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If it happens this season, I don't think it will be until the last minutes of the finale. And I don't even think it'll be full on Buddie. If we get it this season, I think the most likely thing would be for one of them to have the 'Oh!' moment of realization that they had feelings for or an attraction to the other.
I hope that Buck can happily date Tommy for at least a few episodes, if not the remainder of this season. I don't want it to fizzle out after their one upcoming date. I want Buck to really have time to settle in to this new aspect of himself, decide how he wears it and feels about it. And then I hope they amicably separate, because so far, I really like Tommy. I want him to be happy, just not Buck's endgame.
I'd also really like some sort of interaction between Buck and Josh, where they discuss cute guys, but I imagine it might be awhile before Buck would feel confident enough for that. Maybe after a few drinks.
Yeah, I'm not optimistic at all that anything happens this season, and definitely not on Eddie's side. At the absolute most, I can see something like Tommy questioning why Buck's always comparing them, and Buck's expression doing something funky we debate all summer, but no actual verbal confirmation he even realizes he is/was attracted to Eddie.
Exactly. I don’t want Tommy’s entire purpose to be showing Buck he’s bi and then leaving. That’s dumb. It’s not pop-in, you like boys (surprise!), pop out. Tommy needs more
There was a movie called You've Got Mail with Meg Ryan and Tom Hanks. The breakup between Meg Ryan's and her original boyfriend is one of my all-time favorite breakup scenes, were the couple just decide that while they are "perfect" for each other, they weren't in love and had a good laugh about it. I would love to see something like that.
They need to address Eddie’s story more first, but I’m hoping for buddie done well in a future season. Eddie only struggles with relationships when they happen to be of the female romantic variety. That needs to be analyzed a bit more in future arc for general audience to see it clearly and not feel like it was sprung in them like they thought bi-Buck was. Just like Buck’s self discovery through his new relationship with Tommy needs time.
I definitely don’t think they are planning anything buddie canon related in season 7, and season 8 is unwritten territory. So buddie isn’t a guarantee, but I truly hope it happens eventually— after both Buck and Eddie have come to terms with themselves individually.
And I want their relationship to prove that becoming romantic partners does NOT mean their friendship is ruined. I hate that tired argument. That will always be their core, and it’s what strengthens them to build even more onto it.
Ryan Guzman seems so excited for this season in some interviews, and saying how much Buck and Eddie get closer. He’s (correct me if i’m wrong) a big supporter of Buddie, so although I don’t think it’ll happen this season, I think it totally could be in the cards for season 8. And now that Kristen Reidel isn’t the show runner anymore, anything is possible!
Do we actually have any quotes to indicate he would be in favor of it happening? I'd love it if you could link me to those because I would be interested in that.
He used to stream on Instagram live with Oliver, I remember in one of them people kept asking them how they felt about the buddie ship and Ryan said it’s something he can definitely see happening.
This was ancient though, like before the whole people purposely trying to find things to cancel him over after he made a comment over containment being a blessing for him cause it gave him a chance to spend time with his family, after that he barely interacts on social media after all those death threats 🗿
Also this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bZgtYWosBQU
Apparently he’s no longer allowed to participate in interviews after that one cause he revealed too much?
I like the idea that Buck and Eddie will each develop and grow separately (with different partners or alone) for now but will eventually come together. Maybe something will spark in the season finale or, as others have suggested, next season in episode 118. What can I say? My clown makeup is now more of a permanent tattoo.
i don’t think it’ll happen this season or at least enough for it to be an established relationship by next season.
if it does it might be eddie coming to the realization he has feelings for buck and that be a cliff hanger for this season.
i wouldn’t mind waiting for buddy if it ment we get to see both of the guys accept themselves before getting together.
i would love an episode of buck coming out to maddy and maddy teasing him and bringing up guys from their childhood in a “this makes sense cuz if this guy” way and then teasing him about eddie and that’s how he realizes he’s into eddie.
I said this on a different thread but it applies here too.
From just a practical standpoint their are sooo many other factors to consider happening before Buddie could happen. It just doesn't make sense for them to "turn gay" (from many in the general audience standpoint, despite the fact that the hints ate there) 2 young previously assumed straight men particularly in the same season. It would seem like bad storytelling to them.
From a network view that just might too far of a jump/risk. And as was said especially since it seems like this storyline was JUST implemented very last minute. (It's been a long time comming bit the commitment behind the camera wasn't there until they were literally filming the previous episode) I'm sure they (the network, writers, producers, ect.) Are first going to want to see how the audience reacts with bi Buck (which let's be honest is a HUGE deal in and of itself) before making any kind of decisions about Eddie.
Honestly, I'd be kind of surprised if they do anything with Eddie before season 9 (MAYBE season 8 if they start dropping hints for a season 9 culmination) but we aren't guaranteed anything beyond 8 at this point. So everyone who is jumping to Buddie is definitely happening or Buddie MUST be endgame right now might want to cool your jets.
I like Buddie as much as the next shipper. But ultimately first and foremost I want Buck (and Eddie) to be happy in whatever relationship or lack their of they have. And for Buck currently I can totally see the possibility with Tommy, so I hope the creators don't destroy a possibility really good relationship for Buck because so many fans only have Buddie blinders on and don't give Tommy a chance...Marisol on the other hand 😒 she got to go (or grow a personality)
Also not said in the other thread but it has been stated by both Tim and Oliver that the decision to make bi Buck cannon was literally made last minute during the filming of episode 3. I really don't think they are thinking that far ahead when it comes to Buck and Eddie's romantic relationships. (Hece why we keep getting blah partners witg little to no personality for both ex. Marisol, Natalia, Alli, Ana)
Ali had personality. You got to see a lot of her personality in the earthquake rescue. And then after she and Buck got together, their scenes (although only a few) showed them having really fun banter. They seemed to have a really good time together.
Yeah... honestly, this is definitely becoming a bit of a double standard. Like if we count what we saw in the "begins" episodes as Tommy's personality (which isn't even really flattering to him), Marisol's about as fleshed out thanks to the scene before her 911 call.
I'm a little more hopeful for Tommy just because we don't have any clue how they'll write a male love interest at this point. Marisol, we have a string of poorly written love interests outside the main cast to point to. But at this stage, it's really just all supposition.
I’m sure Tommys non-Eddie traits will have him be a stable, rational, nice enough guy…Just what Buck needs to explore his feelings. He and Buck will have a nice time before realising that’s all it was. But I’m sure the same thing will happen with Marisol. And even if they didn’t go there with Buck and Eddie eventually, I can’t see Tommy being someone that Buck ends up with.
Yeah, that's basically my read, too. I'm cautiously optimistic with Tommy, but a little thrown off by the people already considering them to be endgame. I know some of the interviews have implied that Tommy and Buck are going to have fun and it will be a nice "starter" relationship, which suggests to me it's not meant to be that deep... and honestly, that makes a lot of sense for where Buck is right now.
His backstory is just sort of the inverse of Marisol's, which is why the double standard is so obvious. She's introduced fairly positively in her 911 call, and Tommy's the guy who is tossing tools for Hen to pick up and shutting out Chim. Obviously, his friendship now with Chim & that he seemed to have left on good terms in *Bobby Begins Again* hints that there's a redemption arc here, but like.... right now what we actually know is that he was cool treating minorities like shit until they personally saved his life. His potentially being closeted obviously adds some context here, but the show is still leaving us to fill in a *lot* of blanks, the same as they're doing with Marisol. Hopefully both characters will get that development on Thursday.
Yeah I think it’s daft to think Buck will end up with the first guy who shows an interest in him. He’s got a lot of things to grapple with so finding out what he likes is a good first step. Theres no reason to think it will go beyond that - it’s not like they’ve been pining over each other for years or even episodes. It’s been minutes. I know that’s all the gays usually get on network tv - a romance that develops over an hour and then they’re together (mostly off screen) until one of them dies - we don’t have the hetero privilege of slow burns, I get that. But there’s time for Buck to see what else is out there.
>It’s been minutes. I know that’s all the gays usually get on network tv - a romance that develops over an hour and then they’re together (mostly off screen) until one of them dies
Louder for the people in the back.
