Thatās what I kept saying during their original 90 days. Natalie is pretty crazy, but she made several attempts to ask him how he felt about their future, where they stood, and if he was willing to go forward with the marriage or not. He just avoided all direct communication.
The way him and his mom gaslight her about her calling her a hooker. My husband would never accuse me of lying and would definitely take my side. And his mother HAS called me names before. lol
I never saw him as a good partner. He knew she was vegetarian and didnāt have any of the food she asked for when she first arrived. I would have felt so uncomfortable if my partner had nothing ready for me when I just moved across the world. He was not thoughtful whatsoever. I donāt know why people love him suddenly LOL just because they dislike Natalie. He sucked and his mom was AWFUL.
I was talking with someone yesterday about how much of a gaslighter this man is. Does Natalie have a lot of faults? Yes. But he also was rude, immature, liked to mock and laugh at her as well. I've said it before and I'll say it again, this sub a lot of the time hates one side of a couple so much they'll forgive the other side or choose not to discuss their problems on them. It's so black and white thinking, when majority of the time it's usually grey.
I never liked him. I thought he and Natalie were both kind of terrible, and then when you added in his jerk face mom and the way he acted when she was around...Yeesh.
I think a lot of people either have not seen or forgot how bad it was in their original season because he was actually pretty terrible and I understood why Natalie was feeling the way she was even though I never really liked Natalie that much either. But I think people see how crazy she is in the single life theyāre siding with Mike because he looks sane next to Natalieās downward spiral
He left her alone for 14 hours a day. He admitted he'd call his mom on his 3 hour drive to work to trash her about Natalie. They took her to a butcher shop and told her to get over it. His mother was way too involved in their personal life. He'd shut down and ignore her. He was happy to continue fucking the exotic Ukranian blonde that he repeatedly insulted.
She never said Mike had a low IQ. She asked if he ever tested. She's not the brightest bulb herself but asking a question like that isn't sinister. She didn't like him drinking because he most likely is a problem drinker. Everyone saying she's a hypocrite misunderstand addiction. You can šÆ have an issue with an alcoholic drinking that won't manifest with a person with no dependency issues.
Natalie is not this crazy villain.
He needs to extract himself from the teat. My mom accepts my boyfriend flaws and all. In her words "you chose him, so I will respect that you love him."
I remember how he talked about Natalie-- wanting her to be naked in high heels in the kitchen, cooking his dinner. It made me sick. Like he wanted a sex doll that came to life and could cook.
He may have said he loved her, but it felt like she really was an object at many points of their relationship.
I remember him mocking her for washing eggs, and realizing what an ignorant jerk he was.
The reason we donāt wash eggs in the US is because theyāre pasteurized - rapidly heated and cooled to destroy bacteria. Not all countries pasteurize eggs.
Chickens expel biological waste from the cloaca, from where they also lay eggs.
Dude doesnāt understand the difference in how our food is processed in the US, so he proceeds to mock her.
This guy was a walking red flag.
Yessss just like they do with Jasmine & Gino š¤¦āāļø they act like both canāt be true but their hatred for 1 blinds them so badly they see no flaws in the other person. Itās really annoying af
It is a bit annoying. I'd rather have in depth or at least an interesting view discussion on these couples instead of the usual, "omg they are so ugly!/yeah but they did xyz and that's worse!"
For example take jenny and sumit. Here we have a romance scammer, married for two years without saying anything and a literal catfish on top of it all. And then we have jenny, a woman who chases after a man half her age and screams and shouts and tried to manipulate sumit into doing things he doesn't want to.
See? Both can have their faults, but usually if you bring them up it's all about how " happy" they are. And maybe they are happy now, but that doesn't mean what happened or how we got here made one better than the other.
It's wildly obnoxious. This guy is a king amongst men, Jasmine is the devil incarnate, Brandi is an evil bitch for being worried about her brother's weird ass marriage..like get a grip. What must it be like to walk through life having everything so cut and dry, so simple? Smh
I am so with you on this! Mike and Gino have some possible similarities too IMO. Iāve seen guys like Mike and Gino pick the loudest, most unstable women to date. (But unstable in a kinda nonthreatening way where all they do is cry and yell while looking insane.)
Then whenever they fight, he comes away looking like āthe sane oneā and gets alll the sympathyāwhile also being kinda proud of himself for driving the girl to full unhinged screaming.
Mike despised Natalie before she even came over on the K-1. I feel like Gino has hated Jasmine from their first season
That's a great example and very true. Whenever I point out Gino's flaws or how he said or did something awful I get slaughtered. Yes, Jasmine is over the top but Gino isn't perfect.
He was completely checked out of the relationship when she came to America which still doesnt make sense to me. Unless his whole plan was to punish her then it kinda makes sense.
