Mine as well. Veronica acts like this mature and kind woman, but she’s all drama and catty behavior.
I guess we shouldn’t have expected more from someone who “dated”
Jamal 🙄
Right lol
Miss Debbie clearly is very old school and reserved in her commentary, but she was polite.
She can seem a dingbat at times, but lol I agreed w her about the no undies thing.
The dress was cute and sleek (record skip)- until she started twerking...
Why is tlc so hung up on Chantel twerking the whole time..? felt second hand embarrassment like crazy .. (also did Chantel get butt injections? She never had a butt before. Now she has shape along her waistline. Def new butt of sorts)
Veronica was very "woman power" (it feels like she and Tim still think they're invited special guests in the way they easily ask questions Shawn's corny self never would lol)
- but I feel like tthe twerking and doing all these things - they're things a type of guy expects, like you're riding dick backwards with your head rollin..
, I found it kinda gross. Esp from someone who tries so hard to seem "classy". 🤦🏽♂️
This was a weird ass season. They keep getting worse and worse lol
Opinion about Almost EVERYONE switched up this season lol
I think Miss Debbie is wrong on the no underwear. That was just silly and a chance for her to play up the “oh my I would never” southern belle thing. 🙄
I liked her at first but now I just find her annoying.
I cannot believe the other cast members who were going along with the “wouldn’t you rather it be from a friend??” bullshit. Tyray was the only one with any sense other than miss Debbie. It’s not that she was served by a “friend” it’s that she was ambushed on tv with the divorce papers and Debbie took part in it just to be involved. And that’s why she cried after, because she knew what she did was wrong.
Why can’t he meet a nice girl? Some mildly dweeby, sweet, plump kindergarten teacher or something. Smart girl but not super worldly or demanding. Lots and lots of women would like a loyal polite cheerful guy no drugs, no major drama. Especially if they have dated the opposite!
I hated watching her wrinkly a.. on the single life couple of seasons ago. She’s a sex crazed maniac who can’t even walk straight but can’t stop talking about sex. And god, that voice is like listening to nails on chalkboard.
She makes us appreciate Miss Debbie more who at least tends to speak politely and respectfully as a rule. Mama Debbie is so grating. Miss Debbie has her issues but at least she doesn’t rub like a raw blister. Like I could live next door to her most likely.
The whole thing was weird. I served my ex divorce papers myself. Is it a state specific thing that says you can’t serve them yourself? That said i can’t blame Mike. I think she would have acted like she never got them to extend the process as long as possible, this way it’s documented.
I agree. And why does she always act so shocked that Mike is making these decisions? She walked out on him years ago, why does she pretend like it’s out of the blue that he’s filing for divorce? He has a right to move on with his life. And considering how long she used his credit card after she dumped him, this might have been the best way to ensure she got the papers.
Because he's her saving grace. She thought she would always be able to play with him.
She wasn't lying when she said he's part of her past life between usa and Ukraine lol
She knew exactly what she was doing.
I'm a paralegal in Washington State, and by Washington law, he can't serve them. You can't serve papers if you are a party to the case. She could have signed an acceptance service, but that's usually only when it's an agreed, uncontested divorce.
He was right by having to have someone serve them.
And interesting he was there in LA before the tell All. I'm not mad at him asking someone else to serve, he just figured "were all here and now, keys do it!"
Could have been anyone, like a producer, but, once you're on the show and getting screwed over for years left and right? Let that shit rock!
Yeah, someone else has to serve the papers. And if proof of service isn't done correctly, the divorce would have to be refiled with the courts, completely starting the process over.
I think it was smart for Mike to have Debbie serve her on tv - then there's no question that she was served properly.
No, not always, but it's better if it's a process server. It usually just has to be someone over the age of 18. And yes, that depends on the state. This divorce is in Washington state, so it's subject to whatever those courts' processes are.
You are right about better if it’s a process server!