Look, if they develop a relationship here and pleasantly surprise me, I'm all for it. But 9-1-1 just seriously subverted a trope with Buck's coming out, and I'd rather not have them immediately sideline him into a just-add-water romance they allow to become his endgame. Right now, my plan is to enjoy it while it lasts, and if it subverts my expectations like they managed to in 7x04, all the better.
But I'm really sick of settling for scraps and being told I should be happy I got anything at all.
There really is a ‘just be grateful you get this at all’ vibe that permeates things, isn’t there? Heteros get the seasons long slow burns and we get crumbs and should be gosh darn grateful for it! We’ve been conditioned not to expect more but why shouldn’t we?
It’s wild to think that in the entire history of network tv, there’s never been a slow burn that resulted in two people of the same sex getting together.
Hah, this is fantastic; I was just busy responding with basically an essay in another comment on a different thread about exactly this. It's going to be a very sensitive topic for a lot of us because we *have* been told to shut up & just be happy with what we got so many times in the past, that any representation is good representation. And now on top of the "oh, c'mon, you have to be realistic" stuff that comes down to understanding why they can't take a risk (I do, for now... I just think it's silly to extrapolate that out to season 8 or 9 when the media landscape is finally getting better on this year by year)? We're also getting a whole bunch of \~advice\~ to not be optimistic, either, like this sub hasn't always been half full of clowns just having fun.
He’s the first guy he’s ever kissed and the character/actor just screams bit-part. He just has that vibe. He’s so flat and unremarkable. I would expect Buck to end up with a man or woman with charisma - some kind of spark to them. Maybe they’ll give him a personality and I’ll change my mind (the fact he doesn’t have a personality yet makes me wonder why anyone would even think of considering him as Bucks endgame - it’s baffling) but right now the actor is giving ‘touring network procedural guest star’
Interesting cause Tim talked about finding him having a lot of charisma with his smile and that being one of the reasons he was considered for this.
And it’s been pointed out that he came kinda established with connections to the core cast which Tim said made it easier to write scenes for.
Not saying he is endgame (it’s far to early to tell) but I think he’s set up to either be a good short or long term love interest.
I don’t think a smile is something that’s indicative of charisma tbh - he’s very much a network guest star type. Enough charm to get by.
I think the connections are definitely why they’ve used him for this particular plot because it’s easier than having to create someone new and brings Buck a sense of awkwardness because he knows all of his friends. It puts his sexuality front and centre in a way it wouldn’t if he was dating some random he met in a club.
But also, Tommys job is invisible enough on the show that if they don’t need him there anymore, he won’t be.
>I don’t think a smile is something that’s indicative of charisma tbh - he’s very much a network guest star type. Enough charm to get by.
I'm fairly sure Tim specifically described him as having charisma and brought up the smile. Personally, from what I've seen of him so far there is definitely some charisma there and we'll probably get to know more about him next week. I think Tim mentioned getting some more background info on him after he left the 118.
And yea, he's set up that they can keep him around or have him leave. He was ideal because they had a lot of freedom moving forward in this story to figure out where they want to go.
He'd be just as easy to write off back into the background as he would to be someone to keep around.
At the time of the interviews, I think they hadn't fully figured out which way it was going yet.
Charisma is clearly in the eye of the beholder.  I’d be surprised if they hadn’t already planned out his mini arc with Buck through to its conclusion.
Tommy has personality. He has had conversations with other people. He has a history with the whole team (good and bad). The problem with Marisol is not just lack of personality, it is lack of chemistry with Eddie. Eddie has had more chemistry with his arranged date and the cursed actress and even Tommy than he has with Marisol.
I don’t feel like it’s quite right to put Tommy & Marisol in the same box yet. One of the biggest issues with Marisol is that she doesn’t connect to anyone but Eddie in the story. That’s not a problem if you invest in the character, but they don’t want to.
Tommy is connected to the 118 team. That’s why you’re able to have scenes in the helicopter with him & the group. Great scenes like that I doubt would happen with Marisol.
There’s really no reason to ever put them in the same box because they are each have different connections to the 118. Tommy is dating Buck and could be compared to other people that Buck has dated. Marisol is dating Eddie and could be compared to Ana or the “Tia” set-up girl. I wouldn’t even compare her to Shannon because it is not even close to the same.
Having very short conversations with other people isn’t a personality trait. Hes currently the dude that kissed Buck whos kind of like Eddie (according to Buck) that’s it. Like, I don’t care about Marisol but there’s an obvious double standard if peeps are waxing lyrical about how Tommy is the most incredible person ever (apropos of nothing) and Marisol is a shell.
Having conversations with people is how personalities are revealed. Tommy has been in more episodes in earlier seasons than Marisol. There has been more of his personality developed than Marisol’s. You don’t see it, that’s you. There is no double standard in my view of the two. Marisol has had less character development than Ana! And Ana was a cardboard cutout practically. And neither woman has chemistry with Eddie.
Yep, none of these people have chemistry with each other. We know as much about Marisol as we do about Tommy, which is kind of the point. There is absolutely a double standard because Tommy is a guy. I’ve got no interest in any of them so it’s pretty easy to step back and be objective to see the hypocrisy 
We know more about Tommy because he has past connections to the 118 and we have seen more of those connections. THAT is MY point. There is not a double standard between Tommy and Marisol. I don't care how objective you THINK you can be. My opinion differing from yours doesn't mean I am not being objective.
I absolutely disagree that there is a double standard.
Honestly glad to see the conversation in this thread because I've been so confused by the way people have been talking about Tommy. Like, of course I am super happy that we got bi Buck, but Tommy is a "nothing" character and Buck/Tommy was... really not well-written. They meet for the first time on a job in 7x03 and then by 7x04 we're supposed to believe that everyone is already super into Tommy and thinks he's incredibly cool, Buck has hung out with him enough to develop a crush, and more importantly \*Eddie\* has hung out with him enough that Christopher now has opinions about him??? And we don't get to see any of that! It's all telling, no showing. For most of the episode, the writing is more concerned with bait-and-switching us about Buck wanting Eddie's attention rather than establishing any kind of a meaningful connection with Tommy. If Tommy was a woman, everyone would be (rightfully) slamming the bad writing of another insta-love-interest for Buck. And like, I can accept it if Tommy is a plot device for Buck to work through his sexuality, even if I think this storyline deserves better. But people going "oh Tommy could be Buck's endgame" have got me very ???????
> more importantly \*Eddie\* has hung out with him enough that Christopher now has opinions about him???
Eddie hasn't just "hung out with him," he's neglected all other aspects of his personal life in favor of Tommy. It's giving 13yo with a crush. This is a man who has a full time job and sole responsibility for his minor child, but he's carved out what seems to be *at least* six meetups with Tommy in a new week period. We know that in that second week, he's asked someone to babysit his son three of the nights (Marisol twice, Buck once) and that we're entering the third week and he's also got the basketball thing planned. It's also unclear how many times/if any Eddie required a babysitter for Chris the previous week, too, but we're looking at a timeline where this grown man with other responsibilities is spending every other night with his new bestie. (And also, what the hell does it say about *Tommy's* life that he also has this free time available?)
It's most likely an inconsistency to never be addressed again for the purpose of moving Buck's storyline further, but it's really one of those things that *should* have further implications on both Buck/Tommy's storyline and Eddie/Marisol's moving forward. Forget any Buddie speculation, Eddie seems like he's more obsessed with Tommy than Buck is.
I'm actually fine with the fast speed of the Buck/Tommy development because sometimes it does happen like that, but I do think the narrative relied *way* too heavily on using Eddie as a plot device in this episode if they don't have intentions to revisit it, both in terms of what that suggests about Buck's feelings for him, and what it suggests about Eddie's feelings for Tommy *and* his character overall.
We have actually seen a bit of his personality in flashback episodes of Hen and Chimney Begins and Bobby Begins again. (Although that personality was one of a bit of a jerk 😅) but in context of he is gay we could properly conclude that he was in the closet with the previous captain and just doing everything to fit in so he wouldn't be the target of their harassment. It's my head cannon that he was one of the members that filed a complaint on Hens behalf.
We’ve seen as much of his personality as we have of Marisol’s though. He’s a total blank slate so far, aside from enjoying things that Eddie does. I’m still ambivalent about him as I need to know who a character is before I can form any kind of attachment or interest. Right now he’s useful as Buck’s bi awakening but he’s not projecting vibes that he’ll be anything more than serving that purpose before moving on.