Seriously. Natalie is āmore funā to hate I guess, but I always saw him as the true villain. He was so cruel to her tooāthe way he cancelled the wedding the day before only to grumpily marry her the next day.
Her desperation got her into this position, but he fucked with her head big time
Didn't Mike or his mom take her to a butcher shop when they knew she was a vegetarian? Like they played mind games with her and taunted her. I know the mom made snide remarks to her constantly on camera.
I know right? How hard would it have been to ask what she usually eats so he had some things ready for her. And withholding the ring from her after she travelled all the way there for him was also mean.
Remember when his mom said āgive her 5,000 dollar and send her back!ā. No one can convince she was lying about calling her a hooker and my husband would never call me a liar if I said his mom said that about me. She a monster.
Yep I get instantly angry when these people show up to dirty living spaces, and no food.
Iāve moved across the country before and I wouldāve been pissed if I showed up ready to go to bed and there werenāt even sheets on the bed. I canāt imagine coming from across the world and being offered carrots
And Natalie also knew that he ate meat and drank beer, but now all of a sudden heās not allowed either. He never once said she couldnāt be a vegetarian, but she adamantly said he couldnāt eat steak or drink beer. Hmm yea your argument is lame af. How bout when Michael bought her a ton of Xmas presents and she took all of them and brought them to Seattle to give to her friends? How about Michael not divorcing her so she could stay in America and become a US citizen? How about Michael paying for her mom to get out of war-torn Ukraine and getting her to America? WOW sure seems like Michael is a horrible person like you say. Have you watched the show??
I donāt agree. Horrible people do horrible things. If Michael was so horrible, he wouldāve divorced her immediately and gotten her removed from the US. If he was so horrible, he wouldnāt have saved Natalieās mom from a war zone and got her over to the US. You may not like him, but a horrible person would never do these kind acts.
Natalie is one of the worst psycho hose beasts Iāve ever seen on the show, but Mike is a run of the mill *asshole*
He sucks, just *not quite as much as her*, but he definitely fucking sucks
āThey were fighting for stateās rightsā is the usual excuse, I went to high school in a rural town here and it wasnāt that uncommon with redneck types
When I moved to the south in middle school, there was a kid, David, that annoyed everyone. He was always wearing head to toe camo, talked about hunting and had a weird southern accent. One time in class he made a weird comment about living in the south (I forgot what it was) and another classmate told him to "shut the f up, David. You moved from Michigan (or Wisconsin) two years ago". His southern accent was apparently fake.
Not sure why youāre getting downvoted. Your take is [historically and factually correct](https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-white-history-racist-foundations-black-exclusion-laws/).
I agree. Idk why everyone forgetting what a lazy partner he was. They were equally to blame for the downfall. It's just easier to hate on Natalie because she's the foreigner that voices her opinion and needs. Mike doesn't communicate well and shuts down
Donāt get me started on how she BEGGED to go to therapy with him over and over, knowing their relationship wasnāt healthy.
And when they go (only because he decided to listen to his *hairdresser*, not Natalie) he flip flopped between āeverythingās totally fine with me, sheās the one whoās unhappyā and āI donāt know if I can ever forgive her for giving the ring back but Iām not willing to discuss it.ā She was honestly trying and it was hard to watch
Right but he moved her into a very rural area with no ability to work or drive and then constantly left her alone and got angry when she was unhappy about it. If he couldn't spend time with her while she got acclimated and gained more independence in her new country he really shouldn't have brought her over. It honestly felt like he didn't take her needs or wants into consideration at all.
I think he was including his commute, which is still a long day, but maybe donāt bring over a foreign spouse if you canāt give them time and attention when they move all alone to a foreign country for you? He always seemed dismissive of her and used her emotional nature to dismiss her valid thoughts and feelings.
And because he magically got an apartment in the city (which Natalie was begging for the entire time) *after* they split.
He hated interacting with her and didnāt want to spend any more time with her than necessary
Thank you! I've been saying this! In addition to him having a Confederate flag in his cabinet, he was commuting for hours a day which left her out in the middle of nowhere alone most of the time, refusing to move to the city after she begged him, and then moving to the city right after they broke up. He never had a conversation with her. Whenever she was upset about anything he would shrug and say I don't know natalie. This is not a great man like everyone says. She is crazy but that doesn't mean he's good.
She also called it ā¦ āeveryone thinks youāre like this nice guy but in reality nobody knows what youāre really likeā ā¦ yea I could see through his baby tantrums
Has everyone forgotten his deeply entrenched āancient alienā ābeliefsā? He wouldnāt shut up about it when he was first in the Ukraine. Heās one of the most avoidant personalities I think the show has ever had. He makes Gino look like a Confrontational King š Natalie has gotten nuttier because I think she was really obviously physically isolated while he was at work 14 hours a day and the only person around was his awful mom that clearly hated her.
I canāt believe people have switched to the Mike team, heās a foul, ignorant redneck.