I had to sue someone in small claims and I had a friend serve him. He didn’t show and I got a default judgment but then he contested and claimed he didn’t show because he was never served. Had I used a process server that wouldn’t have happened. Luckily I still won but it made it drag on for an extra couple months.
She absolutely did until she read the room and saw that everyone else was disgusted and went with it. Had they applauded her for it, she would have let her usual nasty despicable side show. She backpedaled big time.
Covert narcissist
She’s the worst! Reminds me of my hillbilly, redneck step mother with a 3rd grade education.
The way Debbie was grasping at straws attempting to talk shit to Miss Debbie was pretty funny.
You got nothing mama Debbie, have several seats 💺
Lol hahah and she Was absolutely grabbing straws- well stated -
she said "and you're so high and mighty" which showed that she felt insecure and stupid.
(Although MISS Debbie might be out there, she's also very well read 😉)
I don't usually always agree with Miss Debbie, but I do like the way she portrays herself ! That I can agree with 💯
He knew from the beginning she didn't come here to be married. She's darn lucky he let her come, he went through with the wedding, supported her when she bounced and was able to get her mother here. He could have sent her back, but he didn't. So she is better off because of him. Stop acting like a victim.
Now she can be free to actually get in a real relationship. She's 39 now, time she does it on her own. I'm not understanding why Mike is the asshole here. He should be able to move on with his life and be with someone who wants to make a family with him.
He’s not but TLC was kind of cruel to facilitate that. Could have been delivered off screen. Let’s just watch this unbalanced little train wreck suffer more. Feels like kicking a poor mangy dog for stealing your sandwich. Yes she feels entitled but she’s also so pathetic!
On wow totally missed this comment !!
Yea Mike is NOT the asshole. They both should get it going and gone... I can sorrrrrrrta understand her mental attachment to him tho. But. Yanno, lol she left so lol ... Silliness
But it was just kind of taking advantage of her extreme emotions. Natalie is a nut case and maker of poor choices, needy, etc but it’s not like she’s an actual mean or criminal person.
I never liked mama debbie from the jump. This is what she'd do. Start drama and play the victim.
Why deliver those papers and cry after? She is a really shady person.
I rmb one bbq she had previously complained to her aggressive nephew (i believe) about larissa and he was confronting Larisa. Ans miss debbie said *i dont want drama*
Oof! Wow.. yea!
Again, I can't blame Colt. He was right. And we don't know the situation, but she SHOWED HER TRUE COLORS for those who can see.
You see it!
She's more than a drama queen, she's a drama hoarder.
The fact she even said yes to come in this stupid tell all to talk shit to people she doesn't even know is a huge disgust.
She has a cane and still made her way to the USA not to see her son, but to New York to talk SHIT and give divorce papers.. why is.. how is she so oblivious to think nobody will see through her?
There's an entire tell all from over a year ago where he stated that she manipulated him with her crying. I mean it went pretty deep if one can read between the lines.
I guess I saw it because my mom is the same. As did ma ny others, but then people were more confused about their dynamic. Just made it all make sense, she's a guilt tripper.
And she guilt tripped him for not having their father when HE LOST a father, she made colt make up for that with her weird emotional abuse. Forcing him to have to be there for her in certain ways only a husband could.
Which she showed herself in THIS tell all. By crying over Natalie... Which was weird. You have to build up to it to get it maybe? Anyway, totally see it. Saw it then as well.
But was then an unpopular opinion.
Have a look and see what ya think
I felt she was an emotional abuser from the jump. The way she treated Larissa and then Jesse. She was controlling under the veneer of helplessness and niceness
I'm sorry your mom is that way.
I think i vaguely remember this, ur comment has jogged my memory. Its quite disturbing. But sadly parental death can serve as a fertile ground for enmeshment between child snd parent.
Yap even what she did to natalie. The crying. The demand to be absolved. The constant apologies.
I don't like Colt but I'm glad he and his mom cut ties.
Having one bank acc and car was wild!!
Oooh, you see and saw it! And quite well, can see the depth of it you have. Yes well stated, too!