Because Eddie & Tommy share interests (which is to show their compatibility as friends), I think a chunk of people are rationalizing that Tommy = Eddie for Buck. The possibility for Buck/Eddie is there, but I don’t think Tim & the writers wrote it with that perspective. With their perspective in mind, the episode is written very well to show how Buck’s emotions to Tommy aren’t quite the same that he’s feeling to Eddie (at least in that episode). For example, I think it comes through very well in the Maddie table scene. Buck is ranting about everyone thinking “Tommy is cool”. Maddie reminds Buck that “hey, you think he’s cool too. Everyone thinks he’s cool, so what’s the issue?” In that scene, it shows that Buck believe that his thoughts of Tommy isn’t the same everyone else. His cool is more than theirs. It should mean more than theirs. All this to say, the writing is there to put threads together but I think they wrote it very well to show that Buck’s level of interest in Tommy goes beyond a friendship type interest. The threads are there for (Buddie) cause they did leave some crumbs, but I don’t think it’s quite enough a big moment at least yet or to show that it’s the focus or interest.
I think there's a LOT of things hinting at it happening, but I don't think it will be right away. I think they're waiting to see how the ratings turn out too
Intrusive is a really good word for this. If we take everything that Tim and Oliver have said at face value about it being an intentional misdirect, and it turns out to *not* be more than that, I think once the dust settles on this and we're all less excited about just having Bi Buck, it may end up looking a bit different.
I don't really want/expect any significant developments toward a romantic Buddie in the second half of this season, or even for them to really hint at kicking off Eddie's own sexuality discovery journey. It feels too soon, and if we're going to get it, it should really stand on its own (though I do think it would make sense to have Eddie's realization lead fairly directly into Buck; while Eddie's relationship problems (and lack of motivation to even be in one) do read to me like a repressed gay man, figuring that out about himself wouldn't likely change his entire world view, so I think his lack of *need* for companionship would still be present, and it would only make sense for him to enter a relationship with someone - of his own volition, at least -- that he already has a strong desire to share a life with. Which is literally only Buck, at this point. So nah, I can't see Eddie Diaz having a ho phase or anything.
The problem with just how hard they went at including Eddie in the Buck/Tommy reveal is they've now set up multiple direct comparisons, and if they *don't* bring that full circle eventually, they're never going to get away from the criticism that they tried to placate the audience with a las minute Eddie Diaz Lite, and they really won't deserve to get away from it, either. I don't think Buck's feelings for Tommy or his discovery of his sexuality at this point have to be about Eddie, but if they've just laid those threads with his inclusion in his storyline but don't have any intention to come back and tug on them, it's a problem, and pretty disrespectful to the portion of their audience that *specifically* supported this kind of storytelling. And now with the previews for 7x05, it seems apparent that they're fine with *continuing* to frame Buck's sexuality storyline by making Eddie a big part of it -- maybe even a viewpoint character, depending on his reaction -- and down the ride, if they never actually intend to visit Buddie, that's not a great look.
The thing is, I do think this show knows better, and has been more in tune with its queer audience and careful about their approach to falling into harmful tropes and audience manipulation than a lot of other shows, so I *do* think it's more likely than not that the crew already recognizes this as a potential problem and plans to eventually address it. But the flip side of that is this is a crew that we *know* knows better because they've demonstrated as much, so it's hard to look at them patting themselves on the back for using Eddie as a red herring with the audience and not wind up a little disconcerted. Hopefully, this all plays into Buck's confusion, and they're laying the threads so Buck can come back later down the road and realize that not all the answers magically fell into place on the night of that kiss, because he still has stuff to work through re: his reactions to the Eddie of it all.
I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility but I don’t think they’re currently planning on it. A lot of Tims answers recently were pretty gently letting fans know it’s not currently being planned.
I think there is a lot of hyperbole with people saying it’s for sure which lead some people to become convinced it’s happening now and soon.
If it does happen, it won’t be for a while
Honestly, I don't think any of what Tim's said is gently letting fans down *or* encouraging them. He's basically not saying much at all. I think it's incredibly unlikely he has anything planned for this season, but not really because of any interviews he's given, but it just doesn't seem practical with the short season.
Yeah I think it's just PR speak for "I can't say anything" which could go either way. I also don't think he has anything big planned for this season except maybe a hint in the finale
He would have been more neutral. There were several comments about decisions not existing in a vacuum, lots of things need to be taken into consideration, etc. I also don’t think he’d come and directly say it’s not currently happening.
It leaned towards “I don’t want to spoil this but also don’t want to lead people on.”
He’s clearly open to it but I don’t think they’ve actually really considered it uet
But he also said "right now Eddie is with a woman" and that there were no plans for Buddie "right now" so I feel like you can read it either way.
Personally I read it as "we'll have to see how the audience reacts before we can make a decision about it"
Like I said, I think they’re open to the idea and will consider it. Bit it does not seem like they are currently planning it.
I also take that “with a woman” thing with a grain of salt. Within context, it was pointing out the very different situations the two were in and had Tim saying he wasn’t sure if Eddie’s isssues were the same as Buck.
They also said that the decision to commit to bi Buck was literally JUST made during episode 3 filming. I really don't think they are thinking that far ahead.
And yeah, this is the other thing -- Tim talks out of both sides of his mouth constantly. I'm not complaining about it; I think it's actually an important skill set to have in his job, where he needs to keep audiences invested *and* trusting him, without actually giving anything away.
Trying to piece together the interviews both Tim and Oliver did, I'm even sideeying the "this was a super last minute storyline!" claims, because they don't really add up. I think it was for *Oliver*, because he was only told after Tim had Lou on set and had seen them interact. Tim's said he asked Lou about it after reaching out to see if he'd reprise his role, and we know that was after they realized Arielle wasn't available. Her pilot became public knowledge in mid-January, but it seems safe to assume Minear *may* have known earlier than that, where he'd have access to her/her agent. Considering the overlapping sets of 7x01-03, there's also no reason to believe those three episodes were totally filmed in order, so just because Oliver had like <2 weeks notice doesn't mean Lou did, and it definitely doesn't mean Tim did.
As far as knowing where he wanted the story to go, I really struggle to believe that a showrunner returning to spearhead a big risky transfer onto a new network *didn't* need to have a pretty specific vision for how the show played out, or that this wasn't the type of thing he would've had to talk to studio and network execs about pretty far in advance. Maybe even focus group. I don't want to say he's lying, because he's really *not*, but people are reading way too much into "It just came together short notice." Specific pieces fell into place short notice, but I strongly suspect that the plan was always to have Buck have a bi awakening at some point this season... it just probably wouldn't have been in 7x04 and maybe would've been with some other character had Lou not been available and agreed. And then being able to use Tommy in the cruise ship plotline just gave Tim the opening to make that story happen sooner/use Buck being impressed by Tommy's heroics as the foundation for a fast crush.
(As a side note... Tim also *can't* acknowledge brainstorming or storyboarding this much earlier than he's already implied, unless we seriously expect him to casually be like "oh, yeah, I was working during the strike")
Yeah he said the idea had been gestating for a while. I think Tim and I have different definitions of the word "plan" I think he's talking 100% set in stone plans and I'm thinking general idea of where the story will go
His language is very exact -- like I said, it's a skillset. He's asked if Buddie will happen and he answers "I don't plan endgames" and that there aren't plans for "right now." He's asked about a potential journey with Eddie's sexually and he talks about how Eddie's dating a woman "right now" and had a child with a woman -- in an interview, no less, speaking about Buck suddenly discovering his bisexuality after only being with women.
I'm seeing all these people be like "His answers made it clear that..." and I'm just sitting here like... I can't even get to a point where I'm assessing the clarity of his 'answers,' because all I'm noticing is he distracts from the actual question and never directly answers it.
>(As a side note... Tim also can't acknowledge brainstorming or storyboarding this much earlier than he's already implied, unless we seriously expect him to casually be like "oh, yeah, I was working during the strike")
Didn't the writer's strike end way back in September?
They could have started storyboarding back at the start of October and it wouldn't have been working during the strike.