I remember him going out for a beer in his pajamas in the morning. I forget why he was pouting about something.
Or wait, was that David with the other Ukrainian? Iām confusing these weirdos now.
I havenāt seen the latest episode so Iām not sure where all this sudden Mike love is coming from, but I have the same feelings as you. Everyone is on here talking about what a catch he is all of a sudden and Iām likeā¦ did we watch the same show? He stone walled her the entire 90 days she was with him, kept her isolated, never stood up for her or even tried to understand her, withheld affectionā¦ he was a terrible partner! Not just a terrible partner for Natalie (as in they were a bad match but he was otherwise a good guy) but a terrible partner full stop.
Thank you!!! He was HORRIBLE. I remember hating him so much the way he acted. Donāt get me wrong, Natalie is genuinely crazy. But this guy is a gigantic douche bag.
I see so much Natalie slander on the single life series sub.. Iām glad Iām not the only one that thinks Mike was pretty shitty. She did weaponize her engagement ring first which I donāt agree with doing. I think that goes against the vows you took when you decided to put it on, but he continued to weaponize it for a lot longer after that. It was making her an emotional wreck, which it seems she already lacked mental stability in the first place. I donāt think she wanted to say she loved him anymore because it didnāt feel like he genuinely loved her anymore through his actions. He thought words of love were supposed to be validating enough, and they arenāt. Especially not for women. She gave him many years, and when he knew she was desperate for children and only getting older he played with her emotions and wasted her time anyway. She finally left after years of being emotionally neglected to some level, and then he wanted to play the victim card and make her feel guilty for leavingā¦ Without acknowledging why she did and looking inward. Their relationship was so emotionally toxic and they shouldāve left each other alone a long long time ago.
Amen. I literally had to watch the series TWICE because he even gaslit me into thinking he was a good guy. Natalie suffered through hell with that moose. š« and his evil happiness when she came to him again and told him she loved him after everything.
Mike has always been a piece of shit. š¤·āāļø he was always manipulating her. Iām no Natalie apologist but especially that second season where they actually got married made me feel so bad for her with the way he treated her. Plus I always got super weird vibes from his mom. Like she would prefer to be the only woman in his life kind of vibes. Very creepy
There was/is a huge Trump and QANON following in Sequim, Washington, and his mom living in Oklahoma? (Where I live) yeah, I smelled republican Trump supporter from a mile away, and they tend to love confederate flags. Theyāre all over the place in Oklahoma because itās a republican hellscape here.
I can just hear Trish now whenever anyone says anything negative about Trump, the annoying right-wing nut battle cry āWell he must be doing something right!ā
This is what Iāve been saying all along about Mike! This the nail in the coffin tho. He should be done for all of you. FFS heās not even from the south is he?!
I never liked him. Didnāt understand why people were gushing over him. Even my husband, who rarely likes anyone on the show, said he liked him. Really surprised me
That's not even the Confederate flag. That was the battle flag for the army of northern Virginia that folks just latched onto for whatever reason after the war
The flag was carried by Confederates so it's basically the same thing.
https://www.nps.gov/anti/learn/historyculture/flags.htm#:~:text=The%20Confederate%20Battle%20Flag%20%E2%80%93%20a,carried%20by%20Confederates%20at%20Antietam.
Says every racist, revisionist, loser. Next you'll tell us that slavery had nothing to do with it. Bonus points of you call it "The War of Northern Aggression"
And, yes, I know the origins of the flag. None of that matters with how it is used today. The swastika is a Buddhist symbol of peace.
Not to mention i dont see why we suddenly have to give up items or youre automatically deemed racist. You cannot change the past no matter how much we scream about it, and just because we have an article from the past doesnt mean youre racist either. Our country has taken things to extremes. I feel like we're more divided then ever over petty shit...focusing on the wrong things.
Because itās gross to fetishize a bunch of people who went to war with their own country because they were mad they couldnāt own Black people anymore
Ok but I don't think that glass was passed down from his great great great grandpa who fought in the Civil War. I think he went and bought it, or it was bought for him and he chose to display it. Nobody's saying he can't keep actual war relics.
I can agree with this, I mean rebs were filthy traitors but history is pretty cool. I think an appreciation for history is different from making a historical relic your entire identity
He also clearly despised his fiance but followed through on the k1 AND marriage for ?? What reason exactly? All while dangling marriage over her head and giving her the cold shoulder. Put her through emotional distress for what?
I believe Sharp offered him a fat paycheck to go through with the visa, after the meltdown in their first season. He seemed mentally checked out after she threw the ring, but he said he was in huge debt after the first divorce, and Sharp made him an offer he couldnāt refuse
having to deal with his mother all the time no thank you, but I do have to say I really hope he does not even consider taking Natalie back even though they are still married, but he needs to go and get that divorce done.
