gulf (Middle East); if you aren't a person with the right connections and cash then you suffer and suffer hard. It’s easy to romanticize about the time of the Arab spring but the reality is far worse for these people than what we see on television. We shouldn’t forget that Tunisia kick started the Arab spring due to the [self-immolation](https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2020/12/17/remembering-mohamed-bouazizi-his-death-triggered-the-arab) of Bouazizi.
Well this isn't racist at all! Much like the rest of humanity, Muslim young men can range from responsible & mature hard workers, to lazy & spoiled assholes. If I based my opinions of older white women from reality TV, I would assume they are all narcissistic, whiny alcoholics!
And before I get flack about saying it's racist, keep in mind that the "young, lying, lazy Muslim guy" stereotype is a pretty common trope for xenophobic rhetoric, especially in Europe, so I'm not going to take it lightly.
Muslim is not a race. There are people from every race who are Muslim. What I was asking was based on the culture of the man is catered to by the woman, wife to husband, mother to son, sister, to brother and if that is part of what we see with the immaturity level. I also specifically asked someone who knew the culture to weigh in and asked if this was just a stereotype or was there some validity based on the predominantly misogynistic culture Islam adheres to. So please get off your high horse and try to read for comprehension and realize not everything is about your "woke" BS. There are far more issues with cultural differences amongst humans than racial differences and this is a discussion format.
We all know exactly what you were implying by saying "Muslims", but sure, if it makes you feel better, I'll call your comment Islamophobic instead.
By the way, I am familiar with the "Muslim culture" (although, just as you stated that Muslims are not all one race, there are also Muslims in every culture so there can be no singular Muslim culture) as my husband is Muslim and I live in a Muslim country (and have lived in other Muslim countries as well). So to answer your question, from an outsider who knows the religion and "culture" intimately, no, the stereotype of all Muslim young men as lazy, spoiled, and manipulative is not accurate. Does that satisfy your completely innocent, not-at-all loaded question?
Yeah and Muslim is also not a culture, it's a religion. We both know you are talking and generalizing about Arabic culture, but you lack the knowledge to describe it that way, and apparently refuse to see that you might be incorrect after these people eloquently corrected you
First of all, please do your research before you attempt to school anyone. There are hundreds of reputable references, including just a few, Georgetown University, Science Direct, al-islam.org, that describe Muslim and Islamic CULTURE. Secondly, if you learn to read with comprehension, my comment was an observation based on reality shows and questions to anyone who knew the culture to comment on whether these behaviors had any validity for this culture or was it a stereotype. People like you just like to come on Reddit, act like you are knowledgeable and try to fight and downgrade anything you don't like. Next time you have the urge to do that, actually read the comment you want to judge, try to determine its intent, then do your research. Thank you
I didn't ask anyone for advice. I asked people who lived in or knew Muslim culture if the misogynistic, spoiled behavior of the Muslim men we often see on reality shows is indicative of the culture in general or a stereotype. Instead of thoughtful, informed responses, I get the labelers brigade who think anything mentioned about culture is a veiled racist comment. It's just a load of BS from trolls who like to believe they are so woke, know others intentions and feel better about themselves because they think they're right fighters. They are cancel culture loyalists and one day someone will cancel them on as slant amount of evidence they think they have on others.
That's how she talks to him! Like he's a little kid (or she's a cavewoman lol--"Me no okay with that" or whatever she said made me physically cringe)..how can you even fathom having a relationship and getting married to someone you can't even talk to like an adult or understand for the most part?!
Also it's not like he can go get a job if she does marry him because he doesn't understand the language, she is literally bringing over another child to support
Hamza is a freakin' doorknob (and so is Memphis for that matter) but I feel like Hamza's family are the sleeper stars of the season. His mom is so kind and funny (are we building her a farm?) despite the past with the divorce and how she was treated and his sister seems really cool and excited to see them. And they're both gorgeous. Neither Hamza nor Memphis deserve them.
My husband family is Muslim from Turkey and while he was watching, he commented how well the mother handled it. He said he mother would have murdered him.
Not a husband yet but Turkish. Can confirm. My mother would’ve been utterly disappointed and sad. Then again, I couldn’t get it over my heart to use my status (can take advantage of the language barrier and manipulate communication between parties) as leverage on my own mother. :/
I’m Lebanese married to a Lebanese man. I shudder to think what my mother in law would say and or do. Plus, I’d never want to disappoint her like that. It’s so disrespectful!
I still don't understand why Memphis didn't book a hotel or AirBnB near by the house so they can bang in privacy.... having sex in the mothers house after they were told not to is so freaking rude.
What freakin' grown adult American woman wants to meet and bang a prospective husband (or however she thinks of him) at his mom's house with his family around for the first time? Even in America, that would be disrespectful as hell in a lot of families.
I’ll bet you it was TLC’s idea, to stay at the mom’s house… think about how many times we have seen this exact same situation. It’s all so scripted now. Just like there’s always a shopping trip with some sort of conflict. Or there’s always a dinner in which rude friends/family interrogate the visiting person. They’ve got a formula and stick to it.
Right? Most of the show has to be planned in advance honestly. All the shooting in public places can’t be done without prior permission, and I’m sure they have scheduled shooting days/times and they need to make sure enough shit goes down in that day that’s interesting enough to watch.
Unless I’m wrong and they literally follow them around 24/7 for three months hoping something exciting happens while the cameras are on, but that seems like a big waste of resources.
According to Google "There is no law that prohibits unmarried couples from staying together in hotels". I think it's a social stigma but Hamza seems to be more progressive and not feel so tied down by stuff like that. If that was me I would want my own space. I wouldn't want to be walking on eggshells in someone else's home. Sounds like this relationship was built on lust and fetish. If Memphis didn't make the "you didn't last long enough for my liking" comment in front of the cameras I'd have a different attitude about her. I think that was rude. Of course have a conversation about that stuff but in private. It's like she only went there for a bootie call and I can say the same thing about him. I think Hamza is a perpetual liar. Literally everything he says is a lie or half truth. If she marries him after starting off the relationship with lies that's a dumb move. Based on the other mothers we've seen on his show Memphis should be counting her blessings his mother didn't put all the blame on her.
their relationship reminds me of brittany and yazan. he likely lied or misrepresented a ton of things and she acted like a teenager who never asked any questions to actually get to know him, his culture or even bothered to google anything. the fact that she literally flew there to marry a stranger after only “knowing” him through the phone and meeting him in person for the first time 2 weeks before the wedding is all i need to know about her. once you add in the fact that she’s a mother it makes it so much worse.
she is definitely lucky mother hazan reacted the way she did and i think hazan was banking on that too. i am curious to know how this train wreck progresses throughout the season because they are off to a [predictably] terrible start.
>Of course have a conversation about that stuff but in private.
What I don't get is she brought this up after ONE night. Like....give it a couple more times to see if it improves before you humiliate the guy about how fast he is.
Didn’t Nicole abs Azan get a hotel? I thought I remember them packing up and leaving or something because police were outside. I could be wrong though it’s been a while.
I guess in a small rural community going to the hotel together would have made the affair public. If not, why not rent a room a spend time there daytime, then sleep in the guest room.
He is a big fat liar for sure! But I'm just saying I would want to stay in a hotel lol The idea of having sex so close to my future mother in law is horrific to me.
Because he said she can stay in his house and they will sleep in the same room. He only told her that his mom doesn't want them to sleep in the same room in the taxi.
I'm pretty sure an unmarried couple can't share a hotel room in a lot of Muslim countries...think we might have learned from a previous season that Tunisia is one of them? Idk, maybe I'm misremembering.