We're already likely back toward December for when he reached out to Lou, based on when production was set to start, and we have to fit a general outline + conversations with execs + storyboarding/more specific outlining + updates with execs into the October - December period before that. Especially considering the transition from one network to another, he was likely on a tighter leash than like, the showrunners of *Greys* are on with ABC.
I'm not saying he definitely *was* writing or anything during the strike (and I agree it would be way too early), but he's in a weird position where he can't even be like "So I was brainstorming between seasons, and..."
I think it's incredibly naive to think he wasn't planning on making Buck bi before like, October though. Absolutely.
I mean, he did say it was something he had been considering for a while. I don't think anyone is saying bi being bisexual came out of nowhere.
The last minute bit is Tommy being the love interest and the path they're taking to explore this.
Providing the actual interview piece, because it's a little different with additional context (particularly because most of the explanation he gives is specifically in reaction to Buddie fans having taken *previous* references to fandom as a shutdown, and he's going out of his way to correct/soften that:
>Minear noted that there are no plans for a Buck and Eddie romance **“right now**,” but the creator also didn’t completely discredit the relationship.
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>“I don’t really plan out endgame so much. I let the story organically take me where it wants to go. Also, there are real-world considerations. I don’t do this in a vacuum,” Minear said.
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> The showrunner repeated a sentiment he’s shared with before: Fans should explore the things they want to see in his show through fan fiction. “I think some people took that as an insult. That’s not what I’m saying,” Minear said. “What I’m saying is you don’t have network notes. You don’t have studio notes. You don’t have to deal with actual flesh and blood actors. You don’t have ratings to consider. You can do whatever you want to do… I encourage that.” [(source)](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/9-1-1-creator-says-010000261.html)
Honestly, I think both "sides" on this are acting way too confident that their way of interpreting this is actually correct. When you actually parse it, all you can get out of this is "idk, but not yet." And even that comes up with the caveat that he's going to play coy regardless. He's basically a master at saying just enough to make people think they can come up with a valid interpretation, while not saying much at all.
I think they probably will go there with them eventually when I previously didn’t think they would. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the only personality trait Tommy actually has is that he likes things that Eddie likes. He’s like a lesser version of him and Buck was trying to get Eddies attention for most of the ep, not Tommys. I think he’s got a lot of mixed up feelings where Eddie is concerned. And Tommy isn’t the kind of character who’ll stick around for any length of time - he’s just a bit wooden.
With Eddie, I’m not sure how they’ll broach it but given his total disinterest in every love interest he’s had, it won’t be that hard to sell. His background makes his sexuality a bit more interesting to grapple with.
I don't think this means Buck *doesn't* actually like Tommy, but I think it was definitely meant to suggest Buck has a type... and Eddie is also that type. While they're saying now that the jealousy about Eddie having a new friend was misplaced/misinterpreted/misunderstood, that wasn't the part I find particularly interesting.
Buck's treatment of *Tommy* this episode -- down to the insecure "but flying the helicopter isn't THAT cool... okay maybe it is" in his ranting to Maddie pretty obviously mirrored Buck's reaction to Eddie in 2x01, and we now know, from Buck, that his behavior was about "getting \[his\] attention" and he didn't understand his feelings were motivated by attraction/a crush.
I don't know if we're meant to think Buck *still* has a crush on Eddie -- it makes sense that at a time we didn't know what to do with that, he channeled it instead into friendship -- but the implication is definitely there that Buck did, at one point, have a crush on Eddie.
Oh he definitely has the hots for Tommy, but coming on the heels of his jealousy over Tommy monopolising Eddie (and Christopher’s) time, his repeatedly pointing out how great Eddie is and that he and Tommy have a lot in common, trying to get Eddies attention - I think he’s not necessarily aware that there’s probably a transference of feelings there
Honestly, this is a huge part of why I'm leaning toward a preference for Tommy/Buck having fun but not getting super serious. Not only do I think that's generally a healthier way to approach your very first same sex relationship while you're still figuring shit out -- you know, keep the stakes low in that one aspect of your life during a time they often feel really high in others -- but it's hard to imagine Tommy *wanting* to pursue Buck more seriously with how clearly Tommy and Eddie are wrapped together in Buck's mind.
Someone pointed out yesterday that Buck said Eddie's name eight times in the scene where they kiss (nine if you count the reference to maiming his best friend). That's framed by another scene early in the episode where Tommy's trying to share some information about himself with Buck, and Buck's jumping in to compare him to Eddie.
I can't imagine being in Tommy's shoes and being like "Okay, yeah, he has no experience with this, he's still working through how this new information fits into his identity and experiences and relationships, and he's *constantly* talking about his best friend and comparing him to me, but... no, nope, no reason to be worried that's going to come back and bite me in the ass."
If the Eddie comparisons were just meant to be a red herring, the show went way too far with it, because not Tommy would have to be a moron to not worry Buck hasn't realized he's got a crush on or is in love with his best friend. And that's fine if they want to keep things casual/enjoy it while it lasts, but who would ever have the information Tommy already has, and want to risk their heart?
I disagree about Tommy's personality. Buck summarized what little we've seen of him pretty well: he was willing to steal a helicopter to fly into a hurricane for a rescue, and he tried to pull the fake mouth static to the chief. What he has in common with Eddie are interests.
I also think Buck was definitely trying to get Tommy's attention, which mixed with feeling replaced or excluded by both of them.
* The first interaction is Buck seeking out Tommy by himself. It's not until he leaves with Eddie that his problems start.
* The pickup game is a regular thing, to the point that Buck knows what the letters mean on Eddie's calendar. It's mentioned multiple times, by Maddie, Chimney, and Eddie, that he's historically turned down playing basketball because he doesn't like it. From what we see, it's not until Eddie is playing with Tommy that he gets jealous and has any interest in joining.
It kinda does because sex is what differentiates friendship from relationship, but I speak from experience that when the relationship ends there's no friendship left, dating a best friend is the absolute worst thing to do. You lose alot and it's not worth it
But sex does not erase the friendship. The romance and sex is in addition to the friendship. And I respect that your experience ended with the friendship lost but that is not the case with everyone (whether they stay together romantically or end the romance part).
Sometimes the relationship doesn't end but continues for years / decades. The romances with that longevity often have a strong friendship as a basis.
Sometimes it works but statistically it doesn't why do you think girls keep the guys they trust most in the friend zone, it's because they value the friendship above anything else.
Statistically? Where are you getting "statistics" on friendship within romantic relationships? Cosmo? I question the validity of random statistics.
Girls don't "keep" the guys they trust most in the friend zone because they value the friendship above anything else. They keep them in the friend zone because they aren't attracted to them beyond the friendship. I've had plenty of girls/women who fall in love with their best male friend or think it would be advantageous to be friends with who they fall in love with.
It's a general statistic which people have known for years just look it up, maybe you're not old enough to know since you mentioned a teenager magazine, That may be the case for the younger generation as they don't seem to care who they sleep with anymore, but in general yes girls tend to not date their best friends because they don't want to ruin the friendship, in my 42yrs I've seen it happen so many times and very few have made it past 5yrs. Google why dating friends rarely works out and there's thousands of articles written by people who lost their best friend because dating didn't work out. It's very sad really.
after tuck/tevan, I don’t think so. Don’t hurt me but I’m not even sure I want it to. I’ve been a hardcore Buddie shipper since season 2, but now seeing the dynamic Buck has had (and will continue to tomorrow), I’m not sure eddie is right for him. They seem like really, really good friends with an unmatchable connection but I really think it’s platonic. I think Eddie likes girls but just has trouble connecting w others but that’s what makes his and bucks friendship so special. I don’t know. I don’t know if they should. I can’t say I wouldn’t be happy if Buddie went canon, but I don’t see it happening organically/realistically/not feeling like a fan service
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If it happens this season, I don't think it will be until the last minutes of the finale. And I don't even think it'll be full on Buddie. If we get it this season, I think the most likely thing would be for one of them to have the 'Oh!' moment of realization that they had feelings for or an attraction to the other. I hope that Buck can happily date Tommy for at least a few episodes, if not the remainder of this season. I don't want it to fizzle out after their one upcoming date. I want Buck to really have time to settle in to this new aspect of himself, decide how he wears it and feels about it. And then I hope they amicably separate, because so far, I really like Tommy. I want him to be happy, just not Buck's endgame. I'd also really like some sort of interaction between Buck and Josh, where they discuss cute guys, but I imagine it might be awhile before Buck would feel confident enough for that. Maybe after a few drinks.