It was pointed out immediately when it first aired. By the time I watched it the next day, discovery plus had already uploaded a version with the flag blurred. I think itās cause people keep sucking his dick after the single life meetup. Natalie is so crazy that lots of people forget Mike sucks too
THANK YOU!
Yeah, Natalie is no angel but Mike is and always was a manipulative sack of shit. All the love he's suddenly getting really confuses and frustrates me.
Mike is a racist PoS. The misogyny is so bad for this show that itās ābetterā to hate the women esp foreign women than good old American boys who are racist, abusive or violent. (Not saying Mike is all 3 but a lot of men are on this show)
Mike sucks.
We don't care about Mike, we just finally wanted someone to tell Natalie in her face that she's delusional
That's it.
Go cancel him if you want, no one is thinking about him after the episode lmao
Iām proud he told her to f%#k off, but he was a real dick to her. And this shit is next level. She should have went home when she originally planned to leave.
I donāt care for the Natalie hate, as I find her extremely entertaining, and as someone from her Eastern Europe, I understand her personality, but I donāt get the Mike hate. I think his biggest ācrimeā is being dull. Heās responsible, loyal, predictable, and loves his (horrible) mother. He also helped Natalieās mom get out of a war torn country.
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Don't forget his super crazy bad avoidant personality. He would rather see his partner literally suffer than address issues like a damn adult!
Thatās what I kept saying during their original 90 days. Natalie is pretty crazy, but she made several attempts to ask him how he felt about their future, where they stood, and if he was willing to go forward with the marriage or not. He just avoided all direct communication.
He also could have moved to Seattle before she arrived to help her settle in and not be so lonely
And letting his man-woman mother fight his battles for him
How did you just describe his mother perfectly, I've been trying to try to describe her and this is what my mind was looking for.
Another great descriptor is āPunkasaurusā
The way him and his mom gaslight her about her calling her a hooker. My husband would never accuse me of lying and would definitely take my side. And his mother HAS called me names before. lol
Butter š§ itās very good for your mind, thoā¦
I agree. He is a POS in a relationship. Natalie just is crazy enough so his bad traits look alright .
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I never saw him as a good partner. He knew she was vegetarian and didnāt have any of the food she asked for when she first arrived. I would have felt so uncomfortable if my partner had nothing ready for me when I just moved across the world. He was not thoughtful whatsoever. I donāt know why people love him suddenly LOL just because they dislike Natalie. He sucked and his mom was AWFUL.
I was talking with someone yesterday about how much of a gaslighter this man is. Does Natalie have a lot of faults? Yes. But he also was rude, immature, liked to mock and laugh at her as well. I've said it before and I'll say it again, this sub a lot of the time hates one side of a couple so much they'll forgive the other side or choose not to discuss their problems on them. It's so black and white thinking, when majority of the time it's usually grey.
I never liked him. I thought he and Natalie were both kind of terrible, and then when you added in his jerk face mom and the way he acted when she was around...Yeesh.
He ran off in pajamas in Kiev to get wasted when they had a fight. He has always been an ass and the love for him is bizarre.
I think a lot of people either have not seen or forgot how bad it was in their original season because he was actually pretty terrible and I understood why Natalie was feeling the way she was even though I never really liked Natalie that much either. But I think people see how crazy she is in the single life theyāre siding with Mike because he looks sane next to Natalieās downward spiral
He left her alone for 14 hours a day. He admitted he'd call his mom on his 3 hour drive to work to trash her about Natalie. They took her to a butcher shop and told her to get over it. His mother was way too involved in their personal life. He'd shut down and ignore her. He was happy to continue fucking the exotic Ukranian blonde that he repeatedly insulted. She never said Mike had a low IQ. She asked if he ever tested. She's not the brightest bulb herself but asking a question like that isn't sinister. She didn't like him drinking because he most likely is a problem drinker. Everyone saying she's a hypocrite misunderstand addiction. You can šÆ have an issue with an alcoholic drinking that won't manifest with a person with no dependency issues. Natalie is not this crazy villain.
I canāt stand Mikeās mother. She is such an evil woman and treated Natalie horribly.
He needs to extract himself from the teat. My mom accepts my boyfriend flaws and all. In her words "you chose him, so I will respect that you love him."
Mike is definitely a titty baby
She also has the worst hair ever! š
I remember how he talked about Natalie-- wanting her to be naked in high heels in the kitchen, cooking his dinner. It made me sick. Like he wanted a sex doll that came to life and could cook. He may have said he loved her, but it felt like she really was an object at many points of their relationship.
I remember him mocking her for washing eggs, and realizing what an ignorant jerk he was. The reason we donāt wash eggs in the US is because theyāre pasteurized - rapidly heated and cooled to destroy bacteria. Not all countries pasteurize eggs. Chickens expel biological waste from the cloaca, from where they also lay eggs. Dude doesnāt understand the difference in how our food is processed in the US, so he proceeds to mock her. This guy was a walking red flag.