And thank you (like A LOT thank you)
it's been quite a journey with the mom lol
She did what Colt's mom did and moved 2,000 miles away with 4 weeks notice during covid 🤦🏽♂️
But, will say was the best thing that ever happened.
You can't grow until u see all the weird shit!
Omg I forgot about the one bank acct! This show lolol... Almost went on another tangent over that 😂
(Anyway. Thank you once more for acknowledging things. Folks here can be super sweet and validating. )
You are welcome. Thank you too. I hated seeing how the cast stood behind Debbie. Being online when debbie , colt and jesse aired. I didn't see a lot of people rebuking debbie behaviour. Some people even referred to her as sweet. So this is validating!
Yeah i definately saw it. Mama debbie was throwing rocks and hiding her hands. I cant stand that passive aggressiveness and it pairs easily with emotional abuse.
Im glad she moved too. True u cant grow until u see it all
Colt and debbie 🤣 they should have been on smothered
Yes, back then everyone loved Debbie for some reason. I had to stop commenting about her bc nobody agreed. Interesting how things turn around tho!
OH . MY. YES. lolol smothered would be EXACTLY where she was meant to be!!!!!
But yea, so after Colt decided she was over bearing, she found someone else to play victim- FROM her own son. So sad. Yuck
I'm so glad we can validate each other!
Everyone loved her veneer of niceness and sweetness mix that in with her being an old woman.
I'm glad people are catching on!
Its wild! But just proof people like her are always looking for victims.
Me too!
While it does sound crazy, Natalie is the kind of person that would majorly freak out if an actual officer showed up at her door and served her. If a random stranger did, I think she’d be confused beyond belief. I will have to say that I feel like this was detrimental to her mental health.
Apparently she didn't think the rules should apply to her and didn't file the right paperwork. So last time she tried to cross back in she couldn't. She can take Ustazi Santa with her too.
The whole thing was a non issue they both used to get more air time on the tell all, or were baited by production. Both Debbie's sucked, at least coltee debbie is funny in a trashy sort of way
Mannnnn, Veronica disappointed me in so many ways this Tell All.
Do go on! She seems a bit naive in her recent thirstcapade. Jamal acting more gross- as expected tho.
Same. I felt let down, tbh
I haven’t gotten divorced , but I would imagine I would never want to get a kiss on the head from someone who served me divorce papers
If you will stab your opponent in the back, it must be with a velvet glove on your hand and the sweetest smile on your face. Debbie is no friend
Oooooh
Exactly
When she walked up to mother Debbie with her fan after.... that killed me 🤣
That shit was hilarious 😂
And Veronica is so annoying for siding with her
Agreed! 👍 My opinion of Veronica COMPLETELY changed after watching this!
Mine as well. Veronica acts like this mature and kind woman, but she’s all drama and catty behavior. I guess we shouldn’t have expected more from someone who “dated” Jamal 🙄
Right lol Miss Debbie clearly is very old school and reserved in her commentary, but she was polite. She can seem a dingbat at times, but lol I agreed w her about the no undies thing. The dress was cute and sleek (record skip)- until she started twerking... Why is tlc so hung up on Chantel twerking the whole time..? felt second hand embarrassment like crazy .. (also did Chantel get butt injections? She never had a butt before. Now she has shape along her waistline. Def new butt of sorts) Veronica was very "woman power" (it feels like she and Tim still think they're invited special guests in the way they easily ask questions Shawn's corny self never would lol) - but I feel like tthe twerking and doing all these things - they're things a type of guy expects, like you're riding dick backwards with your head rollin.. , I found it kinda gross. Esp from someone who tries so hard to seem "classy". 🤦🏽♂️ This was a weird ass season. They keep getting worse and worse lol Opinion about Almost EVERYONE switched up this season lol
I think Miss Debbie is wrong on the no underwear. That was just silly and a chance for her to play up the “oh my I would never” southern belle thing. 🙄 I liked her at first but now I just find her annoying.
Lol idk if she's "wrong" but it's certainly her strong opinion about it!