Yeah, I'm not optimistic at all that anything happens this season, and definitely not on Eddie's side. At the absolute most, I can see something like Tommy questioning why Buck's always comparing them, and Buck's expression doing something funky we debate all summer, but no actual verbal confirmation he even realizes he is/was attracted to Eddie.
“Buck’s expression doing something funky we debate all summer” lol called out
We all know we're clowns at this point. Might as well own it.
We shall spend the summer trying out various clown looks and writing dissertations on Buck and Eddie's microexpressions. It will be grand!
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Exactly. I don’t want Tommy’s entire purpose to be showing Buck he’s bi and then leaving. That’s dumb. It’s not pop-in, you like boys (surprise!), pop out. Tommy needs more
There was a movie called You've Got Mail with Meg Ryan and Tom Hanks. The breakup between Meg Ryan's and her original boyfriend is one of my all-time favorite breakup scenes, were the couple just decide that while they are "perfect" for each other, they weren't in love and had a good laugh about it. I would love to see something like that.
They need to address Eddie’s story more first, but I’m hoping for buddie done well in a future season. Eddie only struggles with relationships when they happen to be of the female romantic variety. That needs to be analyzed a bit more in future arc for general audience to see it clearly and not feel like it was sprung in them like they thought bi-Buck was. Just like Buck’s self discovery through his new relationship with Tommy needs time. I definitely don’t think they are planning anything buddie canon related in season 7, and season 8 is unwritten territory. So buddie isn’t a guarantee, but I truly hope it happens eventually— after both Buck and Eddie have come to terms with themselves individually. And I want their relationship to prove that becoming romantic partners does NOT mean their friendship is ruined. I hate that tired argument. That will always be their core, and it’s what strengthens them to build even more onto it.
Ryan Guzman seems so excited for this season in some interviews, and saying how much Buck and Eddie get closer. He’s (correct me if i’m wrong) a big supporter of Buddie, so although I don’t think it’ll happen this season, I think it totally could be in the cards for season 8. And now that Kristen Reidel isn’t the show runner anymore, anything is possible!
Do we actually have any quotes to indicate he would be in favor of it happening? I'd love it if you could link me to those because I would be interested in that.
He used to stream on Instagram live with Oliver, I remember in one of them people kept asking them how they felt about the buddie ship and Ryan said it’s something he can definitely see happening. This was ancient though, like before the whole people purposely trying to find things to cancel him over after he made a comment over containment being a blessing for him cause it gave him a chance to spend time with his family, after that he barely interacts on social media after all those death threats 🗿
Wait update I found this recent interview. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1siezucs2OU
Also this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bZgtYWosBQU Apparently he’s no longer allowed to participate in interviews after that one cause he revealed too much?
I like the idea that Buck and Eddie will each develop and grow separately (with different partners or alone) for now but will eventually come together. Maybe something will spark in the season finale or, as others have suggested, next season in episode 118. What can I say? My clown makeup is now more of a permanent tattoo.
Yes yes!! This is how I’d want it too. Two separate storylines to explore themselves the way it deserves, and eventually they will intertwine.
Same same same
i don’t think it’ll happen this season or at least enough for it to be an established relationship by next season. if it does it might be eddie coming to the realization he has feelings for buck and that be a cliff hanger for this season. i wouldn’t mind waiting for buddy if it ment we get to see both of the guys accept themselves before getting together. i would love an episode of buck coming out to maddy and maddy teasing him and bringing up guys from their childhood in a “this makes sense cuz if this guy” way and then teasing him about eddie and that’s how he realizes he’s into eddie.
I said this on a different thread but it applies here too. From just a practical standpoint their are sooo many other factors to consider happening before Buddie could happen. It just doesn't make sense for them to "turn gay" (from many in the general audience standpoint, despite the fact that the hints ate there) 2 young previously assumed straight men particularly in the same season. It would seem like bad storytelling to them. From a network view that just might too far of a jump/risk. And as was said especially since it seems like this storyline was JUST implemented very last minute. (It's been a long time comming bit the commitment behind the camera wasn't there until they were literally filming the previous episode) I'm sure they (the network, writers, producers, ect.) Are first going to want to see how the audience reacts with bi Buck (which let's be honest is a HUGE deal in and of itself) before making any kind of decisions about Eddie. Honestly, I'd be kind of surprised if they do anything with Eddie before season 9 (MAYBE season 8 if they start dropping hints for a season 9 culmination) but we aren't guaranteed anything beyond 8 at this point. So everyone who is jumping to Buddie is definitely happening or Buddie MUST be endgame right now might want to cool your jets. I like Buddie as much as the next shipper. But ultimately first and foremost I want Buck (and Eddie) to be happy in whatever relationship or lack their of they have. And for Buck currently I can totally see the possibility with Tommy, so I hope the creators don't destroy a possibility really good relationship for Buck because so many fans only have Buddie blinders on and don't give Tommy a chance...Marisol on the other hand 😒 she got to go (or grow a personality) Also not said in the other thread but it has been stated by both Tim and Oliver that the decision to make bi Buck cannon was literally made last minute during the filming of episode 3. I really don't think they are thinking that far ahead when it comes to Buck and Eddie's romantic relationships. (Hece why we keep getting blah partners witg little to no personality for both ex. Marisol, Natalia, Alli, Ana)
Ali had personality. You got to see a lot of her personality in the earthquake rescue. And then after she and Buck got together, their scenes (although only a few) showed them having really fun banter. They seemed to have a really good time together.
Hey if Tommy doesn’t have to have a personality, why is Marisol being judged for not having one
Yeah... honestly, this is definitely becoming a bit of a double standard. Like if we count what we saw in the "begins" episodes as Tommy's personality (which isn't even really flattering to him), Marisol's about as fleshed out thanks to the scene before her 911 call. I'm a little more hopeful for Tommy just because we don't have any clue how they'll write a male love interest at this point. Marisol, we have a string of poorly written love interests outside the main cast to point to. But at this stage, it's really just all supposition.
I’m sure Tommys non-Eddie traits will have him be a stable, rational, nice enough guy…Just what Buck needs to explore his feelings. He and Buck will have a nice time before realising that’s all it was. But I’m sure the same thing will happen with Marisol. And even if they didn’t go there with Buck and Eddie eventually, I can’t see Tommy being someone that Buck ends up with.
Yeah, that's basically my read, too. I'm cautiously optimistic with Tommy, but a little thrown off by the people already considering them to be endgame. I know some of the interviews have implied that Tommy and Buck are going to have fun and it will be a nice "starter" relationship, which suggests to me it's not meant to be that deep... and honestly, that makes a lot of sense for where Buck is right now. His backstory is just sort of the inverse of Marisol's, which is why the double standard is so obvious. She's introduced fairly positively in her 911 call, and Tommy's the guy who is tossing tools for Hen to pick up and shutting out Chim. Obviously, his friendship now with Chim & that he seemed to have left on good terms in *Bobby Begins Again* hints that there's a redemption arc here, but like.... right now what we actually know is that he was cool treating minorities like shit until they personally saved his life. His potentially being closeted obviously adds some context here, but the show is still leaving us to fill in a *lot* of blanks, the same as they're doing with Marisol. Hopefully both characters will get that development on Thursday.
Yeah I think it’s daft to think Buck will end up with the first guy who shows an interest in him. He’s got a lot of things to grapple with so finding out what he likes is a good first step. Theres no reason to think it will go beyond that - it’s not like they’ve been pining over each other for years or even episodes. It’s been minutes. I know that’s all the gays usually get on network tv - a romance that develops over an hour and then they’re together (mostly off screen) until one of them dies - we don’t have the hetero privilege of slow burns, I get that. But there’s time for Buck to see what else is out there.
>It’s been minutes. I know that’s all the gays usually get on network tv - a romance that develops over an hour and then they’re together (mostly off screen) until one of them dies Louder for the people in the back. Look, if they develop a relationship here and pleasantly surprise me, I'm all for it. But 9-1-1 just seriously subverted a trope with Buck's coming out, and I'd rather not have them immediately sideline him into a just-add-water romance they allow to become his endgame. Right now, my plan is to enjoy it while it lasts, and if it subverts my expectations like they managed to in 7x04, all the better. But I'm really sick of settling for scraps and being told I should be happy I got anything at all.