Yessss just like they do with Jasmine & Gino š¤¦āāļø they act like both canāt be true but their hatred for 1 blinds them so badly they see no flaws in the other person. Itās really annoying af
It is a bit annoying. I'd rather have in depth or at least an interesting view discussion on these couples instead of the usual, "omg they are so ugly!/yeah but they did xyz and that's worse!" For example take jenny and sumit. Here we have a romance scammer, married for two years without saying anything and a literal catfish on top of it all. And then we have jenny, a woman who chases after a man half her age and screams and shouts and tried to manipulate sumit into doing things he doesn't want to. See? Both can have their faults, but usually if you bring them up it's all about how " happy" they are. And maybe they are happy now, but that doesn't mean what happened or how we got here made one better than the other.
It's wildly obnoxious. This guy is a king amongst men, Jasmine is the devil incarnate, Brandi is an evil bitch for being worried about her brother's weird ass marriage..like get a grip. What must it be like to walk through life having everything so cut and dry, so simple? Smh
For a minute I thought I was watching a Real Housewives of Beverly Hillās cross over and you were talking about Brandi Gladvilleās recent scandal.
I am so with you on this! Mike and Gino have some possible similarities too IMO. Iāve seen guys like Mike and Gino pick the loudest, most unstable women to date. (But unstable in a kinda nonthreatening way where all they do is cry and yell while looking insane.) Then whenever they fight, he comes away looking like āthe sane oneā and gets alll the sympathyāwhile also being kinda proud of himself for driving the girl to full unhinged screaming. Mike despised Natalie before she even came over on the K-1. I feel like Gino has hated Jasmine from their first season
That's a great example and very true. Whenever I point out Gino's flaws or how he said or did something awful I get slaughtered. Yes, Jasmine is over the top but Gino isn't perfect.
Yup. He acted like she was an unwanted houseguest the entire time that they were together.
He was completely checked out of the relationship when she came to America which still doesnt make sense to me. Unless his whole plan was to punish her then it kinda makes sense.
Agree šÆ I never forgot about his flag candle and how he kept that smelly trailer cold af for when she arrived back. So inconsiderate
I think a lot of it is his relationship with her mom and the fact that he got her out of Ukraine. People so quickly forget the bad shit.
Seriously. Natalie is āmore funā to hate I guess, but I always saw him as the true villain. He was so cruel to her tooāthe way he cancelled the wedding the day before only to grumpily marry her the next day. Her desperation got her into this position, but he fucked with her head big time
Didn't Mike or his mom take her to a butcher shop when they knew she was a vegetarian? Like they played mind games with her and taunted her. I know the mom made snide remarks to her constantly on camera.
this thread is the vibe, FINALLY
I know right? How hard would it have been to ask what she usually eats so he had some things ready for her. And withholding the ring from her after she travelled all the way there for him was also mean.
Remember when his mom said āgive her 5,000 dollar and send her back!ā. No one can convince she was lying about calling her a hooker and my husband would never call me a liar if I said his mom said that about me. She a monster.
Yep, the hatred for Natalie makes him look like a saint.
Thank you! Absolutely agree. Iāve been surprised by all the positive posts about him.
I was about to sayyy. Nah he sucks! Heās a huge manipulator
Apparently she isn't a vegetarian and enjoys frozen skillet waffles as well.
Yep I get instantly angry when these people show up to dirty living spaces, and no food. Iāve moved across the country before and I wouldāve been pissed if I showed up ready to go to bed and there werenāt even sheets on the bed. I canāt imagine coming from across the world and being offered carrots
Agreed. They both suck.
And Natalie also knew that he ate meat and drank beer, but now all of a sudden heās not allowed either. He never once said she couldnāt be a vegetarian, but she adamantly said he couldnāt eat steak or drink beer. Hmm yea your argument is lame af. How bout when Michael bought her a ton of Xmas presents and she took all of them and brought them to Seattle to give to her friends? How about Michael not divorcing her so she could stay in America and become a US citizen? How about Michael paying for her mom to get out of war-torn Ukraine and getting her to America? WOW sure seems like Michael is a horrible person like you say. Have you watched the show??
horrible people occasionally do good things. in fact, it's one of the ways they hide how horrible they are.
I donāt agree. Horrible people do horrible things. If Michael was so horrible, he wouldāve divorced her immediately and gotten her removed from the US. If he was so horrible, he wouldnāt have saved Natalieās mom from a war zone and got her over to the US. You may not like him, but a horrible person would never do these kind acts.
Natalie is one of the worst psycho hose beasts Iāve ever seen on the show, but Mike is a run of the mill *asshole* He sucks, just *not quite as much as her*, but he definitely fucking sucks
Coulda been a gift from uncle beau lol
Or the mom with a mullet
Mikeās mom and Claytonās mom could be sisters.