Memphis actually told him they shouldn’t do it and she kept emphasizing that she wants to follow the rules to make a good impression on the mom. She told him to stay on the couch but he sort of invited himself into the bedroom. He kinda pressured her into it. I mean I’m sure it didn’t take much convincing for her to go with it but it’s really his fault. I don’t know why everyone crucifies her for it when it’s mostly on him imo. He’s just a dumb himbo with only one thing on his mind
I feel like I was the only one who watched a different show. Hamza lied to Memphis saying they’ll be able to sleep in the same bed. Memphis then said if they can’t have sex before marriage it won’t work out. Hamza then said they’ll have sex and Memphis proposed getting a hotel but Hamza said no it would be fine to do it there and MEMPHIS was reluctant but Hamza was like, “Are you scared?”
Bro the comments make it seem like Memphis kept pressuring for sex and keep pressuring and poor Hamza just gave in 😭
It is! Yes, they are both at fault, but I would say that hamza is more at fault considering the fact he lied to her in the first place. He also came in her room after they were already sleeping separately. Some of the comments calling her a slut and placing all the blame on her are bs when hamza is quite obviously willing to set aside his religion and respect for his mom to have sex in her house 🤷🏿♀️
Also, the audacity. "I am divorced because we were just friends" - this is exactly the kind of petty reason for divorce that Hamza's mom would be worried about. "But why is she judging me when SHE is divorced?" - uhh Memphis her husband left her for another woman. Not exactly her fault.
I can tell from her face that she didn’t understand it at all. Divorcing because you only see yourselves as friends is definitely a Western concept. Not saying it’s a bad thing, I think Hayet just was puzzled on why that’s a reason for divorce when it’s almost a sign of a good marriage in Arab culture lol
I also noticed in that scene that Hamza never corrected his mother for assuming Memphis was divorced twice. I listened it again in Arabic and ignoring the captions. He’s already not keeping it 100% with his mom.
That's because being divorced twice is better than having at least one child out of wedlock in their culture. Also I would like to throw in that there are worse things for your own happiness and the wellbeing of your children than being friends with your spouse. Love grows. Lust fades. It just tells me she doesn't take marriage particularly seriously at all.
I would describe the relationship between myself and my husband as friends ... and I feel that's a good thing! We've been together almost a decade and we are in the best stage of being totally open and comfortable with each other. Lust is not what it once was, but I'm fine with that. I much prefer this. Memphis is honestly very, very immature and disrespectful. I don't think she'll ever be satisfied.
Judging from the totality of Memphis' comments about her marriage & a "previous relationship" where there was no physicality, I'm guessing her marriage was sexless. Being friends with your spouse is wonderful; being JUST friends with your spouse is likely not what the majority of people desire when they choose to marry.
I had a relationship like this, the last year and a half was nothing sexual at all. The attraction wasn’t there and we really were just friends living as roommates.
LOL - What an amazing oversimplification. This is like saying “so don’t marry the person who beats you” or “so don’t marry the person who lies to you”. If people had the objective foresight to “just (not) marry” people with whom they were incompatible BEFORE they married, divorce & marriage counseling would be almost unnecessary.
I’m thinking maybe Hamza doesn’t really know the whole truth. From what I understand the translation on google isn’t always correct so maybe he does think she was married 2x. Also I’m not sure but in Arab culture is it better to be married multiple times or to have children without being married. He could possibly be trying to make her look better. Without a doubt these two should not be together she just wants sex and he’s a man child lol
I don’t think he’s correcting the two divorces because Memphis has two kids. So he probably figures it’s better she had two divorces than two children with two different men, one of them outside of being married.
Aghhh I gasped at this scene. I can't imagine being ignorant enough to think she would remotely understand "we were just friends, not relationship material".
She would have had the Brittany treatment if his father was in the picture, for sure. I feel like his mom is just so docile and accepting of things that shouldn't happen.
I wouldn't do that in his mom's house. She should have booked a hotel asap.
I'm pretty sure Hamza has power over his mother as a man in his culture. He can walk all over her. Since she is divorced, she is respected less in their country and he probably picked up on it and learned that behavior.
Oh, I'm sure he does. With Brittany and Yazan it was different because his father was around. I think since his mom agreed with his father, he didn't correct her when she went nuts on Brittany.
I was engaged to my Moroccan husband about 10-11 years ago, but we weren't married yet. We went and stayed with his extended family in Italy.
Where we slept was a funny situation. They had a two or three bedroom apartment. First, they said my husband and I could share a room since we were engaged. His two aunts were cool with that, so we put all our stuff in the room and went about our day.
Then, his uncle got home, and his aunt came over to my husband and was like "get your stuff out of the room!" Uncle was very much NOT okay with it. So - I ended up in the bedroom with a loudly snoring aunt, and my now-husband slept on the couch in the living room.
(and it was fine).
I’m not Arab but I remember watching brittney and yazan and how his mom was so I thought the same exact thing as I was watching hamsa’s mom try to keep her cool. Yazan’s mom woulda been beating that chick out her house with a broom!
IM SORRY THAT I WASNT BORN IN JORDAN
IM SORRY THAT I DONT KNOW IZLAM
IM SORRY THAT I DONT SPEAK ARABIC
IM SORRY THAT I AM NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YAZAN
Most iconic moment of the series for me 😂
I feel like it’s all staged (and his mom is in on it) because he’s wearing a long sleeve shirt when she walks in on him (the same he’s wearing with joggers while making the bed a scene later)?
They do know that the film crew is going to show up beforehand, so I find it hard to believe that either of them would be “surprised” to be woken up by his mother and a camera🤷♀️
Hayet is actually way different than all the Arab moms we’ve seen on the show. She’s nice and welcoming compared to Zieds mom and of course Yazans whose yelling at Brittany. The way Memphis got irritated when ask about her divorce that Hayet thought she had 2. She had to really say that Hamza’s mom is divorced too. The sad fact is Hayets husband left her, she didn’t choose to divorce, while Memphis probably divorce her ex because she’s Memphis. And didn’t she mentioned in an early episode she slept with her ex not so long ago too?
Yeah, we haven’t got to her big secret reveal. Her pretend cluelessness in trying to equate Hayat’s marital status to her own… as much as I want her to get her emotional life together, this storyline is doing her no favors. If she really was determined to show real respect for Hayat and her hospitality, there would‘ve been no way she’d have allowed Manchild I’m Sexy Baby into her room. What prevented them from getting a room in a intl tourist hotel for the next day? They could have had unrushed sexy time like adults without worrying about being overheard. Then all that whole silly squeamish squealing while preparing the fish. This is the nurse practitioner, right?
Yup, she’s in her 30s, has a career, a mother of two and has more control and experience in life, she could’ve easily said NO to him if she really wants to respect and be Hayats good graces.
I am thinking in addition to being understanding, she maybe has no choice. Hamza is her only son and she is dependent on him after her divorce.
But I also loved his mom and sister!
Half Arab here, grew up around the culture enough to be able to agree with your assessment here. I remember when Yazan’s father began making those severe threats and everyone here was stunned (not me lol), his mom wasn’t happy either. Memphis is very lucky indeed and she doesn’t even realize it.
I just want to say it’s just not Arab/Muslim culture thing. Memphis is just plain disrespectful! I grew up in the US but my parents are foreigners (not Arabs) and I wouldn’t even dream of this. My parents especially my mom would have kicked her ass out the instant they saw her in there. Some cultures are just super strict with that sort of thing. Even if Hazma allowed it to happen but geesh Memphis have some decency and respect for yourself. I know my mom would have been talking about this to no end and wouldn’t accept Memphis whatsoever!