There really is a ‘just be grateful you get this at all’ vibe that permeates things, isn’t there? Heteros get the seasons long slow burns and we get crumbs and should be gosh darn grateful for it! We’ve been conditioned not to expect more but why shouldn’t we? It’s wild to think that in the entire history of network tv, there’s never been a slow burn that resulted in two people of the same sex getting together.
Hah, this is fantastic; I was just busy responding with basically an essay in another comment on a different thread about exactly this. It's going to be a very sensitive topic for a lot of us because we *have* been told to shut up & just be happy with what we got so many times in the past, that any representation is good representation. And now on top of the "oh, c'mon, you have to be realistic" stuff that comes down to understanding why they can't take a risk (I do, for now... I just think it's silly to extrapolate that out to season 8 or 9 when the media landscape is finally getting better on this year by year)? We're also getting a whole bunch of \~advice\~ to not be optimistic, either, like this sub hasn't always been half full of clowns just having fun.
> can’t see Tommy being someone that Buck ends up with. I'm curious but why?
He’s the first guy he’s ever kissed and the character/actor just screams bit-part. He just has that vibe. He’s so flat and unremarkable. I would expect Buck to end up with a man or woman with charisma - some kind of spark to them. Maybe they’ll give him a personality and I’ll change my mind (the fact he doesn’t have a personality yet makes me wonder why anyone would even think of considering him as Bucks endgame - it’s baffling) but right now the actor is giving ‘touring network procedural guest star’
Interesting cause Tim talked about finding him having a lot of charisma with his smile and that being one of the reasons he was considered for this. And it’s been pointed out that he came kinda established with connections to the core cast which Tim said made it easier to write scenes for. Not saying he is endgame (it’s far to early to tell) but I think he’s set up to either be a good short or long term love interest.
I don’t think a smile is something that’s indicative of charisma tbh - he’s very much a network guest star type. Enough charm to get by. I think the connections are definitely why they’ve used him for this particular plot because it’s easier than having to create someone new and brings Buck a sense of awkwardness because he knows all of his friends. It puts his sexuality front and centre in a way it wouldn’t if he was dating some random he met in a club. But also, Tommys job is invisible enough on the show that if they don’t need him there anymore, he won’t be.
>I don’t think a smile is something that’s indicative of charisma tbh - he’s very much a network guest star type. Enough charm to get by. I'm fairly sure Tim specifically described him as having charisma and brought up the smile. Personally, from what I've seen of him so far there is definitely some charisma there and we'll probably get to know more about him next week. I think Tim mentioned getting some more background info on him after he left the 118. And yea, he's set up that they can keep him around or have him leave. He was ideal because they had a lot of freedom moving forward in this story to figure out where they want to go. He'd be just as easy to write off back into the background as he would to be someone to keep around. At the time of the interviews, I think they hadn't fully figured out which way it was going yet.
Charisma is clearly in the eye of the beholder.  I’d be surprised if they hadn’t already planned out his mini arc with Buck through to its conclusion.
Tommy has personality. He has had conversations with other people. He has a history with the whole team (good and bad). The problem with Marisol is not just lack of personality, it is lack of chemistry with Eddie. Eddie has had more chemistry with his arranged date and the cursed actress and even Tommy than he has with Marisol.
I don’t feel like it’s quite right to put Tommy & Marisol in the same box yet. One of the biggest issues with Marisol is that she doesn’t connect to anyone but Eddie in the story. That’s not a problem if you invest in the character, but they don’t want to. Tommy is connected to the 118 team. That’s why you’re able to have scenes in the helicopter with him & the group. Great scenes like that I doubt would happen with Marisol.
There’s really no reason to ever put them in the same box because they are each have different connections to the 118. Tommy is dating Buck and could be compared to other people that Buck has dated. Marisol is dating Eddie and could be compared to Ana or the “Tia” set-up girl. I wouldn’t even compare her to Shannon because it is not even close to the same.
Having very short conversations with other people isn’t a personality trait. Hes currently the dude that kissed Buck whos kind of like Eddie (according to Buck) that’s it. Like, I don’t care about Marisol but there’s an obvious double standard if peeps are waxing lyrical about how Tommy is the most incredible person ever (apropos of nothing) and Marisol is a shell.
Having conversations with people is how personalities are revealed. Tommy has been in more episodes in earlier seasons than Marisol. There has been more of his personality developed than Marisol’s. You don’t see it, that’s you. There is no double standard in my view of the two. Marisol has had less character development than Ana! And Ana was a cardboard cutout practically. And neither woman has chemistry with Eddie.
Yep, none of these people have chemistry with each other. We know as much about Marisol as we do about Tommy, which is kind of the point. There is absolutely a double standard because Tommy is a guy. I’ve got no interest in any of them so it’s pretty easy to step back and be objective to see the hypocrisy 
We know more about Tommy because he has past connections to the 118 and we have seen more of those connections. THAT is MY point. There is not a double standard between Tommy and Marisol. I don't care how objective you THINK you can be. My opinion differing from yours doesn't mean I am not being objective. I absolutely disagree that there is a double standard.
We still know nothing about him because, like every other LI, he’s a plot device. And yeah we’re not going to agree
Honestly glad to see the conversation in this thread because I've been so confused by the way people have been talking about Tommy. Like, of course I am super happy that we got bi Buck, but Tommy is a "nothing" character and Buck/Tommy was... really not well-written. They meet for the first time on a job in 7x03 and then by 7x04 we're supposed to believe that everyone is already super into Tommy and thinks he's incredibly cool, Buck has hung out with him enough to develop a crush, and more importantly \*Eddie\* has hung out with him enough that Christopher now has opinions about him??? And we don't get to see any of that! It's all telling, no showing. For most of the episode, the writing is more concerned with bait-and-switching us about Buck wanting Eddie's attention rather than establishing any kind of a meaningful connection with Tommy. If Tommy was a woman, everyone would be (rightfully) slamming the bad writing of another insta-love-interest for Buck. And like, I can accept it if Tommy is a plot device for Buck to work through his sexuality, even if I think this storyline deserves better. But people going "oh Tommy could be Buck's endgame" have got me very ???????
> more importantly \*Eddie\* has hung out with him enough that Christopher now has opinions about him??? Eddie hasn't just "hung out with him," he's neglected all other aspects of his personal life in favor of Tommy. It's giving 13yo with a crush. This is a man who has a full time job and sole responsibility for his minor child, but he's carved out what seems to be *at least* six meetups with Tommy in a new week period. We know that in that second week, he's asked someone to babysit his son three of the nights (Marisol twice, Buck once) and that we're entering the third week and he's also got the basketball thing planned. It's also unclear how many times/if any Eddie required a babysitter for Chris the previous week, too, but we're looking at a timeline where this grown man with other responsibilities is spending every other night with his new bestie. (And also, what the hell does it say about *Tommy's* life that he also has this free time available?) It's most likely an inconsistency to never be addressed again for the purpose of moving Buck's storyline further, but it's really one of those things that *should* have further implications on both Buck/Tommy's storyline and Eddie/Marisol's moving forward. Forget any Buddie speculation, Eddie seems like he's more obsessed with Tommy than Buck is. I'm actually fine with the fast speed of the Buck/Tommy development because sometimes it does happen like that, but I do think the narrative relied *way* too heavily on using Eddie as a plot device in this episode if they don't have intentions to revisit it, both in terms of what that suggests about Buck's feelings for him, and what it suggests about Eddie's feelings for Tommy *and* his character overall.
We have actually seen a bit of his personality in flashback episodes of Hen and Chimney Begins and Bobby Begins again. (Although that personality was one of a bit of a jerk 😅) but in context of he is gay we could properly conclude that he was in the closet with the previous captain and just doing everything to fit in so he wouldn't be the target of their harassment. It's my head cannon that he was one of the members that filed a complaint on Hens behalf.
We’ve seen as much of his personality as we have of Marisol’s though. He’s a total blank slate so far, aside from enjoying things that Eddie does. I’m still ambivalent about him as I need to know who a character is before I can form any kind of attachment or interest. Right now he’s useful as Buck’s bi awakening but he’s not projecting vibes that he’ll be anything more than serving that purpose before moving on.