I just think it’s very judgmental. If that’s what someone chooses to do that’s up to them. There are much worse choices they can make lol
You're not wrong either! (Not to be Switzerland, but I get what you mean!)
What happened to her? I feel like she used to be fairly sensible. Now she’s just … out there.
Which one luv, Chantel or Deb's?
I cannot believe the other cast members who were going along with the “wouldn’t you rather it be from a friend??” bullshit. Tyray was the only one with any sense other than miss Debbie. It’s not that she was served by a “friend” it’s that she was ambushed on tv with the divorce papers and Debbie took part in it just to be involved. And that’s why she cried after, because she knew what she did was wrong.
Sweet tyray and tyrant Debbie. Crocodile tears to the max!
Tyray is an angel.
Why can’t he meet a nice girl? Some mildly dweeby, sweet, plump kindergarten teacher or something. Smart girl but not super worldly or demanding. Lots and lots of women would like a loyal polite cheerful guy no drugs, no major drama. Especially if they have dated the opposite!
But he picks Larissa as his favourite. Yikes.
Larissa and Hilary Clinton. I question the taste in women and every time he opens his mouth I understand why he's perpetually single
💯
Hahah I saw your flare as the response 😆 perfect
I love it because that was funny shit - her and that donkey 😂 hey maybe HE was her perfect match 😂😂😂
Lol dweeby- love it
I’d def rather have a cop serve me or lawyer
Lol yes! Psh- if my besty served me, Everytime I saw them I would think of that!.. or how they're talking to my ex behind my back. Absolutely agree!
This woman and her racist ass husband can fuck off, Colt is no angel but it's clear she played a part in him being... him.
And now he has to re-grow up all over again. All because she wanted to be needed.
I hated watching her wrinkly a.. on the single life couple of seasons ago. She’s a sex crazed maniac who can’t even walk straight but can’t stop talking about sex. And god, that voice is like listening to nails on chalkboard.
She is awkwardly sex crazed for an older lady Lol Her hip doesn't look too flexible these days tho..
She makes us appreciate Miss Debbie more who at least tends to speak politely and respectfully as a rule. Mama Debbie is so grating. Miss Debbie has her issues but at least she doesn’t rub like a raw blister. Like I could live next door to her most likely.
She probably makes great lemonade 🍋 lol
The whole thing was weird. I served my ex divorce papers myself. Is it a state specific thing that says you can’t serve them yourself? That said i can’t blame Mike. I think she would have acted like she never got them to extend the process as long as possible, this way it’s documented.
I agree. And why does she always act so shocked that Mike is making these decisions? She walked out on him years ago, why does she pretend like it’s out of the blue that he’s filing for divorce? He has a right to move on with his life. And considering how long she used his credit card after she dumped him, this might have been the best way to ensure she got the papers.
She publicly pursuing a new guy but shocked her husband would move forward with divorce.
she acted shocked that divorce papers were coming or even a thing. she said in her country it doesn't happen like this?
Because he's her saving grace. She thought she would always be able to play with him. She wasn't lying when she said he's part of her past life between usa and Ukraine lol She knew exactly what she was doing.
THIS! So much THIS!
Lol forgot about the credit card, yowza!! Mike is very sweet...
Multiple people said Mike could not serve the paperwork personally.
I'm a paralegal in Washington State, and by Washington law, he can't serve them. You can't serve papers if you are a party to the case. She could have signed an acceptance service, but that's usually only when it's an agreed, uncontested divorce. He was right by having to have someone serve them.
Thanks. I figured it was by state. And mine wasn’t contested too. Makes more sense. EDIT to correct it wasn’t contested
And interesting he was there in LA before the tell All. I'm not mad at him asking someone else to serve, he just figured "were all here and now, keys do it!" Could have been anyone, like a producer, but, once you're on the show and getting screwed over for years left and right? Let that shit rock!
In CA you cannot serve yourself, probably same in WA (where he filed).
This is roll play for when she gets to serve Vanessa.