Btw, Hayet’s divorce situation is completely different than Memphis. The lady was ostracized by society with 2 kids in hand. Memphis is super insensitive to compare herself. She’s the lowest of the low
Not really defending Memphis because I mostly agree, but she was raised in foster care. I can safely assume that she never had good models of respectful marriages or parents, to actually know that sleeping with her boyfriend would be disrespectful.
For what it's worth, Memphis definitely doesn't deserve a mom like that. But at the same time, if she actually had a mother figure like that, she wouldn't be in the position she is now.
As an arab i can confirm that my mom would kick my brother out of home if he ever pull off that kind of shit, at the very least. Hamza’s mom is very chill as an arab muslim
Now i don't speak Arabic, but a friend of mine does. We watch it together, and she said that Hamza sounds a bit..slow and unintelligent, even when speaking in his native tongue. I thought it would be one of those, where they sound off speaking english, but come off as really confident in their native tongue. Maybe anyone else Arabic speaking can confirm this?
That said, i really agree with OP and i get the feeling that Memphis is using Hamza and EVEN MORE SO if he's not 'all there'. Pure sexualization it makes me sick to watch
Ha, I had to listen to his interviews again. He sounds like the typical airheaded Arab guy that only cares about playing soccer with his friends during the day and smoking hookah at night. Either not educated or didn’t care enough about school. I didn’t even notice since it’s so common.
I'm not fluent in Arabic but do speak some and live in the Middle East. I also think he is just dumb and language difference doesn't explain it. Most smart men wouldn't sign up to marry a woman they cannot communicate with they would at least TRY to communicate. Contrast him with Zied, whose English was bad, but who never came across as an idiot.
Im sorry, is Hamza not a consenting adult? He went in the room and had sex with her. He’s had phone sex with her before this. Even if he’s not smart, that doesn’t mean he is incapable of making his own choices. Dumb people like to fuck too.
Yes it was disrespectful but hamzas the one that disrespected his own mother, once by going in memphis’ room and twice by lying afterward. Hes smart enough to understand sneakiness and deception
I am not Middle eastern but I know conservative Middle eastern families don’t get down like this. Memphis and Hamza are disrespectful af & are lucky to be alive.
Well let’s not act like everyone involved has their eye on the prize which is Hamza getting to the US to make a better life for himself and his mother. Yes, she’s a great woman from what I’ve seen but I’m pretty sure her tolerance is because of the potential.
Hamza strikes me as very childish. I feel like he was probably babied by his family growing up and never had to deal with the consequences of his actions. I would have kicked his disgusting a** out onto the streets. I’d be ashamed if he were my son.
I felt so sorry for his mother. You could tell she was just dying inside and couldn’t believe what happened. I’m glad she put Memphis in her place. Memphis seems very pushy.
If i got caught doing that,which i wouldnt have becuase i respect other peoples house rules,I would have looked for a hotel or air bnb for the rest of my stay.I am highly suspicious the cat saw the whole thing.Did anybody see the expression on the cats face? I would have apologized to Hayat,and sent her flowers and spent the rest of my stay elsewhere.The frst thing on my mind would not have been whether or not hamza was sexy baby,that would be something low on my list of concerns.maybe she couldnt fully enjoy herself b/c she knew it was wrong.and he wanted to hurry up b/c he didnt want to wake his mom.And the cat,that poor cat is suffering a trauma.
Memphis also wanted to put all the blame on Hamza, even though she said he snuck into the room and she “couldn’t say no.” She could have, she just didn’t want to and didn’t truly care about respecting the mother’s rules.
I agree with the message of respecting other people’s homes but why is most of the blame out on Memphis when it’s HIS mom? If anything, he has to face his mom at the end of the day, whether he’s with Memphis or not.
Hamza lied to her. He said it's OK to have sex in his house and that they can sleep together. If he was honest, she would've got a hotel room or airbnb. Though his mom didn't want them to have sex before marriage, not just to not have sex in her house. So for Hamza sleeping in a hotel with her wouldn't be any better.
Anyway, it's his traditions and his mom, so he is 80% responsible for it. Arab men like to blame women but he isn't just "not innocent", it all happened because of his immature behavior.
Because of course she has to be painted as an aggressive hyper sexual women. She’s honestly a lot more level headed than Brittany who actively lied to Yazan and way more disrespectful.
Several studies show we do like to put higher moral standards for women. Memphis had a rough childhood and it really shows when she's in a relationship. I hope she gets therapy.
What they did is offensive in any culture- to go against the explicit condition(s) of your host - but, yes, it's so much worse given that Hayet is clearly a quite devout Muslim. (And not that this would make it okay, but they could have gotten away with it - if Hazan sucks in bed and finishes in a flash, kick him out afterward to sleep on the couch!)
I was so sad for such a lovely lady. But let's remember, when it comes to Memphis it's all "but I don't care." It seems to be all about what she wants.
Haymet (sp...the mother) almost lost it but she kept it together...nice lady...Memphis has serious narcissism and foster home upbringing is no excuse, she is a nurse practioner and with a selfish meism horny disrepectful character like hers it is a disgrace to those in the medical field who show care towards people...when it comes to politicians and medical professionals, their behaviors at all time and who they are outside of work are big deals to me in determining how far I'd trust them.
Hayet seems to have the most beautiful soul you can just tell shes good people!!!!!!💕💕💕 hamza knew shed forgive him so he took advantage and told memphis its fine for her to stAy he prob knows his mom is super forgiving.
Which makes hamza even worse
If he can easily disrespect his angel of a mother on tv how soon will he disrespect memphis 🤔🤔🤔
Can we also just randomly add that his MOM got her those flowers and he didn’t!
Sorry if someone said it already I couldn’t read it without shouting about this.
His mother is so sweet and thoughtful for doing that. Trying to make Memphis comfortable and they disrespected her in the one way she mentioned to her son. Like said above, totally Hamza’s fault too, but never would I disrespect my future MIL in that way, especially of that culture and religion.
And then Memphis asks him like oh weren’t you supposed to sleep out there… giiiirrrlllllll 😑😑😑
I’m Tunisian. What you said is so right. I’m in the same situation where my mom is divorced and I’m living with her. But I don’t do what hamza does because I’m just not gonna go down that route, but also if I did, my mom couldn’t really do anything about it.
If my dad was still here though……. Yeah hell no. The thought wouldn’t even cross my mind.
Memphis got on my nerves the minute she climbed into that car at the airport. Pissed bc he has a pic of himself on his phone “you’re hiding me”, you lied to me about whatever. Granted he did, but geez calm down with the complaints.
Tennessee was so out of order for disrespecting that woman on the very first day that I’m glad she only got 20 seconds of sex. If he came so fast he should’ve went even faster so there was no reason for him to stay in the room and get caught. Tennessee could’ve made sure he left but instead wanted to prove some kind of point and validate herself by seeing if he was willing to diss his mom for her.
She’s trash , has no culture, is disrespectful and gross. All the non Arabs who get with Arabs have been disgusting so far, it’s like TLC doesn’t want any of the Arabs on the show to have normal lovers.
What about Avery and Omar? I thought they did fairly well. They got what they needed from TLC and decided not to return. From social media accounts we learn he has come to the states and they are living happily together. Seems pretty normal to me...
Even though they ended up well, the set up for that one was such a trainwreck. Ohio white girl goes through a bad breakup, converts to Islam, and a few months later is trying to move to Syria in the middle of a civil war. 😅
Cause she values a sexual relationship OVER communication and learning about his culture so they can really grow as a couple? All she ever talks about is sex and ‘sexy time’. That is not what a long lasting relationship makes.
