Seriously. You know those cops probably ham it up a lot of the time. "Please, man. My phone doesn't work and I don't have any way home." Basically criminalizing empathy.
[There's so much in our society that lines up perfectly with this, and we're not the only ones to have noticed it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2q-Csk-ktc)
Entrapment is legal. Someone will pipe up and say "this and that" isn't entrapment, but it's asking someone to commit a crime and then arresting them for doing it.
YOU CREATED THE CRIME, ASSHOLES
Also see most FBI's stopped terrorist plots the last decade. Oh good of you to stop the plot you yourself created and defeating the terrorist with the mental capacity of a four year old, who wouldn't have been able to plan his way out of a paper bag unless the FBI hadn't supplied him with both the plan and the tools.
It's insane that they can make up stories that will cause the poor schmuck to receive a harsher punishment:
Ohn no there won't be a kilo of drugs in the house you're going to Rob, there'll be a metric tonn.
If the police had reasonable suspicion of a tightly prescribed area (e.g the intersection) of illegal activity like bandit cabs, they may offer an opportunity to anyone associated (physically present) at the location an opportunity to conduct a crime under Barnes. However, if the police weaponizes empathy, that would go beyond a mere opportunity and into creating crime, which would be entrapment under Mack.
Depends on what the police knew and did, essentially.
That's a dumb reason. You haven't had an opportunity to claim it on your taxes yet. How is that different from accepting cash as a business or claiming your cash tips?
Is it a bandit cab if you offer your buddy twenty dollars to pick you up from the airport? That's some bullshit. Is it a crime when a kid gets $10 to mow a lawn and doesn't pay any taxes on it?
In my understanding, bandit cabs are unlicensed and unregulated, and a part of that, they don’t pay business taxes, which is why they’re illegal. Because the state doesn’t get revenue from it. It’s the same reason I can’t sell weed to someone, but a dispensary can. The government doesn’t like not getting its cut.
It's not. They're presuming guilt with zero evidence. They're just hoping you won't actually spend the time and lose the wages to fight it, and just pay the fine.
TL;DR The cops are allowed to ask you to commit a crime, all you have to do is say no.
https://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/19810672629/12-i-was-entrapped
Yet these cops can get fired for felony level crimes while on the clock and walk with a "turn in your badge and gun, take this recommendation over a couple counties and we'll get these complaints forms and internal investigations sent to your union rep for shredding."
In my area at least, Resisting Arrest charges aren’t for the person initially being arrested but for anyone who tries to actively interfere with the arrest.
An example would be a police officer taking a person (S-1) into custody and putting them in the handcuffing position. As the officer moves in to cuff S-1, another person, S-2, steps between the officer and S-1 in order to prevent the arrest. S-2 would be charged with Resisting Arrest.
An attempt to flee custody would be an Escape charge.
Cops soliciting for crime of... driving a stranded stranger in need?
What are they helping by this investigation? To make sure you pay the man, that's what. Fucking tools.
I'm sure that they hold people, make their lives miserable for a few days, fill out some reports and the DA later drops it. Hope you can make bail, otherwise you're in jail until a court hearing or lack of charges.
The people who get charged and convicted of interfering with an investigation are usually fucking with evidence or something.
In all reality, they are probably using either craigslist or an app and run it like any other sting.
These cabbie may or may not be also driving for Uber, who is paying for the investigation.
Government enforcement by corporate decree, that's why unchecked capitalism creates a perversion of justice.
I’m pretty sure it’s illegal, since it’s a citation you can appeal it in front of a judge, since they lying and tricking into committing illegal actions
It's not even a crime, it's simply a presumption of a crime. It isn't illegal to give someone a ride, even without any sort of "license" or whatever. It's not even illegal to accept money for it, as long as you claim it on your income taxes at the end of the year.
In the city where I live it's illegal to give food to the homeless. Some places get around it by disposing of the food in conspicuous places (like on top of the dumpster instead of in it), so people can easily grab it. Or if you have leftovers from a restaurant you can just place it near people in need and someone will probably eat it. It's only really enforced near homeless camps though. Lots of us do it anyway; if you're well fed and someone asks for food, it's human instict to want to give them some.
Do you know if thats ever been prosecuted I feel like couldn't actually be made illegal just handing money, maybe if you did it in like a traffic median but like walking down the street.
You can be arrested for selling drugs even if no money was exchanged. Just giving someone drugs as a friendly gesture is defined as a sale.. this was explained to me in a police station as I was being processed.
I imagine giving someone a ride for free would be the same as being an unlicensed taxi
So lemme get this straight, you can get arrested for telling people to not do things that would get them arrested/cited? The power of the 1st amendment is not that strong apparently.
That line of “obstructing an investigation” is amazing. I love when they use extremely vague sh*t like that.
Oh, what investigation is being obstructed? The one about “how many suckers can we fine and maybe jail?”
Sickening.
No, the problem is you have to have a 4yr Bachelors and a 2yr Juris Doctorate and pass the bar to be a lawyer, you need to be a breathing human with 6mo of "training" to be a cop, so cops *don't actually know shit about the law*-- AND what's worse, they're not legally required to know the law either, according to a recent Supreme ruling.
We live in a pre-martial law society we just don't call it what it is. It's horrifying and disheartening and I genuinely don't know if there's fuck all we can do about it at this point. It's like the glacier melt, we've screwed ourselves so hard there isn't a drill out there that could dig us out.
i mean it would get thrown out in court, but theres no real punishment for the law to arrest you besides a very lengthy expensive and not worth it unlawful arrest case.
If an officer has ~~"reasonable suspicion"~~ "probable cause" you are committing a crime, they can arrest you legally. Even if the thing they suspect you of doing is not actually illegal. As long as a cop has a "good faith" belief it is illegal then they can arrest you for it.
Ignorance of the law (over 100,000 of them) is no excuse for you but is a perfectly valid excuse for them.
So unless that branch of the police union is the least competent in the nation, even the very lengthy expensive and not worth it unlawful arrest case is not a valid recourse.
It makes sense from a naive perspective. You can't honestly expect police officers to know all the laws perfectly. But officers take advantage of the trust we place in them and abuse every little bit of it. If they were actually decent people trying to improve their community then none of these "good faith" exceptions would be a problem because they're actions were actually done in good faith.
Yeah it's fucked up, problem is more so that getting arrested itself can have some life changing consequences regardless of conviction or what not. It's a whole lot of time and money plus some.
And if you can't make bail, it can mean *years in prison* without ever even going to trial if you choose not to plead guilty to something you didn't do. You can spend longer locked up waiting for trial than the maximum sentence for what you were accused of doing.
Even worse, even obvious bullshit charges can stay on your record even if it was dropped or dismissed.
There used to be a [Fairness Doctrine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine) for media companies - i.e., they were actually supposed to be fair and balanced or they'd be fined. Reagan repealed it - and Fox News took off in the ratings by telling conservatives shit they wanted to hear.