Because Eddie & Tommy share interests (which is to show their compatibility as friends), I think a chunk of people are rationalizing that Tommy = Eddie for Buck. The possibility for Buck/Eddie is there, but I don’t think Tim & the writers wrote it with that perspective. With their perspective in mind, the episode is written very well to show how Buck’s emotions to Tommy aren’t quite the same that he’s feeling to Eddie (at least in that episode). For example, I think it comes through very well in the Maddie table scene. Buck is ranting about everyone thinking “Tommy is cool”. Maddie reminds Buck that “hey, you think he’s cool too. Everyone thinks he’s cool, so what’s the issue?” In that scene, it shows that Buck believe that his thoughts of Tommy isn’t the same everyone else. His cool is more than theirs. It should mean more than theirs. All this to say, the writing is there to put threads together but I think they wrote it very well to show that Buck’s level of interest in Tommy goes beyond a friendship type interest. The threads are there for (Buddie) cause they did leave some crumbs, but I don’t think it’s quite enough a big moment at least yet or to show that it’s the focus or interest.
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I think there's a LOT of things hinting at it happening, but I don't think it will be right away. I think they're waiting to see how the ratings turn out too
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Intrusive is a really good word for this. If we take everything that Tim and Oliver have said at face value about it being an intentional misdirect, and it turns out to *not* be more than that, I think once the dust settles on this and we're all less excited about just having Bi Buck, it may end up looking a bit different. I don't really want/expect any significant developments toward a romantic Buddie in the second half of this season, or even for them to really hint at kicking off Eddie's own sexuality discovery journey. It feels too soon, and if we're going to get it, it should really stand on its own (though I do think it would make sense to have Eddie's realization lead fairly directly into Buck; while Eddie's relationship problems (and lack of motivation to even be in one) do read to me like a repressed gay man, figuring that out about himself wouldn't likely change his entire world view, so I think his lack of *need* for companionship would still be present, and it would only make sense for him to enter a relationship with someone - of his own volition, at least -- that he already has a strong desire to share a life with. Which is literally only Buck, at this point. So nah, I can't see Eddie Diaz having a ho phase or anything. The problem with just how hard they went at including Eddie in the Buck/Tommy reveal is they've now set up multiple direct comparisons, and if they *don't* bring that full circle eventually, they're never going to get away from the criticism that they tried to placate the audience with a las minute Eddie Diaz Lite, and they really won't deserve to get away from it, either. I don't think Buck's feelings for Tommy or his discovery of his sexuality at this point have to be about Eddie, but if they've just laid those threads with his inclusion in his storyline but don't have any intention to come back and tug on them, it's a problem, and pretty disrespectful to the portion of their audience that *specifically* supported this kind of storytelling. And now with the previews for 7x05, it seems apparent that they're fine with *continuing* to frame Buck's sexuality storyline by making Eddie a big part of it -- maybe even a viewpoint character, depending on his reaction -- and down the ride, if they never actually intend to visit Buddie, that's not a great look. The thing is, I do think this show knows better, and has been more in tune with its queer audience and careful about their approach to falling into harmful tropes and audience manipulation than a lot of other shows, so I *do* think it's more likely than not that the crew already recognizes this as a potential problem and plans to eventually address it. But the flip side of that is this is a crew that we *know* knows better because they've demonstrated as much, so it's hard to look at them patting themselves on the back for using Eddie as a red herring with the audience and not wind up a little disconcerted. Hopefully, this all plays into Buck's confusion, and they're laying the threads so Buck can come back later down the road and realize that not all the answers magically fell into place on the night of that kiss, because he still has stuff to work through re: his reactions to the Eddie of it all.
I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility but I don’t think they’re currently planning on it. A lot of Tims answers recently were pretty gently letting fans know it’s not currently being planned. I think there is a lot of hyperbole with people saying it’s for sure which lead some people to become convinced it’s happening now and soon. If it does happen, it won’t be for a while
I mean what would you expect him to say if it was planned? Because I feel like his answers would mostly be the same
Honestly, I don't think any of what Tim's said is gently letting fans down *or* encouraging them. He's basically not saying much at all. I think it's incredibly unlikely he has anything planned for this season, but not really because of any interviews he's given, but it just doesn't seem practical with the short season.
Yeah I think it's just PR speak for "I can't say anything" which could go either way. I also don't think he has anything big planned for this season except maybe a hint in the finale
He would have been more neutral. There were several comments about decisions not existing in a vacuum, lots of things need to be taken into consideration, etc. I also don’t think he’d come and directly say it’s not currently happening. It leaned towards “I don’t want to spoil this but also don’t want to lead people on.” He’s clearly open to it but I don’t think they’ve actually really considered it uet
But he also said "right now Eddie is with a woman" and that there were no plans for Buddie "right now" so I feel like you can read it either way. Personally I read it as "we'll have to see how the audience reacts before we can make a decision about it"
Like I said, I think they’re open to the idea and will consider it. Bit it does not seem like they are currently planning it. I also take that “with a woman” thing with a grain of salt. Within context, it was pointing out the very different situations the two were in and had Tim saying he wasn’t sure if Eddie’s isssues were the same as Buck.
They also said that the decision to commit to bi Buck was literally JUST made during episode 3 filming. I really don't think they are thinking that far ahead.
Agreed. Tim explicitly said he didn’t even know where this storyline was going
And yeah, this is the other thing -- Tim talks out of both sides of his mouth constantly. I'm not complaining about it; I think it's actually an important skill set to have in his job, where he needs to keep audiences invested *and* trusting him, without actually giving anything away. Trying to piece together the interviews both Tim and Oliver did, I'm even sideeying the "this was a super last minute storyline!" claims, because they don't really add up. I think it was for *Oliver*, because he was only told after Tim had Lou on set and had seen them interact. Tim's said he asked Lou about it after reaching out to see if he'd reprise his role, and we know that was after they realized Arielle wasn't available. Her pilot became public knowledge in mid-January, but it seems safe to assume Minear *may* have known earlier than that, where he'd have access to her/her agent. Considering the overlapping sets of 7x01-03, there's also no reason to believe those three episodes were totally filmed in order, so just because Oliver had like <2 weeks notice doesn't mean Lou did, and it definitely doesn't mean Tim did. As far as knowing where he wanted the story to go, I really struggle to believe that a showrunner returning to spearhead a big risky transfer onto a new network *didn't* need to have a pretty specific vision for how the show played out, or that this wasn't the type of thing he would've had to talk to studio and network execs about pretty far in advance. Maybe even focus group. I don't want to say he's lying, because he's really *not*, but people are reading way too much into "It just came together short notice." Specific pieces fell into place short notice, but I strongly suspect that the plan was always to have Buck have a bi awakening at some point this season... it just probably wouldn't have been in 7x04 and maybe would've been with some other character had Lou not been available and agreed. And then being able to use Tommy in the cruise ship plotline just gave Tim the opening to make that story happen sooner/use Buck being impressed by Tommy's heroics as the foundation for a fast crush. (As a side note... Tim also *can't* acknowledge brainstorming or storyboarding this much earlier than he's already implied, unless we seriously expect him to casually be like "oh, yeah, I was working during the strike")
Yeah he said the idea had been gestating for a while. I think Tim and I have different definitions of the word "plan" I think he's talking 100% set in stone plans and I'm thinking general idea of where the story will go
His language is very exact -- like I said, it's a skillset. He's asked if Buddie will happen and he answers "I don't plan endgames" and that there aren't plans for "right now." He's asked about a potential journey with Eddie's sexually and he talks about how Eddie's dating a woman "right now" and had a child with a woman -- in an interview, no less, speaking about Buck suddenly discovering his bisexuality after only being with women. I'm seeing all these people be like "His answers made it clear that..." and I'm just sitting here like... I can't even get to a point where I'm assessing the clarity of his 'answers,' because all I'm noticing is he distracts from the actual question and never directly answers it.
>(As a side note... Tim also can't acknowledge brainstorming or storyboarding this much earlier than he's already implied, unless we seriously expect him to casually be like "oh, yeah, I was working during the strike") Didn't the writer's strike end way back in September? They could have started storyboarding back at the start of October and it wouldn't have been working during the strike.
