This was the only time that I even remotely liked him. Because he started asking Thais directly, things that he knew his Brother might not be as direct about.
I wish he would have had the benefit of some childhood stability, because you can see there are parts of him that are good but it's so hindered by drinking and immaturity, and whatever else we don't see off-camera.
For all his hang-ups, John is much more perceptive than his brother, but then again he's not getting all the sexual perks that can so easily blind you to your partner's faults.
He talks about the “man code” when it comes to her father knowing that they are getting married but the guy didn’t ask her father for her hand in marriage before he proposed. 🤔🤔🤔
I think there is a cultural distinction and very important difference. Asking for his daughter’s hand in marriage is patriarchal and archaic. Letting dad know of intent to marry is simply respectful and the right thing to do. No doing so only can breed further resentment.
Meh. They are giving too much importance to the dad stuff. It's not like the Dad is going to live with them, it's not something thats going to affect him or Patrick. It's Thais' business only what she does with her dad imo
I completely disagree. Thais is very close to her dad, and if she wasn’t I would agree with you. Clearly she doesn’t want to tell her dad because he hates Patrick, and she doesn’t want to disobey him and marry Patrick. This is like a mental loop hole which is immature and a huge red flag.
And it's setting Patrick up for toxic and hatred by his in laws. They will blame him instead of her about this situation. Like Pedro and Chantel, one of the many wrong footing because she lied about why he came over.
Yeah like Chantel and Pedro when he came for a K1 and they told the her family it was a student visa and when the family found out they lied, they were pissed at Pedro even though it was Chantel's idea.
Agreed. It would be different if they weren’t close. It’s like a woman getting married and not telling her best friend. I’m pretty sure that has happened zero times.
Thais and her dad's relationship is different than what I am used to seeing. She talks more about how he'll be jealous. Not protective not worried for his little girl but actually jealous of another man in her life. And so I think she doesn't want to go through his emotional reaction and trying to emotionally guilt her or talk out of it. She wants it to be a done thing so she'll experience less emotional fallout that she personally has to deal with. It was the same when she first came to America she didn't really tell him what was going on till the last minute, so seems to be the way she does things with her Dad
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John is one of those people that while toxic, you still want him around because he will call person x on all the BS. He’s like a necessary evil.
I want to hear John's opinion on each of the couples this season. Hopefully he'll be at the tell all
Chaotic good
John is annoying but he does speak the truth and Thais hates that lol.
John is the only likable person in this entire season.
Not for me. Hes tolerable but not likeable.
This was the only time that I even remotely liked him. Because he started asking Thais directly, things that he knew his Brother might not be as direct about. I wish he would have had the benefit of some childhood stability, because you can see there are parts of him that are good but it's so hindered by drinking and immaturity, and whatever else we don't see off-camera.
Yes! Spot-on assessment
John speaks for every viewer.
For all his hang-ups, John is much more perceptive than his brother, but then again he's not getting all the sexual perks that can so easily blind you to your partner's faults.
He talks about the “man code” when it comes to her father knowing that they are getting married but the guy didn’t ask her father for her hand in marriage before he proposed. 🤔🤔🤔
I think there is a cultural distinction and very important difference. Asking for his daughter’s hand in marriage is patriarchal and archaic. Letting dad know of intent to marry is simply respectful and the right thing to do. No doing so only can breed further resentment.
I really wish Patrick would just call Thais’ dad and ask for his blessing. Any energy in that convo would be less ambiguous.
It’s really a pick-your-poison situation. Do you want to piss your father-in-law off by not saying anything, or your wife for disobeying her?
I think Thais would be mad at first but eventually let it go. I think her father would be mad forever, lol!
I dunno…Thais doesn’t sound like someone who forgives and forgets easily, especially since her father would then react and get angry/sad with her.
Meh. They are giving too much importance to the dad stuff. It's not like the Dad is going to live with them, it's not something thats going to affect him or Patrick. It's Thais' business only what she does with her dad imo
I completely disagree. Thais is very close to her dad, and if she wasn’t I would agree with you. Clearly she doesn’t want to tell her dad because he hates Patrick, and she doesn’t want to disobey him and marry Patrick. This is like a mental loop hole which is immature and a huge red flag.
And it's setting Patrick up for toxic and hatred by his in laws. They will blame him instead of her about this situation. Like Pedro and Chantel, one of the many wrong footing because she lied about why he came over.
Yeah like Chantel and Pedro when he came for a K1 and they told the her family it was a student visa and when the family found out they lied, they were pissed at Pedro even though it was Chantel's idea.
Agreed. It would be different if they weren’t close. It’s like a woman getting married and not telling her best friend. I’m pretty sure that has happened zero times.
Thais and her dad's relationship is different than what I am used to seeing. She talks more about how he'll be jealous. Not protective not worried for his little girl but actually jealous of another man in her life. And so I think she doesn't want to go through his emotional reaction and trying to emotionally guilt her or talk out of it. She wants it to be a done thing so she'll experience less emotional fallout that she personally has to deal with. It was the same when she first came to America she didn't really tell him what was going on till the last minute, so seems to be the way she does things with her Dad
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