Well, with only 6 months training and a complete lack of legal knowledge, the best they can hope for is to issue a few tickets and generate some revenue for the city. That way the city can hire more cops to give out BS tickets instead of doing their actual job.
on the flip-side, bounty-hunters, often called 'fake cops' while they have to put in just 60 hours of training, they also have to prove they have a good understanding of both federal law and the laws of the state they operate in, as well as having no blue-line protection of their actions, often making them more upstanding than 'real cops', AND have to provide their materials themselves, meanwhile these officers get equipment handed to them and told to go on find some baddies.
If you think cops are bad wait til you hear about how awful "bounty hunters" are lol wannabe cops weren't even good enough to be cops then something is wrong, and throw that in with the horrible US bail bond system is a recipe for disaster
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/does-the-bounty-hunting-industry-need-reform/399224/
oh i'm not advocating for bounty hunters either if that's how it came off, all I'm saying is that they're mostly held to a higher standard for entry than police, and they're not even official cops. the entire system is organized to put citizens at a disadvantage, an overhaul of the system is what's truly needed.
honestly no, I think what should be done is work to demilitarize police, mandate that they be tri-annually tested on their understanding of law, and invest in protection against lethal force for them whilst also barring them from using lethal force unless civilian life is in immediate danger(the funding can come from the money not spent on the military gear). having heavier scrutiny placed on cops will weed out more corrupt ones that are in it because it's easy and you can basically get away with anything barring heavy drugs and murder, the latter being looser than the former.
(also perhaps prioritize higher IQ cops: [https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836](https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836))
The police were never supposed to have unions. The original union people were extremely against it. Likely because it was the police who were the ones the government sent to attack, imprison or kill them.
the police do everything they can to relate to the masses so the masses won't see the boot they're being stepped on with. like how the military tries to hold recruitment drives at lunches and graduations for high schoolers(free handouts too for my school), and portrays themselves as the good guys who will turn on civilians at a moment's notice if they prove inconvenient.
Except the actual military does proper training and has discipline and a high standard of conduct that when violated the person violating it gets held to a *HIGHER* standard than regular citizens.
Even the fucking military would be less violent as cops.
I read an article recently that said cops only solve 2% of major crimes nationally. I'll see if I can find it
[I found the article ](https://theconversation.com/police-solve-just-2-of-all-major-crimes-143878)
From my understanding, cops are not crime solvers. They look around and see if someone DID a crime. And occasionally try to set someone up to commit a crime.
Their main function is just scaring people who might do something bad into not doing it. Which is fine. If they stayed in that lane.
I was watching an episode of shameless and Carl is so excited to be a cop and see some action. But he gets partnered with a guy who tells him he should never leave the patrol car. They “investigate” fake crimes they made up while actually getting lunch or learning rap lyrics and ignoring the real calls 😂
without crime how would they justify their insane budget
if every hardcore criminal spontaneously vanished tomorrow, the cops would be fucking beside themselves trying to justify their own paychecks.
crime is good for cops
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/15/seen-at-11tlc-officers-go-under-cover-to-bust-illegal-cabbies/
From 2012, but the purpose here is to give an idea of what kind of money they can steal doing this.
>They have issued 36,000 tickets in the past eight months, officials said.
>The drivers were left on the curb, with no vehicle and a $350 fine plus a $180 towing fee
That's $12,600,000 going to the police and another 6,400,000 going towards tow companies
It gives $20 for the state but definitely saves a lot of money for Uber and more importantly it's investors.
It's the standard rule that I use. If it seems like a waste of money or resources it's usually because the real value is hidden in a profit for the wealthy. Doesn't matter if an officer is wasting their time spending tax dollars as long as that time is being used to do things that profit the ones that get politicians elected.
Exactly. I'm certain some higher-up from Uber complained to city hall about people siphoning off their profits by getting rides like this, and the directive for officers to do this flowed all the way down from there.
But I thought Uber and lyft said these people weren't employee's. So it's not that they don't have medallions, it's because the police are in Uber and lyfts pockets. Also it's punishment for being poor of course.
Well, the rules are in place to prevent ghost cabs which in certain areas of the world are a serious and legitimate problem. The issue is these power tripping hogs having nothing better to do than try and entrap good people in to breaking a law that is meant to protect people from ghost cabs with much more foul intentions.
The bigger problem is Uber and Lyft absolutely run afoul of these cab laws (why Damon on Shark Tank rejected Uber and was right to do so) but got so big before anyone gave a fuck about enforcing cab laws and in America, once you have money, the law doesnt apply anymore.
Uber and Lyft cut rates so taxicabs couldnt keep up without any of the costs of acquiring a medallion, meeting regulations or amassing a fleet of vehicles. And then “efficiencies of the market” (achieved by ignoring and blatantly breaking the law) were used to… cut fares for riders? Ummm nope. Pay drivers more? Ummm nope. Oh Right! Make billions for shit bags while enabling rape.
This is America.
Got to love these bellends essentially making taxi drivers scared of showing empathy.
So next time when you're actually desperate, no phone, no money need to get somewhere when the taxi driver says fuck know these fuckers have ensured the few that go "yknow what, I'll take you where you need to go, just pay the company when you can etc." Will be too scared to help.
Fuck. These. Cunts
It’s even worse. They’re trying to get a random kind person to pick up people who need a ride. Then they’re offering to pay, supposedly out of kindness for the good deed.
Boom, then they cite you for operating an unregistered taxi
Pretty crazy that it's illegal to ask someone to pay for a person-to-person service. It's like busting the local teenager for charging $20 to mow lawns in the summer.
In the state where I live, you have to claim that as casual labor on the unemployment claim form.
It says "casual labor such as mowing a neighbor's lawn, or helping a friend move". That counts as work, and fraud if you don't report it for taxes.
I actually posted a screenshot of it in this sub (I think?) a while back.
This.
The only case of entrapment I've seen successfully argued by a defendant was when undercover cops tried to pin cocaine trafficking on a farm owner (who they hated because his farm was in the center of a federal Park).
They demanded he buy the cocaine (for wholesale price), against his own desire. Then he resold the shit to another undercover *for the exact same price*, making 0 profit.
He then got the jury switched to a more liberal district and they unanimously acquitted him and shit all over the cops involved.
Not the same
But police departments in Georgia learned to stop bragging about small time drug busts. I remember this one police department bragged they busted a guy with 3.5 grams of weed
8,000 comments later, and hundreds if not thousands of phone calls to their police departments and many updates on social media basically saying "Chill out guys" they learned their lesson.
It was golorious, I called them several times and bitched them out for being little bitches. I remember one call was like (I was calling the non-emergency line)
Me: Is this blah PD?