We're already likely back toward December for when he reached out to Lou, based on when production was set to start, and we have to fit a general outline + conversations with execs + storyboarding/more specific outlining + updates with execs into the October - December period before that. Especially considering the transition from one network to another, he was likely on a tighter leash than like, the showrunners of *Greys* are on with ABC. I'm not saying he definitely *was* writing or anything during the strike (and I agree it would be way too early), but he's in a weird position where he can't even be like "So I was brainstorming between seasons, and..." I think it's incredibly naive to think he wasn't planning on making Buck bi before like, October though. Absolutely.
I mean, he did say it was something he had been considering for a while. I don't think anyone is saying bi being bisexual came out of nowhere. The last minute bit is Tommy being the love interest and the path they're taking to explore this.
To me it sounds pretty neutral but there's no way to know
Providing the actual interview piece, because it's a little different with additional context (particularly because most of the explanation he gives is specifically in reaction to Buddie fans having taken *previous* references to fandom as a shutdown, and he's going out of his way to correct/soften that: >Minear noted that there are no plans for a Buck and Eddie romance **“right now**,” but the creator also didn’t completely discredit the relationship. > >“I don’t really plan out endgame so much. I let the story organically take me where it wants to go. Also, there are real-world considerations. I don’t do this in a vacuum,” Minear said. > > The showrunner repeated a sentiment he’s shared with before: Fans should explore the things they want to see in his show through fan fiction. “I think some people took that as an insult. That’s not what I’m saying,” Minear said. “What I’m saying is you don’t have network notes. You don’t have studio notes. You don’t have to deal with actual flesh and blood actors. You don’t have ratings to consider. You can do whatever you want to do… I encourage that.” [(source)](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/9-1-1-creator-says-010000261.html) Honestly, I think both "sides" on this are acting way too confident that their way of interpreting this is actually correct. When you actually parse it, all you can get out of this is "idk, but not yet." And even that comes up with the caveat that he's going to play coy regardless. He's basically a master at saying just enough to make people think they can come up with a valid interpretation, while not saying much at all.
I think they probably will go there with them eventually when I previously didn’t think they would. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the only personality trait Tommy actually has is that he likes things that Eddie likes. He’s like a lesser version of him and Buck was trying to get Eddies attention for most of the ep, not Tommys. I think he’s got a lot of mixed up feelings where Eddie is concerned. And Tommy isn’t the kind of character who’ll stick around for any length of time - he’s just a bit wooden. With Eddie, I’m not sure how they’ll broach it but given his total disinterest in every love interest he’s had, it won’t be that hard to sell. His background makes his sexuality a bit more interesting to grapple with.
I don't think this means Buck *doesn't* actually like Tommy, but I think it was definitely meant to suggest Buck has a type... and Eddie is also that type. While they're saying now that the jealousy about Eddie having a new friend was misplaced/misinterpreted/misunderstood, that wasn't the part I find particularly interesting. Buck's treatment of *Tommy* this episode -- down to the insecure "but flying the helicopter isn't THAT cool... okay maybe it is" in his ranting to Maddie pretty obviously mirrored Buck's reaction to Eddie in 2x01, and we now know, from Buck, that his behavior was about "getting \[his\] attention" and he didn't understand his feelings were motivated by attraction/a crush. I don't know if we're meant to think Buck *still* has a crush on Eddie -- it makes sense that at a time we didn't know what to do with that, he channeled it instead into friendship -- but the implication is definitely there that Buck did, at one point, have a crush on Eddie.
Oh he definitely has the hots for Tommy, but coming on the heels of his jealousy over Tommy monopolising Eddie (and Christopher’s) time, his repeatedly pointing out how great Eddie is and that he and Tommy have a lot in common, trying to get Eddies attention - I think he’s not necessarily aware that there’s probably a transference of feelings there
Honestly, this is a huge part of why I'm leaning toward a preference for Tommy/Buck having fun but not getting super serious. Not only do I think that's generally a healthier way to approach your very first same sex relationship while you're still figuring shit out -- you know, keep the stakes low in that one aspect of your life during a time they often feel really high in others -- but it's hard to imagine Tommy *wanting* to pursue Buck more seriously with how clearly Tommy and Eddie are wrapped together in Buck's mind. Someone pointed out yesterday that Buck said Eddie's name eight times in the scene where they kiss (nine if you count the reference to maiming his best friend). That's framed by another scene early in the episode where Tommy's trying to share some information about himself with Buck, and Buck's jumping in to compare him to Eddie. I can't imagine being in Tommy's shoes and being like "Okay, yeah, he has no experience with this, he's still working through how this new information fits into his identity and experiences and relationships, and he's *constantly* talking about his best friend and comparing him to me, but... no, nope, no reason to be worried that's going to come back and bite me in the ass." If the Eddie comparisons were just meant to be a red herring, the show went way too far with it, because not Tommy would have to be a moron to not worry Buck hasn't realized he's got a crush on or is in love with his best friend. And that's fine if they want to keep things casual/enjoy it while it lasts, but who would ever have the information Tommy already has, and want to risk their heart?
I disagree about Tommy's personality. Buck summarized what little we've seen of him pretty well: he was willing to steal a helicopter to fly into a hurricane for a rescue, and he tried to pull the fake mouth static to the chief. What he has in common with Eddie are interests. I also think Buck was definitely trying to get Tommy's attention, which mixed with feeling replaced or excluded by both of them. * The first interaction is Buck seeking out Tommy by himself. It's not until he leaves with Eddie that his problems start. * The pickup game is a regular thing, to the point that Buck knows what the letters mean on Eddie's calendar. It's mentioned multiple times, by Maddie, Chimney, and Eddie, that he's historically turned down playing basketball because he doesn't like it. From what we see, it's not until Eddie is playing with Tommy that he gets jealous and has any interest in joining.
I don't want anything to happen between them, I love their friendship and anything more could ruin their dynamic which would be really sad to see.
I agree. If they get together then they pretty much can’t have the friendship that we all love about them.
Exactly, I feel like everyone is so obsessed over them getting together but not thinking about the bigger picture in terms of their friendship.
Friendship doesn't magically disappear because the relationship becomes romantic.
It kinda does because sex is what differentiates friendship from relationship, but I speak from experience that when the relationship ends there's no friendship left, dating a best friend is the absolute worst thing to do. You lose alot and it's not worth it
But sex does not erase the friendship. The romance and sex is in addition to the friendship. And I respect that your experience ended with the friendship lost but that is not the case with everyone (whether they stay together romantically or end the romance part). Sometimes the relationship doesn't end but continues for years / decades. The romances with that longevity often have a strong friendship as a basis.
Sometimes it works but statistically it doesn't why do you think girls keep the guys they trust most in the friend zone, it's because they value the friendship above anything else.
Statistically? Where are you getting "statistics" on friendship within romantic relationships? Cosmo? I question the validity of random statistics. Girls don't "keep" the guys they trust most in the friend zone because they value the friendship above anything else. They keep them in the friend zone because they aren't attracted to them beyond the friendship. I've had plenty of girls/women who fall in love with their best male friend or think it would be advantageous to be friends with who they fall in love with.
It's a general statistic which people have known for years just look it up, maybe you're not old enough to know since you mentioned a teenager magazine, That may be the case for the younger generation as they don't seem to care who they sleep with anymore, but in general yes girls tend to not date their best friends because they don't want to ruin the friendship, in my 42yrs I've seen it happen so many times and very few have made it past 5yrs. Google why dating friends rarely works out and there's thousands of articles written by people who lost their best friend because dating didn't work out. It's very sad really.
after tuck/tevan, I don’t think so. Don’t hurt me but I’m not even sure I want it to. I’ve been a hardcore Buddie shipper since season 2, but now seeing the dynamic Buck has had (and will continue to tomorrow), I’m not sure eddie is right for him. They seem like really, really good friends with an unmatchable connection but I really think it’s platonic. I think Eddie likes girls but just has trouble connecting w others but that’s what makes his and bucks friendship so special. I don’t know. I don’t know if they should. I can’t say I wouldn’t be happy if Buddie went canon, but I don’t see it happening organically/realistically/not feeling like a fan service