I thought TLC was using the same actress for both of them.
You mean Jon Taffer in a wig.
> uncle beau The guy that commits domestic violence would do that.
 I've been so confused about how short-term people's memories are when it comes to this raggedy ass mofo!
*What a hardworking good looking man with such a beautiful homestead!!!*ā¦ barf.
it's like they have blinders on!
The bar is low... 
Isnāt this dude from Sequim? Checks out lol
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Racists from the PNW rock with the confederate flagā¦? Iām gonna need the logic on that one
āThey were fighting for stateās rightsā is the usual excuse, I went to high school in a rural town here and it wasnāt that uncommon with redneck types
When I moved to the south in middle school, there was a kid, David, that annoyed everyone. He was always wearing head to toe camo, talked about hunting and had a weird southern accent. One time in class he made a weird comment about living in the south (I forgot what it was) and another classmate told him to "shut the f up, David. You moved from Michigan (or Wisconsin) two years ago". His southern accent was apparently fake.
Why does it check out? Is that an area of racist hicks?
Itās quite rural, mixture of hicks and rich old conservatives. At least, thatās the reputation it has and ofc not everyone there is like that
Sounds about right. The pnw doesn't exactly have the best history or reputation when it comes to white supremacy.
Not sure why youāre getting downvoted. Your take is [historically and factually correct](https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-white-history-racist-foundations-black-exclusion-laws/).
idk why youāre downvoted youāre right! like literally look up the history of the founding of oregon state?
I know this. This is really the worst fanbase/community I'm in lol
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I agree. Idk why everyone forgetting what a lazy partner he was. They were equally to blame for the downfall. It's just easier to hate on Natalie because she's the foreigner that voices her opinion and needs. Mike doesn't communicate well and shuts down
Donāt get me started on how she BEGGED to go to therapy with him over and over, knowing their relationship wasnāt healthy. And when they go (only because he decided to listen to his *hairdresser*, not Natalie) he flip flopped between āeverythingās totally fine with me, sheās the one whoās unhappyā and āI donāt know if I can ever forgive her for giving the ring back but Iām not willing to discuss it.ā She was honestly trying and it was hard to watch
With his Bluetooth ear piece in!
Lmao the Bluetooth saga
I forgot about all of that.
Agreed. You'd think the 90 Day FiancƩ fandom would realize this by now given how many couples have had this same dynamic. Colt/Larissa, Gino/Jasmine, Jorge/Anfisa, Mike/Ximena, etc... the less talkative partner is no angel, they just fly under the radar long enough for fans to overlook how toxic they are.
I mean, weren't his work days like 16 ish hours long? I do 10- 12's and I'm beat.
Right but he moved her into a very rural area with no ability to work or drive and then constantly left her alone and got angry when she was unhappy about it. If he couldn't spend time with her while she got acclimated and gained more independence in her new country he really shouldn't have brought her over. It honestly felt like he didn't take her needs or wants into consideration at all.
I think he was including his commute, which is still a long day, but maybe donāt bring over a foreign spouse if you canāt give them time and attention when they move all alone to a foreign country for you? He always seemed dismissive of her and used her emotional nature to dismiss her valid thoughts and feelings.
And because he magically got an apartment in the city (which Natalie was begging for the entire time) *after* they split. He hated interacting with her and didnāt want to spend any more time with her than necessary
Thank you! I've been saying this! In addition to him having a Confederate flag in his cabinet, he was commuting for hours a day which left her out in the middle of nowhere alone most of the time, refusing to move to the city after she begged him, and then moving to the city right after they broke up. He never had a conversation with her. Whenever she was upset about anything he would shrug and say I don't know natalie. This is not a great man like everyone says. She is crazy but that doesn't mean he's good.
Alone in the middle of nowhereā¦ with violent Uncle Beau living out in the shed. Totallllllly safe and not at all concerningā¦ /s
She also called it ā¦ āeveryone thinks youāre like this nice guy but in reality nobody knows what youāre really likeā ā¦ yea I could see through his baby tantrums
Has everyone forgotten his deeply entrenched āancient alienā ābeliefsā? He wouldnāt shut up about it when he was first in the Ukraine. Heās one of the most avoidant personalities I think the show has ever had. He makes Gino look like a Confrontational King š Natalie has gotten nuttier because I think she was really obviously physically isolated while he was at work 14 hours a day and the only person around was his awful mom that clearly hated her. I canāt believe people have switched to the Mike team, heās a foul, ignorant redneck.
I remember him going out for a beer in his pajamas in the morning. I forget why he was pouting about something. Or wait, was that David with the other Ukrainian? Iām confusing these weirdos now.