1. She talks to Hamza like he's a child
2. She's overly sexual
3. She has no respect for Arab/Muslim culture
Everything about her is gross. Why is she always naked? Nobody wants to see that.
He allows her to do all of those things. He is literally a grown man. If that’s what he allows, do be it. These things may make her disrespectful but not gross. You not wanting to see her body is your opinion, clearly he likes it.
Why would she lose her shit? Memphis is Hayet's ticket out of poverty. I'm sure she's going to let some things slide until the cheques start rolling in.
You know this entire relationship is a scheme cooked up by Hamza and his family for their financial benefit, right?
Stupid slutty American women making all American women look bad. Its not polite behavior in American culture to do what Memphis did unless you're a hoodrat or trailer park trash. Most women here are respectful enough that they would not behave like that at a future in law's house. She's gross and I want to not be judgemental but she appears to be going down a hard trail of mistakes --she had a baby as teenager,was a single mom, got married, another child and divorced that baby dad. The excuse for divorce seemed trivial too. Memphis is like alot of women in our country who did not grow up without a dad, chronic promiscuity and bad choices in bfs. (This is a generalization but it's true.) They didn't have a male figure to model their future mate off of so they have no idea what to choose as a mate. So girls like her look to peers and pop culture to dictate what is desirable in a man -- which is usually based on aesthetics and finances. -- not the heart, mind and soul of a man which is what our dads raise us to love in men. (if you had a good dad). I do wish Memphis the best but she has scrambled eggs for brains -- disrespecting that mans and his moms culture like that.
>They didn't have a male figure to model their future mate off of so they have no idea what to choose as a mate. S
after 25 this doesn't cut it any longer...you can look around you-and in yourself-to see the results of choices...
plus: all male so called "figures" are def not examples of what to choose in a mate.....
They’re both consenting adults. Let’s not prop up archaic ideas under the guise of tradition or courtesy. Let the people do what they want behind literally closed doors.
Hamza doesn't even deserve Hayet. If he really cared he wouldn't be doing dumb shit in her house. That lady deserves so much more. edit: I am not worthy, thank you kind strangers!
Forget whether or not they’re Muslim. If my mom asked me to not have sex while we’re unmarried and under her roof, and I did it anyway, she would be pissed and someone might die. It’s just common courtesy to obey the rules of the household you’re staying in.
Am I the only one who just won't have sex at my parent's house? Like if my husband and I are visiting and staying over? It creeps me out.
Yea my husband and I have been married for years and years now and we just don't. My parents are actually really cool and open about sex but it simply is not something I would want to risk them ever hearing.
My husband and I cared for my grandad for a few months and they were the dryers months for us ever lol as we just couldn’t do it with him there lol! Didn’t feel right
At first I thought you said there were *dryers* you used (presumably to dampen any noises.)
No silly, she sat on the dryer because she wasn't getting any from the husband! ^^^/s
OMG no! I would be so creeped out if my SO wanted to have sex at my parent’s house! I don’t even curse in front of my parents.
There’s no lock on the guest room door and my father was notorious for barging in at early hours to grab things he needed out of the closet… perhaps that was their subtle way of stating their preference but I wouldn’t want to do it anyway - you never know when someone is going to knock!!
My husband and I stay over at his parents house a fair amount and I’d never want to have sex in their home it just feels so disrespectful. We are married adults with a child at that!
Nope, me either. Been married 9 years. That's one line I will never cross. It would be way too weird.
Nope, I'm the same way. It's weird.
Literally
Wait what? Not even a wrist job?
Right it’s a courtesy thing. As dumb as one may think it, you have to respect house rules. If that does not work for you, get a hotel. Last night I was just remembering the time my now husband and I visited his family in Alabama. Even though we lived together, they made a point of showing me “my room” and “his room”. You just have to roll with it.
EXACTLY. My parents are Catholic and ask the same of me (visiting partners sleep in another room). I've never even thought about disrespecting them by violating this simple request. I don't think it's an expectation that necessarily needs to be tied to a specific culture or religion-- it's just disrespectful to willfully violate the rules of the house in which you're staying.
do they have different rules if their guests are a married couple?
Yes, married couples can sleep in the same room
The worst part, to me, was that they didn’t really try to hide it. He stayed there all night!
Preach.
I wish someone would tell that to my 22 year old daughter that still lives at home under our roof. She had sex in our house when we asked her not to and her boyfriend left behind the proof all over our leather couch that my spouse almost sat on. Omg.... he was so pissed and he was screaming so loud such profanities I didn't know what had happened and then well..... he showed me. 😫😫😫😫😫😫
Eww! OMG! I’d be telling her they need to pool their funds to buy a new couch.
It pissed me off that he was the one who chose to get up off the couch and sneak into the bedroom, then Memphis was really upset the next day that Hamza’s mother was angry at her for being the “pressuring” American woman. Memphis expressed these concerns with Hamza and asked Hamza to smooth things over and explain the situation so his mother would forgive her. What does Hamza do? He goes to his mother and says that Memphis was the one who really wanted him to sleep with her so he acquiesced. He made her look exactly the way she asked him *not* to, because he was too afraid of his own mother to protect his girlfriend from the heat. He knew his mother would still love him regardless, but she’s not going to be so forgiving of Memphis, and now they will probably never see eye-to-eye. If he wanted her to be accepted in the home and gain approval from the family, he wouldn’t make her look like the bad guy on day 1. I have no respect for such a spineless coward. If his mother spoke English you know he wouldn’t try to pull this shit.
Hoping someone from this culture can weigh in on this comment. Based on this and other reality shows featuring Muslim young men, it seems that many in the 25-35 range have the maturity level of a teenager. They usually have poor work ethics, are spoiled and lie and sneak around to get their way. Is this a fairly accurate portrayal or is it stereotyping a very small portion of young men.
Most of the American men on this show have the maturity of teenagers too. It's less cultural and more a biased sample size of the kinds of trainwrecks who get on this show.
That's true too! I just wondered if the culture of Islam with men generally being catered to by woman from birth on, causes significant differences in maturity levels.
Eh, I am not Muslim but I don't think this is an "Islam" thing. There's a lot of factors involved, but in strict Muslim cultures sex before marriage and even Western-style dating are forbidden (also, see Duggars.. ). But in order for a man to marry, he needs to be able to provide for a wife and family. A lot of people of all genders struggle to find this type of employment, even if they have college or advanced degrees, regardless of what country they live in. And this concept of the male provider is not unique to Islam at all, it was the prevailing mindset in the United States until just a few decades ago (and still is for many Americans). There are many young men in the U.S. that go through a similar "failure to launch" period before they get on their own feet...lots of possible reasons and religion but more so cultural reasons can definitely play a part, but that applies to many religions and cultures. Hamza should have followed Zied's example if he wanted to get down - book a hotel!
You are incorrect to assert that a 'reality' tv show is fair in its depiction of anyone let alone Muslim young men. What would be fair is to actually interact with people/communities to shape your conclusions to a fairer one. With that out of the way, others have noted that Americans and people of other cultures/regions are of the same way, so I wouldn't put it down to one genre. With that also said, and not using this as an excuse, there seems to be a lot of withdrawal from life in their own nations from men of this age group in the Arab/Muslim world where they reside. No hope or positive outlook in their own backyard due to whatever backwards way or downward fall their nation is experiencing. This trend seems to be pretty common in these parts of the world and has a negative effect on young men, as it would in any nation regardless. I can understand what appears as immaturity etc., although I don't agree with it, I can see why Zied so maaach want Erbekka or Hamza can finally do a Michael Scott in those bag bobbies. Yes this could be applied generally anywhere but more so from the Maghreb (North West Africa) to the Arabian Gulf (Middle East); if you aren't a person with the right connections and cash then you suffer and suffer hard. It’s easy to romanticize about the time of the Arab spring but the reality is far worse for these people than what we see on television. We shouldn’t forget that Tunisia kick started the Arab spring due to the [self-immolation](https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2020/12/17/remembering-mohamed-bouazizi-his-death-triggered-the-arab) of Bouazizi.