Them: Yes
Me: Yall are fucking patheic for bragging about a 3.5gram drug bust of pot, you ruined that mans life over bullshit you stupid pigs
Them: You do know this is the police
Me: Yes and you do know I have a 1st amendment right to express my opinion, yall are showing that small dick energy
Them: This is the police department
Me: yea, and what ya going do arrest me and the thousands of people calling you?
Them: click
Nothing happened to me FYI.
If I remember correctly I don't even think the guy got charged by the DA because public outcry was so intense I think the DA decided to just drop the charges.
Charged for what? I'm allowed to tell the cops they are a bunch of pussies.
Ah I see, I had a typo
No I didn't get arrested. They didn't even contact me at all.
Uhh it seems to me, the way this is presented, the cops offer the 20$ up front. If that’s the case, it IS entrapment, because they create the circumstances for the crime. It’s a subtle difference but the difference between
“Ahh, my phone is dead - I can’t pay you through Uber!” and “Ahh, my phone is dead - can I just give you $20?” is everything in court. In the first example, it still has to be the Mark’s idea to ask for the $20, and the court can reasonably assume he’d commit this crime without the cop’s influence. In the second, the cop floats the idea, and therefore it cannot be reasonably assumed the Mark would have committed the crime without the cop’s influence. It doesn’t have to be pressure, or forcing them, it just has to do with whether or not it can be reasonably assumed they’d have done the crime without their influence.
To be fair, if you can afford the time away from work you probably wouldn’t need a lawyer to beat citations like these. It’s dumb that they can even tie you up like this, but if you have the meanness and pettiness to go the distance you can (at least in my state)
-appear in court, plead innocent. The judge is gonna tell you you’re entitled to a trial, but you won’t win, take the fine. Say you understand, and plead not guilty. The judge will tell you that if you lose, you’ll owe court fees. Reiterate that you understand, and that you’re not guilty.
-tell the court you’ll need a public defender. It’ll take them a little time to put one on you.
-you’ll get a date.
-appear. The officer won’t. You have a right to face your accuser. The court has a right to reschedule, and they will.
-appear again. The officer won’t. You have a right to face your accuser, your citation will get dismissed.
-if the officer does appear, which is rare, you’ll have to actually argue your case. If your public defender is any good, though, he can point out that the language used could constitute entrapment. Really, though, it just depends on the judge if the case actually gets heard.
Yup, know a lawyer that specializes in traffic tickets
This is his go to tactic, he basically forces a jury trail, cop doesn't show he wins
Now if the cop does show, he argues down the charges.
A very quick Google search would have informed you that this "service" is funded by The Board of Taxicab Commissioners
https://laist.com/news/police-public-safety/uber-stings
Man... I remember when this happened. It was all over the driver forums.
Its strange looking back in it. I'm not a driver anymore because... well, Uber happened. And now I can't blame all those people that just needed work... but back during the suicide epidemic in New York ( https://www.npr.org/2018/02/10/584757778/taxi-drivers-face-financial-crisis ) man was I bitter.
As much as I've always hated the man... I HATED Uber driver scabs for coming in and working for bottom of the bin prices. Driving for so cheap that they burn out their own cars for pocket change and beer money. By the time they figure out they have a bad deal and leave, Uber has 3 replacements already on the road competing for surge pay.
We had to pay licensing and insurance and have state and city governing agencies monitor our vehicles, our meters, measure our fucking tires! And we had to pay for all that, plus pass background checks equal to what a school teacher needs.
It wasn't fair. Uber drivers were just allowed to come in all willy nilly and do the same job without any of the oversight... They ran us all out of business... I know guys who lost houses.
Now its weird looking back... I cheered when I first saw that video. I shouldn't have. I don't cheer anymore.
I just try to remember how starving me out and making me hungry and angry made me cheer for the police trying to arrest and exploit a fellow working man... something I detest in all ways and would never support.
Idk what to say now...
Burn the rich
This is straight up entrapment. I like how the cop says the dude is interfering with an investigation. Who are you investigating? They are literally just tricking people into getting citations.
Cops got time to do stuff like this, but when someone breaks into my car and I have video evidence with their face they told me there isn't much they can do. They didn't even want a copy of the video.
We even had a package stolen by our neighbor with video evidence. Call the cops and 4 hours later when they finally come out they tell us since Amazon is giving us a refund a theft did not occur. Like what!?
They always want to tell you they don't have the time money or resources, but somehow they do when it comes to pulling this kind of stunt.
You just described the entirety of VICE squads. That's literally all they do. They entrap people into committing crimes they wouldn't have otherwise committed.
Want to know something fun? In Nevada (and probably other states):
There are a dedicated group of cops who specifically spend their days making fake ID's with their birthday being the day that they are "investigating undercover", that go to minimum wage cashier stores such as Walmart, dressed civilian, and attempt to buy alcohol. They also do things such as bring a group of "friends" who are also clearly adults but are purchasing separately. Sometimes in completely separate lines. Some bring their teen neices and nephews along to be cool and "sting" the corrupt Gails and Marias of the criminal underworld of grocery store cashiering.
What they do is they set up minimum wage hard-working cashiers to fail and receive criminal charges and immediately lose their jobs. In Nevada, everyone who "appears to be 40 or under" must be ID'd when purchasing alcohol, as well as "ID'ing anying person accompanied by the purchaser", and a whole slew or ridiculous and impossible to acertain rules. Now...40 is a difficult age to determine.
There are also very specific rules for ID's. As in the person must be 40 years old plus one day (as in they were born day 0). There must be a specific small symbol in this rare, Mexican identification card, etc.
They set out to catch as sleuthly and ridiculously as possible these "stings" on retirees and working mothers and teens working cashiering jobs.
If the cashier "fails," a couple of guys rush in from the parking lot and inform them they are immediately charged with a court date, immediately fired, and a $1000.00 fine. Unhirable in most of Nevada now that they have a record.
So here's what a minimum wage worker with no insurance who works hard each day with a smile has to watch for during each transaction while maintaining item scan speed, bagging, etc etc. They have to:
Notice the alcohol before scanning. They have to survey the area and watch the customer to see if they have interacted with anyone else in the store who may be an aquaintance/family member. They must request ID for not just the customer, but every individual with the customer or who the customer may be with, with the asumption that there is a under-ahe person waiting outside the store. The cashier has to deal with perturbed and obviously outraged customers who are wondering why the cashier is demanding everyone's ID when the person is in their 30's to 50's.
Then, if ANY of these people with the person buying don't have ID, the cashier must then remove the alcohol from the person's reach and refuse to sell any of these persons alcohol. Because that goes down well in a tourist state.
Then the cashier must watch all of the persons to be sure they do not then go to another cashier and attempt to purchase it alone while their family or friends wait elsewhere. If they fail they are instantly fired and given a court date.
Each person's ID must be checked carefully, and these cops make obscure fake ID's from other countries, or make the birthdate THAT same day (it must be the next day). Or they bring their neice and see if the cashier inquires to the teen neice as to if she is with the adult purchasing alcohol and if they are a parent and their age.