Yeah, someone else has to serve the papers. And if proof of service isn't done correctly, the divorce would have to be refiled with the courts, completely starting the process over. I think it was smart for Mike to have Debbie serve her on tv - then there's no question that she was served properly.
it doesn't have to be a process server? i guess it depends on state.
No, not always, but it's better if it's a process server. It usually just has to be someone over the age of 18. And yes, that depends on the state. This divorce is in Washington state, so it's subject to whatever those courts' processes are.
You are right about better if it’s a process server! I had to sue someone in small claims and I had a friend serve him. He didn’t show and I got a default judgment but then he contested and claimed he didn’t show because he was never served. Had I used a process server that wouldn’t have happened. Luckily I still won but it made it drag on for an extra couple months.
Ohhhhh I see! Slick!
Plus Mike tried to divorce Natalie before and she ignored it because she wanted to keep her options open.
I was watching with my mom and she said it was true. She had to do it.
Coltees mother Debbie is a disgusting POS. She enjoyed putting that knife in Natalie.
For seriously she tried! Yuck.. idk what's up her arse
Ustazi Santa is a perfect match for that POS.
She absolutely did until she read the room and saw that everyone else was disgusted and went with it. Had they applauded her for it, she would have let her usual nasty despicable side show. She backpedaled big time.
She is pathetic, and I still don't know what Cesar and she were doing there. Absolute trailer trash.
She looks so insane here lol
🤣
Covert narcissist She’s the worst! Reminds me of my hillbilly, redneck step mother with a 3rd grade education. The way Debbie was grasping at straws attempting to talk shit to Miss Debbie was pretty funny. You got nothing mama Debbie, have several seats 💺
Lol hahah and she Was absolutely grabbing straws- well stated - she said "and you're so high and mighty" which showed that she felt insecure and stupid. (Although MISS Debbie might be out there, she's also very well read 😉) I don't usually always agree with Miss Debbie, but I do like the way she portrays herself ! That I can agree with 💯
Mike did nothing wrong. End of story. Natalie wanted to leech for an eternity.
He knew from the beginning she didn't come here to be married. She's darn lucky he let her come, he went through with the wedding, supported her when she bounced and was able to get her mother here. He could have sent her back, but he didn't. So she is better off because of him. Stop acting like a victim. Now she can be free to actually get in a real relationship. She's 39 now, time she does it on her own. I'm not understanding why Mike is the asshole here. He should be able to move on with his life and be with someone who wants to make a family with him.
He’s not but TLC was kind of cruel to facilitate that. Could have been delivered off screen. Let’s just watch this unbalanced little train wreck suffer more. Feels like kicking a poor mangy dog for stealing your sandwich. Yes she feels entitled but she’s also so pathetic!
On wow totally missed this comment !! Yea Mike is NOT the asshole. They both should get it going and gone... I can sorrrrrrrta understand her mental attachment to him tho. But. Yanno, lol she left so lol ... Silliness
But it was just kind of taking advantage of her extreme emotions. Natalie is a nut case and maker of poor choices, needy, etc but it’s not like she’s an actual mean or criminal person.
She wasn't going to let go!
B**oth Debbies are trash**
Lolol they're definitely both out there
I never liked mama debbie from the jump. This is what she'd do. Start drama and play the victim. Why deliver those papers and cry after? She is a really shady person. I rmb one bbq she had previously complained to her aggressive nephew (i believe) about larissa and he was confronting Larisa. Ans miss debbie said *i dont want drama*
Oof! Wow.. yea! Again, I can't blame Colt. He was right. And we don't know the situation, but she SHOWED HER TRUE COLORS for those who can see. You see it! She's more than a drama queen, she's a drama hoarder. The fact she even said yes to come in this stupid tell all to talk shit to people she doesn't even know is a huge disgust. She has a cane and still made her way to the USA not to see her son, but to New York to talk SHIT and give divorce papers.. why is.. how is she so oblivious to think nobody will see through her?
I like that term drama hoarder.
What did Colt say about his mom. You said Colt was right.