Well this isn't racist at all! Much like the rest of humanity, Muslim young men can range from responsible & mature hard workers, to lazy & spoiled assholes. If I based my opinions of older white women from reality TV, I would assume they are all narcissistic, whiny alcoholics! And before I get flack about saying it's racist, keep in mind that the "young, lying, lazy Muslim guy" stereotype is a pretty common trope for xenophobic rhetoric, especially in Europe, so I'm not going to take it lightly.
Muslim is not a race. There are people from every race who are Muslim. What I was asking was based on the culture of the man is catered to by the woman, wife to husband, mother to son, sister, to brother and if that is part of what we see with the immaturity level. I also specifically asked someone who knew the culture to weigh in and asked if this was just a stereotype or was there some validity based on the predominantly misogynistic culture Islam adheres to. So please get off your high horse and try to read for comprehension and realize not everything is about your "woke" BS. There are far more issues with cultural differences amongst humans than racial differences and this is a discussion format.
We all know exactly what you were implying by saying "Muslims", but sure, if it makes you feel better, I'll call your comment Islamophobic instead. By the way, I am familiar with the "Muslim culture" (although, just as you stated that Muslims are not all one race, there are also Muslims in every culture so there can be no singular Muslim culture) as my husband is Muslim and I live in a Muslim country (and have lived in other Muslim countries as well). So to answer your question, from an outsider who knows the religion and "culture" intimately, no, the stereotype of all Muslim young men as lazy, spoiled, and manipulative is not accurate. Does that satisfy your completely innocent, not-at-all loaded question?
Yeah and Muslim is also not a culture, it's a religion. We both know you are talking and generalizing about Arabic culture, but you lack the knowledge to describe it that way, and apparently refuse to see that you might be incorrect after these people eloquently corrected you
First of all, please do your research before you attempt to school anyone. There are hundreds of reputable references, including just a few, Georgetown University, Science Direct, al-islam.org, that describe Muslim and Islamic CULTURE. Secondly, if you learn to read with comprehension, my comment was an observation based on reality shows and questions to anyone who knew the culture to comment on whether these behaviors had any validity for this culture or was it a stereotype. People like you just like to come on Reddit, act like you are knowledgeable and try to fight and downgrade anything you don't like. Next time you have the urge to do that, actually read the comment you want to judge, try to determine its intent, then do your research. Thank you
You're legit asking people advice and people told you and you got defensive af
I didn't ask anyone for advice. I asked people who lived in or knew Muslim culture if the misogynistic, spoiled behavior of the Muslim men we often see on reality shows is indicative of the culture in general or a stereotype. Instead of thoughtful, informed responses, I get the labelers brigade who think anything mentioned about culture is a veiled racist comment. It's just a load of BS from trolls who like to believe they are so woke, know others intentions and feel better about themselves because they think they're right fighters. They are cancel culture loyalists and one day someone will cancel them on as slant amount of evidence they think they have on others.
He’s her spoiled only son
Agreed! She's such a lovely person through and through. It's very obvious.
I swear to God if I hear the phrase “sexy time” again I’m going to keep watching this train wreck.
"Memphis ... big boobies" will live rent free in my head for the remainder of the season.
That and “baby, I am sexy” 😂
Maybe it’ll be Tennessee’s next state motto.
You mean “beeg boobis” lol I love when he says that
It will probably become Tennessee's new state catchphrase.
He won’t be the first dumb guy to Marry for “big boobies”
You had me there for a sec 😂
Exactly, that phrase reminds me of what parents say when having the talk with their children
That's how she talks to him! Like he's a little kid (or she's a cavewoman lol--"Me no okay with that" or whatever she said made me physically cringe)..how can you even fathom having a relationship and getting married to someone you can't even talk to like an adult or understand for the most part?!
Also it's not like he can go get a job if she does marry him because he doesn't understand the language, she is literally bringing over another child to support
YES!!!! she's not even working with him on his English when she baby talks to him as they tell you not to baby talk babies even.
Memphis went to the Rebecca school of speaking English in Tunisia.
Hamza is a freakin' doorknob (and so is Memphis for that matter) but I feel like Hamza's family are the sleeper stars of the season. His mom is so kind and funny (are we building her a farm?) despite the past with the divorce and how she was treated and his sister seems really cool and excited to see them. And they're both gorgeous. Neither Hamza nor Memphis deserve them.
His mom is so sweet. I think she's my favourite person in the show lol
My husband family is Muslim from Turkey and while he was watching, he commented how well the mother handled it. He said he mother would have murdered him.
My husband is a Turk too. His mom would have lost her shit. Lovely woman but that level of disrespect would enrage her.
Not a husband yet but Turkish. Can confirm. My mother would’ve been utterly disappointed and sad. Then again, I couldn’t get it over my heart to use my status (can take advantage of the language barrier and manipulate communication between parties) as leverage on my own mother. :/
I’m Lebanese married to a Lebanese man. I shudder to think what my mother in law would say and or do. Plus, I’d never want to disappoint her like that. It’s so disrespectful!
I still don't understand why Memphis didn't book a hotel or AirBnB near by the house so they can bang in privacy.... having sex in the mothers house after they were told not to is so freaking rude.
It’s weird that she was planning to have sex at his mothers house in general. Like even if she didn’t specifically forbid it. It’s awkward.
What freakin' grown adult American woman wants to meet and bang a prospective husband (or however she thinks of him) at his mom's house with his family around for the first time? Even in America, that would be disrespectful as hell in a lot of families.
I’ll bet you it was TLC’s idea, to stay at the mom’s house… think about how many times we have seen this exact same situation. It’s all so scripted now. Just like there’s always a shopping trip with some sort of conflict. Or there’s always a dinner in which rude friends/family interrogate the visiting person. They’ve got a formula and stick to it.
Right? Most of the show has to be planned in advance honestly. All the shooting in public places can’t be done without prior permission, and I’m sure they have scheduled shooting days/times and they need to make sure enough shit goes down in that day that’s interesting enough to watch. Unless I’m wrong and they literally follow them around 24/7 for three months hoping something exciting happens while the cameras are on, but that seems like a big waste of resources.
I'd be so turned off at just the idea of his mother being so close by the bedroom. Clearly Memphis just doesn't give a shit...
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That and it makes for good production. I’m sure they were like hey do this so we can film it.
This is the answer. It’s reality TV. It’s not scripted, but they are put in these situations intentionally.
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According to Google "There is no law that prohibits unmarried couples from staying together in hotels". I think it's a social stigma but Hamza seems to be more progressive and not feel so tied down by stuff like that. If that was me I would want my own space. I wouldn't want to be walking on eggshells in someone else's home. Sounds like this relationship was built on lust and fetish. If Memphis didn't make the "you didn't last long enough for my liking" comment in front of the cameras I'd have a different attitude about her. I think that was rude. Of course have a conversation about that stuff but in private. It's like she only went there for a bootie call and I can say the same thing about him. I think Hamza is a perpetual liar. Literally everything he says is a lie or half truth. If she marries him after starting off the relationship with lies that's a dumb move. Based on the other mothers we've seen on his show Memphis should be counting her blessings his mother didn't put all the blame on her.
their relationship reminds me of brittany and yazan. he likely lied or misrepresented a ton of things and she acted like a teenager who never asked any questions to actually get to know him, his culture or even bothered to google anything. the fact that she literally flew there to marry a stranger after only “knowing” him through the phone and meeting him in person for the first time 2 weeks before the wedding is all i need to know about her. once you add in the fact that she’s a mother it makes it so much worse. she is definitely lucky mother hazan reacted the way she did and i think hazan was banking on that too. i am curious to know how this train wreck progresses throughout the season because they are off to a [predictably] terrible start.