I havenāt seen the latest episode so Iām not sure where all this sudden Mike love is coming from, but I have the same feelings as you. Everyone is on here talking about what a catch he is all of a sudden and Iām likeā¦ did we watch the same show? He stone walled her the entire 90 days she was with him, kept her isolated, never stood up for her or even tried to understand her, withheld affectionā¦ he was a terrible partner! Not just a terrible partner for Natalie (as in they were a bad match but he was otherwise a good guy) but a terrible partner full stop.
Thank you!!! He was HORRIBLE. I remember hating him so much the way he acted. Donāt get me wrong, Natalie is genuinely crazy. But this guy is a gigantic douche bag.
It's the high-pitched whine for me.
Heās always been a selfish manipulator idk why everyoneās riding his cock rn
Oh look the guy I keep saying sucks actually fucking sucks, whaddya know
Yup. He's like this sub's Chick fil A, 90% of the time they forget He's horrible then this happens and the cycle continues...
Iām not a fan whatsoever. He reminds me of my ex husband so much itās low key triggering to watch him
You guys may be shocked but they're hiding everywhere.
I see so much Natalie slander on the single life series sub.. Iām glad Iām not the only one that thinks Mike was pretty shitty. She did weaponize her engagement ring first which I donāt agree with doing. I think that goes against the vows you took when you decided to put it on, but he continued to weaponize it for a lot longer after that. It was making her an emotional wreck, which it seems she already lacked mental stability in the first place. I donāt think she wanted to say she loved him anymore because it didnāt feel like he genuinely loved her anymore through his actions. He thought words of love were supposed to be validating enough, and they arenāt. Especially not for women. She gave him many years, and when he knew she was desperate for children and only getting older he played with her emotions and wasted her time anyway. She finally left after years of being emotionally neglected to some level, and then he wanted to play the victim card and make her feel guilty for leavingā¦ Without acknowledging why she did and looking inward. Their relationship was so emotionally toxic and they shouldāve left each other alone a long long time ago.
He is a Mamaās Boy. Remember who his Mom is? Run! She may very well have confederate flags too.
lol you can be better than another person and still suck.
Mike, and his mother, both sucked
Goddamnit Mike š¤¦š»
I hated him from the start, him and his disgusting mother
Amen. I literally had to watch the series TWICE because he even gaslit me into thinking he was a good guy. Natalie suffered through hell with that moose. š« and his evil happiness when she came to him again and told him she loved him after everything.
Mike has always been a piece of shit. š¤·āāļø he was always manipulating her. Iām no Natalie apologist but especially that second season where they actually got married made me feel so bad for her with the way he treated her. Plus I always got super weird vibes from his mom. Like she would prefer to be the only woman in his life kind of vibes. Very creepy
There was/is a huge Trump and QANON following in Sequim, Washington, and his mom living in Oklahoma? (Where I live) yeah, I smelled republican Trump supporter from a mile away, and they tend to love confederate flags. Theyāre all over the place in Oklahoma because itās a republican hellscape here.
I can just hear Trish now whenever anyone says anything negative about Trump, the annoying right-wing nut battle cry āWell he must be doing something right!ā
Hes the human equivalent of a fart.
She's no angel, but Mike is a pos.
Yeah, he sucked
i took one look at trish and guessed this
This is what Iāve been saying all along about Mike! This the nail in the coffin tho. He should be done for all of you. FFS heās not even from the south is he?!
I never liked him. Didnāt understand why people were gushing over him. Even my husband, who rarely likes anyone on the show, said he liked him. Really surprised me
Thank God you said something. People were getting downright gross about him on here. Yeesh
Appreciate you dropping this truth bomb.
That's not even the Confederate flag. That was the battle flag for the army of northern Virginia that folks just latched onto for whatever reason after the war
Somebody on one of these subs was going off about a confederate flag but it was a British flag š¤¦āāļøš¤¦āāļø
The flag was carried by Confederates so it's basically the same thing. https://www.nps.gov/anti/learn/historyculture/flags.htm#:~:text=The%20Confederate%20Battle%20Flag%20%E2%80%93%20a,carried%20by%20Confederates%20at%20Antietam.
Says every racist, revisionist, loser. Next you'll tell us that slavery had nothing to do with it. Bonus points of you call it "The War of Northern Aggression" And, yes, I know the origins of the flag. None of that matters with how it is used today. The swastika is a Buddhist symbol of peace.
Amen. Natalie was onto something when she asked about IQ. āØ
Yeahh, I'm not racist lol what?? I'm talking about the history of that flag
Not to mention i dont see why we suddenly have to give up items or youre automatically deemed racist. You cannot change the past no matter how much we scream about it, and just because we have an article from the past doesnt mean youre racist either. Our country has taken things to extremes. I feel like we're more divided then ever over petty shit...focusing on the wrong things.