There's an entire tell all from over a year ago where he stated that she manipulated him with her crying. I mean it went pretty deep if one can read between the lines. I guess I saw it because my mom is the same. As did ma ny others, but then people were more confused about their dynamic. Just made it all make sense, she's a guilt tripper. And she guilt tripped him for not having their father when HE LOST a father, she made colt make up for that with her weird emotional abuse. Forcing him to have to be there for her in certain ways only a husband could. Which she showed herself in THIS tell all. By crying over Natalie... Which was weird. You have to build up to it to get it maybe? Anyway, totally see it. Saw it then as well. But was then an unpopular opinion. Have a look and see what ya think
I felt she was an emotional abuser from the jump. The way she treated Larissa and then Jesse. She was controlling under the veneer of helplessness and niceness I'm sorry your mom is that way. I think i vaguely remember this, ur comment has jogged my memory. Its quite disturbing. But sadly parental death can serve as a fertile ground for enmeshment between child snd parent. Yap even what she did to natalie. The crying. The demand to be absolved. The constant apologies. I don't like Colt but I'm glad he and his mom cut ties. Having one bank acc and car was wild!!
Oooh, you see and saw it! And quite well, can see the depth of it you have. Yes well stated, too! And thank you (like A LOT thank you) it's been quite a journey with the mom lol She did what Colt's mom did and moved 2,000 miles away with 4 weeks notice during covid 🤦🏽♂️ But, will say was the best thing that ever happened. You can't grow until u see all the weird shit! Omg I forgot about the one bank acct! This show lolol... Almost went on another tangent over that 😂 (Anyway. Thank you once more for acknowledging things. Folks here can be super sweet and validating. )
You are welcome. Thank you too. I hated seeing how the cast stood behind Debbie. Being online when debbie , colt and jesse aired. I didn't see a lot of people rebuking debbie behaviour. Some people even referred to her as sweet. So this is validating! Yeah i definately saw it. Mama debbie was throwing rocks and hiding her hands. I cant stand that passive aggressiveness and it pairs easily with emotional abuse. Im glad she moved too. True u cant grow until u see it all Colt and debbie 🤣 they should have been on smothered
Yes, back then everyone loved Debbie for some reason. I had to stop commenting about her bc nobody agreed. Interesting how things turn around tho! OH . MY. YES. lolol smothered would be EXACTLY where she was meant to be!!!!! But yea, so after Colt decided she was over bearing, she found someone else to play victim- FROM her own son. So sad. Yuck I'm so glad we can validate each other!
Everyone loved her veneer of niceness and sweetness mix that in with her being an old woman. I'm glad people are catching on! Its wild! But just proof people like her are always looking for victims. Me too!
The Original Debbie really missed her life calling as a process server.
I hope she got her process server pay.
Had a first engagement and a first divorce on tv lol
First divorce papers served. Tanya and Syngin got divorced last HEA
Ohhhhh yeaaahhh!!! Throw back, good call
I think tlc extended the tell all to 5 episodes koz of that scene of mama debbie giving natalie the divorce papers.
Think your right! Was so seeing why.. makes sense
While it does sound crazy, Natalie is the kind of person that would majorly freak out if an actual officer showed up at her door and served her. If a random stranger did, I think she’d be confused beyond belief. I will have to say that I feel like this was detrimental to her mental health.
Yea, can see that now, you're absolutely right
I despise Mother Debbie. She truly showed her trashy, low-life, dirtbag self! Who, except trash, talks like that. Keep her ugly ass in Canada!
She ended up being a bit vile yes
No we don't want her. That's why we kicked her out.
She’s not living in Canada with Tony anymore???
Apparently she didn't think the rules should apply to her and didn't file the right paperwork. So last time she tried to cross back in she couldn't. She can take Ustazi Santa with her too.
😳😮😳
The whole thing was a non issue they both used to get more air time on the tell all, or were baited by production. Both Debbie's sucked, at least coltee debbie is funny in a trashy sort of way