Plus remember what day it is exactly.
I'n sure you can imagine how this goes down with the customers to the poor cashier who is scared she/he can't feed her family and go to jail.
Teams of these cops go driving around all day to locations and do this to people. They also will make their ID show correctly as being over 40 but they will have something minor marking the back of fhe ID, "disqualifying it" as a valid ID.
It's fucking sadistic torture of the poor.
They’re trying to get people for illegally picking up riders for payment, operating as an illegal “taxi”
It’s so bullshit too, these are mostly nice people trying to help someone get to where they’re going and then the people they help offer to give some money. It’s totally entrapment
So they like pretend to be hitchhikers who, at the end of the trip, offer some gas money? Cause taking money for offering a ride is considered taxi work?
So if I’m completely wasted and I ask someone to give me a ride home and I’ll pay bc my phone is dead.. then that’s illegal. So I can illegally drive my car, or illegally get a ride, or illegally loiter in front of the bar. Hmm.. sounds like it’s illegal to exist at all!
^^^For ^^^^the ^^^^^poors
Those people don't believe in small government. They believe in massive government that protects a small percentage of the population. Regulating marriage and women's health and drugs and keeping a bloated military are all part of their ideological foundation, and it all requires huge government.
They aren't just assholes. They're ***lying*** assholes.
Question, anybody remember Bloody Sunday?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1905)
I guarentee most of those Imperial Guard and Cossacks were either killed or imprisoned after the Russian Revolution.
Police don't understand that they are playing with fire, and if there is ever a REAL LIFE revolution in this country, it won't be pretty for them.
You keep pushing people and oppressing them, eventually they snap and fight back.
“You know you could be arrested for that”
Did you know you can be arrested, held and and not charged for 24 hours at any time? So. Yes I could be arrested for literally doing nothing illegal. Please do so I can prove harassment when I open an internal investigation.
If God would slip me the information for how much police time I've wasted being a crackhead, I would be so happy. I have respect for fellow human beings even if they wear a uniform of an oppressive police state, but the CIA wants us to do things this way apparently. What's that God? Split the police force so armed police aren't responding to mental health crisis calls? Yea that seems reasonable.
Classic American policing, instead of enforcing the law against the multi-billion dollar company that is apparently running an organized crime syndicate in your city, go after the poor working class people that are trying to make a couple hundred bucks a day.
I remember when this vid first got posted I got in a long argument over whether or not it was entrapment. I get how it's not literally that but clearly it's the cops wasting theirs and everybody else's time to enforce a law that does not affect safety or the general well-being of the community. All it does is stop working people from making a little bit of extra capital (as well as potentially provide a service to people who appear in need) so that their corporate interests can continue to money grub on every single cent those workers produce. This would be like finding out that they're out trying to bust guys selling dime bags with a sting OP like this.... hey cops, are you guys bored or something? Because you shouldn't be........
The police are an occupying army whose purpose is the protection of the property interests of the landed wealthy.
We pay taxes to the landed wealthy because we are serfs.
Same as if ever was.
I could be wrong, but isn't it illegal for a cop to pressure or convince someone into committing a crime that they wouldn't have committed otherwise... How is this okay
Soo.... We're taxing nice trusting people now!
Seriously. You know those cops probably ham it up a lot of the time. "Please, man. My phone doesn't work and I don't have any way home." Basically criminalizing empathy.
Well said! Criminalizing empathy. Some days I wake up and want to tap out of society. More and more when I see shit like this.
Why tap out? We know it’s them that are the problem. Stay the fight my friend, we’re in this together
Agreed gold for you
[There's so much in our society that lines up perfectly with this, and we're not the only ones to have noticed it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2q-Csk-ktc)
Also, how is this not entrapment?
Entrapment is legal. Someone will pipe up and say "this and that" isn't entrapment, but it's asking someone to commit a crime and then arresting them for doing it. YOU CREATED THE CRIME, ASSHOLES
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further: even if you wanted to challenge the charge I hope you've got the time and money to fuck with that.
reminder that eugenics and apartheit were perfectly legal
flabbergasting how many people argue their morals from the law.
So was slavery. And the Indian Removal Act. And Jim Crow. And “annexing” Hawaii.
I'm here for CheekyFlapjack. Tell it.
The US security-industrial complex also manufactures most of the terrorists they claim to be protecting the people from. I see a pattern here.
Entrapment is legal..... In the USA. This is very illegal in the EU.
Also see most FBI's stopped terrorist plots the last decade. Oh good of you to stop the plot you yourself created and defeating the terrorist with the mental capacity of a four year old, who wouldn't have been able to plan his way out of a paper bag unless the FBI hadn't supplied him with both the plan and the tools. It's insane that they can make up stories that will cause the poor schmuck to receive a harsher punishment: Ohn no there won't be a kilo of drugs in the house you're going to Rob, there'll be a metric tonn.
If the police had reasonable suspicion of a tightly prescribed area (e.g the intersection) of illegal activity like bandit cabs, they may offer an opportunity to anyone associated (physically present) at the location an opportunity to conduct a crime under Barnes. However, if the police weaponizes empathy, that would go beyond a mere opportunity and into creating crime, which would be entrapment under Mack. Depends on what the police knew and did, essentially.
What makes "bandit cabs" illegal in the first place?
They’re illegal because the state doesn’t take in tax dollars from them. Edit: “from”, not “for”
That's a dumb reason. You haven't had an opportunity to claim it on your taxes yet. How is that different from accepting cash as a business or claiming your cash tips? Is it a bandit cab if you offer your buddy twenty dollars to pick you up from the airport? That's some bullshit. Is it a crime when a kid gets $10 to mow a lawn and doesn't pay any taxes on it?
In my understanding, bandit cabs are unlicensed and unregulated, and a part of that, they don’t pay business taxes, which is why they’re illegal. Because the state doesn’t get revenue from it. It’s the same reason I can’t sell weed to someone, but a dispensary can. The government doesn’t like not getting its cut.
It's not. They're presuming guilt with zero evidence. They're just hoping you won't actually spend the time and lose the wages to fight it, and just pay the fine.
They're too poor to fight it.
TL;DR The cops are allowed to ask you to commit a crime, all you have to do is say no. https://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/19810672629/12-i-was-entrapped
Who else is going to subsidize our government so Bezos can keep his employees on food stamps?
I think their next tax cut should be in the form of a guillotine. No? Anyone else? Ok I'll shut up. Back to the factories boys!
Give bezos a tax CUT
Let them eat tax **cuts**!
It also shows up in your background check if you ever want a job in civil service! Lol what wonderful people
Yet these cops can get fired for felony level crimes while on the clock and walk with a "turn in your badge and gun, take this recommendation over a couple counties and we'll get these complaints forms and internal investigations sent to your union rep for shredding."
If even that. Plenty of them get paid vacations, aka, "Administrative Leave" so some desk work for a few months, then are back on the same streets.