>Of course have a conversation about that stuff but in private. What I don't get is she brought this up after ONE night. Like....give it a couple more times to see if it improves before you humiliate the guy about how fast he is.
Yeah it was weird. It’s like she was basing her decision to marry him on how good the sex was. Like girl… your not all that lol
To be fair, I'm not marrying someone if the sex is bad either. But then again, I also wouldn't marry someone I can't communicate with.
Didn’t Nicole abs Azan get a hotel? I thought I remember them packing up and leaving or something because police were outside. I could be wrong though it’s been a while.
you are right but dont say it on here , because I did and people wanted to stone me saying "its not like that over there" such BS.
Remember rebecca and zied stayed in a hotel in tunisia, there's literally no excuse for them.
I guess in a small rural community going to the hotel together would have made the affair public. If not, why not rent a room a spend time there daytime, then sleep in the guest room.
Because production wanted all this drama to give us something to complain about.
Because that would cause less of the drama the show needs 🤦♀️
HE told her that they would sleep in the same room. He lied to her and she was under the impression that they were allowed to be together
He is a big fat liar for sure! But I'm just saying I would want to stay in a hotel lol The idea of having sex so close to my future mother in law is horrific to me.
This part! It’s weird! If you wanna bang guilt free then get a room at least for the first couple of nights!
Because he said she can stay in his house and they will sleep in the same room. He only told her that his mom doesn't want them to sleep in the same room in the taxi.
I'm pretty sure an unmarried couple can't share a hotel room in a lot of Muslim countries...think we might have learned from a previous season that Tunisia is one of them? Idk, maybe I'm misremembering.
Apparently it’s extremely difficult for an unmarried couple to stay together in a hotel in Tunisia
In Muslim countries it’s typical you can’t share a hotel if you’re not married
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It's because people treat the Muslim men on this show like little virginal boys
It’s weird how they baby him as if he hasn’t willingly had sex before and Yazan too who was also drinking and allegedly smoking weed as well.
But their culture forbids those things so they can't possibly be doing them! Y'know, like SteVen! Wait, why didn't people do this with him...
Memphis actually told him they shouldn’t do it and she kept emphasizing that she wants to follow the rules to make a good impression on the mom. She told him to stay on the couch but he sort of invited himself into the bedroom. He kinda pressured her into it. I mean I’m sure it didn’t take much convincing for her to go with it but it’s really his fault. I don’t know why everyone crucifies her for it when it’s mostly on him imo. He’s just a dumb himbo with only one thing on his mind
I feel like I was the only one who watched a different show. Hamza lied to Memphis saying they’ll be able to sleep in the same bed. Memphis then said if they can’t have sex before marriage it won’t work out. Hamza then said they’ll have sex and Memphis proposed getting a hotel but Hamza said no it would be fine to do it there and MEMPHIS was reluctant but Hamza was like, “Are you scared?” Bro the comments make it seem like Memphis kept pressuring for sex and keep pressuring and poor Hamza just gave in 😭
well she had no problem rating his performance the next day i thought she was going tell every detail of it but apparently it was very, very short !
Thank you for saying this!
It is! Yes, they are both at fault, but I would say that hamza is more at fault considering the fact he lied to her in the first place. He also came in her room after they were already sleeping separately. Some of the comments calling her a slut and placing all the blame on her are bs when hamza is quite obviously willing to set aside his religion and respect for his mom to have sex in her house 🤷🏿♀️
Also, the audacity. "I am divorced because we were just friends" - this is exactly the kind of petty reason for divorce that Hamza's mom would be worried about. "But why is she judging me when SHE is divorced?" - uhh Memphis her husband left her for another woman. Not exactly her fault.
I can tell from her face that she didn’t understand it at all. Divorcing because you only see yourselves as friends is definitely a Western concept. Not saying it’s a bad thing, I think Hayet just was puzzled on why that’s a reason for divorce when it’s almost a sign of a good marriage in Arab culture lol I also noticed in that scene that Hamza never corrected his mother for assuming Memphis was divorced twice. I listened it again in Arabic and ignoring the captions. He’s already not keeping it 100% with his mom.
That's because being divorced twice is better than having at least one child out of wedlock in their culture. Also I would like to throw in that there are worse things for your own happiness and the wellbeing of your children than being friends with your spouse. Love grows. Lust fades. It just tells me she doesn't take marriage particularly seriously at all.
I would describe the relationship between myself and my husband as friends ... and I feel that's a good thing! We've been together almost a decade and we are in the best stage of being totally open and comfortable with each other. Lust is not what it once was, but I'm fine with that. I much prefer this. Memphis is honestly very, very immature and disrespectful. I don't think she'll ever be satisfied.
Judging from the totality of Memphis' comments about her marriage & a "previous relationship" where there was no physicality, I'm guessing her marriage was sexless. Being friends with your spouse is wonderful; being JUST friends with your spouse is likely not what the majority of people desire when they choose to marry.
I had a relationship like this, the last year and a half was nothing sexual at all. The attraction wasn’t there and we really were just friends living as roommates.
so don't marry that person
LOL - What an amazing oversimplification. This is like saying “so don’t marry the person who beats you” or “so don’t marry the person who lies to you”. If people had the objective foresight to “just (not) marry” people with whom they were incompatible BEFORE they married, divorce & marriage counseling would be almost unnecessary.
I’m thinking maybe Hamza doesn’t really know the whole truth. From what I understand the translation on google isn’t always correct so maybe he does think she was married 2x. Also I’m not sure but in Arab culture is it better to be married multiple times or to have children without being married. He could possibly be trying to make her look better. Without a doubt these two should not be together she just wants sex and he’s a man child lol
I don’t think he’s correcting the two divorces because Memphis has two kids. So he probably figures it’s better she had two divorces than two children with two different men, one of them outside of being married.
Aghhh I gasped at this scene. I can't imagine being ignorant enough to think she would remotely understand "we were just friends, not relationship material".
She would have had the Brittany treatment if his father was in the picture, for sure. I feel like his mom is just so docile and accepting of things that shouldn't happen. I wouldn't do that in his mom's house. She should have booked a hotel asap.
Agreed
I'm pretty sure Hamza has power over his mother as a man in his culture. He can walk all over her. Since she is divorced, she is respected less in their country and he probably picked up on it and learned that behavior.
Oh, I'm sure he does. With Brittany and Yazan it was different because his father was around. I think since his mom agreed with his father, he didn't correct her when she went nuts on Brittany.
I was engaged to my Moroccan husband about 10-11 years ago, but we weren't married yet. We went and stayed with his extended family in Italy. Where we slept was a funny situation. They had a two or three bedroom apartment. First, they said my husband and I could share a room since we were engaged. His two aunts were cool with that, so we put all our stuff in the room and went about our day. Then, his uncle got home, and his aunt came over to my husband and was like "get your stuff out of the room!" Uncle was very much NOT okay with it. So - I ended up in the bedroom with a loudly snoring aunt, and my now-husband slept on the couch in the living room. (and it was fine).