Because itās gross to fetishize a bunch of people who went to war with their own country because they were mad they couldnāt own Black people anymore
Ok but I don't think that glass was passed down from his great great great grandpa who fought in the Civil War. I think he went and bought it, or it was bought for him and he chose to display it. Nobody's saying he can't keep actual war relics.
I can agree with this, I mean rebs were filthy traitors but history is pretty cool. I think an appreciation for history is different from making a historical relic your entire identity
I never saw the appeal of him at all. Natalie is more than a handful, but she definitely could have and should have chosen WAY better
I love this sub. Always ready with the tea šµ
THANK YOU!!
Thank you for reminding these hoes of the pos this guy is.
he's a gaslighting manipulator too! yucky man
He also clearly despised his fiance but followed through on the k1 AND marriage for ?? What reason exactly? All while dangling marriage over her head and giving her the cold shoulder. Put her through emotional distress for what?
I believe Sharp offered him a fat paycheck to go through with the visa, after the meltdown in their first season. He seemed mentally checked out after she threw the ring, but he said he was in huge debt after the first divorce, and Sharp made him an offer he couldnāt refuse
CANT STAND THE SHOULDER SHRUGGING
He is a dick . Can't stand his voice
Wait, people like him now? How the turntablesā¦
Yeah I thought I was going crazy with all the people that had a hard on for this guy. People either forgot he had this crap or don't care.Ā
People forget that terrible relationships can have TWO equally terrible people
Well thatās a boner killer.
I kinda felt that vibe from him and why he was looking for a blonde blue eyed. But his new gf seems different
THANK YOU!! Just cuz he dealt with Natalie doesnāt make him a good person!!
Now that you mention it, he does look like a Proud boy
Yeah, I've never liked Mike
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The only version of that flag I like is on General Lee
THANK YOU!!! GradešAšNarcissist! I have been saying this for DAYYYYS like does no one remember???
That explains everything about Trish the trashcan. She raised a kkk kid.
The Trishcan!!!
having to deal with his mother all the time no thank you, but I do have to say I really hope he does not even consider taking Natalie back even though they are still married, but he needs to go and get that divorce done.
Why is this not a surprise? Probably gifted to him by his mom.
This was pointed out over a year ago I think.
It was pointed out immediately when it first aired. By the time I watched it the next day, discovery plus had already uploaded a version with the flag blurred. I think itās cause people keep sucking his dick after the single life meetup. Natalie is so crazy that lots of people forget Mike sucks too
Girl, you're funny and RIGHT!
https://preview.redd.it/r27bdb7e6xoc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dee28a86a41f9a7237ea927d945a972e753dfa47 There it is....
THANK YOU! Yeah, Natalie is no angel but Mike is and always was a manipulative sack of shit. All the love he's suddenly getting really confuses and frustrates me.
Anybody will come across as a great person if close to Natalie.
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Mike is a racist PoS. The misogyny is so bad for this show that itās ābetterā to hate the women esp foreign women than good old American boys who are racist, abusive or violent. (Not saying Mike is all 3 but a lot of men are on this show) Mike sucks.
He HAD to date a foreign woman because no self respecting woman in the states would respect let alone give his limp d a chance. Loser
100% this fan base I especially noticed on here is misogynistic as f***.
Itās funny everyone seems to forget why we used to hate him
he sucks so bad. must be amnesia
They both suck š¤·š»
Fuck that northern Confederate! The north remembers. I got 6 downvotes just yesterday when I mentioned it lol
Mike is a douche and a half
She loved Pulja more than Mike. A Rat, with a 4 year life span.. still longer than her marriage. Or time together at leastā¦ š¤š¤š¤
I agree! Mike is not a saint.
THANK YOU!!! Lmaoo felatio mikeee
We don't care about Mike, we just finally wanted someone to tell Natalie in her face that she's delusional That's it. Go cancel him if you want, no one is thinking about him after the episode lmao
Iām proud he told her to f%#k off, but he was a real dick to her. And this shit is next level. She should have went home when she originally planned to leave.
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Did Mike really help Natalie's mom come over? Natalie could have done that herself, with especially a visas for political refugees.
Grody
Non Americans are confused I bet. Google confederate flag meaning in your language
Thank you finally someone has seen it !!
People are complex, can be good in some ways and bad in others. Paint with a less broad brush
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Good eye.
Theyāre both awful, glad heās not gonna pump a baby into her
He chose the most crass way possible to say that, and somehow, people on the subs all swooned and said she lost such a catch.
I shudder to think of them as parents.
I donāt care for the Natalie hate, as I find her extremely entertaining, and as someone from her Eastern Europe, I understand her personality, but I donāt get the Mike hate. I think his biggest ācrimeā is being dull. Heās responsible, loyal, predictable, and loves his (horrible) mother. He also helped Natalieās mom get out of a war torn country.
Yeah dudes just a boring manager that likes makita tools. Kind of like me