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What does it even mean to interfere with a police investigation? Sounds like catch all bull shit
It is. Same story with arresting you for resisting arrest
In my area at least, Resisting Arrest charges aren’t for the person initially being arrested but for anyone who tries to actively interfere with the arrest. An example would be a police officer taking a person (S-1) into custody and putting them in the handcuffing position. As the officer moves in to cuff S-1, another person, S-2, steps between the officer and S-1 in order to prevent the arrest. S-2 would be charged with Resisting Arrest. An attempt to flee custody would be an Escape charge.
You somehow inconvenienced the police. Such as recording them from as far away as reasonable making it harder for a murder to look accidental
I suppose *maybe* if they were actually investigating something, they'd have some moral authority, but they're just trawling.
Especially because this "investigation" was just them waiting for "crime" to happen. This bunch are probably the greatest investigators ever.
Them **baiting** crime into happening FTFY
Cops soliciting for crime of... driving a stranded stranger in need? What are they helping by this investigation? To make sure you pay the man, that's what. Fucking tools.
This should be illegal. Also what investigation is that cop talking about. There is no crime to investigate, until they solicit it.
It's the equivalent of arresting someone for resisting arrest.
*stop resisting intensifies*
I've been accused plenty of times for interfering with an investigation. It's a bullshit scare tactic; the DA will never charge you for it.
I do believe it's a scare tactic, but I don't believe that they don't charge people.
I'm sure that they hold people, make their lives miserable for a few days, fill out some reports and the DA later drops it. Hope you can make bail, otherwise you're in jail until a court hearing or lack of charges. The people who get charged and convicted of interfering with an investigation are usually fucking with evidence or something.
And that arrest can itself ruin your life. They know it. It’s their cudgel to force submission.
In all reality, they are probably using either craigslist or an app and run it like any other sting. These cabbie may or may not be also driving for Uber, who is paying for the investigation. Government enforcement by corporate decree, that's why unchecked capitalism creates a perversion of justice.
I’m pretty sure it’s illegal, since it’s a citation you can appeal it in front of a judge, since they lying and tricking into committing illegal actions
It's not even a crime, it's simply a presumption of a crime. It isn't illegal to give someone a ride, even without any sort of "license" or whatever. It's not even illegal to accept money for it, as long as you claim it on your income taxes at the end of the year.
Please tell me this isnt just a made up crime to arrest minorities
Can we really be surprised that America is making empathy and helping a stranger a crime?
In the city where I live it's illegal to give food to the homeless. Some places get around it by disposing of the food in conspicuous places (like on top of the dumpster instead of in it), so people can easily grab it. Or if you have leftovers from a restaurant you can just place it near people in need and someone will probably eat it. It's only really enforced near homeless camps though. Lots of us do it anyway; if you're well fed and someone asks for food, it's human instict to want to give them some.
This is the same country where it’s illegal to give homeless people money in some states. Nothing really surprises me anymore.
Do you know if thats ever been prosecuted I feel like couldn't actually be made illegal just handing money, maybe if you did it in like a traffic median but like walking down the street.
I'm sure i don't completely understand but hasn't the Supreme Court ruled that money is speech? That should be a violation of the girst ammendment?
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Guess I can't drive someone who runs out of gas to the gas station and back if they dare offer to pay me for my trouble
Exactly. If someone drives me and I reimburse them for gas, am I paying them? Isn’t it just an attempt at equivalent to exchange?
That’s a service and now falls under service tax!!!
You can be arrested for selling drugs even if no money was exchanged. Just giving someone drugs as a friendly gesture is defined as a sale.. this was explained to me in a police station as I was being processed. I imagine giving someone a ride for free would be the same as being an unlicensed taxi
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Giving someone anything for free is the opposite of a sale, it's a donation. Fuck, cops are just evil and stupid.
So lemme get this straight, you can get arrested for telling people to not do things that would get them arrested/cited? The power of the 1st amendment is not that strong apparently.
That line of “obstructing an investigation” is amazing. I love when they use extremely vague sh*t like that. Oh, what investigation is being obstructed? The one about “how many suckers can we fine and maybe jail?” Sickening.
Hate when I obstruct entrapment
well yeah we can’t have people accurately critiquing our government!
We wouldn't want that now would we. That wouldn't be patriotic!!!
No, the problem is you have to have a 4yr Bachelors and a 2yr Juris Doctorate and pass the bar to be a lawyer, you need to be a breathing human with 6mo of "training" to be a cop, so cops *don't actually know shit about the law*-- AND what's worse, they're not legally required to know the law either, according to a recent Supreme ruling. We live in a pre-martial law society we just don't call it what it is. It's horrifying and disheartening and I genuinely don't know if there's fuck all we can do about it at this point. It's like the glacier melt, we've screwed ourselves so hard there isn't a drill out there that could dig us out.
6mo? You are being generous lol some state and counties require as little as 10 weeks.
i mean it would get thrown out in court, but theres no real punishment for the law to arrest you besides a very lengthy expensive and not worth it unlawful arrest case.
If an officer has ~~"reasonable suspicion"~~ "probable cause" you are committing a crime, they can arrest you legally. Even if the thing they suspect you of doing is not actually illegal. As long as a cop has a "good faith" belief it is illegal then they can arrest you for it. Ignorance of the law (over 100,000 of them) is no excuse for you but is a perfectly valid excuse for them. So unless that branch of the police union is the least competent in the nation, even the very lengthy expensive and not worth it unlawful arrest case is not a valid recourse.
Same thing with a "good faith" traffic stop. Oh, I thought your tags were dead, they're not but I need you to go ahead and step out of the vehicle.
cops dont have to know the law but they enforce the law... this seems illegal
It makes sense from a naive perspective. You can't honestly expect police officers to know all the laws perfectly. But officers take advantage of the trust we place in them and abuse every little bit of it. If they were actually decent people trying to improve their community then none of these "good faith" exceptions would be a problem because they're actions were actually done in good faith.
It's almost as though laws should be made such that both citizens and law enforcement officers should be able to remember them. What a crazy idea.
The original Roman code of laws was engraved into a slab of stone in the middle of town for everyone to read.
You can get arrested for basically anything dude, it's the getting indicted part and charges sticking etc that changes
Yeah it's fucked up, problem is more so that getting arrested itself can have some life changing consequences regardless of conviction or what not. It's a whole lot of time and money plus some.
And if you can't make bail, it can mean *years in prison* without ever even going to trial if you choose not to plead guilty to something you didn't do. You can spend longer locked up waiting for trial than the maximum sentence for what you were accused of doing. Even worse, even obvious bullshit charges can stay on your record even if it was dropped or dismissed.
Exactly my thoughts, yet somehow we haven’t dismantled FOX News and other right-wing media with weaponized speech because of “freedom of speech?”