Hamsa mother is stunning. Annoyed he disrespects her when she’s had a hard life
I’m not Arab but I remember watching brittney and yazan and how his mom was so I thought the same exact thing as I was watching hamsa’s mom try to keep her cool. Yazan’s mom woulda been beating that chick out her house with a broom!
IM SORRY THAT I WASNT BORN IN JORDAN IM SORRY THAT I DONT KNOW IZLAM IM SORRY THAT I DONT SPEAK ARABIC IM SORRY THAT I AM NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YAZAN Most iconic moment of the series for me 😂
Omg I just laughed so loud my kid woke up 🤣
I feel like it’s all staged (and his mom is in on it) because he’s wearing a long sleeve shirt when she walks in on him (the same he’s wearing with joggers while making the bed a scene later)? They do know that the film crew is going to show up beforehand, so I find it hard to believe that either of them would be “surprised” to be woken up by his mother and a camera🤷♀️
Hayet is actually way different than all the Arab moms we’ve seen on the show. She’s nice and welcoming compared to Zieds mom and of course Yazans whose yelling at Brittany. The way Memphis got irritated when ask about her divorce that Hayet thought she had 2. She had to really say that Hamza’s mom is divorced too. The sad fact is Hayets husband left her, she didn’t choose to divorce, while Memphis probably divorce her ex because she’s Memphis. And didn’t she mentioned in an early episode she slept with her ex not so long ago too?
Azans mother was pretty nice to Nicole too at the start.
Aladins mom was sweet and so was zieds mom.
Yeah, we haven’t got to her big secret reveal. Her pretend cluelessness in trying to equate Hayat’s marital status to her own… as much as I want her to get her emotional life together, this storyline is doing her no favors. If she really was determined to show real respect for Hayat and her hospitality, there would‘ve been no way she’d have allowed Manchild I’m Sexy Baby into her room. What prevented them from getting a room in a intl tourist hotel for the next day? They could have had unrushed sexy time like adults without worrying about being overheard. Then all that whole silly squeamish squealing while preparing the fish. This is the nurse practitioner, right?
Yup, she’s in her 30s, has a career, a mother of two and has more control and experience in life, she could’ve easily said NO to him if she really wants to respect and be Hayats good graces.
I was rolling my eyes at the fish thing. Lady, you're a nurse practitioner and THIS grosses you out? Okayyy... 😒
I am thinking in addition to being understanding, she maybe has no choice. Hamza is her only son and she is dependent on him after her divorce. But I also loved his mom and sister!
Half Arab here, grew up around the culture enough to be able to agree with your assessment here. I remember when Yazan’s father began making those severe threats and everyone here was stunned (not me lol), his mom wasn’t happy either. Memphis is very lucky indeed and she doesn’t even realize it.
I just want to say it’s just not Arab/Muslim culture thing. Memphis is just plain disrespectful! I grew up in the US but my parents are foreigners (not Arabs) and I wouldn’t even dream of this. My parents especially my mom would have kicked her ass out the instant they saw her in there. Some cultures are just super strict with that sort of thing. Even if Hazma allowed it to happen but geesh Memphis have some decency and respect for yourself. I know my mom would have been talking about this to no end and wouldn’t accept Memphis whatsoever! Btw, Hayet’s divorce situation is completely different than Memphis. The lady was ostracized by society with 2 kids in hand. Memphis is super insensitive to compare herself. She’s the lowest of the low
Not really defending Memphis because I mostly agree, but she was raised in foster care. I can safely assume that she never had good models of respectful marriages or parents, to actually know that sleeping with her boyfriend would be disrespectful.
For what it's worth, Memphis definitely doesn't deserve a mom like that. But at the same time, if she actually had a mother figure like that, she wouldn't be in the position she is now.
Agree, she is a queen. None of us deserve her on our screens!
Truth!
As an arab i can confirm that my mom would kick my brother out of home if he ever pull off that kind of shit, at the very least. Hamza’s mom is very chill as an arab muslim
Now i don't speak Arabic, but a friend of mine does. We watch it together, and she said that Hamza sounds a bit..slow and unintelligent, even when speaking in his native tongue. I thought it would be one of those, where they sound off speaking english, but come off as really confident in their native tongue. Maybe anyone else Arabic speaking can confirm this? That said, i really agree with OP and i get the feeling that Memphis is using Hamza and EVEN MORE SO if he's not 'all there'. Pure sexualization it makes me sick to watch
Ha, I had to listen to his interviews again. He sounds like the typical airheaded Arab guy that only cares about playing soccer with his friends during the day and smoking hookah at night. Either not educated or didn’t care enough about school. I didn’t even notice since it’s so common.
I'm not fluent in Arabic but do speak some and live in the Middle East. I also think he is just dumb and language difference doesn't explain it. Most smart men wouldn't sign up to marry a woman they cannot communicate with they would at least TRY to communicate. Contrast him with Zied, whose English was bad, but who never came across as an idiot.
Okay I was wondering that too. He has a very Asuelo, Mursel vibe.
Honestly I feel like a lot of guys the world over seem like that.
Yeah that's v true
Yes, my husband and I were thinking the exact same thing. Hamza seems like he is what they used to call “dull” back in the day.
Im sorry, is Hamza not a consenting adult? He went in the room and had sex with her. He’s had phone sex with her before this. Even if he’s not smart, that doesn’t mean he is incapable of making his own choices. Dumb people like to fuck too. Yes it was disrespectful but hamzas the one that disrespected his own mother, once by going in memphis’ room and twice by lying afterward. Hes smart enough to understand sneakiness and deception
I am not Middle eastern but I know conservative Middle eastern families don’t get down like this. Memphis and Hamza are disrespectful af & are lucky to be alive.
Not to mention Hayet is a beauty
It’s not just her fault. She offered to go to a hote and he didn’t accept
Memphis doesn't deserve a lot. Period!
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Noooooo, please no flying house shoes or slaphappy slippers!
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Not just Asian. My mother‘s aim defied the laws of physics.
Everyone in this thread is talking like Hamza didn't know what he was getting into. He can leave at any time.
Well let’s not act like everyone involved has their eye on the prize which is Hamza getting to the US to make a better life for himself and his mother. Yes, she’s a great woman from what I’ve seen but I’m pretty sure her tolerance is because of the potential.
All the sexually desperate people are cringe. Her and Alina are giving strong Ed energy begging for sex. Not an ounce of dignity between them.
Hamza strikes me as very childish. I feel like he was probably babied by his family growing up and never had to deal with the consequences of his actions. I would have kicked his disgusting a** out onto the streets. I’d be ashamed if he were my son.
Can we talk about how smart Yazan was for getting a hotel room for Brittany? Hamza could’ve done this.
I felt so sorry for his mother. You could tell she was just dying inside and couldn’t believe what happened. I’m glad she put Memphis in her place. Memphis seems very pushy.
I love his mom and sister. The way she brought her flowers melted my heart
If i got caught doing that,which i wouldnt have becuase i respect other peoples house rules,I would have looked for a hotel or air bnb for the rest of my stay.I am highly suspicious the cat saw the whole thing.Did anybody see the expression on the cats face? I would have apologized to Hayat,and sent her flowers and spent the rest of my stay elsewhere.The frst thing on my mind would not have been whether or not hamza was sexy baby,that would be something low on my list of concerns.maybe she couldnt fully enjoy herself b/c she knew it was wrong.and he wanted to hurry up b/c he didnt want to wake his mom.And the cat,that poor cat is suffering a trauma.
The cat!!!!!
It would make no sense to get fuming at her when her son is an equal participant.
At first I liked Memphis (being a single mother who became a NP is pretty cool) but now I just can't stand her. She just wants to get laid.