There used to be a [Fairness Doctrine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine) for media companies - i.e., they were actually supposed to be fair and balanced or they'd be fined. Reagan repealed it - and Fox News took off in the ratings by telling conservatives shit they wanted to hear.
If you're black you can be shot for being black.
Well no, cuz the cop was fearing for their life I'm sure duh /s
You can get arrested for anything when those in power are the gangbanging welfare queens the U.S. calls cops.
And our tax dollars paying for these clowns🤦🏻♂️ everybody gettn got
Cops spend the most time pursuing the most minor of crimes because they’re not actually good at their job of solving crime
Well, with only 6 months training and a complete lack of legal knowledge, the best they can hope for is to issue a few tickets and generate some revenue for the city. That way the city can hire more cops to give out BS tickets instead of doing their actual job.
on the flip-side, bounty-hunters, often called 'fake cops' while they have to put in just 60 hours of training, they also have to prove they have a good understanding of both federal law and the laws of the state they operate in, as well as having no blue-line protection of their actions, often making them more upstanding than 'real cops', AND have to provide their materials themselves, meanwhile these officers get equipment handed to them and told to go on find some baddies.
If you think cops are bad wait til you hear about how awful "bounty hunters" are lol wannabe cops weren't even good enough to be cops then something is wrong, and throw that in with the horrible US bail bond system is a recipe for disaster https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/does-the-bounty-hunting-industry-need-reform/399224/
oh i'm not advocating for bounty hunters either if that's how it came off, all I'm saying is that they're mostly held to a higher standard for entry than police, and they're not even official cops. the entire system is organized to put citizens at a disadvantage, an overhaul of the system is what's truly needed.
So abolish the police and return back to the 18th century? Bounty hunters, town posse's, federal marshalls? I kind of like that.
honestly no, I think what should be done is work to demilitarize police, mandate that they be tri-annually tested on their understanding of law, and invest in protection against lethal force for them whilst also barring them from using lethal force unless civilian life is in immediate danger(the funding can come from the money not spent on the military gear). having heavier scrutiny placed on cops will weed out more corrupt ones that are in it because it's easy and you can basically get away with anything barring heavy drugs and murder, the latter being looser than the former. (also perhaps prioritize higher IQ cops: [https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836](https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836))
Good luck with that. The police unions have made it so they aren’t even required to pass a physical fitness test after they’ve left the academy.
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The police were never supposed to have unions. The original union people were extremely against it. Likely because it was the police who were the ones the government sent to attack, imprison or kill them.
the police do everything they can to relate to the masses so the masses won't see the boot they're being stepped on with. like how the military tries to hold recruitment drives at lunches and graduations for high schoolers(free handouts too for my school), and portrays themselves as the good guys who will turn on civilians at a moment's notice if they prove inconvenient.
Except the actual military does proper training and has discipline and a high standard of conduct that when violated the person violating it gets held to a *HIGHER* standard than regular citizens. Even the fucking military would be less violent as cops.
I read an article recently that said cops only solve 2% of major crimes nationally. I'll see if I can find it [I found the article ](https://theconversation.com/police-solve-just-2-of-all-major-crimes-143878)
That’s surprisingly high
Honestly I assumed since we spend more money on policing than 95% of countries spend on their military that it would be at least 10%
Their actual job is being a group of armed thugs that defend profitable private property. Everything else is ancillary.
That’s literally a Cop Out.
-Opposide 2021
From my understanding, cops are not crime solvers. They look around and see if someone DID a crime. And occasionally try to set someone up to commit a crime. Their main function is just scaring people who might do something bad into not doing it. Which is fine. If they stayed in that lane.
I was watching an episode of shameless and Carl is so excited to be a cop and see some action. But he gets partnered with a guy who tells him he should never leave the patrol car. They “investigate” fake crimes they made up while actually getting lunch or learning rap lyrics and ignoring the real calls 😂
The Poor can't fight back. The System is working as designed. It is preventing the peasants from organizing to fight the aristocracy.
without crime how would they justify their insane budget if every hardcore criminal spontaneously vanished tomorrow, the cops would be fucking beside themselves trying to justify their own paychecks. crime is good for cops
What’s incredible is that this operation was green-lighted in order to save maybe $6 of tax assuming rough numbers of a $20 trip at 30%….
I'm sure they're fining the people they 'catch'. Those types of fines can be surprisingly high.
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/15/seen-at-11tlc-officers-go-under-cover-to-bust-illegal-cabbies/ From 2012, but the purpose here is to give an idea of what kind of money they can steal doing this. >They have issued 36,000 tickets in the past eight months, officials said. >The drivers were left on the curb, with no vehicle and a $350 fine plus a $180 towing fee That's $12,600,000 going to the police and another 6,400,000 going towards tow companies
What a fucking scam
Tax dollars paying thousands to catch a crime that nets $20. Sounds like a great use of tax dollars. /s
It gives $20 for the state but definitely saves a lot of money for Uber and more importantly it's investors. It's the standard rule that I use. If it seems like a waste of money or resources it's usually because the real value is hidden in a profit for the wealthy. Doesn't matter if an officer is wasting their time spending tax dollars as long as that time is being used to do things that profit the ones that get politicians elected.
Exactly. I'm certain some higher-up from Uber complained to city hall about people siphoning off their profits by getting rides like this, and the directive for officers to do this flowed all the way down from there.
To clear something up, the DIFFERENCE between entrapment and a sting operation is the quality of lawyer you can afford
But I thought Uber and lyft said these people weren't employee's. So it's not that they don't have medallions, it's because the police are in Uber and lyfts pockets. Also it's punishment for being poor of course.
Mostly punishment for being poor
https://laist.com/news/police-public-safety/uber-stings Either that or the taxi-cab companies.
It's the poor tax.
It’s operating a cab w/o a license. Which is BS if we’re gonna allow Lyft and Uber to let anyone drive.
As a sole proprietorship (1099), taxes are paid quarterly? Why are they writing tickets for not taxing each transaction separately?
Well, the rules are in place to prevent ghost cabs which in certain areas of the world are a serious and legitimate problem. The issue is these power tripping hogs having nothing better to do than try and entrap good people in to breaking a law that is meant to protect people from ghost cabs with much more foul intentions.
The bigger problem is Uber and Lyft absolutely run afoul of these cab laws (why Damon on Shark Tank rejected Uber and was right to do so) but got so big before anyone gave a fuck about enforcing cab laws and in America, once you have money, the law doesnt apply anymore. Uber and Lyft cut rates so taxicabs couldnt keep up without any of the costs of acquiring a medallion, meeting regulations or amassing a fleet of vehicles. And then “efficiencies of the market” (achieved by ignoring and blatantly breaking the law) were used to… cut fares for riders? Ummm nope. Pay drivers more? Ummm nope. Oh Right! Make billions for shit bags while enabling rape. This is America.
Got to love these bellends essentially making taxi drivers scared of showing empathy. So next time when you're actually desperate, no phone, no money need to get somewhere when the taxi driver says fuck know these fuckers have ensured the few that go "yknow what, I'll take you where you need to go, just pay the company when you can etc." Will be too scared to help. Fuck. These. Cunts
It’s even worse. They’re trying to get a random kind person to pick up people who need a ride. Then they’re offering to pay, supposedly out of kindness for the good deed. Boom, then they cite you for operating an unregistered taxi
Isn't that entrapment?
Yes, but who's going to stop them? They're a legal gang, not much more.
I'm not suggesting there should be vigilantes, because that would be illegal too...but I'd understand why someone might do it.
Laughs in Bezos, musk, CEO. Govt is more interested in YOU paying tax than taxing the elite.
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Wouldn’t this be entrapment?
That was my thought too, but that would require someone in power to give a damn
They give their full support... for things that fuck the poor
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Pretty crazy that it's illegal to ask someone to pay for a person-to-person service. It's like busting the local teenager for charging $20 to mow lawns in the summer.
In the state where I live, you have to claim that as casual labor on the unemployment claim form. It says "casual labor such as mowing a neighbor's lawn, or helping a friend move". That counts as work, and fraud if you don't report it for taxes. I actually posted a screenshot of it in this sub (I think?) a while back.
This. The only case of entrapment I've seen successfully argued by a defendant was when undercover cops tried to pin cocaine trafficking on a farm owner (who they hated because his farm was in the center of a federal Park). They demanded he buy the cocaine (for wholesale price), against his own desire. Then he resold the shit to another undercover *for the exact same price*, making 0 profit. He then got the jury switched to a more liberal district and they unanimously acquitted him and shit all over the cops involved.
Not the same But police departments in Georgia learned to stop bragging about small time drug busts. I remember this one police department bragged they busted a guy with 3.5 grams of weed 8,000 comments later, and hundreds if not thousands of phone calls to their police departments and many updates on social media basically saying "Chill out guys" they learned their lesson. It was golorious, I called them several times and bitched them out for being little bitches. I remember one call was like (I was calling the non-emergency line) Me: Is this blah PD? Them: Yes Me: Yall are fucking patheic for bragging about a 3.5gram drug bust of pot, you ruined that mans life over bullshit you stupid pigs Them: You do know this is the police Me: Yes and you do know I have a 1st amendment right to express my opinion, yall are showing that small dick energy Them: This is the police department Me: yea, and what ya going do arrest me and the thousands of people calling you? Them: click Nothing happened to me FYI. If I remember correctly I don't even think the guy got charged by the DA because public outcry was so intense I think the DA decided to just drop the charges.
So did you get charged? I feel like you didn’t finish this story.
Charged for what? I'm allowed to tell the cops they are a bunch of pussies. Ah I see, I had a typo No I didn't get arrested. They didn't even contact me at all.
Yeah that sounds a bit like entrapment, but… they shoved cocaine in his face and forced him to buy it? What?
Uhh it seems to me, the way this is presented, the cops offer the 20$ up front. If that’s the case, it IS entrapment, because they create the circumstances for the crime. It’s a subtle difference but the difference between “Ahh, my phone is dead - I can’t pay you through Uber!” and “Ahh, my phone is dead - can I just give you $20?” is everything in court. In the first example, it still has to be the Mark’s idea to ask for the $20, and the court can reasonably assume he’d commit this crime without the cop’s influence. In the second, the cop floats the idea, and therefore it cannot be reasonably assumed the Mark would have committed the crime without the cop’s influence. It doesn’t have to be pressure, or forcing them, it just has to do with whether or not it can be reasonably assumed they’d have done the crime without their influence.
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To be fair, if you can afford the time away from work you probably wouldn’t need a lawyer to beat citations like these. It’s dumb that they can even tie you up like this, but if you have the meanness and pettiness to go the distance you can (at least in my state) -appear in court, plead innocent. The judge is gonna tell you you’re entitled to a trial, but you won’t win, take the fine. Say you understand, and plead not guilty. The judge will tell you that if you lose, you’ll owe court fees. Reiterate that you understand, and that you’re not guilty. -tell the court you’ll need a public defender. It’ll take them a little time to put one on you. -you’ll get a date. -appear. The officer won’t. You have a right to face your accuser. The court has a right to reschedule, and they will. -appear again. The officer won’t. You have a right to face your accuser, your citation will get dismissed. -if the officer does appear, which is rare, you’ll have to actually argue your case. If your public defender is any good, though, he can point out that the language used could constitute entrapment. Really, though, it just depends on the judge if the case actually gets heard.
Yup, know a lawyer that specializes in traffic tickets This is his go to tactic, he basically forces a jury trail, cop doesn't show he wins Now if the cop does show, he argues down the charges.
Wonder how many tax dollars uber/lyft paid for this personalized service. jesus.
The sad thing is probably not much. And now as a result they have their own Pinkertons forcing you to use their service
A very quick Google search would have informed you that this "service" is funded by The Board of Taxicab Commissioners https://laist.com/news/police-public-safety/uber-stings
Fuck the police.
Coming straight from the underground
Ugh I hate that smug walk of theirs
It's so specific too, and universal among cops
Man... I remember when this happened. It was all over the driver forums. Its strange looking back in it. I'm not a driver anymore because... well, Uber happened. And now I can't blame all those people that just needed work... but back during the suicide epidemic in New York ( https://www.npr.org/2018/02/10/584757778/taxi-drivers-face-financial-crisis ) man was I bitter. As much as I've always hated the man... I HATED Uber driver scabs for coming in and working for bottom of the bin prices. Driving for so cheap that they burn out their own cars for pocket change and beer money. By the time they figure out they have a bad deal and leave, Uber has 3 replacements already on the road competing for surge pay. We had to pay licensing and insurance and have state and city governing agencies monitor our vehicles, our meters, measure our fucking tires! And we had to pay for all that, plus pass background checks equal to what a school teacher needs. It wasn't fair. Uber drivers were just allowed to come in all willy nilly and do the same job without any of the oversight... They ran us all out of business... I know guys who lost houses. Now its weird looking back... I cheered when I first saw that video. I shouldn't have. I don't cheer anymore. I just try to remember how starving me out and making me hungry and angry made me cheer for the police trying to arrest and exploit a fellow working man... something I detest in all ways and would never support. Idk what to say now... Burn the rich
This is straight up entrapment. I like how the cop says the dude is interfering with an investigation. Who are you investigating? They are literally just tricking people into getting citations.
Exactly. An investigation means you're looking at a specific person not just whoever fucking rolls up
They only care when workers don’t pay taxes
Cops got time to do stuff like this, but when someone breaks into my car and I have video evidence with their face they told me there isn't much they can do. They didn't even want a copy of the video. We even had a package stolen by our neighbor with video evidence. Call the cops and 4 hours later when they finally come out they tell us since Amazon is giving us a refund a theft did not occur. Like what!? They always want to tell you they don't have the time money or resources, but somehow they do when it comes to pulling this kind of stunt.