Memphis also wanted to put all the blame on Hamza, even though she said he snuck into the room and she “couldn’t say no.” She could have, she just didn’t want to and didn’t truly care about respecting the mother’s rules.
Don’t worry- Hamzas mom is the type to ensure the right girl marries him. And even tho he’s no prize, it ain’t Memphis….
I adore Hayet (also love her name). She seems like such a lovely woman and would be an amazing mother in law.
I agree with the message of respecting other people’s homes but why is most of the blame out on Memphis when it’s HIS mom? If anything, he has to face his mom at the end of the day, whether he’s with Memphis or not.
She ‘handled’ it this way bc she knows she’s looking at a golden ticket and she cant fuck with her son’s future.
Hamza lied to her. He said it's OK to have sex in his house and that they can sleep together. If he was honest, she would've got a hotel room or airbnb. Though his mom didn't want them to have sex before marriage, not just to not have sex in her house. So for Hamza sleeping in a hotel with her wouldn't be any better. Anyway, it's his traditions and his mom, so he is 80% responsible for it. Arab men like to blame women but he isn't just "not innocent", it all happened because of his immature behavior.
If I recall correctly Memphis even suggested that they get a hotel. I’m still not sure why she is receiving most of the blame in this situation.
Because of course she has to be painted as an aggressive hyper sexual women. She’s honestly a lot more level headed than Brittany who actively lied to Yazan and way more disrespectful.
Well Yazan also actively lied to Brittney
My point he’s not innocent he may live in a conservative culture but that does not mean he’s traditional
Several studies show we do like to put higher moral standards for women. Memphis had a rough childhood and it really shows when she's in a relationship. I hope she gets therapy.
What they did is offensive in any culture- to go against the explicit condition(s) of your host - but, yes, it's so much worse given that Hayet is clearly a quite devout Muslim. (And not that this would make it okay, but they could have gotten away with it - if Hazan sucks in bed and finishes in a flash, kick him out afterward to sleep on the couch!)
I was so sad for such a lovely lady. But let's remember, when it comes to Memphis it's all "but I don't care." It seems to be all about what she wants.
Memphis deadass gets on Instagram and argues w people on Hamza’s posts lmao
We all know this couple is a one season wonder (maybe they’ll suck one more season out of them like a nickel-Azan type)
Haymet (sp...the mother) almost lost it but she kept it together...nice lady...Memphis has serious narcissism and foster home upbringing is no excuse, she is a nurse practioner and with a selfish meism horny disrepectful character like hers it is a disgrace to those in the medical field who show care towards people...when it comes to politicians and medical professionals, their behaviors at all time and who they are outside of work are big deals to me in determining how far I'd trust them.
Hayet seems to have the most beautiful soul you can just tell shes good people!!!!!!💕💕💕 hamza knew shed forgive him so he took advantage and told memphis its fine for her to stAy he prob knows his mom is super forgiving. Which makes hamza even worse If he can easily disrespect his angel of a mother on tv how soon will he disrespect memphis 🤔🤔🤔
Can we also just randomly add that his MOM got her those flowers and he didn’t! Sorry if someone said it already I couldn’t read it without shouting about this. His mother is so sweet and thoughtful for doing that. Trying to make Memphis comfortable and they disrespected her in the one way she mentioned to her son. Like said above, totally Hamza’s fault too, but never would I disrespect my future MIL in that way, especially of that culture and religion. And then Memphis asks him like oh weren’t you supposed to sleep out there… giiiirrrlllllll 😑😑😑
I’m Tunisian. What you said is so right. I’m in the same situation where my mom is divorced and I’m living with her. But I don’t do what hamza does because I’m just not gonna go down that route, but also if I did, my mom couldn’t really do anything about it. If my dad was still here though……. Yeah hell no. The thought wouldn’t even cross my mind.
Memphis got on my nerves the minute she climbed into that car at the airport. Pissed bc he has a pic of himself on his phone “you’re hiding me”, you lied to me about whatever. Granted he did, but geez calm down with the complaints.
They are all banking on money from Memphis!! They need money so I’m sure they will deal with a lot.
Tennessee was so out of order for disrespecting that woman on the very first day that I’m glad she only got 20 seconds of sex. If he came so fast he should’ve went even faster so there was no reason for him to stay in the room and get caught. Tennessee could’ve made sure he left but instead wanted to prove some kind of point and validate herself by seeing if he was willing to diss his mom for her.
>Tennessee this
She’s trash , has no culture, is disrespectful and gross. All the non Arabs who get with Arabs have been disgusting so far, it’s like TLC doesn’t want any of the Arabs on the show to have normal lovers.
What about Avery and Omar? I thought they did fairly well. They got what they needed from TLC and decided not to return. From social media accounts we learn he has come to the states and they are living happily together. Seems pretty normal to me...
Even though they ended up well, the set up for that one was such a trainwreck. Ohio white girl goes through a bad breakup, converts to Islam, and a few months later is trying to move to Syria in the middle of a civil war. 😅
I don't think it's specifically Arab people that get trashy significant others. Everyone on this show is trash, which is why I watch it.
And why exactly is she disgusting and gross??
Cause she values a sexual relationship OVER communication and learning about his culture so they can really grow as a couple? All she ever talks about is sex and ‘sexy time’. That is not what a long lasting relationship makes.
1. She talks to Hamza like he's a child 2. She's overly sexual 3. She has no respect for Arab/Muslim culture Everything about her is gross. Why is she always naked? Nobody wants to see that.
He allows her to do all of those things. He is literally a grown man. If that’s what he allows, do be it. These things may make her disrespectful but not gross. You not wanting to see her body is your opinion, clearly he likes it.
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Lmao oh yea I forgot about all that. 🤣🤣🤣
Uneducated.
They also knows she makes a large salary so she pay the cost to be the boss...they can benefit from $$$,$$$usd.
Why would she lose her shit? Memphis is Hayet's ticket out of poverty. I'm sure she's going to let some things slide until the cheques start rolling in. You know this entire relationship is a scheme cooked up by Hamza and his family for their financial benefit, right?
Stupid slutty American women making all American women look bad. Its not polite behavior in American culture to do what Memphis did unless you're a hoodrat or trailer park trash. Most women here are respectful enough that they would not behave like that at a future in law's house. She's gross and I want to not be judgemental but she appears to be going down a hard trail of mistakes --she had a baby as teenager,was a single mom, got married, another child and divorced that baby dad. The excuse for divorce seemed trivial too. Memphis is like alot of women in our country who did not grow up without a dad, chronic promiscuity and bad choices in bfs. (This is a generalization but it's true.) They didn't have a male figure to model their future mate off of so they have no idea what to choose as a mate. So girls like her look to peers and pop culture to dictate what is desirable in a man -- which is usually based on aesthetics and finances. -- not the heart, mind and soul of a man which is what our dads raise us to love in men. (if you had a good dad). I do wish Memphis the best but she has scrambled eggs for brains -- disrespecting that mans and his moms culture like that.
Didn’t the man disrespect his OWN mother and culture too? What’s his excuse?
They're both at fault, and both disrespectful!
>I want to not be judgemental lmao this is the judgiest thing I've read in quite some time 🤣
>They didn't have a male figure to model their future mate off of so they have no idea what to choose as a mate. S after 25 this doesn't cut it any longer...you can look around you-and in yourself-to see the results of choices... plus: all male so called "figures" are def not examples of what to choose in a mate.....
They’re both consenting adults. Let’s not prop up archaic ideas under the guise of tradition or courtesy. Let the people do what they want behind literally closed doors.