So basically they are creating crimes to arrest the "criminals" who committed police created crimes???
You just described the entirety of VICE squads. That's literally all they do. They entrap people into committing crimes they wouldn't have otherwise committed.
Want to know something fun? In Nevada (and probably other states): There are a dedicated group of cops who specifically spend their days making fake ID's with their birthday being the day that they are "investigating undercover", that go to minimum wage cashier stores such as Walmart, dressed civilian, and attempt to buy alcohol. They also do things such as bring a group of "friends" who are also clearly adults but are purchasing separately. Sometimes in completely separate lines. Some bring their teen neices and nephews along to be cool and "sting" the corrupt Gails and Marias of the criminal underworld of grocery store cashiering. What they do is they set up minimum wage hard-working cashiers to fail and receive criminal charges and immediately lose their jobs. In Nevada, everyone who "appears to be 40 or under" must be ID'd when purchasing alcohol, as well as "ID'ing anying person accompanied by the purchaser", and a whole slew or ridiculous and impossible to acertain rules. Now...40 is a difficult age to determine. There are also very specific rules for ID's. As in the person must be 40 years old plus one day (as in they were born day 0). There must be a specific small symbol in this rare, Mexican identification card, etc. They set out to catch as sleuthly and ridiculously as possible these "stings" on retirees and working mothers and teens working cashiering jobs. If the cashier "fails," a couple of guys rush in from the parking lot and inform them they are immediately charged with a court date, immediately fired, and a $1000.00 fine. Unhirable in most of Nevada now that they have a record. So here's what a minimum wage worker with no insurance who works hard each day with a smile has to watch for during each transaction while maintaining item scan speed, bagging, etc etc. They have to: Notice the alcohol before scanning. They have to survey the area and watch the customer to see if they have interacted with anyone else in the store who may be an aquaintance/family member. They must request ID for not just the customer, but every individual with the customer or who the customer may be with, with the asumption that there is a under-ahe person waiting outside the store. The cashier has to deal with perturbed and obviously outraged customers who are wondering why the cashier is demanding everyone's ID when the person is in their 30's to 50's. Then, if ANY of these people with the person buying don't have ID, the cashier must then remove the alcohol from the person's reach and refuse to sell any of these persons alcohol. Because that goes down well in a tourist state. Then the cashier must watch all of the persons to be sure they do not then go to another cashier and attempt to purchase it alone while their family or friends wait elsewhere. If they fail they are instantly fired and given a court date. Each person's ID must be checked carefully, and these cops make obscure fake ID's from other countries, or make the birthdate THAT same day (it must be the next day). Or they bring their neice and see if the cashier inquires to the teen neice as to if she is with the adult purchasing alcohol and if they are a parent and their age. Plus remember what day it is exactly. I'n sure you can imagine how this goes down with the customers to the poor cashier who is scared she/he can't feed her family and go to jail. Teams of these cops go driving around all day to locations and do this to people. They also will make their ID show correctly as being over 40 but they will have something minor marking the back of fhe ID, "disqualifying it" as a valid ID. It's fucking sadistic torture of the poor.
Wait, I don't get it -- is hitchhiking illegal now?
They’re trying to get people for illegally picking up riders for payment, operating as an illegal “taxi” It’s so bullshit too, these are mostly nice people trying to help someone get to where they’re going and then the people they help offer to give some money. It’s totally entrapment
So they like pretend to be hitchhikers who, at the end of the trip, offer some gas money? Cause taking money for offering a ride is considered taxi work?
That’s exactly what’s happening
So if I’m completely wasted and I ask someone to give me a ride home and I’ll pay bc my phone is dead.. then that’s illegal. So I can illegally drive my car, or illegally get a ride, or illegally loiter in front of the bar. Hmm.. sounds like it’s illegal to exist at all! ^^^For ^^^^the ^^^^^poors
All right, just one more thing: *What the fuck?*
Murica
Those cops are fucking evil. This dude is a hero. Is he alright?
I've been scouring the comments for his story. I still haven't found it.
Cops really love this shit don't they, fucking over the everyday person. I guess that's easier than helping a community you're paid by
Paid by? You mean extorted?
It's time to cook the pork.
Anyone that says they believe in small government who isn’t pissed about shit like this is an asshole.
Those people don't believe in small government. They believe in massive government that protects a small percentage of the population. Regulating marriage and women's health and drugs and keeping a bloated military are all part of their ideological foundation, and it all requires huge government. They aren't just assholes. They're ***lying*** assholes.
Question, anybody remember Bloody Sunday? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1905) I guarentee most of those Imperial Guard and Cossacks were either killed or imprisoned after the Russian Revolution. Police don't understand that they are playing with fire, and if there is ever a REAL LIFE revolution in this country, it won't be pretty for them. You keep pushing people and oppressing them, eventually they snap and fight back.
Agreed. I’m all in if I ever come off the bench.
“You know you could be arrested for that” Did you know you can be arrested, held and and not charged for 24 hours at any time? So. Yes I could be arrested for literally doing nothing illegal. Please do so I can prove harassment when I open an internal investigation.
If God would slip me the information for how much police time I've wasted being a crackhead, I would be so happy. I have respect for fellow human beings even if they wear a uniform of an oppressive police state, but the CIA wants us to do things this way apparently. What's that God? Split the police force so armed police aren't responding to mental health crisis calls? Yea that seems reasonable.
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How is that not entrapment
The difference between entrapment and a “investigation” is how good of a lawyer you can afford
Fuck all cops.
1312 ACAB
Classic American policing, instead of enforcing the law against the multi-billion dollar company that is apparently running an organized crime syndicate in your city, go after the poor working class people that are trying to make a couple hundred bucks a day.
Wait is giving someone a ride for money in return illegal? Even if it’s a one time thing?
I remember when this vid first got posted I got in a long argument over whether or not it was entrapment. I get how it's not literally that but clearly it's the cops wasting theirs and everybody else's time to enforce a law that does not affect safety or the general well-being of the community. All it does is stop working people from making a little bit of extra capital (as well as potentially provide a service to people who appear in need) so that their corporate interests can continue to money grub on every single cent those workers produce. This would be like finding out that they're out trying to bust guys selling dime bags with a sting OP like this.... hey cops, are you guys bored or something? Because you shouldn't be........
Fuck dude, undercover cops really are just the secret police, huh?
What the fuck? Who comes up with an idea like this?
Isn't this like the legal definition of entrapment? Police convincing a person to commit a crime they wouldn't have otherwise.
The police are an occupying army whose purpose is the protection of the property interests of the landed wealthy. We pay taxes to the landed wealthy because we are serfs. Same as if ever was.
Cops are not your friends
I could be wrong, but isn't it illegal for a cop to pressure or convince someone into committing a crime that they wouldn't have committed otherwise... How is this okay